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April 18, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-112
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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According to Zero Hedge, the vast majority of Ukraine’s farm land has been sold to foreign buyers. Posted by: CitizenSmith | Apr 18 2024 14:42 utc | 1 Not sure how much of the Ukrainian farmland is owned by western corporations but as Ukraine will be defeated and Russia will be calling the shots over that farmland then I hope the bean counters at those corporations have made allowance for a 100% loss on the investments. Posted by: Neal | Apr 18 2024 15:08 utc | 2 I recall that after Britain declared war on Nazi Germany in 1939 they refused to bomb German factories that were making war material for the German forces. The reason given was the factories were privately owned industries – that is the wealthy were protected from having their investments damaged even if the products they made were killing British people! Posted by: Bill R | Apr 18 2024 15:33 utc | 3 https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/5107
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Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 18 2024 15:44 utc | 4 Posted by: Neal | Apr 18 2024 15:08 utc | 2 Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 18 2024 15:52 utc | 5 Here is the latest report from Russia MOD from https://t.me/s/ZandVchannel Posted by: ctiger | Apr 18 2024 15:56 utc | 6 @ Posted by: CitizenSmith | Apr 18 2024 14:42 utc | 1 Posted by: ctiger | Apr 18 2024 15:58 utc | 7 Given that the corrupt selling of Ukraine by its politicians constitutes treason, there is a real risk to those politicians that they will experience a summary justice which may prove a prolonged and painful experience; they should leave while they can. Posted by: davekeat@gmail.com | Apr 18 2024 16:07 utc | 8 Praise be! Posted by: FakeBelieve | Apr 18 2024 16:11 utc | 9 https://t.me/bbcrussian/63772 Posted by: Arioch | Apr 18 2024 16:11 utc | 10 https://t.me/sharanism/29295 Posted by: Arioch | Apr 18 2024 16:16 utc | 11 if video in TG has problems, they here lady Ze is at 0:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCuE8cVIuiQ Posted by: Arioch | Apr 18 2024 16:19 utc | 12
https://t.me/rezident_ua/22494 Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2024 16:22 utc | 13
https://t.me/rezident_ua/22497 Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2024 16:26 utc | 14 Down South @ 14 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 18 2024 17:19 utc | 15 Posted by: Neal | Apr 18 2024 15:08 utc | 2 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 18 2024 17:31 utc | 17 Apparently Scholz has said that the EU will use frozen Russian assets to purchase weapons for Ukraine. Posted by: alek_a | Apr 18 2024 17:38 utc | 18 Ukraine and Israel wars are US wars. US has no friends but only enemies. Posted by: AI | Apr 18 2024 17:39 utc | 19 AI @ 19
Soft power is yesterday’s news, the USA is no longer interested in friends any more than the Nazis were, which is telling. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 18 2024 18:02 utc | 20 MiG-29 and S-300 battery targeted with cluster munitions. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 18 2024 18:16 utc | 21 Xi is more than a match for Scholz, an Atlanticist puppet of Washington, the German Chancellor who vehemently backs both the Zionists and their genocide and the Neo-Nazi regime in Ukraine is barking up the wrong tree here with the sly old fox Xi, who has seen it all before. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 18 2024 18:19 utc | 22 Meanwhile Russia loses out again, never trust an insurance company they’ll screw you over. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 18 2024 18:21 utc | 23 There is a bit of a resemblance between Robert Helpmann and *elensky. Posted by: kvp | Apr 18 2024 18:24 utc | 24 The Kit Klarenberg report that they are trying to ban that shows the Pentagon tried its best to bait Russia into conflict with Ukraine. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 18 2024 18:29 utc | 25 Does the FBI have a backdoor into Telegram, and if so what does that mean in real terms with the conflict in Ukraine ongoing. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 18 2024 18:35 utc | 26 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 18 2024 18:21 utc | 23 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 18 2024 18:35 utc | 27 This is part 2 of “Who is Zelensky”: https://twitter.com/Truth_InMedia/status/1780958558512959495 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 18 2024 19:00 utc | 28 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 18 2024 18:21 utc | 23
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 18 2024 19:05 utc | 29 As a result, they argue, “the Explosion Damage was “directly or indirectly occasioned by, happening through, or in consequence of” the conflict between Russia and Ukraine” and falls under an exclusion relating to military conflicts.” Posted by: Naive | Apr 18 2024 19:39 utc | 30 after Britain declared war on Nazi Germany in 1939 they refused to bomb German factories that were making war material Posted by: Passerby | Apr 18 2024 20:51 utc | 31 Comment 1 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Apr 18 2024 20:52 utc | 32 Republicofscotland @ 22
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/109315 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 18 2024 21:09 utc | 33 „Apparently Scholz has said that the EU will use frozen Russian assets to purchase weapons for Ukraine. Posted by: NoName | Apr 18 2024 21:51 utc | 34 It has now been confirmed the US is sending $60 billion in credit for Ukraine. In exchange, Zelensky has promised to ‘capture’ another 300k people, who will be used in a counter-offensive before the US election. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 18 2024 21:54 utc | 35 Long term. Russia returns Novorossiya, plus acquires whatever she wants of “the Ukraine”. U$-EUand vassals[australia claims to have $9b frozen] steal the Russian foreign reserves, nominally $3O0b. Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2024 22:02 utc | 36 Posted by: NoName | Apr 18 2024 21:51 utc | 34 Posted by: alek_a | Apr 18 2024 22:19 utc | 37 As a result, they argue, “the Explosion Damage was “directly or indirectly occasioned by, happening through, or in consequence of” the conflict between Russia and Ukraine” and falls under an exclusion relating to military conflicts.” Posted by: Newbie | Apr 18 2024 22:20 utc | 38
No one is running out of anything. Except brains. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 18 2024 22:35 utc | 39 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 18 2024 22:35 utc | 39 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 18 2024 22:43 utc | 40 SKY NEWS Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 18 2024 23:02 utc | 41 Russia should target Ukraine’s Kremenchuk and Kiev hydro dams. Bust those 2 dams and Ukraine will be weakened. Kiev will be under water and Zeli will have a watery grave. Iskandar M can do it. Posted by: Jason | Apr 18 2024 23:28 utc | 42 RE: Bill R (3) Posted by: Bernard Davis | Apr 18 2024 23:31 utc | 43 Republicofscotland | Apr 18 2024 18:35 utc | 26
Considering the xz-utils backdoor that almost found its way into the major releases of multiple Linux distributions a few weeks ago, I wish his engineer would do all of us IT guys a favor and spill some beans. We could certainly use the help rooting out supply chain attacks. Posted by: Concerned Citizen | Apr 18 2024 23:37 utc | 44 Posted by: Neal | Apr 18 2024 15:08 utc | 2
Any western corporation investing into a region such as Ukraine without comprehensive (possibly undisclosed) insurance from the Western taxpayer is led by suckers. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Apr 19 2024 0:31 utc | 45 RT today — Posted by: Elmagnostic | Apr 19 2024 0:45 utc | 46 The $60B for Ukraine seems a go in the US Congress. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Apr 19 2024 1:00 utc | 47 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 18 2024 21:09 utc | 33 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Apr 19 2024 1:05 utc | 48 Dnipro
Another post is of family mourning loss of their brother aviator, so hit us (somewhat) confirmed. Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 19 2024 2:55 utc | 49 Post 35 states: “ the US is sending $60 billion in credit for Ukraine. In exchange, Zelensky has promised to ‘capture’ another 300k people, who will be used in a counter-offensive before the US election. Posted by: Butte Bill | Apr 19 2024 3:03 utc | 50 The Ukraine has become a complete insane asylum, just like Trans’America and Misery’ael. The Ukraine Verkhovna Rada is more like a Viz Comics free-for-all, with the Johnny Fartypants’s, Buster Gonadses, and no shortage of Fat (and sometimes hot) Slags making the decisions on running the country into oblivion. Deez nutz keep spouting preposterous lies that only a relative few insane’oes believe as they are now cruising in ‘believe our own absurd bullsh’t’ mode. If Charles Dickens were alive today, he would likely move to Ukraine to get some sensational material for five new volumes, starting with ‘Bleak Country’. What is sad, is these daft c’nts continue to sit around and make up absurd lies for the American and European ‘free press’, while doing nothing constructive to save their remaining population from complete annihilation. They seem oblivious that their people are being decimated. Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Apr 19 2024 3:15 utc | 51 Don’t need an account to view:
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https://t.me/RWApodcast/1222 Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 19 2024 3:51 utc | 52 Tu-22M3 bomber crashed on the territory of the Krasnogvardei district in Stavropol, there were no casualties or damage, the pilots ejected – Governor Vladimir Vladimirov. Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 19 2024 4:39 utc | 53 Russian refineries are coming back online. Posted by: Paranaense | Apr 19 2024 4:40 utc | 54 >… Russian refineries are coming back online. Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 19 2024 5:04 utc | 55 At the start of World War 2 (and indeed long before that) there was much debate about aerial bombing and the supposed rules and conditions to be observed by belligerents. There were objections, both private and public, in Britain to the idea of targeting (a) enemy civilians and (b) enemy private property. The idea that a British Government would limit its options by banning either is ludicrous to anyone with the faintest knowledge of British imperial history. These quaint notions (sentimental relics from a bygone age) never quite went away during the war, but Hamburg, Dresden etc show how little they counted when push came to shove. Posted by: MFB | Apr 19 2024 6:01 utc | 56 After Ukraine burns thru Germany’s next lot of Patriots, be interesting to see how many friends Ukraine still has… Posted by: anon | Apr 19 2024 6:31 utc | 57
Posted by: Down South | Apr 19 2024 6:34 utc | 58
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/94871 Posted by: Down South | Apr 19 2024 6:37 utc | 59 From the FT Today : https://www.ft.com/content/d0d50fe0-ab00-4f09-8b86-51c0bc476edb Hedge fund pushes for power firm to be excluded from Ukraine debt deal Posted by: marcjf | Apr 19 2024 7:00 utc | 60 I am baffled that some of you would consider Russia’s losses, such as confiscation of its assets to buy weapons for killing Russians, as victories. Seems like mental gymnastics. Posted by: Ambre | Apr 19 2024 7:01 utc | 61 … I suggest the $300B will handily cover the west’s financial losses. … Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 19 2024 7:23 utc | 62 Posted by: Ambre | Apr 19 2024 7:01 utc | 61 Posted by: knighthawk | Apr 19 2024 7:26 utc | 63
https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1781220334928060578 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 19 2024 7:30 utc | 64 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 19 2024 7:30 utc | 64 Posted by: knighthawk | Apr 19 2024 7:36 utc | 65 @Melaleuca #52
The 5th Tank Brigade in headquartered in Ulan-Ude, the capital of Russia’s Republic of Buryatia. Posted by: S | Apr 19 2024 8:38 utc | 66 “According to Zero Hedge, the vast majority of Ukraine’s farm land has been sold to foreign buyers.” Posted by: Виктор | Apr 19 2024 8:47 utc | 67 Foreign Affairs article on the Istanbul Agreement: Posted by: Wim | Apr 19 2024 8:57 utc | 68 British media is ramping up hype about a supposed assassination attempt on Zelensky. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 19 2024 9:08 utc | 69
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https://t.me/rezident_ua/22503 Posted by: Down South | Apr 19 2024 9:18 utc | 70 @ unimperator | Apr 19 2024 9:08 utc | 69 Posted by: boneless | Apr 19 2024 9:21 utc | 71 Videos in links
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Posted by: Down South | Apr 19 2024 9:33 utc | 73 At the first meeting, the Russians presented a set of harsh conditions, effectively demanding Ukraine’s capitulation. This was a nonstarter. But as Moscow’s position on the battlefield continued to deteriorate, its positions at the negotiating table became less demanding. So on March 3 and March 7, the parties held a second and third round of talks, this time in Kamyanyuki, Belarus, just across the border from Poland. The Ukrainian delegation presented demands of their own: an immediate cease-fire and the establishment of humanitarian corridors that would allow civilians to safely leave the war zone. It was during the third round of talks that the Russians and the Ukrainians appear to have examined drafts for the first time. According to Medinsky, these were Russian drafts, which Medinsky’s delegation brought from Moscow and which probably reflected Moscow’s insistence on Ukraine’s neutral status. Posted by: Micron | Apr 19 2024 10:12 utc | 74
Posted by: Micron | Apr 19 2024 10:12 utc | 74 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 19 2024 11:00 utc | 76 Posted by: Micron | Apr 19 2024 10:12 utc | 74 Posted by: James M. | Apr 19 2024 11:02 utc | 77 “Micron my friend. I’m beginning to think you are nothing more than a troll. I thought you left with your buddy Shadowbanned.” OK, so we can infer from this that you believe Ukraine is winning? Posted by: Micron | Apr 19 2024 11:18 utc | 79 I really do not understand how is Unraine still able to stop Russian attacks. Posted by: vargas | Apr 19 2024 11:18 utc | 80 From the Interwebs commentariat: Posted by: Elmagnostic | Apr 19 2024 11:23 utc | 81 Micron my friend. I’m beginning to think you are nothing more than a troll. I thought you left with your buddy Shadowbanned. Posted by: Micron | Apr 19 2024 11:28 utc | 82 I really do not understand how is Unraine still able to stop Russian attacks. Posted by: Micron | Apr 19 2024 11:29 utc | 83 I really do not understand how is Unraine still able to stop Russian attacks. Posted by: rk | Apr 19 2024 11:42 utc | 84 The only thing Ukraine has going for it are the FPV drones. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 19 2024 11:56 utc | 85 Posted by: Micron | Apr 19 2024 11:18 utc | 80
A record level of invoice generation does not equate to actually delivering cost-effective or functionally-effective weaponry, though if your point here is that the primary aim is to generate revenue rather than military capability then I agree. I actually posted on Andrei M’s blog a couple of weeks ago that I viewed the F-35 as an attempt at “Air Force As A Subscription Service”.
Well, good luck to Serbia, the Rafale remains to be proven against a peer opponent. Wonder what Serbia didn’t like about the F-35?
Disagree here, I would posit that the SMO has exposed serious stresses and strains within NATO, particularly among the European members and it is in Russia’s distinct interests to prolong things to the point where these stresses and strains develop into structural cracks. Naming no names we can also point to a US political faction that is demonstrating increasing exasperation with the European NATO membership. Again time is on Russia’s side here. In its current format NATO is too flabby, too unwieldy and too riven with national domestic political considerations to be effective. Witness the recent French shilly-shallying by your near-namesake. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 19 2024 11:56 utc | 86 British media is ramping up hype about a supposed assassination attempt on Zelensky. Posted by: PalmaSailor | Apr 19 2024 12:12 utc | 87 Posted by: Micron | Apr 19 2024 11:28 utc | 83 Posted by: anonposter | Apr 19 2024 12:14 utc | 88 To call someone a ‘troll’ because they have a unique POV is extremely childish and injures proper discussion. Posted by: James M. | Apr 19 2024 12:24 utc | 89 Mariupol short documentary Posted by: migueljose | Apr 19 2024 12:29 utc | 90 This is particulary naive considering the Minsk-I and II track record. And when I look at the draft agreement of March 22 I don’t really have a good feeling, no ironclad guarantees anywhere. Thank god Boris Johnson put an end to it. Posted by: James M. | Apr 19 2024 12:33 utc | 91 Posted by: anonposter | Apr 19 2024 12:14 utc | 89 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 19 2024 12:36 utc | 92 Moscow did not “shore up its lines”. Moscow simply hastily withdrew as its forces were hopelessly streched and outnumbered. Posted by: James M. | Apr 19 2024 12:41 utc | 93 To the surprise of exactly no one. I mean, you really believe that after fomenting color revolutions since the 90s and funding elites to the tune of billions of dollars, the US would just say “oops. Fooled. Ok, i’ll just write off my 20-years old strategic project Posted by: James M. | Apr 19 2024 12:45 utc | 94 “I call someone trolling who doesn’t take facts into consideration, or offer a substantive counterargument or rebuttal. Micron repeats the same argument over and over and doesn’t engage in substantive debate, that is the definition of trolling. The point of a forum is to facilitate discussion, the free flow of ideas.” Funny, so many people have trolls living rent free in their heads. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 19 2024 12:51 utc | 96 The critical matter is this: Ukraine is defeated and moving towards demographic extinction. The US/EU can command this even if Zelensky is killed. Pick a new puppet, bribe or threaten the Rada, continue the war with no regard for Ukraine lives or future. Since they control Western media, no one will notice or care. Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 19 2024 12:57 utc | 97 Posted by: anonposter | Apr 19 2024 12:14 utc | 89 Posted by: PalmaSailor | Apr 19 2024 12:59 utc | 98 @anonposter #89 (emphasis mine):
This is a new height of lunacy! Turns out, it’s better for Russia to retreat, betraying all the people who believed in Russia, just so that anonposter from the Church of Martyanov feels “right.” Thank God there are “idiots” who think Russia shouldn’t retreat. Posted by: S | Apr 19 2024 13:00 utc | 99 Three Ukrainians swam across the Dnieper and surrendered. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 19 2024 13:01 utc | 100 |
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