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April 14, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-109
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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@ Melaleuca | Apr 15 2024 2:20 utc | 96 Posted by: suzan | Apr 15 2024 3:01 utc | 101 Melaleuca | Apr 15 2024 2:20 utc | 96 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 15 2024 3:10 utc | 102 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 15 2024 2:53 utc | 98 Posted by: watcher | Apr 15 2024 3:13 utc | 103 Below is a current Reuters headline giving some time dimension to the SMO future that sort of fits with my conjecture except I had Ukraine surrender by Orthodox Easter or not later than early August for both Ukraine and Occupied Palestine to resolve. Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 15 2024 3:22 utc | 104 Another seemingly small but significant element of evidence supporting the notion that the war being waged against the Russian Federation by the Western terrorist conglomerate (NATO-US-UK-CIA-MI6-Mossad, plus hangers-on) is curated by Satan-worshipping, Neo-Pharisaic Talmudists who’ve long held control of the respective state apparatuses of government: Posted by: Matthew | Apr 15 2024 3:27 utc | 105 Posted by: Arioch | Apr 14 2024 21:23 utc | 51 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 15 2024 3:51 utc | 106 But I believe he does get direct and speedy reports from fighters on both sides in Russian, and collates them well. So he’s invaluable if you want to know exactly which treeline has just been taken! 🙂 I reckon his viewing cohort is primarily anal pro-Russian warfare gameboys who delight in seeing every little Ukie BMP toasted, PLUS some more mature, big picture folks hoping for overall LOC updates, which might be 10% of each session. Posted by: Honzo | Apr 15 2024 4:35 utc | 107 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 15 2024 0:19 utc | 81 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Apr 15 2024 5:05 utc | 108 @suzan
There’s “names” who are well known for the Maiden “fuk-da-Eu” enterprise. Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 15 2024 5:16 utc | 109 For those musing. MoA barfleas are of various specialisations.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 15 2024 5:40 utc | 110 Below is a current Reuters headline giving some time dimension to the SMO future that sort of fits with my conjecture except I had Ukraine surrender by Orthodox Easter or not later than early August for both Ukraine and Occupied Palestine to resolve. Posted by: James M. | Apr 15 2024 5:48 utc | 111
Posted by: Down South | Apr 15 2024 5:52 utc | 112
https://t.me/the_military_analytics/17878
Posted by: Down South | Apr 15 2024 5:55 utc | 113 Telegram trawl.>… Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 15 2024 6:15 utc | 114 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Apr 15 2024 5:05 utc | 106 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 15 2024 6:26 utc | 115 Russian war correspondent: Zelenskiy is making plans for a “new Bucha” Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 6:38 utc | 116 As the British newspaper The Sun reports, citing Ukrainian officials, Kiev wants to destroy the Crimean bridge by mid-July. Experts interviewed by the newspaper suspect that Kiev could use 20 to 40 “Storm Shadow” missiles to hit the bridge’s roadway, as well as unmanned boats to destroy the supports. The newspaper’s report states: Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 6:41 utc | 117 @ psychohistorian | Apr 15 2024 3:22 utc | 102
It is worth remembering that the West and so-called-ukraine has been “predicting” Russia to do this or capture that before this or that holiday or anniversary. It has never turned out that way. Russia has not once operated their military to an arbitrary or even political schedule so far. Posted by: boneless | Apr 15 2024 6:58 utc | 118 Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 6:41 utc | 115 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 15 2024 7:21 utc | 119 @79 Jake Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 15 2024 7:26 utc | 120 There’s little way Nato could coordinate an attack on the Crimea bridge with 20-40 F-16 with Storm shadows that would originate from Ukrainian bases. Now that is the key question – where were the missiles loaded. Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 7:29 utc | 121 Below is a current Reuters headline giving some time dimension to the SMO future that sort of fits with my conjecture except I had Ukraine surrender by Orthodox Easter or not later than early August for both Ukraine and Occupied Palestine to resolve. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 15 2024 7:31 utc | 122 After the loss of some positions in the Chasovoy Yar direction of the Donetsk region, inspections and transfer of commanders and military personnel to other units began in the 67th separate mechanized brigade “Volunteer Ukrainian Corps”. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 15 2024 7:53 utc | 123 I have never watched Dima and from what i gather he is a bunch of wind. Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 15 2024 7:59 utc | 124 As the British newspaper The Sun reports, citing Ukrainian officials, Kiev wants to destroy the Crimean bridge by mid-July. Experts interviewed by the newspaper suspect that Kiev could use 20 to 40 “Storm Shadow” missiles to hit the bridge’s roadway, as well as unmanned boats to destroy the supports. The newspaper’s report states: Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 15 2024 8:23 utc | 125 HB_Norica | Apr 15 2024 7:59 utc | 122 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 15 2024 8:35 utc | 126 Media: Russian forces attack French mercenaries in Slavyansk Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 8:56 utc | 127 Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 8:56 utc | 125 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 15 2024 9:11 utc | 128 hey does someone have alternative russia today links? Posted by: Macpott | Apr 15 2024 9:14 utc | 129 looks like the rt mirror site in germany has been blocked. Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 15 2024 9:27 utc | 130 Far better to get the Russian military big picture. Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 15 2024 9:33 utc | 131 … Which is exactly the kind of think we mostly drink here @bar. Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 15 2024 9:40 utc | 132 Of course those would be French Foreign Legion so they don’t have to be accounted for Macron’s election campaign. Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 9:41 utc | 133 looks like the rt mirror site in germany has been blocked. Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 9:44 utc | 134 Justpassinby | Apr 15 2024 9:27 utc | 128 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 15 2024 9:44 utc | 135 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 15 2024 9:44 utc | 133 Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 9:54 utc | 136 Jake Blanchard Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Apr 15 2024 10:03 utc | 137 Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 9:44 utc | 132 Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 15 2024 10:08 utc | 138 87: Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 15 2024 10:15 utc | 139 “Speaking of insufferable posters, Shadowbanned has been missing for maybe a week now. No great loss. Hopefully we’ve seen the last of him.” 3. Oh…and partially controlled isn’t 100% controlled. The “Ber” is still not under the red. 😉 Posted by: James M. | Apr 15 2024 10:46 utc | 142 Willy’s latest: Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 15 2024 10:55 utc | 143 Based on Dima’s reports, it seems Ukraine absolutely has lost initiative in the Rabotyne, Ugledar and Novomikhalovka directions. Albeit these seem to be low activity and low concentration areas, but they just can sit there and take it. The two villages west of Novomikhalovka (Konstantinovka and the one west of it) are already under relatively heavy fire. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 15 2024 11:01 utc | 144 James: Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 15 2024 11:09 utc | 145
Don’t think so. The ‘negotiated solution’ is purely western copium and propaganda because they want to ignore the issues. They want it all the problems just to ‘go away’ and imagine something not so inconvenient. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 15 2024 11:10 utc | 146 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 15 2024 6:26 utc | 113 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Apr 15 2024 11:12 utc | 147 @144 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 15 2024 11:12 utc | 148 Dima’s latest: Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 15 2024 11:13 utc | 149 @psychohistorian | Apr 15 2024 3:22 utc | 102
The main purpose of such rumors is to later gloat that “the Russians failed”, even though the Russians said no such thing. Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 15 2024 11:22 utc | 150 Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 15 2024 11:09 utc | 143 Posted by: James M. | Apr 15 2024 11:22 utc | 151 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Apr 15 2024 10:03 utc | 135 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 15 2024 11:29 utc | 152 The US thinks it’s a FSB site. Posted by: SamHyde | Apr 15 2024 11:34 utc | 153 This is why I see a negotiated solution in the end…and the issue is not Russian willingness, but Ukrop and US/NATO willingness. As it is now, Russia is not even controlling the areas like the Donetsk that they have formally annexed. They are going to end up with less than half a loaf at the end of the day. Posted by: James M. | Apr 15 2024 11:42 utc | 154
https://twitter.com/distant_earth83/status/1779840458866250001 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 15 2024 11:55 utc | 155 …can dig trenches but not do much else but wait their fate. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 15 2024 11:55 utc | 156 Anonymous | Apr 15 2024 10:55 utc | 141 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 15 2024 11:58 utc | 157 Posted by: vargas | Apr 15 2024 10:16 utc | 138
how can anyone take this character seriously?
excerpt from the transcript: Posted by: ghiwen | Apr 15 2024 12:14 utc | 158 “Here I’ll disagree. I don’t think the Russian goal is to take territory at a snail’s pace all the way to Odessa. I think their goal is to break the Ukrainian lines to effect revolution and/or regime collapse. If that’s the case, they don’t need to go all the way to wherever. They can still dictate terms to the Ukrainians. In WW1 Germany ‘didn’t lose on the Western front,” they surrendered because of the Allies naval blockade which was starving the German populace. Posted by: James M. | Apr 15 2024 12:24 utc | 160 But the Western front was the only one Germany was fighting on at the time. Posted by: James M. | Apr 15 2024 12:39 utc | 161 Dima gives too many dtails sometimrs but for me he is the best source. Posted by: vargas | Apr 15 2024 12:48 utc | 162 Posted by: ghiwen | Apr 15 2024 12:14 utc | 156 Posted by: Oliver Krug | Apr 15 2024 12:50 utc | 163 @ Oliver Krug, §161: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 15 2024 12:54 utc | 164 Posted by: Oliver Krug | Apr 15 2024 12:50 utc | 163 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 15 2024 13:37 utc | 165 No, Art 5 explicitly states that independent offensive actions by a member state and the consequences thereof are excluded. Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 13:37 utc | 166 Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 15 2024 5:40 utc | 108 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Apr 15 2024 13:37 utc | 167 Barrel Brown | Apr 15 2024 11:12 utc | 145 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 15 2024 13:54 utc | 168 The Ukrainian Neo-Nazi’s that are desperately trying to blow up the ZNPP, are adding nuclear reactors to an already existing nuclear power plant in the West of Ukraine. I betcha they don’t try and blow that one up. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 15 2024 13:57 utc | 169 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 15 2024 13:57 utc | 169 Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 15 2024 14:06 utc | 170 In #Aleksandrovka, a woman born in 1964 was injured as by a UAV drop on a city bus, born in 1951. Posted by: smuks | Apr 15 2024 14:08 utc | 171 Posted by: ghiwen | Apr 15 2024 12:14 utc | 158 Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 15 2024 14:27 utc | 172 canuck | Apr 15 2024 10:42 utc | 141 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Apr 15 2024 14:27 utc | 173 Chasov Yar: Posted by: smuks | Apr 15 2024 14:43 utc | 174 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 15 2024 6:26 utc | 115 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Apr 15 2024 14:52 utc | 175 @ Oliver Krug, §161: Posted by: Oliver Krug | Apr 15 2024 14:54 utc | 176 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 15 2024 13:54 utc | 168 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Apr 15 2024 15:02 utc | 177 As answer to Post 176, Posted by: HEL | Apr 15 2024 15:03 utc | 178 @ Oliver Krug, §176: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 15 2024 15:06 utc | 179 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Apr 15 2024 14:27 utc | 173 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Apr 15 2024 15:07 utc | 180 Perhaps we should buy the same washing machine as Putin, to have chips for our weapons? Posted by: Passerby | Apr 15 2024 15:11 utc | 181 174: Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 15 2024 15:20 utc | 182 No matter what is “talked about” – WW3 takes its course – rapidly in an ever tighter spiral… Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 15:30 utc | 183 French president Macron won’t be happy as RF weapons killed French mercenaries (more likely troops) who were aiding and abetting the Neo-Nazi regimes forces in Ukraine. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 15 2024 15:30 utc | 184 So whenever I hear anyone say the words “I know” I immediately think “Oh yeah? At what level of knowledge do you REALLY know that?” Posted by: Newbie | Apr 15 2024 15:39 utc | 185 It’s a long way from Chasiv Yar to Kiev. Look at how slow Russia moves. Even after the “breakthrough” at Avdiivka, they were held up for close to two months at a crappy village like Berdichi, without prepared fortifications and with a very modest water hazard (like a golf course creek and ponds). Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 15:40 utc | 186 @Anonymous 182 Posted by: Old Sovietologist | Apr 15 2024 15:45 utc | 187 Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 15 2024 15:20 utc | 182 Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 15:48 utc | 188 Let me remind you that the Dnieper bridges are still standing, which seems to transparently hint to everyone that the goal is not Ukraine and not the seizure of territories, but dragging NATO into the conflict, the subsequent destruction of everything they send and the creation of an internal crisis in NATO. Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 15 2024 15:55 utc | 189 @ Bemildred 189 Posted by: Old Sovietologist | Apr 15 2024 16:15 utc | 190 In April 2022 they could have walked away with a ‘win’ via the Istanbul agreements and a big one in the circumstances. Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 15 2024 16:30 utc | 191
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/109151 Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 15 2024 16:57 utc | 192 I do not understand how Dutch politicians, traditionally very mean when it comes to give away their money easily gave or promised 3 billions to Ukraine? Posted by: Passerby | Apr 15 2024 17:04 utc | 193 Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 15 2024 16:57 utc | 192 Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 17:04 utc | 194 @Passerby | Apr 15 2024 17:04 utc | 193
Correct. The USA is not our friend. Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 15 2024 17:06 utc | 195 Posted by: Passerby | Apr 15 2024 17:04 utc | 193 Posted by: ossi | Apr 15 2024 17:07 utc | 196 @ Old Sovietologist | Apr 15 2024 15:45 utc | 187 who I just responded to on the more recent thread…thanks again and welcome to the bar….have your favorite on me Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 15 2024 17:56 utc | 197 Correct. The USA is not our friend. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Apr 15 2024 17:57 utc | 198 @Oliver Krug | Apr 15 2024 17:57 utc | 198 Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 15 2024 18:11 utc | 199
That’s it? The Aztecs just get a free pass on their crimes? The whole thing just gets swept under the rug? Shame on you, MoA! Posted by: McAgnew | Apr 15 2024 18:19 utc | 200 |
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