Russian missiles hit their mark.
” Russian troops destroyed a Ukrainian storage facility with 32 howitzers and two UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) assembly workshops over the past day in the special military operation in Ukraine, Russia’s Defense Ministry reported on Wednesday.
“Operational/tactical aircraft, missile troops and artillery of the Russian groupings of forces destroyed the Ukrainian army’s armament/ammunition depot storing 32 152mm D-20 howitzers, two workshops assembling unmanned aerial vehicles and a site for preparing and launching naval drones, and also struck enemy manpower and military hardware in 128 areas,” the ministry said in a statement.”
https://tass.com/politics/1773135
Meanwhile.
The Ukrainian Neo Nazi’s do a Zionist Neo Nazi tactic, and try to murder journalist.
“The Ukrainian armed forces fired three artillery shells at a reporting crew of the Lugansk branch of Russia’s VGTRK broadcaster, the Vesti Lugansk news program said on Telegram.
Correspondent Artyom Yundas suffered a concussion, while cameraman Denis Shum sustained an injury to his leg. The Ukrainian military tried to use a drone to finish off the journalists, Yundas said in a video on Telegram.
Yundas and Shum were taken to the hospital in the city of Lugansk; both are said to be in stable condition.
The head of the VGTRK branch in Lugansk told the Rossiya-24 TV channel that the attack had taken place in the Kremennaya area, which is currently one of the most dangerous areas of the line of engagement in the special military operation zone.”
https://tass.com/society/1773185

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 10 2024 18:37 utc | 3

Good to see this taking place however I doubt Scholz will stop backing the genocide in Gaza, has Germany ever met a genocide it didn’t like? (Namibia, WWII, Gaza).
“Hundreds of German civil servants have joined a group to demand Chancellor Olaf Scholz stop sending weapons to Israel as the regime continues its war crimes in the Gaza Strip.
Around 600 senior public sector employees wrote a letter to Scholz on Monday, calling on him and his senior officials to “cease arms deliveries to Israel with immediate effect.””
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/04/09/723369/Germany-arms-supplies-Israel
Germany is being captured from the inside, any resistance might lead to a Ukrainian Gladio styled attack on Europe.
“A uniquely Ukrainian strain of Neo-Nazism is spreading throughout Europe, which openly advocates violence against minorities while seeking new recruits. With Kiev’s army collapsing and a narrative of Western betrayal gaining currency, the horror inflicted on residents of Donbas for a decade could very soon be coming to a city near you.
Centuria, an ultra-violent Ukrainian Neo-Nazi faction, has cemented itself in six cities across Germany, and is seeking to expand its local presence. According to Junge Welt, a Berlin-based Marxist daily, the Nazi organization’s growth has been “unhindered by local security services.”
Junge Welt traces Centuria’s origins to an August 2020 Neo-Nazi summit “at the edge of a forest near Kiev.” There, an ultranationalist named Igor “Tcherkas” Mikhailenko demanded the “hundreds of mostly masked vigilante fighters present,” who were members Kiev’s fascistic National Militia, “make sacrifices for the idea of ‘Greater Ukraine.’” As the former head of the Neo-Nazi Patriot of Ukraine’s Kharkiv division, and commander of the state sponsored Azov Battalion from 2014 to 2015, Mikhailenko has professed a desire to “destroy everything anti-Ukrainian.””
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/04/07/centuria-ukraines-western-neo-nazi-army/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 10 2024 18:56 utc | 5

@ Truthsayer, §1:
And calling it a “sound investment”!
Dave should be up before the SEC, if nothing else.

Posted by: John Marks | Apr 10 2024 19:11 utc | 7

Peter b | Apr 10 2024 18:29 utc | 2
Jabotinsky’s family helped in arming Zionists in Palestine, having shipped the illegal weapons under the cover of humanitarian aid, from Odessa to Jaffa in years 1946-1949.

Posted by: whirlX | Apr 10 2024 19:50 utc | 9

With the Russians now fully taking Pervomaiske, rolling up Novomykhailivka, breaking into Krasnohorivka and the outskirts of Chasiv Yar, the whole line of fortresses that have been reinforced over nearly a decade to the west and north of Donetsk is being overcome. With Novomykhailivka taken, Vuhledar will also fall as its remaining supply route is cut off. Without them it will be much more difficult for the Ukrainians to keep back a Russian military that is building strength while its own numbers and arms are dwindling. The ability of Russian ground attack aircraft to openly fly at low levels over places such as Chasiv Yar is another game changer. The weather will also soon very much favour the attackers.
Faced with an accelerating collapse on the Donetsk front, and possibly with a new front opening up around Kharkov, the West is now desperately attempting to work out how to grasp some victory from defeat. The US seems to be fully blocked by the Trump bloc from voting on a new massive support package, so it is down to the Europeans who in reality have little real ability to hold back the Russian army. Any intervention on the ground in Ukraine with official European troops in scale will rapidly result in a disaster for those troops, as Russia must deliver a harsh lesson to stop others following suit.
There is still the possibility that Russia will allow some chunks of Ukraine to be eaten by the Romanians, Hungarians and Polish with some agreement that Odessa and Transnistria will not be occupied. Such a move may be an intelligent one for the Russians as it would remove any pretence of the West being an “ally” of Ukraine and possibly deliver the Banderist hell hole in the north west to Polish management. Russia must take everything east of the Dniepr, plus Kiev and Odessa and everything between the Dniepr and Transnistria to gain a full victory and deliver actual security to Russia.
That’s why I believe the attempt to station any official foreign troops in the Odessa area will be met with an overwhelmingly deadly response, and that that message was delivered to Micron. It does seem that Micron has gone pretty quiet on his “clever” idea.
We can imagine the Democratic Party screams to reach fever pitch over the summer as Trump keeps successfully blocking a new military aid bill as the Ukrainians increasingly collapse. The other variable is how many of the Ukrainian generals can be turned by the Russians with promises of no prosecutions, some nice money in the bank and perhaps senior roles in the Novo Rossiya administration. It would only take a few to turn a collapse into a rout.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 10 2024 20:35 utc | 11

[Posted by: Roger | Apr 10 2024 20:35 utc | 11]
In FEB24, the month Avdiivka fell, RFA took .02% of the country. Yes, two ten thousandths. Given they have about 80% of the country to go, that means, it would take about 5,000 months (over 400 years) to completely conquer the country.
Oh…but the floodgates opened after Avdiivka, right? Well…actually in MAR24, they only took .01% of the country. So, that that rate, expect 800 years to get the job done.
But…math and maps are trolls. Just listen to Kayden and the Duran. Odessa any day now!

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2024 21:06 utc | 13

#11 roger….PDJT already have a visitor-warmonger & russophobe CAMERON in the MAR-A-LAGO to change his position regard aid for UKRAINE….

Posted by: sejmon | Apr 10 2024 21:09 utc | 15

@Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2024 21:06 utc | 13
You display the most basic misunderstanding of what war is about, the destruction of the opposing army. Now the West has aided Ukraine in rebuilding its army twice, with the increasingly forced enlistment of Ukrainian men and women together with wall to wall propaganda providing the required bodies. So it has taken a while for Russia to grind down what is really a Western-armed and supported (with increasing numbers of sheep-dipped regular troop “mercenaries”) proxy army, especially when the leaders of that army have little problem with massive rates of death. All of this while Russian casualties have been greatly limited.
So stop counting inches on a map, and start understanding what is actually happening on the battlefield. Like bankruptcy, the victory in this war has had a long period of incremental change but will rapidly accelerate toward the end.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 10 2024 21:19 utc | 17

@ Anonymous
How is Odessa Oblast doing lately?

The Russian army attacks bridges in Odessa, seeking to disrupt the delivery of NATO weapons
Several series of missile strikes were carried out on strategically important bridges during the day.
Now for the 3rd time in a day, the railway bridge – way from the southern part of the port of Chernomorsk (Ilyichevsk), where NATO weapons delivered by sea are being unloaded, has been attacked. — victor @victop55

Thought so.

Posted by: whirlX | Apr 10 2024 21:47 utc | 19

So it looks like that video someone posted of all those D20s getting blown up in the same place was real, or at least the Russian MOD makes the claim it was recent in the daily report. More than what the video said even.
Someone had linked the video in the previous discussion.
“Operational-Tactical Aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Groups of Forces of the Russian Federation have destroyed an AFU weapons and ammunition storage base with 32 152-mm D-20 howitzers,”
——- Full daily eng.mil.ru —–
< Home < News < More in detail 10.04.2024 (14:20) Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (10 April 2024) The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation. In Kupyansk direction, the Zapad Group of Forces' units improved the situation along the front line and repelled a counter-attack launched by an assault detachment of the AFU 31st National Guard Brigade close to Grigorovka (Donetsk People's Republic). The AFU losses amounted to up to 20 Ukrainian troops, one tank, three armoured fighting vehicles, and four motor vehicles. In the course of counter-battery warfare, the Russian troops hit one U.S.-made 155-mm M109 Paladin self-propelled artillery system, one 152-mm Msta-B howitzer, two 122-mm Gvozdika self-propelled artillery systems, as well as two Bukovel-AD and Nota electronic warfare stations. In Donetsk direction, units of the Yug Group of Forces took more advantageous lines and inflicted fire damage on manpower and hardware of the 5th Assault Force, 22nd, 28th, 67th, 93rd, and 115th mechanised brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Krasnoye, Novokalinovo, Kleshcheyevka, Novoye, and Kurdyumovka (Donetsk People's Republic). Four counter-attacks by units of the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade, 33rd Mechanised Brigade, and 46th Airmobile Brigade were repelled close to Vyemka, Pobeda, and Krasnogorovka (Donetsk People's Republic). The AFU losses amounted to up to 360 Ukrainian troops, two U.S.-made M113 armoured personnel carriers, and five motor vehicles. In counter-battery warfare, the Russian troops wiped out one Polish-made 155-mm Krab self-propelled artillery system, one UK-made 155-mm AS-90 Braveheart self-propelled artillery system, one 122-mm Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, two 122-mm D-30 howitzers, one 100-mm Rapira anti-tank gun, as well as one U.S.-made AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery radar station, and two Nota electronic warfare stations. In Avdeyevka direction, the units of the Tsentr Group of Forces have improved the tactical situation and repelled 11 counter-attacks of the assault groups of the 25th Air Assault Brigade, 71st Jaeger, 59th Mechanised Infantry, 47th and 115th mechanised brigades of the AFU close to Pervomayskoye, Vodyanoye, Novobakhmutovka, Umanskoye, and Berdychi (Donetsk People's Republic). The AFU losses amounted to up to 395 Ukrainian troops, three armoured fighting vehicles, six motor vehicles, one 152-mm Msta-B howitzer, and one 122-mm Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system. In South Donetsk direction, the Vostok Group of Forces' units improved the situation along the front line and inflicted fire damage on the 72nd Mechanised Brigade of the AFU and 128th Territorial Defence Brigade close to Staromayorskoye and Urozhaynoye (Donetsk People's Republic). Two enemy counter-attacks were repelled close to Nikolskoye (Donetsk People's Republic). The enemy's losses amounted to up to 115 Ukrainian troops, three pickup trucks, one 122-mm Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, and one 100-mm Rapira anti-tank gun. In Kherson direction, the units of the Dnepr Group of Forces inflicted fire damage on manpower and hardware of the 65th Mechanised Brigade of the AFU, 121st and 126th territorial defence brigades close to Rabotino (Zaporozhye region), Mikhailovka, and Ivanovka (Kherson region). The AFU losses amounted to up to 65 Ukrainian troops, three motor vehicles, one U.S.-made M777 howitzer, one 152-mm D-20 howitzer, one 122-mm Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, one Plastun electronic reconnaissance station, and one Nota electronic warfare station. Operational-Tactical Aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Groups of Forces of the Russian Federation have destroyed an AFU weapons and ammunition storage base with 32 152-mm D-20 howitzers, two unmanned aerial vehicle assembly workshops, a training and launch site for uncrewed surface vehicles, and hit AFU manpower and hardware in 128 areas. Air defence systems shot down 172 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles, three French-made Hammer aerial guided bombs, and two HIMARS and Uragan MLRS projectiles during the day. In total, 583 airplanes, 270 helicopters, 20,089 unmanned aerial vehicles, 499 air-to-air missile systems, 15,741 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,266 multiple rocket systems combat vehicles, 8,802 field artillery guns and mortars, and 20,852 special military vehicles have been neutralised since the beginning of the special military operation.

Posted by: Rhymerez | Apr 10 2024 21:51 utc | 21

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2024 21:06 utc | 13
By the way, Mr. Anonymous, when was the most recent progress made by the Kiev regime? They kept changing their plans like a game of musical chairs. First it was Melitipol, then Mariupol, and then Crimea in Autumn 2023. Who knows where they’ll ending up next!
We were also informed that in July 2022, Russia supposedly exhausted their missile supply and resorted to using spades as their unconventional weapon of choice. Well, imagine our surprise when we heard that Russia was apparently swiping washing machines just to get their hands on the chips inside. Talk about resourceful! We were also informed that President Putin would be removed from power as opposition in Russia to the war increased. Oh, and let’s not overlook the fact that Russia’s economy was predicted to be in shambles by Autumn 2022.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 10 2024 22:01 utc | 23

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 10 2024 18:37 utc | 3
The fact they were all lined up outside, with no attempt to hide or disperse them, suggests Ukraine is critically short of 152mm ammunition. An interesting indicator, given there were about a regiment of guns KO’d.
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2024 21:06 utc | 13
The only problem with using territory gained, as a metric of success, is that it ignores the strategy that Moscow has largely been compelled to adopt, and the West has empowered. There also is the question of the analyst’s dilemma, or, how to be generally accurate, but specifically vague; unfortunately, by reversing those ‘guidelines’, and stating clearly documented parameters for success or failure, you have increased the chance you will be demonstrably wrong. I therefore doubt somewhat that you have done this professionally.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 10 2024 22:09 utc | 25

That video of neatly parked guns out in the open getting blown up. Too perfect. This is not Feb 2022. Everything is stored in warehouses. The video itself the roads, hardstands ect. Too perfect, too clear with clear cut edges ect. Looked like something out of a video game.
But those guns, perfectly parked like that out in the open, close enough that Russia had a drone watching it as the strike occurred. Ifr there was actually anything like that, it would be decoys.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 10 2024 22:18 utc | 27

Let me know when that attrition has collapsed the Ukrop ability to defend. Right now, the RFA can’t even take Berdichi.
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2024 22:03 utc | 24
But right now….they HAVE taken Berdichi. Oh dear, Mr Anonymous, you’re losing your touch.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 10 2024 22:28 utc | 29

Let me know when that attrition has collapsed the Ukrop ability to defend. Right now, the RFA can’t even take Berdichi.
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2024 22:03 utc | 24
Meanwhile, the kiev regime couldn’t even keep Avdeeka, Mariupol, Lysichance, Bachmut or Melitopol after 10 years of building fortresses their.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 10 2024 22:31 utc | 31

[Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 10 2024 22:28 utc | 29]
Even Dima (who is pro Russian) does not say they have Berdichi. Ukrops still have the west side.
See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVC2u673_Ok (minute 18:00-19:00)
When they actually clear it, I’ll give the RFA credit. But not a month ahead of time like the Kalibrated/Duran hopium crowd.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2024 22:37 utc | 33

Was Weeb the one who said the Prigozhin jaunt towards Moscow was really 5D chess and would loop through the north and attack Kharkive? Or was that Dima. I get them mixed up. 🙂 Enjoy that Weeb/Kalibrated/Duran schtick. Heck, according to some of them, it was already gone a month ago.
Who cares about maps and facts. Let’s suck the hopium pipe. It’s not about reality and thoughtful analysis. It’s about whichever blogger or YTer tells us what we want to hear. Smoke…that hopium.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2024 22:49 utc | 35

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2024 22:49 utc | 35
Mr So-Called Anonymous. I know you cannot deal in facts but please don’t just make things up. I know thats the training NAFO and Hollywood gives you but it doesnt wash in the real world. Berdichi has fallen
WEEB UNION
Pervomaiske & Berdychi Have Fallen | Russian Armored Breakthrough
https://youtu.be/jf8W-kcJ5Fk?si=nqxrTO82_mUItxfS

Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 10 2024 23:04 utc | 37

But those guns, perfectly parked like that out in the open, close enough that Russia had a drone watching it as the strike occurred. Ifr there was actually anything like that, it would be decoys.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 10 2024 22:18 utc | 27
I read somewhere they were very old and mothballed and being worked on to get out into the field. I also concur though, the chances of them being decoys is high.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 10 2024 23:13 utc | 39

#rumors #layout
We confirm the Resident’s information that Azov refused to redeploy to Chasov Yar to help Commander-in-Chief Syrsky extinguish the defeat/retreat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The leadership of Azov understands that Bankovaya wants to weaken their units by throwing them into meat grinders, since the office ones are afraid that at one point the “Azovites” may go to Kyiv against Zelensky/Ermak. Although in the public sphere everyone loves and trusts everyone, behind the scenes there is a struggle.
Bankovaya so wanted to drain the 3rd assault in the Avdeevskaya stranglehold, but they quickly realized the quiet plan of the office and left there before the order was given (on the sidelines everyone says that it was the retreat of the “troika” that forced Syrsky to announce an urgent exit, we about this was immediately insider).
By the way, the office people are very jealous of the fact that Azov is increasing its staff and creating another brigade of serving and experienced fighters, strengthening itself and gaining weight. Bankovaya is afraid that Azov may at some point become uncontrollable.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 10 2024 23:18 utc | 41

HERMIUS:
I’ll wait for other mappers, before I bit regarding Berdichi. When there’s agreement, it really is all gone, I’ll admit it. So far, it has been over a month of false claims. Dima still doesn’t give the whole village to the RFA. And neither did Willy this morning or DPA yesterday.
In any case, that would still be a month of false claims…AND a holdup at the “zeroth” line of defense. Even after the “disarray” and “rout” supposedly post Avdiivka.
But, let’s see what other people say tomorrow.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2024 23:20 utc | 43

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 10 2024 23:20 utc | 42
Hehe….I thinks he’s on dopium Mr Dude, not hopeium lol

Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 10 2024 23:34 utc | 45

Why do people feed the trolls?
Posted by: Sally | Apr 10 2024 23:13 utc | 40
Tis a question oft asked @bar. Sage advice is always “don’t”.
Always infuriating to see a thread hijacked within the first 10 posts.
As an aside to the “hahah, Russia hasn’t taken enough land”…
I’ve noticed my yt feed of the past week has featured content creators both new and familiar posting about “Russia’s upcoming summer offensive”.
Now, AFAIK Shoigu-Gerasimov haven’t announced any Le Grande Upcoming Summer Offensive.
So, I’m anticipating, when Russia “fails” to deliver a Great Big Arrow Summer Sizzler Stampede across the Dnieper, trolls will roll in here demanding that barflies account for said “failure”.
~~~
In other news, Japan is joining AUKUS; Australia is getting a new Defence Force chief… but nothing important will change, we’re still on course to be the Ukraine of the South when the U$ kicks off its China campaign…
Janet Yellen went to Beijing to chide and threaten China about supporting Russia,
Lavrov was in town at exactly the same time, so Yellen’s yabber seemed exceptionally impotent.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 10 2024 23:49 utc | 47

Posted by: Rhymerez | Apr 10 2024 23:44 utc | 46
The AFU command has given the order to defend the crossroad in Netailove at all cost. Most likely because if they lose it and Netailove, the AFU defense is split into two, Umanske and up, and Netailove is the only way to move things on the north-south axis.
Netailove will most likely also be the end of Krasnogorovka to the south as it can potentially become enveloped from the north.
So piece by piece, new opportunities arise and the house of card defense structure crumbles.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 10 2024 23:52 utc | 49

Janet Yellen went to Beijing to chide and threaten China about supporting Russia,
Lavrov was in town at exactly the same time, so Yellen’s yabber seemed exceptionally impotent.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 10 2024 23:49 utc | 47
I wonder whether Yellen and Lavrov just happened, at exactly the same time, to be buying a coffee at the same coffee shop close to the Forbidden City. Would only be polite to sit together and drink their coffee while chewing the fat. Nothing would appear on the formal schedules of course.
Maybe, talking the thought a step further, such coffee engagement was the reason for both Yellen and Lavrov’s visit to Beijing. Everything else might be fluff, and the Chinese are fully aware of that.
If such a talk did occur then at least it is a step back from WW3. Just a thought.

Posted by: Marduk | Apr 11 2024 0:04 utc | 51

If such a talk did occur then at least it is a step back from WW3. Just a thought.
Posted by: Marduk | Apr 11 2024 0:04 utc | 51
A very Chinese thought, as in I could see this type of plot written in a chinese historical drama. Their way of thinking and plotting can be quite strange until you start to get it.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 11 2024 0:10 utc | 53

Re: the greyzone article, it’s been my opinion for a solid 18 months now that the real threat of Ukrainian nationalist terrorist as the hot conflict in Ukraine winds down is not Russia but Europe.
The stab in the back narrative against the west will be powerful. Europe – and even the U.S. – will be a softer target than Russia. And the societal anger in Europe will be easier to exploit than Russia. As EU economies struggle, the east blame will be on immigrants. That’s fertile ground for neo-Nazi ideology. A whole bunch of rabid Ukrainians who weren’t man enough to go defeat the Russians are exactly the type who will commit violence against people who don’t have the ability to fight back.
And all this is why I’ve argued that Russia should leave western Ukraine to Europe, the heartland of Ukrainian nationalism. It’s functionally equivalent to putting a grenade with no pin in Europe’s lap. From the stab in the back narrative to the long and unfriendly relations between the poles and Ukrainian nationalists, to the fact that the west won’t actually rebuild whatever’s left of Ukraine.

Posted by: Lex | Apr 11 2024 0:23 utc | 55

@43 anonymous
Re: berdichi
What happened there is that Russia rolled into it and was forced back by the brigade with the m1 Abrams and other reserves to preserve the line there. According to russian strategy that is not a challenge to use russian reserves to engage in dick measuring with their enemies. What they did do was inflict fire damage until Ukrainian reserves slacked off and all buildings were leveled down the basements. Russian strategy is to also destroy identified Ukrainian positions only and not use indiscriminate fire, as its wasteful. Their goal is to inflict casualties until Nato can be lured across the dnieper so they inflict an unambiguous and decisive defeat on Nato.
This is a time consuming process and unfamiliar to students of world war 2 and post 1991 western strategists although given Natos steadfast refusal to enter formally I think they’re aware of the possibility.
To the amateurs though I can understand how it looks. Suffice to say you have let go of your assumptions and view things in a wider historical context.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 11 2024 0:31 utc | 57

A whole bunch of rabid Ukrainians who weren’t man enough to go defeat the Russians are exactly the type who will commit violence against people who don’t have the ability to fight back.
Posted by: Lex | Apr 11 2024 0:23 utc | 55
They’ll be able to fight back, both through terrorism and crime, and the governments will not be able to stop the underground war, and it will just escalate until the governments fall.
30 or 40 years out.
But, yeah Ukrainian immigrants vs muslim/african immigrants is a powder keg.
P.S. probably half of neo-nazis are pro Ukraine, consider Russia “mongoloid mutts” and just another “jewish puppet state” that “celebrates diversity” and is “letting itself be overrun by muslims”.
I have watched these people for a while, and at about 2016, I started seeing videos of mass formations (hundreds) of young, bald, uniformly dressed fit white men, training under flags swastikas and sonnerands, then forming into disciplined military squares.
Excellent camera work, using both drones and well produced ground shots. Exciting metal style music, well produced. Passed around by neo nazis world wide, proclaiming the race war was coming.
I eventually found out these videos were from Ukraine.
So the disenfranchised euro males will fock to the ukrainian immigrants, as “brown immigrant” crime and terrorism gets worse and worse.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 11 2024 0:39 utc | 59

Why do people feed the trolls?
Posted by: Sally | Apr 10 2024 23:13 utc | 40
It’s human nature by the honourable to react and counter bullshit they read … otherwise it can get left standing on record as unchallenged. Even wilfully trolling provocateurs need to have their false arguments immediately shot down. Consider the newbie forum reader — they may innocently swallow the shite and regurgitate it elsewhere, not yet knowing truth from fiction. So does not MoA, as a collective, have a responsibility to keep the threads truthful?
Personally, I see more value in contradicting the fuckwits here (and cluttering up a bit of thread space) than letting their bullshit stand. Imagine being a qualified military historian and reading blatant falsities. Of course they step in to correct a lie. That may or may not be “feeding a troll”, or just educating someone of lesser knowledge. Often hard to tell, yes?
I’ve noticed the pattern that wilful trolls come in, try on a bit of bullshit, but if continually challenged, they go away quicker than if not challenged. Ignorants, otoh, through being challenged, soon learn their ignorance is not appreciated and tend to stop spouting it. Stubborn Dunning-Krugers, unfortunately persist. None the less, they need our attention!
The thing is, some readers choose to protect the truth while others couldn’t be arsed but then complain about those who “feed the trolls”. So addressing thread pollution is a personal choice about what gets up your particular nose — and should not be a “don’t feed the trolls” rule. Address it if you feel inclined, or just read on and ignore, and let others be the truth policemen.
The irony is that more threads here are hijacked and polluted by non-troll members arguing over OT egotistical, unresolvable opinions. But of course, THAT is tolerated because they are long-timers with other valuable input. The hypocrisy of who to tolerate, who to ignore, and who to chastise is astounding.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 11 2024 0:46 utc | 61

@b #2
Interesting question. Another question I havs is why Russia doesn’t move the nuclear material from Zaporozhiya deep into Russian territory away from Ukraine?

Posted by: Richard L | Apr 11 2024 1:00 utc | 63

Jake Blanchard | Apr 11 2024 0:46 utc | 61
It’s ok to reply to trolling/ ignorant nonsense & correct it.
But once somebody has done that, there’s no need to keep responding & repeating.
Every further reply after the first is “feeding the trolls”.

Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 1:15 utc | 65

Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 1:15 utc | 65
Nah! take them on Mr Smuks. Its good to have them around. We can practice our truth on them. Show them up. Embarass them for what they are. And, whats more, we can say with pride that we don’t ban people because of their views.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 11 2024 1:34 utc | 67

It’s ok to reply to trolling/ ignorant nonsense & correct it.
But once somebody has done that, there’s no need to keep responding & repeating.
Every further reply after the first is “feeding the trolls”.
Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 1:15 utc | 65
Yes yes yes *I* agree with you. But that is in a perfect world. In practice, two things happen.
One is that some folks here read old to new. They therefore see the dodgy post, immediately hit the text box and respond, maybe 12 hours (half a globe turn) AFTER OTHERS have already responded further down the thread.
Other browsers read new to old, so they firstly come upon all the other secondary responses to the primary responses to the original dodgy post, which THEY think are not sufficiently explanatory … or abusive enough! So they add their 2 cents of fact correction to the recent end of the thread, not realising they have just added the 12th response to the original troll post!
You see? So (ALL FORUMS’) threads are very organic. They ALWAYS end up a mish mash of human foibles. 10,000 webforum browsers can’t be controlled by … or even guided by … commonsense rules!
This problem is decades old. In 1994, I was a “Sysop”, a volunteer forum moderator. To keep forums clean and according to the “rules”, the site owner had to spend too many hours per day. His solution was to appoint “trusted helpers” (like me) in different time zones to ruthlessly delete shit … plus move posts into their relevant topics. Three deletions was a permanent ban. It worked wonders.
So, with Bernard having such little time, or appointing “censors for the rules”, my argument still stands — as many people as motivated should respond to trolls and bullshit. Others who don’t like to “feed trolls”, or witness their demolition, will just have to tolerate those who feel motivated to correct falsities.
It’s all about that tricky task of free speech versus censorship. Ignoring stupidity JUST.DOESN’T.WORK.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 11 2024 2:00 utc | 69

“…Australia was a “penal colony” you set your criminals and mentally unstable on people who are reasonable, and call it participation; that is rich!”
Nasir | Apr 10 2024 23:52 utc | 48
Australia was used as a penal colony when the American colonies- the original penal colonies- stopped offering the service, although many German states exported their ‘criminals’ well into the C19th.
You would be surprised at how many penal colonies there were
“Europeans were evil and vicious people, who looted the world. I wish I could get free labor and be considered “respectable”
The problem with this doctrine, Nasir, is that Europeans were also the primary victims of this policy. Most of those sent to Australia, for example, as criminals were either working people standing up for their families or actual political prisoners.
The problem with racism -as in ‘all europeans are evil and vicious’- is that it is of no use, except pehaps as an emotional release, in helping to explain why things happened and what is likely to come next.
The culprit here is not a population but a ruling class and the imperialist system that they developed to turn their exploitation of domestic labour into a system under which the labour of other countries was exploited too.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 11 2024 2:09 utc | 71

The Iranians aren’t stupid. They know this is an obvious trap and will retaliate in their own terms. This is just Western media hoping for a showdown on the next news cycle.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Apr 11 2024 4:00 utc | 73

Russia seizes 650,000 acres of Russian farmland belonging to unfriendly country.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-seizes-over-650-000-192617579.html?guccounter=1

Posted by: Retaining_H2O | Apr 11 2024 4:21 utc | 75

#rumors
A tough and even slavish bill on mobilization is the demand of Western sponsors, who put forward behind-the-scenes demands to Zelensky that he must fight 90% with manpower, and then they will give more loans to support the war throughout the year. The poor and hard workers will fight, and the elite will get even richer from this.
In fact, Zelensky understands that the war can no longer be won, but continues to massively throw his people into meat grinders for the sake of the interests of global players and extending time at the “feeding trough.”
…
Our source reports that Zelensky was recently reported on how the border with Moldova, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, Romania, the PMR, and the Republic of Belarus was strengthened.
They strengthened the border so that people could not escape from Ukraine.
Now border guards have more UAVs with thermal imagers than military personnel on the front line. The reason is simple – UAVs are now more important for catching manpower than for war.
At the same time, Zelensky ordered to strengthen even more barriers, outfits and equipment, as well as to launch more frightening news that people are freezing or being eaten by wolves, in order to thus discourage even the desire to flee from Ukraine.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 11 2024 5:00 utc | 77

In regards to Berdychi ISW has confirmed advance west of the town, only one small portion is left in the “claimed” area. According to their map, West Berdychi is taken, and Semenivka is cut off and being attacked from the north along with the south. If there are a few AFU in those few buildings not in the confirmed area it isn’t stopping defensive line in Berdychi from being breached and the fight being taken to beyond the town.

Posted by: Rhymerez | Apr 11 2024 5:26 utc | 79

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 11 2024 5:26 utc | 80
The show begins! I’ll see which places Kuleba will grab her owners, in an attempt to shake the air defense out of them. For a tie, a collar or something else… 🙂

Posted by: Виктор | Apr 11 2024 5:47 utc | 81

melaleuca@80
kuleba, what? a lousy 7? surely israel can spare a few? aren’t you all family?

Posted by: emersonreturn | Apr 11 2024 5:53 utc | 83

Posted by: McAgnew | Apr 10 2024 21:02 utc | 12
“People, everywhere, stop fighting each other for pitys sake. How many world wars do we need to learn the lesson the state [we each ]were born in doesn’t deserve our trust or even loyalty.”
<=yes, the state does not deserve loyalty from the humans it governs because it, and those the elite allow to run the state[the politicians], are beholding to the elite in each of the nation state system countries. The nation state system is the worlds largest "divide and conquer" project the elite have yet devised. Patriotism, over the rights of all humans, is for fools blinded by propaganda encouraged by the elites, education promoted by the elites who dictate how things will be. Cultural and religious norms are established by the elites-in-charge of your nation state. Look for elite influence in government, education, religious organizations, and in community organizations. People grow up believing what the elites want them to believe. Believe it because that's the way it is? Have you ever wondered why most nation states are identified to a particular religion, to a particular culture, to particular language, to a particular [usually patriotic] song, to particular icons, to a particular set of buildings, to a particular set of holidays, to the reward promised if you become a graduate of a particular educational institution, etc. All these things mold humans from birth to death to support the elite owned governments; it is the elite owned government that runs each person's nation state and it is the elite owned government that punish the average person for non compliance to laws the elite need. The elites need the nation state to make the laws IOT keep themselves powerful and safe from you and the masses they control and IOT keep the elite wealthy? The elite blend you from birth to death in their crucible [the nation state]. After blending: you will be the person the elite want you to be and you will hate the persons the elite want you to hate or you will fear the persons the elite want you to fear.

Posted by: snake | Apr 11 2024 6:17 utc | 85

… But those guns, perfectly parked like that out in the open, close enough that Russia had a drone watching it as the strike occurred. Ifr there was actually anything like that, it would be decoys.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 10 2024 22:18 utc | 27
Your logic is sound, this usually correct channel agrees:
https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/4543

👉The “32 × D20’s” that were destroyed were actually nothing more than plastic pipes, the Russians hit a factory storage yard where they manufacture dummies.
That, followers is the reality of what happened in Oktyrka outside of Sumy.

Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 11 2024 7:20 utc | 87

Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 0:49 utc | 62
Like I’ve said, Moldova is on Putin’s geostrategic regime-change list, as well as the Baltics. After the whole of Ukraine is re-absorved like Chechnya was, it will be the time when ‘Western provocations’ (they will be real, yet they will come as planned by Russia) will force Russia to intervene in Moldova and the Baltics. After those regime-change operations are completed, the lines in Eastern Europe will stabilize for a long time. It’s all repercussions from the collapse of the Soviet Union. The terrain is still unstable.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Apr 11 2024 7:33 utc | 89

Like I’ve said, Moldova is on Putin’s geostrategic regime-change list, as well as the Baltics.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Apr 11 2024 7:33 utc | 89
If it’s not difficult for you, please back up this nonsense with facts. For example, a list of Russian NGOs in the Baltic States.

Posted by: Виктор | Apr 11 2024 8:04 utc | 91

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Apr 11 2024 7:33 utc | 89

Like I’ve said, Moldova is on Putin’s geostrategic regime-change list, as well as the Baltics.

Posted by: Виктор | Apr 11 2024 8:04 utc | 91

If it’s not difficult for you, please back up this nonsense with facts. For example, a list of Russian NGOs in the Baltic States.

It’s speculation Viktor, or rather informed hypothesizing about the future.
NGOs is not the style of Russia.
And Russia doesn’t need to do much to bring this about.
The West will keep on pressing, Moldova and the Baltics are weak and too close to Russia, and that plays into the Russian geostrategic plans.
Also, I actually find good that NATO’s tide to the East is now being reversed to the West thanks to Russian assertiveness.
After the lines stabilize, perhaps we can go back to do normal business.
About your quote of Putin, what he says is true, yet he is being facetious. Russia will not attack but Russia counts on the West trying to force Russia’s hand.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Apr 11 2024 8:32 utc | 93

1. We’ve all seen what happens when self-appointed moderators are given control over fact-checking in the MSM, and information is characterised and categorised by its proximity to an institutional narrative.
2. Posters should be allowed to make their own decisions about how they respond to posts.
3. Removing that simple ability would rapidly turn this site into an ideological echo chamber.
4. Contrary opinions, however we personally view or react to them, should be accessible and not removed because some individuals do not have the basic skills of internal redaction.
Posted by: Milites | Apr 11 2024 7:29 utc | 88
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Once again, like the last time you
replied to me, I have no idea if you are agreeing with or criticising my post or just opining to the gallery … in which case just leave my name off the top of your post.
Did you properly read my post? The conversation was about how to deal with trolls, ie whether to correct them or ignore them, NOTHING about removing disagreeable content.
1. I did not say that this or any forum should have “self appointed moderators”. Firstly, any site owner is free to moderate his own forum exactly how he so wishes. Secondly, my personal reference was of being APPOINTED through TRUST, and only to delete shit posting and to tidy up threads. I did not even think about censoring contrary opinions.
2. I agree AND CLEARLY STATED a case that posters should be allowed to make their own decisions about how they respond to trolling posts. Which is actually a contrary position to those who advocate “Don’t feed the trolls”.
3. I never advocated removing choice of responding. And you don’t think MoA is often an echo chamber??? Check out the Gaza thread sometime. The tiniest dissension from the full pro-Hamas narrative gets you labelled a hasbara. I won’t go there. It’s just an echo chamber full of whinging, didactic jew-haters.
4. “… some have no internal redaction”. Lol. Very true. Therefore, if internal self correction is not present, external correction must come into play! That’s where moderators CAN come in useful. Moderators … ie, help to keep things moderate rather than extreme.
Milites, like some others here, you seem to just shoot from the lip, and post just to see your name in lights. You regularly write in an ambiguous style which wastes replies trying to sort it out. For a smart and knowledgeable bloke, you blow a lot of smokey hot air.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 11 2024 8:36 utc | 95

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2024 0:37 utc | 58
It’s a useless PR event with the usual opportunity for a few backroom deals.
The Swiss media are mainly concerned with promoting the importance of Switzerland for international diplomacy and the wonderful blessings of tourism in this region. From Germany it sounds more banal:
“Switzerland is organizing a peace summit to end the war in Ukraine. However, Russia has stated that it will not be taking part. Moscow has not received an invitation to the conference, the Russian embassy in Bern announced on Wednesday. “But even if an invitation for such an event were to be received, the Russian side would not accept it”, the statement continued. Without Russian participation, the meeting on Mount Bürgenstock would degenerate into another round of fruitless consultations. The summit is scheduled for June 15 and 16.”
(“Die Schweiz organisiert einen Friedensgipfel zur Beendigung des Kriegs in der Ukraine. Doch Russland wird nach eigenen Angaben nicht daran teilnehmen. Moskau habe keine Einladung zur Konferenz erhalten, teilte die russische Botschaft in Bern am Mittwoch mit. Aber selbst im Fall des Erhalts einer Einladung für so ein Ereignis würde sie die russische Seite nicht annehmen“, heißt es weiter in der Mitteilung. Ohne russische Beteiligung verkomme das Treffen am Berg Bürgenstock zu einer weiteren Runde fruchtloser Konsultationen. Der Gipfel ist am 15. und 16. Juni geplant.“)
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/die-lage-in-der-ukraine-russland-lehnt-teilnahme-an-friedensgipfel-ab-19645400.html

Posted by: noonewhomatters | Apr 11 2024 8:40 utc | 97

Posted by: Smith Jones Smith | Apr 11 2024 8:36 utc | 94

as my translator and I entered the city, its ghostly silence was punctuated by the sound of incoming and outgoing munitions.

Long articles through translators and stringers with Hollywood like narratives, as the old ad would say “Where is the beef?”

Posted by: Paco | Apr 11 2024 8:51 utc | 99