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April 7, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-102
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 8 2024 17:08 utc | 198 Posted by: Milites | Apr 8 2024 17:19 utc | 201 Where the USA really blows Russia out of the water is ISR (intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance). Rifles, mortars and tube artillery are not particularly complicated gear, and in field conditions everything probably works similarly once degraded by mud and rain. Regardless, all such projectile systems are dependent on ability to see the target. Can’t see, can’t aim, so doesn’t matter what distance you can shoot or what accuracy if you could see and thus aim. Posted by: anonposter | Apr 8 2024 17:20 utc | 202 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 8 2024 16:13 utc | 191 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 8 2024 17:25 utc | 203 Milites (201). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 8 2024 17:29 utc | 204 bevin | Apr 7 2024 23:22 utc | 91 Posted by: Cynic | Apr 8 2024 17:31 utc | 205 anonposter | Apr 8 2024 17:20 utc | 202 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 8 2024 17:35 utc | 206 To anonposter Posted by: Josef Schweik | Apr 8 2024 17:41 utc | 207 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 8 2024 17:25 utc | 203
That is (not) a surprise. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 8 2024 17:57 utc | 208 Posted by: Josef Schweik | Apr 8 2024 17:41 utc | 207 Posted by: KMRIA | Apr 8 2024 18:04 utc | 209 War is peace
The long war… requires manufacturing capability … which requires energy. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 8 2024 18:15 utc | 210 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 8 2024 17:57 utc | 208 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 8 2024 18:17 utc | 212 RT Ukrainian citizens must realize that none of them will be able to escape mobilization as Kiev’s military suffers personnel shortages, Land Forces Commander Aleksandr Pavlyuk warned in a Facebook post on Monday. Posted by: vargas | Apr 8 2024 18:24 utc | 213
Posted by: Milites | Apr 8 2024 17:15 utc | 199 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 8 2024 18:28 utc | 214 Posted by: Noah Nehm | Apr 8 2024 18:16 utc | 211 Posted by: KMRIA | Apr 8 2024 18:30 utc | 215 If plan B is to fuck the Russians up as much as possible then the weapons just need to be good enough. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 8 2024 18:32 utc | 216 @Poslan1 #17:
Poslan1 is another defender of the incompetent (and the corrupt) among Russian generals. These always spring up whenever a fair and balanced assessment of the situation is presented. Why? Because any fair and balanced assessment of the situation will necessarily include discussion of the mistakes made by Russian generals and the “defenders” just can’t have that! According to these lunatics, Russian generals are omniscient and infallible and should never be criticized, even when they commit obvious mistakes (or in some cases, outright crimes). If a Russian general took a machine gun and gunned down a hundred Russian soldiers, the “defenders” would still proclaim it a brilliant move and accuse critics of being “libtards,” “defeatists,” “traitors,” “grifters” and “morons.” Martyanov is an example of such a “defender” in Western alt-media, but there are many such lunatics in Russia, too. We call them “okhranota.”
Posted by: S | Apr 8 2024 18:48 utc | 217 Now that everyone knows who Ruslan Pukhov is, I ask everyone once again to read his article on the lessons of the two years of the SMO: Posted by: S | Apr 8 2024 18:52 utc | 218 Still, bad news for all you Western haters it won’t last, whether it recovers before the effects are irreversible is another matter. Again never bet against the West, a reason I suspect for the hatred that seethes that bubbles up in some posts here, because they fear this period of transcendence will only be fleeting. Posted by: UWDude | Apr 8 2024 19:23 utc | 219 @S 218 Posted by: pxx | Apr 8 2024 19:32 utc | 220 Think Pukhov is a “bookworm”? Alright.
Posted by: S | Apr 8 2024 19:37 utc | 221 sean the leprechaun | Apr 8 2024 16:09 utc | 190 Posted by: Rhymerez | Apr 8 2024 19:38 utc | 222 Posted by: S | Apr 8 2024 18:52 utc | 218 Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 8 2024 19:39 utc | 223 Posted by: S | Apr 8 2024 19:37 utc | 221 Posted by: UWDude | Apr 8 2024 19:52 utc | 224 Some more: Posted by: UWDude | Apr 8 2024 20:03 utc | 225 @225 Posted by: paddy | Apr 8 2024 20:32 utc | 226 Motion for Palestine to join UN: @224 Posted by: paddy | Apr 8 2024 20:41 utc | 228 S | Apr 8 2024 18:48 utc | 217 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 8 2024 20:53 utc | 229 Posted by: anonposter | Apr 8 2024 17:20 utc | 202 Posted by: Milites | Apr 8 2024 20:54 utc | 230 S | Apr 8 2024 19:37 utc | 221 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 8 2024 21:24 utc | 231 Posted by: Milites | Apr 8 2024 20:54 utc | 230 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 8 2024 21:25 utc | 232 Interesting video for anyone genuinely interested in the operation of tanks in Ukraine and ticks most of the boxes I’ve covered in numerous posts, especially about the adaptability and evolution of armoured doctrine in the SMO. Posted by: Milites | Apr 8 2024 21:25 utc | 233 The generic West: “We’ve printed more currency! Yay, we can buy millions of shells to send to Ukraine!” Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 8 2024 22:01 utc | 234 Posted by: S | Apr 8 2024 18:52 utc | 218 Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 8 2024 22:17 utc | 235 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 8 2024 21:25 utc | 232 Posted by: Milites | Apr 8 2024 22:17 utc | 236 Milites | Apr 8 2024 21:25 utc | 233 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 8 2024 22:24 utc | 237
Reminds me of this story: Superiority by Arthur C. Clarke, text at https://metallicman.com/laoban4site/superiority-by-arthur-c-clarke-full-text/ Posted by: pessoa | Apr 8 2024 22:38 utc | 238 @S $221 Posted by: Richard L | Apr 8 2024 23:42 utc | 239 Ukronazi front line soldiers abusing one of their own mentally unfit to serve, yet gang pressed into service anyway. Note the US gear he’s wearing. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 8 2024 23:43 utc | 240 More of the stunning morale and upstanding character in the UAF. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 8 2024 23:46 utc | 241 Milites | Apr 8 2024 22:17 utc | 236 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 9 2024 0:05 utc | 242 Some old chinese guy made an interesting analysis of theinsane pronoucements being made by the west to the effect that when zelensky alludes to the possibility of seeking possible compromise with Russia, it is not that he is finally coming to his senses, but rather is a theat to the west imply that if they dont come through with more “aid” then he will have no choice. And one thing that the west cannot accept is Ukraine negotiating with Russia. Posted by: jared | Apr 9 2024 0:08 utc | 243 pessoa | Apr 8 2024 22:38 utc | 238 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 9 2024 0:12 utc | 244 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 8 2024 22:24 utc | 237 Posted by: Milites | Apr 9 2024 0:19 utc | 245 ar is not politics by other means; War and Politics are Economics by other means. Posted by: Nema Nischta | Apr 9 2024 0:38 utc | 246 Now that everyone knows who Ruslan Pukhov is, I ask everyone once again to read his article on the lessons of the two years of the SMO: Posted by: Newbie | Apr 9 2024 0:45 utc | 247 “In one way, the first Cold War was a freezing out of the Naughty Country who wouldn’t join the western capitalist system, just like NK is. Present day sanctions are the hybrid war Putin talks about. Even beyond any ceasfire, sanctions will remain, not as an SMO punishment but as an isolating mechanism.” Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 9 2024 0:45 utc | 248 Milites | Apr 9 2024 0:19 utc | 245 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 9 2024 1:21 utc | 249 Alex Mercouris on THE DURAN mentioned Western media reports where UKR had openly admitted (failed) commando raids against Zaporozhie power plant in the past. I must have missed those reports. Posted by: AG | Apr 9 2024 1:32 utc | 250 whirlX | Apr 9 2024 1:21 utc | 249 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 9 2024 1:55 utc | 251 You do know that most people in the west believe all this – and it is not going to ever stop. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 9 2024 1:56 utc | 252 Sometimes, Canuck, I think you disagree and post just to see your name in lights. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 9 2024 2:03 utc | 253 Three Nato armies destroyed, a huge number of east European soviet and Nato weapons destroyed, exceptionally low civilian casualties, attrition ratio exceptionally favorable to Russia… Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 9 2024 2:07 utc | 254 Posted by: S | Apr 8 2024 18:52 utc | 218 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 9 2024 2:26 utc | 255 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 8 2024 17:08 utc | 198 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 9 2024 2:33 utc | 256 Peter AU1 | Apr 9 2024 1:55 utc | 251 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 9 2024 2:44 utc | 257 ZH has a posting up with the title
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 9 2024 2:54 utc | 258 The more NATO depletes its own arms stockpiles, the more afraid they are of Russia invading them, and for good reason. Posted by: UWDude | Apr 9 2024 3:09 utc | 259 @ Nema Nischta | Apr 9 2024 0:38 utc | 246 Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 9 2024 3:15 utc | 260 RE the comments on the beginning of the SMO and articles posted etc Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 9 2024 3:35 utc | 261 Nema Nischta | Apr 9 2024 0:38 utc | 246 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 9 2024 3:58 utc | 262 I am an intelligent and discerning individual,###### Posted by: PalmaSailor | Apr 9 2024 4:25 utc | 263 WTF did Putin et al think they were doing? Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 9 2024 4:55 utc | 264 (Hat tip to Babel-17, rereading Zelazny goes down well.) Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 9 2024 5:39 utc | 265 Who says NATO can´t change it´s rules in ways to accept UKR? Posted by: AG | Apr 9 2024 5:51 utc | 266 Posted by: AG | Apr 9 2024 1:32 utc | 250 Posted by: Jan Sobieski | Apr 9 2024 6:10 utc | 267
Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2024 6:34 utc | 268
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Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2024 6:51 utc | 272 Russia is demographically screwed. Believing the country could afford to lose more than a thousand young people per year in an endless war is delusional. Posted by: Eklipsë | Apr 9 2024 6:57 utc | 273 Posted by: Nema Nischta | Apr 9 2024 0:38 utc | 246 Posted by: Aarsupilani | Apr 9 2024 7:02 utc | 274 If Russia is now able to attack Chasov Yar from 3 directions as Down South reported above, it would seem its days are numbered. Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 9 2024 7:18 utc | 275 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 8 2024 17:35 utc | 206 Posted by: anonposter | Apr 9 2024 7:23 utc | 276 As for the USA, it has already lost interest. The USA is in a state of shock looking for a scape goat. Posted by: rk | Apr 9 2024 7:33 utc | 277 @Jan Sobieski 267 Posted by: AG | Apr 9 2024 8:00 utc | 278 The latest news letter by Stratedela Substack on everything regarding WMDs as seen from Moscow. Posted by: AG | Apr 9 2024 8:11 utc | 279 Posted by: UWDude | Apr 9 2024 3:09 utc | 259 Posted by: joey_n | Apr 9 2024 8:17 utc | 280 the return of Trump to the White House. By the fall, Russia is “planning a peak of military action in order to finally finish off Biden’s rating and persuade Americans to choose the isolationist Trump.” Posted by: UWDude | Apr 9 2024 8:30 utc | 281 Brian is on top. As always. Posted by: Виктор | Apr 9 2024 8:37 utc | 282 Does Russia practice ‘collective punishment’ as a policy like the USA and Israel do? Posted by: UWDude | Apr 9 2024 8:41 utc | 283
seeing how the usa, according to pyatt, intend to “make sure its dead in the water” with regards to novateks lng2, im starting to believe that that is exactly what the usa wants. Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 9 2024 8:44 utc | 284 Posted by: anonposter | Apr 9 2024 7:23 utc | 276 Posted by: Milites | Apr 9 2024 9:03 utc | 285 Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 9 2024 8:44 utc | 284 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 9 2024 9:07 utc | 286 Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 9 2024 8:44 utc | 284 Posted by: UWDude | Apr 9 2024 9:14 utc | 287 Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2024 6:37 utc | 269 Posted by: Milites | Apr 9 2024 9:20 utc | 288 Re: Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 8 2024 22:17 utc | 235
I’m sorry what?!? Posted by: Julian | Apr 9 2024 9:32 utc | 289 I’m sorry what?!? Posted by: UWDude | Apr 9 2024 10:41 utc | 290 Re: Transnistria
Transnistria is landlocked and surrounded by hostile Moldova and Ukraine. I have always wondered how do the Russian troops stationed in Transnistria get to and from Transnistria? Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 9 2024 10:56 utc | 291 Easy way to get to Odessa is convince some disgruntled Ukrainian colonel with roots in south Ukraine to go rogue and declare himself and his brigade to be new rulers of People’s Republic of Odessa/Nikolaiv under Russian protection and with Russia paying Russian level salaries to all soldiers and officials in the new republic. Zelensky/Ermak have been purging the officer corps of potential rebels but a purged officer is still dangerous if the enlisted men and junior officers of his former brigade are disgusted at being used as cannon fodder, and many brigades are increasingly full of such disgusted soldiers. Posted by: anonposter | Apr 9 2024 11:26 utc | 292 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OvAweDI7SQ Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 9 2024 11:40 utc | 293 WhirlX: Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 9 2024 11:44 utc | 294 Stealth? When the Russia say they can see an Israeli F35 from the moment it is taking off, I would tend to believe them. And anything that can be seen can be hit. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 9 2024 11:47 utc | 295 USA stealth aircraft (piloted by USA pilots) would be deadly against Russian aircraft for the same reason: USA can “see” Russians much, much better than Russians could possibly see USA aircraft. However, USA isn’t sending its stealth aircraft to Ukraine, much less with USA pilots. It’s not even sending F16s, and it’s downright stingy on the other gear it sends. But it was never stingy with ISR data, perhaps because CIA can authorize data feeds whereas military has to authorize actual equipment deliveries. Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 9 2024 12:33 utc | 296 Posted by: Milites | Apr 9 2024 9:03 utc | 285 Posted by: Grishka | Apr 9 2024 12:54 utc | 297 In one way, the first Cold War was a freezing out of the Naughty Country who wouldn’t join the western capitalist system, just like NK is. Present day sanctions are the hybrid war Putin talks about. Even beyond any ceasfire, sanctions will remain, not as an SMO punishment but as an isolating mechanism. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2024 13:14 utc | 298 At this point, the sanctions remaining say more about the inability of the West to escalate kinetically and a lot of bureaucratic inertia. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 9 2024 13:30 utc | 299 Posted by: Nema Nischta | Apr 9 2024 0:38 utc | 246
Posted by: rk | Apr 9 2024 7:33 utc | 277
Like it didn’t happen in Afghanistan. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Apr 9 2024 13:39 utc | 300 |
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