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April 5, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-099

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

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Posted by: g wiltek | Apr 5 2024 14:57 utc | 8
Posted by: Engineer-John | Apr 5 2024 23:16 utc | 99
My three young nephews know more about what’s going on in the world than the vast majority of my generation.
I can assure you that they and their generation won’t be volunteering to fight in any war.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Apr 5 2024 23:41 utc | 101

Ukraine’s largest book chain publishes memoirs of a Croatian Nazi (RIA Novosti, March 31, 2024 — in Russian)

The largest book chain in the Ukraine started selling the memoirs of the Croatian fascist and ally of Adolf Hitler Ante Pavelić, the head of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee Eduard Dolinskiy drew attention to this fact, writes Strana.ua.
“Pavelić was the head of the puppet government of Croatia, an ally of Nazi Germany in 1941–1945, the executioner of Jews, Serbs and Gypsies,” he said.
Dolinskiy added that Pavelić has the blood of more than 30 thousand Croatian Jews on his hands, most of whom were killed in the Jasenovac concentration camp.
However, he continued, these terrible moments are not mentioned in the fascist’s memoirs, and the book’s annotation only writes about the “struggle for the independence of Croatia,” which he led. The book chain is thus engaged in whitewashing Nazi crimes and denying the Holocaust, concluded the head of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee.
The title of the book is the motto of the Nazi far-right organization during World War II, the Ustaše.
Ante Pavelić was a Croatian politician and statesman of radical nationalist persuasion, the founder and leader of the fascist Ustaše organization. Yugoslav communist authorities blamed him for organizing the mass extermination of 700,000 civilians during the war. After the defeat of the German troops, Pavelić fled to Austria. In 1945, he was sentenced to death in absentia. He was hiding in Italy, Argentina and Spain and died in 1959.

Posted by: S | Apr 5 2024 23:46 utc | 102

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 5 2024 23:33 utc | 100

.. Fourth, maybe there is a globalist faction trying to bring the US down working against a neocon-Zionationalist faction still trying to dominate the world? ..

But re-question:
Who is or would be really able to bring back in active mode this “globalist faction trying to bring the US down working against a neocon-Zionationalist” ?
All here cannot know – because all here are not being part of any current future plannings/strategies, whether by US/UK, CIA/MI6 Nuland guys, nor by the EU-Macron-Style or by Borell/EU-vd.Liars styles ..
Those above mentioned persons + “Adjacents” must all have first to be “eliminated”.
Otherwise, no future peaceful living possible.
Think about – Miss Terror Nulands, Mr. new AI / Corona Giant B. Gates, Mr. Trans-Human Musk, etc. ..

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Apr 5 2024 23:55 utc | 103

Posted by: Milites | Apr 5 2024 21:42 utc | 74
Do not hesitate for a moment in thinking that these elites will not stab their psychotic, sycophantic clowns, when the door is kicked in, claiming they not only helped him rid the land of their toxic governance, but that they always supported him, all the while looking for an opportunity to disarm and remove their nemesis in waiting and his entourage.

Screenwriter by any chance?!
Thxs for another cool, trenchant, imaginative post…
Personally, I lament the loss of life in Ukraine and Palestine, not to mention degradations and depredations world wide. If it weren’t for those unpleasant realities suffered by so many ordinary people, all these shenanigans would be more bearable – various elites duking it out for dominance …. ho-hum.
That said, am happy the European farmers landed a victory, like the Canadian truckers in early 2022. The working class is always the most powerful but it rarely can come together in an organized mass of directed force.
It’s also neat how Trump’s vote demographics in latest Rasmussen are showing a significant swing of young, blacks, hispanics and independents. The underlying nation is NOT divided by race, identity and so forth so it can still be saved and renewed if/when they come together.
That said, the upper level political system – courts, legislature, MICIMATT etc. – is so endemically corrupted that it is very hard for a rising mass wave, looking increasingly likely, to realize what it needs and wants.
Interesting times…

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 5 2024 23:58 utc | 104

Russia must learn from Iran, North Korea and Sweden to have underground hangers for military planes.
It doesn’t cost much and can be done. Savings are much higher.
NATO drone threat will not go away even after the war ends.

Posted by: Jason | Apr 6 2024 0:07 utc | 105

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Apr 5 2024 23:55 utc | 103
I linked a piece by Dugin about how the whole Western world is going to Hell. He traces some of the philosophical-religious-political-cultural reasons for it but it boils down to a civilization losing its core essence. Once that happens – and clearly it has with us – then what we have is wheels within wheels spinning out of synch, disharmonious, increasingly fragmented – ‘madly off in all directions’.
One possible positive from this unholy mess is that these disparate elements negate each other making for dystopic inertia. We see evidence of this all the time in basic things like how long it takes to solve problems. How would Russia or China handle the bridge incident in Maryland compared to the US? Probably the latter will take a long time whereas the former would rebuild in a few months.
In any case, perhaps everything is so muddled now that no one power faction can really dominate as much as it wants. (I doubt this myself – because look how relatively easy it was to bring in ten million illegals with basically zero push back – but it’s a possible positive.)

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 0:12 utc | 106

Posted by: bevin | Apr 5 2024 22:31 utc | 89
Whereas the Iranian government’s attempts to acquire the same weapons are benign? No, my central point, as a former leftist, is that we were encouraged people to be afraid, to make it a central point of our lives, whilst being reassured that it was normal behaviour, not nascent neuroticism. My conservative friends and colleagues, especially those in the the military, on the other hand adopted a far calmer attitude, a blend of fatalism, trust in the instincts of human survival, and compartmentalisation, which not only proved correct, but seemed, even then, to be a more productive position.
I’ve noticed this phenomenon reappear, regarding many modern issues, and was one of the reasons I turned my back on a philosophy that promises a future heaven on earth but makes sure the builders are miserable during its construction. Fear of Ukraine plunging the world into the abyss of nuclear fire, morphs with fear of any change in the climate, COVID, or words that might offend people. This encouragement to also endlessly self-flagellate, as well as be scared, are traditional methods of authoritarian control, so I instinctively reject them and adopting a skeptical posture, until presented with clear evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 6 2024 0:13 utc | 107

Posted by: ossi | Apr 5 2024 17:33 utc | 40
Everything really depends on what sort of army Nato brings to Ukraine.
So it’s hard to see how Nato could meaningfully make a difference in Ukraine and why Russia couldn’t counter or neutralize most effects from Nato efforts in Ukraine.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2024 17:47 utc | 43
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Russia is taking the threat of Euro forces coming into the war seriously. I suspect Russia has built up a large reserve for that eventuality – re the several hundred thousand idle troops.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2024 18:31 utc | 52
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Obviously, it would be an enormous morale booster for Russians if a Nato force would come to the front, because they view Nato as a terrorist organization and would love nothing more than start blasting them in the same quantities as the ukies.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2024 21:56 utc | 79
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There is a lot of posturing going on as if they have no other ideas. I can see limited individual nation contributions to be withdrawn quickly when bloodied. Their militaries, with exception of the UK can see that the end is near. Flying ISR like hawks circling for a prey is what hawks do. Handwringing, going through empty motions is what politicians do.
They are not smart enough to cover their hiney. I don’t see how Blinken can escape any blame and he still has the NuttanYahoo albatross to deal with. The Western military are quite aware that there is a huge Russian army standing by incase NATO has some more really bad ideas. They might just all be buying time until they can all Blame Trump.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Apr 6 2024 0:14 utc | 108

Honzo | Apr 5 2024 19:00 utc | 58
You write thoughtfully. The term hegemon would not be used extensively in International Relations if it wasn’t a useful shorthand.
When France lost its hegemony at Waterloo to the UK, it wasn’t some sub-group of France who lost power. France, as a unit, lost power projection and the UK, as all power is relative, gained it.
It wasn’t just the Prussian aristocracy or German heavy industry that lost at Kursk and Berlin. All Germany did.
IR uses states as units because it is a useful abstraction.

Posted by: Talleyrand | Apr 6 2024 0:21 utc | 109

@ It wasn’t just the Prussian aristocracy or German heavy industry that lost at Kursk and Berlin. All Germany did.
IR uses states as units because it is a useful abstraction.
Posted by: Talleyrand | Apr 6 2024 0:21 utc | 109
Well, we are back in action around Kursk again – ‘spose the hegemonically inclined Germanic genes in Annaleena and Ursula have been reactivated – the poor dears!
… here is a little refresher [25 mins, and noting that many aspects of the battle remain contested to this day ..] as Russian tanks get ready to once again roll into Kharkov!
Why Germany Lost the Battle of Kursk 1943 (WW2 Documentary)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etIL-f8NfIc
# On NATO troops …
[as distinct from all those NATO crews on gardening leave and operational duties in Ukraine for 15/20 years who, sadly, tend to die from natural causes or dastardly accidents while supposedly on vacation in some exotic location]
… directly entering the theatre of war ….
Stuff, Nonsense and Political Bluster – RF would destroy them and RF now has escalation dominance – it would simply be madness
Maybe possible in 2014 – most certainly not now.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 6 2024 0:58 utc | 110

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 0:12 utc | 106

.. We see evidence of this all the time in basic things like how long it takes to solve problems. ..
.. We see evidence of this all the time in basic things like how long it takes to solve problems. ..

Yes, you’re right concerning the fact that “Eastern-Asia” Govs and RF are probally more efficient to restore some “broken” heritage buildings. But here (this forum) we are discussing, whether or not beside this UKR/RF war could be any ‘Diplomatic solution’ by means of a sudden “Fire pause” all over currently active combat lines.
Where is the today’s “Power” to stop UKR/Nazis Mafia or to be eliminated – forever?
Yes, you’re right concerning the fact that “Eastern-Asia” Govs and RF are probally more efficient to restore some “broken” heritage buildings. But here (this forum) we are discussing, whether or not beside this UKR/RF war could be any ‘Diplomatic solution’ by means of a sudden “Fire pause” all over currently active combat lines.
So, what a “Stop” of firing by either side can bring some civilian inhabitants not to mass-like fleeing out of their towns (ref. videos on Karkhiv motorways)?
Where is the today’s “Power” to stop UKR/Nazis Mafia to be eliminated – forever ?
Jesus may know.
“How would Russia or China handle the bridge incident in Maryland compared to the US?”
A reliable question: Assumed Factor 1/8 in favor of RF/China. (Engineering proofs desired/available?)

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Apr 6 2024 1:11 utc | 111

I linked a piece by Dugin about how the whole Western world is going to Hell. He traces some of the philosophical-religious-political-cultural reasons for it but it boils down to a civilization losing its core essence.
The four pillars of The West were Christianity, Greek Realism, Roman Patriarchy, and Roman Rule by Law. All four have been overthrown by the Cultural Marxism.

Posted by: JackG | Apr 6 2024 1:22 utc | 112

Posted by: Talleyrand | Apr 5 2024 15:52 utc | 14
Is nuclear war really on the table?
Posted by: Milites | Apr 5 2024 16:32 utc | 21
Watch, as they quietly assassinate all the current shibboleths
of the progressive left, or their assassination by MAGA, is enabled.
Posted by: DrWho | Apr 5 2024 16:32 utc | 22
Sick Britannia is here to stay
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 5 2024 16:33 utc | 23
so ..this ..[war].. will include nukes
IOW the gangsters in charge of Russia and China will not chose to die for a cause ..
<= But I think the Gangsters in-charge are one big well interconnected global mafia with specialist embedded to control each of the different NATO connected nation state governments and they will go balls-to-the- wall with knee-breaking actions (nukes).. .. Humanity on both sides is to be destroyed! <=Ukraine and Gaza prove that. Say your prayers! The DONs (hidden in banks, corporations,and NGOS and tax free islands ) are not opportunist elites, most are animals of the worse kind; organized in a collective club with purpose to take-over and control this world. We are doomed unless Russia gives up and China ceases and desists, How likely is either? Wake up world before a nuke comes your way? Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 5 2024 17:03 utc | 31 The only and best cure for such cancers upon the world is eventual multipolarity <=multi polarity balances things only so long all sides are equally rational but when one side is irrational, multi polarity incites the irrational to produce more irrationality. a sore loser card player murders all his fellow players. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2024 17:13 utc | 34 The oligarchy rulers might be psychopathic enough to use nukes, thinking: 'If we cannot have the world, no one can'. <= i don't think there is any might to it.. Nukes are certain to be used, unless Russia gives up and China ceases and desists. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 5 2024 19:27 utc | 61 How many world leaders should be killed for Russia to save more Russian lives? <= some would say "as many as it takes"?

Posted by: snake | Apr 6 2024 1:30 utc | 113

Only to remind here:
The Cargo-Ship crash on ‘the bridge incident in Maryland ‘
was NOT a failure of any machine officers.
The Bridge guys obiously made a “mistake”, so the Cargo-Vessel directly was targeted the pillow/pillar of that holy bridge.
Why straight-ahead that course – exactly +/- 50 Meters – tha target – since 5 minutes straight ahead ?
THAT was an attack -Sure. But noone would give further report – still today.

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Apr 6 2024 1:45 utc | 114

The four pillars of The West were Christianity, Greek Realism, Roman Patriarchy, and Roman Rule by Law. All four have been overthrown by the Cultural Marxism.
Posted by: JackG | Apr 6 2024 1:22 utc | 112
Corny Thesis.
War and slavery were more important than all those combined, especially over the entire history of “the west”.
“Roman rule of Law” is an oxymoron, “Greek Realism” sounds logical but isnt, and certainly not any kind of “pillar” of the west, and “Christianity” is as nebulous as “the west”.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 1:50 utc | 115

John Helmer’s latest, in which he interprets the Crocus Hall attack as an attempt to encourage racial tensions within Russia is well worth the minimal energy involved in following the link to
https://johnhelmer.net/ukraine-plan-of-crocus-city-hall-attack-to-start-ethnic-pogroms-civil-war-in-russia/

Posted by: bevin | Apr 6 2024 1:58 utc | 116

Posted by: bevin | Apr 6 2024 1:58 utc | 116
My theory as well. Wont read it, but it is what i think crocus was about.
Wait for russian vigilante revenge attacks against muslim migrants, megaphone across muslim and western world, encourage/help another muslim attack, with end game being disenfranchisement of bordering ‘stans re: Rissia, from which to foment color revolutions to create bases for more attacks in Russia, eventually making south and eastern Russia ungovernable.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 2:04 utc | 117

I wouldn’t have to be in the situation of the “Navy Pilot” – even he’s living any more to overcome “that moments” – CIA/FBI Go on this case, as ever precisely “targeted” in Your own interest sections …
Haha, FBI is going towards court .. haha – laughing ..

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Apr 6 2024 2:07 utc | 118

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 1:50 utc | 115
Yep. Not to mention there is no such thing as Cultural Marxism or anything Marxist about the USA or West. End stage capitalism is where we are at.
Not advocating for communism, it leads to the same place as capitalism, but throwing around words that have no meaning or relation to the problems at hand, make sure problems stay problems.
Not that it matters at this point. Things are coming crashing down whether we use proper terminology or not.

Posted by: Eclavdra | Apr 6 2024 2:12 utc | 119

the latest “crazy” guys with their meanings I’ve sampled acc.to this UKR-WAR subject of WAR RF/UKR civilians, is that we’ll follow that onging war course against our ever own home-land in UKRANIA – even being killed by a drone attack.
That’s it.

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Apr 6 2024 2:19 utc | 120

Finally took a short break from my vacation to post this new article, “Crooke: The Art of War: Different Thinking Systems,” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/crooke-the-art-of-war-different-thinking
A short must read.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 6 2024 2:32 utc | 121

I’ll tentatively make a prediction, based on various current indicators, the end will come a lot quicker than many expect. It’s not hard really, as Ukraine is following the trajectory of the loser, Russia the victor.
Posted by: Milites |Previous Ukr Thread | Apr 5 2024

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 6 2024 2:56 utc | 122

Re: Posted by: Pierrot | Apr 5 2024 22:30 utc | 88

The SMO is almost over and 98% successful. Russia has won.

Laughable.
98% over? Russia only controls 20% or so of Ukrainian territory!
If you’re talking about “days”.
The war has been going for 774 days.
774 days is 98% of 790.
I’ll be generous and make that 800 days.
You expect Russia to declare victory in this month of April with Ukraine destroyed?
Your belief is completely DELUSIONAL.
I’ll give you a tip – this Russia war against Ukraine will continue beyond April.

Posted by: Julian | Apr 6 2024 3:00 utc | 123

You expect Russia to declare victory in this month of April with Ukraine destroyed? Your belief is completely DELUSIONAL.
Posted by: Julian | Apr 6 2024 3:00 utc | 123

Lol. Your own term “… Russia to declare victory …” is dumber than delusional. This is not some MMA or tennis match where any one side or the referee will be declaring some end to the contest, raising the winner’s arm, and then Putin strutting about all self satisfied air punching his win. You have a head full of fantasy imagery, Julian. It will only be for Ukraine to wilfully, humiliatingly, declare a surrender to Russia’s terms and conditions or else be pummelled out of existence, and Ukraine’s collective of little friends to go along with it, all while declaring they did not lose!!!
THAT is the trickiest construction for the West, to engineer some fanciful endgame situation and MSM narrative that howls “See, we did beat Russia after all”.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 6 2024 4:38 utc | 124

Re: Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 6 2024 4:38 utc | 124
Ever heard of VE Day? Victory in Europe.
The Allies declared victory.
Ever heard of VJ or VP Days? Victory over Japan / Victory in the Pacific.
The Allies declared victory.
Those victories were accepted by all combatants – they weren’t challenged.
Would you argue with that?
If you agree with that – then you know what victory looks like.
There was NO victory in Korea for instance – the Korean War goes on – although it is not currently active.
Anything short of what happened at the end of World War II is simply not a victory – and anyone claiming so is deluded – the war will go on.
I don’t see Russia proclaiming such a victory anytime soon – certainly not this year – do you?
By the way – I pretty much agree with your previous post 100%.
The Ukrainian AF will not collapse in the next few wells, or even the next few months.

Posted by: Julian | Apr 6 2024 5:01 utc | 125

S | Apr 5 2024 23:46 utc | 102
Thanks for the link.
The Ustashe were the nastiest of all the collaborators, They probably have lots of support on this board though.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 6 2024 5:13 utc | 126

📋🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Two Majors #Report for the Morning of 6 April 2024; pub. 07:03📍
🎯The RFAF, In the morning, launched a combined attack with sea- and air-based missile weapons, as well as the Geran UAV, on enemy targets in the #Kiev, #Khmelnitsky and #Zaporozhye regions. FABS with UMPC are used not only to demolish enemy positions on the frontline, but also for regular destruction of targets at a distance of up to 90 km in the #Kharkov and Sumy regions. Earlier in the day, it was reported about a strike on the Motor-Sich Plant in #Zaporozhye and an electric substation in the #Odessa region.
🔹In the #Kherson direction, the AFU tried to land a small group of river troops to create a new point of tension on our shore, as they write from the field, unsuccessfully. In addition, another AFU boat on the #Dnieper was destroyed. There are mutual strikes by artillery and drones, the frontline is unchanged.
🔹On the #Zaporozhye front, heavy fighting in the center of Rabotino is being conducted for every strong point. Northwest of #Verbovoye, the RFAF are expanding the control zone, our aviation is working with heavy aerial bombs. The enemy is building a 2nd line of defence near #Orekhov, where FABs also regularly arrive.
🔹In the #Vremyevka sector, the RFAF are pushing the enemy out of strong points west of #Staromayorskoye, in general, the battles are positional in nature, assault groups are periodically sent out.
🔹In #Novomikhaylovka, there is a battle for every house, the RFAF are pushing the enemy. #Krasnogorovka is reported to have resumed active operations. Our units are operating on the southern outskirts.
🔹At #ChasovYar’s eastern outskirts, the Russian Army achieves success in the heaviest battles. The AFU is being pulled back from #Bogdanovka, the fortified area in the eastern part of #ChasovYar is being leveled by our troops with artillery and FABs, which have become a true horror for the AFU. The enemy command is planning the main stage of the enemy’s defence in the western part of the city behind the Seversky Donets – Donbass water canal.
🔹In the #KrasnyLiman sector, they report on the advance of the RFAF to the outskirts of #Terny.
💥The #Belgorod region is under fire again. In the morning, the AFU hit #Belgorod. Windows were broken and the facade was cut in the building of the Children’s Polyclinic No. 4 of #Belgorod, arrivals in the area of the Gallery Shopping Center, residential buildings in different parts of the city, Photos with a fire in the private sector diverge. Yesterday, a drone attacked a peaceful tractor near #Shebekino, a civilian received minor injuries. #Vyazovoye of the Krasnoyaruzhsky district, the village of #Krasnoye in the Shebekinsky urban district were shelled.
💥On the #DPR’s peaceful population, the Nazis fired 125 rounds of ammunition, and 8 civilians were wounded in #Donetsk and #Gorlovka.
💥The #Zaporozhiye NPP reported the arrival of Ukrainian combat drones in the area of the cargo port and nitrogen-oxygen station, no damage to critical infrastructure was recorded.
🎬#Ugledar Direction, personnel @voin_dv – ODAB-1500, defeat of the AFU position in the area of ​​the Yuzhnodonbasskaya No. 1 Mine. The volumetric detonating aerial bomb ODAB-1500 is used by the Russian Aerospace Forces aviation. A special feature of aerial bombs is the use of liquid as an explosive, which is sprayed and set on fire.

https://t.me/two_majors/21838

Posted by: Down South | Apr 6 2024 5:21 utc | 127

Posted by: Julian | Apr 6 2024 5:01 utc | 125
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It was easy for America to make claims during WW2, the Soviets carried them over the finish line.
When was the last war the West won on its own?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 5:23 utc | 128

What is the difficulty of storming Chasov Yar?
In addition to the strategic importance of the city and the tactical features of the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there are other circumstances that prevent you from quickly getting to the city and occupying it.
The key difficulty is the terrain. Russian troops have to rise from the bottom up. Chasov Yar is located on a hill, from here the Ukrainian artillery was actively working even during the battle for Artyomovsk. Overcoming elevation changes is difficult for both people and equipment. The defending side has an advantage both in the form of relief and in terms of prepared positions.
Another difficulty is the large built-up area and its heterogeneity. Despite the fact that Chasov Yar is half the size of Avdeevka, the city has an extensive private sector, a large industrial zone and an extremely unpleasant difference in heights on which the buildings are located and through which Russian troops have yet to break through. The artillery and aerospace forces are doing a titanic amount of work to make the movement of troops inside Chasov Yar as safe as possible.
Another difficulty is the large concentration of UAV units. At the moment, there are at least 11 different unmanned aircraft units scattered near the front line near Chasov Yar.
The density and concentration of troops on both sides, although far from the scale of the Artyomovsk meat grinder, however, in terms of the ferocity and pace of battles, both operations may well be comparable.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/93727

Posted by: Down South | Apr 6 2024 5:25 utc | 129

Posted by: Julian | Apr 6 2024 3:00 utc | 123
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Why do you keep talking about territory when you know that Russia is attritting Ukrainian forces and disarming the West?
Russia was never in a war of conquest.
Do you keep talking about territory because you don’t have any other metrics for Western success?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 5:26 utc | 130

Ha! Watching Nikita season three episode five on Tubi, and Team Nikita is talking about the new strongman President of Uzbekistan, one who had been put in place as an operative by a covert agency, but who has now branched out on his own. He started out in the security services but after President Zelensky suddenly died, he took over.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 6 2024 5:31 utc | 131

Julian | Apr 6 2024 5:01 utc | 125
Victory in a World War obviously requires recognition by all. Victory in a local conflict with limited objectives can only be measured on the basis of comparing the objectives with any peace terms.
Russia’s objectives-as outlined in its explanations of the Special Military Operation’s scope and purpose- would appear to be very close to having been achieved, All that remains is for Ukraine to agree to refrain from attacks on Russian speakers and the ‘New Russia’ territories, to drop its attempts to join NATO and return to neutrality.
The problem is not that Ukraine has not been defeated-it has been, most comprehensively, but that it would take a world war to defeat all those countries who have loudly procllaimed that ‘Ukraine’s cause is our cause. It’s victory is vital to our continued existence’.
NATO has let its stupid boasting to run away with it. That is why, while none of the countries involved is likely to admit that it has been beaten, Russia has so undermined and exposed NATO’s lightminded weakness that the alliance will never recover.
Russia is close to the sort of victory that Alexander in Paris only dreamed of and Stalin found that NATO had thwarted him of. When Peace comes Europe, for the first time in a century, will no longer be pockmarked with foreign bases and garrisons.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 6 2024 5:31 utc | 132

Posted by: Julian | Apr 6 2024 5:01 utc | 125
Julian, imo, there are too many present day differences to WWII. Declaring victory is usually hubris or done after your enemy has already declared surrender. The Yanks are excellent at declaring themselves winners … especially after they’d just twice nuked an island nation they never had the guts to actually invade. Lol.
And, The Allies vs The Axis in Europe was nothing like RF (alone) fighting the collective west via Ukraine as the proxy. And again it was the US and UK declaring “their win” only after USSR spanked Germany from the East.
As I wrote before in my #122, any clear “end” is too hard to define. Imo, this SMO will have the messiest “end” ever known, due to the simple fact that the US wants a forever war against Russia — another reason why Russia can never, will never, “declare victory”. America simply will not let Russia define such a thing as victory. That would make NATO, EU, US, the losers. Sure, they’re not gunna bring Russia down, as they planned. So in those terms Russia won.
I dunno know the end, but it will not be some clear winner.
This war has escalated and broadened and gotten messier XX times in 2 years. God I wish people would just patiently follow it day by day and STOP wanking on about winning and losing and “collapsing any day now”. Everyone wants to be a fkn soothsayer. Everyone wants to say “I know…” and be proven right down the track. It’s a massive wank. Yet the simple fact is that NOBODY knows what even tomorrow will bring.
Over and out.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 6 2024 5:59 utc | 133

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 1:50 utc | 115
“War and slavery were more important than all those combined, especially over the entire history of ‘the west’.”
War and slavery are universal features of human history. Greek culture, Roman law, and Christian spirituality are unique to the West.
The OP’s claim stands: “The four pillars of The West were Christianity, Greek Realism, Roman Patriarchy, and Roman Rule by Law. All four have been overthrown by the Cultural Marxism.”

Posted by: Jan Sobieski | Apr 6 2024 6:15 utc | 134

Posted by: bevin | Apr 6 2024 5:31 utc | 132
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There are similarities between the American proxies in Ukraine and Israel.
Both wouldn’t last a month without American patronage, and both are Nazi regimes.
Is there a third American-sponsored Nazi regime out there we should be keeping an eye on?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 6:15 utc | 135

Ukraine Weekly Update, 5th April 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-7c0 (sorry it’s late).

Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Apr 6 2024 6:51 utc | 136

re: karlof1 | Apr 6 2024 2:32 utc | 121
Thanks for sharing the link, love your analysis.
“The dysfunctional nations and peoples are those living on myths and magical thinking that allows for the construction of a false reality. They’re blind to the fact that they’re sawing the limb they’re sitting on from the tree holding them up because they think gravity doesn’t exist for them, that somehow they’re immune from natural forces and their reality.”

Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 6 2024 7:13 utc | 137

NATO has let its stupid boasting to run away with it. That is why, while none of the countries involved is likely to admit that it has been beaten, Russia has so undermined and exposed NATO’s lightminded weakness that the alliance will never recover.
Posted by: bevin | Apr 6 2024 5:31 utc | 132
Somehow, so far, nato has no losses (ignore a few hundred soldiers, that’s still zero). In fact, the smo is so badly managed and designed it failed in the first six months, when “gestures of goodwill” and premanent retreating started and never stopped. Today Russia admits not only France will arrive ( tass.com/politics/1771419 ). nato is so “defeated” there’s a long waiting line? And when Finland plans to nuke you, you know you are at the bottom level of the bottom level ( tass.com/politics/1771371 )

Posted by: rk | Apr 6 2024 7:26 utc | 138

Re: Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 5:23 utc | 128

It was easy for America to make claims during WW2, the Soviets carried them over the finish line.
When was the last war the West won on its own?

You must be unfamiliar with the Russian celebrations of winning World War II on May 9 every year.
The Soviet Union was one of the “Allies” was it not? Have you never heard of the Lend Lease program?
I suggest you read up on World War II, it seems you are unaware of which side various countries were on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Day_(9_May)

Posted by: Julian | Apr 6 2024 7:36 utc | 139

Posted by: rk | Apr 6 2024 7:26 utc | 137
“And when Finland plans to nuke you”
Hmm, when did Finland test it’s nuclear weapon?

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Apr 6 2024 7:37 utc | 140

Re: Posted by: bevin | Apr 6 2024 5:31 utc | 132

Russia’s objectives-as outlined in its explanations of the Special Military Operation’s scope and purpose- would appear to be very close to having been achieved, All that remains is for Ukraine to agree to refrain from attacks on Russian speakers and the ‘New Russia’ territories, to drop its attempts to join NATO and return to neutrality.
The problem is not that Ukraine has not been defeated-it has been, most comprehensively, but that it would take a world war to defeat all those countries who have loudly procllaimed that ‘Ukraine’s cause is our cause. It’s victory is vital to our continued existence’.

Ukraine has not been defeated! How you can even make that claim is ridiculous.
Just who is it that Russia is fighting a grinding war with in Donbas? That’s right – Donbas.
There are no Russian troops in Kherson city! None in Kharkiv! None in Zaporizhzhia city! None in Odessa, none even in Kiev!
Your delusion is frankly breathtaking.
Do you think Russia is fighting nobody and the whole thing is for show?

Posted by: Julian | Apr 6 2024 7:40 utc | 141

Posted by: Julian | Apr 6 2024 7:40 utc | 140
“Just who is it that Russia is fighting a grinding war with in Donbas? That’s right – Donbas.”
Correct! The people of Donbas haven’t given up, invaders and quislings get assassinated repeatedly and will be driven out eventually.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Apr 6 2024 7:44 utc | 142

Posted by: Talleyrand | Apr 6 2024 0:21 utc | 109
IR uses states as abstraction to obfuscate the socio economic relationships under financialized capitalism.
IR loses itself in abstractions just as (neo) classical economics does:
Based on axiomatic dogmatisms they postulate observations ex post to be of any use in modelling reality or predicting future configurations.
Then it is called ‘realism’ to promote US american imperialism against china instad of russia.

Posted by: kspr | Apr 6 2024 7:56 utc | 143

War and slavery are universal features of human history.
Posted by: Jan Sobieski | Apr 6 2024 6:15 utc | 133
That’s right, and they are the main drivers of ALL civilizations. Everything else is masturbation.
Wtf even is “Roman Patriarchy”, its a stupid statement, as patriarchy is the natural order of all civilizations, and there was nothing about the “Roman Patriarchy” that “made” western civilization that “Chinese patriarchy” would not have done. There is nothing special about Christianity either, its just another religion that had different meanings and influence across eras, and Europe, Africa, America and West Asia.
Christianity both helped and hindered “western civilization”, as did Islam, and zoroastrianism, and Roman polytheism. Christianity did not even exist for a third of “the west’s” existence.
Then there is “Roman Law”, which is more wtf. Rome lasted 900 – 1800 years, depending on definition, and its legal system changed across that tine span. There is no such thing as “Roman Law”, and the most prevalent system of governance, was the same as everywhere else, rule by the sword followed by rule of dynasty followed by rule of gold and bureaucracy.
The whole statement is just some BS trying to take credit for the greatness of Rome, and mixing it up with Christianity, and then trying to tie the fall of the west with the fall of disbelief in some God.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 8:04 utc | 144

Anything short of what happened at the end of World War II is simply not a victory – and anyone claiming so is deluded – the war will go on.
Posted by: Julian | Apr 6 2024 5:01 utc | 125
Kicking USA and friends out of Vietnam – victory.
Kicking USA and friends out of Afghanistan – victory.
Kicking USA and friends out of Ukraine – will be considered a victort.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 8:10 utc | 145

Re: Posted by: Membrum Virile | Apr 6 2024 7:44 utc | 141

Correct! The people of Donbas haven’t given up, invaders and quislings get assassinated repeatedly and will be driven out eventually.

Indeed – so you admit the war is yet to be won? Well, we agree on that.
I also agree that eventually they will be driven out of Donbas.

Posted by: Julian | Apr 6 2024 8:31 utc | 146

When i heard Netherlands gave their only SAM to Ukraine, I could not help but think, as the west disarms itself in the pits of Ukraine..
…wouldn’t Russia be a fool not to keep marching beyond Ukraine, and just crush all of weaponless Europe mercilessly once Ukraine is secured?
Europe would not be able to stop them, because Russia is truing to get a the NATO bull out of the Ukrainian China shop..
..but once it is out on the street, just kill it, no mercy.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 8:34 utc | 147

Daily NATO US Brit ISR flights up and down Russia’s northern coast, back and forth across the black Sea, with test run attacks, around and around Kallingrad(sp) mapping it out daily.
NATO ISR would be seriously degraded the moment they got directly involved, and Western forces can’t fight without it.
IMHO NATO/EU/US are desperate to extend the conflict and are not above inserting a small force in Western Ukraine. I’d fully expect this force would be destroyed as Russia gave the West an immediate lesson in FAFO.
p.s.: Note that when General Tommy Franks wrote his memoir on Desert Storm he noted then that the US was no longer capable of fielding anything close to the force assembled for that conflict.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Apr 6 2024 9:48 utc | 148

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 6 2024 2:56 utc | 122
Given conflicts are usually continuations of their predecessors, and that you’ve fallen back onto the semantics defence, I’ll clarify the definition of ‘conflict’ I was using when I ‘penned’ my response. The current phase of kinetic diplomacy, regarding Ukraine, will end quicker than many predict.
As I wrote months ago, the error that creeps into people’s calculation’s, regarding the estimation of a conflict’s (remember the definition being used) longevity, is that they assume its determinant factors create historical precedents, that in turn can be converted into a calculation matrix. So, if side A took three months to take side B’s fortified town in year Y, then a year later it will still take the same amount of time, forgetting that in the intervening year the incline decline, cycle has changed. A classic example being the sudden collapse of France in 1940, that upended the British calculations and determined the direction of the war in Europe.
Chasov Yar will be a good data point, that either reinforces, or challenges this theory, with the obvious caveat that this is Russia’s main effort, and not a sneaky diversion.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 6 2024 9:55 utc | 149

I saw an interesting sight yesterday. Near a university, an upstairs flat presumably inhabited by students was displaying a Palestinian flag, a Ukrainian flag and a Belarus white-red-white flag (you know, the flag of the Western-backed “opposition”). All very SJW. I wondered whether they were ignorant that the US and Britain back both Israel and Ukraine, or whether they knew and were consciously seeking to deceive others. On pro-Palestinian demos I have occasionally seen people displaying signs with both the Ukrainian and Palestinian flags. At that point I think, “OK. They’re f**kwits.”

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 6 2024 10:08 utc | 150

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 5 2024 23:11 utc | 97
Well, Nato running recon around Kaliningrad or somewhere else makes little difference for their little proxy being crushed, which is what matters.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 6 2024 10:08 utc | 151

151 – Yes, exactly.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 6 2024 10:24 utc | 153

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 6 2024 10:08 utc | 149
I think it’s just ISCT syndrome (I Support the Current Thing) syndrome, prevalent in todays progressives, rather like the LGBGTQ for Palestine signs. No real understand of the issues, just a desperate attempt to be involved in something significant. Most leftist protests I attended were full of well meaning, but generally clueless individuals, people out with their friends for a day, or using it as a speed dating venue!

Posted by: Milites | Apr 6 2024 10:57 utc | 154

Re Julian trolling
….There are no Russian troops in Kherson city! None in Kharkiv! None in Zaporizhzhia city! None in Odessa, none even in Kiev!
Your delusion is frankly breathtaking….
There are no enememy troops in Budapest, Prague………even the Wien. ……
Hoch the Kaiser!
Julian trolling during the autumn of 1918
Kaiser hoch

Posted by: Josef Schweik | Apr 6 2024 11:27 utc | 155

Our source reports that Western intelligence services notified the Office of the President back in January that 5 cities of Ukraine were under threat at once.
Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Sumy, Chernigov, Odessa.
Now it is clearly visible in Kharkov that it is being made uninhabitable, as well as ballast for the Ukrainian economy. Next are Sumy and Zaporozhye, where the situation is already difficult. In the third stage are Chernigov and Odessa.
The source adds that there is a version that the Kremlin is trying to “kill” the domestic Ukrainian economy, which will provoke a financial disaster in the country. It turns out that the whole country will depend on Western money, and the partners will have to allocate not $3 billion, but all 10-15, to support Ukraine, since everything in Ukraine will be in a deep coma. This will hit the pockets of the “sponsors” or provoke a riot in Ukraine against the policies of Zelensky/Ermak.

https://t.me/legitimniy/17612

Posted by: Down South | Apr 6 2024 11:58 utc | 156

Posted by: Milites | Apr 6 2024 9:55 utc | 148
Mate, I didn’t “fall back on a semantic defence” at all. I simply posed the relevant questions about yours and others’ definitions about the oft-used words end, win, lose. Not to clearly define terminology renders any opinion, any argument, any prognostication as vague and unverifiable.
So often, folks do not look at the big picture with all its components. A superficial appreciation of ANYTHING rarely gives an accurate portrayal of progress or outcomes. And, I agree that military collapse can be slow and gradual, morphing exponentially, with sudden endings sooner than expected.
But if we did an MoA poll on “When do you think the SMO will end?” I’d have no idea where the median response might fall … anywhere between 2 months and 24 months! Putin has never put a time frane, saying only “the longer you outsiders support Ukraine, the longer it will take”. Shoigu once said “maybe in 2025”. Medvedev says “years, not until we’ve crushed them”. So I’m at a complete loss as to how some barflies can be betting on “by the end of this summer”.
As I said, it depends on where one is drawing their territorial, operational and strategic perimeters of “success”. That’s not semantics — it’s just realism.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 6 2024 11:58 utc | 157

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 6 2024 11:58 utc | 156
Technically, SMO might not ever end (on paper). Factually the end comes when Ukraine, instead of its 500k mobilization goal is only able to mobilize maybe 100k in the given time (like was now the case), which may be just enough to replace hollowed out units. Next time, they will mobilize 75k. Next time maybe 50k etc.
And so the logical conclusion leads to – while not the official end of SMO, the de-facto end of SMO. There might not even be any sort of negotiated conclusion at all.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 6 2024 12:12 utc | 158

Posted by: Milites | Apr 5 2024 21:42 utc | 74
Poetically framed in rhyming couplets in iamabic pentameter:
Empire Flailing
In uniting coalitions, threats abound,
Demographic shifts on battlegrounds found.
Artificial divides, Woke policies ignite,
Awakening communities with the fright.
No effete fighters, bound by rules obscure,
But mercenaries with weapons sure.
Steel, not wood, their tool in hand,
Threatening power, across the land.
Brought to knees by tactics sly,
In 2020’s echo, they rely.
Radical policies, their own demise,
Disdain for those beneath their eyes.
At the bottom table, crumbs they take,
Elite masters’ remnants, in their wake.
Nervous whispers, outside walls,
Chinking armour, as the country calls.
Incompetent guards, their only shield,
Facing a foe they cannot yield.
Elites, ready to betray their own,
When the ironclad warrior is shown.
Psychotic clowns, their puppetry done,
Stabbed by masters, one by one.
Claiming support, in treachery’s embrace,
Yet seeking to disarm, to debase.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 12:13 utc | 159

Russia’s objectives-as outlined in its explanations of the Special Military Operation’s scope and purpose- would appear to be very close to having been achieved, All that remains is for Ukraine to agree to refrain from attacks on Russian speakers and the ‘New Russia’ territories, to drop its attempts to join NATO and return to neutrality.
Posted by: bevin | Apr 6 2024 5:31 utc | 132
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I think you’re forgetting the stated goal of denazification, which, as far as I can imagine, can be accomplished in only two ways: a capitulation of the Ukrainian state to a victorious-by-definition Russia, or its overthrow by an organized homegrown anti-Nazi opposition, which as far as I can tell doesn’t exist.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 6 2024 12:20 utc | 160

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 6 2024 11:58 utc | 156
The more wide ranging your definition the longer the duration, is the simple answer. Though It’s true that you should take a holistic view on conflict, the danger then becomes, if the radii of contributory factors is drawn too large, that it ultimately becomes a self-defeating process, as no conflict would ever end, just smoulder.
As for predicting an exact time, why even bother, unless this conflict directly impacts you or a loved one. Russia is ascending, Ukraine declining, (Chasov Yar being a key indicator of the rate of both cycles) that’s all that matters for most people, because that’s when the post-conflict implications and consequences stage will really kick in. Probably also cutting and prepping the kindling for the next regional conflagration. On that depressing thought real life intervenes and I must go and live it.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 6 2024 12:24 utc | 161

Posted by: Julian | Apr 6 2024 3:00 utc | 123
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Why do you keep talking about territory when you know that Russia is attritting Ukrainian forces and disarming the West?
Russia was never in a war of conquest.
Do you keep talking about territory because you don’t have any other metrics for Western success?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 5:26 utc | 130
Your point is inarguable.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 12:25 utc | 162

Oh boy, as I said, everyone here has NATO sussed out. Once Ukie is rolled up, NATO will run home with their tail tween their legs…
…..everyone here knows NATO is a paper tiger, everything they do is so dumb, silly clowns don’t they know nothing…..too bad they didn’t hire half the commenters on this board…..they be clued in in seconds…..
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 12:45 utc | 163

Posted by: Milites | Apr 6 2024 12:24 utc | 160
You are on one hell of a roll. Wish I had all your posts collated into book form. Really magnificent stuff on every level. Thank you.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 12:58 utc | 164

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 12:45 utc | 162
I was away and could not respond to a post of yours a few days ago. Marty from America banned me (and a number of others) when I expressed disgust at the Russian withdrawal from around Kiev. Because of the abandonment of the fraternizing citizenry to Ukie reprisals. Like so much of this war, the Russian action seemed incomprehensible. To encourage regular Joe’s to take selfies…then leave them to their dates. I share your feelings about the slaughter of brothers by brothers. It seems war is the greatest of all Pandora’s boxes. Best to you.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 13:06 utc | 165

A few things to remember.
NATO in Europe is stretched logistically and monetarily trying to support Ukraine. The Russian economy remains the strongest of all European countries and has inflation well in hand.
Millions of people have fled Ukraine to the East and the West. 100s of thousands of Ukrainian men have been made 200 or 300. Likewise many NATO officers and NATO adjacent mercenaries.
Putin just resoundingly won another term, by the end of this month, Zelensky will be operating without a Constitutional mandate.
Russia won’t proactively use nukes. If Russian territory in Kaliningrad is touched, then nukes are on the table. Russia has made the world aware of its policy many times via the UN. China and African/West Asian allies won’t let people forget it.
Ukraine continues to promote “victories” without proof. They attacked a Russian “factory” that was a dormitory for foreign students. Remember, the Ukrainians are low on munitions but they always have enough ammo to shoot at civilians (rather than military targets) in Russia proper or Novorussiya.
As they cannot win on the battlefield, NATO and Ukraine have had to resort to irregular warfare like terrorism. Terrorists are usually insurgents, not the largest military in the world playing defense. I suppose one could argue that they are utilizing the full spectrum of warfare, yet their biggest successes seem to be in killing unarmed civilians, which unironically, continues to bind the Russian people closer to Putin.
That is where we are at.
The Zelensky fluffers at the bar are encouraged to respond with the facts which show that NATO has the situation well in hand and on a path to sure victory as they did in Afghanistan and Vietnam. 😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 13:09 utc | 166

everyone here knows NATO is a paper tiger, everything they do is so dumb, silly clowns don’t they know nothing…..too bad they didn’t hire half the commenters on this board…..they be clued in in seconds

Emphasis mine. Yes actually, given they seem to be advised by the likes of you. They are a bunch of strutting peacock know nothings who have become political in action instead of technical. They became yes men and now face the result of not telling the idiot politicians ‘no’.
And yes, NATO are a paper tiger. Worse, if they do get involved, their forces are going to get annihilated and probably bring the world down with them in their rage.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 6 2024 13:20 utc | 167

Posted by: S | Apr 5 2024 23:46 utc | 102
Pavelic died and is buried in Spain, Franco was happy to receive and protect his “brothers” in fascist arms. There is an interesting article in El País about her daughter, she passed away back in 2015. Unfortunately it is behind a paywall and in Spanish, but here a few machine translated paragraphs:

Visnja Pavelic, who died in 2015, was the favorite daughter of Ante Pavelic, the Croatian dictator welcomed by Franco, who died in the capital of Spain in 1959. A fascist under whose mandate, sponsored by Nazi Germany, Serbs, Jews, Gypsies and opponents were persecuted from 1941 to 1945; extermination camps were operated and more than 300,000 civilians were murdered, according to the statistics of the United States Holocaust Museum.

Posted by: Paco | Apr 6 2024 13:21 utc | 168

I share your feelings about the slaughter of brothers by brothers.
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 13:06 utc | 164

The dumbest BS in search of ways to declare NATO the winner, like “Russia killed so many Slavs that they lost even after conquering the whole Ukraine.”
When Dems come to lock Trumpers to a reeducation camp, Trumpers are not going to defend themselves, because this would mean “hurting brothers”? Who are the main enemies of Rural Americans – Equadorians?

Posted by: Poslan1 | Apr 6 2024 13:29 utc | 169

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 12:45 utc | 162
No one said Nato will run away. Merely that the proxy was de-facto the most powerful ground force of Nato. There is no way Nato can muster anything close to Ukraine for another 10 years.
Hence, resorting to terrorist actions against civilians. Another two Vampyre MLRS were bagged today as Ukraine was using them to shell Belgorod.
This is a similar obsession as the one on Crimean bridge. The rest of Su-24s are risked and taken down as they continuously attempt to strike either the bridge or Crimea.
The OODA loop exposed and predictable targeting.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 6 2024 13:49 utc | 170

Milites@160….have we not been smoldering for hundreds of years, nay, thousands? With the odd break in between? Is not the current Euro conflict just a continuation of Feudal States attempting to steal the others resources to support their exceptionalism? Perhaps too big a picture. The past having nothing to do with the future?
Cheers M
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 14:08 utc | 171

The Soviet Union was one of the “Allies” was it not? Have you never heard of the Lend Lease program?
Posted by: Julian | Apr 6 2024 7:36 utc | 138
Lend lease was more important to the Russian victory than Soviet propaganda claim but no where near as important as the Americans claim.
The German defeat in front of Moscow that nearly turned into a rout if not for Hitlers stand fast order happened before any lend lease equipment had made their way to Russia.
By December 1942 large shipments began arriving in Russia. In NOVEMBER 1942 the Soviets surrounded the 6th Army at Stalingrad handing the Germans their second major campaign defeat of the war.
Consider in 1941 the Germans had the combat power to advance along 3 axis. In 1941 they were only able to advance along a single axis and that failed. This was all before lend lease was arriving in any meaningful way.
Lend lease made the Soviet victory faster and less painful than it could have been cutting at least a year off the war. Lend Lease prevented a famine in parts of Russia however without the Red Army the only way an American could set foot on the Normandy beaches is with a German phrasebook and a tourist visa.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 6 2024 14:08 utc | 172

unimperator@169….due to the Law of Unforseen Consequences I just point out what I see actually taking place, Russia wins hands down. At what cost to a neighboring country. The human carnage.
Someone laments the killing of the elite, they worry where one might stop…..well we already know its a very small group, some say a few thousand……they’d be missed? Only if you are one of them. Actually if rather than pamper the rich Bankfrieds, the Madoff’s, let’s adopt the Chinese Model. You diddle the money and get caught, you swing in the wind. Bankers Wars? What banker? Swing them in the wind.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 14:17 utc | 173

“Lend lease made the Soviet victory faster and less painful than it could have been cutting at least a year off the war. Lend Lease prevented a famine in parts of Russia however without the Red Army the only way an American could set foot on the Normandy beaches is with a German phrasebook and a tourist visa.”
Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 6 2024 14:08 utc | 171
Excellent post.
Julian is off base, my opinion.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 14:25 utc | 174

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 12:45 utc | 162
#########
Sean, NATO isn’t dumb. They are incompetent and irrational.
How else do you explain invading the graveyard of Empires and leaving 20 years later having enmity with the previously occupied while gifting them billions in military hardware?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 14:25 utc | 175

NATO is like 30 countries dude they can bring a massive army if need be. The Third World War is well under way, if they run out of mercs the coalition of the willing is going to enter Ukraine.
The west has massive money invested in Ukraine, France is being robbed in Africa, the US is trying to bomb the Middle East back into submission and Israel wants the entire coast.
North and South Korea are still at war meaning the US still legally controls the south’s army, China is being oppressed by the west and will not be taking that shit much longer.
It all depends on how many people Russia can and will sacrifice or weather or not they call Russia’s Bluff in Ukraine.
“We are at war with Russia”
“Russia must not win”
These things are said over and over for a reason.

Posted by: OohCanada | Apr 6 2024 14:32 utc | 176

The war in Ukraine ends when Russia says it does. The new Cold War between Russia/China and the usual “West” will go on. 4 degrees will really mess up the happy status quo. We can’t help ourselves.
Quick, Pollyannas! Grab your sticks and hoes and attack!! CRY, “FUSION IS OUT THERE!!”
Whatever.

Posted by: wilsonK | Apr 6 2024 14:47 utc | 177

“NATO is like 30 countries dude they can bring a massive army if need be.”
I sincerely think only nk can bring more qualified and organized people to fight a war than the western countries can do. Western brain washed generation are doomed to fight a ww3!

Posted by: Innuendo | Apr 6 2024 14:47 utc | 178

LoveDonbass@174…isn’t the equipment junk? Not much use outside a scrap yard?
Lots of theories of why the US ran from the graveyard….my bestest guess, they already knew Ukie was blowing in the wind and were forced to make a snap decision….
….any money people, econ grift tabulators in the house…anyone want to venture a guess on the amount of graft sucked from the Ukraine via every evil under the sun from body part trafficking, live human stock…..fuck the list is huge….. bio weapons? What bio weapons?
In Afghanistan the US stabilized, then restarted the illegal drug trade….dozens of pics with allied troops strolling through poppy fields. Protection racket?
Now last I read, might be lies, Talibs are not destroying the existing fields, they are managing them…..ffs, ain’t commerce grand?
NATO is not dumb. They are incompetent and irrational and they have nuclear weapons, flying over the Cuckoo Nest, that’s very reassuring!
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 14:49 utc | 179

Doctor Eleven@166…..”the likes of me”….you’re so mean…..I’m a fucking leprechaun and you’re conversing with me…..the likes of me, thanks for getting off your horse to chat.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 14:56 utc | 180

“NATO is like 30 countries dude they can bring a massive army if need be.”
In the event of all-out hot (but not radioactive) war, by the time NATO “brought” that “massive army,” Russian troops would be popping champagne corks in Paris.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 6 2024 15:00 utc | 181

Posted by: Poslan1 | Apr 6 2024 13:29 utc | 168
Black or white. Just like an old cartoon! Just like. Russians and Ukrainians are identical genetically. I’m 100 percent for Russia – sanity, decency, culture. But I don’t celebrate killing, Armchair General.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 15:03 utc | 182

Julian is wrong and Julian is trolling, but some of the observations of “Julian the Apostate” deserve to be taken seriously if only because they challenge some weak assumptions sometimes posted here.
Ultimately, in order to win the war, Russia has to make the Ukrainian government surrender, or alternatively, defeat Ukraine so comprehensively that its government collapses (and is perceived to have collapsed, and been discredited, by its population). It seems clear that over the last year Russia has been trying to persuade the Ukrainian government to surrender without making a last-ditch stand, and this does seem to have failed. Hence the current talk about the attrition of the Ukrainian military; Russian supporters hope that this will make the next major attack, which will probably come within the next couple of months, such a success that a breakthrough and some kind of mobile warfare will become possible. Hence, again, the talk of taking Kharkov and Odessa (which will have to be done if the war is to be brought to a conclusion).
I’d say this is possible. Julian, of course, insists that it is impossible. In reality, we shall simply have to wait and see what happens. It does seem that Russian tactics have improved and small-scale offensives have shown some success, but what of a large-scale offensive? What some commentators call, disparagingly, “big arrow” offensives are probably the way to go, but are they practical in an era when there are so many guided weapons on the battlefield?
Alternatively, what would happen if NATO troops arrived in numbers? The assumption is that they would be ineffective, but NATO technicians in anti-aircraft and anti-shipping units have shown some striking successes, even if they have not been in any way decisive. I don’t think one should assume that NATO’s electorate would be in any position to block a large-scale EuroNATO deployment of combat troops. We may yet see the US fighting to the last Western European in Ukraine.

Posted by: MFB | Apr 6 2024 15:07 utc | 183

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 6 2024 14:08 utc | 171
If there is no significant difference in the quality of the weaponry – e.g. spears versus Maxim Gun, which the British loved so much in Africa – then numerical superiority simply prevails. The Russians had more than twice as many soldiers, so they would win just as much as the Chinese in North Korea, or the Vietnamese or the Russians in Ukraine.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Apr 6 2024 15:12 utc | 184

NATO is not dumb. They are incompetent and irrational and they have nuclear weapons, flying over the Cuckoo Nest, that’s very reassuring!
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 14:49 utc | 178
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That’s only an issue if you fear death. If you do not, like say many Palestinian and Russian martyrs, then it is part of the cycle of life.
None of us are getting out of this alive.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 15:16 utc | 185

But I don’t celebrate killing, Armchair General.
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 15:03 utc | 181

Noone in Russia selebrates killing, but check the Ukrainian media and their Westen supporters’ as well as Israel’s, thery really are enjoying every dead person, civilian, kid woman, whatever.
Russians just do what they have to do to stop more killings of their own and if those who are supposed to kill more Russians are carrying Ukranin passports – too bad, they have had their fair chance to avoid it but they decided to play Moskal Safary, so FAFO.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Apr 6 2024 15:22 utc | 186

Alternatively, what would happen if NATO troops arrived in numbers?
Posted by: MFB | Apr 6 2024 15:07 utc | 182
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A Zircon missile doesn’t ask for nationality before detonating.
Meat is meat. The rest is exceptionalism and regalia.
Sure some militaries have better esprit de corps and equipment, but at the end of the day, a bullet to the head will kill anyone.
If anything, Russia can go even harder and with less restraint when fighting non-brothers.
Until now, the Russians have tried not to give NATO an excuse to intervene. Once NATO is obviously and publicly in, I suspect it will be “on like Donkey Kong”.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 15:25 utc | 187

LoveDonbass@184…Martyres, death; the Viking in me, the Celt in me, welcomes it.
Siol Na Fear Fearail
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 15:26 utc | 188

Russians just do what they have to do to stop more killings of their own and if those who are supposed to kill more Russians are carrying Ukranin passports – too bad, they have had their fair chance to avoid it but they decided to play Moskal Safary, so FAFO.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Apr 6 2024 15:22 utc | 185
I know that. And nowhere did I say otherwise.

Posted by: Robert E. Smith | Apr 6 2024 15:29 utc | 189

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 6 2024 14:08 utc | 171
If there is no significant difference in the quality of the weaponry – e.g. spears versus Maxim Gun, which the British loved so much in Africa – then numerical superiority simply prevails.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Apr 6 2024 15:12 utc | 183
If that’s the case then France should have easily defeated the Germans in 1940.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 6 2024 15:34 utc | 190

Posted by: Innuendo | Apr 6 2024 14:47 utc | 177
North Korea exceeds the US shell production. A single artillery and tank shell factory in Russia out of several exceeds the entire Nato production.
That tells you everything you need to know about Nato and their supposedly hyper super dooper superior GDP exceeding the BRICS gas stations masquerading as a country.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 6 2024 15:34 utc | 191

And nowhere did I say otherwise.
Posted by: Robert E. Smith | Apr 6 2024 15:29 utc | 188

You lamented brothers killing brothers – SMO is well past thet stage already

Posted by: Poslan1 | Apr 6 2024 15:35 utc | 192

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 15:25 utc | 187
People don’t understand that if Nato tries to pile in Ukraine, Russia will remove every potential advantage which Nato could use in Ukraine to feed its forces. That means bridges, power plants, utilities and not give a damn about civilian effects. Let Nato deal and pay with humanitarian concerns.
Russia will use scorched earth and attrition against Nato, destroy their permanent air bases and logistic hubs, hit their camps and kill them all without earlier restraints concerning preservation of infrastructure. In other words, stacking environmental and strategical odds against Nato and for Russia.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 6 2024 15:41 utc | 193

You lamented brothers killing brothers – SMO is well past thet stage already
Posted by: Poslan1 | Apr 6 2024 15:35 utc | 192
How many Russians would be here if not for the Bolsheviks, the civil war, the gulags?
How many Russians would there be if not for The Second World War?
How many Russians would there be if not for the rape and degradation and despair of the 1990s?
How many Russians are there today? That is my point.
Russia must win. Russia is the only hope of decent humanity. It’s still a tragedy that if there must be industrial scaled death, it’s the Slavs that must do the dying instead of those responsible for all of this horror.

Posted by: Robert E. Smith | Apr 6 2024 15:46 utc | 194

About the Krokus terror attack, Medvedev has it for Macron:

3. Accomplices. There are many of them. Their circle is expanding and includes those who gave property, money, organized movement, taught shooting, etc. Everything is clear with them too, and they will answer. Other accomplices or international sponsors of terrorists are much more interesting. And here, alas, the situation is as follows – they include senior officials of NATO countries. They are different. Yes, at least the same Macron. His rhetoric, his actions, and most importantly, his sanctions on covert operations with the Bandera regime may well be qualified as complicity in the March 22 terrorist attack. That is why the lover of oysters with champagne was so fucked up that he had to publicly deny France’s involvement in the terrorist attack himself s well as through his subordinates. It is obvious that Macron and a number of other Western leaders are the sponsors of this terrible terrorist attack. There is no excuse for this. You can’t hide behind immunity here. And from now on, they are not just enemies of Russia.

https://t.me/medvedev_telegram/476

Posted by: Paco | Apr 6 2024 15:46 utc | 195

🙂JackG | Apr 6 2024 1:22 utc | 112🙃

The four pillars of The West were Christianity, Greek Realism, Roman Patriarchy, and Roman Rule by Law. All four have been overthrown by the Cultural Marxism.

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Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 6 2024 15:46 utc | 196

Just testing !
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Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 6 2024 15:47 utc | 197

https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/4219

Russian manufacturer of long-range sniper rifles Lobaev Arms is building a turret to protect armored vehicles from Ukrainian FPV drones, the company’s boss told RIA Novosti.
A prototype of this system is currently being tested.
It seems to be chambered for 12gauge shotgun rounds which could prove very useful when using buckshot/birdshot ammunition against drones.
However, they don’t mention what will be used to identify or track drones, but a step in the right direction towards hard-kill active protection systems.

Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 6 2024 15:50 utc | 198

It’s still a tragedy that if there must be industrial scaled death, it’s the Slavs that must do the dying instead of those responsible for all of this horror.
Posted by: Robert E. Smith | Apr 6 2024 15:46 utc | 194

For me Buryats and Tatars who are fighting side by side with Great Russians against Nazies are more brothers than Slavs from Azov and Lyut who are fighting on the other side.
Once again, the graviest enemies almost always share their genotype. The war in America will be Reds vs Blues, not Whites vs Browns.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Apr 6 2024 16:19 utc | 199

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Apr 6 2024 15:12 utc | 183
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A very narrow view. Not all men are equal in any given task.
Training.
Motivation.
Belief.
Are you fighting mercenaries (Blackwater) or religious martyrs? Are you fighting ideological fanatics or middle-aged Ukrainian tradesmen press-ganged to the front?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 16:24 utc | 200