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April 5, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-099
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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https://t.me/rezident_ua/22323 Posted by: Down South | Apr 5 2024 13:12 utc | 1 Is there any serious confirmation of the supposed attack on a RF airfield or is it another PR stunt? Posted by: Newbie | Apr 5 2024 13:13 utc | 2 Posted by: Newbie | Apr 5 2024 13:13 utc | 2
Posted by: Down South | Apr 5 2024 13:58 utc | 3 Rostec on Friday announced the first delivery of a batch of Su-34 bombers to the Russian Air and Space Forces this year. The equipment has already been delivered to the customer upon completion of the entire set of factory tests. Posted by: AI | Apr 5 2024 14:10 utc | 4 The Murdoch-owned Sky News has it’s “expert” on to claim Ukraine needs another 2.5 million artillery shells. They’ll just find those laying around someplace right? Posted by: Altai | Apr 5 2024 14:14 utc | 5 Is UK population psychologically ready for the conscription? Posted by: vargas | Apr 5 2024 14:38 utc | 6 Actually Britain was conquered by the Netherlands (helped by local nobles) in 1688, with a fleet larger then the Spanish Armada and 15.000 troops: Posted by: Ronald | Apr 5 2024 14:50 utc | 7 “Is UK population psychologically ready for the conscription? Posted by: g wiltek | Apr 5 2024 14:57 utc | 8 The statements coming from Macron, Poland and other NATO lackeys are getting increasingly ludicrous and unhinged. Posted by: Facekicker | Apr 5 2024 14:59 utc | 9 Posted by: Facekicker | Apr 5 2024 14:59 utc | 9 Posted by: ossi | Apr 5 2024 15:09 utc | 10
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 5 2024 15:23 utc | 11 re:Down South | Apr 5 2024 13:58 utc | 3 Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 5 2024 15:25 utc | 12 @ Posted by: Facekicker | Apr 5 2024 14:59 utc | 9 Posted by: jared | Apr 5 2024 15:30 utc | 13 The empire is unable to walk away from this conflict. Posted by: Talleyrand | Apr 5 2024 15:52 utc | 14 https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/4176
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 5 2024 16:01 utc | 15 With the continuous firehose of yapping on sites like MoA and all the “blogs” and “substacks” and “podcasts” and mountains of rancid propaganda continually pouring forth from the corporate media, etc. etc, about Ukraine, the fundamental inevitability that has existed from the start has been buried in the maelstrom – Russia will not lose because Russia cannot lose. The days of Napoleon and the Crimean War are long gone. There is no force in the world capable of defeating Russia and surviving. If Russia goes, we all go. Posted by: wilsonK | Apr 5 2024 16:02 utc | 16 Talleyrand @14 Posted by: Paul Damascene | Apr 5 2024 16:11 utc | 17 Using terms like ‘the hegemon’ loosely leads to all kinds of problems. Who is ‘the hegemon’? Is it the whole mechanism of the American state? This is not a useful definition, because that mechanism is full of factions and competing interests, at every level. I think it is more useful to discuss ‘the Powers That Be,’ or PTB, as a reference to the active element of the Americentric global financial class. This is a group whose interests can be identified. First and foremost, they wish to survive. Next, they wish to retain as much power and wealth (two sides of the same coin in their system) as possible. Next, they wish to expand their power and wealth- ie, to profit. Posted by: Honzo | Apr 5 2024 16:18 utc | 18 @Posted by: Ronald | Apr 5 2024 14:50 utc | 7
Actually Britain was conquered by the Bank of Amsterdam, the objective being the creation of a Bank of England with a puppet monarchy subordinate to the bank. The rest is history. Fixed it for you. Posted by: Drifter | Apr 5 2024 16:28 utc | 20 Posted by: Talleyrand | Apr 5 2024 15:52 utc | 14 Posted by: Milites | Apr 5 2024 16:32 utc | 21 Is UK population psychologically ready for the conscription? Posted by: DrWho | Apr 5 2024 16:32 utc | 22 Talleyrand @ 14
It didn’t start in 2014, it’s all been in the works since since at least 1991 certainly 1997, it’s not going to be abandoned easily or willingly, Russia will have to pound sense into their thick skulls – where’s Prighozin’s sledgehammer. As for nukes, the Pentagon when they signed on to the neocon misadventure would have been required to game it all out to the point of nuclear exchange. Wars have a way of taking on a life of their own, so for the first time in the history of war this life of its own will include nukes. Something that the cold war realized and was structured to avoid. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 5 2024 16:33 utc | 23 https://t.me/CyberspecNews/50140
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/50120
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 5 2024 16:37 utc | 24 “According to preliminary information, the explosions in the city of Zaporozhye, which is temporarily occupied by the Nazis, were caused by the impact of two Iskander missiles. At the very least, the industrial site of the Motor Sich enterprise [aircraft engine manufacture] has been hit,” Vladimir Rogov, chairman of the We Are Together with Russia movement wrote on his Telegram channel. Posted by: AI | Apr 5 2024 16:40 utc | 25 Towards an EU Garrison State? Honzo @ 18 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 5 2024 16:46 utc | 27 Posted by: g wiltek | Apr 5 2024 14:57 utc | 8 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Apr 5 2024 16:49 utc | 28 Posted by: KevinB | Apr 5 2024 16:44 utc | 26 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 5 2024 16:58 utc | 29 LightYearsFromHome @ 27 Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Apr 5 2024 17:00 utc | 30 Using terms like ‘the hegemon’ loosely leads to all kinds of problems. Who is ‘the hegemon’? Is it the whole mechanism of the American state? This is not a useful definition, because that mechanism is full of factions and competing interests, at every level. I think it is more useful to discuss ‘the Powers That Be,’ or PTB, as a reference to the active element of the Americentric global financial class. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 5 2024 17:03 utc | 31 Posted by: wilsonK | Apr 5 2024 16:02 utc | 16 Posted by: Áobh Ò’Sheachnasaigh | Apr 5 2024 17:07 utc | 32 ?
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 5 2024 17:10 utc | 33 Posted by: Facekicker | Apr 5 2024 14:59 utc | 9 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2024 17:13 utc | 34 These comment sections sink lower into common denominator fascism every day. I come here less and less once I realized that Bernard has managed to curate the world’s largest collection of stopped clocks, the comments sections aren’t places for serious discussions between well informed people Posted by: Brautigan | Apr 5 2024 17:13 utc | 35 Rhere is a contradiction in EU. The educated elite would like to transform EU into militarized garrison fortress superstate. Posted by: vargas | Apr 5 2024 17:25 utc | 36 Posted by: Brautigan | Apr 5 2024 17:13 utc | 35 Posted by: Milites | Apr 5 2024 17:25 utc | 37 These comment sections sink lower into common denominator fascism every day. I come here less and less once I realized that Bernard has managed to curate the world’s largest collection of stopped clocks, the comments sections aren’t places for serious discussions between well informed people Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 5 2024 17:31 utc | 38 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2024 17:13 utc | 34 Posted by: Milites | Apr 5 2024 17:32 utc | 39 Automatism of Posted by: ossi | Apr 5 2024 17:33 utc | 40 https://t.me/sitreports/25642 Posted by: Newbie | Apr 5 2024 17:43 utc | 41 Funniest posts on telegram today were: Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 5 2024 17:46 utc | 42 Posted by: ossi | Apr 5 2024 17:33 utc | 40 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2024 17:47 utc | 43 Orsk in Orenburg Region Posted by: james | Apr 5 2024 18:05 utc | 45 thanks Ossi, unimperator. always good points. Posted by: migueljose | Apr 5 2024 18:09 utc | 46 Mevedev unleashed tg channel https://t.me/s/medvedev_telegram
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2024 18:17 utc | 47 Posted by: vargas | Apr 5 2024 17:25 utc | 36 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 5 2024 18:21 utc | 48 Peter Au1@47 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 5 2024 18:28 utc | 49
https://t.me/rezident_ua/22324 Posted by: Down South | Apr 5 2024 18:28 utc | 50
https://t.me/MediaKiller2021/12165 Posted by: Down South | Apr 5 2024 18:30 utc | 51 Russia supposedly has several hundred thousand troops in the rear in Ukraine alone which are not committed to any front activity. They are building 5 new artillery brigades for new offensive actions. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2024 18:31 utc | 52
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/93717 Posted by: Down South | Apr 5 2024 18:34 utc | 53
Posted by: Down South | Apr 5 2024 18:42 utc | 54 Posted by: Newbie | Apr 5 2024 17:43 utc | 41 Posted by: Down South | Apr 5 2024 18:43 utc | 55 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 5 2024 18:21 utc | 48 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Apr 5 2024 18:45 utc | 56 sean the leprechaun | Apr 5 2024 18:28 utc | 49 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2024 18:50 utc | 57 Don’t agree. I was just watching an everyday kind of video about Russia’s fighter planes production, reflecting on what a senseless waste of money it all is. And a very simple but profound thought occured to me. The only reason that Russia is building all those planes, and in fact ANY defence equipment, is because the USA, unlike AND OTHER nation, wants to rule the world. Russia doesn’t want to run the world, nor China, nor India, the UK, the EU, or anybody else. Posted by: Honzo | Apr 5 2024 19:00 utc | 58 If Nato brings a large army, say, 100 F-16 aircraft manned by Nato pilots, 1000 Abrams and Stryker tanks, 200k troops Posted by: Oliver Krug | Apr 5 2024 19:00 utc | 59 Posted by: Oliver Krug | Apr 5 2024 19:00 utc | 59 Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Apr 5 2024 19:12 utc | 60 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 5 2024 18:28 utc | 49 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 5 2024 19:27 utc | 61 So, EU wants this war, they have no fear of Russia, they are ready. Posted by: vargas | Apr 5 2024 20:09 utc | 62 From yesterdays Ukraine Tread: Posted by: Paul from Norway | Apr 5 2024 20:10 utc | 63 Situation according to Dima in Chasov Yar and other main areas: Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2024 20:11 utc | 64
Cool, insightful post. Whatever happened to that Indian commenter in here? He knew lot about Russia. He had his own comic strip, his comments were short and to the point. Posted by: Calgary Guy | Apr 5 2024 20:30 utc | 66 LoveDonbass@61….should it go hot: all of the above. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 5 2024 20:35 utc | 67 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2024 17:13 utc | 34 (also Ossi and others) Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 5 2024 20:37 utc | 68 Wikipedia says about the US-Iraq war: Posted by: Passerby | Apr 5 2024 21:13 utc | 69 Secretary Antony J. Blinken at a Solo Press Availability (U.S. Department of State, April 4, 2024)
Let’s see. Posted by: S | Apr 5 2024 21:20 utc | 70 Posted by: Calgary Guy | Apr 5 2024 20:30 utc | 66 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 5 2024 21:21 utc | 71 unimperator | Apr 5 2024 17:47 utc | 43 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 5 2024 21:23 utc | 72 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 5 2024 20:35 utc | 67 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 5 2024 21:24 utc | 73 Posted by: scorpion | Apr 5 2024 20:17 utc | 65 Posted by: Milites | Apr 5 2024 21:42 utc | 74 Ukrainian serviceman missing half his arm was classified as lightly wounded, wife says (RIA Novosti, April 4, 2024 — in Russian)
Posted by: S | Apr 5 2024 21:43 utc | 75 @LoveDonbass #71:
Rightly so. Posted by: S | Apr 5 2024 21:45 utc | 76 Posted by: Talleyrand | Apr 5 2024 15:52 utc | 14 Posted by: Paul from Norway | Apr 5 2024 21:52 utc | 77 LoveDonbass@73….the only armies I have are up my sleavies…..so any plan I may have is fanciful….that said, yep I have a list…. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 5 2024 21:53 utc | 78 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 5 2024 21:23 utc | 72 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2024 21:56 utc | 79 *Sigh* people still getting their jollies predicting a NATO intervention, are now saying the Euro vassals will do it without the US. Posted by: Urban Fox | Apr 5 2024 22:03 utc | 80 There is “nothing planned” newly by the Russian’s Mil Forces by any of its Brigades – wheher towards East not to the West. Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Apr 5 2024 22:06 utc | 81 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 5 2024 20:37 utc | 68 Posted by: Milites | Apr 5 2024 22:13 utc | 82 Posted by: S | Apr 5 2024 21:20 utc | 70 Posted by: Mike R | Apr 5 2024 22:16 utc | 83 unimperator@79…. NATO is not coming to fight Russia in the Ukraine…. individual EU countries are. They have been given or are being paid off with areas of responsibility. Odds are odds, and unintended consequences being what they are it may or may not be a cake walk for Russia. The best NATO kit is being reserved for the EU countries and their troops. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 5 2024 22:22 utc | 84 Honzo @58 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 5 2024 22:25 utc | 85 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 5 2024 17:03 utc | 31 Posted by: Paul from Norway | Apr 5 2024 22:27 utc | 86 Britain is a complete has been with a Army of only 80,000 including their mercenary Gurkhas. Posted by: Dc9loser | Apr 5 2024 22:28 utc | 87 This place used to be a rock solid base of knowledge and common sense. Posted by: Pierrot | Apr 5 2024 22:30 utc | 88 Milites | Apr 5 2024 22:13 utc | 82 Posted by: bevin | Apr 5 2024 22:31 utc | 89 If someones Mr/Msr- USA like Nuland + Killary + BidenJr. + J.W-Bush + beside-helper’s brains would have worked/functioned in a sense of its USA-Folk voters .. Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Apr 5 2024 22:32 utc | 90 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 5 2024 22:22 utc | 84 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2024 22:34 utc | 91 On April 4, the National Security Archive at George Washington University has published a set of previously secret Russian and U.S. documents on the high-level dialogue and hands-on engagement between Russia and the U.S. in 1992–1995. One of the documents is especially interesting:
Posted by: S | Apr 5 2024 22:36 utc | 92 Posted by: Dc9loser | Apr 5 2024 22:28 utc | 87 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2024 22:45 utc | 93 Posted by: Pierrot | Apr 5 2024 22:30 utc | 88 Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 5 2024 22:59 utc | 94 DinkyBlinky: “we’re on a trajectory in the mid-to-long term where Ukraine will be able to stand very strongly on its own two feet militarily, economically, and democratically.” Posted by: Zet | Apr 5 2024 23:06 utc | 95 Hi, You unemployed fathers of your family, as the latest “guard” guys here in Ukrain living down streets – Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Apr 5 2024 23:11 utc | 96 unimperator@91….both sides play coy, most people have NATO sussed out. Paper tiger is the popular opinion….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 5 2024 23:11 utc | 97 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 5 2024 18:21 utc | 48 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Apr 5 2024 23:11 utc | 98 One thing is for them to join, another is to get something useful out of them, and that!- I think – is going to be a problem. Posted by: Engineer-John | Apr 5 2024 23:16 utc | 99
I think this is getting closer to what is actually ongoing. This is not a popular view so its ramifications are rarely discussed but if true it means the Hegemon’s own PTB elites are deliberately reducing the standard of living of their own citizenry. |
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