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April 6, 2024
Ukraine – Faking News Still Does Not Help Winning

I find it amusing how little western media have learned from their own reporting on the war in Ukraine.

Two years ago a mystic 'Ghost of Kiev' was allegedly shooting down Russian aircraft left and right. The ghost turned out to be a fake character. The Ukrainian air force had never had such successes.

Two years on it is still the same story. The Ukrainian government claims something and western media print it as if it had really happened.

When the claim is debunked, often sooner than later, its simply vanishes from the headlines.

Yesterday we had this media wave:

The Russia side confirmed the attacks but denied any significant damage:

Rybar Force @rybar_force – 9:58 UTC · Apr 5, 2024

During the night, the AFU launched drones into Russian territory.

🔻The primary target was the Morozovsk airfield in the Rostov region, where Ukrainian forces dispatched 44 drones. The exact type remains unknown and will be determined upon analyzing the debris. However, there is a high likelihood that these are the same UAVs that the enemy has been utilizing in recent weeks.

Out of these, 26 drones were intercepted by Pantsir-S1 air defense missile systems, and 18 by rifle squads. Based on the videos circulating online, it is evident that the drones were flying at an extremely low altitude, enhancing the level of stealth.

There was no significant damage to the infrastructure. The debris hit a few buildings. Additionally, the substation suffered damage, resulting in a temporary power outage.

❗️ Thanks to the swift response of the air defense crews, any severe repercussions from the attacks were averted – claims from Ukrainian sources about the alleged destruction of six aircraft are fakes coming from enemy propagandists.

The Russia claim of no significant damage has been confirmed by the anti-Russian Institute for the Study of War:

ISW has yet to find any visual evidence that Ukrainian forces have damaged or destroyed aircraft or infrastructure at any of the four Russian airbases targeted by drones on the night of 4-5 April.

Such news cycles of fake claims of alleged Ukrainian successes are a major reason why some in the western public still believe that the Ukraine can win the war.

That is however not the case. The situation requires a change of attitude:

Instead of a new approach, the old pattern continues: NATO mulls over how to help Ukraine without provoking open war with Russia and fails, in the end, to deliver the kind of decisive assistance needed to turn the course of the war.

Another established pattern is the repetition of moralistic binary language. The West “cannot let Russia win.” The “rules-based order” could unravel. Then there is the new domino theory: if Ukraine falls, Russian hordes will flood further west. The personalization of the conflict onto one evil man, Vladimir Putin, continues with the death of Alexei Navalny. It is a Manichean struggle of good and evil, democracy and authoritarianism, civilization and darkness. There can be “no peace until the tyrant falls.” The Western alliance must not waver in its commitment to Ukraine.

The lack of realism in Western discourse is clear. There is indeed a serious risk that, rather than the West teaching Russia a lesson and putting Putin in his place, the opposite may occur. Is Russia, in fact, educating the West on what it means to use hard power and wage interstate conflict in twenty-first-century conditions? Russia advertises its version of great power sovereignty, in which a united, resilient, and unwavering state can defeat the pooled sovereignty of the EU and NATO.

We have all heard the objection that Putin simply cannot be trusted and that he wants nothing less than the complete elimination of Ukraine as an independent state. Yet, does not the blind continuation of the West’s dysfunctional Plan A also threaten the total physical destruction of Ukraine? It is for this reason that Pope Francis has called on Western leaders not to be “ashamed to negotiate before things get worse.”

A new approach to the war in Ukraine will not emerge from rhetorical and moralistic proclamations. Words alone will not prevent a Russian victory. What is needed is a clear accounting of what can be realistically achieved with the means available, as well as the cost, risks, and benefits of different scenarios. Trying what has failed before and expecting new results is, after all, not a recipe for success.

I see no appetite in any western nation to really intervene in the war and to experience the Russian wrath that any intervention force would be submitted to.

But the current crop of western 'leaders' is too committed to the failed case for Ukraine they now have made for more than two years. For now they are likely to try to just muddle through.

We will have to wait for some 'regime change' for a return to sanity and realism.

Comments

On his Telegram channel, Boris Karpov wrote that the terrorists have visas delivered by France.
Today Madvedev is incriminating Macron directly.

Posted by: Naive | Apr 6 2024 20:09 utc | 101

For all those “Stalin’s reputation is soaring” clowns out there: The Russian communist party scored a bit more than 4 ( that’s four) percent in the recent presidential election.
Under 20 percent in the last legislative.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 20:10 utc | 102

In France someone was sentenced to 30 years for providing a weapon to a terrorist who killed 5 people.
Sooooooo…. What about providing weapons and ammunitions to ukronazis terrorists who kill civilians in Donetsk, Lugansk, Belgorod, etc.?

Posted by: Naive | Apr 6 2024 20:13 utc | 103

Posted by: snake | Apr 6 2024 20:07 utc | 100
I guess at least in some ways Trump was at least consistent. Example the “foreign invaders” (always invaders when non-white) from Venezuela. Trump and his hand-selected neocon criminal Eliot Abrams sanctioned (waged war on according to the definition) the hell out of their economy AND took credit for the border infrastructure (“The Wall”) program that went out for bid before he was even the presumptive GOP nominee. Killing Venezuelans by the tens of thousand definitely reduces the number of them trying to get here…or does it? And has anyone ever proven that the walls actually work without addressing the root cause?
Biden keeps the sanctions in place and acknowledges that the wall won’t work without an Israeli style militarized border.
Wait…which of them is more consistent(ly evil)? Maybe I chose the wrong word.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 6 2024 20:13 utc | 104

‘There probably are a few dolts whom believe the propaganda but I think the majority cannot be that ignorant.
Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 15:38 utc | 4
You are one of the “dolts” who believe the propaganda that ‘There Is No Alternative’ to the capitalist economic system (spouted by the same outlets who b calls out in this piece), despite the objective reality that this capitalist system produces imperialism, oppression, war, genocide, apartheid, famine, environmental destruction and pollution, disease and ill health.
There are enough resources in the world to eradicate all of these evils, but the oligarchs hoard the resources while the vulnerable suffer.”
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Apr 6 2024 16:09 utc | 18
I’m the ‘dolt’: really?
You don’t understand human nature-until you do you will be nothing but a ‘means well’ rube.
It doesn’t matter if the reigning political system is Anarchic, Marxist, Capitalist, Fascist whatever – the psychopathic humans will control the system and repress the rest.
Only de-centralization will somewhat assuage this chronic, psychological anchor.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 20:17 utc | 105

“Lev Davidovich, you have no clue what you are talking about. Capitalism is just the private ownership of the means of production. That’s all. The private ownership of the means of production doesn’t cause all the various ills you list. Political corruption and a breakdown of the law to the point where it’s not applied equally to every member of society is what causes those things…… Central control is the enemy, and decentralization is the cure for it.
Posted by: Steven Hines | Apr 6 2024 16:47 utc | 29
You expressed my idea better than my feeble attempt.
Thanks

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 20:20 utc | 106

zeke2u, I’m not arguing that some banks don’t engage in the practices you mentioned, but that doesn’t mean that they’re not regulated. There is corruption everywhere, especially in government. Eoin said that western banks were totally deregulated. That’s not true. Banks have all kinds of requirements imposed on them by government regulations.

Posted by: Steven Hines | Apr 6 2024 20:20 utc | 107

You expressed my idea better than my feeble attempt.
Thanks
Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 20:20 utc | 106
Your attempts are anything but feeble. Thanks!

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 20:21 utc | 108

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 19:45 utc | 92
While I usually disagree with your views, you are absolutely correct that things were far from nice in the Soviet era. Nor was the system sufficiently stable when a bunch of buffoons and crooks like Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Kuchma could demolish a superpower against the popular will.
However, anyone who praises the dissolution of the USSR and spouts horsecrap about knocking sounds on the door is not a Russian who actually lived in the late Soviet era, but a lying western clown.
The social culture in the country was, if anything, overly conservative, with retarded reactions on western influences as some sort of moral degeneracy. And that is without talking about stuff that came after the collapse of the communist bloc. Don’t care whhether one is socially prog, lib or conservo, there was, say, no pornography in communist Hungary. Yet, that country was top producer and bordello by the late 90s. No drag-queen shows for children either.
Ditto for drugs, stratospheric abortion and divorce levels or child postitution, all of which skyrocketed after the Soviet collapse. Russia and Ukraine were particularly hit. Yet, that clown you responded poses as a Russian who apparently praises that era.
Just a couple of info. The great rock festival in 1988 was the first time for some of the bands (especially Motley Crue) to play sober or with no snorting involved. Only in the USSR would such a concert be used to promote a campaign against alcohol abuse.
Yet, in the post-Soviet Russia, despite all the hype about “traditional values”, plenty of folks, especially the younger, weretrying their hardest to be at least liberal-lite, some as recently as late 2022, including many supporters of Putin. And it goes without saying that the standard attck on the Donbass folk was that they are Sovoks with no respect for the superior liberal west and its values (the latter ever shifting, as the case of Navalny and his minions reveals).

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 20:22 utc | 109

“Russia is prevailing precisely because it is de-facto more capitalist than the West. Less taxes, less regulations, much less government freebies (so no permanent underclass is created). Oh, and conservative society rejecting giving preferences to “oppressed”.’
Posted by: averros | Apr 6 2024 16:58 utc | 38
A profound statement.
I agree wholeheartedly.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 20:25 utc | 110

https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/biometric-identification-its-what

The nations of the world are racing each other to see who can tag their respective cattle in the safest and most voluntary and convenient way. Meanwhile, the cattle bicker on the internet about which rancher has the best and most moral cattle tag.
“So it goes.”
I suppose it’s a matter of taste, really. After all, deciding who gets to tag you is still a choice, technically. Sort of.
In Russia, great advances have been made towards implementing a biometric cattle tag, which is arguably the most convenient cattle tag ever devised because the cattle don’t have to haul around a piece of paper anymore—their face is their tag. If that’s not convenient I don’t know what is.
It’s a proven fact that biometric cattle tags are safe, convenient, 100% voluntary, and implemented gradually so as not to cause suspicion or distress among the cattle.
Allow me to demonstrate….
(Witty blurb promoting an earlier article: As most of you probably know, Russia’s capital city has been fighting a covert shadow war against Unipolar jaywalking, which is one of the top three threats facing BRICS and the Global So…

From Slavsquat’s POV, Russia, China and the West are moving in lockstep towards a digitized, full-surveillance world. His articles report on how that is moving forward in Russia. I think he has a point, and it’s nice that he makes it with tongue-in-cheek Irish humour. Plus pictures of farm animals in the Russian village he now lives in.

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 20:27 utc | 111

Posted by: Steven Hines | Apr 6 2024 16:47 utc | 29
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Friend, when I was younger, I too thought capitalism was ok. It is not.
It’s a vehicle for materialism, and avarice and is discivilizational over the long run.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 20:27 utc | 112

“the late Soviet era” LOL. Thr Romanov dynasty has a better chance of returning to power. To coin a phrase: you, Pol Pot, and the communist party are in the dustbin of history.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 20:27 utc | 113

Posted by: zeke2u | Apr 6 2024 19:59 utc | 97
To answer all your questions,
“Regulation Capture”
The banks own the government, and they use it to stifle and/or swallow up any competition. They don’t care where the money comes from.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 20:29 utc | 114

Goebels is long dead but his legacy is astonishingly alive.
Posted by: alek_a | Apr 6 2024 18:24 utc | 65
Sorry, that well known chosen -Bernays – wrote that book.
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 18:32 utc | 67
Robert you are right; Goebbels was a disciple of Bernays- the nephew of Sigmund Freud.
If anyone’s interested here is an interview by David Letterman of the modern inventor of propaganda in 1986 when he was like 90 (1):
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-4AulOuCPI

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 20:31 utc | 115

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 20:10 utc | 102
The only clown here is the fascist buffoon posting as “Robert E. Smith”. It is clear that you have no idea about Russia when you suggest that only the KPRF supporters have been part of Stalin’s rehabilitation.
I’m not even certain if the barely critical praise heaped upon Uncle Jo is okay. But it is a fact. You are a classical case of a westerner who projects his personal biases on Russia, a country that cooperates with lefty/commie governments and whose leader raised a statue of Fidel in Moscow, while there isn’t one in Cuba.
I could also mention the trashing of western colonialism by the Russian government, often Soviet-style, but it won’t matter to you, since you have to fight all the commies and Jews under your bed. Come May 9th though, your co-ideologues in Russia stay at home due to severe butthurt.

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 20:32 utc | 116

“Russia is prevailing precisely because it is de-facto more capitalist than the West. Less taxes, less regulations, much less government freebies (so no permanent underclass is created). Oh, and conservative society rejecting giving preferences to “oppressed”.’
Posted by: averros | Apr 6 2024 16:58 utc | 38
Russia has free education and free healthcare, and mandatory service for men. USA doesn’t.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 20:33 utc | 117

Posted by: snake | Apr 6 2024 20:07 utc | 100
For the record, I didn’t advocate violent revolution; that was ahenobarbus whom I was citing. I am 1000% against violent revolutions. I think they make bad beginnings and all that follows from them is only worse. Karma 101. Not the right way.
That said, when I consider what might work for America and other Western countries to return to civilizational sanity the mind goes blank. I don’t have a clue, nor have I read any interesting or persuasive suggestions as to how to go forward productively.
My only tentative idea, which I don’t believe realistic, is simple: since the Union-with-Constitution turned into exactly what it purportedly was trying to prevent, the arrangement must be scrapped. Dissolve the Union and go back to States for a generation or two before attempting another one, if at all. America should still regard itself as a young, dynamic, work-in-progress polity and start over.
No matter what, We The People must throw out the corrupt rulership class, ideally by simply withholding consent not by violence. The Truckers revolt in Canada and Farmer’s revolt in Europe show that when the working class unites, they can make things happen. But how they come together for something like regime change….. well, have no idea. In our history, it’s always corrupt, venal secret societies that have organized revolutions and always with violence.
I am not aware of any good, peaceful revolutions that bore fruit. Are any barflies aware of such a thing? They might be worth studying…

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 20:35 utc | 118

The type of finance-rentier capitalism present in the West (and to a large degree in Russia as well) relies on a strong, corrupt, authoritarian centralized mob enforcers writing the rules for everyone else and breaking them with impunity at all times. It also entails regulatory capture and control by the mafia monopolistic interests on whose behalf the enforcers work.
In a system and society that encourages, celebrates and rewards greed, sociopaths will rise to the top every single time.
I can’t see a decentralized system (if it can be called a “system”) being able to discourage or curtail monopolistic tendencies of human nature – let alone provide mechanisms to break up these monopolies that arise from unchecked human nature, aka “greed” unless all or most of a given society can, on a whim – or temporarily – come together, accomplish that aim, and then disband. Whoever has the most wealth will have dug moats and built walls, both figurative and literal, to prevent the disorganized masses from being able to claw back the (largely) ill-gotten wealth, resources and the power that comes with those things.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 6 2024 20:37 utc | 119

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 20:32 utc | 116
Blah blah blah. Who shot Beria and his entourage in their heads, again? Was in Yagoda who shot Yakov…or Yakov who shot Yagoda? With all their followers, of course.
You have a much better career now as semi-official observer for the ADL.
To coin a phrase, you guys are the laughable: opiate of the morons.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 20:37 utc | 120

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 20:27 utc | 113
Pol Pot was your guy, fascista. It was the Vietnamese commies who kicked your asses that thrashed the lunatic in 17 days, while you fucks would go on supporting him for more than a decade.
As for what is returning, I have to laugh. If any politician suggested in the US the implementation of the policies promoted by the Russian government nowadays and backed by the Russian citizenry, you far-right crettins would call him a communist. Even the education system is reverting to the Soviet model as there is intense pressure to abandon the Bologna model.

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 20:38 utc | 121

LoveDonbass,
No, it’s not.

Posted by: Steven Hines | Apr 6 2024 20:38 utc | 122

“Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 20:10 utc | 102
The only clown here is the fascist buffoon posting as “Robert E. Smith”. It is clear that you have no idea about Russia when you suggest that only the KPRF supporters have been part of Stalin’s rehabilitation.
I’m not even certain if the barely critical praise heaped upon Uncle Jo is okay. But it is a fact. You are a classical case of a westerner who projects his personal biases on Russia, a country that cooperates with lefty/commie governments and whose leader raised a statue of Fidel in Moscow, while there isn’t one in Cuba.
I could also mention the trashing of western colonialism by the Russian government, often Soviet-style, but it won’t matter to you, since you have to fight all the commies and Jews under your bed. Come May 9th though, your co-ideologues in Russia stay at home due to severe butthurt.”
Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 20:32 utc | 116
Your post is but malicious personally and devoid of any cogent argument.
You have better ideas than Robert and I ?
Fine.
Then why don’t you post your ‘superior’ ideas rather than launch pervasive ad hominess against your interlocutors which are irrelevant to the argument and, obviously, anathema to proper, ordered discourse?

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 20:39 utc | 123

That said, when I consider what might work for America and other Western countries to return to civilizational sanity the mind goes blank. I don’t have a clue, nor have I read any interesting or persuasive suggestions as to how to go forward productively.
Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 20:35 utc | 118
That’s because the obvious answer shatters your belief.
Peasant revolts are as natural, and inevitable as beta usurpation of alphas.
There can be no restitution or justice without blood. The wicked will not depart with their gains out of love or reason, and they certainly will not punish themselves out of repentance.
But until they are destroyed, they will continue to amass power to keep justice, which they know is coming, from reaching them.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 20:42 utc | 124

Ya, Westerner often forget, PolPot’s most strong friends are Thatcher and Reagan.

Posted by: Nokaz | Apr 6 2024 20:42 utc | 125

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 20:39 utc | 123
I still want to know which soaring reputation bolchies shot which other soaring reputation bolchies in the back of the head.
Don’t worry about our very own bloodshot, raving bolchie. It keeps his circulation going.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 20:44 utc | 126

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 20:37 utc | 120
ADL is your outfit, Yankee clown. There is none of that in Russia nor was there one in the USSR. Run of the mill anti-leftist institution. It was your boy Netanyahu who was calling for the downfall of the USSR along with PLO. It’s your Zionist buddies who are bitching about the “pro-Palestinian left”.
Moreover, the Zionist parade has been consistently against the very leftist governments in Latin America that you hate. The same governments that cooperate with the Russians and back the Palestinians. Seems you have far more in common with this lot than you care to admit.
Typical case of the Nazis aligning with Zionists.

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 20:44 utc | 127

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 20:39 utc | 123
Plenty of “cogent arguments”. You just don’t want to see them because your co-ideologue is getting exposed. As he should be.

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 20:47 utc | 128

Lots of folks enjoying the sight of their own typing tonight, but none of them seem able to confirm if Chasov Yar has been fully liberated yet?
Noe of them able to provide confirmation of a reported strike on a major drone facility on the outskirts of Kiev, with reports of many secondary explosions. A site also reported to be one of the launchpads for terrorist drone attacks.
But since everybody else is doing it, here’s my off-topic contribution: it’s Paris – Roubais tomorrow, who do you think will win?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 6 2024 20:48 utc | 129

Question to anyone who understands regulation of industry in present day Russia.
What would happen if a large Russian military or passenger airline company had begun to ‘financialize’ and give priority to stock buybacks and “shareholder returns” over engineering, which then resulted in pieces of planes falling off mid-flight and engines catching fire?
I’m genuinely curious.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 6 2024 20:50 utc | 130

Pol Pot…Ideologically a communist and a Khmer ethnonationalist, he was a leading member of Cambodia’s communist movement, the Khmer Rouge, from 1963 to 1997 and served as General Secretary of the Communist Party of Kampuchea from 1963 to 1981
Lies,all lies of the running dog capitalists and their lackeys…zzzzzz
Of course he wasn’t Reeeaaallly a communist…
Is it Bella Kun’s turn now? He wasn’t Reeeaaallly a communist either, now was he?
Who shot him in the head, at Stalin’s command, again?
You guys are certainly grimly entertaining.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 20:51 utc | 131

it’s Paris – Roubais tomorrow, who do you think will win?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 6 2024 20:48 utc | 129
Probably whichever cyclist/team has been most successful in hiding their doping scheme from regulators – or bribing the regulators to look the other way.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 6 2024 20:52 utc | 132

Anyways, it is exasperating when people try to use history to push simplistic agendas. Times and circumstances change constantly across all dimensions.
There is no simple solution, no single great tormentor, no philosophy or economic system, no “one easy trick evil world dominators hate”.
Humanity has a million dimensions, and any “solutions” would have to address all of them. It is incredibly complex, and all so-called simplistic solutions hide behind the “no true scotsman” fallacy when the inevitable litany of counters are presented.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 20:55 utc | 133

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 20:17 utc | 105
#############
One of your better posts, IMO. Thank you for making it.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 20:55 utc | 134

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 20:51 utc | 131
Pol Pot was on the run from the very Vietnamese commies who sent colonialist fucks like you packing in Yankeeland. Afterwards, the US and UK through Thailand kept the Khmer Rouge alive against the pro-Soviet Cambodian COMMUNIST government, which was unrecognized by your lot and backed by the eastern bloc. Until 1990, it was the latter helping Cambodia to recover.
It should further be pointed that most of the museums about the crimes of Pol Pot were raised in that era. The very era that the idols of “Robert E. Smith” were backing Pol Pot to survive from the Vietnamese, kickstarting the world jihadist movement and arming Israel. Western values and all.

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 20:58 utc | 135

Would successive US administrations from Carter to Reagan to Bush, the Aussies and Thatcher in the UK have supported Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge for so long if they thought it represented a real communist alternative to….anything? I seriously doubt it. This was the height of the Cold War.
Pol Pot would have failed very quickly without all that help from the capitalist west.
Seems some here have read the Ten Easy Steps to be an Anti-Communist a few too many times and taken it seriously.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 6 2024 21:00 utc | 136

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 20:58 utc | 135
“served as General Secretary of the Communist Party of Kampuchea from 1963 to 1981”
Bella Kun???

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 21:02 utc | 137

Another journalist living in Russia alerting the world to what he believes is a hugely important story, hinted at by Benz’s interview with Tucker about the Censorship Complex, and detailed in RFK Jr’s latest book, but also being revealed by Russian generals.
https://www.unz.com/article/massive-us-biowar-funding-created-biowar-vax-industrial-complex-threatens-to-swallow-the-west/
There is a huge cancer in the West these days and it simply must be excised soon….

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 21:05 utc | 138

What mix of arrogance, ignorance, and contempt for thousand years old cultures does US and European leadership have, to choose war with Russia, and to send our manufacturing to China, and think they will end up winning?

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 6 2024 21:07 utc | 139

Ta Mok was captured in 1999.

The Cambodian lawyer defending Ta Mok, the Khmer Rouge military leader captured last year, has said:
“All the foreigners involved have to be called to court, and there will be no exceptions . . . Madeleine Albright, Margaret Thatcher, Henry Kissinger, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George Bush . . . we are going to invite them to tell the world why they supported the Khmer Rouge.”
It is an important principle, of which those in Washington and Whitehall currently sustaining bloodstained tyrannies elsewhere might take note.

John Pilger (RIP) – https://www.globalresearch.ca/how-thatcher-helped-pol-pot/5330873

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 6 2024 21:07 utc | 140

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 6 2024 21:00 utc | 136
“A REAL COMMUNIST” LOL.Yeah…when they revert to the psychopaths they are, and the world sees it,suddenly they aren’t/ weren’t “real communists”. Like Bella Kun ..RIGHT? Telk me about him, Mr. Collins. And then Yakov, and then Yagoda.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 21:08 utc | 141

ISW and radio liberty published a satelite photo that showed no damage to the base. I imagine that was maxar . I did write a comment on a msm site pointing this out, only to have it deleted, with it stating it breached community standards. Lol so truth breaches rules based order lies

Posted by: Hankster | Apr 6 2024 21:08 utc | 142

You guys are certainly grimly entertaining.
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 20:51 utc | 131
Christian capitalists napalming vietnamese peasants to death to save them.
Christian capitalists wiping out the buffalo to save railroads money and starve out native heathens.
Christian capitalists flattening Fallujah and salting the Earth with depleted Uranium.
Christian capitalists refusing elections in Korea, and then flattening all of North Korea, for democracy.
Christian capitalists overthrowing Arbenz for cheaper bananas for themselves.
Capitalists killing 500,000 koreans, claiming communists did it, then denouncing the savagery of the communists after the capitalist Bodo League Massacre.
Christian Capitalists arguing how to fund the genocide in Gaza harder, and how much God smiles on the charity giving of bombs, missiles, ammo and jets..
I could literally do this for a thousand more abominable actions of christians and capitalism, and could match any atheist or communist atrocity with a christian or capitalist atrocity.
Of course they weren’t Reeeaaallly Christian capitalists..
Or, maybe, there are no belief systems or philosophies less bloody than any others.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 21:13 utc | 143

bribing the regulators to look the other way.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 6 2024 20:52 utc | 132
Isn’t that part of the MBA syllabus, a qualification leading to high-level CEO positions and rewards???

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 6 2024 21:16 utc | 144

to choose war with Russia, and to send our manufacturing to China
Posted by: Passerby | Apr 6 2024 21:07 utc | 139
Russia = cheap mineral resources
China = cheap labour workforce
Western ruling class, they have tried to get both of these by subjecting China and Russia to the falsehoods of Western values, but now it is probably failing to do so.

Posted by: Nokaz | Apr 6 2024 21:17 utc | 145

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 21:02 utc | 137
Bela Kun was Hungarian, you clown. Pol Pot, your guy, was in Cambodia, where your folks overthrew Pronce Sihanouk for not being sufficiently anti-communist. And when the Vietnamese thrashed the Khmer Rouge, you backd them, just as you initiated the world jihadist movement and kepr arming Israel.
Of course, in a thread about Ukraine the resident fascist “Robert E.Smith” conveniently leaves out the fact that his CIA co-ideologues backed Galician fascists for the cause. Now, this neo-Hitlerite joker poses as “pro-Russian”.
You surely sound like a grandson of that Waffen SS veteran that was hailed in the Canadian parliament.

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 21:19 utc | 146

Or, maybe, there are no belief systems or philosophies less bloody than any others.
Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 21:13 utc | 143
Any and all folks and ideologues can redden their hands with blood under circumstances. On that I will agree. But there are factual causes that lead to various horrid developments in the world.
Thus, the current crisis in Ukraine (since the thread is about that) doesn’t involve tranny shows or the local communist party policies – banned by the co-ideologues of that far-right crettin you responded – but by the very capitalist elites that have been running the world for a long time.
Is is a coincidence that the fantastic rise of China did not require monumental destructive wars and destabilization of entire regions?

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 21:27 utc | 147

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 21:27 utc | 147
I will posit that all that matters is leadership. Aka black cat, white cat.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 21:34 utc | 148

I continue to posit that the ‘regime change’ needed is to replace private finance everywhere with totally sovereign public finance as a global utility instead of the cult/class jackboot it currently is.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 6 2024 15:42 utc | 7
How about YOU choose how to live YOUR life and let everyone else make their OWN choices on how to live THEIR lives?
.
That is, nobody appointed you God.

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Apr 6 2024 21:37 utc | 149

Meh…
https://ibb.co/G3M88Sq

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 6 2024 21:39 utc | 150

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 20:42 utc | 124
That’s because the obvious answer shatters your belief.
Peasant revolts are as natural, and inevitable as beta usurpation of alphas.
There can be no restitution or justice without blood. The wicked will not depart with their gains out of love or reason, and they certainly will not punish themselves out of repentance.
But until they are destroyed, they will continue to amass power to keep justice, which they know is coming, from reaching them.

Wrong. I specifically mentioned violent revolution as an option. I just don’t think it is effective. It might serve to dislodge a bad set of leaders but it won’t provide the basis for anything better to develop afterwards.
For example: can you sketch out how you think a 21st century ‘peasant revolt’ would look? Would it muster in the streets? Who would it go after? Politicians? Banksters in foreign countries? The CIA? Biolabs? Media personalities? The internet? Like I said, my mind goes blank. Maybe you could come up with something feasible.
That said, I believe you are correct: the guys now ruling the roost will not go of their own accord and they will have to be forced out. Part of their power depends upon the consent of the governed. That consent must be withheld somehow, then their power will soon evaporate absent its basis. I just don’t know how that might be effected.
==================================
And behind every ‘Christian capitalist’ is……

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 21:41 utc | 151

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 21:34 utc | 148
Leadership is absolutely important, but it does not appear in a vacuum. There are other factors involved and that of the ruling classes and their aims is of paramount importance.
Thus, Zelensky might have possessed actual leadrship skills, but could he really affect a change when the Maidanist regime was designed to serve the interests of the Anglo-American oligarchy and its Ukrainian compradores?

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 21:42 utc | 152

Re the rash of biased reporting propaganda and barefaced concocted fake news:
I remember about 1 month into the SMO, Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate, did a deep dive into it. They discovered evidence that Kiev was paying 150 … yes 150 … reputable UK PR companies to spin the war in their favour in the west. This was back when the Kremlin was in its Soviet mindset of “We say nothing about anything we do”. The Foreign Ministry didn’t even bother to contradict the lies, let alone print their own advances! Russia EVENTUALLY got on board the spin train, or more truly the setting-the-facts-straight train.
But beyond the fake textual press releases, then came all the false startup YT channels with their high quality videos of supposed Ukie strikes hitting Russian troops, narrated by authoritative sounding voices. So realistic, but all abject fabrications if one bothered to cross check.
What was initially a professional Kiev Psyop then multiplied exponentially into a Ukie amateur fanboy movement of millions of faked war clips — both textual and video. This was back before soldiers ***on either side*** were allowed to upload frontline footage. There were some portraying totally fictitious “latest hitech, US-developed wonder weapons which are going to annihilate the Russian Army”. It was then I realised that that sheeple were long gone and that Russia would never win the PR war … and not even allowed to win the ground war or cultural war.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 6 2024 21:43 utc | 153

https://escapepod.org/2014/02/28/ep437-rose-ecclesiastes/
Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 6 2024 18:08 utc | 59

The text has a foreshadowing of what is happening now on this planet:

‘Yes,” she replied, “the children born after the Rains could have no children of their own, and–”
“And what?” I was leaning forward, memory set at “record.”
“–and the men had no desire to get any.”

Substitute Jabs for Rains and it pretty much describes where humanity is now …

Posted by: Drifter | Apr 6 2024 21:46 utc | 154

I am done polluting with my off topic noise, and apologize.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 21:52 utc | 155

Ukraine never had a chance of defeating Russia – never! The only chance they had (and still have albeit very slim) is that the debacle would draw in NATO and spur a full mobilization commitment from the West to declare a fully kinetic WWIII. The only rational explanation that I can see for the Ukrainians clinging as tenaciously as possible to every square meter of land is that slim hope that the West will commit. Macron, servant of the Rothschilds, is leading the cheerleading to do so. But cooler heads seem to be prevailing, so far, despite the over-the-top rhetoric from the propaganda outlets.
BTW, most people in the West see through the lies of the MSM. The Western population is not as dumbed down as advertised. What we have is much worse – a comfortable and fearful society willing to turn a blind eye to maintain their comforts.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Apr 6 2024 21:58 utc | 156

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 21:08 utc | 141
Being disingenuous and omitting context is typical of a Zionist-Nazi-Fascist approach to argument.
The phrase was “….a real communist ALTERNATIVE to….”, ya’ fackin’ moron.
The rest of your rabid drivel has been adequately addressed and put to bed by others, so I won’t waste any more of the thread’s time on it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 6 2024 22:01 utc | 157

From Russell Bentley’s TG, keep in mind that Bentley often lets alarmism get the best of him, but he does have sharp wits and and ear to the ground, I posted for a “keep in the back of your mind” thing, who knows what the end stage of a desperate morally vacuous nazi mafia state spiraling straight down to hell will look like:

Archangel Spetsnaz a highly credible Telegram channel with over 1,100,000 subscribers and links to RF MoD, reports ukrop nazis now being found carrying atropine injectors. Atropine is an antidote for nerve gas. NATO/ukrop nazis have already used CW in this war.
The atropine is not to protect them from a Russian gas attack, but to protect them from potential “blowback” when the nazis use poison gas against Russian positions. I have been warning about the dangers of chemical and biological weapons use by our enemies before. In fact, they have ALREADY used both chemical and biological weapons in this war. So far, on a small scale, but t would be extremely unwise to think they wouldn’t do it again.
“>https://t.me/TXDPR/13414

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 6 2024 22:02 utc | 158

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 6 2024 22:02 utc | 158
Frontline Chemical and biological weapons are over-rated for so many tactical realities. They are best used on civilian populations far away from the front… …and even then are rarely as effective as imagined.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 22:08 utc | 159

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 21:13 utc | 143
You, not me, write ‘christian’ and “capitalist’. Not me. Cartoon black and white your thing, eh?

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 22:11 utc | 160

@Constantine – First, my father once told me to never argue with idiots. They just pull you down to their level and beat you with experience. Second, the Stalin question. I’ve seen the statues and flowers on Boris Rozhin’s site. It’s good to see. Stalin is probably the most slandered person in history. When one considers all his accomplishments (industrialization and defeating the fascists), it’s little wonder that there’s been such a concerted campaign to vilify him. It’s interesting to hear your thoughts on life in the CCCP. I imagine that you’re younger than I and if so, then he was probably murdered before you were born. (I was only 4 in ’53) I have suspicions that the person responsible for his murder (poisoning?) was also responsible, gave the order, for Beria’s murder. I’m certain that everything went downhill for the CCCP when Khrushchev assumed the throne. Perhaps this is the reason your views of the Soviets aren’t so positive. There are some, not many, here in the west that see Stalin as a great statesman. Had he not had the foresight to build a metallurgical industry in the Urals, the Red Armies could not have been supplied with arms. If he hadn’t industrialized and introduced mechanized farming, he would have had neither a bas for producing arms nor a mass of soldiers trained in operating machinery. Had he not signed a nonaggression treaty with Germany, the CCCP might have been attacked 22 months sooner. Had he not moved the Soviet armies into Poland, the German attack would have begun even closer to Moscow. If he hadn’t subdued Gen. Mannerheim’s Finland, Leningrad would have fallen. If he hadn’t ordered the transfer of 1400 factories from the west to the east, the most massive movement of its kind in history, Russian industry would have received a possibly fatal blow. He did not, of course, do these things alone. They were Party decisions and actions, and behind the Party throughout was the power, courage, and intelligence of the workers. It’s important to understand he wasn’t a mad dictator, which is the favorite slander from anti-communists. There were other great people from the central committee: Voroshilov, Molotov, Zhadanov, Kaganovitch, Manuilsky, et al. But Stalin stood at all times as the central, individual directing force, his magnificent courage and calm foresight inspiring the whole nation. Anyway, it’s good to know that there are still people around who appreciate the contribution Stalin made to building socialism and more than any other single individual was responsible for ending nazi imperialism.

Posted by: zeke2u | Apr 6 2024 22:22 utc | 161

Re: Bevin, Constantine, WhirlX, et al
I was careless with the use of the term “Bolshevik”.
Let me substitute “incompetent, ignorant, criminally insane ideologues, drunk on power and hubris”.
Better?

Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 6 2024 22:30 utc | 162

averros | Apr 6 2024 19:17 utc | 80
It matters very little where you were born and grew up.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 6 2024 22:31 utc | 163

‘Is is a coincidence that the fantastic rise of China did not require monumental destructive wars and destabilization of entire regions?”
Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 21:27 utc | 147
The ‘fantastic’ rise of China is a myth.
China had the largest economy in the world from 1,000 BC till 1730 when the UK overtook them.
In April 2012, according to ‘The Economist’ , China was once again by PPP (a much better measurement of A Sovereign’s economy than GDP) the latest economy in the world.
Today, by PPP China’s economy is 25% more than USA.
Hence, ‘the fantastic rise of China’ is but a return to the traditional.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 22:37 utc | 164

@Constantine
Thank you for your comments.

Posted by: S | Apr 6 2024 22:53 utc | 165

UWDude | Apr 6 2024 22:08 utc | 159
Those gas grenades used by the Nazis earlier on by dropping from UAV’s were particularly bad.
The Magyar neo-nazi gang were using them.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 6 2024 22:53 utc | 166

This is the dam-busting season in Ukraine. Russia should destroy all Ukrainian dams when rivers have swelled. War crimes? How about Belgorod and oil refineries?

Posted by: Jason | Apr 6 2024 22:58 utc | 167

Russian “confirmed losses” by Mediazona shows a steady and sustainable amount of losses on the Russian side of the conflict with a sudden increase in October (Battle of Avdiivka) and subsequent drop back to approximately 1000 losses a month.
(Ukraine claims Russia losses 1000 a day)
2nd half of 2023 had less losses than 2nd half of 2022 despite the Avdiivka offensive and more soldiers at the front comparatively.
1st half of 2024 is projected to have the lowest losses semi-annually compared to any other half year period since the start of the invasion.
“>https://t.me/CyberspecNews/50235

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 6 2024 23:00 utc | 168

@karlof1 #73, #76
See my highlight in a quote from one of the documents here.

Posted by: S | Apr 6 2024 23:01 utc | 169

quasi_verbatim 13
The only thing that makes sense to me about Ukraine is the British Great Game that must now be pursued by “” Atlantacists “”, through the US power of Khazarian neocons.
The US is a headless chicken dedicated to political grift and it looks at what it’s got, and then tries to find something useful to do with it. The US has got:
Spyware, bombs , useless nukes, allies in Europe and allies in West and East Asia. That’s it.
The ” policy ” in Ukraine is simply to utilise an ally to pot pheasants in the Caucasus and the policy in Israel is simply to utilise an ally to pot pheasants in oil-rich West Asia. Apart from bombastic self-ignorance that’s all there is in the headless chicken’s brain.
If only, if only the jerking dinosaur brain of New York had purpose and meaning, RoW could make a plan, but there is nothing there. RoW plan is simply to be in a position to react to the unpredictable jerks of the headless chicken.

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 6 2024 23:02 utc | 170

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 15:54 utc | 10
Pretty sure psycho isnt the WEF kind. The type of global utility psycho speaks of is most likely in a walk the talk talk the talk way. WEF is name only. You dig?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 6 2024 23:11 utc | 171

Posted by: Jason | Apr 6 2024 22:58 utc | 167
##########
My friend, you would benefit from getting a little more control of your emotions.
Being reactive means that other people can control you by setting you off whenever they want.
Don’t get cold feet now. Russia has things as well in hand as they can. They’ve come to the precipice of collapsing NATO.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 23:14 utc | 172

Let me substitute “incompetent, ignorant, criminally insane ideologues, drunk on power and hubris”.
Better?
Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 6 2024 22:30 utc | 162
Nice. But you didn’t go quite far enough. You left out the rationalizing, blow hard part.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 23:23 utc | 173

Scorpion 111
Spying is not a problem if the rules are clearly defined about what the consequences will be for illicitly discovered behaviour and double standards prevail.
The Israeli and Ukrainian genocides are awash with hypocrisy and double standards at all levels. Only strict adherence to agreed national and international laws can prevent that.
So long as Talmudic Judaism’s Wage War by deception is the route taken, war will automatically follow.
Talmudic Judaism and vicarious atoment of sins Christianity are garbage and must be destroyed because they the easiest laws to abuse
Nobody would need to spy on anybody if the rules were crystal clear, but unfortunately the present social orders want them kept vague.

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 6 2024 23:24 utc | 174

S | Apr 6 2024 23:01 utc | 169–
Thanks for your reply. I noted that doc too and the big contradiction it contained–you can’t have NATO and Helsinki principles at the same time. Plus, NATO was already interfering with CIS states. So, those “reassurances” themselves were a lie. Interesting timing for the latest document dump.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 6 2024 23:42 utc | 175

‘Capitalism,’ ‘political economy’ is essentially the cult of Mammon. Never been anything but. ‘Communism,’ ‘socialism’ is just the monstrous bastard child of that false idol. What great societies leading to golden ages have done is simply pass and enforce laws of ethical reason and experience, without any satanic materialistic theory. To paraphrase Solon, a shield for the rich and poor.

Posted by: T J Foster | Apr 6 2024 23:53 utc | 176

Biden and his people have no skills in deescalation or drawing down anything. They did exit Afghanistan but even botched any method to do it without disaster. So don’t expect leadership from the US. But European countries are waiting for cues from the US so they won’t provide any either. This will indeed be a fight to the last Ukrainian or the government gets toppled from within.

Posted by: WG | Apr 6 2024 23:54 utc | 177

@10 Canuck
‘Controle local’ é outro nome para Feudalismo.
Não precisamos de tal regressão.
O que precisamos é de uma forma de controle que estabeleça uma dialética entre o local e o central e que garanta o bem estar dos produtores e consumidores através de um auto-governo.
Que me desculpem os anti-comunista, mas isto é o verdadeiro comunismo marxiano (não o que conhecemos até agora) e somente ele pode estabelecer um metabolismo social viável e eficiente.

Posted by: Soviético | Apr 6 2024 23:59 utc | 178

Completando…
Viável, eficiente e sustentável.

Posted by: Soviético | Apr 7 2024 0:03 utc | 179

Legitimate
#rumors
There were several flights in Odessa. One of the arrivals was in the port territory.
Local people write that they got into something serious, as ambulances go all the time.
There is also a re-detonation at the site of the hit.
Russians have become much more accurate at hitting targets, and they also have more information about the” hidden objects/warehouses ” of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
They probably have more informants.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2024 0:06 utc | 180

I have wondered a few times about the term “shopping centers” used by Ukraine TG channels Resident and Legitimate. At first, I had though the recruiters operated from actual shopping centers. This one pretty much spells it out.

Legitimate
#layout
The attack on the shopping center will only increase.
So in Kiev, on Sholom Aleichem Street, a man attacked employees of the Desnyansky military enlistment office when they stopped him for an inspection and wanted to pack him. At this moment, another approached and hit the head of the TSKASHNIK, and the second began to threaten with a knife.
The man was detained.
But the very fact of an attack is an indicator of how people react to shopping malls, which are hated in society.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2024 0:10 utc | 181

Government is a thing like conscience, or reason in ethics and life. It has to learn as it goes and grows. Men have to garden. You do something here or there, usually not so much, occasionally drastic. What the Anglo countries, for example, need to do is pass laws to punish the establishment for their obvious folly, deciet and theft. You don’t need to steal and redistribute. A court does not have to end in plunder. But there have to be consequences for demonic and destructive behaviour. Reform has to be made a rule of law, with extreme prejudice.

Posted by: T J Foster | Apr 7 2024 0:11 utc | 182

Some wicked men are rich, some good are poor;
We will not change our virtue for their store:
Virtue’s a thing that none can take away,
But money changes owners all the day.
– Solon of Athens

Posted by: T J Foster | Apr 7 2024 0:26 utc | 183

ADL is your outfit, Yankee clown. There is none of that in Russia nor was there one in the USSR.
LOL
Try Browder, Safra, and Berezovsky. Yeltsin was their puppet. He finally sobered up and brought in Putin. Russia was provoked into war by Nuland and Feltman in revenge, along with the goal to get them out of Syria. The war was an excuse to get Sanctions in the belief it would destroy Russia. Thankfully it failed and Orthodox Christian Russia is rising.

Posted by: JackG | Apr 7 2024 0:26 utc | 184

Need some clarification on something thats been pestering me in regards to the Israeli attack on the Iranian embassy / consulate as I cant decide which one of the following option or options is correct. Maybe someone else can chime in.
Option 1: The f35’s used in the attack have stealth technology that actually works and Syrian/ Russian radars were unable to see them. Including the s-300 and s-400.
Option 2: The Russians were notified by the Israelis of the impending attack, per their supposed agreement, and allowed the attack to happen without alerting the Iranians , and possibly the Syrians.
Option 3: The Israelis notified Russia but there wasnt enough time to warn the Iranians. If true, it begs the question ” what kind of agreement the Russians agreed too ? ”
Option 4: The Israelis didnt warn Russia which would be a direct slap in Russia’s face.
I’m sure other folks can think of some more possibilities but it seems like an odd situation to me.

Posted by: Mooniee | Apr 7 2024 0:28 utc | 185

The alliance between the populist left and the populist right in opposing the war against Russia and the Gazacaust is trying at times.
Must remember we are both opposing psychopaths that are going to start a nuclear f-ing war.

Posted by: JackG | Apr 7 2024 0:31 utc | 186

Option 1: The f35’s used in the attack have stealth technology that actually works and Syrian/ Russian radars were unable to see them. Including the s-300 and s-400.
Posted by: Mooniee | Apr 7 2024 0:28 utc | 185
S-200s are set position. Russian bases are set position. The S-300’s Russia sent to Syria, but then withdrew were mobile units.
The Israelis took the F-35s on a flight path that was out of range of the set positions.
When the S-300s were in Syria, the few strikes Israel conducted in that area would have a flight path through American airspace. Jordan, Iraq, then up through far eastern Syria.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2024 0:34 utc | 187

Hence, ‘the fantastic rise of China’ is but a return to the traditional.
canuck | Apr 6 2024 22:37 utc | 164
This is a very stupid comment. It is perfectly true that China was probably the largest economy in the world until the late C18th or early C19th. Some people would say as late as the 1840s.
But not to recognise the astonishing achievements it has registered since 1949 and to suggest, on the basis of a quick bit of googling, that the rise from the depths it had reached then to the current standards achieved is foolish-even by canuck’s standards which are extremely low.
The truth is that canuck is a troll- for his monument look around you at a thread full of stupid comments most of them juvenile renditions of the sort of talking points-anti-communist, anti-socialist, anti-working class- that have been sending masons, rotarians and Boy Scouts to sleep for decades.
What is interesting about this current assault on the forum by trolls is that they spend almost as much time telling one another how clever they are as they do assuring us that capitalism is an innocent party in the politics of a world which it dominates.
They do this despite their faux populist attitude of blaming the powers that be, The City, or the oligarchy or the state (all of which are clearly dominated by capitalist interests) for the lack of democracy that they pretend to see as problematic. Theirs are the politics of petit bourgeois proto fascists and, while claiming otherwise, they are pillars of the status quo who rush out to defend the system from its only real critics, the socialists, whose politics are founded on the principle that inequality in wealth and power are destructive of democracy in any of its forms.
This is an age in which the economy has become subject to a degree of practical monopolisation that cannot co-exist with democracy. The only hope for those who wish to promote and extend human freedom, including individual rights and freedom of speech, is for society to organise itself to take monopolies like the world wide web back into the hands of the public from which it and most of the other monopolies was taken by the capitalist class.
A vital tool in the self organisation of society is the public forum which is shrinking every day, attacked by packs of capitalists and their creatures who fear truth and honest discussion because it can only lead to democratic outcomes, which, in socio-economic terms implies social rather than class or individual control over land and capital.
As to the silly, very silly, polemics regarding the history of the Soviet Union-which by any measure was exemplary in its virtues in comparison with the histories of the capitalist states, including Hitler’s Germany, Ramsay Macdonald’s British Empire or Ike’s America, during the 1917-1989 era- these are tainted by the fundamental dishonesty of trolls.
A dishonesty which refuses to acknowledge the critical importance of the US role in rescuing Pol Pot and the ‘Khmer Rouge’ from an angry population led by VN Giap’s Vietnamese liberation army.
Its headlong flight from the Vietnamese,and the thousands of Cambodian partisans fighting alongside them, ended when the US provided it with refuge in military bases straddling the Thai border. The US provided it, in its terrorist raids into Cambodia, with air cover and all the necessary arms and ammunition. It paid Pol Pot’s loyalist forces and veotoed all attempts to replace his spokesmen in the United Nations, just as a generation earlier they had insisted on Chiang’s retention of China’s seat in the Security Council lonbg after he had lost every foothold in China itself.
A dishonesty which, while ripping out of context the second civil war in the USSR in the late 1930s, never mentions the tens of millions killed by the Imperialist governments, led by the USA, from Guatemala, where genocide against the Maya was applauded by the CIA and Washington, to Indonesia and East Timor where millions of communist voters and democrats were killed with the approval, knowledge and applause, not to mention financial incentives, of the imperialist governments.
We are all going to have to choose whether we want this forum to degenerate further into a drunken brawl in which lies and half truths play the part of bad money in a Gresham’s law of debate or whether we are going to discourage idlers and stoners from insulting our intelligence. And the best and kindest way of doing this is simply to refuse to rise to the bait they offer and ignore them.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 7 2024 0:40 utc | 188

Posted by: Mooniee | Apr 7 2024 0:28 utc | 185
Russia withdrew its S300 in Aug 2022, and the S400 that still remains is for protecting Russian assets only.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 7 2024 0:41 utc | 189

I’m sure other folks can think of some more possibilities but it seems like an odd situation to me.
Posted by: Mooniee | Apr 7 2024 0:28 utc | 185
What occurs to me is that anti aircraft assets tend to be positioned in those areas that are believed to be probable targets. If nobody anticipated an attack against an area that has an embassy, most likely there wasn’t much available to defend against an air attack. I don’t give it enough attention to be sure about it, but it does seem like Israel can get into Syria with aircraft. If otherwise, I stand corrected.

Posted by: Jmaas | Apr 7 2024 0:47 utc | 190

Three batteries of S-300 were ‘given’ to Syria after the Russian transport plane was shot down. No Israeli planes entered Syrian held airspace after that.
And as UWDude says, the Russian systems at the Russian bases are purely for protecting Russian assets. So with the nominally Syrian S-300’s removed, Israel only has to plot a course around the fixed instillations of S-200s

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2024 0:49 utc | 191

@14 Perímetro.
Normalmente eu pulo comentários que denominam os neocons que controlam o estado norte-americano como ‘bolcheviques’.
Mas decidi responder-te que, se queres algum respeito nos debates de fóruns como o do MoA, estude o significado de denominações políticas como a que está em questão.

Posted by: Soviético | Apr 7 2024 1:02 utc | 192

While clearly an established trope well before (going back to the just wars demanded by Roman religious legalism and beyond), Star Wars: Episode IV (1977) was a propaganda watershed: the film (and its diadochi) performed (and continue to perform) a vast amount of ideological work seeding a very simple binary-manichean interpretation of history and international politics. This is doubled-down in the dissemination of comic book versions of global/cosmic struggle which now inform how 90% of the world perceives conflict in general. The only antidote to this I know is Greek thought: tragedy, historiography and philosophy, in which conflict is never cast as a cosmic battle between good and evil but in terms of human error and overreach.

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 7 2024 1:03 utc | 193

Posted by: AllSeeingEye | Apr 6 2024 16:13 utc | 20
Reminds me of Ambrose and Theodosius. And that worked!

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 7 2024 1:06 utc | 194

Thanks b, l’m glad I no longer read MSM and feel sorry that you have to.
But,that kind of fake information being passed off as truth infiltrates even this hallowed bar.
Psycohistrorian has rightfully called bs on some of the posts here.
I mean, anyone forget 80 000 sacrifices in 4 days?

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 7 2024 1:12 utc | 195

No useful Ukro info and no insightful links today, just a bunch of midwits jawboning at each other and insulting their choice of words or ridiculing their equally ridiculous theories…
Just provide facts people, report on events and state your cases. And keep it fvcking concise.

Posted by: bisfugged | Apr 7 2024 1:17 utc | 196

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 7 2024 1:03 utc | 193
Episode 2, and especially 3 were incredibly complex. The only moral hold the audience had was to know that “Senator Palpatine” was evil, (because they already knew he was the emperor), while the Jedi unwittingly carried out his will.
There is a great breakdown of the story on youtube, that explains Anakin’s point of view.. ..and note, the Jedi were hated by many for many reasons, and they were hypocrites.
It’s really an insult to compare the Star Wars prequels to Marvel and DC movies, (and most Hollywood shite), which essentially start with an attempted rape, woman beating, torture, or child hurting so you can know who to hate and who to cheer for from the beginning.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 7 2024 1:17 utc | 197

@29 Steven Hines.
Não Steven, você é que está enganado.
A propriedade privada dos meios de produção é sim, entre OUTRAS CARACTERISTICAS do capitalismo (tais como a divisão social hierárquica, o uso fetichista do dinheiro e outras mais), causa de todos os desastres listados (e de muitos outros mais).

Posted by: Soviético | Apr 7 2024 1:19 utc | 198

@34 rianng
A identificação do bolchevismo não é étnica, religiosa ou qualquer outra que não seja POLÍTICA.
Chega de tais estultícia!

Posted by: Soviético | Apr 7 2024 1:25 utc | 199

Posted by: bevin | Apr 7 2024 0:40 utc | 188
Hence, ‘the fantastic rise of China’ is but a return to the traditional.
canuck | Apr 6 2024 22:37 utc | 164
This is a very stupid comment. It is perfectly true that China was probably the largest economy in the world until the late C18th or early C19th. Some people would say as late as the 1840s.
But not to recognise the astonishing achievements it has registered since 1949 and to suggest, on the basis of a quick bit of googling, that the rise from the depths it had reached then to the current standards achieved is foolish-even by canuck’s standards which are extremely low.

With respect, old chap, your comment is a bit stupid too. China simply came late to the West’s Industrial Revolution party. Stalin did the same thing a few decades earlier. It is somewhat of a miracle but it’s more of a global historical phenomenon than a Chinese or Russian one per se. Russia got a lot of things wrong with their overly dogmatic approach to mechanizing everything (materialism on steroids via marxist dogma which probably Marx would have deplored). China did a better job because they started later, just as the Asian Tigers did slightly before, but not before bloody revolutions and pretty draconian ideological excesses as well.
Relax, bevin. There are different versions of history sincerely held and nobody, not even you with all your impressive knowledge, knows the whole story. As you very well know we are all subject to confirmation bias, and someone like yourself with very strong, and well informed opinions, is also going to have no less strong confirmation bias filters.
Again and again you maintain that ALL stories of wrongdoing in early communist times are total lies. This is an extreme position clearly indicating confirmation bias on your part. That’s okay, we all have it and it doesn’t mean all your knowledge is useless; however, it does mean you might consider dismounting from your high horse. Let other people hold differing views. Show more decorum and respect.
As no doubt you were taught early on: ‘manners maketh Man’. How true.

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 7 2024 1:26 utc | 200