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April 06, 2024

Ukraine - Faking News Still Does Not Help Winning

I find it amusing how little western media have learned from their own reporting on the war in Ukraine.

Two years ago a mystic 'Ghost of Kiev' was allegedly shooting down Russian aircraft left and right. The ghost turned out to be a fake character. The Ukrainian air force had never had such successes.

Two years on it is still the same story. The Ukrainian government claims something and western media print it as if it had really happened.

When the claim is debunked, often sooner than later, its simply vanishes from the headlines.

Yesterday we had this media wave:

The Russia side confirmed the attacks but denied any significant damage:

Rybar Force @rybar_force - 9:58 UTC · Apr 5, 2024
During the night, the AFU launched drones into Russian territory.

🔻The primary target was the Morozovsk airfield in the Rostov region, where Ukrainian forces dispatched 44 drones. The exact type remains unknown and will be determined upon analyzing the debris. However, there is a high likelihood that these are the same UAVs that the enemy has been utilizing in recent weeks.

Out of these, 26 drones were intercepted by Pantsir-S1 air defense missile systems, and 18 by rifle squads. Based on the videos circulating online, it is evident that the drones were flying at an extremely low altitude, enhancing the level of stealth.

There was no significant damage to the infrastructure. The debris hit a few buildings. Additionally, the substation suffered damage, resulting in a temporary power outage.
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❗️ Thanks to the swift response of the air defense crews, any severe repercussions from the attacks were averted - claims from Ukrainian sources about the alleged destruction of six aircraft are fakes coming from enemy propagandists.

The Russia claim of no significant damage has been confirmed by the anti-Russian Institute for the Study of War:

ISW has yet to find any visual evidence that Ukrainian forces have damaged or destroyed aircraft or infrastructure at any of the four Russian airbases targeted by drones on the night of 4-5 April.

Such news cycles of fake claims of alleged Ukrainian successes are a major reason why some in the western public still believe that the Ukraine can win the war.

That is however not the case. The situation requires a change of attitude:

Instead of a new approach, the old pattern continues: NATO mulls over how to help Ukraine without provoking open war with Russia and fails, in the end, to deliver the kind of decisive assistance needed to turn the course of the war.

Another established pattern is the repetition of moralistic binary language. The West “cannot let Russia win.” The “rules-based order” could unravel. Then there is the new domino theory: if Ukraine falls, Russian hordes will flood further west. The personalization of the conflict onto one evil man, Vladimir Putin, continues with the death of Alexei Navalny. It is a Manichean struggle of good and evil, democracy and authoritarianism, civilization and darkness. There can be “no peace until the tyrant falls.” The Western alliance must not waver in its commitment to Ukraine.
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The lack of realism in Western discourse is clear. There is indeed a serious risk that, rather than the West teaching Russia a lesson and putting Putin in his place, the opposite may occur. Is Russia, in fact, educating the West on what it means to use hard power and wage interstate conflict in twenty-first-century conditions? Russia advertises its version of great power sovereignty, in which a united, resilient, and unwavering state can defeat the pooled sovereignty of the EU and NATO.

We have all heard the objection that Putin simply cannot be trusted and that he wants nothing less than the complete elimination of Ukraine as an independent state. Yet, does not the blind continuation of the West’s dysfunctional Plan A also threaten the total physical destruction of Ukraine? It is for this reason that Pope Francis has called on Western leaders not to be “ashamed to negotiate before things get worse.”

A new approach to the war in Ukraine will not emerge from rhetorical and moralistic proclamations. Words alone will not prevent a Russian victory. What is needed is a clear accounting of what can be realistically achieved with the means available, as well as the cost, risks, and benefits of different scenarios. Trying what has failed before and expecting new results is, after all, not a recipe for success.

I see no appetite in any western nation to really intervene in the war and to experience the Russian wrath that any intervention force would be submitted to.

But the current crop of western 'leaders' is too committed to the failed case for Ukraine they now have made for more than two years. For now they are likely to try to just muddle through.

We will have to wait for some 'regime change' for a return to sanity and realism.

Posted by b on April 6, 2024 at 15:18 UTC | Permalink

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It is distressing for our own democracies that we are fed this pap. It speaks volumes about the morality of our leaders but also the gullibility of our publics.

Posted by: Mike Price | Apr 6 2024 15:28 utc | 1

We're looking at Star Wars -The Empire (Putin) Strikes Back.
We all know in the end the forces of Good (West) will prevail. Hollywood never lie.

Posted by: Surferket | Apr 6 2024 15:37 utc | 2

They have to destroy the village in order to save it from being governed by Russians.
It's just a very big village.

Posted by: Red Outsider | Apr 6 2024 15:37 utc | 3

"I find it amusing how little western media have learned from their own reporting on the war in Ukraine."

b

Well the thing is these 'people ' are not reporters they are disseminating quislings against their own populace as they are knowingly spewing propaganda.

There probably are a few dolts whom believe the propaganda but I think the majority cannot be that ignorant.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 15:38 utc | 4

Excellent piece, b. When wishful thinking and bald-faced lies are substituted for reality and facts, the West will not only hasten its demise, but will do so in a disastrously clownish manner.

Posted by: Moses22 | Apr 6 2024 15:39 utc | 5

its a war of propaganda b, and the west is winning, lol.... more propaganda! feel good about the propaganda!

of course propaganda is a drug.. once you are addicted to it, it is hard to stop!! the west has a drug problem with a drug called 'propaganda'...

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2024 15:40 utc | 6

@ b who ended with
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We will have to wait for some 'regime change' for a return to sanity and realism.
"

I continue to posit that the 'regime change' needed is to replace private finance everywhere with totally sovereign public finance as a global utility instead of the cult/class jackboot it currently is.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 6 2024 15:42 utc | 7

When the claim is debunked, often sooner than later, its simply vanishes from the headlines.

Posted by b on April 6, 2024 at 15:18 UTC | Permalink

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Repeating their claims is a way of calling them liars without calling them liars, which is great where outsiders can see they lack integrity and wisdom.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 15:44 utc | 8

i might add that ukraine is good at servicing the wests drug problem... have to give credit where credit is due! between them and the western military experts, the west is truly f@ked.. the military and banking complex are in the clear though...

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2024 15:47 utc | 9

"@ b who ended with
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We will have to wait for some 'regime change' for a return to sanity and realism.
"

I continue to posit that the 'regime change' needed is to replace private finance everywhere with totally sovereign public finance as a global utility instead of the cult/class jackboot it currently is."

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 6 2024 15:42 utc | 7

"Global utility" is a WEF wet dream! No thanks.

! don't think we want centralization of any kind going forward-we are at the end of a cycle now we will see more local control as the Institutions deteriorate as time goes on and that system will be great improvement over what we 'enjoy' now.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 15:54 utc | 10

It's all designed to get the neocolonicons past the election...then the deluge.

The idea is to saddle Trump with the negotiation/surrender and the blame.
"We were winning until..Trump took over...return necolonicons to power!!! "

Posted by: S Brennan | Apr 6 2024 15:55 utc | 11

"muddle through" my the good Lord spare us.....

.....regime change and return to sanity....

Who, what, how, where and muddling aside, when?

Commited....they sure as hell should be.

Cheers M

....breaking from tradition: in the west 'commited' being admitted to the Insane Asylum versus commited, more determined.....


Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 15:55 utc | 12

Slavic depopulation will continue until the New Khazaria is sufficiently cleared of its indigenous untermenschen -- a land without people for a people in need of a new land.

Posted by: quasi_verbatim | Apr 6 2024 15:57 utc | 13

I submit that most of the citizens of all the Western nations would be overjoyed to rid themselves of the current crop of clinically insane ideologues who rule their nations -- incompetent, warmongering fools who think only of war and care nothing for the people of their own nations.

The Bolsheviks who have taken power in the US are clearly planning on rigging the upcoming presidential election (assuming they allow it to take place). Eliminating voter ID requirements and allowing many millions of illegal immigrants to vote, allowing massive mail-in ballots to continue (43% of all votes in the last presidential election were mail-in votes), allowing Dominion voting machines to continue in use in 25% of all voting districts, and weaponizing the law to eliminate viable opposition candidates -- that is the US today and this is a setup for massive civil violence. From what I can see, things are not much better in Europe, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

So the Russians have my permission to dispose of these insane political elites. I prefer a non-nuclear solution, but I suppose that is wishful thinking.

Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 6 2024 16:01 utc | 14

Posted by: quasi_verbatim | Apr 6 2024 15:57 utc | 13

Or until the enemy of humanity is wiped off the face of the earth.

Posted by: Robert E. Smith | Apr 6 2024 16:02 utc | 15

“Kyiv in NATO after capitulation: the scenario that Europe fears if Trump wins the elections” - La Repubblica

The publication writes that the deal to end the war, supported by the United States, in the event of Biden's defeat, is known to everyone: territories in exchange for security - Ukraine gives the Russians all the territories that were conquered over the past two years, and Crimea, but with a guarantee of the immediate entry of the remaining Ukraine to NATO after the borders are fixed.

Officially, NATO is not eager to accept a new member that, because of the alliance's collective security pact, would drag it into the largest land war in Europe since 1945. The United States and Germany remain opposed to Ukraine's proposal to begin membership talks and want the issue taken off the table at celebrations planned in Washington in July.

Therefore, this option was discussed informally at the last Alliance summit in Brussels. However, it is becoming more and more realistic, especially in light of the upcoming US elections.

La Repubblica notes that this scenario is similar to the division of Germany into a Soviet-controlled East and a West after World War II, but with:

“Such a scenario would speed up the release of aid to Kyiv, which is currently blocked in Congress, especially in anticipation of Trump’s possible return to the White House.”

It is noteworthy that La Repubblica changed the original “vague” title of the article: “Territories in exchange for security: the hypothesis of Kyiv’s entry into the alliance if Zelensky accepts capitulation to Putin” to a more harsh wording: “Kyiv in NATO after capitulation in the event of Trump’s victory.”

This change is a clear signal that the West is ready to sacrifice Ukrainian territories in order to end the conflict, but Ukraine’s admission into NATO piecemeal may again remain a promise.

Changing the title of the article shows that little depends on Zelensky. The West no longer believes in the victory of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the battlefield. The choice for Zelensky now looks like this:

- capitulation, abandonment of 5 regions and the chance that the rest of Ukraine will be accepted into NATO

or

- a freeze according to Erdogan’s proposed Istanbul-2, definitely without NATO, but without official recognition of the loss of territories.


https://t.me/legitimniy/17614

Posted by: Down South | Apr 6 2024 16:02 utc | 16

Perimetr | Apr 6 2024 16:01 utc | 14

I suppose that, in a formal sense, you are right: those in power in the United States are the majority faction in the uniparty, thsat would make them in Russian Bolsheviks.

Otherwise, if you are attempting to establish a political continuity between the Bolsheviks who took power in Russia in 1917- and immediately ended the war, published the secret treaties and expopriated private property in the means of production- and the current US ruling party you will have to do more than simply assert a connection which is, on the face of it, insanely a-historical.

It is better to say nothing than to mislead others.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 6 2024 16:07 utc | 17

There probably are a few dolts whom believe the propaganda but I think the majority cannot be that ignorant.
Posted by: canuck | Apr 6 2024 15:38 utc | 4

You are one of the “dolts” who believe the propaganda that ‘There Is No Alternative’ to the capitalist economic system (spouted by the same outlets who b calls out in this piece), despite the objective reality that this capitalist system produces imperialism, oppression, war, genocide, apartheid, famine, environmental destruction and pollution, disease and ill health.

There are enough resources in the world to eradicate all of these evils, but the oligarchs hoard the resources while the vulnerable suffer.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Apr 6 2024 16:09 utc | 18

This level of censorship is achieved by the mental reduction of prpopaganda subjects on the West. There is no need for a strict control of journalists and media. Readers and listeners simply do not understand non represive language and do not want to hear the truth. They just do not need the reality, they want this collective Hollywood dream.

The most of people in EU and USA simply love deep state. It is their life, there is nothing else left.1

Posted by: vargas | Apr 6 2024 16:10 utc | 19

Until the Pope shows some backbone and excommunicates Genocide Joe over his ceaseless arming of the Zionist mass murderers, there is zero reason to take him seriously.

Posted by: AllSeeingEye | Apr 6 2024 16:13 utc | 20

What is most amusing is that most of the accounts of other military episodes over the last ...forever are just as false.

Posted by: jef | Apr 6 2024 16:17 utc | 21

Insightful article b - Glad you didn't reach straight for the apocryphal Einstein 'definition of insanity' quote but I imagine you were sorely tempted.
One thing I do occasionally is grok pro-Kiev pro-NATO media to remind myself that everything is a reality tunnel. I took up a previous MoA comment to watch a YouTuber called 'Willy OAM' (his bio states he was an Australian infantry soldier with a medical discharge who went to Ukraine in 2022 and obviously drank the grape Flavor Aid - clearly a modest chap, the 'OAM' comes from The 'Queen's Order of Australia Medal' he was given for military service).

Anyway, coincidentally in today's post he is talking about the Morozovsk airfield 'raid' & what's interesting is even for pro-Kiev stenographer, the level of propaganda is too much to swallow & he bemoans this fact as damaging to the Kiev regime.
Any psychologist would recognise the obvious projection & the real damage is of course to his belief systems & the fact he is now revising his uncritical past acceptance of Kiev/BBC Action propaganda & his part in perpetuating the lies.
Of course, his 'awakening' would have happened over a period of weeks/months but it is striking to see the deep level of disillusionment among even the most Russophobic of NAFOids.

https://youtu.be/83AHw0NqfV8?si=R5eG4rlxCOl5w0M7

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Apr 6 2024 16:18 utc | 22

The power elites of the Global North have learned their subjects will believe and act as directed from stimulus of corporate/security state controlled mass media. The ability to effectively create and stimulate the conditioned reflex of consent to their authority from a significant proportion of the population is alarming.

Posted by: Wilikins | Apr 6 2024 16:20 utc | 23

George Orwell: "Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building emotional superstructures over events that never happened. I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various 'party lines'.”

"Looking Back on the Spanish Civil War," The Collected Essays, Journalism and Letters of George Orwell, vol. 2, pp. 256—57.

Posted by: Nick | Apr 6 2024 16:27 utc | 24

Canuck,reading your comment I can say the same thoughts invade, pound and punish my mind every day.
The best bank in the US of A is the bank of North Dakota, a public bank.
A foreigner like me cannot easily open an account and deposit moderate savings at BND.
Or otherwise anyone s got a suggestion?

Posted by: augusto | Apr 6 2024 16:32 utc | 25

Posted by: AllSeeingEye | Apr 6 2024 16:13 utc | 20

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The Pope is irrelevant. To men, and I suspect, to God.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 16:38 utc | 26

that quote There can be “no peace until the tyrant falls.” Simon Tisdall (the Observer) 16 march
the phrase "Scratch a Liberal, and a Fascist bleeds"? is never more apt than with mr Tisdall, and most Liberals
the media itself fell years ago; wonder if they already know it (or not)

Posted by: chris m | Apr 6 2024 16:45 utc | 27

The propaganda's ridiculously self-destructive. They believe their own press and thus continue on when they should've changed course eons ago. The NAFO crowd doesn't realize that they're among the biggest useful idiots in history; it's their cheerleading that continues to lead Ukraine to the slaughter, hastening Russia's goal of disarming and denazifying them.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Apr 6 2024 16:46 utc | 28

Lev Davidovich, you have no clue what you are talking about. Capitalism is just the private ownership of the means of production. That's all. The private ownership of the means of production doesn't cause all the various ills you list. Political corruption and a breakdown of the law to the point where it's not applied equally to every member of society is what causes those things. Canuck is spot on in his comment. Central control is the enemy, and decentralization is the cure for it.

Posted by: Steven Hines | Apr 6 2024 16:47 utc | 29

@Wilikins | Apr 6 2024 16:20 utc | 23

The power elites of the Global North have learned their subjects will believe and act as directed from stimulus of corporate/security state controlled mass media. The ability to effectively create and stimulate the conditioned reflex of consent to their authority from a significant proportion of the population is alarming.
Well, the "events" of 2020/2021 was an extensive exercise in obedience training, and the population passed the test in flying colors.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 6 2024 16:47 utc | 30

Posted by: jef | Apr 6 2024 16:17 utc | 21

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Hollywood productions are an extension of WW2 propaganda. That's why we still see German Nazis in TV shows and movies decades after the war. I'll never forget seeing the original Star Trek and they go to the Nazi planet. By that point, the German people had been sufficiently shamed and degraded post-war by the American occupation. Star Trek wasn't for Germans though. It was for a domestic American audience that needed the self-esteem gained from overcoming the "greatest evil of all time".

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 16:49 utc | 31

Everyone who knows anything must surely notice the stark difference between the way Russia and Israel are treated by western governments and their tame media. Russia carefully tries to avoid civilian casualties and gets inundated with massive sanctions for their trouble, while Israel kills upwards or 20,000 Palestinian women and children and nobody does anything!

Posted by: D J G | Apr 6 2024 16:50 utc | 32

It is distressing for our own democracies...
Posted by: Mike Price | Apr 6 2024 15:28 utc | 1

What planet do you live on? democracies...... You sound like a wannabe western politician

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 6 2024 16:50 utc | 33

Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 6 2024 16:01 utc | 14

Correct

Posted by: bevin | Apr 6 2024 16:07 utc | 17

Incorrect (as if it ever has to be stated commentary coming from a 'person' who's name ends in '-evin')

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The relevant ethnic/racial/religous identifier of Bolsheviks is that they are jews. Not Russians, not Russian jews, but jews.

That is not to say they aren't Russians, just that the relevant part is they are JEWS.

Posted by: ryanggg | Apr 6 2024 16:52 utc | 34

Same old same old.

These news rags lie because people still believe it.

Half a century ago, there was no internet. The propaganda from newspapers radio and television sets was to be believed without question because there is no alternative.

Today, with the internet people can access nearly every view point including those of adversaries, share information like never before as every one has device one can instantly take pictures and share to the entire world.. etc.

You'd think people will be drawn to the truth despite propaganda from everywhere.

Nope.

Instead we got echo chambers. People get comfortable falling into an endless pit of propaganda re affirming their chosen worldviews.

All the interent revealed is how irrational the human mind.

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Apr 6 2024 16:53 utc | 35

Posted by: D J G | Apr 6 2024 16:50 utc | 32

The reason nobody does anything is because jews have total and complete control over all of the apptatus of power. Financial, political, media, militarily.

Their power is so overwhelmingly total and complete that their biggest concern is YOUR SPEECH and THOUGHT.

They aim to stifle it.

Posted by: ryanggg | Apr 6 2024 16:55 utc | 36

@Peter AU1 | Apr 6 2024 16:50 utc | 33

What planet do you live on? democracies......
Indeed, I had the same reaction. If there is one lesson from this we should have learned it is that there is no democracy in the "west".

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 6 2024 16:56 utc | 37

You are one of the “dolts” who believe the propaganda that ‘There Is No Alternative’ to the capitalist economic system...

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Apr 6 2024 16:09 utc | 18

You are the dolt who does not understand that West is no longer capitalist and its economic system is corporatist. Corporatism is also known as "the third way" or economic system of fascism and has been sold to dolts like you as "socialism with human face", as opposed to the original socialism with its crushing poverty for masses and labor camps.

Russia is prevailing precisely because it is de-facto more capitalist than the West. Less taxes, less regulations, much less government freebies (so no permanent underclass is created). Oh, and conservative society rejecting giving preferences to "oppressed".

Posted by: averros | Apr 6 2024 16:58 utc | 38

original socialism with its crushing poverty for masses and labor camps.
Posted by: averros | Apr 6 2024 16:58 utc | 38

Some of you Americans are really effed up. Too much reds under the beds and McCarthyism.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 6 2024 17:04 utc | 39

@FieryButMostPeaceful | Apr 6 2024 16:53 utc | 35

The problem isn't the internet per se. The problem is the 'telescreens' ('smart' phones) that are never switched off, making independent thinking and normal conversation almost impossible. A-social media constantly bombard people with the commandments of the Ministry Of Truth, while each year issuing an ever thinner dictionary of allowed words.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 6 2024 17:06 utc | 40

I continue to posit that the 'regime change' needed is to replace private finance everywhere with totally sovereign public finance as a global utility instead of the cult/class jackboot it currently is.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 6 2024 15:42 utc | 7

Definitely step one...after the seizure of state power by the organized wage slaves. No logical steps like converting finance into a public utility can be taken until a revolution, very likely one of organized violence, takes place.

As REM once sang: "You can't get there from here."

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 6 2024 17:08 utc | 41

one needs to read and continually consider the book of Ecclesiastes (its in the Bible) to best understand the human mind
it's very illuminating to believers and unbelievers alike.

Posted by: chris m | Apr 6 2024 17:08 utc | 42

"I continue to posit that the 'regime change' needed is to replace private finance everywhere with totally sovereign public finance as a global utility instead of the cult/class jackboot it currently is."

Ah, "let the government run it and good will prevail." Imaginary government tends to be better than the real thing. Did you not notice China's banking crisis of the early 2000s? The problem of "policy loans" to state enterprises in Central Europe before the Czechs achieved a better balance of privatized businesses, private finance, and regulation? China's current financial mess with regard to housing and the fact that 5/6 of the lending of the big government banks is now going to big state-owned enterprises? Private finance has been a huge success over the years in Switzerland and Germany, but bankers in London and New York seem much more problematic. I wonder why. Does it have anything at all to do with with who's really behind Ukrainian terrorism and the genocide in Gaza? Connect the dots.

Posted by: greg | Apr 6 2024 17:10 utc | 43

It is still 90 seconds to midnight: the effects of a nuclear blast on Paris would destroy innumerable cultural treasures, including the Louvre and its artworks, Notre Dame, the Eiffel Tower and the Arc de Triomphe. Parisians would likely be instructed to head down to the Metro, used widely during a Blitz as shelter from conventional bombing. In the event of a significant attack - nuclear or otherwise - it is possible that the first thing to go would be the mobile phone networks.

Posted by: AI | Apr 6 2024 17:11 utc | 44

Seems to be a spate of reds under the beds all American trolls have gate crashed.

43 "China's current financial mess..." Believers in the ghost of Kiev no doubt.

How about the great American genocide of the Uighurs...Not to worry, your buddies "ISIS"-k has announced it will free them.

So many sick freaks still believe in American privatization.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 6 2024 17:20 utc | 45

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Apr 6 2024 16:53 utc | 35

People tend to push reality away from them if it is inconvenient, and there is no negative consequence in doing so. They prefer to live in their own bubble of convenience and comfort. Some psychologist could probably be able to explain, why it is so.

This is also one of the primary reasons Ukraine is on the hook so bad. Eventually, the western elites and media will simply ignore and abandon Ukraine, because doing otherwise would force them to admit the magnitude of disaster which has faced the country. This would also force them to admit that they have been wrong about their claims 90 % of the time.

They won't admit anything, they will simply forget about Ukraine.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 6 2024 17:30 utc | 46

Ukraine Weekly Update, 5th April 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-7c0

Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Apr 6 2024 17:31 utc | 47

Speaking of faking news:

US 'Unable To Step Up' on Ukraine And Leaves Canada To Fill The Gap, Says Freeland

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/freeland-canada-support-ukraine-us-aid-1.7164585

"Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland says Canada's commitment to Ukraine has been an important contribution to NATO's strength at a time when the US has been 'unable to step up' on aid to the embattled country.."

More on Canada's deputy Fuhrerin Freeland:

Canada's Deputy PM Chrystia Freeland Diagnosed With Progressive HPD

https://johnhelmer.net/canadas-deputy-prime-minister-chrystia-freeland-diagnosed-with-progressive-hpd-incurable-unless-she-takes-the-prime-ministry-from-justin-trudeau/

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 6 2024 17:31 utc | 48

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 6 2024 17:08 utc | 41

I continue to posit that the 'regime change' needed is to replace private finance everywhere with totally sovereign public finance as a global utility instead of the cult/class jackboot it currently is.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 6 2024 15:42 utc | 7

Definitely step one...after the seizure of state power by the organized wage slaves. No logical steps like converting finance into a public utility can be taken until a revolution, very likely one of organized violence, takes place.

As REM once sang: "You can't get there from here."

That last line is very true: the entire socio-political system has to have been fundamentally changed before you can do that therefore it's not one of the first but one of the last steps. What's first needed is consensus of what sort of deep sociopolitical changes can be made - a huge, unresolved topic - before which implementing public money is just a pipe dream. Clearly it's the right thing to do, but it's at the end of the road, not the beginning.

It's like building a house: you want to end up with comfortable bed rooms, beautiful functional kitchen and uplifted, generous spaces in which to host friends and guests etc. But first there is so much that has to be lined up: finances, decent property, permits, road access, power, foundations, construction, plumbing, good design and engineering and so forth. You can't just start with the dream kitchen even though clearly it's one of the most important elements of a good house and home.

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 17:35 utc | 49

@ John Gilberts | Apr 6 2024 17:31 utc | 48

what an evil witch she is... john helmer did a pretty good article on her the other day.. i hope canucks wake up, but i am not sure they will!

CANADA’S DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER CHRYSTIA FREELAND DIAGNOSED WITH PROGRESSIVE HPD – INCURABLE UNLESS SHE TAKES THE PRIME MINISTRY FROM JUSTIN TRUDEAU

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2024 17:35 utc | 50

james | Apr 6 2024 17:35 utc | 50

That standing applause for the Galicia waffen SS... Canuck land is a bit far gone I think.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 6 2024 17:39 utc | 51

I must say, the commenters at B's bar, of all political stripes, are just top notch. I think what we collectively suffer from is a completely incorrect view of the proper history.

As the one of the best comedians of all time said, Norm MacDonald, "hey there, I've been reading these history books and boy are we sure lucky, it turns out that the good guys always won!!"

If you really meld all political views here (commies/capitalists, etc.), you end up with something like national socialism with a strong leader. Imagine that.

Wake up people, the oligarchs do not represent the PEOPLE and do not want the PEOPLE to have peace. They are internationalists/globalists. And the statements from one place of hive of power, as in Gaza conflict, removes all doubt about their genocidal insanity. I am beyond disgusted by it.

One man stood up and directly called out their power and evil. As I've always said, the world around marvels at German efficiency and record keeping. And yet, those goofy Germans might have been the worst purveyors of DEATH CAMPS in the history of death camps. For a planned extermination, there sure are a lot of "survivors" we have to hear from incessantly, although some of them are proven hoaxes, imagine that.

Once you take that red pill, and really start digging, the "projection" of the eternal victims is too much to take and the wrath might actually finally lead to real genocide and real death camps. The blood on the hands of this clan is hundreds of millions, mostly of Europeans (who they really fear), and later of muslims and other undesirables, and their City of London masters.

Wake up goyim. Slava Russia. Z.

Posted by: Johnny | Apr 6 2024 17:39 utc | 52

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 16:49 utc | 31

It's all about the eternal victimhood of the jews and maintaining the official state religion of Holocostianity at all cost, like in France (h/t Diana Johnstone). Many more millions died in WW2 and were ruined even more the the jewish tribe, like Bielorussia with almost 25% of their population wiped off and cities completely destroyed (while the jews escaped to liveable US and Palestine) and yet the only thing we hear from jewliwood about WW2 nowadays is about what the Nazis did to the jews...

Posted by: Boo | Apr 6 2024 17:47 utc | 53

I'm waiting for the eventual major evolution in how news of the war in Ukraine gets spun in the media by the so called journalists who actually exist just to carry water for the MIC, and their more immediate immediate employers, the corporatists and the globalists.

As Russia advances past line of defense after line of defense of the AFU, and Zelenskyy calling Kiev home for much longer seems iffy, I envision an attempt at selling a new kind of narrative, one wherein the victorious military of the Russian Federation is depicted as "a zombie army", the walking dead who while successfully devouring all in front of them are yet at the same time soulless inside, and not really alive, having been hollowed out of its viscera.

Russian Federation forces can occupy all of Russian speaking Ukraine, with the AFU broken to pieces, but it will be claimed that somehow they have been irreparably ruined, and that is the great victory that the masterminds of the MIC in the West have so brilliantly worked towards.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 6 2024 17:50 utc | 54

@ canuck | Apr 6 2024 15:38 utc | 4:

"There probably are a few dolts whom believe the propaganda but I think the majority cannot be that ignorant."

Good catch, b, and what canuck wrote is true enough.
But equally worrisome, if not moreso, is the supposed "good guys" who appear in "alternate media" fora.
I just listened to one such readily-recognized "ex-US intel" pontificator -- he has not been part of US intelligence for over 30 years. He hectors listeners that they "need to learn history," but his "history" is strictly the comic book -- History channel version. In short, he's padding his retirement while the "dolts" who congratulate themselves that they are not among the "few dolts who believe the propaganda" gush all over Comments sections on his podcast appearances and think themselves righteously "informed." They are not. They are being used, just as much propagandized as John Kirby's audience but not clever enough to be insulted by it.

Do wish The Judge would be a bit more discerning with his guests.

PS re: Judge Nap's guests: I briefly met Ray McGovern several years ago at an event in DC: I merely shook his hand. But that hand was tough with callouses. That impressed me: at that time, McGovern had been working with an area church group carrying out Jesusian mandates -- Feed the hungry, etc. I respect McGovern.

Posted by: ChasMark | Apr 6 2024 17:51 utc | 55

Speaking of faking news, and echoing johnny's last above, the bulk of the article linked below goes through all the many ways the PTB are 'faking the news' that illegal 'newcomers' are a potential seven trillion dollar boon to the nation. The quote below from the article’s conclusion gets closer to the truth, however:

The head of the CBO is a Republican but he’s also a former member of the IMF, so it’s not surprising he would paint mass immigration as a positive. The globalists want to end national sovereignty and the fastest way to do that is to create open border conditions, kill domestic economies, erase western culture and then swoop in with a “global solution” after the dust settles. This is the plan; to destabilize the US economic system, not save it. And, illegal immigrants are a useful tool for that end game.

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/85873/globalists-claim-mass-immigration-helps-the-us-economy--heres-why-thats-a.html

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 17:54 utc | 56

Posted by: Steven Hines | Apr 6 2024 16:47 utc | 24

There is nothing wrong with private ownership of the means of production as you say, but the fundamental argument here is finance. The totally dereguated banking system in the west is collapsing its economy, a state controlled and regulated financial sector is obviously what's needed for western economies to survive. Endless speculation, derivatives, bonkers hedge fund monoliths are no good for stable economic growth. All economists should be removed from the finance sector and replaced by industrial engineers and accountants.
All private businesses strive for profit, banking should only strive for businesses to achieve this goal and nothing more.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Apr 6 2024 17:56 utc | 57

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 17:54 utc | 56

If the southern states claim independence from the US. They can save their economies, societies, while letting California and New York basically die.

Apparently the situation with refugees in New York is already really bad, the New York administration has granted refugees all sorts of stuff which they now can't afford and taxes are going through the roof, causing economic collapse in the city.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 6 2024 18:01 utc | 58

one needs to read and continually consider the book of Ecclesiastes (its in the Bible) to best understand the human mind
it's very illuminating to believers and unbelievers alike.

Posted by: chris m | Apr 6 2024 17:08 utc | 42

Speaking of Ecclesiastes, the following is still an amazing read for me, even after so much time has passed since my first encounter with it.

From Wikipedia:

R. D. Mullen termed the story "perhaps the best story ever on Mars as a dying world". Judith Merril praised it as "incomparable". Samuel R. Delany characterized "Rose" as a "wonderful and magical tale". The Oxford Companion to Twentieth-century Literature in English declares the story "rewrote the cliches of science fiction into augurs of renewal". Theodore Sturgeon called the story "one of the most beautifully written, skillfully composed and passionately expressed works of art to appear anywhere, ever."

"A Rose for Ecclesiastes" was included in Visions of Mars: First Library on Mars, a silica glass mini-DVD taken to Mars by the Phoenix Mars Lander in 2008.

It can be read, or listened to, for free, and legally, at the link below. You might experience some "eye sweat" by the end.

https://escapepod.org/2014/02/28/ep437-rose-ecclesiastes/

Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 6 2024 18:08 utc | 59

Eoin Clancey, there is no totally deregulated banking system in the west. The problem with finance is that governments allow and encourage the banking systems to engage in counterfeiting money, otherwise known as fractional reserve. Money in its proper form should be a commodity which facilitates the exchange of some goods and services for other goods and services. The only reason governments allow and encourage fractional reserve is because they and their cronies benefit from it. Fractional reserve is a curse on humanity, in that it allows the elites to steal from ordinary people.

Posted by: Steven Hines | Apr 6 2024 18:11 utc | 60

The official structure of lies and fabrications will continue and maybe increase because there is no accountability in the US media, government and major political structures and, of course, the corporate world. Why is that? People in the empire (aka, "the West", "the world" and so on) WANT to be told these things no matter how easily debunked and the professionals in the media and government press offices know they have to go along with whatever the current "line" the Party decrees. The mendacity seems to be even worse than what the old Soviet media produced back in the day. There are those "in the know" in Washington and the official media who know what is going on so don't think the Washington establishment is just hallucinating. The people in the Empire will, generally, do as they are told even if they don't actually believe the BS or trust the government and media. Again, these lies are comforting and practical to believe to avoid being "cancelled" by friends and family or suffering in their careers. We have entered fully Orwellian times.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Apr 6 2024 18:12 utc | 61

Robert E. Smith | Apr 6 2024 16:02 utc | 15

Or until the enemy of humanity is wiped off the face of the earth.>/blockquote>

Yay ! 😅

No, wait, we're our own worst enemy ! Oh, poo !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 6 2024 18:18 utc | 62

It must be understood that there are well over 1 MILLION people of Ukrainian descent in Canada, more diaspora than in any country other than Russia. And ALL of them are from the Russophobiic west Ukraine. And they settled in Ontario and the Prairie provinces, where most of the military is and comes from.

So what do you suppose the consequences of that will be? Support for Ukraine is either in bred, or mandatory, for all political parties. It’s not just Trudeau or Freeland, but also the entire Conservative Party (Poilevre) and most of the NDP (Singh). All parties are united in support for Ukraine and against Russia. There is NO space for alternative views here.

One has to be very careful when discussing the conflict in public or private, which I learned to my chagrin even with otherwise good friends and family.

Posted by: BP | Apr 6 2024 18:20 utc | 63

On the topic of Ukraine-related media stories there’s this curious tale from https://ngl.media/en/2024/03/15/blind-marriage/

An excerpt:

In Ukraine, there is a boom in fictitious marriages with women with disabilities. NGL.media investigated how it works

Over the past two years, NGL.media has repeatedly described various legal and criminal schemes used by Ukrainians to avoid mobilization: enrolling into universities, using Shliakh system, fake divorces and child custody etc. This time, we were interested in a less popular but no less effective option used by men subject to military service: fake marriages with women with disabilities to receive a deferral and cross the border.

~~~
And this brief snippet from https://voenhronika.ru/publ/vojna_na_ukraine/06_04_2024_tochnyj_udar_po_dvum_rszo_v_kharkove_vzryv_sotrjas_ves_gorod_karta_boevykh_dejstvij_na_ukraine_segodnja_15_video/60-1-0-15131

Interesting statistics are posted on Ukrainian forums. Since February 24, 90% of all military enlistment office relatives, called up, but having the "necessary connections", serve at military enlistment offices, exorbitantly inflating the staff.

Those who did not have enough space were transferred to the rear units as instructors, and others administrative polygon positions. Staffing levels are constantly growing-salaries are high, and blood ties give a "reservation" from being sent to the front line. All two years of the war, no one touches these thugs at all and does not send them to rotation.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 6 2024 18:21 utc | 64

When we as humanity invent the methods to effectively communicate our thoughts, even the deep ones, without the need for manipulable mediums such as language - then there will be peace forever in the world.

For now it is only needed to find ways to eliminate propaganda. Everything will be different then.

Goebels is long dead but his legacy is astonishingly alive.

Posted by: alek_a | Apr 6 2024 18:24 utc | 65

AllSeeingEye | Apr 6 2024 16:13 utc | 20 wrote:

Until the Pope shows some backbone and excommunicates Genocide Joe over his ceaseless arming of the Zionist mass murderers, there is zero reason to take him seriously.

AGREE that Pope should excommunicate Genocide Joe for his mass murders, if nothing else, as a statement to Catholics and other Christians.

In 2004, then-presidential candidate John Kerry was denied the sacrament of Communion, because of his stated position on abortion. Nothing changed.

Similarly, it's reasonable to predict that "excommunicating Biden" would not make a difference: in 2003 papal emissary Cardinal Pio Laghi met with George Bush to urge him to pursue peaceful options rather than war against Iraq.
https://www.vatican.va/holy_father/special_features/peace/documents/peace_20030306_card-laghi-usa-meeting_en.html

Posted by: ChasMark | Apr 6 2024 18:31 utc | 66

Goebels is long dead but his legacy is astonishingly alive.

Posted by: alek_a | Apr 6 2024 18:24 utc | 65

Sorry, that well known chosen -Bernays - wrote that book.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Apr 6 2024 18:32 utc | 67

Regime change? Where? Not in the EU. The EU populace has been pacified. There is no breaking away from the America's tether for the EU. And it would take more than the destruction of the EU for the US to change course.

Posted by: Steve | Apr 6 2024 18:39 utc | 68

Whoops ! Pissed again !😁

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 6 2024 18:40 utc | 69

The real peeps in the know are aware of these lies, i.e. the Pentagon, CIA, etc. That's why the ISW, although a propaganda entity of its own, doesn't dignify the outright Goebbels-like big lies.

The Goebbels media spread the lies through "dumb" news feeds that show up in everyones Yahoo, MSNBC, and other portals that have no human editing or journalistic credibility. This is part of the trend of "crapification" of everything including journalism.

I have a somewhat off-topic question but since this is a Ukraine thread and the other open ones are at 100+ comments, I'll throw it out to the barflies for general discussion.

What do you think about a Russian offensive from the north towards Kharhiv by summer? I don't fall for the Dima hyperventilating that it is going to happen by next week, but one thing that does weigh in it's favor is the Russian army has a very good record in urban fights. Mariupol, Artemosvk, Avdeyvka, and now Chasiv Yar all speak to this. The UAF does better in open fields where the NATO ISR can give them an advantage. Once the battles go urban, though, that advantage disappears and they get overwhelmed.

I suppose it comes down to manpower, but with 16k in new signups just in the week after the Crocus attack, I can see Russia raising an army of 100k additional soldiers easily by May 31.

Supply lines would be another reason - Belogorod is close by. Also shutting down the idiotic cross border shelling.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 6 2024 18:40 utc | 70

A demonstration of how Irish and Western Media lies to you about Russian Strikes in Ukraine.

The headline on Irelands State media website is clear "Russian strikes kill 6 in Kharkov" The truth is quite different and purposefully misrepresented by
@rte
and here's the irrefutable evidence.

In the video you can see the Russian Iskander missile striking a Czech made Vampire MLRS rocket launcher used to strike civilian targets in Belgorod. The strike is precise and destroys the launcher and it's crew.

In the Second video filmed by Ukrainian recovery teams, the hulk of the targeted and destroyed MLRS launcher is patently clear, however, RTE chose to insure the destroyed military vehicles are kept out of shot. (They would be just to the left in the RTE photo)

This is blatant dishonesty and disinformation, peddled by the pro Ukrainian media across the west.

The evidence attached is undeniable.

They are lying to you, they have been lying and they will continue to lie.

Beware.

https://twitter.com/BowesChay/status/1776680353010205144

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 6 2024 18:49 utc | 71

@BP 63

Certain european countries now have 1% of their population Ukrainian, as recent refugee/migrant. That is around half of Canada, but not by descent. The award of "European nationality" and EU subsidy to Ukrainians is also a major structural move. In a local setting, you notice the presence of new "types". Some or many took an opportunity offered and left "happily", others to avoid being drafted, some are obviously very switched on and "pro-Ukraine", and some are politicaly active (e.g. a recent example of a van plastered with a Ukrainian flag and graffiti all over "Russians are fascists" etc. )

So you have to be cautious in europe also, there is not much popular sympathy for Ukrainians (instead, if anything it is turned against Russia) but there is bureaucratic sympathy. What happens at times is previous "classes" get downgraded in favour of a newer one, and that destabilises society as a whole because it creates an uncertainty and contest.

Posted by: Ornot | Apr 6 2024 18:57 utc | 72

[email protected] was a great student but not the architect of propaganda.....propaganda in print is a British construct.

OT, but in context. 1915 my 15 year old grandfather was waist deep in water, blood, body waste and lice. That was an Allied WW1 trench. I caught a bit of Passiondale(sp) a scene where both sides come out of their trenches and share a Christmas meal...put the guns down for a day. I thought of Gramps, and the story he told me. Oddly enough, while Gramps was trenching it in France, the Brits put together 20,000 soldiers and sent them to put down the 1916 Easter Uprising.
So at night on the WW1 battlefield for the most part it was silent. So quiet you could hear the enemy talking. It didn't take the Germans long to figure the lads in front of them were Irish, not English. At night the Germans would get on their loud speakers and harras the boys .."hey, Irishman, why are fighting us, don't you know what the British are doing in Ireland." Then they'd tell them.
After a few days it got to the point where the Irish lads started to ask the Brit officers what was going. The Brits said it was German propaganda don't worry and they'd prove it. A few days later some Brit officers arrived with fresh printed news papers Irish and English, there was no mention of any thing happening to the Irish, all there was coming up roses.
Gramps and his mates fought on, he being one of the lucky ones got to come home.

The Punch Line. And this is the most important part of the story, from a Veterans mouth. When he and his mates got back to Ireland and seen the shear fucking destruction that the Brits had caused, they realized they were lied to, the papers were fake...his words "had we known the Germans were telling the truth, we'd have shot every English officer there that day."

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 19:02 utc | 74

Posted by: Steven Hines | Apr 6 2024 18:11 utc | 60

Steve Hinesy
You just proved in your response that there is absolutely deregulation in the finance sector, government and private banking do not mix, what don't you get?

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Apr 6 2024 19:03 utc | 75

This article is a synopsis of the above link @73 and leads with these two paragraphs:

The Western bloc has a long record of promises to Russia made and broken, from a commitment not to expand east, to a pledge to support the 2015 Minsk peace deal to end the Ukrainian crisis. Now, a new set of records reveals that NATO vowed not to meddle in Russia’s backyard – a commitment broken in subsequent decades through color revolutions.

The US National Security Archive dropped a fresh trove of documents this week on previously classified conversations between senior Russian officials and their US and NATO counterparts in the period between 1992 and 1995, detailing what at the time seemed like rosy prospects for cooperation, and featuring a key pledge related to the internal affairs of the new post-Soviet republics.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 6 2024 19:04 utc | 76

Ukraine is a lie. Total. They hide the equipment behind the backs of civilians in Kharkov, and after its destruction by a Russian missile, they whine about evil Russia.
https://t.me/yurasumy/14274

Posted by: Виктор | Apr 6 2024 19:09 utc | 77

It's too the point where the media and government turdblossoms are no longer able to stay on the same page, or even know what the page is. The script is continually being rewritten, new narratives are beta tested and embraced by some, thrown out by others. Recently Tony Blinken repeated that tired old talking point that Russia has been irreparably harmed by Ukraine, its military a shadow of its former pathetic self, it's peoples restive, its weapon stocks depleted. I thought that line of vomit had been put to rest, while an emerging new line is the dire situation Ukraine is finding itself in, in preparation for another line, that maybe it's time for the US to cut the cord, we've done all we could. The reality is that the West and its media whores are in disarray. They are constantly concocting new narratives that they hope will bend reality to their advantage but not break it. By the time they have aligned their talking points to the latest narrative du jour, the reality on the ground gets even worse, and newer scripts are needed to replace the old ones. It's a skyscraper of lies built on a foundation of sand. You know, western culture.

Posted by: Mike R | Apr 6 2024 19:09 utc | 78

Eion Clancy, just because the government allows fractional reserve does not mean that banks are totally deregulated, as you stated in your prior comment. Banks in the west are hugely regulated. More than most other industries.

Posted by: Steven Hines | Apr 6 2024 19:16 utc | 79

Some of you Americans are really effed up. Too much reds under the beds and McCarthyism.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 6 2024 17:04 utc | 39

I'm Russian and grew up in the USSR, clown. I even got some medals to show for my contribution to building that socialist paradise.

What you leftoid westoids do not understand is that living in a socialist country is worse than you can even imagine. USSR is long gone but I still get spike of fear every time somebody knocks on the door.

Now America and Europe eat the poison fruit of tolerating communists. Enjoy your tranny shows while Bolshevik-Nazi hybrid vile offspring are robbing you blind and replacing you with turd-worlders.

Posted by: averros | Apr 6 2024 19:17 utc | 80

Otherwise, if you are attempting to establish a political continuity between the Bolsheviks who took power in Russia in 1917

The date is 1905 when Nuland, Kagan, Blinken, and Trotsky fled after their failed revolution. Later, in the 30's the Christian hating Frankfurt school fled to the US, bringing cultural Marxism.

Posted by: JackG | Apr 6 2024 19:23 utc | 81

Perimetr | Apr 6 2024 16:01 utc | 14

I understand the sentiment. But, I seriously doubt that there will be nukes involved, in solving any problems, that ordinary conventional weapons cannot do.
I hear and read many Russian military ranks, commenting on an overkill using FAB spectrum of glide bombs. FAB 3000 and all of the above equals a tactical nuclear weapon. Enhanced warheads on all hypersonic missiles, enhanced software able to support various attack modes, targeting correction modes and AI are improving everyday. We can laugh on a flat-screws on a Zircon air intake gills, or a Klitchko's collection of fake Kinzhals, It is just a concept of the delivery of the desired effects on target, have changed.
It is just that the West missed or forgot a salvo of missiles from the Caspian Sea to Syria in 2015. That event offered an opportunity to dance together after insults from Obama on Russia being a regional power. It was a big mistake, for the USA, to quash down 'a regional power' demo, and continued to be fake super-power.
I do not see Bolsevikization of America, but more like Mensheviki (AIPAC) infestation. So no concentrated professional ideological run, but more of a loose a free grab, while the waters are muddy and stocks are plenty. It just that there are too much Axelrods and Tzederbaums as wannabees at the top, but not so well educated or sensible.
Such comparisons are of course a bit silly too, as America is build on some completely different foundations, not the humanistic ones and that shows now, even more than ever.
So there are many languages and various messages being sent over towards the West, a very little to comprehend came back. But nukes are out of the question.
Russia didn't really started much destruction yet, it grinds the terrain with approximately 120k boots in rotation on the ground doing fighting, with maybe 10-20k artillery troops doing shelling and servicing the firing missions. With unclear hundredths of thousands of well prepared troops and a conventional supremacy, I really think that it can be a hard discussion on any nuke usage pro and cons, but more in the West, than around any of the Kremlin corridors.

Posted by: whirlX | Apr 6 2024 19:24 utc | 82

Too much reds under the beds and McCarthyism.

Verona transcripts vindicated McCarthy.

Posted by: JackG | Apr 6 2024 19:30 utc | 83

Today, with the internet people can access nearly every view point including those of adversaries, share information like never before as every one has device one can instantly take pictures and share to the entire world.. etc.

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Apr 6 2024 16:53 utc | 35

Have to disagree. RT is banned in much of the west. If you say the wrong things on YouTube and other online outlets, you run the risk of being demonetized or banned outright. Free online speech does not exist, at least in most of the major outlets, where censorship is the order of the day. True, anyone who is willing to dig can find out the facts, but most aren't willing to make the effort.

Posted by: Mike R | Apr 6 2024 19:30 utc | 84

bevin | Apr 6 2024 16:07 utc | 17

It is better to say nothing than to mislead others.

Mwahahaha ! Isn't that the whole er, (anti) 'ethos' of the MSM ?

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 6 2024 19:31 utc | 85

"I continue to posit that the 'regime change' needed is to replace private finance everywhere with totally sovereign public finance as a global utility instead of the cult/class jackboot it currently is."
Replace private usury with government usury? How about balancing your budget and going back to sound money?

Posted by: JackG | Apr 6 2024 19:36 utc | 86

I hoped and expected sanity and realism to take place not long after the escalation in 2022 took place. It didn't materialize and I don't expect it soon now either.

Currently there is indeed no appetite in any Western nation to really intervene or escalate drastically but that's because elections are due. After the elections I expect these corrupt kleptocrats (it doesn't matter which political pedigree they belong to) will not only send their troops but also reintroduce military draft. This would be in line with the jaw dropping events that occurred in 2020 (mandatory untested gene therapies) and the kleptocratic class didn't have to fear elections which were basically just finished and what would have required to alter their course of action.

I for one will never serve as meat for foreign policy. If something would happen to my (drafted) children, I would bestow the same fate on those politicians I deem responsible for it. Politicians who, and what is not widely known, are by law immune to military draft.

Posted by: xor | Apr 6 2024 19:36 utc | 87

Medvedev's latest Telegram:

Accomplices in the terrorist act committed on March 22 at Crocus City Hall

As you know, in criminal law, it is customary to distinguish complicity in the commission of a crime, when several persons deliberately participate in it.

1. Performers. Everything is clear with them: these immature bastards have been caught, they are being investigated. Moreover, it is obvious that, despite numerous references to their affiliation with ISIS/Wilayat Khorasan (a terrorist organization banned in Russia), these scum are by no means religious fanatics who are ready to die for their faith. They did not demonstrate either external or internal paraphernalia. They are primitive assassins, hired for relatively little money and trained to shoot. Just animals, human scum.

2. Organizers. It is a little more complicated with them, for which the legend of the responsibility of IS was developed, which the extremists gladly confirmed. But they always do this, just to increase their capital. Well, no one canceled the money, they probably got theirs. But the real organizers are still hiding in the shadow of ISIS. That's the plan. But even the first information published from the phones of hired degenerates unequivocally testifies to the nationality of the organizers. As well as many other things – open (destination) and closed for now. These are officials of the Nazi "Ukraine". It was in their ugly brains that the idea was born to compensate for failures at the front with terrorist attacks, which, however, is not surprising. They will have to answer either by law or otherwise. The way terrorists are dealt with all over the world. No statute of limitations.

3. Accomplices. There are a lot of them. Their circle expands to include those who gave property, money, organized transportation, taught them how to shoot, etc. Much more interesting are other accomplices, or international sponsors of terrorists. And here, alas, the situation is as follows: they include the top officials of NATO countries. They are different. Yes, even the same Macron. His rhetoric, his actions, and, most importantly, his sanction for covert operations with the Bandera regime may well be qualified as complicity in the terrorist attack of March 22. That is why the lover of oysters and champagne was so screwed up that he was forced to publicly deny the involvement of France in the terrorist attack himself and through his subordinates. It is obvious that Macron and a number of other Western leaders are the sponsors of this terrible terrorist attack. There is no excuse for this. You can't hide behind immunities here. And from now on, they are not just enemies of Russia. [My Emphasis]

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 6 2024 19:38 utc | 88

In an atmosphere of collective hysteria and paranoia, official and/or authorized narratives need not make sense or stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Their primary purpose is not to deceive, but rather to delimit an acceptable ideological territory of expression and emotion to which "normal" people must conform. Beyond the boundaries lie the outer darkness of "anomaly" and "extremism", which no "normal" person wants. To avoid being thrown into this outer darkness, people will conform to the most absurd and paranoid nonsense you can imagine.
The ruling classes know this, and that's why they don't care if you refute their stories on Twitter or on a "dishonorable" website they've made virtually invisible anyway. They don't discuss facts or truth ... they mark the boundaries of this "normal" territory and attract frightened people.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

Posted by: Corto | Apr 6 2024 19:38 utc | 89

I'm Russian and grew up in the USSR, clown.

Need more reminders from those who lived through the terror of total, atheistic socialism. It's in the US. We have monitoring, stasis, political prisoners, and the State's takeover of the economy, especially with the COVID and Climate hoaxes.

Posted by: JackG | Apr 6 2024 19:41 utc | 90

Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 6 2024 16:01 utc | 14

Again, one more example that reveals why there is so little hope for the west. One does not have to be a commie to recognize that the people who run the Anglo-American empire and beyond are not remotely "Bolsheviks".

In fact, the ruling elites in the west and their goals have been unchanging for nearly two centuries. It is the means and tactics they use that change and that causes the willfully ignorant to lose all sight of reality.

Quite odd that the allegedly anti-communist Russia is in cahoots with practically every commie/leftist government in the world and almost all its implacable enemies are neoliberal right-wingers, usually of the boutique-progressive (i.e. regressive) variety. A real mystery that Vova Putin raised a statue of Fidel in Moscow when there isn't one in Cuba.

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 19:43 utc | 91

Posted by: averros | Apr 6 2024 19:17 utc | 80

What you leftoid westoids do not understand is that living in a socialist country is worse than you can even imagine. USSR is long gone but I still get spike of fear every time somebody knocks on the door.

Just because much of what we were told about communism and communist countries was cartoonish propaganda doesn't mean that everything was hunky dory. People like to think in black or white paradigms.

Take ‘capitalism’ in the West: how would it go if run by honourable, honest leadership class with resultant generally honest decent society? Of course, we cannot tell, but the fact is that the same basic system sometimes runs pretty well and other times devolves into Hell so just throwing out labels like communism, capitalism, socialism, fascism etc. doesn't mean all that much.

What is your impression of Russia these days?

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 19:45 utc | 92

Now the western journalists should be enchanted like Pinocchio.

Posted by: Nokaz | Apr 6 2024 19:47 utc | 93

The date is 1905 when Nuland, Kagan, Blinken, and Trotsky fled after their failed revolution. Later, in the 30's the Christian hating Frankfurt school fled to the US, bringing cultural Marxism.

Posted by: JackG | Apr 6 2024 19:23 utc | 81

There have been a number of ignorant far-right crettins, but you're on another level. It's not just your gross ignorance of basic facts (Trotsky rolling in the US in 1905 after his failed revolution, wtf??), but your inability to use basic reasoning.

Don't you find it odd that well-known "Marxists" were taken in and funded by a rabid anti-communist western establishment? Or that Horkheimer, the leading figure of the Frankfurt school, was supporting the US in Vietnam?

Best not think too much about it though, dude. You might have brain haemorrhage from the effort.

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 19:49 utc | 94

Posted by: averros | Apr 6 2024 19:17 utc | 80

Sure, sure, you're a "Russian". Have to love the internet and social media. One can be whatever one wishes.

BTW, are you under treatment while witnessing the rehabilitation of Stalin in the country by so many Russians? Did you have an apoplexy when you watched the Soviet banners in Donbass along Stalin posters? "Russian"...

Posted by: Constantine | Apr 6 2024 19:53 utc | 95

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 6 2024 18:01 utc | 58

If the southern states claim independence from the US. They can save their economies, societies, while letting California and New York basically die.

Apparently the situation with refugees in New York is already really bad, the New York administration has granted refugees all sorts of stuff which they now can't afford and taxes are going through the roof, causing economic collapse in the city.

What makes it all TRULY terrible is the deception surrounding every aspect - a problem which exists with just about every issue in the States these days. They are illegal; they are being paid for by govt-sponsored NGO's with monthly debit card allowances, free room and board, free legal and medical services, even free inter-state transportation, some of them even bumped to first class. This is clearly not correct or normal but more importantly perhaps not properly administered, reported on or discussed.

So the whole business stinks way beyond the humanitarian issue of why there are there, what do they need, are they criminal or honest, should we be more generous, is it racist to object etc. etc. etc. The whole situation is entirely, utterly dystopian - I believe by design. For that's how it is these days in that country.

Boy am I glad I decided against retiring there.

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 19:55 utc | 96

@Steven Hines | Apr 6 2024 19:16

...there is no totally deregulated banking system in the west...Banks in the west are hugely regulated. More than most other industries.

I know this is supposed to be about Ukraine, but sometimes I read comments so outrageous that I can't help myself. If banks in the US or UK are so "regulated", then why are they so involved with fraudulent activites such as money-laundering linked to drug-trafficking or liar-loans, which resulted in the great recession of '07-08? If the large banks in the US were actually regulated, all the white-collar criminals, like Jamie Dimon and Steve Mnuchin, would be locked-up. De-regulation is endemic to all industries, not just finance. CEO's at Volkswagen and GM should never receive a get-out of jail card. And while I'm at it, the way elites steal from us is by exploitation. Let's get rid of exploitation where it begins, with the actual production of things. The bankers speculate on assets which already exist. They don't produce anything, they're parasitic middlemen....

Posted by: zeke2u | Apr 6 2024 19:59 utc | 97

I feel I need to respond to some of the comments...where to start

Long time barflies know that my public finance drum beat comes with restoration of governments by and for the public instead of elite interests. This means all sovereign countries need to come together to build trade and financial exchange rules and processes similar to what the BIS does now but 'bancor' reserve backing instead of individual country and no private ownership.

Lets get to private ownership of Central Banks...

the Bank of Italy stands out among central banks in the Eurosystem as having no state ownership (the National Bank of Belgium and Bank of Greece have mixed ownership).

I have long stated that mixed ownership banking is like being partly pregnant.....impossible because of base differences of goals.

We are in a civilization war because the China government will not give up its sovereign control of finance and treats finance as a public utility. China is now working with Russia and other axis countries to build alternatives to the existing Western private controlled tools of global finance and I see it as a matter of when, not if, this direction will be taken.

I encourage many new barflies spouting BS here to go read Michale Hudson before showing more of your ignorance at the bar.

Usury is risk management which as a society should be the management responsibility of out governments, not the jackboot of our current global private finance
cult and its followers.

Lets get back on topic and take further discussion to the latest Open Thread...thanks

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 6 2024 20:01 utc | 98

…..words "had we known the Germans were telling the truth, we'd have shot every English officer there that day."

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 19:02 utc | …….

And Brittanias Guns rang out in the Foggy Dew

Posted by: Exile | Apr 6 2024 20:07 utc | 99

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 6 2024 15:42 utc | 7
'regime change' is needed to replace private finance ...totally sovereign public finance .. of the cult/class jackboot .."

Bevin @ 17 admonishes that to make Perimetr @14's statement "the Bolshevicks ..have taken power in the US" acceptable, evidence is needed so as to not mislead .. and JackG @ 81 offers that data missing is found in "The date is 1905 when Nuland, Kagan, Blinken, and Trotsky fled after their failed revolution. Later, in the 30's the Christian hating Frankfurt school fled to the US, bringing cultural Marxism."

<= Most Americans agree with Psychohistorian "the USA (a government that dictates to those it governs from behind a digital firewall that protects the governors from those who are the governed) has been established by Boshevicks or people of a worse variety as whirlX @82 suggest Mensheviki (AIPAC)" fill that bill?

The disappointment in Obama's "change" and Trumps "MAGA" and Biden's "give everything American to someone else, invitation to foreigners to invade America and "ceaseless arming of the .. mass murderers"(AllSeeingEye@20) has produced "wide spread realization" that the voting system is not likely to allow Americans to make a change at the helm of the USA.

scorpion @ 49 warns "No logical steps like converting finance into a public utility can be taken until [after a violent] revolution"

hopefully, the comment Posted by: Steven Hines @ 29 "Central control is the enemy, and decentralization is the cure for it." reflects the coming change.


Answer to: AI @ 44 <=for safety, France could move its treasures and valuables to Russia..

Posted by: snake | Apr 6 2024 20:07 utc | 100

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