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April 8, 2024
Two Israeli Actions Misfired, Pushed Netanyahoo Into Retreat

Several recent incidents have increased the pressure on Israel to end its war on Gaza.

There are serious signs that the Israeli government, under pressure from the U.S., is now moving towards an intermediate ceasefire state that all sides may be able to live with – at least for a while. The decision to do that however has split the Netanyahoo government and may well end the coalition which supports it.

After six month of operations in Gaza the Israeli government has reached none of its announced aims. Neither is Hamas defeated, nor have the hostages been released. There is no viable plan who, if not Hamas, will in future rule the Gaza strip.

Israeli settlers, who have been living near the Gaza strip and the northern border, are still not willing to return to their homes as the government lacks a plan to guarantee their security.

Pressure on the Israeli government comes from several sides.

The war has been extremely costly for Israel's economy. The called up reservists have been missing in their work places. The tourism business is down on its knees. Providing for those hundreds of thousands who have fled from their homes is costly.

Large protest have erupted within Israel demanding the return of the hostages.

International criticism of Israel has risen to unprecedented levels. Several UN resolutions have condemned it for its war crimes in Gaza. The International Court of Justice has ruled against it.

Only the support from the United States had allowed Israel to continue. But two recent incidents have jeopardized it.

The first was Israel's assassination of seven people who had been working for World Central Kitchen, a U.S. based charity with good connections to Congress. Forty members of Congress, including Nancy Pelosi, have since spoken out against further unconditional support for Israel. The U.S. government under Joe Biden had to acknowledge that. It finally threatened to end its support for the Israeli government.

Following U.S. threats Israel immediately increased the provision of food to the starving population in Gaza:

The Defense Ministry body that coordinates Israeli activity in Palestinian territories said that 322 aid trucks entered the Gaza Strip on Sunday, the highest one-day total since the beginning of the war.

The second game changing incident was the Israeli attack on an Iranian embassy building in Damascus. A hit on any embassy is a serious crime that concerns all governments in this world. Iran would be fully within its rights to retaliated for such a strike.

The U.S. was extremely concerned over this as any Iranian response might well hit the many U.S. installation in the Middle East and could escalate into a wider war with severe consequences for all sides.

This had to be averted. Iranian media report now that a deal has been made in negotiations between Iran and the U.S. Iran will refrain from a direct attack on Israel if the U.S. guarantees a ceasefire in Gaza:

Iran informed the US that it would refrain from responding to the airstrike in which senior Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) commanders were killed in Damascus if a ceasefire in Gaza is reached, Jadeh Iran reported on Sunday.

The news outlet cited an anonymous Arab diplomatic source, saying the source spoke to the news outlet two days ago. The source added that "If America succeeds in containing the situation, it will be a great success for the Biden administration and we can build on that."

The report comes as negotiations for a ceasefire and hostage release deal resume between Israel and Hamas in Cairo and as Israel continues preparations for a possible response to the Damascus airstrike that Syria and Iran blamed on Israel.

For the first time in six months ceasefire negotiations have suddenly become serious:

The state-linked Al-Qahera reported that Qatari and Hamas delegations had left Cairo and were expected to return “within two days to finalize the terms of the agreement.”

US and Israeli delegations were due to leave the Egyptian capital “in the next few hours” and consultations were expected to continue over the next 48 hours, the outlet added.

The report, which was not confirmed by any of the parties in the talks, came after Israeli officials had indicated cautious optimism on the chances for a deal in comments carried by Hebrew-language media, with Jerusalem giving its delegation wider leeway to make concessions toward an agreement.

“This time is different, we are the closest we’ve been in months to a deal,” Channel 12 news quoted a source close to the talks saying.

Yesterday Israel withdrew its last but one brigade from Gaza. Many in Israel interpreted this as an admittance of defeat:

Is this how the war ends? Not with a bang, or even a whimper, but with the IDF pulling its ground forces out of Khan Younis, and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant asserting, in defiance of reality, that Hamas has “stopped functioning as a military organization throughout the Gaza Strip,” contradicting himself in the next breath, and clarifying a few hours later?

As Israel on Sunday marked six months since the October 7 massacre, the two prime declared goals of the war — destroying Hamas’s military capabilities and bringing home the remaining 129 hostages abducted that day — are patently unfulfilled.

Channel 12 TV’s military correspondent Nir Dvori, reading from his notes during the primetime evening news, presumably after a military briefing, echoed the assessment: “We have moved from war to fighting. The high-intensity [ground] maneuver is finished everywhere in Gaza. The operation in Khan Younis is done. [The IDF] is moving to the system of [more narrowly focused] raids.” Such raids were already being implemented in the north of Gaza, and now they would become the modus operandi in the south as well, he assessed.

Making no effort to conceal his dismay at the material he was conveying, Dvori declared that “the hunt for [Hamas’s Gaza chief Yahya] Sinwar now moves essentially to the realm of intel. And Israel, as we see, has given up on [its] two major points of leverage: both military pressure and humanitarian [aid].

“After half a year,” Dvori unhappily summed up, “Israel remains with three big problems: how to return the hostages; how to bring the residents back home in the south and north [who were evacuated due to the fighting]; and how to set up an alternative to Hamas” to administer the Strip. “If Israel cannot achieve a framework for this, and I don’t know of one, then we are entering a very big problem for Israel,” he concluded.

The radicals in Israel's government also interpret this as a defeat of their aims. They are threatening to blow up their coalition with Netanyahoo over this:

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich issues a statement calling on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to immediately convene the security cabinet to discuss the state of the war in Gaza, after the army pulled forces out of the southern Strip.

“The only forum authorized to make significant decisions in war is the full [security] cabinet, but unfortunately this is not how things are happening, and we are seeing decisions being made in the smaller [war] cabinet without approval, without updating the full cabinet, under international pressure that is harming the war’s momentum and our security interests,” he says.

The Netanyahoo government had gotten too cooky. Its army's attack on U.S. supported charity workers and its attack on the Iranian embassy in Damascus finally pushed the U.S. government to withdraw its support for the war.

Without support from the U.S. there is no way for Israel to continue a fight. Netanyahoo had to give up and did so.

We thus may now move towards a new balance of a lesser war which may sustain for a while but which can no be permanent.

The aim of Hamas' Al Aqsa Flood operation was to shatter the feeling of security and invincibility with he Zionist population of Israel. In has been successful in this.

The Israeli government has yet found no way to compensate for it.

Comments

“… There is no viable plan who, if not Hamas, will in future rule the Gaza strip. …”, this, “opinion,” among numerous others in the article, fails reason, logic and common sense.
Why?
The evidence is too numerous to document fully.
I offer a mere ounce of evidence.
Israeli TV, newspapers and radio have broadcast Netanyahu “placing the first stone of numerous settlements, Israeli settlements, to come to Gaza.”
“Think” the so-called “West Bank.”
Think … the King David Hotel, the USS Liberty,
the Anglo-American Israeli Empire.
Think Bantustans, Indian Reservations, …
Israel is the United States.
The United States is Israel.
A settler-Colonial land.
The Promised Land,
Manifest Destiny is our stand.
A land with no people for
A people with no land.
Indian Territory(ies)
Palestinian Territory(ies)
Occupied Palestinian Territory(ies)
Illegally Occupied Palestinian Territory(ies)
Indian Reservations
Palestinian Reservations
“Area C”, Palestine?, you pray.
“Not reservations, Bantustans,” you say.
Apartheid is the only way.
Different names for the same thing, ethnic cleansing and Genocide.
The truth you can’t hide.
One and the same.
The Principle of Identity,
A difference only in name.
“I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only ask them to think”
Socrates, 470 – 399 B.C.E.
dennis hanna

Posted by: Dennis Hanna | Apr 9 2024 2:24 utc | 201

I hope b is correct, long past time to stop this slaughter. But bibi wont go quietly, jail waits, so I’m pessimistic.

Posted by: John k | Apr 9 2024 3:03 utc | 202

190 Honzo. Yes. Although I didn’t know the Constitution eschewed another political party. Not being facetious, would like to know how. Because all political power in US derived from ownership of property or something more specific?
But at this point I have been supporting politicians who are explicitly opposing the genocide in Gaza while electoral politics are the way many Americans do politics. I don’t think people can yet see past that although it increasingly becomes clearer. It was seen what happened to Bernie Sanders (not to pretend he isn’t what he is). I, like others, will see what happens in Nov. to for example the vote undecided move to deprive Biden of support. Maybe I’m wrong and this country is already at the “let them eat bread” stage –the nobility vs. the peasants, but nobody is prepared for that ,– where are the Jacobins? Or is it just to be Naziism under the duo or unopoly? Can we use an analysis like Mao did of the social order? I have read a statistic that 20 percent of the population benefit from the MIC. What about rest other than the 1 percent? I do see a lot of neoliberals on their way to being fascists and a lot of ignorants and also a number of those deprived of knowing but would like to know more. And plenty of far-right ready to fight
Is a third party effort not worth it, I don’t know. There is probably a lot more power in community organizations to givethe people what they want having to do with local issues. But from where I am I see the #1 issue to take action to support Palestine (which Jill Stein does). That is what the people I have found who go into the street for Palestine are doing — supporting anti-Zionist Congressional candidates. I have voted a couple of times for pres. in past. Stein was already brought down in past by Russiaphobia. It’s necessary to study what has happened to 3rd party leftist candidates in Latin America who won. Not that I expect that (winning) to happen here…

Posted by: Lavieja | Apr 9 2024 3:04 utc | 203

Welcome aboard, It looks like you’re one of the brave few willing to flesh out your predictions in public. Kudos to you sir.
Posted by: Moonie | Apr 8 2024 23:48 utc | 187
Here’s a prediction :
By the year 2030 the so called state of ‘Israel’ will no longer exist.
In it’s place will stand: The Republic of Palestine.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 9 2024 3:04 utc | 204

I want to agree with this analysis, but hence, in following many in the know on Twitter, who are apparently in the know on negotiations, Hamas has just rejected the ceasefire proposal.
My guess is that Bibi’s all consuming lust for power, will be kept in his position via threats by his psychopathic loonies like Ben Gvir.
And what of the 1000+ bombs sent to Israhell via the US?
And last report I heard via Indie media is that Bibi
has set a date for the Rafah invasion
I think only time will tell

Posted by: Kay | Apr 9 2024 3:11 utc | 205

“I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only ask them to think”
Socrates, 470 – 399 B.C.E.
@ Dennis Hanna | Apr 9 2024 2:24 utc | 201
The buddha of our era, speaking in a similar train of thought, said (paraphrasing) “Whilst i can teach you how to avoid suffering and how to prevent the suffering of others, it is you yourself who must carry out my teachings. If you do not practice the buddha dharma of body, speech and mind, regarding all sentient beings as your precious mother, then these teachings are sown in dry sterile soil, soil without the fruitful moisture of kindness, compassion and wisdom.”
To think, yea to know, that we are all interdependent and not enemies, is a starting point pointing to win-win thinking, doing and living.
This is contrary to the outdated thinking of imperialists, who readily use religious proxies to mercilessly wage genocidal conquests. They lie and lie and lie — their endless webs of lies, by this shall you know them to subvert them for the benefit of all.

Posted by: suzan | Apr 9 2024 3:21 utc | 206

Time’s up Iranian entity. Trump will take care of your demented existence.

Posted by: riversnew | Apr 9 2024 4:11 utc | 207

There apparently is a cellphone App called NOTHANKS which identifies retail products whose companies support genocide.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2024 4:30 utc | 208

karlof1 | Apr 8 2024 14:04 utc | 57
Crooke’s excellent SCF essay on chaotic war concludes that the Palestinians “switched to a new way of thinking that gives the simple act of resisting a civilisational meaning”. Not new actually, Islam is a civilisation, not just a religion, so it can’t be eliminated by murdering Muslims. Isma’il al Faruqi explained its solid rational basis in his 1986 “The Cultural Atlas of Islam” published posthumously by Macmillan in the same year Faruqi and his wife were murdered (at home in Pennsylvania).

Posted by: Taliwang | Apr 9 2024 4:37 utc | 209

Trump will take care of your demented existence.
Posted by: riversnew | Apr 9 2024 4:11 utc | 207
Once he’s finished going down on his Jewish masters behind the wailing wall …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 9 2024 5:17 utc | 210

Thanks for this encouraging report, b.
If jews weren’t such unmitigated LIARS they’d have called their Promised Land “Jewrael”, not “Israel”.
Referring to themselves as “Israelis” is a childish stunt aimed at diverting attention from the fact that they are nothing more than uniquely bloodthirsty, thieving, racist-supremacist, genocidal jews – with delusions of grandeur.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 9 2024 6:06 utc | 211

“The US has withdrawn/is withdrawing its support for Israel” ???????????????????
Show me the evidence that convinces me and only then I’ll will start to believe it.
It will be interesting to see how the ultra right wing politicians will react. I assume that these right wing nutcases will do everything within their power to make sure Netanyahu ends up in prison. As a punishment for his failed policies. One can expect ot see A LOT OF political fireworks / political fallout in Israel in the next week or weeks.
In that regard the attack on the iranian embassy in Damascus could be viewed as an (failed) attempt to escalate the situation even more. A failed attempt to distract the public from the internal squabbles in Israel itself.

Posted by: WMG | Apr 9 2024 6:35 utc | 212

– Can we expect that the israeli right wing politicians to be become even more radical than the Netanyahu government was ? I fear we will see israeli politics to become even more radical before the israeli politicians are willing to accept “their project” called jewish expansionism (a.k.a. Zionisme) has imploded/ has hit the proverbial “brick wall”. How much time will it take to make the israeli neocons realize Israel is “on the end of the (political) rope” ?
– I must confess that I am surprised to see that there is a shift in attitudes, in both Israel and the US.

Posted by: WMG | Apr 9 2024 6:44 utc | 213

The US accidentally bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade and more or less got away with it.
Completely accidentally of course. Not deliberate at all. Put any such thought out of your mind.
Totally unintentional.

Posted by: RoHa | Apr 9 2024 7:05 utc | 214

@Jane | Apr 8 2024 23:12 utc | 177
You ask whether it is fair to tar Hamas with the Muslim Brotherhood
Interesting detail :
“Hassan el-Banna, founder of the secret society the Muslim Brotherhood. We know little about his family, except that they were watchmakers – a trade reserved for the Jewish community in Egypt. ”
In ‘The Muslim Brotherhood as assassins’
by Thierry Meyssan
https://www.voltairenet.org/article206934.html
MB themselves seem to admit that his parents owned a shop selling grammophones and other items.
I personally dont think Al Banna himself knew he might have had a jewish background, if that was the case. But the British may have known and used that to make a deal with his parents.
It would not be in Britains interest to nurture a young agent who would have been aware about a complicating background.
They wanted their new intelligence arm to be radical and backward so it could be used against any effort towards secular panarabic unity and development.
It all happened under the sponsorship of the Suez canal company.
Britain – the creator of all radical cults.
From left to right
…..
Robert Dreyfuss in
Muslim Brotherhood: London’s shocktroops for the New Dark Ages
https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1979/eirv06n18-19790508/eirv06n18-19790508_014-muslim_brotherhood_londons_shock.pdf
By asking that kind of question, Jane, you show how biased this debate is.
You prefer to unbelieve in both sides being played.
And you are in good company by most of Moa’s audience including B.
MI6 must be very happy with the bias in Britains favour most everywhere.
Because you all want this to be about a powerful evil group and that the west is oppressed by that minority while the rest of the westerners are at least more innocent than that evil minority.
That is however not the case
The evil minority are what they were intended to be by Great Britain’s imperialist’s masonic power at a time when it really constituted the higher power.
The minority is evil by design so they have no allies apart from the anglosaxon handlers.
The anglosaxon christian imperialists who designed it intended it to be what it is, a beachhead for extending their US/UK empire.
US/UK/Israel all have been killing and humiliating how many arabs?
It must be in the millions?
War hero Douglas Macgregor took part in the slaughter
himself but now, being a wise(r?) man opposes the latest phase of the imperial onslaught.
Britain however masterminded everything including invading the US with the angloamerican establishment.
And the British masons who designed modern zionism let it spawn all it’s branches in the US.
Jews were late in that process something most moa visitors avoid to touch.
For example the video lately by John Hankey correctly describes the collusion between Hamas and Netanyahu and Hankey also makes the case that Israel arranged fake proof of burned out cars etc.
Revealing video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMXllVmTuKQ
However towards the end there is the usual overestimation of Rothschilds power so the truth about zionism as an extremely selfish British concoction (and as old as the empire itself) is blanked out.
When Britain wanted to spread out consular nodes on the road to India in the ME they naturally needed to delegate the imperial bankers to obtain land by the usual mechanism of indebting the client state.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Apr 9 2024 7:12 utc | 215

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2024 14:04 utc | 57
This is, characteristically, very incisive. The article https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/04/08/brutal-chaotic-war-norms-conventions-and-laws-of-conduct-are-being-erased/ says Israel is being used to redefine the limits of chaotic war by breaking the taboos of using starvation as a weapon of war, and attacking diplomatic premises. Concurrently we see Ecuador storming the Mexican embassy, also under US pressure. This looks like a message to the World from the US that they will not be inhibited by traditional norms of behaviour.

Posted by: Pete Jones | Apr 9 2024 7:15 utc | 216

Genocide lawsuit against German Gov’t 2nd day live hearings
https://webtv.un.org/en/schedule
First Day the case against German gov’t was presented
Second Day ( today ) – The German Gov’t will argue that it’s not supporting Genocide in the Levant

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2024 7:22 utc | 217

The US accidentally bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade and more or less got away with it. Completely accidentally of course. Not deliberate at all. Put any such thought out of your mind. Totally unintentional.
RoHa | Apr 9 2024 7:05 utc | 214

The Chinese have NOT forgotten about that.

Posted by: Ian2 | Apr 9 2024 7:46 utc | 218

Comments on ICJ genocide hearings live feed
German Presentation begins with the Vice-President of the German CIA (BND) summarizing the German Gov’t defense:
1) Her presentation relies heavily on the Likud narrative which we are all familiar with.
2) her presentation also quotes German gov’t officials who are worried about the Likud’s brutal campaign
3) she keeps repeating the Hamas = Terror Likud narrative
4) German military supplies to the IDF are strictly used for Israeli self – defense.
5) Nicaragua has no sense of balance, rushed to bring this case to court on the most flimsy of evidence…..

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2024 8:18 utc | 219

Second Presentation by German Defense Team:
German gov’t only sends to IDF “other” military equipment ( not “war” weapons ) under the most strict guidelines with a Bewildering series of bureaucratic hurdles before a export is approved.
( Big News – German supports Israeli military industrial complex with purchases and joint production )

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2024 8:39 utc | 220

Dark horse candidate for us president…
Dr. Shiva for president…”I am the only candidate for president who does not suck Zionist cock” Dr. Shiva…inventor of E-mail…this statement was part of his unveiling of…and announcement of his presidential campaign

Posted by: Prometheus1200bc | Apr 9 2024 8:45 utc | 221

3rd presentation of German Defense case:
English Lawyer ( Samuel Woodsworth ) trying to argue that genocide lawsuit doesn’t include Israel in lawsuit which results in ICJ case not having jurisdiction.
Poor little Israel can’t defend itself in this lawsuit because it’s not a party to the lawsuit.
Comment – this English lawyer has a slimy, arrogant tone; which borders on racism of those (sloppy Latinos from little irrelevant Nicuaraga) I have no idea how the ICJ judges emtionally react to this haughty Englishman.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2024 8:57 utc | 222

This is so good that I had to post it. Described Israel to a T. Its stripped from a Caitlin Johnstone article on a FoI refusal.
Australia, like Israel, is not a real country. Like Israel, Australia is nothing other than a settler-colonialist outpost of western imperialism built on genocide, ethnic cleansing and theft, and now operates in a way that is inseparable from the US war machine. This land will never know peace or justice until we have extricated ourselves from the talons of the empire.
https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1777527451561955661

Posted by: JohninMK | Apr 9 2024 9:07 utc | 223

4th presentation of German Defense in Genocide Lawsuit:
Argues that German military and other support of Israel does not contribute “significantly” to the alleged genocide of the “absent 3rd party to this case, Israel”. Hence – lawsuit unfounded.
German obligations under the Genocide Convention are satisfied by German dialogue with its partners in the Israelis gov’t. (!!!) All ‘reasonable’ measures are being undertaken daily by German Gov’t.
Comment – this presentation has a Alice in Wonderland hall of mirrors feeling. Unclear if the Judges will be baffled by this presentation or irritated.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2024 9:34 utc | 224

5th Presentation of German Defense:
argues that the ICJ provisional measures issued in the South African genocide lawsuit against Israel are not relevant to German conduct and by-the-way the German gov’t is like totally super involved in providing humanitarian aid.
Tries to argue that Nicaragua is simply throwing baseless accusations around to see what sticks. No proof is furnished, because there is no proof.
German laws and bureaucratic procedures are incredibly strict for the export of military equipment.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2024 10:00 utc | 225

Final Summary of German Defense in Genocide case:
General summary – of presentations over last 2 hours.
My Comment: its most interesting (unusual?)that the head of the German defense team is the vice- president of the German secret police (BND).
My analysis: The German defense case gives the ICJ judges plenty of room to squash the genocide case for supplying military equipment. However, the German defense is basically whitewashing German military and diplomatic support of the ongoing Genocide. TBD

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2024 10:08 utc | 226

Posted by: WMG | Apr 9 2024 6:44 utc | 213
Can we expect that the israeli right wing politicians to be become even more radical than the Netanyahu government was ? I fear we will see israeli politics to become even more radical before the israeli politicians are willing to accept “their project” called jewish expansionism (a.k.a. Zionisme) has imploded/ has hit the proverbial “brick wall”. How much time will it take to make the israeli neocons realize Israel is “on the end of the (political) rope” ?
– I must confess that I am surprised to see that there is a shift in attitudes, in both Israel and the US.
Very Good Post.
The shift in the tone of some Western media regarding Israel is overdue and very welcome, but the pessimist in me cautions that this is only temporary and the Western MSM will son revert to the same stance they have adopted since 1948- ie. the lauding of “poor little Israel” which was of necessity created to redeem the perceived treatment of European Jews in WW2 by the German Nazi’s and their sympathisers from other European countries. Of course, there is a great deal more history to all this which I’m sure people know, or can research, so I will not go on.
At the start of this thread I posted -at 26- my generally optimistic view of developments in the light of b’s discussion article. But others were not so optimistic and Ghost of Zanon posted-
I think B hit the hopium pipe too soon. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 8 2024 13:34 utc | 46
Unfortunately, I got a strong whiff of the hopium smoke and wrote my earlier post while still under the influence. On further reflection I now consider posters such as Ghost of Zanon, WMG and others are being far more realistic and things are going to get much worse for the Palestinians throughout (the phony artificial state of) Israel. While the West and others will utter admonishing words the genocide will continue while the West does SFA to stop it.
WMG intimated that the Zionist right wing will become more rabid. I agree but will re-post the following from my earlier contribution, which I regretfully consider to be still valid-
The right wing nutjobs of Israel will be apoplectic. When the realisation that the overall Zionist goal of removal of the Palestinian people from all of their historic lands has met a very serious blockage sinks in, they will very likely become extremely dangerous and unpredictable. I do not pretend any insight into the psychology of fanatical Zionists, but their apparent possession of nuclear weapons and appropriate delivery systems should lead everyone to worry. I sincerely hope that the US (and RF) are watching for signs of severe desperation, and have some (mutually agreed) plan to neuter any really insane Zionist behaviour.
I think this is in general accord with the thoughts of WMG.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Apr 9 2024 10:38 utc | 227

Re: Masada redux
Tel Avivi using nukes would mean the suicide for the Jewish State. Larry’s Johnson over at his blog has reached the conclusion that the Likud is embarked on suicide for Israel
https://sonar21.com/is-israel-winning-losing-or-about-to-commit-suicide/

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2024 11:01 utc | 228

Looks like Israel regards its ‘friends’ in the US as having some kind of trade arbitrator powers. The Turkish reaction is in part due to Israel rejecting Turkey’s plan for aid flights.
Israel, in response to Turkey, will complain and ask the US to introduce measures against Ankara
This was stated by Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz. In his opinion, Turkey’s restrictions are a violation of trade agreements.
📝 “Israel will take parallel measures against Turkey, which will damage the Turkish economy. I have instructed countries and organizations in the US to contact, stop investments in Turkey and prevent the import of products from Turkey, and I have asked our friends in the US Congress to look into the violation of laws and impose sanctions against Turkey accordingly,” Katz said.
✖️ Earlier, the Turkish Ministry of Trade announced a restriction on the export of 54 types of goods to Israel due to the operation in the Gaza Strip. – Ostashko reports

Posted by: JohninMK | Apr 9 2024 11:27 utc | 229

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2024 10:08 utc | 226
Your summaries of the ongoing ICJ Nicaragua-Germany hearings are invaluable. Thank you for your efforts.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Apr 9 2024 11:28 utc | 230

So the savages can’t negotiate any hostage release as part of a ceasefire deal… because they killed them all. And this page acts like they are the good guys. What sickos.

Posted by: New1 | Apr 9 2024 12:15 utc | 231

Posted by: New1 | Apr 9 2024 12:15 utc |
Is Israel for you the good guy? With more than 30‘000 dead Palestinians – mostly women and children.

Posted by: NoName | Apr 9 2024 12:25 utc | 232

Posted by: New1 | Apr 9 2024 12:15 utc |
And by the way… if you/somebody believe that one side are fully the „good guy“ and the other side is fully „the bad guy“ then you/they are a litte bit naive 😉

Posted by: NoName | Apr 9 2024 12:30 utc | 233

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2024 10:08 utc | 226
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Thank you for the summaries. I really benefitted from them.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2024 12:31 utc | 234

JohninMK | Apr 9 2024 11:27 utc | 229
Erdogen got hammered in recent elections . It was said from his inaction on Gaza. So then this move. Coupled with USA recent pressure which worked to stop co-operation with Russia on the gas hub that was going to supply Europe. Can USA now do anything to the chameleon leader? Penalising him will just restart his economic ties to Russia, like the grain deal where Turkey benefited by milling the product as a third party.
Israel’s reaction should show how much trade was occurring. I seen some stat’s a while back , Turkey was a top tier supplier with about 5.4 billion in 2023 export to Israel.

Posted by: Hankster | Apr 9 2024 12:35 utc | 235

https://i.ibb.co/vw8kDcd/netanyahoo.png

Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 9 2024 12:42 utc | 236

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2024 10:08 utc | 226
Your summaries of the ongoing ICJ Nicaragua-Germany hearings are invaluable. Thank you for your efforts.
Posted by: Gene Poole | Apr 9 2024 11:28 utc | 230
Seconded. Please keep it up, Exile.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 9 2024 12:42 utc | 237

because they killed them all.
Posted by: New1 | Apr 9 2024 12:15 utc | 231
‘Israel’ killed all the hostages.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 9 2024 12:44 utc | 238

Simplicius’ latest substack puts the ‘lisp” in “eclipse” if I may use such a phrase, in describing current U.S. SoS thusly: “a bitterly frightened but dangerous, beady-eyed cornered rodent, conspiring on how to inflict damage and suffering onto the world in order to mask its own downfall.”
Absofuckinglutely!

Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Apr 9 2024 13:17 utc | 239

“The Israeli government has yet found no way to compensate for it.”
Besides murdering 30k+ civilians with impunity and turning a lot of Gaza into post-apocalyptic hell …

Posted by: mspl | Apr 9 2024 13:28 utc | 240

Peter 215 :
“By asking that kind of question, Jane, you show how biased this debate is.
You prefer to unbelieve in both sides being played.
And you are in good company by most of Moa’s audience including B.
MI6 must be very happy with the bias in Britains favour most everywhere.”
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Don’t be ridiculous.
Thierry-Meyssan usually brings interesting information.
In this case I found his essay quite confusing.
Perhaps it was the translation, although he always uses the same translator.
In any case you seem to have missed the point of my question, which was open-ended and didn’t show any bias at all.

Posted by: Jane | Apr 9 2024 13:34 utc | 241

“Israel will take parallel measures against Turkey, which will damage the Turkish economy. I have instructed countries and organizations in the US to contact, stop investments in Turkey and prevent the import of products from Turkey, and I have asked our friends in the US Congress to look into the violation of laws and impose sanctions against Turkey accordingly,” Katz said.
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Posted by: JohninMK | Apr 9 2024 11:27 utc | 229
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Who the h— does Katz think he is “instructing” anyone outside Israel to do anything? This little gem really sez it all.
Will “Asking our friends in the US Congress” generate any cringes in the “halls of power” in DC?

Posted by: Jane | Apr 9 2024 13:43 utc | 242

Re: ICJ genocide hearings, German Defense:
First Thanks for reading. Decided might as well do a live update for the Bar.
Second – forgot to mention that the Secret Police lady in her introduction spent maybe 5 minutes going on how Germany is linked at the hip to Israel with German‘s modern founding dedicated to the protection of Israel. Apparently, the secret police lady didn’t realize that she was inadvertently making a case if Tel Aviv is committing genocide then Germany is too.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2024 13:51 utc | 243

Re: Turkey -Israel trade
If Washington sanctions Turkey; the result will be further de-dollarization and isolation of the War Party

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2024 13:56 utc | 244

I personally think we should take the claim of that “anonymous Arab diplomatic source” with a HUGE grain of salt.
After all, how would he know what was being discussed between the USA and Iran? Certainly not first-hand knowledge, so who is feeding him this?
And it simply beggars belief: the Iranians have every right in the world to smack Israel back for what it did, and we are expected to believe they’ll just give that up for some nebulous promise from Washington that they’ll sort out a ceasefire deal with Netanyahu? Really? The same dude who has been giving the middle-finger to Biden since this genocide started?
I don’t believe it.
I think this is a cover-story of the “plausible deniability” sort, to cover up the details of what Washington and Tehran have been discussing in their direct communications since the embassy was attacked. Discussions that pointedly EXCLUDED Netanyahu and his negotiators.
I am now firmly of the belief that Washington and Tehran have struck a deal, and it is essentially this: Yes, OK, OK, we agree that you can smack Israel back at least as hard as they struck you. Fine. OK. But it has to be an ISRAELI target, not a USA target, and you only get the one short.
If Iran does that – and I believe they will – then no matter how much Netanyahu screams fire and brimstone the response from Washington will be: Well, sorry, but you did ask for it.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Apr 9 2024 14:01 utc | 245

I am now firmly of the belief that Washington and Tehran have struck a deal, and it is essentially this: Yes, OK, OK, we agree that you can smack Israel back at least as hard as they struck you. Fine. OK. But it has to be an ISRAELI target, not a USA target, and you only get the one short.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Apr 9 2024 14:01 utc | 245
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April Glaspie is on line 2 and would like to have a brief word with you.
At least I hope the Iranians aren’t fool enough to trust any “deal” with Washington.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 9 2024 14:06 utc | 246

Exile@220….I don’t suppose Turkey would come out and ask it’s trading partners to boycott all commerce with the Apartheid Entity currently occupying Palestine.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 9 2024 14:06 utc | 247

Exile@220….I don’t suppose Turkey would come out and ask it’s trading partners to boycott all commerce with the Apartheid Entity currently occupying Palestine.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 9 2024 14:06 utc | 247
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As always, Turkey will do whatever is in the best business interests of the Erdogan family.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 9 2024 14:08 utc | 248

England’s Foreign secretary David Cameron meets with the USA’s Antony Blinken today to set out the UK’s reasoning for continuing arms sales to Israel as the government faces pressure to halt the exports over the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
Cameron on his trip has also met with Donald Trump to discuss his backing of Ukraine and Israel, he will also meet key figures across Congress to call on them to unblock the aid package to Ukraine, $600 billion dollars awaits the Neo-Nazi regime if Cameron can be persuasive enough to change Congresses mind.
In February, the Senate passed a $95.3 billion aid package, backed by President Joe Biden. I presume the other $35 billion dollars is set aside for Israel.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 9 2024 14:11 utc | 249

No ceasefire, Rafah to be attacked. More West Bank settlements. This is the Zionist position of Biden, Congress, USA population.
Here in the USA I still see Ukraine flags and zero “Stop Gaza Genocide” signs anywhere outside of a few student demonstrations.
Doesn’t matter. Israel population is declining with migration, economy crashed, US weapons burnt up, especially air defense. The delicate and complex US-Israel air force will fall apart next.
Parts of Israel are depopulated already.
USA is killing muslims to the last proxy Israeli Zionist. Just like proxy Ukraine Israel will collapse but since it is tiny it will fall apart quicker.
We seem to be in the “vietnamization” stage of our wars that started in 9-11-2001 using various proxy ghoul nazis, zionists, ISIS to continue the wars. It will be a while longer before it stops.
The USA needs war chaos to keep its hegemony but cannot continue; the USA is going broke supporting these wars. Like the Vietnam “American War” after wrecking many nations of SE Asia it had to stop. The super rich are changing their minds about these wars as the USA economy runs into trouble just like happened in the Vietnam war.

Posted by: John Law | Apr 9 2024 14:28 utc | 250

It seems there is more democracy in Islamist Turkey than any “Western Democracy”. Please provide any counter examples of how a country in the West has changed a single policy due to their latest genocide. Or for that matter, how any recent laws have been implemented contrary to the hegemonic narrative that actually benefits its citizens. Western Democracy is nothing more than a marketing brand.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Apr 9 2024 14:38 utc | 251

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 9 2024 14:11 utc | 249
„$600 billion dollars awaits the Neo-Nazi regime if Cameron can be persuasive enough to change Congresses mind.“
You probably mean 60 Billion?

Posted by: NoName | Apr 9 2024 14:40 utc | 252

Since several folks responded to my comment with predictions, I just want to say that I hope I am wrong. I hope that there is a ceasefire, and I hope that Iran is playing some sort of 5-D chess here by not responding to the destruction of its consulate in Syria, which is equivalent to an attack on Iranian soil by Israel.
But hope is not a strategy.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 9 2024 14:55 utc | 253

It seems there is more democracy in Islamist Turkey than any “Western Democracy”. Please provide any counter examples of how a country in the West has changed a single policy due to their latest genocide. Or for that matter, how any recent laws have been implemented contrary to the hegemonic narrative that actually benefits its citizens. Western Democracy is nothing more than a marketing brand.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Apr 9 2024 14:38 utc | 251
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Oh, they (the Western “democracies”) haven’t, that’s for sure, and you’re absolutely right about that. But the only difference between them and the Turkish “democracy” is the choice of pretty words.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 9 2024 15:40 utc | 254

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 9 2024 14:55 utc | 253
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Why does Iran have to react to every provocation by Israel? Doesn’t that make them weak and controllable?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2024 16:56 utc | 255

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 9 2024 15:40 utc | 254
But the only difference between them and the Turkish “democracy” is the choice of pretty words.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Apr 9 2024 17:34 utc | 256

“… There are serious signs that the Israeli government, under pressure from the U.S., …”, what is asserted without evidence can, and must be, denied without evidence.
dennis hanna

Posted by: dennis hanna | Apr 9 2024 21:26 utc | 257

Until we see the actual terms of the ceasefire agreement and the withdrawal of all IDF troops from Gaza and other Palistinian areas, the war will continue, even if at significantly reduced levels of intensity.
Nevertheless, if the spiritual aims of war have been met, then conflict will end accordingly. In my humble opinion, all wars occur owing to insufficient spirituality that, in turn, tends to spawn rampant corruption, vice, and criminality. Where the war is transpiring, long-held karmas are being settled, and mental conditions among men that are rigid and inflexible are being subtlely altered to preclude decisions that may lead to war in the future.
We suffer now with war that fundamentally modifies our mental capacities and abilities, or we suffer later with seemingly interminable strife, discord, and chaos.

Posted by: Truth | Apr 9 2024 21:29 utc | 258

Piotr Berman at #34
Two sections of the IEF (Israeli Extermination Forces) at cross purposes.
It is Netanyahu policy to use starvation as a weapon but it is also policy to get rid of UNRWA and replace it with a more controllable organization namely WCK. Sections of the army aware of policy #1 but not aware of policy #2 knowingly & intentionally attacked the WCK vehicles to support policy # 1 so the attack was intentional but not coming from the top level of government.

Posted by: Carlyle Moulton | Apr 10 2024 10:22 utc | 259

Posted by: snake | Apr 8 2024 15:06 utc | 81
I have to agree with your sentiments expressed. The UN was supposed to be the organisation you suggest we create, but it was obviously a fraudulent enterprise to begin with.
My somewhat naive solution is to disband the current UN and create a new, actually honest, truthful, and bound by law to be so organisation…(no former critters need apply)…and base it in a location like Madagascar, Socotra, Diego Garcia(after the US/UK/FR have been kicked-out), and create globally enforceable non-usury banking system, and a truly representative set of laws that are legally, and, sadly, physically enforceable.
Until we evolve beyond the empire urge, there will need to be some force to counteract the skullduggery of wannabe empire-builders.
But how do we do it without even more crypto-fascist police-state bullshit being forced upon us? I guess it will have to come down to independent nation states democratically making their own rules internally, while cross-border agitation is snuffed-out with a big global boot to the arse of anyone trying.
It is complicated, and beyond my ability to figure out in it’s entirety, but it seems that the interconnectedness of the world demands a global consensus of approach…at least up until the next major solar flare send us back to the 1870’s.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Apr 10 2024 11:15 utc | 260

“The fact is their technology is rubbish and doesn’t work.”
They are relying on a highly fallible technology, but they seem to enjoy the false-positives it so willingly provides them, as they can falsly use it to continue their ugliness.
“Announcing it to the world would eventually expose it as the charlatanism and snake oil it is.”
Sit tight, their evil, heartless crimes will be exposed, and they will face global humanities’ justice.
“And there will vanish the myth of their technological prowess, along with the myth of their eternal victimhood, long with the myth of their entitlement to Arab lands.”
Yes, the mask will be torn-off, the entire history of this project will be revealed, and the spiritually ugly demonic types that try to run it will be banished to a heavily-guarded island somewhere.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 8 2024 15:10 utc | 82

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Apr 10 2024 11:47 utc | 261

“I am not so sure about that. Whatever anyone’s feelings are about Erdogan, I know an elected politician is running the country. It is not Klaus Schwab, Goldman Sachs, at the Fed, the CIA, MI6 and Mossad, Boeing and Lockheed Martin, Big Oil, the Jewish State Department. It is the Devil I know.”
Posted by: Turk 152 | Apr 9 2024 17:34 utc | 256
Erdogan is crafty and indeed he is much better than the entities you noted.
Erdogan and his family now have amassed so great a fortune the West can’t bribe him as they do to other foreign politicians to control policy.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 10 2024 15:06 utc | 262

“Israel remains with three big problems: how to return the hostages;”
Make peace.
“how to bring the residents back home in the south and north [who were evacuated due to the fighting];”
Make peace.
“and how to set up an alternative to Hamas”
None of Israel’s business.
Israel is not trapped by circumstances. It is trapped by corrupt, immoral, illegal greed and ambitions.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Apr 10 2024 16:03 utc | 263

Erdogan and his family now have amassed so great a fortune the West can’t bribe him as they do to other foreign politicians to control policy.
Posted by: canuck | Apr 10 2024 15:06 utc | 262
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Maybe, but as a general rule, the more one has, the more one wants.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 10 2024 16:34 utc | 264

Good analysis but the English is seriously dicey. Should proofread before posting

Posted by: Dub | Apr 10 2024 16:52 utc | 265

The “differences” between America and Israel in general or Biden and Bibi in particular are only disputes over strategies … to achieve a common goal: a Final Solution to the “Palestinian problem.”
Biden and Netanyahu: United in goal, divided by strategy
https://thecradle.co/articles/biden-and-netanyahu-united-in-goal-divided-by-strategy

Posted by: ak74 | Apr 11 2024 5:56 utc | 266

Senior G7 diplomat (Newsweek, Oct 2023): “We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South. All the work we have done with the Global South [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”
After the Minsk Agreement treachery, there isn’t a single non-NAYOYO country that believes ANY DIPLOMATIC initiative by Israel and the US.
Is’s obvious that Israel has calculated the best means of avoiding justice for their criminal behaviour is to hide behind Washington.
So this putrid “ceasefire” BS peddled by Moon of Alabama should be treated with complete contempt.
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson: “…nobody now gives the United States any respect, apart from a handful of fascist Brits and that simpering little whore Tony Blair.”
H. L. Mencken (1880 – 1956): “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”
William Casey (CIA Director 1981-1987): “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”
Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, et al (1948): “Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the ‘Freedom Party’ (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties.”

Posted by: Ricardo2000 | Apr 11 2024 11:53 utc | 267