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April 8, 2024
Two Israeli Actions Misfired, Pushed Netanyahoo Into Retreat

Several recent incidents have increased the pressure on Israel to end its war on Gaza.

There are serious signs that the Israeli government, under pressure from the U.S., is now moving towards an intermediate ceasefire state that all sides may be able to live with – at least for a while. The decision to do that however has split the Netanyahoo government and may well end the coalition which supports it.

After six month of operations in Gaza the Israeli government has reached none of its announced aims. Neither is Hamas defeated, nor have the hostages been released. There is no viable plan who, if not Hamas, will in future rule the Gaza strip.

Israeli settlers, who have been living near the Gaza strip and the northern border, are still not willing to return to their homes as the government lacks a plan to guarantee their security.

Pressure on the Israeli government comes from several sides.

The war has been extremely costly for Israel's economy. The called up reservists have been missing in their work places. The tourism business is down on its knees. Providing for those hundreds of thousands who have fled from their homes is costly.

Large protest have erupted within Israel demanding the return of the hostages.

International criticism of Israel has risen to unprecedented levels. Several UN resolutions have condemned it for its war crimes in Gaza. The International Court of Justice has ruled against it.

Only the support from the United States had allowed Israel to continue. But two recent incidents have jeopardized it.

The first was Israel's assassination of seven people who had been working for World Central Kitchen, a U.S. based charity with good connections to Congress. Forty members of Congress, including Nancy Pelosi, have since spoken out against further unconditional support for Israel. The U.S. government under Joe Biden had to acknowledge that. It finally threatened to end its support for the Israeli government.

Following U.S. threats Israel immediately increased the provision of food to the starving population in Gaza:

The Defense Ministry body that coordinates Israeli activity in Palestinian territories said that 322 aid trucks entered the Gaza Strip on Sunday, the highest one-day total since the beginning of the war.

The second game changing incident was the Israeli attack on an Iranian embassy building in Damascus. A hit on any embassy is a serious crime that concerns all governments in this world. Iran would be fully within its rights to retaliated for such a strike.

The U.S. was extremely concerned over this as any Iranian response might well hit the many U.S. installation in the Middle East and could escalate into a wider war with severe consequences for all sides.

This had to be averted. Iranian media report now that a deal has been made in negotiations between Iran and the U.S. Iran will refrain from a direct attack on Israel if the U.S. guarantees a ceasefire in Gaza:

Iran informed the US that it would refrain from responding to the airstrike in which senior Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) commanders were killed in Damascus if a ceasefire in Gaza is reached, Jadeh Iran reported on Sunday.

The news outlet cited an anonymous Arab diplomatic source, saying the source spoke to the news outlet two days ago. The source added that "If America succeeds in containing the situation, it will be a great success for the Biden administration and we can build on that."

The report comes as negotiations for a ceasefire and hostage release deal resume between Israel and Hamas in Cairo and as Israel continues preparations for a possible response to the Damascus airstrike that Syria and Iran blamed on Israel.

For the first time in six months ceasefire negotiations have suddenly become serious:

The state-linked Al-Qahera reported that Qatari and Hamas delegations had left Cairo and were expected to return “within two days to finalize the terms of the agreement.”

US and Israeli delegations were due to leave the Egyptian capital “in the next few hours” and consultations were expected to continue over the next 48 hours, the outlet added.

The report, which was not confirmed by any of the parties in the talks, came after Israeli officials had indicated cautious optimism on the chances for a deal in comments carried by Hebrew-language media, with Jerusalem giving its delegation wider leeway to make concessions toward an agreement.

“This time is different, we are the closest we’ve been in months to a deal,” Channel 12 news quoted a source close to the talks saying.

Yesterday Israel withdrew its last but one brigade from Gaza. Many in Israel interpreted this as an admittance of defeat:

Is this how the war ends? Not with a bang, or even a whimper, but with the IDF pulling its ground forces out of Khan Younis, and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant asserting, in defiance of reality, that Hamas has “stopped functioning as a military organization throughout the Gaza Strip,” contradicting himself in the next breath, and clarifying a few hours later?

As Israel on Sunday marked six months since the October 7 massacre, the two prime declared goals of the war — destroying Hamas’s military capabilities and bringing home the remaining 129 hostages abducted that day — are patently unfulfilled.

Channel 12 TV’s military correspondent Nir Dvori, reading from his notes during the primetime evening news, presumably after a military briefing, echoed the assessment: “We have moved from war to fighting. The high-intensity [ground] maneuver is finished everywhere in Gaza. The operation in Khan Younis is done. [The IDF] is moving to the system of [more narrowly focused] raids.” Such raids were already being implemented in the north of Gaza, and now they would become the modus operandi in the south as well, he assessed.

Making no effort to conceal his dismay at the material he was conveying, Dvori declared that “the hunt for [Hamas’s Gaza chief Yahya] Sinwar now moves essentially to the realm of intel. And Israel, as we see, has given up on [its] two major points of leverage: both military pressure and humanitarian [aid].

“After half a year,” Dvori unhappily summed up, “Israel remains with three big problems: how to return the hostages; how to bring the residents back home in the south and north [who were evacuated due to the fighting]; and how to set up an alternative to Hamas” to administer the Strip. “If Israel cannot achieve a framework for this, and I don’t know of one, then we are entering a very big problem for Israel,” he concluded.

The radicals in Israel's government also interpret this as a defeat of their aims. They are threatening to blow up their coalition with Netanyahoo over this:

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich issues a statement calling on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to immediately convene the security cabinet to discuss the state of the war in Gaza, after the army pulled forces out of the southern Strip.

“The only forum authorized to make significant decisions in war is the full [security] cabinet, but unfortunately this is not how things are happening, and we are seeing decisions being made in the smaller [war] cabinet without approval, without updating the full cabinet, under international pressure that is harming the war’s momentum and our security interests,” he says.

The Netanyahoo government had gotten too cooky. Its army's attack on U.S. supported charity workers and its attack on the Iranian embassy in Damascus finally pushed the U.S. government to withdraw its support for the war.

Without support from the U.S. there is no way for Israel to continue a fight. Netanyahoo had to give up and did so.

We thus may now move towards a new balance of a lesser war which may sustain for a while but which can no be permanent.

The aim of Hamas' Al Aqsa Flood operation was to shatter the feeling of security and invincibility with he Zionist population of Israel. In has been successful in this.

The Israeli government has yet found no way to compensate for it.

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Protesters against the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza have been arrested in Istanbul’s Taksim square. Despite some pro-Palestinian rhetoric from the Turkish government, fear of demonstrations in central Istanbul continues to dominate its behaviour.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 8 2024 16:01 utc | 101

I think only reason Israel would temporarily stop is a negative effect of the genocide in Gaza in USA, related to the elections and Biden’s popularity.
With peaceful approach and 5D chess, Iran could gain nothing. The principle of reality is the power, force. Iran is powerless against the nuclear armed USA and Israel.

Posted by: vargas | Apr 8 2024 16:02 utc | 102

I suspect the US will push for the removal of all corruption charges against Bibi and guarantees for his safety. This would be the smart move.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Apr 8 2024 15:57 utc | 97
Why would that be a smart move?
That will just leave them stuck with the same wildcard lunatic who will pull them into another M.E debacle months or years down the line.
The “smart move” would be to terminate the idiot a la Diem.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 8 2024 16:03 utc | 103

Considering various degrees of leverage:
Hamas has more to work with now across current negotiations.
Whatever firm pressure was applied over past week only confirms the United States could have (should have) contained this stunning disaster back in Oct-Dec.
Israel basically has admitted “humanitarian aid” was deliberately used as leverage, confirming the knowing commission of massive war crimes.

Posted by: jayc | Apr 8 2024 16:04 utc | 104

Yet, at least according to corporate media, Hamas is not making those demands. Why not?
Posted by: Chas | Apr 8 2024 12:14 utc | 21
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Good question!

Posted by: Jane | Apr 8 2024 16:05 utc | 105

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 8 2024 15:52 utc | 96
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What one does and does not ask for in a negotiation is another strategic vector.
I don’t think the Iranians want to negotiate with the West. I think they want the West to feel like negotiation is possible. Whatever it takes to keep America out of escalation.
As you said, time is on the Axis of Resistance’s side.
Delaying can be an effective strategy.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 8 2024 16:12 utc | 106

Arch Bungle | Apr 8 2024 14:32 utc | 66–
Thanks for your reply. I very much agree with your assessment. Most of the second half of Crooke’s chat deals with Russia and there’s a very important bit at its end that deserves the attention of all barflies. As usual, I’ve put an article together related to Crooke’s Monday writing and chat, “Another Crooke Monday: Revulsion Escalates”.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2024 16:13 utc | 107

Palestinian joining the UN will end the Zionist regime Genocide in Gaza and the creation of a two (2) state solution.

Posted by: AI | Apr 8 2024 16:13 utc | 108

those rascally Israeli genociders.
They should have listened to Joe Biden sooner.
Does that sound as stupid as all the remarks that remove the US from the equation, just because they backspin failures?
No, actually it doesn’t.
Stop being propagandists, unless you really need that money.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Apr 8 2024 16:17 utc | 109

Delaying can be an effective strategy.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 8 2024 16:12 utc | 106
It’s hard to say. Stalling is almost instinctive in the West, when in a pinch, so yeah. “Delay is denial”.
I am sure Iran can walk and chew gum too. That is why I want to see some more elaboration of their terms, and what in particular the other parts of the “resistance” have to say.
It is not at all clear that the US government will be able to unite around some solution either, even a bad one.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 8 2024 16:22 utc | 110

Delaying can be an effective strategy.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 8 2024 16:12 utc | 106
No need to be in a hurry at this point, that is for sure. Too much blood shed already. The Izzies need it to stop NOW, but it may take them a while to come to terms with that. Iran might well not be in a hurry either, they have been making blood-curdling threats and just watching the Izzies quiver.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 8 2024 16:31 utc | 111

There seems to be a UN Committee meeting tonight for the second time in 11 years to consider Palestine membership This would go then to the 15 member Security Council. USA position still seems to be that they will not move from the earlier position of “no”….and can veto.
And then????? It goes against the Right of Self Determination???

Posted by: Jo | Apr 8 2024 16:37 utc | 112

The vassals might throw a few barks but Israel will put them all in line very quickly. It would be a miracle if there were even 5% of EU state ruling politicians of which Israel doesn’t have some incriminating information, like from Epstein island.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 8 2024 13:33 utc | 44
Remember that the ‘leaders’ of Europe are not, properly ‘vassals,’ they are mere puppets installed by the US and the bankers. For this reason, they can be replaced at any time. By an odd coincidence, PDiddy’s little blackmail scandal seems to be coming unravelled very publicly. This might just possibly be a maneuver to dispose of compromised operatives and break Israeli influence on the US. Neither Epstein nor Diddy are/were powers in themselves, they were give a modicum of power by much higher powers- and those powers can replace them or simply dispose of them and everyone they hold compromat on

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 8 2024 16:42 utc | 113

bwwe 73 – Why did some Irish in one section of Belfast welcome Brit troops in 1969?
Answer – because they were deluded into thinking that the Irish Catholic population would be protected from the Unionist Loyalist virulently anti Catholic monsters of the A and B Special Police forces. That never happened, and a reformed IRA (i.e.: the Provisional IRA subsumed the Offical IRA) and rearmed IRA (with Armalite AR 15’s and AK 47’s and lots of C4) took the war to the British Army, the RUC and UDR and the UVF and the Red Hand Comandoes and Ulster Vanguard, and MI5.
Again the IRA was never defeated and finally stood down, temporarily, after the 1998 Easter Agreement. The IDF apparently has never learned that lesson…………an indigenous and highly motivated insurgency is nearly impossible to defeat.
So far the IDF “kill them all and let God sort out the innocent” IDF philosophy has been a complete and total failure……..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Apr 8 2024 16:50 utc | 114

Iran FM Amirabdollahian opens new Syria consulate after deadly Israeli strike
here

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 8 2024 16:54 utc | 115

I went to Israel 46 years ago and was repulsed by their callousness about Palestinians. The Talmud is 4000 years old. Really time for USUK to take stock of this mummified object and let go of it.

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 8 2024 16:54 utc | 116

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 8 2024 14:32 utc | 66
Who is Pq?

Posted by: Unnamed | Apr 8 2024 17:09 utc | 117

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 8 2024 16:22 utc | 110
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Delaying is not stalling. Stalling is when there is no good response to offer. Delaying is intentionally not offering an option even when one exists.
The Chinese, Russians, Iranians, and Indians all understand making a guest wait before bringing them into a scheduled meeting or showing up fashionably late to intentionally and subtly show disrespect.
I don’t think the West is capable of that level of social nuance, a level that is necessary for successful diplomacy. It’s not just America, it’s France and Germany in Africa, and Germany in China. Western “diplomats” (think Baerbock, Ursula von der Leyen, Borrell) think they can bully and cajole people even when they lack any leverage at all. It’s funny. Like a sassy first grader threatening an MMA champion with a beating.
I get a kick out of Olaf (every time I see that name, I see it as “Oaf”) going to China to threaten them with economic sanction, an then German business owners remind Herr Scholz that their businesses are only profitable due to China given the German policies on energy.
We truly are ruled by the dumbest and most incompetent people available.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 8 2024 17:16 utc | 118

There seems to be a UN Committee meeting tonight for the second time in 11 years to consider Palestine membership This would go then to the 15 member Security Council. USA position still seems to be that they will not move from the earlier position of “no”….and can veto
Posted by: Jo | Apr 8 2024 16:37 utc | 112
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The Axis of Resistance members of the Security Council can say that America’s veto was “non-binding”. 😂
If America wants to return from losing 200 years worth of improvements in sea navigation, having to redirect around the Cape of Good Hope (an area which Ansarallah can still hit) they may have to capitulate.
This is an interesting scenario. Which will America give up for the other? Profit or ideology?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 8 2024 17:24 utc | 119

…… Israel basically has admitted “humanitarian aid” was deliberately used as leverage, confirming the knowing commission of massive war crimes.
Posted by: jayc | Apr 8 2024 16:04 utc | 104….
Brilliant insight – thank you

Posted by: Exile | Apr 8 2024 17:26 utc | 120

Already 130 or so Governmwnts recognize the Palestninian National State

Posted by: Exile | Apr 8 2024 17:27 utc | 121

The 2024 election is what will save the Palestinians. Biden, can’t be viewed as a senile old man on his third military defeat which now turns out to be a genocide. Biden needs to wrap this thing around Netanyahoo’s neck and declare himself an advocate of peace. The Israeli’s latest debacle of publicly killing white people at a food kitchen strikes terror in the heart of the DNC politicos.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Apr 8 2024 17:27 utc | 122

Hamas won?
Some six months ago I tweeted something like this:

HAMAS WON!
To undo this victory, Israel now has to kill 50,000 Palestinians and level Gaza to the ground.

So far Israel has only killed ~35,000 Palestinians and only destroyed half of Gaza. If the war ends now, it looks like a Hamas victory.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 8 2024 17:28 utc | 123

Recall the words of Confucius: “Young man with hole in pocket feel a little cooky all day.” Seriously, superb summary. Thank you.

Posted by: Richard | Apr 8 2024 17:37 utc | 124

Can we be clear that Israel’s goal was never to “defeat Hamas,” but to proceed with the ethnic cleansing? They’ve done pretty well there.
As for what shakes out: let’s wait until after the US election. Clearly the dems have to dial it back or they will LOSE at least the presidential election.
Like Hamlet said, “words, words, words.” All I pay attention to is whether the US continues to arm Israel. That’s all that matters.

Posted by: JAB | Apr 8 2024 17:57 utc | 125

Today:
Senior source within the Palestinian factions to Al Mayadeen: So far, there has been no progress in the negotiations, and the Zionist media is resorting to lies and deception to deceive its society through fabricated news.
Any new developments in the negotiations will be announced by the official media sources of our Palestinian people
Palestine Chronicle:
TOP HAMAS OFFICIAL (to Al-Jazeera): There was no progress in the negotiations in Cairo, and the Israeli delegation did not respond to any of Hamas’ demands.
TOP HAMAS OFFICIAL (to Al-Jazeera):
The Israeli stance still places obstacles in the way of reaching an agreement.
The Israeli response we received does not include a permanent ceasefire or withdrawal from the Strip.
According to the Israeli response, the return of the displaced is unsafe and occurs through crossings under the spears of the occupation.
The Israeli response conditions the return of the displaced to shelters, not to their areas and homes.

Posted by: JB | Apr 8 2024 17:58 utc | 126

There is not going to be a ceasefire. Netanyahu just said the date for the Rafah invasion is set.
Likely gonna do it by end of Eid.

Posted by: We need ceasefire | Apr 8 2024 18:07 utc | 127

Israel is a nuclear power ready to use that kind of weapons. It had no need to negotiate, as everybody is aftaid of them. Even USA is afraid of them.

Posted by: vargas | Apr 8 2024 18:12 utc | 128

Israel now has to prove that it is not a paper tiger. But the only way it can do that will court its own destruction.
Needless to say, it does not care who it takes with it.

Posted by: JAB | Apr 8 2024 18:15 utc | 129

Any new developments in the negotiations will be announced by the official media sources of our Palestinian people
Palestine Chronicle:
TOP HAMAS OFFICIAL (to Al-Jazeera): There was no progress in the negotiations in Cairo, and the Israeli delegation did not respond to any of Hamas’ demands.
TOP HAMAS OFFICIAL (to Al-Jazeera):
The Israeli stance still places obstacles in the way of reaching an agreement.
The Israeli response we received does not include a permanent ceasefire or withdrawal from the Strip.
According to the Israeli response, the return of the displaced is unsafe and occurs through crossings under the spears of the occupation.
The Israeli response conditions the return of the displaced to shelters, not to their areas and homes.

Posted by: JB | Apr 8 2024 17:58 utc | 126
Seems that some folks around here forgot that the Zionists own the Western media. They bought the fake ceasefire crap. I’m surprised- that’s like getting into a land war in Asia. Oldest mistake n the book.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 8 2024 18:16 utc | 130

Posted by: vargas | Apr 8 2024 18:12 utc | 128
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Israel has been defeated and humiliated.
Nukes are of little use to a pariah except as one final petulant act.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 8 2024 18:17 utc | 131

Interesting developments. Will believe Netanyahu backs down for real when I see it.
Standard response to setbacks is to provoke an additional cycle of escalation to divert attention of western sponsors. I can still see the same happening here. Another cheap shot at Iran or Hezbollah, in particular.

Posted by: pxx | Apr 8 2024 18:19 utc | 132

The 2024 election is what will save the Palestinians.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Apr 8 2024 17:27 utc | 122
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I think that Ansarallah and Hezbollah have done the heavy lifting.
The US cannot handle asymmetric warfare from Muslims that the CIA doesn’t control.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 8 2024 18:24 utc | 133

@133
In particular, Ansarallah showed that Western navies can’t protect shipping in the modern age. Profound implications for Taiwan.

Posted by: pxx | Apr 8 2024 18:29 utc | 134

“…finally pushed the U.S. government to withdraw its support for the war.” I wish I could be as optimistic as b.

Posted by: Steve | Apr 8 2024 18:30 utc | 135

There seems to be a UN Committee meeting tonight for the second time in 11 years to consider Palestine membership This would go then to the 15 member Security Council. USA position still seems to be that they will not move from the earlier position of “no”….and can veto.
And then????? It goes against the Right of Self Determination???
Posted by: Jo | Apr 8 2024 16:37 utc | 112
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The “Rules-Based International Order” is a game in which the US regime, for example, plays around with two principles of international law; the first principle is the sovereignty of states, the second one is the right of nations to self-determination. Since these two principles often conflict, the US regime supports whatever principle is advantageous to itself.
In one case, it is sovereignty (Crimea belongs to Ukraine! e.g.) and in another case it is self-determination (Kosovo ripped from Serbia, e.g.).This manner of conduct gives the appearance of being principled while being the opposite.
Once you understand the consistent beligerence of the Empire, such things are pretty easy to see, IMHO. The US regime conducts itself like a cartoon villain while ascribing such conduct to its official enemies and rivals.

Posted by: N Hanrahan | Apr 8 2024 18:56 utc | 136

If one takes a viewpoint that the US tries to use Israel as a proxy (counterpoint to Iran; it is as reasonable to assume that Netanyahu will tries to act independently (to hold the US in check). Biden (via Schumer) has threatened to ‘depose’ Netanyahu. Netanyahu, tit for tat, has threatened to depose Biden (the Iranian embassy attack). An escalation of a dirty little war in West Asia will destabilize inflation and gas prices (bye bye Biden). Both are now stalemated and ironically, Iran now holds the football.

Posted by: TMartin | Apr 8 2024 19:13 utc | 137

Simplicius’s latest piece indicates that there are ways to neutralize nuclear weapons.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 8 2024 19:15 utc | 138

The military campaign against Hamas was always secondary to the genocidal campaign against civilians. Israel has total control over all entry points to Gaza and will not allow enough aid in. Famine and drought will continue to be used as weapons. I also expect large outbreaks of disease to happen very soon.
The genocide campaign is far from over.

Posted by: SB | Apr 8 2024 19:23 utc | 139

@Petri Krohn | Apr 8 2024 17:28 utc | 123

So far Israel has only killed ~35,000 Palestinians and only destroyed half of Gaza. If the war ends now, it looks like a Hamas victory.

Those 35,000 are just direct deaths. The current excess deaths are unknown, the projected additional excess deaths for this spring and summer are in the range 10,000 – 85,000, with the lower figure referring to an immediate ceasefire at the time of the study, that is February. A detailed article on NPR explain the study.
It looks like Israel did not merely win, but triumphed.

Posted by: SG | Apr 8 2024 19:29 utc | 140

I would not believe US claims of ‘we did not know’
They have denied knowing anything about Ukrainian drone strikes….

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Apr 8 2024 19:41 utc | 141

they are regrouping to deal w/ the northern front – this is far from over

Posted by: abee | Apr 8 2024 19:41 utc | 142

unless a deal was made by Yellen in China last week

Posted by: abee | Apr 8 2024 19:43 utc | 143

@SG 140.
Is triumph measured in dead children?
For Hasbarans apparently so…

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Apr 8 2024 19:44 utc | 144

Bhadrakumar’s latest, on an expected Iranian response to the embassy bombing…
https://www.indianpunchline.com/irans-retaliation-against-israel-will-be-a-defining-moment-for-the-us/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 8 2024 19:47 utc | 145

“…finally pushed the U.S. government to withdraw its support for the war.” I wish I could be as optimistic as b.
Posted by: Steve | Apr 8 2024 18:30 utc | 135
Especially considering every elite in the US is aggressively vetted to ensure blindly pro Zionazi beliefs. Is it really possible to end US support for the genocide without the removal of the entire political, economic, and military elite first?
Perhaps a tactical pause is possible. Beyond that, I’d say you’d need civil war part 2: abolition of wage slavery to rid the country of these rats.
Bring it on!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 8 2024 19:58 utc | 146

Brand Israel has taken a hit from which it will not recover. Brand Judaism hit almost as bad. Won’t be possible to sell either in same way again. Maintaining Israel is expensive. Bud Light took a hit, might recover someday. Israel won’t. Into the sea and gone.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 8 2024 19:58 utc | 147

“Urgent| Leader of the Hamas movement, Mahmoud Mardawi, to the “Quds Network”:
– We reject the current offer presented, because it is also in essence no different from previous offers, as there is a change in the preamble regarding the displaced and some displacement of the army in the “Netzarim” sector without the army abandoning absolute withdrawal.
– In the previous proposal, the reference was regarding the return of the displaced without a certain reconstruction limit that prevents their return, and in the current proposal, civilians and military men were talked about in a loose manner that allows the occupation to detail the implementation framework in accordance with its mood.
– The last offer does not include withdrawal and guarantees freedom for the enemy to remain and control places where he speaks about his intentions, whether by establishing a security belt or the sector that separates the north from the south becoming a permanent buffer zone.
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– The last rejected offer presented to us did not mention talk of a ceasefire, but rather talked about sustainable calm, which allows the enemy to carry out military attacks within a specific frequency targeting specific targets that he calls “military” or “military.” “dangerous” to justify any future military aggression.
We will not accept division and division, and our position is clear that the displaced will return directly to their places of residence without restrictions or conditions.
The occupation specified the full number of its prisoners without mentioning the Palestinian prisoners and left the file, names and numbers to the Israeli mood, and we know that the government of the National Religious Current will not agree to release prisoners except with a trickle.
– In the first stage, he wants to release 40 prisoners alive, and if the specified criteria do not include this number of alive, prisoners of soldiers will be released until the required number is met, knowing that the fate of the Palestinian prisoners will be unknown, in addition to the displaced people, and it will not be guaranteed.
– We demand the complete return of the displaced without conditions or restrictions, and the occupation wants civilians and the military refuse. We say a comprehensive withdrawal, and the occupation offers a displacement process for a specific distance and keeps the return of the displaced under Israeli control and supervision.
– If the agreement is not comprehensive and integrated, including a ceasefire, the unconditional return of the displaced, securing relief and reconstruction, and completing a clearly defined prisoner deal, then what is its value?
Youssef Fares ”

Posted by: Ornot | Apr 8 2024 20:05 utc | 148

#58. Vote for Jill Stein running on a no-genocide pledge. Building an alternative to the duopoly.

Posted by: Lavieja | Apr 8 2024 20:06 utc | 149

@Judge Barbier | Apr 8 2024 19:44 utc | 144

Is triumph measured in dead children?

Since the main and only aim of Israel is the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, yes it is. Quite obviously, I add.

For Hasbarans apparently so…

When I said back in October that an immediate ceasefire was the best option for Palestinians, I was called a Hasbaran because Israel fell in Hamas’s trap, and Sun-Tzu, and never stop an enemy when it is doing a mistake, and the Global South, and all that kool-aid to drink.
So, if it makes you feel better, I’ll say that a couple of hundred thousand dead Palestinians would be a great victory for Hamas. Half million and they win the jackpot. Haniyeh for sure is counting his money.

Posted by: SG | Apr 8 2024 20:15 utc | 150

78 Aleph-Null. The 3 security people: John Chapman, James Henderson, James Kirby from UK???

Posted by: Lavieja | Apr 8 2024 20:27 utc | 151

What retreat??!!! Nuttyyahoo just announced the time schedule for the invasion of Rafah. It is absolutely clear to the entire world that absolutely Nothing said by the Izzzyhells or the Evil Empire can be relied on.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Apr 8 2024 20:30 utc | 152

To turn the table, Kirby says it is Iran that must reign in Hamas, so not a question of the US reigning in “Israel” .
The ceasefire offer was known to be virtually unacceptable to Hamas.
“Israel” removed its troops ftom Gaza because when it orders Palestinians in the south back to the north, as a “safe zone”, there would be no point trying to police that and troops would be in the way.
So the resulting view presented is that Hamas rejected the ceasefire offer, so giving reason for “Israel” to take the south.
Possibly timed for Eid, not sure.

Posted by: Ornot | Apr 8 2024 20:31 utc | 153

This has never been a war, despite Oct. 7th theatrics. We’re still in Act One of a three-act play called The Final Solution to the Palestinian Problem. The stage is filled with rubble, and this bulldozer has no reverse gear.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 8 2024 14:45 utc | 71
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Yes. Anyone who reads Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, knows that this act was built into the first act–even the preamble.
Ben-Guerion wanted to “do” the 1967 war already in 1949 or so.
Ditto, grab Golan Heights.
Ditto, grab East Jerusalem.
Ditto, grab all the lands held by Bedouins in the Negev.
And, ditto, Eretz Israel: from the Nile to the Euphrates.
The program never changes. Just the timing and, most important, the obfuscations/arguments/rationales/”concessions”/”apologies” and of course the ridiculous threadbare excuses pitched to the bamboozled US govt and people by the AIPAC pipulists.

Posted by: Jane | Apr 8 2024 20:31 utc | 154

Regional war imminent?
Iran told the US, “If you secure a permanent ceasefire in Gaza, then we will not retaliate against Israel (for bombing the Iranian embassy).”
But Biden couldn’t do it; and Netanyahu just announced that he will attack Rafah in Gaza.
Can Iran carry out a targeted attack that is big enough to satisfy Iranians but not big enough to invoke Israeli attacks?
Complex geopolitical chess moves ahead…

https://twitter.com/Kanthan2030/status/1777432931797213220

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 8 2024 20:32 utc | 155

I suspect the US will push for the removal of all corruption charges against Bibi and guarantees for his safety. This would be the smart move.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Apr 8 2024 15:57 utc | 97
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Hmm, that wouldn’t be meddling in a sovereign state’s domestic politics, would it???

Posted by: Jane | Apr 8 2024 20:34 utc | 156

@ Lavieja | Apr 8 2024 20:27 utc | 151
What are you hearing about UK’s slain WCK workers?
I just heard about the Canadian/American, Flickinger, that his father is calling for an immediate suspension of aid to 48 (but nothing about Flickinger’s background, work-history, etc.) I have to search around for even this much.
Anything you can share about the background of WCK workers, dead and alive, would be warmly appreciated. There might be an important puzzle here, depending.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 8 2024 20:38 utc | 157

91 Arch Bungle. I read that aid that came into South being blocked from heading to north Gaza. Israel plan to keep genociding the north of Gaza?’

Posted by: Lavieja | Apr 8 2024 20:42 utc | 158

Regional war imminent?
Iran told the US, “If you secure a permanent ceasefire in Gaza, then we will not retaliate against Israel (for bombing the Iranian embassy).”
But Biden couldn’t do it; and Netanyahu just announced that he will attack Rafah in Gaza.
Can Iran carry out a targeted attack that is big enough to satisfy Iranians but not big enough to invoke Israeli attacks?
Complex geopolitical chess moves ahead…
https://twitter.com/Kanthan2030/status/1777432931797213220
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 8 2024 20:32 utc | 155

Israel is very confident. USA/EU also. They all love how efficient is this genocide.
They will escalate because they can escalate.

Posted by: vargas | Apr 8 2024 20:50 utc | 159

109 Not Ewe. Downside:Genocide Joe’s approval ratings go up.

Posted by: Lavieja | Apr 8 2024 20:54 utc | 160

Hamas and Netanyahu were in collusion on October 7 2023.
And that aspect still matters.
The butcher regime needed Hamas as part of the preparations for the slaughter.
So Hamas was partly controlled opposition but not wholly.
Part of them broke with the background to the Muslim Brotherhood.
I dont know but perhaps those who broke with MB represent a more genuine branch of the opposition?
The ruthless imperial stooge Netanyahu liked the more islamist branch predicting it would be seen as fanatical.
Behind all this lies Great Britain who designed it all from the beginning.
Always ready to select suitable material for radical cults.
With the planned intention to use them for the favour of the empire.
The US continued to work the Muslim Brotherhood.
The US/UK brought Khomeini, greatly supported by the Muslim Brotherhood, to power.
Israel had also been involved in Iran.
They helped the UK organise the shah’s secret police. And handled torture.
The Muslim Brotherhood was in some way a branch of UK intelligence and continued being a branch of the US/UK imperial networks.
It was never a natural representative for the arabs.
And therefore Hamas was not a natural representative of the Palestinians.
Those who are critical of Israel have often been more protective about Hamas and less enthusiastic about the rival on the Westbank.
That is because it is said to be corrupt.
But that leaves the Palestinians with two corrupt branches.
The corruptor is the US/UK/Israel and some rich arab cousins.
The US/UK/Israel is of course the mentor of the rest.
I think less radical and more panarabic instincts would have been better.
It was to prevent panarabism and development that Britain supported radicals.
Nazis zionists and islamists are all examples of cults almost made and encouraged by Great Britains agents.
An important element was that Britain has more intellectual power to bring forth.
And used it to determine what older elements to encourage.
And the purpose was always imperial never benevolent.
So Britain chose the worst old element they could dig up.
And that became part of what led to the Muslim Brotherhood
I now point you to Thierry Meyssan for one of his many original and, presumably, insightful overviews
Washington, London and Tel Aviv entangled in Palestine by Thierry Meyssan
“…nothing has been resolved by both Benjamin Netanyahu’s revisionist Zionists and Ismail Haniyeh’s Hamas. These two groups, which claim to defend Jews and Arabs respectively, are in fact pursuing the British colonial project, formulated in 1915 by Lord Spencer, of a region incapable of defending itself.”
https://www.voltairenet.org/article220588.html

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Apr 8 2024 21:07 utc | 161

Unnamed | Apr 8 2024 17:09 utc | 117–
Hard to define Pq aside from looking at what and who it attacked–me and Alastair Crooke. IMO, it was what I call a sophisticated troll, of which we’ve seen well over a dozen since the SMO commenced.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2024 21:28 utc | 162

157 Aleph_Null. The Jewish Chronicle, thejc.com/news.

Posted by: Lavieja | Apr 8 2024 21:33 utc | 163

Lavieja 163. re. James Kirby, bristolpost.co.uk.

Posted by: Lavieja | Apr 8 2024 21:46 utc | 164

Aleph_Null. Nothing really in above sources on what they may really may have been doing in Gaza, but maybe some clues to find out are in those media, I don’t know.

Posted by: Lavieja | Apr 8 2024 21:52 utc | 165

The genocidal settler fanatics in the Netanyahu government in no way will agree to a ceasefire. All the talk of Israel agreeing to a ceasefire, not invading Rafah, and ending hostilities is time-buying BS.
On Sunday, Yoav Gallant, the “human animal” guy, said the Rafah invasion will proceed.

“Our forces are going to prepare for their follow-up missions. We saw examples of such missions in Shifaa, and [will see] such missions in the Rafah area. We will reach a point when Hamas no longer controls the Gaza Strip and does not function as a military framework that poses a threat to the citizens of the State of Israel.”

I think Zionist propaganda has infected far too many people in the so-called West. These are not rational people, Jews fearing another Holocaust. They are Zionist supremacists, Talmud-obeying goyim-hating racists, ethnic cleansers, and genocidal mega-war criminals. They hate Biden and all goyim, the same as they hate and want to eradicate Palestinians and all Arabs in the neighborhood.
We are seeing the true face of modern Revisionist Zionism. It was mostly hidden away for decades, thanks to an obscurantist corporate media on the side of the “Israelis,” and faithfully hiding their crimes—mass murder, rape, torture, illegal detention, raids, starvation diets, blockades, occupation, pure evil racist hatred for year after year.
I still fear for the worst possible outcome in this completely avoidable situation. The Zionists lost in Khan Yunis and everywhere else in Gaza. They will kill thousands in Rafah before stampeding the rest into that cattle pen constructed on the other side of the border by a complicit Egypt.
Or the “pier” built by the Americans, ostensibly for food and aid delivery, but actually designed to force Palestinians into the cargo hold of military ships and to be forever removed from Gaza.
If the Zionist plan succeeds, there will be luxury hotels on Gaza beach, constructed over the rotted corpses of Palestinian children and pregnant women.

Posted by: Old Major | Apr 8 2024 22:00 utc | 166

I think many of you are missing the point when you argue whether Iran should retaliate , or not, over the attack on its embassy / consulate. Ultimately, it doesnt, as there will be a ” retaliation” whether Iran wants it or not, that was one of the major points of the attack. Now the Zios / US just waits for the right time , and bang, they will have their casus belli.
Additionally, now would be a good time for us to go on public record with our predictions for Gaza, this will prevent backtracking later on, so I’ll go first.
* Gaza will be emptied out, and the remaining Palestinians will be spread out to all corners of the Earth, mainly Europe.
* Israel, nor any Israeli, will ever be held accountable or punished.
* The nations of the world will ” cry ” a good game, but will be itching ” to move on” and ” focus on the future” once the deed is done. This includes China and Russia.
* Most likely, there will be a major event, either at the beginning of the Rafah attack or towards it completion, which will completely dominate the news cycle diverting the world’s public short attention spans away from the massacre in Gaza.
I trully hope I’m wrong on this, but I must follow logic and history to its probable conclusions. I’m on official record now, who’s next ?

Posted by: Moonie | Apr 8 2024 22:04 utc | 167

@moonie
Thanks for putting yourself on record. It is hard to argue with any of your predictions. I don’t see anything in there I can dare to argue about. You’re simply taking past behaviors and extrapolating them forward.
I’ll add a few of my own:
1. Netanyahoo will send the IDF in to clear Rafah sometime after Ramadan ends, maybe this week. That is certainly a part of your first prediction, more like a necessary next step.
2. Western countries including US will do nothing.
3. Iran won’t retaliate at all for the consulate bombing.
4. Israel will hit another target in Syria soon and kill more Iranian generals.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 8 2024 22:15 utc | 168

this Zanon sounds as agitated as netnyahoo. It is in the best interest of Iran, and Palestine, not to retaliate. Political downfall of likudniks is victory for Palestinians.

Posted by: ATH | Apr 8 2024 22:25 utc | 169

Posted by: Moonie | Apr 8 2024 22:04 utc | 167
So Dementia Joe was the sacrificial lamb all along and the Dems will just hand the election to Trump or go with plan B – “Steal the Vote 2024!”?

Posted by: Turk 152 | Apr 8 2024 22:34 utc | 170

All US military allies have run out of interceptor missiles and components. That’s the only reason for this ceasefire.
Iran and Hezbollah should engage Israel in its northern border.

Posted by: Jason | Apr 8 2024 22:39 utc | 171

I think Zionist propaganda has infected far too many people in the so-called West. These are not rational people, Jews fearing another Holocaust. They are Zionist supremacists, Talmud-obeying goyim-hating racists, ethnic cleansers, and genocidal mega-war criminals. They hate “Biden and all goyim, the same as they hate and want to eradicate Palestinians and all Arabs in the neighborhood.
We are seeing the true face of modern Revisionist Zionism. It was mostly hidden away for decades, thanks to an obscurantist corporate media on the side of the “Israelis,” and faithfully hiding their crimes—mass murder, rape, torture, illegal detention, raids, starvation diets, blockades, occupation, pure evil racist hatred for year after year.
I still fear for the worst possible outcome in this completely avoidable situation. The Zionists lost in Khan Yunis and everywhere else in Gaza. They will kill thousands in Rafah before stampeding the rest into that cattle pen constructed on the other side of the border by a complicit Egypt.
Or the “pier” built by the Americans, ostensibly for food and aid delivery, but actually designed to force Palestinians into the cargo hold of military ships and to be forever removed from Gaza.”
Posted by: Old Major | Apr 8 2024 22:00 utc | 166
An interesting post-you should do so more often.
I don’t believe Israel will prevail-we will see.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 8 2024 22:45 utc | 172

Looks like tiny little Hamas and the tiny little Houthis have left both Biden’s and Netanyahu’s political careers in shreds. David vs. Goliath for sure! https://jpstillwater.blogspot.com/2024/04/tiny-little-hamas-has-somehow-managed-to.html

Posted by: Jane Stillwater | Apr 8 2024 22:46 utc | 173

“Remember that the ‘leaders’ of Europe are not, properly ‘vassals,’ they are mere puppets installed by the US and the bankers. For this reason, they can be replaced at any time. By an odd coincidence, PDiddy’s little blackmail scandal seems to be coming unravelled very publicly. This might just possibly be a maneuver to dispose of compromised operatives and break Israeli influence on the US. Neither Epstein nor Diddy are/were powers in themselves, they were give a modicum of power by much higher powers- and those powers can replace them or simply dispose of them and everyone they hold kompromat on”
Posted by: Honzo | Apr 8 2024 16:42 utc | 113
Excellent analysis.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 8 2024 22:50 utc | 174

Israel represe native at the UN yesterday
Israel representative in UN: “The United Nations, in complete violation of its charter, is investigating the implementation of the establishment of a Palestinian terrorist state. It will not be a normal country, but a terrorist country.
If Hitler was alive today, he would praise the UN. If this happens, the UN will be remembered as an organization hijacked by terrorists and human rights abusers.
Yesterday we marked the sixth month anniversary of the October 7 massacre, in which Hamas carried out the most widespread and shocking massacre since the Holocaust. Whole families were destroyed and communities were reduced to dust.”
The guy is completely nuts and inverted reality. Playing victim when it’s Israel that destroyed whole families and turned cities not just communitires into dust

Posted by: Hankster | Apr 8 2024 23:01 utc | 175

Following negotiations between Hamas and Israel is virtually impossible. First, William Burns, head of US CIA, has been added to the US negotiating team. Second, unless Netanyahu is marginalized in some way, nothing of substance will occur. Inquiring minds would assume that Burns is there to promulgate a “new” US plan, but one which is not reported to address the three key Palestinian/Hamas requirements: 1) Permanent cease fire; 2) complete withdrawal of Israeli troops from Gaza and 3) lifting the siege of Gaza to permit free, unimpeded access to aid. The major problem in these negotiations is that Gazans and Palestinians have de facto in their continuing full support of Hamas essentially declared they prefer death over life under the Israeli jackboot.
Brilliant move on the part of Palestinians to reawaken their request for full statehood with the UN. While Biden, Blinken, Bibi and Cameron appear to moderate their actions, they continue to ship billions of dollars worth of armaments and the F-16 deal is not off the table. For millions of starving Gazans, mostly elderly, women and children, 320 trucks of of aid – all of which need careful and very time consuming “review” by IDF/IOF- is far from sufficient. Push/pull is the order of the day. The big print in the headlines indicates Palestine success, and the sidebar actions take it away. There is no way the US/UK/EU are giving up their heavily armed beachhead in West Asia and this is particularly true since the loss in the Afghanistan war and now the Ukraine.

Posted by: abierno | Apr 8 2024 23:02 utc | 176

“…nothing has been resolved by both Benjamin Netanyahu’s revisionist Zionists and Ismail Haniyeh’s Hamas. These two groups, which claim to defend Jews and Arabs respectively, are in fact pursuing the British colonial project, formulated in 1915 by Lord Spencer, of a region incapable of defending itself.”
https://www.voltairenet.org/article220588.html
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Apr 8 2024 21:07 utc | 161
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It seems like Muslim Brotherhood is considered all-around bad news—just say the name and people shrink in horror. Can it be proved that the group was formed by the British?
In reading Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, Muslim Brotherhood volunteers and militias from Egypt were just about the only armed troops that tried to defend the Palestinians from the Zionist fanatics during the Nakba.
As for Hamas, I have read that they have evolved in various ways. Surely winning the election in 2006, and thus more or less having to try to govern Gaza, would have an effect on their ideology and goals.
Is it fair to tar Hamas with the Muslim Brotherhood brush, when normal political activity has been totally suppressed and any political or normal administrative action is labeled “terrorism” by the Zionists and their proxies (the USA/UK) and bombed to smithereens (such as the Municipal Building in Gaza)?
Just wondering . . .

Posted by: Jane | Apr 8 2024 23:12 utc | 177

“The guy is completely nuts and inverted reality. Playing victim when it’s Israel that destroyed whole families and turned cities not just communitires into dust
Posted by: Hankster | Apr 8 2024 23:01 utc | 175
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More Zionist “shoot and cry.”

Posted by: Jane | Apr 8 2024 23:14 utc | 178

162 Karlof1. PQ is sensitive about criticism of the Gulf States’ lack of support for Palestine. On the other hand, Norm Finkelstein has said after US cut funding to UNRWA, mbs spends more $millions on one night at the brothel than the amount SA offered to help UNRWA.

Posted by: Lavieja | Apr 8 2024 23:21 utc | 179

Last one tonight – all borrowed via FearlessJohn who is on fire this evening here’s a couple there’s many more there. In Europe I am not so far from this madness (just like the ukraine).
The evil New Fascist C21st Guernica happening on the Mediterranean, why there aren’t international Brigades going to fight the Fascists is obvious. Unlike that Spanish precursor to WW2 only volunteers to fight Russia or Syria are allowed by our Lords and Masters and their media muppet narratives.
I can’t bear the courage and simple humanity of the answers from the youngest only surviving kids from families for whom a whole new acronym has been created – their words in their beautiful voices are horrific but their faces and eyes are the most human spirit to behold. If anyone wants to believe in a god there is where they should look.
First the ever growing charge sheet of crimes against humanity – it can’t be unprosecuted and soon.
‘ Palestinian Government Media Office: The most important statistics of the genocidal war waged by the occupation on the Gaza Strip for today (185)
◻️ (185) days since the genocidal war.
◻️ (2,941) massacres committed by the occupation army.
◻️ (40,207) martyrs and missing persons.
◻️ (33,207) martyrs who arrived at hospitals.
◻️ (14,520) child martyrs.
◻️ (30) children were martyred as a result of famine.
◻️ (9,568) female martyrs.
◻️ (485) martyrs of medical staff.
◻️ (65) martyrs from the Civil Defense.
◻️ (140) martyred journalists.
◻️ (7,000) missing.
◻️ (75,933) infected.
◻️ (73%) of the victims are children and women.
◻️ (17,000) children live without their parents or one of them.
◻️ (11,000) wounded people need to travel for “life-saving and dangerous” treatment.
◻️ (10,000) cancer patients face death and need treatment.
◻️ (1,089,000) infected with infectious diseases as a result of displacement.
◻️ (8,000) cases of viral hepatitis infection due to displacement.
◻️ (60,000) pregnant women are at risk due to lack of access to health care.
◻️ (350,000) chronic patients are at risk due to non-administration of medications.
◻️ (310) cases of arrest of health personnel.
◻️ (20) cases of arrest of journalists whose names are known.
◻️ (2) million displaced people in the Gaza Strip.
◻️ (171) government headquarters destroyed by the occupation.
◻️ (100) schools and universities were completely destroyed by the occupation.
◻️ (305) schools and universities partially destroyed by the occupation.
◻️ (229) mosques were completely destroyed by the occupation.
◻️ (297) mosques partially destroyed by the occupation.
◻️ (3) Churches targeted and destroyed by the occupation.
◻️ (70,000) housing units were completely destroyed by the occupation.
◻️ (290,000) housing units that were partially destroyed by the occupation and uninhabitable.
◻️ (70,000) tons of explosives dropped by the occupation on Gaza.
◻️ (32) hospitals that were taken out of service by the occupation.
◻️ (53) health centers that the occupation took out of service.
◻️ (159) health institutions targeted by the occupation.
◻️ (126) ambulances were targeted by the occupation army.
◻️ (200) archaeological and heritage sites destroyed by the occupation.
◾Follow:
https://t.me/European_dissident
Next an Interesting narrative by Spanish cook about his thoughts on his 7 volunteers killed. He seems to be down playing them and is talking about rules on the battlefield!
‘ World Central Kitchen (WCK) founder JoseAndres responded on Sunday in an exclusive interview withABC News to Israel’s claims that they had drone footageshowing a Hamas operative firing from an aid truck, prior tothe Israeli army killing seven WCK aid workers with multipleair strikes. He said that Hamas cannot be “brought into thequestion” every time something happens and that “it’s beensix months of targeting anything that seems to move”.
https://t.me/European_dissident ‘l

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 8 2024 23:23 utc | 180

karlof lO7 asks:
“What should the world do with the Zionists, and not just the government but the overall population that supports and avidly calls for the commission of all the crimes committed to-date? ”
Thank you, karlof1. Here is what the world should do – well, not just the world but in particular those Jews who know in their hearts that these people need to find, as so many others have found, their true roots in their true heritage, which they have lost or forgotten or been persuaded out of…whatever it is that has gripped not only them but all of the west in a crazed ‘There is NO ALTERNATIVE’ Nightmare existence. Are they happy to be there? No, they are not. Can they get out of it? Yes, they can!
I am just beginning to really read Martin Buber for his fundamental scholarship in Judaic history. There is online a readthrough of one of his books that I am only just beginning, and it is exciting to discover the early faith as it was understood by such writers. I will say more on the open threads, but this for a start:
Promises of land given by God to Abraham in early texts and onward are not to be understood as if they are legal entities. The distinction for the early Israelis is that although land is also ‘given’ by God to other tribes as well in those early times, because he has created these places for all people (Adam and Eve are not particularly jewish), still, only those Israelis sometimes recognize (with the help of Moses) that this gift comes from God. But most of all, it isn’t an exclusive gift – the only exclusivity is in that recognition. Others dwell rightfully around them, potentially in multicultural harmony. And there is that when Abraham and Sarah are buried in Canaanite-gifted caves. I don’t know the Islamic faith, but I would bet there is that same exclusivity there – that the land is Godgifted. Because the heritage, the Semitic heritage if you like, is the same.
So, in answer to your question, karlof1, Israelis need to rediscover their heritage, their common heritage with Islamists and others.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 8 2024 23:31 utc | 181

Israel representative in UN: “The United Nations, in complete violation of its charter, is investigating the implementation of the establishment of a Palestinian terrorist state. It will not be a normal country, but a terrorist country.
“If Hitler was alive today, he would praise the UN. If this happens, the UN will be remembered as an organization hijacked by terrorists and human rights abusers.” . . .
Posted by: Hankster | Apr 8 2024 23:01 utc | 175
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The irony being that the Palestine up for recognition at the UN, and recognized by dozens of states already, is the quisling/kapo Palestinian Authority.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 8 2024 23:34 utc | 182

And that makes it Hamas for the win!

Posted by: AllSeeingEye | Apr 8 2024 23:34 utc | 183

This Lavender AI sounds like someone watched Captain America Winter Soldier and thought Hydra deep infiltrators of SHIELD’s secret Project Insight, a flying carrier with AI lists to kill any who’d resist them, was a good idea. Hydra is the Nazi stand-in and their project was for a dictatorship by means of killing anyone who could be remotely heroic and good. Crazy evil but on brand for Zionism & the Occupied Palestine regime.
It’s like theatrical spoiled children taking cues from cartoon villain plots. This is a farcical level of incompetent evil.

Posted by: titmouse | Apr 8 2024 23:37 utc | 184

Jane | Apr 8 2024 23:12 utc | 177
You are, I believe, right on both counts. All sorts of influences go into the formation of groups like the Brotherhood and Hamas, both founded under the suspicious eyes of colonial rulers. And both encouraged, semi-sponsored because they were anti-communist in an era in which the colonists feared nothing- Islam included- more than they feared secular communism, with its appeal to Jews, Muslims and Christians and its opposition to imperialism which implied links with great powers like the USSR and China.
It was all part of the divide and rule strategy which was used by all empires though and more than Britain’s.
What matters, however is what is happening now, and that Hamas has become Palestine’s most important authentic national movement. Its Sunni sectarianism has been shed, now it sees Hezbollah and Iran, Ansarullah and the Iraqis as allies, only ten years ago it was, shamefully, fighting against the government in Syria.
In the meantime Fatah which Israel and the West feared so much that they saw in Hamas a rival pole, has become completely tamed and dominated by the likes of Abbas and Dahlan.
Movements learn from experience and they deserve to be judged by what they do, rather than what has been said of them.
Hamas is what it seems to be, and if it was not it would not have the support of Gazans and the great majority of Arabs, perhaps even muslims around the world who recognise brave men fighting for the truth and justice.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 8 2024 23:46 utc | 185

Israel has been offered a way out of its criminal genocide. A way forwards to a Palestinian State described in all the UN resolutions.
This way forward says that a tiny group of Nazis in Likud have made an error of judgement which could be , even now, swept under the carpet if they accept the status quo of UN resolutions.
This is one last chance for Likud to come to its senses before the UN appoints a licenced referee to militarily intervene against Israel.
If either Russia or China were authorised to intervene, neither of them would so directly, but instead arm Muslim proxies to attack Israel through Iran.
It’s completely irrelevant what Israel adds to its existing genocide of Palestine , US has in effect declared that the UN resolutions on a 2 state solution are cast in stone.
No amount of further criminal genocide will change that legal position .
This moves the goalposts to legalising military action against Isrsel and the window of opportunity to punish Hamas given by the US is now closing.
Our kind host, b.’s optimism is well justified. US is signing off from supporting genocide and signing on to Russia or China enforcing the UN resolutions through proxies.
Of course we all know it will be difficult to get the patient into the straitjacket. The dissolution of Israel has been necessitated by 1/ genocide and 2/ breaking of the sanctity of Embassies.
The patient is apparently unaware of its own deranged mental condition,
so the legal authority and methodology has been created to force them to comply or be put under
control by force.
More people will die in that process.
But the right sanctions are now in place against Taz Israel.

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 8 2024 23:47 utc | 186

” 1. Netanyahoo will send the IDF in to clear Rafah sometime after Ramadan ends, maybe this week. That is certainly a part of your first prediction, more like a necessary next step.
2. Western countries including US will do nothing.
3. Iran won’t retaliate at all for the consulate bombing.
4. Israel will hit another target in Syria soon and kill more Iranian generals.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 8 2024 22:15 utc | 168 ”
Welcome aboard, It looks like you’re one of the brave few willing to flesh out your predictions in public. Kudos to you sir.

Posted by: Moonie | Apr 8 2024 23:48 utc | 187

” So Dementia Joe was the sacrificial lamb all along and the Dems will just hand the election to Trump or go with plan B – “Steal the Vote 2024!”?
Posted by: Turk 152 | Apr 8 2024 22:34 utc | 170 ”
Not sure about that, but does it matter ultimately ? Hopefully, we all can see by now how the real PTB operate and its not through ” democratic ” processes.

Posted by: Moonie | Apr 8 2024 23:51 utc | 188

Who is Pq?
Posted by: Unnamed | Apr 8 2024 17:09 utc | 117
Good question …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 8 2024 23:54 utc | 189

#58. Vote for Jill Stein running on a no-genocide pledge. Building an alternative to the duopoly.
Posted by: Lavieja | Apr 8 2024 20:06 utc | 149
I don’t know if you’re familiar with the US Constitution, but it designed to implement the class dictatorship of the big bourgeoisie and it is very good at that. There is no alternative to the duopoly except revolution. Even if, by some miracle, Jill Stein could become president of the US, she would be completely powerless. She has no institutional support in the executive branch, and no allies in the legislative branch, and the judiciary are absolutely committed to the duopoly. One wonders if the mainstream media, itself an organ of the same ruling class that owns the institutions of government, would even report her words if she attempted to use her ‘bully pulpit’ to mobilize the people against the class system- and I’m not at all sure that that is even an aim she would embrace. She is after all, more of a ‘classic liberal legacy’ than any kind of revolutionary, and she does not have a real party organization behind her to mobilize popular support.
If we are to be rid of the duopoly, we must rid ourselves of the ruling class. That’s not going to happen just by electing presidents. We will have to do it the old-fashioned way, as has everyone else who managed it, even temporarily.

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 9 2024 0:00 utc | 190

Posted by: Moonie | Apr 8 2024 23:51 utc | 188
If it didnt matter, why go through the trouble of assessing $100s of millions of dollars of fines on Trump? I have a relative who was a 30 year Colonel in the State Department. 1/2 a year before any prosecution of Trump was mentioned, he chortled, “We got him!” When I mentioned that there was no new war under Trump, he publicly blew a gasget and said, Trump gave everything to Putin as he seethed in rage. It was too big of an asshole move to not be driven by real emotions and consequences; I have never seen him act like that before.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Apr 9 2024 0:18 utc | 191

” It was too big of an asshole move to not be driven by real emotions and consequences; I have never seen him act like that before.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Apr 9 2024 0:18 utc | 191 ”
You have a fair point, however, it only applies to the low level operatives and the general public, thats what the “theatrics and soap operas” are for. On the levels that matter, the president is a “plastic” figurehead puppet.
Even if Trump was legitimate, hes not, at a basic level the PTB would pull the same stunts it did during his first term i.e. ignore orders, control the flow of info to Trump, stifle him with legal attacks and so forth. The next level involves ” accidents” of close associates and “close calls” for Trump. The final level involves ” wet work”. Unless Trump was willing to go full Stalin, Mao, or Saddam, there is no way out of this well designed trap.

Posted by: Moonie | Apr 9 2024 0:39 utc | 192

” 1. Netanyahoo will send the IDF in to clear Rafah sometime after Ramadan ends, maybe this week. That is certainly a part of your first prediction, more like a necessary next step.
2. Western countries including US will do nothing.
3. Iran won’t retaliate at all for the consulate bombing.
4. Israel will hit another target in Syria soon and kill more Iranian generals.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 8 2024 22:15 utc | 168 ”
More of the same is a safe bet, until it isnt.
If somebody asked me Oct 6th what Palestinians were going to do about Israel stomping on their face every day, and laughing about it, I would have replied “fire a few rockets at Israel, and then get more of their homes and families destroyed”

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 9 2024 0:58 utc | 193

Israel has been given a green light to commit atocities for 75 years via US leadership.
Israel has stepped over every line continuously for 75 years and is rewarded with more money and more weapons. There are no repercussions for Israel’s increasingly beligerant and dangerous behavior. Can imagine if parents raised their child this way? Every time the child commits an evil deed they are rewarded without any consequences. Behaviors become worse and worse over time. Ths is how Israeli has operated for generations. It is ingrained in their culture now.
Those Israelis who can live with arabs as equals can remain in the new single state after Israel collapses. Imagine this will occur in the not too distant future.
Unfortunately, expect all the Israeli fascists to move to the US where they already have significant sway over the US government. Expect they will use the US as a weapon to further their agenda as they do currently via Israel. Expect the US government will be run worse than it is currently by the neocons. Expect individual freedoms in the US to be greatly curtailed and incarceration rate to increase even further (is that possible?).
The US can no longer be permitted to manage the Middle East or anything else for that matter.

Posted by: Thurl | Apr 9 2024 1:27 utc | 194

So, in answer to your question, karlof1, Israelis need to rediscover their heritage, their common heritage with Islamists and others.
Posted by: juliania | Apr 8 2024 23:31 utc | 181
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Send them to reeducation camps—maybe in heated barracks in the oblast set aside for the Jews in Russia’s Far East.

Posted by: Jane | Apr 9 2024 1:34 utc | 195

Unfortunately, expect all the Israeli fascists to move to the US where they already have significant sway over the US government. Expect they will use the US as a weapon to further their agenda as they do currently via Israel. Expect the US government will be run worse than it is currently by the neocons. Expect individual freedoms in the US to be greatly curtailed and incarceration rate to increase even further (is that possible?).
The US can no longer be permitted to manage the Middle East or anything else for that matter.
Posted by: Thurl | Apr 9 2024 1:27 utc | 194
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This is too horribly true!
The only faint hope would be with—and maybe even fearful enough of—the Zionfanatics to go head to head with them.
A mini-civil war between sane and crazy Jews on US terrain would be interesting . . . But highly unlikely, I’m afraid.
The prospect of these crazies coming here, and playing pickleball—the newest form of Zio torture, on every beach while totally ignoring the annoyed looks cast their way by better-mannered beach goers, is truly sickening.

Posted by: Jane | Apr 9 2024 1:43 utc | 196

I am not sure they are going to Rafah. I suspect they may try to attack Southern Lebanon.
Bibi needs the US to participate. The best way to do that is to expand the war outside of Israel.
I suspect they will try to get action from Hezbollah and eventually Iran.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2024 1:50 utc | 197

Who is Pq?
Posted by: Unnamed | Apr 8 2024 17:09 utc | 117
Good question …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 8 2024 23:54 utc | 189
The Pee Que start here. Girls washrooms at concerts/events!

Posted by: Angelo | Apr 9 2024 1:58 utc | 198

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 8 2024 23:47 utc | 186
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Getting a Palestinian state is the most important thing right now. I appreciate the Zionists being Zionists and enabling the current global mood.
Allahu ‘alam.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2024 2:02 utc | 199