Russia Expects 'Unconditional Capitulation' Of Kiev Regime
During yesterday's UN Security Council meeting Vasily Nebenzya, the Permanent Representative of Russia to the United Nations, said:
"This is how it will go down in history - as an inhuman and hateful regime of terrorists and Nazis who betrayed the interest of their people and sacrificed it for Western money and for Zelenski and his closest circle.In these conditions, attempts by the head of the Kiev regime to promote his formula and convene summits in support of the Kiev regime cause only confusion.
Very soon the only topic for any international meetings on Ukraine will be the unconditional capitulation of the Kiev regime.
I advise you all to prepare for this in advance."
Posted by b on April 12, 2024 at 7:42 UTC | Permalink
next page »He didn't factor in US who will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian even if all he have is a shovel.
There is no Plan B option for Ukraine to surrender.
Posted by: Surferket | Apr 12 2024 7:48 utc | 1
There is no need for Plan B. The US will walk away from Ukraine, as they have done many times before. I think Russia is counting on it.
Posted by: James M. | Apr 12 2024 7:54 utc | 2
Posted by: Surferket | Apr 12 2024 7:48 utc | 1
The most likely scenario is the population of Ukraine will simply scatter, east and west.
IMF and Nato imposed draconian austerity, tax increases, poverty and harsh military dictatorship will guarantee it.
EU trying to import Ukrainians (most recently students) back to Ukraine could lead to a stream of Ukrainians heading to Russia instead.
After that there's little need to talk to a 'Kiev administration' or by extension, to Nato or the US.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 12 2024 8:00 utc | 4
Yes, the most reluctant draftees will become the most enthusiastic white flag wavers.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Apr 12 2024 8:10 utc | 5
in case this hasn't been posted already:
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/04/07/centuria-ukraines-western-neo-nazi-army/
Posted by: retroflecks | Apr 12 2024 8:26 utc | 6
@4 Imperator
you write 'import', presumably you mean 'deport'
Posted by: Gerrard White | Apr 12 2024 8:31 utc | 7
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 12 2024 8:00 utc | 4
You're assuming that Ukraine will remain a separate State.
More likely, what remains of Ukraine (1991 Ukraine minus Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporozhya, Kherson, Kharkov, Odessa, and Nikolaiev) will be the new Chechnya, a part of the Russian Federation governed by a group loyal to Moscow. Any other scenario means NATO gets a piece of Ukraine and that will be NATO's win.
Russia is trying to turn the tide of NATO's expansion eastward. This means re-gaining former possesions, most importantly, Ukraine.
IMF and western nations will have to write down the loses on its loans to the State formerly known as Ukraine. Frozen Russian assets would come in handily to cover some of those loses, though the legal aspect of using frozen Russian assets as collateral for loans to Ukraine will be complicated.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Apr 12 2024 8:36 utc | 8
@8 Johan Kaspar
"though the legal aspect of using frozen Russian assets as collateral for loans to Ukraine will be complicated."
It has been complicated for a long time, and no solution satisfactory to the EU needs for ready cash have yet been found
The 'collateral' work around has been abandoned, by the EUC at least
The latest scheme, a windfall EUC tax on Euroclear's profits made from the management of frozen CBR assets, has yet to be voted -
It is not at all clear that a windfall tax can be anything but a one off, and that the profits belong to owner of the assets, minus a management fee
The US has come up with a new wrinkle: to scavenge a bond issue backed by the future profits – but - these are incalculable, and liable to be interrupted by the end of war plus would get in way of any future cease fire or peace arrangements
– who would wish to guarantee these bonds ? and why would any prospective buyers believe this guarantee ?
Theft is a lot harder than you I mean they think
Posted by: Gerrard White | Apr 12 2024 8:44 utc | 9
I think what will be the end result is Stalinss additions will go to the highest bidder - Russian leadership obviously does no want those. Russia will go back to Russia, and rump Ukraine, the part the CIA shaded in grey, perhaps minus Volyn, will become like Belarus and be part of that economic Union. Chop off Galicia and Nazism will be quickly quashed. The Poles want Galicia and remember the slaughter of Poles. They will do a Gaza on it.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 9:04 utc | 10
Stalinss... that was a bad typo considering the Ukraine nazi propaganda...
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 9:07 utc | 11
Posted by: Gerrard White | Apr 12 2024 8:44 utc | 9
Thanks for your informative reply.
If the 'collateral' workaround has been discarded by the Commission, it means that the contracts didn't consider the possibility that one party may cease to exist and become part of a third party. That clause would've fun to write: "in the event that the signatory State becomes part of a third State, the third State is liable ...".
The bond trick is really stupid. I wouldn't touch those bonds with a hazmat suit on.
Those loans to Ukraine could become a bargaining chip for Russia.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Apr 12 2024 9:11 utc | 12
He didn't factor in US who will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian even if all he have is a shovel.
There is no Plan B option for Ukraine to surrender.
Posted by: Surferket | Apr 12 2024 7:48 utc | 1
Zelensky's time is up in a bit over a month. He can skeedaddle to Israel though that is now slated for destruction, Use Bojo's passport to Porton Down and exotic Putin poison, be hung from a lamp post by Ukrainians, be dispatched in whatever way the ukraine nazis see fit, or spend life behind bars in Russia.
The last Ukrainan.... how is mobilization going? Mobilization to casualty ratio? I think it was BBC perhaps another western MSM that done a program where Ukraine villages were devoid of men, either gone to the front never to return or in hiding. US has run out of Ukrainians.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 9:17 utc | 13
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Apr 12 2024 8:36 utc | 8
It's possible that Nato will keep Ukraine as a paper entity. All the debts to the west will be piled upon this paper entity. There's a decent chance that the paper entity may also include Lwow and Ivano-Frankivsk and Russia won't want to touch them.
The logical chain would then be: some people from eastern Ukraine move (or are transferred by the regime) to western Ukraine parts. Some part of the western Ukraine then becomes the Nato paper entity. Nato/IMF sets a military dictatorship, draconian austerity measures and tax increases in this 'rump' Ukraine. These measures make the rump Ukraine uninhabitable.
Everyone who can get out of rump Ukraine will do so.
The reasoning with rump Ukraine is the west does not have to admit that its $300 billion (or more with derivatives and future profits already sold off) losses in Ukraine, and can keep up the pretention that 'Ukraine' will pay for them. That will make the rump Ukraine de-facto uninhabitable to anyone who is not on the receiving end of bribes. Kind of like the oligarchs in Russia in the 1990s.
So whatever is left of Ukraine, might re-enter the 1990s 'liberal and freedom era' Ukraine and Russia went through.
The alternative is division of western parts of Ukraine between Hungary, Slovakia and Poland.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 12 2024 9:23 utc | 14
Zelensky's time is up in a bit over a month. He can skeedaddle to Israel though that is now slated for destruction, Use Bojo's passport to Porton Down and exotic Putin poison, be hung from a lamp post by Ukrainians, be dispatched in whatever way the ukraine nazis see fit, or spend life behind bars in Russia.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 9:17 utc | 13
Would Israel even want him? I think Z's father was Jewish, but not his mother. Which would mean that Z himself isn't Jewish.
Come to think of it, does anybody know where Z's family is currently hiding?
Posted by: Martina | Apr 12 2024 9:30 utc | 15
Would Israel even want him?
Posted by: Martina | Apr 12 2024 9:30 utc | 16
They are not fussy. Azov went to Masada and 'identified' with the zionists.
I think I read that Ze has an Israeli passport. That's like a hide out were all jewish mafia and crims can go for sanctuary. Having an Israeli passport is like a get out of jail for free card.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 9:41 utc | 16
Zelensky has done rather well out of the Uke war. He has at least 15 houses (as of 2022!) and probably a billion in assets. So I reckon that he will have more places to "be retired to" than we realise. (Except the one in Crimea). Miami beach with a facechange? He could probably even change sex with a bit of help from a friendly knife.
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The Russian assets that all those impoverished Americans would like to get their hands on, are mainly held in the EU. So for the US to state that this or that can be done, will not affect Wall Street but the EU and UK. With friends like that.......
Z's family is currently hiding?
Posted by: Martina | Apr 12 2024 9:30 utc | 16
His missus likes being on the cover of vogue and that sort or thing. She will most likely desert the sinking ship. Perhaps no different to Navalny's wife. Once he was toast she quickly got anther boyfriend. Didn't bother to go see him in jail for the last couple of years. Didn't go to his funeral.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 9:48 utc | 18
If that happens and the Poles occupy Western Ukraine, would Russia fight the Poles to expel them from there?
Under Polish occupation, surely Western Ukraine will be used as a base to recruit and train Ukro-Nazi-ISIS terrorists to carry out sabotage and terror in Russia.
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 12 2024 9:50 utc | 19
Anonymous | Apr 12 2024 9:50 utc | 20
Anyone could mistakenly believe you and vargas operated out of the same troll factory. But I assume all factories are issued the same talking points.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 9:55 utc | 20
Frozen Russian assets would come in handily to cover some of those loses, though the legal aspect of using frozen Russian assets as collateral for loans to Ukraine will be complicated
There is no complicated legal aspect. The US has been providing aid to Israel illegally for decades (Israel has illegal nukes which under US law means Israel can't receive any aid, but the US pretends to not know about Israel's nukes lol), the UK and Germany are illegally supplying weapons to Israel despite it being guilty of genocide.
Nobody actually cares about domestic or international laws. It's just kayfabe.
Their only concern are the possible side effects of stealing the Russian assets, not the legality of doing so.
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 12 2024 10:01 utc | 21
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 12 2024 9:50 utc | 20
Actually, Russia would prefer western Ukraine to get carved up by Poland, Hungary and Slovakia, because it would ensure Nato can no longer make plausible deniability attacks. That will put an end to SMO and war. The west will implode on its own due to economic factors already taking place.
If western Ukraine doesn't get carved up, it means SMO / war will continue.
As the AFU is pushed out of eastern and central parts, Russia will have more ISR assets pointed on the increasingly shrinking parts controlled by Nato western Ukraine and blow up Nato training camps and facilities with higher intensity. More weapons and satellites pointed at smaller areas (higher density).
Since Nato can't use Polish air bases to attack Russia, they are limited to the remaining few bases in western Ukraine, which are easier to keep an eye on. That will make the costs for Nato continuing to war from within Ukraine go up way more.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 12 2024 10:02 utc | 22
> Would Israel even want him?
As the puppet in charge of over half a million dead Ukrainians, the Zionists would practically worship him. Theirs is truly a cult of death, and the obvious caretakers of the 4th Reich.
Posted by: Jamon Ahn | Apr 12 2024 10:13 utc | 23
My advice to all Europeans - the USA will drop you like a hot potato the moment RF flag flies over Kiev.
IMHO, what y’all need to do is to be ready to pack up most, if not all, of your current politicos and media types, and send them to Moscow for War Crimes Tribunal. Top of the list: Ursula, Josep, AnnaLena, Micron, Habek, Fiala, Pavel, Rutte, BoJo, Ugly Lizzie, Rishi, Sikorski & his Jewess wife Applebaum. Accept Putin, Love Russia. Your future is in the East, not across the Atlantic.
Oh, 1 more thing - get the College of Cardinals and that Jesuit Bergoglio to sign a Papal Encyclical on Autocephaly in the Latin Rite Church. Recognize Metropolitan of Moscow as Primus Inter Pares. Clean out the Pedos & Homos. Married Clergy a requirement , meaning 1 Man + 1 Woman = Children.
As for us here in America, we will find our own way. When that happens, don’t be surprised if that results in the extinction of the Khazars & their acolytes and minions.
Posted by: OldFart | Apr 12 2024 10:13 utc | 24
Urrrrraaaa!
I like how Nebenzya and his UN cohort talk. No bullshit. Straight between the eyes shooting.
Before Demilitarisation and Denazification there was the angry assessment that launched the long provoked SMO by VVP.
‘If they really want Decommunisation - they will have it’
It’s been a couple of years of trying to show that Soviet infrastructure will be dismantled if they insist on the folly. The cheap resources will disappear not only as direct supply by the RF but as cheap energy intensive extraction and manufacturing relying on the Communist built infrastructure.
So that’s where it’s at - your communist energy plants are gone, your communist steel plant is gone, your cheap manufacturing reliant on both is gone, your free rails, roads and bridges built under Soviet Communists is about to go.
This is what real ‘bombing back to the Stone Age’ really looks like. Closely to be followed by the idiotic Warsaw pact Eastern Europeans, when they suddenly realise that they too are weighed down with the Ukrainazis decommunisation.
Unconditional Surrender? They should be throwing themselves at the mercy of the RF even if not asked!
As for the dumb as fuck banderists children they will shortly find that the fabled west and eu/usa are not lands of plenty and endless hedonism as they have always been promised by teevee. As they suddenly discover zero hour jobs and working non stop to pay the rent and bills with hardly anything left over for luxuries. Fools Gold.
What’s left for them? A few million driving across Europe as refugees escaping the RF salvation to that purgatory in Borrell’s Garden as the much needed labourers on chicken and agro farms, food and meat processing, Amazon warehouses and delivery drivers, waiters, cooks and arse wipers, and worse - prostitutes, drug dealers and thieves .
At best as baby incubators for the collapsing western population for another generation. Their farm lands dispossessed by their dead minced conscripted farmers and supposedly owned by western hedge funds and agro chemical GMO industrial complex … except the bits that will be under RF sovereignty!
Lol no wonder the Finks are shitting themselves and running to Xi to intervene on their behalf whilst still hoping to control the Chinas industrial output. Straw by straw they load their backs daily. Creek, Creek … SNAP.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 12 2024 10:15 utc | 25
There is no complicated legal aspect. The US has been providing aid to Israel illegally for decades (Israel has illegal nukes which under US law means Israel can't receive any aid, but the US pretends to not know about Israel's nukes lol)
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 12 2024 10:01 utc | 22
How are Israel’s nuclear weapons “illegal”? Israel never acceded to the NPT. Also, they’ve never declared themselves as a nuclear power, so they sit in a gray area.
Posted by: James M. | Apr 12 2024 10:21 utc | 26
De-Dollarization brings peace.
Until the War Party can no longer finance wars using cheap low interest debt; barflies can expect more warfare,more senseless slaughter, more attempted color revolutions, more destabilizing , and of course more terrorist events.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 12 2024 10:23 utc | 27
the only topic for any international meetings on Ukraine will be the unconditional capitulation of the Kiev regime.
Posted by b on April 12, 2024 at 7:42 UTC | Permalink
Russia is being very generous in chastizing the dog that bit, but not the owner of the dog. I am not certain how long their generosity will last.
Posted by: Passerby | Apr 12 2024 10:25 utc | 28
Yawn...talk is cheap. Big deal. Both sides swinging their Johnsons around in words. What matters is on the ground...and on the ground, team stalemate is winning. Both sides will compromise and the country will be partitioned at/near the line of contact. Just like South Korea.
Talk, talk, talk. Bla, bla, bla. Show it on the ground. And not the "muh attrition" cope that nobody can verify. But moving forward like in WW2.
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 12 2024 10:29 utc | 29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvlO60JuWxI
DPA latest frontline changes. Minimal changes. Few fields RFA taken. Couple Ukrops taken (unclear if counter attack or just correction of Russian Telegrammer false claims). More RFA than Ukrop wins, but still very tiny.
Oh...and Berdichi still being contested (gain in nearby forests, but west side of village STILL not fallen...sorry, Weebles Wobble).
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 12 2024 10:32 utc | 30
"As for the dumb as fuck banderists children they will shortly find that the fabled west and eu/usa are not lands of plenty and endless hedonism as they have always been promised by teevee. As they suddenly discover zero hour jobs and working non stop to pay the rent and bills with hardly anything left over for luxuries. Fools Gold.
What’s left for them? A few million driving across Europe as refugees escaping the RF salvation to that purgatory in Borrell’s Garden as the much needed labourers on chicken and agro farms, food and meat processing, Amazon warehouses and delivery drivers, waiters, cooks and arse wipers, and worse - prostitutes, drug dealers and thieves .
At best as baby incubators for the collapsing western population for another generation. Their farm lands dispossessed by their dead minced conscripted farmers and supposedly owned by western hedge funds and agro chemical GMO industrial complex … except the bits that will be under RF sovereignty!
Lol no wonder the Finks are shitting themselves and running to Xi to intervene on their behalf whilst still hoping to control the Chinas industrial output. Straw by straw they load their backs daily. Creek, Creek … SNAP."
Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 12 2024 10:15 utc | 26
Stupendous prose-thanks.
All the chickens here are cackling, louder than those in the barn where the fox eyes lunch. One would almost think their lives were in danger...
Posted by: JGarbo | Apr 12 2024 10:47 utc | 32
Talk, talk, talk. Bla, bla, bla. Show it on the ground. And not the "muh attrition" cope that nobody can verify. But moving forward like in WW2.
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 12 2024 10:29 utc | 30
But much of WW2 was attritional. Month upon month upon month of grind, punctuated by occasional sudden collapses or breakthroughs or set-piece spectaculars.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 12 2024 10:49 utc | 33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjY1w4yOgG4
Willy's latest. Map discussion is last 5 minutes. Small changes in grey zone (Ukrop loss). Not much really. RFA still hasn't completed conquest of Berdichi (or Robotyne). Sorry, Weeb.
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 12 2024 10:56 utc | 34
I do not see why they call them Nazis when those behind the war are all Zionists.
Posted by: Irregular | Apr 12 2024 11:03 utc | 35
Now you know why Macron was so keen to deploy French troops to Ukraine - they can hand out the white flags!
Posted by: MisterP | Apr 12 2024 11:09 utc | 36
I do not see why they call them Nazis when those behind the war are all Zionists.Posted by: Irregular | Apr 12 2024 11:03 utc | 35
Is there a difference that makes a difference...?
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Apr 12 2024 11:12 utc | 37
This illustrates one of the things I like about Putin's Russia. Unlike the Yankees, if there's not much to say, the Russians don't say much.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 12 2024 11:14 utc | 38
Ukraine desperately needs more soldiers. War amputees are returning to the frontline
... Ukrainian commander Odin’s lower leg was blown off in a mine explosion last year. He’s now back in the trenches ...... Mango, a 28-year-old tank gunner, saw his hand shredded by shrapnel two years ago during fighting in Mariupol before he was captured by the Russians ...
... Ukraine’s drained and depleted army needs all the help it can get. It is being driven back by its far larger, more powerful enemy around the eastern city of Avdiivka while coming under increasing pressure at other sections of the front ...
... “Even though I can’t sit inside a tank, I can still be useful. I can still fight a bit.” ...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-amputees-war-injured-russia-b2527576.html
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Apr 12 2024 11:27 utc | 39
Ukrainian parliament passes bill broadening civilian mobilisation to boost fledgling military manpower
Ukraine’s parliament passed a controversial bill on Thursday that will change the rules on civilian military mobilisation in an effort to address fledgling manpower among its forces.The legislation, which must be signed by president Volodymyr Zelenskiy before it becomes law, is seen as crucial for Ukraine to address what military analysts say are major manpower problems as it fights a better armed and larger foe.
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The news comes as domestic fatigue against the long-running war has set in after a failed summer assault and the country’s forces being outnumbered and outgunned by Russia. Last week, Zelenskiy signed a bill to lower the minimum conscription age from 27 to 25.
Zelenskiy has signed a seperate bill requiring men who were given military waivers on disability grounds to undergo another medical assessment, another measure that could help the military draft more fighters.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/11/russia-ukraine-war-live-russian-strike-in-north-eastern-kharkiv-region-kills-three-people
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Apr 12 2024 11:38 utc | 40
I remain absolutely stunned by the level of western wishful thinking.
Posted by: Winston, journalist | Apr 12 2024 11:47 utc | 41
"The first units of the French foreign legion were transferred to Slavyansk. According to preliminary data, the first batch of the "foreign legion" consists of 100 people, who are specialists in artillery reconnaissance, as well as an engineering group. The French military move around the city only accompanied by fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. " ( topcor.ru/46356-pervye-francuzskie-soldaty-pribyli-v-slavjansk.html )
Posted by: rk | Apr 12 2024 11:49 utc | 43
We in the heartland of the heartless imperial West have a lot to learn from the Russians. The core issue is how to handle our fascist tendencies, starting on a personal level-- me too-- and working out from there. Every human has a bit of predator in them. Every family, every tribe, every community struggles with the individual and then collective urge to dominate: white people, red people, black, yellow and even rainbow. (Comanches did some bad shit to the Apaches.) US Civil War continues because we as a so called nation didn't really dig deep enough into our communities and personal behavior to learn how to live and let live. Apartheid is still real in America-- overt in Mississippi and covert in the north. It seems to me that Russians didn't do apartheid like we did/do. They could teach us something about that. Look at Chechnia. Kadiirov was like Robert E. Lee but instead of retiring to his plantation while the rebel peons stewed in hatred Kadiirov realized the Russians wanted to get along and decided to buy into their belief system as a Muslim Russian.
bottom line, I think Ukraine has the chance to follow the Chechen path. Baltic chihuahuas have some soul searching to do. Finland too. Hungary and Slovakia are leaning east. Maybe lots of Moldovans too. BRICS will become a thing in that neighborhood before long.
Posted by: migueljose | Apr 12 2024 11:54 utc | 44
The costs of a NATO-membership for the Finnish people:
In an interview with Iltalehti on Saturday, Finance Minister Riikka Purra (Finns) said it will eventually become necessary to raise the retirement age.A recent analysis by the Finnish Business and Policy Forum (EVA) suggested that the pension age be delayed by two years.
Cutting pensions was also 'very possible', according to Purra.(...)
Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 12 2024 11:55 utc | 45
"I do not see why they call them Nazis when those behind the war are all Zionists."
Posted by: Irregular | Apr 12 2024 11:03 utc | 35
How about: "Zionists using Nazi tactics"
He didn't factor in US who will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian even if all he have is a shovel.
There is no Plan B option for Ukraine to surrender.
Posted by: Surferket | Apr 12 2024 7:48 utc | 1
There is no need for Plan B. The US will walk away from Ukraine, as they have done many times before. I think Russia is counting on it.
Posted by: James M. | Apr 12 2024 7:54 utc | 2
The U.S. walk away from its putative allies? When has that ever happened?
'Wait, Mr. GI Joe, come back!' Vietnam
'Uncle Sam, where are you going? You said you'd help us against Saddam?' The Kurds
'Hey, Mr. American, the place is completely trashed because of you. You're just gonna up and suddenly leave?' Afghanistan
'Amerikansky Joe, you said you'd be here as long as it takes. Right? RIGHT?' THE Ukraine
Reminds me of that quote I read the other day from the Ukrainian soldier who said, 'You don't go to war with the Americans. You go on safari. That's all they're good for.'
Posted by: Zippy the Pinhead | Apr 12 2024 11:59 utc | 47
"I do not see why they call them Nazis when those behind the war are all Zionists."
Posted by: Irregular | Apr 12 2024 11:03 utc | 35
"Is there a difference that makes a difference...?
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Apr 12 2024 11:12 utc | 37
I think you meant: "A distinction without a difference"
Amputees going back to fighting while large numbers of Ukrainians, including the children of elites, avoid military service is a clear sign of stress and strains from the war. In WW2 Luftwaffe aircrew, especially fighter pilots, were often back in the air after some quite severe wounds - they just could not be spared. It partly explains the high scores of Luftwaffe aces but they never trained up enough replacements and were on the losing end of a war of attrition.
Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 12 2024 12:01 utc | 49
Actually, Russia would prefer western Ukraine to get carved up by Poland, Hungary and Slovakia, because it would ensure Nato can no longer make plausible deniability attacks.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 12 2024 10:02 utc | 22
I would think that Putin would be happy if the whole idea of "Ukraine" disappears. The Russians will take everything to the Dnieper as well as the parts of Novorossiya west of the Dnieper and maybe Kiev. The rest can go to the wolves. Ukraine will become a footnote in the history of the USSR.
This would in fact work in Putins favour. It creates disunity and conflict among NATO's Eastern European partners. Whatever genius in the state department that though stirring up shit in Eastern Europe could be contained to just "Ukraine vs Russia" is an idiot. These people have been fighting over this land for millenia and every village in the region has at least three names depending on who is occupying it at any given moment.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 12 2024 12:02 utc | 50
"Every family, every tribe, every community struggles with the individual and then collective urge to dominate: white people, red people, black, yellow and even rainbow...Comanches did some bad shit to the Apaches....."
Posted by: migueljose | Apr 12 2024 11:54 utc | 44
Right on-good post-however, many Leftist here don't believe North American Indigenous people did anything 'bad'.
There it is, cards on the table. I love the direct, no bullshit statement. Minces no words Unconditional surrender is Ukraine's only option. The sooner the better as lives will be saved. But they won't do that as they are being prodded to fight to the last Ukrainian by the west (US). Don't care what Anonymous says, attritional warfare works. Per the Russian MOD reports, Ukraine is losing between 700- 1000 dead and wounded EVERY day. While Russia is losing far far less. How long can these losses be endured? The FAB has been a real game changer. You can no longer hide in trenches, buildings or bunkers. They are the reason avdeevka collapse so quickly. I don't blame the Ukrainians for bolting out of there. What would you do if you saw buildings being collapsed all around you? Chasov Yar (?) is next. The Ukies have no answer for the FABs. The writing is on the wall. I expect there will be more infrastructure strikes in the near future, jmho.
Posted by: ctiger | Apr 12 2024 12:06 utc | 52
how is mobilization going?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2024 9:17 utc | 13
Ukros love mobilization, no problem. The new law, which now only has to be signed by Zeli as a last required step, will provide access to people with one leg or one arm, as well as refugees who will be required to return. If losing accounts and property has no effect, EU can easily send back +50k per year by force.
The f16s will arrive first in Starokonstantinov, which was hit on Apr 11, but I doubt it'll cause more than a short delay if it's not hit again.
Absolutely hilarious is that Figaro wrote that Russia is running out of soldiers but Putin can't mobilize more because he's afraid of public reaction. They also write the Ukr counter-offensive will come in 2025 and that mobilization of 18yo Ukros is coming next
Posted by: rk | Apr 12 2024 12:09 utc | 53
In the shining era of "post-truth", the Collective Waste does not "capitulate", it "post-negotiate"...
Posted by: Asian Frog | Apr 12 2024 12:39 utc | 54
To denazify Ukraine, there is still work in depth, on the spot and elsewhere
Meet Centuria, Ukraine’s Western-trained neo-Nazi army :
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/04/07/centuria-ukraines-western-neo-nazi-army/
Posted by: MOSHI | Apr 12 2024 12:46 utc | 55
https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/4697
(Forwarded from Suriyakmaps)The bombardment of Chasov Yar already considerably exceeds that of Bakhmut.
Guided bombs have revolutionised the dynamics of the front. Relatively inexpensive bombs which do not require great precision but which allow considerable damage to be done in the area around the impact.
This type of weapon has been elemental in destroying the Avdivka defences and remains so for the trench system encountered by the advancing Russian forces. A situation somewhat reminiscent of the Syrian civil war when the air force made use of barrel bombs due to a lack of ammunition. These low-cost bombs were instrumental in destroying rebel positions and paving the way for offensives.
We should not expect a collapse of Ukrainian defences with these guided bombs, but we will see how they will accelerate the advance because of their destructive power (but delivered systematically and not through a general bombing campaign), i.e. locations that in the past were unable to be taken by the Russians are now being taken by Russian Army.
https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/4695
(Ukrainian post)Novopavlovsk direction. Krasnohorivka
The enemy carries out airstrikes on the Krasnogorsk Refractory Plant almost every day. Arrivals of the FAB-1500 (you can't confuse them with anything) or something more serious. Strikes are delivered simultaneously with artillery strikes.
Such purposeful "work" on a single fortified complex of buildings proves only one thing - the enemy destroys the only place, according to his version, which can serve as a hub for the city's defense, before his "general" assault.
https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/4693
(Ukrainian post)❗️ The situation is already critical: what awaits Ukraine without TPPs? Let's find out:
▪️ Less than 20% of thermal generation is left than was available until 22 March 2024. Outages can be avoided due to emergency blackouts in Kharkiv and Kryvyi Rih; imports from the European power grid; and the lower peak of consumption (when it starts to rise due to the heat, there may be problems);
▪️ Russia is trying to disable TPPs and hydroelectric power plants, which are manoeuvrable. Their role is to quickly increase energy production in the morning and evening, when consumption is growing rapidly;
▪️ In case of complete destruction of thermal power plants, only basic generation, i.e. nuclear power plants, will be available in Ukraine. As well as solar and wind power plants. The rest of the consumption will be covered by imports and emergency supplies;
▪️ The loss of TPPs guarantees blackouts for millions of consumers across the country at least in winter and in July-August. There is a risk for other periods as well;
▪️ As a result of the war, there will be no coal generation in Ukraine, - the head of the Energy Research Centre;
▪️ To destroy our entire thermal generation, Russia would need 2 to 10 shelling attacks like the last three.
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 12 2024 12:50 utc | 56
One blogger this, another blogger that... The main source of western propaganda on the war, that all the msm references, says...
"Russian forces recently advanced near Avdiivka amid continued positional engagements in the area on April 2. Geolocated footage published on March 31 indicates that Russian forces advanced west of Berdychi (northwest of Avdiivka).[53]"
[53] https://t.me/Khortytsky_wind/14; https://t.me/creamy_caprice/4962
https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-2-2024
Note this report was from April second and the video "East direction: work of BM-21 "Grad" on enemy positions in the area of the southern outskirts of the BERDYCHI" days earlier.
If the Russians aren't there, then why is Ukraine putting out a video of attacking them there?
The ISW which is very pro Ukraine has not changed their assessment that Russia controls west Berdychi since this report.
Posted by: Rhymerez | Apr 12 2024 13:12 utc | 57
Until the War Party can no longer finance wars using cheap low interest debt; barflies can expect more warfare,more senseless slaughter, more attempted color revolutions, more destabilizing , and of course more terrorist events.
Yes and that is why it is such a big deal that China announced a blockchain based payment system for settling cross-border trade. As I posted on yesterday's open thread. China and Singapore settled a gasoline trade using blockchain. No dollars, yuan, or quatloo were used.
This may be related to Yellen's trip to berate China. She knows the game is over, and all that's left to do is start a trade war to try and hurt China in retaliation. A US Senator just came out and said that the US should ban all Chinese EVs.
And gold is skyrocketing this AM. Add it up - the dollar's days are numbered.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 12 2024 13:19 utc | 58
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 12 2024 10:29 utc | 29
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What do you mean no one can verify the attrition?
The Ukrainian politicians and field commanders saying that their shortage is not weapons, that their shortage is men.
Then there are the funerals that have run out of burial plots.
Then there are the non-Russian sources for the massive manpower losses by the Ukrainian side.
I see you're pushing the debunked and ridiculous "territory" as a measure of success in the SMO which was never about taking territory. And yet has carved significant chunks of the best Ukrainian land off and added it to the Russian Federation.
The real cope here is the arguments against recognizing Russia's creeping and persistent success.
The average Western mind is truly stunted and cannot recognize forms of warfare from outside of Hollywood productions.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 12 2024 13:25 utc | 59
"... many Leftist here don't believe North American Indigenous people did anything 'bad'..."
What sensible people who have studied the matter generally conclude is that the arrival in Canada of european colonists exacerbated any frictions that existed between the various peoples.
This happened, firstly because europeans employed the natives in the fur trade, armed them and urged them to monopolise the supply, by eradicating the opposition. Another factor was the chaos that inexplicable epidemics, wiping out large numbers of indigenous people, had on the communities suffering.
Finally the ancient imperialist excuse for invasion- that they were anxious to put an end to internecine quarrels- was transparently false.
All people do 'bad' things but so long as they do them amongst themselves the evil is manageable, it is when, as was the case with the Mohawk in the 1660s, colonists use clients as proxies, encouraging them- having armed them to the teeth- to kill and kidnap others that it becomes clear that the real problem is not human nature and an underlying desire to dominate but imperialist intervention, a form of capitalist expansion.
In southern Ontario the various Iroquoians- Wendat, Haudonasaunee, Neutrals, Petun- and the Anishnabe, Algonkian people had worked out a modus vivendi which the irruption of French, Dutch and English colonists, traders and priests broke up.
It was then that 'bad things' overwhelmed them.
In my experience this is not a 'left-right' thing, many very conservative people understand the grievances of the First Nation traditionalists, whose lives were shattered and their cultures broken by the arrival of the colonists and their dominance. On the other hand many 'progressives' regard the establishment of private property and capitalism as an advance over the previous tribal societies.
As is often the case the differences arise between those who know what they are talking about and the ignorant, mindlessly repeating the prejudices in which they have been marinated.
Posted by: bevin | Apr 12 2024 13:26 utc | 60
[Posted by: Rhymerez | Apr 12 2024 13:12 utc | 56]
1. Heck some of the cheerleaders on this side were claiming Berdichi in late FEB!
2. They don't control the whole village. You need to get out of your confirmation bias and actually read the details. Fighting in an area implies you don't CONTROL it. You are fighting over it.
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 12 2024 13:39 utc | 61
"What sensible people who have studied the matter generally conclude is that the arrival in Canada of European colonists exacerbated any frictions that existed between the various peoples."
Posted by: bevin | Apr 12 2024 13:26 utc | 59
Really?
You are incorrect.
The biggest Indigenous massacre that we know about happened in 1487 when Aztecs sacrificed over 84,000 Indigenous hostages in 4 days, years before Western countries had landed on America's shores and is verey well documented (1) (2). As a matter of fact some Aztecs killed Conquistadors and ate them. (3)
"When the Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés and his men arrived in the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlán in 1521, they described witnessing a grisly ceremony. Aztec priests, using razor-sharp obsidian blades, sliced open the chests of sacrificial victims and offered their still-beating hearts to the gods. They then tossed the victims’ lifeless bodies down the steps of the towering Templo Mayor." (4)
1. https://intellectualtakeout.org/2015/10/84000-slaughtered-in-four-days/
2.https://www.historyonthenet.com/aztec-culture-how-many-were-killed-as-human-sacrifices
3.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/10/conquistadors-sacrificed-eaten-aztec-acolhuas
4. https://www.history.com/news/aztec-human-sacrifice-religion
The f16s will arrive first in Starokonstantinov
"Waiting for Godot".
F16's will never be a factor, which is why nobody's ever really worried about hurrying them to Ukraine.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Apr 12 2024 13:41 utc | 63
Good catch, b.
The contrast in the UN piece between most voices at the meeting and the lone blunt Russian one is still stark. No meeting of minds - AT ALL - yet. As exemplified in this article featuring correspondence between two old journalist friends on opposite sides of the Russia debate (probably linked by someone else here earlier):
Well, no point in debating this further, because the matter is being decided on the battlefield, and Russia is winning; Ukraine is on its last legs. Ukrainians don't want to fight any more, especially not for Zelensky's corrupt, repressive regime. Do you know what's really happening inside Ukraine? I gather you don't; but I do, and it's a brutal, lawless, repressive regime. Again, after I left Russia, I worked with Ukraine extensively, including with the diaspora here in the USA. These are very sick and scary people. These are people who openly say that Hitler was a good guy because he fought the Russians. Are you fine with that?The irony is that in January 2022, Russia was weak, but now we have a truly angry and increasingly powerful Bear. The Pentagon and CIA are in a panic. They never realized that Russia had all this hidden industrial might and natural resources to quickly rebuild its military capabilities. Imagine that! You see, they had been fed disinformation that "Russia is a giant with feet of clay" and "Upper Volta with rockets", etc... well, this is what happens when our intelligence agencies believe their own disinformation and propaganda, and are staffed by bumbling incompetents who only care about career advancement and tell the higher-ups what they want to hear; not what the facts are.
After Putin is done with Ukraine, there's not much stopping him from reaching the English Channel -- he can go around the Poles, as the Hungarians and Slovaks will open the door; and the Czechs, Germans, Italians and French won't want to fight and will surrender very quickly... Meanwhile, the 25 million Muslim residents of Europe will welcome the Russians with open arms and join the fight against the modern-day western crusaders...
So do think about your future. Your knowledge of Russian will prove useful; maybe you can get a position as deputy governor for culture and sport of the future Genevskaya Oblast? Please don't see this as mischievous thoughts.... In 1812, not a single Frenchman could imagine that by 1814 the Russians would occupy Paris. And in 1941, not a single German could imagine that just 4 years later the Soviets would occupy Berlin.
We certainly live in fascinating times!
best wishes
John
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2024/04/07/john-varoli-our-warped-reality-losing-friends-to-disinformation/
He may be playfully exaggerating what Russia might do in order to penetrate his friend's thick skull (the correspondence is well worth reading and not all that long), but he makes a valid point nonetheless: if the West keeps refusing to come to the table, then perhaps Russia really will keep marching, even if that means going all the way to London and Lisbon. So that they can regain their senses and become the West again; which Russia will end up being a part of as she always has been; and then the West can join Eurasia as she so clearly should already be doing (-and Asian-European fusion cuisine will conquer the world finally to the delight and benefit of all!).
He makes a nasty good point about the Muslims; they are now a very large bloc within UK, France and Germany at least... not sure about their cuisine though....
Ukraine’s population will stand at 25 mln after the conflict is over. Ukraine’s birth rate was currently at an all-time low. Ukraine’s population had been naturally declining for a while. With the death rate exceeding the birth rate, the country’s population kept decreasing 200,000 to 240,000 a year. According to Kiev-based economist Alexey Kushch, "The demographic crisis is a national disaster. <...> If we lose our demographic backbone, in the next ten to 15 years, the country will grow too weak to defend itself and effectively develop,". Many politicians and experts have been talking about the demographic crisis in Ukraine for quite some time. Timofey Brik, rector of the Kiev School of Economics, said earlier, as cited by the British newspaper The Times, that Ukraine’s population had recently fallen from 36 mln to 25 mln. Ukrainian analysts are already pointing to labor shortages in various industries. Of these 25 million, 3 million are children, 10 million are elderly.
Posted by: AI | Apr 12 2024 13:43 utc | 65
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 12 2024 13:39 utc | 60
Russia is winning, you’ll just have to get used to it!
In other news, the contents of my safe are shining extra brightly this morning...
Wonder what the current value of Russia’s gold and silver reserves is?
Attrition can take place away from the battlefield as well.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 12 2024 13:48 utc | 66
Very soon the only topic for any international meetings on Ukraine will be the unconditional capitulation of the Kiev regime.
I advise you all to prepare for this in advance."
Posted by b on April 12, 2024 at 7:42 UTC | Permalink
This is what I've been saying since the beginning of the SMO. This Russia's only strategic option, and the strategic situation requires that Russia control all of Ukraine. I consider it a possibility that the Russians would cede Galicia to Poland in exchange for certain guarantees- and the more utter the collapse of Ukraine, the more stringent these will be. If Poland annexes Galicia, they become responsible for the Nazis there, and attack across the border mean the destruction of Poland. The Polish people do not love Nazis or Banderites or, generally speaking Jews, so some kind of viable understanding is possible, if the popular will of the Polish people can be manifested by a change in government.
I think this is possible because even before the SMO, Poland was at odds with the EU over national interests and sovereignty. Now that they see 'EU values' clearly, I expect this division to expand when the shooting stops.
Hungary- perhaps a similar arrangement, but because Hungary has been substantially less hostile to Russia, it may be hard to negotiate an agreement that would withstand the next color revolution there. Romania, obviously, gets nothing.
The basic post-war situation will be a new cold war, because that's what the US PTB requires for their reindustrialization schemes. Ideally, it will be just warm enough to keep Europeons scared and confused, but far enough from the brink of open combat that panic-driven MIC boondoggles don't absorb all the resources of the reindustrialization process. Too much of that leads toward internal conflict and devolution of the political system, which is an event horizon beyond which the PTB cannot see.
In this environment, Russia's strategic position is much like Stalin's at the end of WWII. It is in RF's long term interest to have as direct as possible control over its immediate neighbors. How that will be achieved remains to be seen, but since it's a basic principle of western democracy that governments do not represent the interests of their populations, a great deal of internal conflict is likely in the Baltic states and Finland when the west abandons Ukraine.
Posted by: Honzo | Apr 12 2024 13:56 utc | 67
This futuristic discussion allows zero agency to the Ukrainians themselves. The joys of conquest and the licking of the lips. . .
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Apr 12 2024 13:56 utc | 68
It seems to me Zelensky has no options, he’s doomed in this life to some sort of gruesome demise. He has to be incredibly dense not to see it coming, like several years back now. I suppose we’re all blindsided somehow, he too and his greed at the expense of his people and country is a common sort of human arrogance.
Posted by: Geoff | Apr 12 2024 13:57 utc | 69
On the nation state level - which is not the only at play of course - looks like:
The US Empire is trying to keep the Europeans out of Russia's New Eurasia whilst driving a wedge between Russia and China. (How the Ukraine war was supposed to effect the latter is a bit of a mystery, especially since that talking point is most probably a lie).
Meanwhile, Russia et alia are trying to push the US out of Europe and let them join Eurasia if/when they regain their own sovereignty. Once NATO and the US have been ejected then the whole Eurasian Civilization thing could fall into place quite nicely.
I find neither scenario real-world convincing. But sooner or later we will get to see how it all plays out.
And hopefully we don't all end up in world wide totalitarian 1984 deja vu all over again which is looking increasingly likely given the digital-biometric world dawning in all jurisdictions despite their seeming territorial and other disputes.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 12 2024 13:48 utc | 65
The small head of that Anonymous Person accommodates the village of Berdych. It's more convenient for Trolls.
Posted by: Виктор | Apr 12 2024 14:01 utc | 71
F16's will never be a factor, which is why nobody's ever really worried about hurrying them to Ukraine.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Apr 12 2024 13:41 utc | 62
For smo? No, not at these numbers. They're probably meant for terrorism like most of the other weapons sent. And for that will be more or less "useful", depending on which weapons they use.
Duda is also training in Ukr, not only Macaron ( sputnikglobe.com/20240412/poland-sending-troops-ahead-of-deployment-in-ukraine---zaporozhye-region-official-1117888558.html ).
Posted by: rk | Apr 12 2024 14:05 utc | 72
I will quote myself in March 2022 just after BoJo derailed the Istanbul peace process :
"Those who are making impossible a conditional surrender are also making an unconditional surrender unavoidable".
And here we are.
I also make another prediction back then ; "404 is born from an unconditional surrender following a revolution caused by a lost war, it will die from an unconditional surrender following a revolution caused by a lost war."
We're soon there.
The number of people having an interest in keeping Hellensky alive is dwindling from both side of the frontline... So first : he's killed , then the revolution , then a peace plan and an unconditional surrender. The whole thing finished before September.
Posted by: Savonarole | Apr 12 2024 14:05 utc | 73
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Apr 12 2024 13:56 utc | 67
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People on the losing end of multi-year large conflicts rarely have agency.
In antiquity, it was, "Do we take all of your women or just the young ones?".
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 12 2024 14:13 utc | 74
Trying to get salacious thrills from this statement is barbaric and sadistic.
Posted by: Inka | Apr 12 2024 14:18 utc | 75
Big words by themselves will not change minds: the capitulation will not come just because Amb. Nebenzya says so. It'd only work when backed up by a tremendous show of force, a "This is what we do to the enemies of Russia. Anyone want to be next?" It's been over two years, and I'm still not sold that this whole "SMO" truly was such a great idea. The concept seems to be to use force to bring the other side to the negotiating table; but if that's what you hoped for, then you fundamentally misunderstood the nature of the Kiev regime.
In the end, to break the junta, it seems you still need to switch off the power, you still need to take/threaten Kiev--because that's the only thing that directly pressures the Maidan goons themselves. Maybe Russia was playing for time to gather strength; or maybe they were merely wasting time by postponing the inevitable.
Is Moscow prepared to finally go all in? We will see.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Apr 12 2024 14:22 utc | 76
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 12 2024 11:14 utc | 38
They have already said it. Once de-nazification is assured, the people will have their say in meaningful elections.
Posted by: juliania | Apr 12 2024 14:22 utc | 77
The headline claim of total immunity to jamming will at best be only temporarily true but it’s a step in the right direction. This might be completely new hardware or a system to integrate multiple existing radio modules and switch between them on the fly.
🇷🇺 The Russian Federation has developed a communication system for FPV drones that cannot be jammed by electronic warfareThe creators of the Piranha FPV drone have developed a multi-band communication system that cannot be jammed by electronic warfare (EW), since it allows you to change not only frequencies, but frequency ranges. This was reported to TASS by the leading technical specialist of the Simbirsk Design Bureau.
“We have created a unique product - it is a multi-band communication system that allows you to switch between three frequency ranges directly in flight, depending on the needs of the operator of an unmanned aerial vehicle. In other words, electronic warfare cannot interfere with the flight of our device, since when jamming the operator changes the frequency of the signal or immediately range and continues to perform its task. Moreover, the development was carried out at non-standard frequencies, which gives an even greater advantage over the enemy," he said, clarifying that existing drones change frequencies only within one range.
@wingsofwar
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 12 2024 14:24 utc | 78
"I do not see why they call them Nazis when those behind the war are all Zionists."
Posted by: Irregular | Apr 12 2024 11:03 utc | 35
You can literally be both. Zelensky being a good example. But to clarify the difference, there are a lot of Azov Nazis that are not supportive of the zionists or Jews in general.
To the extent that they show any support, it's purely transactional and intended to please their patrons.
For example having a transgender spokesperson? When they would otherwise tape that person to a pole and spray paint their face? EI In the same manner that they treat gypsies.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Apr 12 2024 14:25 utc | 79
In my experience this is not a 'left-right' thing, many very conservative people understand the grievances of the First Nation traditionalists, whose lives were shattered and their cultures broken by the arrival of the colonists and their dominance. On the other hand many 'progressives' regard the establishment of private property and capitalism as an advance over the previous tribal societies.
@ bevin | Apr 12 2024 13:26 utc | 59
Such an excellent post from bevin. Why we look for his handle.
I don't get anywhere trying to understand "left" and "right" anymore. Between the royalists and democrats of the French National Assembly (and in similar bodies today), precious few ever consider Haitians human.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 12 2024 14:26 utc | 80
"Very soon the only topic for any international meetings on Ukraine will be the unconditional capitulation of the Kiev regime.
I advise you all to prepare for this in advance."
Vasily Nebenzya, the Permanent Representative of Russia to the United Nations.
Quite!
Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 12 2024 14:26 utc | 81
My guess is that the West is not going to send any F16s to Ukraine because the optics of having them shot down en masse will outweigh any marginal benefits.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 12 2024 14:26 utc | 82
Posted by: juliania | Apr 12 2024 14:22 utc | 76
They have already said it. Once de-nazification is assured, the people will have their say in meaningful elections.
Putin's claims of de-nazification are as real as GWB's claims of Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Posted by: Inka | Apr 12 2024 14:28 utc | 83
Posted by: canuck | Apr 12 2024 13:41 utc | 61
But Aztecs were civilised - with useless buildings and ... religion !!!
[sorry for OT - let's continue on the off-topics thread]
Posted by: hh | Apr 12 2024 14:28 utc | 84
Posted by: Inka | Apr 12 2024 14:18 utc | 74
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Perhaps if the statement was made 18 months ago.
Today, anything less than complete capitulation would be a failure for the Russians, who are waging the most successful large-scale military action since they defeated the Nazis and won WW2.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 12 2024 14:29 utc | 85
The Ukrainian Civil War is a mere sideshow to the global conflict.
For example : Don’t forget one key War Aim of the RF - rollback of NATO to 1995 members.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 12 2024 14:29 utc | 86
TJandTheBear | Apr 12 2024 13:41 utc | 62
rk | Apr 12 2024 14:05 utc | 71
There is a possibility that some have already arrived in Ukraine and been destroyed.
On X-twitter there was a "tweet" not so long ago,showing several lorries with long shapes draped in white protection being transported in the general direction of Ukraine. These were labelled "xxxxxx" Missiles". (I didn't save, unfortunately). Which if you looked at the "bumps" in the covering could have been aircraft fuselages with places for wings and a pilots canopy, or so I thought at the time.
IF they were transported disassembled to Ukraine, it might explain why there were eight or nine Kinzahls sent exactly to the area of the gas storage near the Polish frontier, at the beginning of the new waves of missiles after "Crocus". You don't need that amount of force and accuracy to destroy a few valves.
Since there is silence, except for hits on thermal power plants, nothing will leak out for us.
the Mohawk
..were the last to be admitted to the Iroquois Confederacy because they were cannibalistic. The Hurons, Wendats, Algonquin and others considered them 'man eaters'. There is some revisionism looking to excuse or deny this, but it's well established.
I have to say I despise the noble savage romanticism. Humans are humans everywhere you go, and all peoples have the same beautiful and terrible qualities. As a misanthrope, I hate you all equally, with of course unreconcilable and hypocritical exceptions.
Sorry, off topic.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 12 2024 14:31 utc | 88
Strictly speaking, the bolded sentence is saying that the period for negotiations is still open, but not for much longer. It is specifically ruling out an unconditional surrender demand *at this time.* It is leaving open at this moment talks on what might constitute acceptable levels of denazification and neutralization. There is only a hint that Ukraine's NATO masters (the US and junior partners) may face the conquest of Ukraine *which will require taking too much Ukrainian territory for the Kyiv government to recover.*
Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 12 2024 14:32 utc | 89
Epic: this is the official Russian position
This is epic because it isn't the U.S. style of having 'anonymous officials' leaking propaganda to their MSM media acolytes. This is a high level Russian official and is uncharacteristically, dramatic. Russian statements are typically cautious and reserved.
Ignore it at your own peril.
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Apr 12 2024 14:35 utc | 90
"How about: "Zionists using Nazi tactics"
Posted by: canuck | Apr 12 2024 11:59 utc | 46
I think Zionazi was the best variant I saw. If it's a fit.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Apr 12 2024 14:35 utc | 91
1. Heck some of the cheerleaders on this side were claiming Berdichi in late FEB!
2. They don't control the whole village. You need to get out of your confirmation bias and actually read the details. Fighting in an area implies you don't CONTROL it. You are fighting over it.
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 12 2024 13:39 utc | 60
It's a village of no importance that the Ukrainians have decided to keep sending reinforcements into to buy time. It's the same tactic as Hitlers "Fester Platz". It was a hard sell to Wehrmacht commanders to fight to the death over some usless piece of ground instead of manuevering and preserving their forces. The smarter ones told Hitler to fuck off and went back to what they were trained to do and retreated to the next line intact.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 12 2024 14:37 utc | 92
Just wanted to add to 91 if the Ukrainians were smart they'd retreat to the west bank of the Dnieper and blow the bridges.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 12 2024 14:40 utc | 93
[email protected] of whatever Treaties were signed between the Crown on the Chiefs, in this neck of the woods and as far as I know N Ontario, First Nations people living on Reserve have no property rights. Most Chiefs live off reserve, chosing instead the private house in a predominantly rich 'white' neighborhood with their children placed in Private Schools. Also in Canada, I don't own the land I live on, I may own everything on the surface of that land but my deed has my wife and I named as "Tennants" not Owners. Should we fail to pay our tithe to the Crown, the Crown can take and auction my property for missed payments.....so for me Private Property is endless flow of Mammon to the Crown.
My 2000 sqft home in the City with all amenities, 3k per year property taxes. Built new 2k sqft house way out in the country, we get a snow plow if it's deep enough, and some ditch cutting a few times per season, my taxes 3k per year. It's a racket.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 12 2024 14:41 utc | 94
Posted by: bevin | Apr 12 2024 13:26 utc | 59
"All people do 'bad' things but so long as they do them amongst themselves the evil is manageable, it is when, as was the case with the Mohawk in the 1660s, colonists use clients as proxies, encouraging them- having armed them to the teeth- to kill and kidnap others that it becomes clear that the real problem is not human nature and an underlying desire to dominate but imperialist intervention, a form of capitalist expansion.
In southern Ontario the various Iroquoians- Wendat, Haudonasaunee, Neutrals, Petun- and the Anishnabe, Algonkian people had worked out a modus vivendi which the irruption of French, Dutch and English colonists, traders and priests broke up.
It was then that 'bad things' overwhelmed them..."
Very true!
How do you define left, and right these days. These are loaded terms and they do not mean the same to people universally?
Posted by: Nasir | Apr 12 2024 14:42 utc | 95
Posted by: scorpion | Apr 12 2024 13:43 utc | 63
A major reason for Russia's success is the understanding of most of the world outside of nato that used to be the understanding they had for the United States - that they would treat each nation with respect for the will of its citizenry, a core democratic principle which the US sadly jettisoned. Perception is 9/tenths of reality and diplomacy is not a foreign concept to most civilized nations, large or small. It doesn't go away simply because those in power refuse to recognize or respect it. In actuality, the latter simply speeds things along. Past glory has been what the US and 'friends' have been trading on, and it was a significant asset.
No longer.
Posted by: juliania | Apr 12 2024 14:44 utc | 96
"Every family, every tribe, every community struggles with the individual and then collective urge to dominate: white people, red people, black, yellow and even rainbow...Comanches did some bad shit to the Apaches....."
Posted by: migueljose | Apr 12 2024 11:54 utc | 44
Well said, my friend. Good people are where you find them, and bad people too.
The real "left-right" divide is between people who wish to rule over others, and people who do not wish to be ruled over.
Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 12 2024 14:47 utc | 97
It is time to get back to referring to Ukraine as "404" because it hasn't been a sovereign country since 2014, and is barely a country today, with the future likely to continue on that trajectory.
Maybe our local NAFO representatives are aware of some Wunder Waffe that is in the pipeline which could change the pattern of constant loss of men by the Ukrainian side.
Has General Dynamics assembled the Infinity Stones into a glove yet?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 12 2024 14:48 utc | 98
Posted by: canuck | Apr 12 2024 13:41 utc | 61
But Canuck, that's not part of Canada... eh? Thanks for your many posts by the way.
The reason I'm posting though is to just throw something out there. Imagine, today, if 8 out of 10 people suddenly died. How disruptive would that be? Even more disturbing, How likely is it?
Posted by: David G Horsman | Apr 12 2024 14:55 utc | 99
@stonebird #17
The US politicians in cluding the US president who take bribes must be very stupid to sell themselves to AIPAC for a few Millions each and then give up one Billion to someone like Zelensky!
About the Russian assets kept in Europe I would like to believe that ihe Europeans who are not the public faces that echo the Washington mantras, but the layer just below who do the real work, understand that their best friends and their future actually lie East of the Dnieper and in West Asia down to the Pacific, not forgeting Africa of course.
@b. Thanks to point out the declaration of the Russian ambassador at the UN who confirms what Putin already said in a recent speech: Ukraine war will end like WW II did end in Berlin and Gokyo. Sad but what else with the current generation of amateur clowns sticking to power in Europe and America.
Posted by: Richard L | Apr 12 2024 14:59 utc | 100
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He didn't factor in US who will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian even if all he have is a shovel.
There is no Plan B option for Ukraine to surrender.
Posted by: Surferket | Apr 12 2024 7:48 utc | 1