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April 25, 2024

Pentagon Confirms Delayed Withdrawal Of U.S. Troops From Niger

Last Saturday the Washington Post claimed that the U.S. had agreed to move its troops out of Sudan:

U.S. agrees to withdraw American troops from Niger

Other media made similar claims:

US troops set to withdraw from Niger, State Department official says - CNN
US plans to withdraw forces from Niger - The Hill

I found those claims to be wrong:

The U.S. drone base in Niger is used by the Pentagon and CIA to keep control of ISIS in the region.

So are U.S. troops really leaving Niger?

Of course not - at least not yet.

The next paragraph reveals what was really agreed upon. It makes it obvious that the U.S. wants to delay the issue as long as possible:

“We’ve agreed to begin conversations within days about how to develop a plan” to withdraw troops, said the senior State Department official. “They’ve agreed that we do it in an orderly and responsible way. And we will need to probably dispatch folks to Niamey to sit down and hash it out. And that of course will be a Defense Department project.”

- "We have agreed to begin conservations" - (we didn't really agree to pull out troops, just to talks)
- "about how to develop a plan" - (should we write a plan for something-something in Excel or Word?)
- "in an orderly and responsible way" - (we see absolutely no time pressure or deadline)
- "need to probably dispatch folks to Niamey" - (there will be many delays and the team will change often)
- "that of course will be a Defense Department project" - (We, the State Department, will hardly be involved. When the shit hits the fan the Pentagon will be to blame for it.)

The attempt by the State Department to kick the ball into the Pentagon's yard led to the inevitable result. Not ever in recent memory did the Pentagon leave a U.S. base in a foreign country without a significant threat against it. It is thus slow walking to implement the State Department decision by rejecting its pronounced claim:

No final decision on withdrawing US troops from Niger and Chad, top official tells AP

There has been no final decision on whether or not all U.S. troops will leave Niger and Chad, two African countries that are integral to the military’s efforts to counter violent extremist organizations across the Sahel region, a top U.S. military official told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

Niger’s ruling junta ended an agreement last month that allows U.S. troops to operate in the West African country. The State Department said Wednesday night that U.S. and Nigerien officials would meet Thursday in the capital, Niamey, “to initiate discussions on an orderly and responsible withdrawal of U.S. forces.”
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While U.S. officials said Saturday that the military would begin plans to withdraw troops from Niger, they said discussions on a new military agreement were ongoing.

“There’s still negotiations underway,” Grady said. “I don’t believe there is a final decision on disposition of U.S. forces there.”

Told ya so!

I predict that the Pentagon will not move one inch without outright sabotage and/or effective attacks against its troops in Niger.

It will however attempt to bribe whoever may be receptacle if that can turn the decision.

But the current government of Niger is not stupid. It was quite predictable how the U.S. would react when Niger ended the agreement.

The time for western (proxy) colonial states in Africa and elsewhere has come to an end. China and Russia offer reasonable alternatives and better deals.

Six months from now the time of U.S. troops in Niger (and Chad) will likely have ended.

Posted by b on April 25, 2024 at 14:46 UTC | Permalink

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fortress america... that is what i am hoping for... with whack jobs for politicians, it can't happen soon enough..

Posted by: james | Apr 25 2024 14:53 utc | 1

That was quick! Welcome back, b.

Posted by: Henry | Apr 25 2024 14:58 utc | 2

imagine the landlord cancels my lease, but i just decide i will keep staying there because i assume we will sign some other agreement eventually.

Posted by: c | Apr 25 2024 14:58 utc | 3

Its dangerous being out there predicting time frames for domino falling like me b but welcome to the club.

Who can't see the direction becoming clearer and global momentum building?

b is Back In The Saddle......YeeeHaaaaw!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 25 2024 15:20 utc | 4

While U.S. officials said Saturday that the military would begin plans to withdraw troops from Niger, they said discussions on a new military agreement were ongoing.

Translation: continued attempts at bribery and intimidation will be made, but we're not prepared to fight for these bases.

My read is that the various military juntas in the Sahel will stand firm, and Niger in particular will escalate its 'encouragement' for the US to leave, as they did with France. The US does not have the forces to control Niger, the most they can do is to destroy infrastructure, and Niger is advantaged because there's very little of it. Even bombing every piece of productive infrastructure in the country could not save the US bases, it would simply lead to their bloody destruction. Niger's civilians would suffer most of the casualties, but it seems clear that, like the people of Gaza, they are willing to endure this.

The US has no such commitment to the occupation. US forces have been in the region to keep the 'terrorist' pot simmering as leverage to control comprador regimes. That strategy is falling apart. The actual extraction of wealth from the region is mostly European, and the primary US interest at the moment is isolating Europe from that source of power. Engaging in a futile war in Africa at this time would be counterproductive, whereas leaving in a civilized manner keeps the door open for other kinds of 'invasion.'

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 25 2024 15:26 utc | 5

christopher grady insists on negotiations!! niger wants the usa out, as does chad but grady insists on negotiations... to use @ 3 c idea - the landlord cancels your lease, but you insist on negotiations, lol.. negotiate what??

Posted by: james | Apr 25 2024 15:28 utc | 6

I wouldn't be quite so pessimistic.

Sure, US troops won't pack up and leave just now - just as they didn't when Iraq asked them to leave. But when their presence becomes unwanted/ an occupation, their hands will be tied. They'll be sitting in their desert base, pointlessly biding their time. Much like US troops in the Middle East: They may be a nuisance hindering regional cooperation, but it happens regardless. Russia may have less soldiers in the region, but it can actually *use* them.

The coups in Niger and its neighbours are still fairly fresh. For now, the population supports the new regimes - but it won't necessarily stay that way forever. Washington probably hopes for some mistakes leading to further regime changes. Mali's junta promised elections, but so far, there's none in sight.

Posted by: smuks | Apr 25 2024 16:01 utc | 7

"hopes for mistakes', or active sabotage? i am sure it will be a combo platter..

Posted by: james | Apr 25 2024 16:03 utc | 8

If the US contingent of troops is told to leave, and does not leave, that constitutes an invasion and occupation force. The 'US' is breaking all the rules now. Very bad diplomacy and statesmanship. Cruisin' for a bruisin', and this time around they will get it. Russia and China confrontation is close at hand, unless the State Dept. gets some sense. Whats really sad about all these is that over the past few decades, the US has thrown away all of the goodwill it had around the world. Trust lost is not easily regained.

Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Apr 25 2024 16:05 utc | 9

The Vietnamese had the right idea when it came to kicking out the French. All those US bases around the world - don't let any out alive.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 25 2024 16:05 utc | 10

So glad you're back, ol' B! I was getting worried.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 25 2024 16:15 utc | 11

Welcome back b, you have been missed. Enjoyed the freudian slip: "We have agreed to begin conservations", which revealed the true meaning of the empire's intentions WRT Niger.

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Apr 25 2024 16:20 utc | 12

For those that missed it:
Here is the absolutely embarrassing display before Congress: March 2023, of the AFRICOM Commander, USMC General Michael Langley

In fact, his responses to Rep. Matt Gaetz are absolutely deceptive, illogical and bizarre in nature.

AFRICOM Leader Claims U.S Government Shares Values with Coup Leaders

House Armed Services Committee, 03/23/23

Posted by: The Archivist | Apr 25 2024 16:40 utc | 13

'It was quite predictable how the U.S. would react when Niger ended the agreement.' -- b

Three words suffice to describe the US: 'not agreement capable.'

Posted by: Jim H | Apr 25 2024 16:43 utc | 14

Good to see the bar manager back at his job! Hope your procedure went as planned.

As for which nation will expel its Outlaw US Empire occupiers first--Iraq or Niger--I vote Iraq because they're very big targets there.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 25 2024 16:47 utc | 15

Meanwhile, Burkinabi leader Traore has put his troops on high alert in anticipation of shenanigans by the French. Niger is part of a cooperation bloc with Burkina Faso and Mali.

Things are heating up in Africa.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 25 2024 17:05 utc | 16

Wonderful to see that b is back. His blog is as indispensable as oxygen is to a suffocating person.

Posted by: Leuk | Apr 25 2024 17:07 utc | 17

I wonder about the means have to make the Americans on this base very uncomfortable. The soldiers need to get food, water, and energy from somewhere. Is it possible for the Nigeriens to cut them off?

Posted by: Tedder | Apr 25 2024 17:12 utc | 18

These , or other bases/outposts

Anyone’s seen the “waiting for the barbarians” movie?

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 25 2024 17:22 utc | 19

imagine the landlord cancels my lease, but i just decide i will keep staying there because i assume we will sign some other agreement eventually.

Posted by: c | Apr 25 2024 14:58 utc | 3

Squatting is a growing problem within the US as people take advantage of local real estate law loopholes. Proper boundries and property rights are the foundation of healthy societies. The profoundly sick US Empire is showing symptoms of illness at home and abroad.

Posted by: benzanotto | Apr 25 2024 17:58 utc | 20

I wonder about the means have to make the Americans on this base very uncomfortable. The soldiers need to get food, water, and energy from somewhere. Is it possible for the Nigeriens to cut them off?

Posted by: Tedder | Apr 25 2024 17:12 utc | 18

Yes. It shouldn't be very difficult to do so but, there will be some casualties for the Nigerians. The US military would have to spend an enormous amount of money to transport needed supplies as Niger is a landlocked nation. The Nigerians wouldn't need to stop everything coming in; just cutting off fuel would make life nearly unbearable for US troops. A single RPG or IED to a fuel truck is all you need.

Posted by: Ian2 | Apr 25 2024 18:05 utc | 21

When one points out that US/NATO expansionism is the root of many of the world's conflicts one is met with: "The US/NATO isn't conquering anybody only responding to requests of sovereign local authorities to occupy their country to 'defend' against XYZ aggressor." Yet when sovereign local authorities request that US/NATO leave their country the Empire drags its feet, refuses to leave, and treats these former sovereigns as conquered provinces.

Posted by: benzanotto | Apr 25 2024 18:13 utc | 22

US is squatting on Niger land. Niger should send police to remove them. As to ISIS, US created it as an excuse for endless war and even provided both "sides" to fight. In Syria, Pentagon backed troops "fought" CIA backed troops: 3/27/16, "In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA," LA Times..."Syrian militias armed by different parts of the U.S. war machine have begun to fight each other...CIA-armed units and Pentagon-armed ones have repeatedly shot at each other....Continued fighting among different U.S.-backed groups may be inevitable." Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Burbank) says, “It is an enormous challenge.”" Right. As to Venezuela: In 2001 Chavez asked US to get out of Venezuela. In 2002 US tried but failed to overthrow Chavez: "In August 2001, Venezuela's government asked the American military mission to leave the Fuerte Tiuna site it had occupied for more than 50 years. But the mission continued to operate there, even through the coup the following year that briefly ousted Mr. Chávez."...[Translation: In 2001 Chavez asked US to get out of Venezuela. In 2002 US tried but failed to remove Chavez].

As always US cites its work "training" locals to fight drugs & to fly planes. 5/13/2004, NY Times, Reuters, CARACAS, Venezuela, "Venezuela has asked the United States military mission to leave liaison offices at armed forces bases in the country, the American ambassador, Charles Shapiro, said Wednesday.

The request appeared to signal a further downgrading of military links between the countries, whose relations have become strained under the government of President Hugo Chávez. It was sent to the American Embassy on Friday by the defense minister, Gen. Jorge García.

American attaché staff members were asked to leave offices at Fuerte Tiuna armed forces headquarters in Caracas and at other military installations, Mr. Shapiro said. That would mean they would have to work from the embassy or other rented premises.

Mr. Shapiro declined to say how the move would affect military cooperation with Venezuela, which has decreased since Mr. Chávez took office in early 1999.

American officers have been advising on antidrug operations and training local pilots who are flying American-made F-16 fighters. United States defense officials in Venezuela declined to specify the size of the mission....

Asked why the new request to vacate the offices had been made, Mr. García said, "Because they are still there."

Relations between the United States and Venezuela, its biggest Latin American oil supplier, have deteriorated since Mr. Chávez weathered the coup. He has accused the United States of backing opposition efforts to oust him, a charge denied by the Bush administration.

The administration has criticized Mr. Chávez's close alliance with President Fidel Castro of Cuba. In turn, Mr. Chávez has characterized the criticism as more examples of American meddling.

Mr. García asked the American military personnel to leave Fuerte Tiuna days before Venezuela's security forces announced they had captured a force of 90 or so Colombian paramilitaries on Sunday. They are being held at Fuerte Tiuna."..https://www.latinamericanstudies.org/venezuela/bases.htm.

Posted by: Susan Mullen | Apr 25 2024 18:14 utc | 23

as they did with France.
Honzo | Apr 25 2024 15:26 utc | 5

Not the same thing. To me it looks like Macaron was told to leave because US wants it all, bases and cheap or free resources. And he may need all soldiers to keep the forever war with Russia. US will never leave, why would they? It costs $5 to drop a few "freedom" missiles on the new leaders if they say no. Or they'll move to a better position if they leave. In Syria their bases are increasing in number, why would they ever leave?

I wonder about the means have to make the Americans on this base very uncomfortable.
Posted by: Tedder | Apr 25 2024 17:12 utc | 18

Think this way: if Russia is so scared that they're afraid to shoot down robot drones right at their borders, would men in slippers think to attack US soldiers? If Xi is ok with US troops in Taiwan and medium range missiles, would some poor people in Africa think to complain about US soldiers? And which weapons? Is Russia selling or giving them any? Or China?

Posted by: rk | Apr 25 2024 18:16 utc | 24

Anybody who joined the U.S. military after the last few wars deserves whatever they get.

Posted by: Sentient | Apr 25 2024 18:17 utc | 25

Just declare the Amercan bases to now be part of Israel, end of discussion! 😉

More seriously, I suppose that it will eventually get mentioned that the bases somehow relate to the security of the Middle East, so anyone who fears AIPAC had best support the administration in defying the wishes of Niger's government.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 25 2024 18:22 utc | 26

Wasn't it the US that wondered why Kazakhstan hadn't asked the US to send troops to quell the uprising that we had fomented there because as Blinkin said, once you let the Russians in you can't get them out?

Yes, welcome back b. I was afeared that it would be a longer term medical adventure.

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Apr 25 2024 18:26 utc | 27

I don’t know if anyone caught my observation of just how many of the current migrants to the US, flown in, processed and housed are young male west African. There does seem to be an organised transportation going on hidden by the supposed border chaos.
Africa is where the rest of this century and next where the future of human civilisational development will be ever more determined. All the metrics guarantee it.
The Declining West NEEDS the comprador diaspora that will allow it to retain influence there.

Just saying.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 25 2024 18:30 utc | 28

Visit in March:

Nigerien officials said the US delegation was “condescending”, and rebuffed their attempts to meet junta leader General Omar Tchiani.

Statement From Pentagon Press Secretary Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder on a Department of Defense Delegation to Niger | 24 April 2024 |

Per the U.S. State Department, U.S. Ambassador to Niger Kathleen FitzGibbon and Maj. Gen. Kenneth Ekman, U.S. Africa Command Director of Strategy, Engagement and Programs, will meet with National Council for Safeguarding the Homeland (CNSP) officials April 25 in Niamey, Niger to initiate discussions on an orderly and safe withdrawal of U.S. forces from Niger.

The Department of Defense remains committed to countering violent extremist organizations in West Africa. DoD will continue to support whole-of-government approaches to work with African leaders to maintain stability and address terrorist threats in the region, including addressing core issues that drive insecurity.

Niger is home to a major U.S. airbase, in the city of Agadez drone surveillance Sahel region

Russian troop arrival spells end for US military presence in Niger | FT – 2 days ago |

The Russian plane landed at the international airport in Niger’s capital Niamey at about midnight with little fanfare, ferrying anti-aircraft defence systems and troops to Moscow’s newest ally in the Sahel.

The arrival of the 100 soldiers this month was the final death knell for the presence of US forces, who have been based in the west African nation since 2013 — and underscored Niger’s determination to diversify its security partnerships beyond the west.

Posted by: Oui | Apr 25 2024 18:31 utc | 29

welcome back b

Posted by: anon | Apr 25 2024 18:36 utc | 30

So good to have you back, B!

Posted by: Avtonom | Apr 25 2024 18:53 utc | 31

We may see a Nicaragua situation in Niger in a while then. The US may also overflow the country with heavy drugs, etc etc, of course in addition to bribing those who are inclined to take bribes and terrorizing everyone else.

But there is pan-Africanism in Africa. Meaning, a lot of solidarity across the whole continent.

Posted by: Avtonom | Apr 25 2024 18:57 utc | 32

US troops pull out of Niger? Like in Syria and Iraq? Give it twenty years, on an Afghanistan timeline.

Posted by: quasi_verbatim | Apr 25 2024 18:59 utc | 33

So good to have you back, b! Sigh. A few days ago I was feeling delighted at the headlines that the U.S. had agreed to voluntarily end its military presence in Niger. Naive, I guess. Ever hopeful, too.

Posted by: Maxcrat | Apr 25 2024 19:58 utc | 34

The US never leaves voluntarily, It can only be forced out. The US hopes for eventually staging a coup or buying off some new corrupt leader. See Marcos in the Phillipines, a corrupt stooge taking after his parents in a country devastated culturally by western imperialism. All these "host" nations of US bases need understand that in the event of nuclear conflict they will be targeted.

Posted by: Thurl | Apr 25 2024 19:59 utc | 35

I see the US made sure not to send Gen. Michael Langley back for the next visit to Niger. Langley is apparently the first black US Marine Corps four-star general.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 25 2024 20:00 utc | 36

Kenneth Ekman, Langley's replacement, is a white two-star Air Force general.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 25 2024 20:06 utc | 37

Why the Yanks were booted out of Niger … impudence and US officials were “condescending”,

Наглость Госдепа приводит к изгнанию США из Африки

Posted by: Oui | Apr 25 2024 20:15 utc | 38

Therefore the people need to start „attacking“ regular Americans all over the globe. Not physically of course. But make them feel that they are not wanted anymore:

Tell them, spit them in front of their feet, stop friendships, don’t sell your stuff to them, change your (software) licenses, change your social media avatars… if you‘ve got a shop then put up a sign: „not for supporters or citizens of the US Terror Regime“.

We should make a logo, select a color, maybe sell pins or shirts. We should follow some of Gene Sharps regime change books and build a global movement. If all those blogs would take part, we would probably be able to reach enough people to spread the idea.

No manifest where all would need to agree, just a very simple but obvious sign like a stop sign.

Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Apr 25 2024 21:04 utc | 39

Who's left once the French are gone : Locals , Chinese , Armed groups (with more or less religion inside) and US bases. Who are the US helping ?

Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Apr 25 2024 21:31 utc | 40

we can only hope that the 'withdrawal' of US troops from Niger will be quicker
than the withdrawal/s from Iraq

we've entered the relatively peaceful protest phase of the US withdrawal

fyi,
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/-us-army-get-out---nigeriens-protest-us-troops--presence-on

'US Army Get Out': Nigeriens protest US troops' presence on soil

Protesters were seen holding flags from Niger, Mali, and Russia, along with placards calling on the US to withdraw its forces from Niger.


Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 25 2024 22:45 utc | 41

If negotiations don't go in their favour releasing a virus might be a last option, it's been done before DRC comes to mind

Posted by: Nubia Wolf | Apr 25 2024 22:58 utc | 42

How long before Niger cuts the water to the US base?

Posted by: teddy salad | Apr 25 2024 22:59 utc | 43


"Who are the US helping ?" The same as always themselves of course. I followed the link above Oui | Apr 25 2024 20:15 utc #38 to learn that initially the new Niger government had no intention of throwing the amerikans out. The figured that as long as the pigs pay their rent and mind their own business why worry about getting into a blue with them as it hadn't been amerika exploiting 'em for centuries it was the sleazy frog fuckers.

"Initially, it was assumed that American UAVs would be used in Niger to fight terrorism. It was implied that if the situation developed favorably, Niger could even become the largest US ally in this area. In practice, the "Reapers" took almost no part in the fight against jihadists and separatists. In addition, their flights were completely stopped after the coup in Niger last summer."

Then shortly after the new government was installed v. nuland demanded an audience where she arrived demanding that their pawn Mohamed Bazoum the previous 'president' of Niger be re-installed. nuland was politely told to piss off.

After nuland copped the flick amerika's new ambassador for africa turned up, Molly Phee, the US Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs and former Ambassador to South Sudan, came to Niamey to negotiate with the Nigerian military. She turned up with little warning, refused to provide details of who was in her party beforehand (a major diplomatic no-no) then proceeded to try to order the leaders of Niger around, telling them they must restore french owned businesses (the ones who had been ripping off Niger for centuries) to their 'rightful owners', must not talk to Iran etc. When it was pointed out to her that she was involving herself in business that did not concern her, that the agreement with amerika only concerned their 'anti-terrorism' bases that hadn't been involved in any anti-terrorism being more about flying drones everywhere but the Sahel, just over other nations which were no concern of Niger, Phee threatened the leaders with an amerikan 'invasion'. Natch she was told to fuck off in no uncertain terms, that what was meant to be a deal to lease a base was being used instead as a weapon against the people of Niger.

It was after that the Niger government concluded that the bases had to go.

In other words the usual bossy, bitchy amerikan method of diplomacy had failed yet again. What a surprise!

Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 25 2024 23:01 utc | 44

An oldie but a goodie:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1tqtvxG8O4

Welcome back, b!

Posted by: juliania | Apr 25 2024 23:13 utc | 45

I think one lesson in recent history is that once Russians are in your house, it’s sometimes very difficult to get them to leave,” Blinken told reporters.

Makes blinkens comments on kazakhstan even more poignant.
Should we start naming countries where this also occurs.? I remember the Iraq request. Usa claimed they would bill Iraq for the pleasure/cost of bases if they were made to leave. But a defeated and occupied nation can only really complain and not much else. Take Japan for instance. No amount of local protests will ever remove usa bases from their. Part of the cultural mystic I remember of Japan was finding pokey old jazz bars complete with car sized speakers and amplifiers aka 1945 ish. Where usa troops had made their entertainment and these places were stuck in time as a reminder

Posted by: Hankster | Apr 25 2024 23:25 utc | 46

Tedder @18

Very easy. The base is near the town of Arlit. Difficult to resupply and defend without Nigerien support.

Posted by: Tango Victor | Apr 25 2024 23:38 utc | 47

Yes, the US always need to be chased out .. requests don't work.
Hope the medical intervention went well b, and that you are fully recovering.

Posted by: TEP | Apr 25 2024 23:44 utc | 48

You guys think this is the 80's or 90's? The authorities in Niger and Chad have decided that US troops should leave their countries and THEY will LEAVE, SOON. It is not up to the US to decide or negotiate what happens next. The decision HAS been TAKEN.

Posted by: Mohale Thoka | Apr 25 2024 23:55 utc | 49

So I guess this means the rules based order doesn’t consider contracted agreements as rules?

The Nigeriens should simply say you’ve got a reasonable amount of time to manage your logistics. Lack of progress, they should just surround the damn real estate. Let nothing in or out except by chopper. Stop the fuel, water, electricity and sex.

As soon as the “female soldiers” can’t get pounded by the locals and the actual soldiers can’t get “relief” a lot will happen.

The “female soldiers” will all of a sudden be knocked up and admit to their mental problems. The males will be at sick call every day and have some type of profile. Probably also be some suicides.

The Nigeriens can make them leave if they stick to it.

Posted by: Archetypex | Apr 26 2024 1:37 utc | 50

Speedy recovery b, glad you're back.

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 26 2024 1:40 utc | 51

Never, EVER invite a genocidal regime into your country.
If you do so, getting them to leave will only happen in language they understand: FORCE.

The new gov won't put up with this shit out of this arrogant regime

Posted by: Kay | Apr 26 2024 2:09 utc | 52

"Not ever in recent memory did the Pentagon leave a U.S. base in a foreign country without a significant threat against it. It is thus slow walking to implement the State Department decision by rejecting its pronounced claim:"

The Mob moves into a territory by force and will only leave an area by force.
The Mob don't care about your excel spreadsheets or powerpoint presentations.
The Mob only understands the primitive logic of raw kinetic power.

P.S: Glad to see you back online, b.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 26 2024 2:50 utc | 53

if Niger doesn't offer local supplies, it's hard to imagine US troops have to airlift all their water, food, gas for generators etc., for example, not to mention what will happen with trash disposal if the locals won't take it? but hey, more money to be made for military contractors, so who knows, maybe they don't mind such inconvenient expenses one bit.

that said, i imagine the political economy of bases abroad is much like how it is on domestic soil: the locals and social-commercial networks around the bases are happy to turn a blind eye to the politics of it all if their 'rice bowl' is at stake. so in this case, what Niger's central govt wants and what the locals want may be at odds, especially if there are US 'assets' already among the locals and regional mafia, as those are relationships long cultivated i imagine. there is an interesting news story here, too bad there are no journalists anymore.

my understanding is that the US bases in Africa were not so much for direct military engagement, but to develop local 'assets', especially military leaders who will do the bidding of the US, training them tactically and ideologically, profiling would-be compradors, getting them on the off-the-books payroll, fostering ties that can be tapped when needed.

even though that mission now seems in jeopardy, the Pentagon is a slow moving machine, the institutional inertia is to simply stay, and wait it out. more importantly, AFRICOM will not disband the base, for to do so will threaten its own raison d'être. what we might call imperial overextension actually just looks like this -- just chugging along, refusing to adapt.

Posted by: Mastameta | Apr 26 2024 3:13 utc | 54

They can check out any time they like but they will never leave. The US is losing influence throughout the world, many are waking up that the US itself supports the terror to justify their presence, suspect they will be more reluctant to lose bases. Iraq also asked them to leave and they didn't. The Philippines did get rid of them for a while, but when China become a target the US maneuvered another Marcos into power to invite them back again.

Stupid Australians invited them in, something that would have caused riots 50 years ago, seems the cost of corrupting politicians is cheaper than military action. Like Ukraine was a cost expense rather than a US life one, so countries like the Philippines and Australia are being setup for the China round, the US will provide the dollars and the vassals the body bags.

Posted by: Organic | Apr 26 2024 3:35 utc | 55

America needs the Spice that Niger has in spades.

Posted by: Windship | Apr 26 2024 4:07 utc | 56

The US is losing influence throughout the world, many are waking up that the US itself supports the terror to justify their presence,
Posted by: Organic | Apr 26 2024 3:35 utc | 55


I don't follow. You say US is losing "influence" then list all these instances where they haven't lost influence but actually increased it. So which is it?

Personally I can see anything arising that stops the US UK empire (and its satrapies) doing whatever it wants to do. No one is going to stop Israel either for example.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Apr 26 2024 4:29 utc | 57

It is not up to the US to decide or negotiate what happens next. The decision HAS been TAKEN.

Posted by: Mohale Thoka | Apr 25 2024 23:55 utc | 49

I won't believe it until I see it Mohale. I hope you;re right but fear nothing has changed at all.

How could Niger physically practically with force or will power and rhetoric kick the US military out of Niger if the US Empire Refuses ? Please explain if possible.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Apr 26 2024 4:33 utc | 58

Let's hope the US embassy in N'Djamena has a helipad 'cos the embassy staff, the people employed in the non-profit non-government charities and other institutions, their translators and all the US troops will one day need to evacuate in a rush, the way the US had to rush to leave Saigon in 1975 and Kabul in 2021.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 26 2024 4:43 utc | 59

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Apr 26 2024 4:33 utc | 58

Without seeming contrary, Niger successfully kicked the French out by non violent means. They protested out the front of barracks for weeks. Women banging pots 24/7 to make life intolerable. The ambassador who refused to leave made his own jail cell in the embassy until he eventually left. Blocking his lobster champagne deliveries made macron moan he was on some starvation rations. But they didn't use weapons against them. Currently the usa moaned no mail , there's electricity to cut water etc , all seemingly no problem that the usa sees for Palestine so I guess they can't complain if they get treated the same

Posted by: Hankster | Apr 26 2024 6:22 utc | 60

@54, You say, "more importantly, AFRICOM will not disband the base, for to do so will threaten its own raison d'être."

Who cares about any US raison d'etre? "Africom" of course was installed by Bush 2 to bleed US taxpayers. Like Bush 1, Bush 2 stopped trying to hide his contempt for non-royal Americans. As others have noticed, the main problem isn't the Niger base per se, it's US elites themselves. They honestly believe everyone else is subhuman garbage. They don't understand that buying more military equipment doesn't make you smarter, it just means you have more taxpayers and you're willing to steal from them. That's why as a US taxpayer I identify very much with the Russian Federation. US elites treat both of us like subhuman garbage. Which is why it's not about Ukraine. It's that without provocation, US elites won't allow any communication whatsoever with Russian counterparts elected after the year 2000, refuse to allow for example a US Senator to invite Russian officials to the US just to get to know each other. A few years ago Sen. Rand Paul wanted to invite some Russians to visit but Mitch McConnell forbade it, said it will never happen. This is not human. And it can't be changed by US elections. Mr. Putin thinks the world can't continue with US blockading humanity. I agree with him.

Posted by: Susan Mullen | Apr 26 2024 6:53 utc | 61

>> Pentagon Confirms Delayed Withdrawal Of U.S. Troops From Niger

Occupying territory of a foreign nation without the consent of their government is war. Not "delayed withdrawal."

Or would the US, EU and NATO stop arming Ukraine and lift the sanctions if Russia re-branded it's SMO to a delayed withdrawal? Especially the military in NATO would understand that it will take some time, possibly years, to reach an understanding on the exact protocol, and to them withdraw personnel and weapons to an extent acceptable, if not to both parties, at least to Russia?

Posted by: Marvin | Apr 26 2024 7:34 utc | 62

Welcome back, b! I agree with all the above posters who say that to get the Pentagon’s attention, you need to speak their language.

Made-in-Newfoundland vodka claims top prize at world-wide competition (per CTV News)

Bombardier, Airbus get exemptions from Canadian sanctions on Russian titanium (Reuters, reported by Canada’s Global News)

Canadian who died in Cuba was mistakenly buried in Russia, family says (and that one is from CBC News)

With that IMF meeting in Morocco, I drew the assumption that Morocco is pivotal to the interests of the US in Africa.

Niger opens up strategic partnership with Morocco (from earlier this year)

https://thearabweekly.com/niger-opens-strategic-partnership-morocco

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Apr 26 2024 9:07 utc | 63

Given the role played by Qatar and some protestant zionist sects in the creation of south sudan, i would bet they dont have much friends in Chad. The plan, which costed billion and culminated in 2010, was meant to fail from day 1 according to any local who was shown the delimitation of the borders and the place of the oil in these areas.

Posted by: Minaa | Apr 26 2024 9:42 utc | 64

Posted by: benzanotto | Apr 25 2024 17:58 utc | 20

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the landlords?

Rent-seekers are leeches and a net detriment to society.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 26 2024 10:00 utc | 65

Surprised nobody has posted this yet. Niger is certainly not making things comfortable for the American occupation

Posted by: Crypt | Apr 26 2024 10:52 utc | 66

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 25 2024 15:26 utc | 5

Excellent analysis.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 26 2024 11:37 utc | 67

Proper boundries and property rights are the foundation of healthy societies. The profoundly sick US Empire is showing symptoms of illness at home and abroad.

Posted by: benzanotto | Apr 25 2024 17:58 utc | 20
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Providing decent housing, schooling, and health care to all citizens are the foundation of healthy societies.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Apr 26 2024 11:52 utc | 68

it?

Personally I can see anything arising that stops the US UK empire (and its satrapies) doing whatever it wants to do. No one is going to stop Israel either for example.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Apr 26 2024 4:29 utc | 57
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Can you give some examples of "anything"? Or did you mean "can't see"? If so you should proofread since certain errors can affect the impression you make on your readers.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Apr 26 2024 12:14 utc | 69

So US is delaying till Niger copies the 1983 Beirut playbook.

Posted by: j rijntjes | Apr 26 2024 12:19 utc | 70

Good health Kaiser B , Niger = U ranium period . Everything else is opera .

Posted by: Paleologos | Apr 26 2024 12:25 utc | 71

Huge greetings and an infinite embrace B

May the god Berobreo take care of your health

https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berobreo

Posted by: Simon | Apr 26 2024 12:47 utc | 72

DEO LARI BEROBREO ARAM POSVI

PRO SALVTE

To the god, protecting, Berobreo, this stone, I put.

Gesundheit

Posted by: Simon | Apr 26 2024 12:53 utc | 73

Time to send in the brain melting crickets again? :P Yeah, if we won't go quietly, I guess it is time they siege the bases, turn off the utilities and services, and wait. Oh, and add a few standing pools of water nearby (used tires with pond water will work well) and let the mosquitoes work their magic along with the brain melting crickets. ;)

Nah, maybe the American Imperialists will listen to reason and be courteous guests this time... ;) Ha! And maybe they like roughing it in Africa out of the goodness of their hearts.

Posted by: titmouse | Apr 26 2024 13:23 utc | 74

Sounds like the "junta" will be targeted for regime change, if not via "democratic" means, then by extreme prejudice.

Of course, and US backed "planning process" will include plans to retain military troops and functions.

Posted by: bill wolfe | Apr 26 2024 13:30 utc | 75

b is back.
This calls for a drink !!!

Posted by: denk | Apr 26 2024 14:12 utc | 76

The U.S. never leaves

We are like that uncle (or dad) who goes to hand you money and then keeps pulling it back as a joke.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Apr 26 2024 14:18 utc | 77

Short and sharp.

Yankee go home !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeyl8gp9c4

Posted by: denk | Apr 26 2024 14:28 utc | 78

From the Ukraine war to Gaza
From Trump to Joe O’Biden
it’s safe to say the USA
is sinking like Poseidon

they didn’t flinch when tents arose
to house the working poor
or when their livelihoods were stolen
by countless force majeure

The Evil Ones have got them
so besotted with division
they are forced to pick a side
by talking heads on television

I for one am glad to see
the behemoth exposed
may it retract its tentacles
from every facet of the globe

No spiteful Armageddon
no genocide or war
my hopes are low
as we have seen them operate before

Posted by: ld | Apr 26 2024 15:50 utc | 79

Providing decent housing, schooling, and health care to all citizens are the foundation of healthy societies.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Apr 26 2024 11:52 utc | 68

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It's worth noting that not a single one of these is a constitutionally anchored right in the USA.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 26 2024 16:20 utc | 80

@ b

Welcome back! Hope all well. D.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 26 2024 16:24 utc | 81

Speaking as an American tax mule, the US Empire is all cost and no benefit. A relic of mid 20th Century geopolitics. It's time for the Big Dumb Giant to go home.

Posted by: jhill | Apr 26 2024 16:41 utc | 82

b, "Blutige Entlassung"? (German hospitals sent people home as quickly as they can)

Posted by: Tortuosit | Apr 26 2024 17:14 utc | 83

When the west African countries overthrew their governments with US-trained troops, and kicked out the French and not the Americans, I just assumed that they were following some US script to take over French former colonies.
But it sounds like the Americans pushed them too far. Imagine sending Victoria Nuland to do diplomacy anywhere!
Welcome back, B, glad you were pleasantly surprised about your medical adventure.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Apr 26 2024 17:55 utc | 84

Welcome back B
Long time reader but now I am banned from reddit due to trying to spread the truth about October 7th etc I would like to be more active on here as a lot of the barflys seem to be a more mature crowd
I served in the Royal Navy myself from 1989/1994 with a high-security clearance due to the nature of my role (RO) It was not too dissimilar to Radar role in M*A*S*H but not in anyway fun at all and left as soon as I realised we are kept in the dark about a lot of stuff to make us all want to rush off to war and fight "Commies", I was politicised after 9/11 when the push was on to Invade Iraq again and Joined the Antiwar movement in the UK, I grew up through the fear of the Bomb as a kid and I fear we are more closer today than ever before.
The blatant antagonism of China/Russia/Iran etc is just like we are going backwards in time, America is bankrupt and "Needs to be the Global power" The Far right Torys in power right now make Margret Thatcher's Ultra capitalist ventures seem tame and since the Israeli lobby has destroyed the last marxist from the Labour party and they are now an imitation tory party I fear the worst for the future

Any hoo Thanks for all your posts and work B

Heres hoping for cooler heads all around globally
and Solidarity to all brothers and sisters at the bar

Posted by: BoardinDundee | Apr 26 2024 18:30 utc | 85

BoardinDundee | Apr 26 2024 18:30 utc | 85

Quite so recognizable … a bookshelf of similar essays … I suppose I’m a bit older … drew the line during the Vietnam War era … the obvious lies from Westmoreland and Robert McNamara … Gulf of Tonkin in the fog of war … the TET offensive opened the eyes of America … 1968 student protests … always takes a while. Misdeed of the attack on USS Liberty … Reagan and the downing of Iran flight 655 by “hero” US Navy Captain of USS Vincennes. Still saddened by the massacres today and proxy wars …. mercenaries like Erik Prince’s Blackwater et al. … too much needless bloodshed … nothing to gain from a new “Iron Curtain” … Zelenskyy is no Churchill who was a b*stard anyway … insanity leads.

Posted by: Oui | Apr 26 2024 19:34 utc | 86

Glad you're back, b. Hope all's well for you.

Posted by: McAgnew | Apr 26 2024 20:19 utc | 87

the reprisal was Lockerbie in Scotland for that one brother, But Due to American duplicity they tampered with the crime scene btw, US Spooks were on the scene quite quicker than Scottish Police for some odd reason!

Posted by: BoardinDundee | Apr 26 2024 21:06 utc | 88

I was a reserve officer in the US Navy for many years. Even worked in the Pentagon. Heard a lot of scuttlebut (naval jargon for gossip).

The captain of the Vincennes, Captain Rogers, was notorious within the Navy for being triggerhappy.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 26 2024 22:01 utc | 89

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Apr 26 2024 4:33 utc | 58

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5 years ago, one couldn't see a small Sahel state rebelling against the Empire. The context has changed.

I suspect part of the reason that b has made a post about Africa may be because the Empire's resources are finite. Every Empire starts to fray at the edges until the center is isolated and collapses.

America is busy with Israel (which means Yemen, Iran, Lebanon), and Ukraine, while trying to keep pressure on China via Taiwan.

America couldn't pacify Afghanistan, how are they going to hold a global Empire together? With what resources are they planning on enforcing its will on an Africa that is increasingly aligning with Russia, Iran, and China?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 26 2024 23:51 utc | 90

Niger was very much in the news, some 20 years ago, when the George W. Bush administration claimed that Iraq had obtained yellowcake (uranium ore) from Niger to produce weapons of mass destruction. That was fiction, but what I have read is not fiction is that France needs that yellowcake to power its nuclear power plants.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 27 2024 0:19 utc | 91

Posted by: j rijntjes | Apr 26 2024 12:19 utc | 70

Embassies should not be turned into military barracks with thousands of troops that's what bases are for. I guess usa did learn a thing from that, well then there's Iraq green zone , so I guess not.

Posted by: Hankster | Apr 27 2024 2:02 utc | 92

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Apr 26 2024 4:33 utc | 58

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5 years ago, one couldn't see a small Sahel state rebelling against the Empire. The context has changed.

I suspect part of the reason that b has made a post about Africa may be because the Empire's resources are finite. Every Empire starts to fray at the edges until the center is isolated and collapses.

America is busy with Israel (which means Yemen, Iran, Lebanon), and Ukraine, while trying to keep pressure on China via Taiwan.

America couldn't pacify Afghanistan, how are they going to hold a global Empire together? With what resources are they planning on enforcing its will on an Africa that is increasingly aligning with Russia, Iran, and China?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 26 2024 23:51 utc | 90

Good post, Love. Way to keep it in perspective. What were seeing is a moribund imperialist power.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 27 2024 3:41 utc | 93

@ Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 27 2024 3:41
@ Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 26 2024 23:51 utc | 90

“With what resources are they planning on enforcing its will on an Africa”

WITH BOOTS ON THE GROUND.

I’ve written it several times over the weeks - I can only repeat it - see that massive surge of ‘immigrants’ which suddenly came as a tsunami on the southern US borders? Which were not Latinos but Africans? Young men?
That’s how.

With stories of being put on planes in Africa and flown to the border areas to walk into America. Now just flown straight in too.
The ones being taken directly to New York and other towns?
Given all sorts of welcome gifts and housing and money as if they are being paid for having joined the US? Like they have contracts.
And not being allowed to talk to the media as they are ‘processed’ - do you not SEE?

That’s the recruitment of African boy soldiers and the isis factions who have already been mercenaries for US/western ‘interests’ in Africa. In massive numbers hundreds of thousands.

They are now being incorporated as US citizens - fast tracked and will become the proxy mercenary boots on the ground fighting their own people for the global robber barons. They’ll be crazed into Fascist ideology and let loose upon ‘their own people’s’ which will also include the current ISA-ians who might object to being enslaved in their own lands and think of rebelling and civil war.

and No one will care much about their bodies in bags. They won’t need bringing back to bury in Arlington.

Just imagine hundreds of thousands of young fit African men armed and trained and willing to fight.

I’ve been saying it regularly- Africa is the final frontier in the civilisational wars. We are set against China and RF, with their SCO partners, their BRI partners and even some of the sclerotic BRICS+ ‘partners’ ( I consider some to be traitorous moles in the cause of raising the masses) with all the Global South they are emancipating against all the Collective Wastes Banker Owners plans.

Why else are the unelected Blinken , unelected Yellen , unelected EU leaders , unelected Bankers playing at being our representatives and chest thumping - promising war unless that new world order capitulates back to their assigned role of being exploited and owned by the top of the chain self declared predators?

The End days of bunker mentality and secret weapons are upon us as our fascist world is suffocated by the noose we have been placed in over centuries.

Good. May our death throes be swift. Let the bankers and wealth holders , the blood money seekers and their dynasties be collapsed and pummelled into dust never to rise again. May the deluded African child soldiers being recruited to the US turn against their modern slave masters and remember their African selves and names. May they save their ancient souls and spirits and lead instead the Greatest Africa that is coming free from our slavery.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 27 2024 9:49 utc | 94

Or did you mean "can't see"? If so you should proofread since certain errors can affect the impression you make on your readers.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Apr 26 2024 12:14 utc | 69


Yeah, sorry, it was a TYPO .. meant to write CAN'T .... my bad. The context gives a big hint though.

fwiw Gene, Proofreading isn't fool proof either. But I feel sorry for the difficulties caused.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Apr 27 2024 11:02 utc | 95

It would have added to the discussion some background on how the US came to be there and when and at who's invitation. Also maybe an accounting of progress to purpose to date. Assuming that they were invited to be there, it seems reasonable that withdrawl should be planned (I think the analogy of renter and landlord is apt).

Seem a bit ironic the idea of the US there to eliminate ISIS.

It is my impression that in these modern/globalist/merchantile times the concept and practice of "representative" government has broken-down they now represent only themselves as embodying "the nation" while in fact their actions do not effectively serve the nation or its people and they are able to ensure that they and their like will continue in these representative positions. The people wish to be liberated by a tyrant rather than to continue with the formless tyrany of bureaucracy (and incompitence).

Posted by: jared | Apr 27 2024 11:03 utc | 96

Likely, Niger is just angling for an improved offer - as is proper, but a dangerous game.

... just trying to establish the price.

Posted by: jared | Apr 27 2024 11:11 utc | 97

5 years ago, one couldn't see a small Sahel state …

One hasn’t been paying attention to the region from 9/11 forward. All very predictable and the resistance has been gaining strength each year … primarily Sunni jihadists. Arab states were interested in parts of Africa for fertile agricultural land for food security … the US with listening posts for retaining grip on the countries’ leaders.

The decision for regime change in Libya opened the floodgates into Mali and neighbouring states. Key words | GSPC | Tuareg | Azawad declaration | AQIM |

Earlier writings …
* US and France on War Footing with Al Qaeda in Sahel | 27 July 2010 |
* Qatar and Saudi Arabia Financing Salafist Extremists in Mali and Sahel | 21 Jan 2013 |
* A Decade of US Special Ops in the Sahel-Maghreb 2003-2013 | 7 Feb 2013 |

El Para, the Maghreb’s Bin Laden | Feb 2005 |
https://mondediplo.com/2005/02/04algeria

The War on Terror as business model for the weapons industry … difficult times

Posted by: Oui | Apr 27 2024 11:38 utc | 98

Proofreading isn't fool proof either.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Apr 27 2024 11:02 utc | 95

So true! I always proofread to see if I anything out.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 27 2024 12:05 utc | 99

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 27 2024 12:05 utc | 99

LOL (smile)

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Apr 27 2024 12:22 utc | 100

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