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April 25, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-123
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Arab-Islamic Extraordinary Summit calls for sanctions against Israel
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/04/28/724537/Arab-Muslim-summit-Riyadh-Israel-war-crimes-sanctions
Posted by: JB | Apr 28 2024 17:37 utc | 401
@ PavewayIV | Apr 28 2024 17:31 utc | 399 with the follow up…thanks
I agree with your view of the potential iron fist and think we still will see more attempts at public suppression. I heard of rubber bullets being used and if someone or two die then the public response to police suppression could escalate.
We live in interesting times and I am just an observer reporting with my bias……I don’t know if there is/was any local (OSU) on-campus protest in support of Palestine and the local news is not reporting such but they are quite biased, I have observed, also.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 28 2024 17:43 utc | 402
Thank you Stonebird for pointing out to Qatar’s complicity. No questioning of these numbers on al jazeera for 2 months or more.
Posted by: Minaa | Apr 28 2024 17:46 utc | 403
U of O starts tomorrow Phychohistorian we will be working with CLDC I may go later as a protestor but she does not want us taking Our hat on and off
Posted by: Susan | Apr 28 2024 18:09 utc | 404
John Gilberts@369…..when Canada’s Asmbely of Grand Chiefs accepted the invitation to visit Occupied Palestine to see how badly off the squatters really were and how menacing the Palestinians were treating them I said oy fucking vey, no wonder youse got fucked over in Canada. Sometimes, just sometimes, you get what you deserve. Spades being what they are.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 28 2024 18:22 utc | 405
I have never seen this level of political activation. The confluence of technology and the death throws of colonialism provides the masses with the truth, clearing the fog of the information war.
All sides are revealed for all to see.
Posted by: Stonedar | Apr 28 2024 18:23 utc | 406
brit boots ukrainian boots usa usa boots norway and denmark boots not forget poolish poles the idf getting the goyim dumb soldier foreign mercenary to do the heavy lifting while the idf do tik tok dance videos.
little richi sunack like boris before him gonna get some tommy some limeys killed for globohomo klaus swabbing and chums.
hindu,muslim,gay polish now running london,scotland and dublin what a shoah lol lol
all wars are nazi wars just ask a nazi
Posted by: todd | Apr 28 2024 18:26 utc | 407
manhandling 73 year old Jill Stein
https://twitter.com/i/status/1784606760118235365
Posted by: ld | Apr 28 2024 18:34 utc | 409
US university kids do not want to be the next generation of the Empire SS, after they saw that both in Washington or in Brussels no one cares about the opinions of the Elders or whoever oppose the MIC. The MIC alliance with the macho cavemen willing to keep ruling the world with a spurious text (in various redux versions), a compilation that through ages has been made even more anti-women that it was when it started to be written in opposition to various cults of fertility where female divinities still had a crucial role. The narcissist cult was born and we are watching its lengthy death.
These kids belong to the elite. They have passed the pre-requisite to be there. Lots of them have “Jewish” background, but just like the Oscar-awarded Zone of interest authors, they reject this as manipulation.
Guess what? US elite kids are on the same page as the EU insiders who cannot accept the bilateral agreements helping the Zio state to pretend it is functioning normal and in a democratic way. These agreements have never been discussed democratically by any of the 27 parliaments. Probably 95% of the population do not even know they exist.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/three-hebrew-university-professors-awarded-top-eu-research-grants/
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/A-9-2023-0226_EN.html
https://www.euromesco.net/publication/euromed-survey-results-a-quick-survey-of-eu-israel-bilateral-relations-25-years-after-the-barcelona-process/
Posted by: Minaa | Apr 28 2024 18:42 utc | 410
I can’t believe the cognitive dissonance in these threads. On the Russia thread, people imagine that Putin is fighting globalsim, which is ridiculous. And on this Hamas thread, people cheer the college protests in America — funded by people like George Soros, a quintessential globalist.
In the first instance, Putin is actually a globalist extraordinaire. He has been friends with Klaus Schwab since 1992 and gave a special address to the WEF in 2021. Of course Putin is also beholden to China, thanks to the US sanctions, and Russia has for many decades conducted large military drills with China. Yet China is the ultimate globalist darling — an offshoring utopia, censorship utopia, and social credit score utopia.
In the case of Hamas, the neoliberal elite simply want to get rid of Netanyahu, they don’t really care about Israelis or Palestinians. Therefore, ranting about Israeli genocide and the knee-jerk worship of the Soros kids on campus, only empowers globalists.
Ironically, Russia’s bff, China casually practices real muslim genocide against the Uyghurs and has already genocided the Tibetans.
Posted by: Napoleon | Apr 28 2024 18:59 utc | 411
Long, very informative thread thanks to some valuable contributions from longtime barflies. Yes, the protests are global and growing. IMO, the Anti-Semitic ruse is done, kaput, killed by the Zionists actions for which there’s massive evidence. I should note the very solid connection between Egypt and Russia that went unmentioned. Russia’s MFA is in continuous contact with all the actors in this drama. The Zionists have captured themselves with their Genocidal Project now becoming the very vivid sole raison d’etre making them the equivalent of Hitlerian Nazis, which no excuse can hide.
Posted by: librul | Apr 28 2024 14:41 utc | 381
I’ve noticed that too. It’s the MO of the elite trolls.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Apr 28 2024 19:09 utc | 413
It looks like both partys seem to have the same hard line opinion on the protests.
And that 7 months from the election.
Viewing from the UK.
Can that be true.
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 28 2024 19:40 utc | 414
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/04/weekly-briefing-thank-god-for-the-students/
Posted by: crone | Apr 28 2024 19:43 utc | 415
Paveway IV @ 399
Being made to feel unelcome was very simple. Someone spotted me as an observer too sharp, too critical, decided to get rid of me. It felt like a pre-orgnized claque harassing me. There were many present who seemed like the real thing. Who was the general at the Commune in 1871 who ordered “Kill anyone with an intelligent face”? Same idea.
Johnny Dollar @ 391
Everyone knows the 60s Movement was not merely infiltrated, but directed, managed, staffed, by intelligence. It was a huge operation. By end of 60s we all knew it. It never really sank in for me until one day at end of 70s, maybe beginning 80s sitting at Mike James’ Heartland Cafê. There’s Mike sitting in a booth having lunch with Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. This is when they were ostensibly fugitives, underground, wanted. Bernie sitting there with her remarkable olive skin, same hairdo as ever, flaunting her decolletage as ever and wearing the trademark thigh-high black leather boots. Saw them there a few more times, when visiting Chicago they went to Heartland. You have to understand in that venue there would always be a few who knew who they were and there was never the faintest attempt to be incognito. Sometimes Franklin Rosemont and Mike Klonsky would join in and it was a Politburo meeting from the old days at 1608 West. Sitting at the bar drinking top shelf tequila while Michael serves up endless platters of oysters Rockefeller. They were rich, they were immune.
In 60s it did become a mass movement, a popular movement. Most of those attracted to the Movement were good people. And then the project was shut down.
Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 28 2024 19:46 utc | 416
Tuesday the ICJ published its judgement in the “aiding and abetting” a “plausible” genocidr lawsuit against the German gov’t.
All Barflies should closely follow the judgement. Big historic moment
Posted by: Exile | Apr 28 2024 19:58 utc | 417
US Presidential candidate arrested at anti-Israel protest — RT World News
Jill Stein of the US Green Party has been arrested at a pro-Palestinian rally at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri. Stein’s arrest came amid a nationwide crackdown on anti-Israel demonstrations.
Stein, her campaign manager, and her deputy campaign manager were among 100 people detained at a protest camp on Washington University’s campus on Saturday. Video footage shows the 73-year-old being led away from the camp by three police officers, her hands apparently bound behind her back with zip ties.
https://www.rt.com/news/596726-jill-stein-arrested-protest/
I am just the messenger.. if this story is true. its a travesty of free speech.
Posted by: snake | Apr 28 2024 20:01 utc | 419
Unreported by the AJE live…
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-iraq-qatar-and-uae-sign-transportation-deal-would-connect-gulf-europe
Posted by: Minaa | Apr 22 2024 20:51 utc | 25
Thanks for posting this report Minaa, due our hosts absence I was not able to reply in the old Palestine thread.
First a few words about the background: Middle East Eye is a platform sponsored by Muslim Brotherhood. Turkey is just a finger-push away from, financial bankruptcy. Qatar and Turkey play like a duo in Western Asian geopolitics. Both of them support Muslim Brotherhood faction vs Axis of Resistance faction in Hamas.
The UAE – Qatar – Irak – Turkey path is not a natural or realistic trade corridor.
I believe Axis of Resistance would file this as wishful thinking and be comfortable about the meeting and it’s outcome. The Tabu for them is the route connecting India – Dubai – Saudi – Jordan – Occupied Palestine to Europe (IMEC – India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor). They are going to simply sanction this corridor with all means.
Rumors saying that there is a sanction list agreed on by the Axis of Resistance containing names like
“New Med Energy”, “Elbit Systems”, “Zodiac Group” ++, in addition to Zionist affiliate agriculture and transportation business in Turkey and Jordan. (and of cource BTC pipeline)
Not only the Axis of Resistance but Also China, Egypt and Pakistan would not accept IMEC. Not because of thier humanitarian stand on the Palestinian Issue and the ongoing genocide but out of own economic/geopolitical interests.
Erdogan has a domestic dilemma since the Iranian attack against the Zionist Apartheid regime. “Turk Street” can see his lies. On one hand pretending to enforce “Export Sanctions” against Zionist regime and on the other hand delivering the data from “Incerlic” and “Kurecik” to the Zionist regime in order to help them defend themselves against Iran.
Worth reading, a tweet by Turkish exFM Ahmet Davutoğlu:
https://twitter.com/Ahmet_Davutoglu/status/1779271650686484528
(do machine translation yourself)
and this report by Times of Israil
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/erdogan-denies-turkish-radars-used-in-effort-to-down-iranian-missiles-headed-for-israel/
We are currently witnessing a lot of jumping up and down by US and other Western officials in Arab countries and specially Saudi Arabia. They have noticed that after the Iranian Attack, the equation has changed dramatically. Now there is not only pressure from the “Arab Street” but parts of the allowed Arab opposition and Arab military are not playing by the usual script. So they try to get something signed in Riyadh to calm down the situation.
Posted by: Framarz | Apr 28 2024 20:18 utc | 420
Posted by: Exile | Apr 28 2024 19:58 utc | 417
The ICJ will not deliver its judgment in the case Nicaragua – Germany, but its decision, Order, on provisional measures.
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/193/193-20240426-pre-01-00-en.pdf
These are the measures Nicaragua requested:
(1) Germany shall immediately suspend its aid to Israel, in particular its military assistance
including military equipment, in sor far as this aid may be used in the violation of the
Genocide Convention, international humanitarian law or other peremptory norms of
general international law such as the Palestinian People’s right to self-determination and
to not be subject to a regime of apartheid;
(2) Germany must immediately make every effort to ensure that weapons already delivered to
Israel are not used to commit genocide, contribute to acts of genocide or are used in such
a way as to violate international humanitarian law;
(3) Germany must immediately do everything possible to comply with its obligations under
humanitarian law;
(4) Germany must reverse its decision to suspend the funding of UNRWA as part of the
compliance of its obligations to prevent genocide and acts of genocide and the violation
of the humanitarian rights of the Palestinian People which also includes the obligation to
do everything possible to ensure that humanitarian aid reaches the Palestinian people, more
particularly in Gaza;
(5) Germany must cooperate to bring to an end the serious breaches of peremptory norms of
international law by ceasing its support, including its supply of military equipement to
Israel that may be used to commit serious crimes of international law and that it continue
the support of the UNRWA on which this Organizations has counted and based its
activities.
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/193/193-20240301-app-01-00-en.pdf
The judgment will be in a couple of years (at the earliest).
For example, in the South Africa-Israel case the Court has ordered SA to file its written pleadings by 28 October 2024, and Israel by 28 July 2025. No one knows when the hearings will be. The judgment comes after that.
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240405-ord-01-00-en.pdf
Posted by: JB | Apr 28 2024 20:28 utc | 421
The story about Jill Stein being manhandled at Washington University is true. I saw the video when George Galloway played it on his MOATS show a couple of hours ago.
I think that will drive up her percentages in the polls by several points.
Posted by: Lysias | Apr 28 2024 20:47 utc | 422
Jill Stein being assaulted with a police bicycle and then arrested also nullifies the lame Democracy vs Authoritarianism propaganda tropes which have been especially favoured by the Biden administration – and in a direct fashion which will be obvious even to mainstream news consumers.
Posted by: jayc | Apr 28 2024 21:15 utc | 424
Thanks Framarz. Yes, i had noticed that MEE was dubious.
Posted by: Minaa | Apr 28 2024 21:24 utc | 425
What adds to the travesty of the Jill Stein arrest is that she is Jewish.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 28 2024 22:22 utc | 426
fyi
bring on the indictments at the ICC against them all
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/internal-us-memo-suggests–israel–violating-int-l-law–reut
Internal US memo suggests ‘Israel’ violating int’l law: Reuters
According to Reuters, a combined statement from four bureaus – Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor; Population, Refugees, and Migration; Global Criminal Justice, and International Organization Affairs – expressed “serious concern” over “Israel’s” violations of international humanitarian law in the war on Gaza.
According to an internal State Department note acquired by Reuters, some top US officials have warned Secretary of State Antony Blinken that they do not find “credible or reliable” Israel’s assurances that it is deploying US-supplied weaponry in compliance with international humanitarian law.
Under a National Security Memorandum (NSM) issued by President Joe Biden in February, Blinken must report to Congress by May 8 on whether he believes “Israel’s” assurances that its use of US weaponry does not violate US or international law…..
Included were repeated strikes on civilian infrastructure and protected areas, “unconscionably high levels of civilian harm to military advantage”; barely investigating violations or holding those responsible for significant civilian harm accountable; and “killing humanitarian workers and journalists at an unprecedented rate.”…..
Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 28 2024 22:24 utc | 427
Menz 216 – Yea again we have radical, racist, fascist Israeli cabinet members waiving their Glocks at Palestinian civilians involved in a parking dispute in the multi ethnic/religious city of Jerusalem…Gvir is an idiot……but oh so normal in occupied Palestine…………..
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Apr 28 2024 22:31 utc | 429
Speaking of cognitive dissonance, there is plenty of it when someone is concerned of someone else’s cognitive dissonance and not concerned of one’s own which just mirrors somebody else’s.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 28 2024 22:35 utc | 430
Framarz 420
Baghdad has taken back control of Northern Iraqi Kurdistan’s oil because Barzani and Yaketi embezled the countries oil and other revenues and from 2014 only paid half wages to state employees like teachers and pensioners.
It’s fantastic news for Kurdistan that , with Arab support, Kurdistan’s oil revenues will be properly managed. This is an extremely significant goodwill gesture from Erdogan , and it unites Sunni, Shi’a, MB and other regional factions which US General Petraus sowed so many divisions between with his sectarian false flag market place and mosque terrorist bombings.
The Arab – Israeli trade transport deals need to be crushed completely in order for Palestine to get a level playing field over negotiations about every aspect of this horrendous genocide, the apartheid, the massacre of innocents, the oil rights off Gaza, the trade routes and the end to occupation and theft of Palestinian land.
Nothing personal, but this massive gesture of reconciliation by Erdogan builds on the exposure of Arab indifference to the Israeli genocide.
Best thing since sliced bread for Turkiyecand Kurdistan, thanks no doubt to Chinese peace- making.
Hopefully Saudi Arabia will start to feel ashamed of its desire to normalise with racist genociders.
I don’t know if I am more disgusted with Isael or Saudi Arabia when the SA Ambassador to Britain can only talk about “”” Normalisation “”” in the middle of the Israeli genocide.
Jesus AS wept, and a lot of other prophets besides, peace be on all of them.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 28 2024 22:37 utc | 431
Maybe its the wikipedia link I have tried to post this 4 times in the last 24 hours & it has failed everytime. I hope b is OK cos he cleans the spam trap out when he can but that and the lack of updates has me concerned.
anyway I shall take out the wiki link which I only used to prove how off the wall the claims about bolsheviks made here are, if wikipedia the most anti-socialist reference on the net won’t back them, it shows how out of it these xtian fascists infecting the site are.
This according to a wikipedia page titled “Lists of members of the Politburo of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union” awful anti-human, anti-socialist wikipedia is a list of all the members of the 4th, 5th & 6th Congresses of the Politburo of the Soviet Communist Party from the period August 1917 to 1918 which is the initial period of the Bolshevik revolution. These are the men and women who led that revolution.
I have gone to the hassle of researching each and every one merely because I’ve become increasingly bored of ignorant claims from xtian fascists that “80% of the Soviet Leadership were Jews or that the Soviets wiped out 20 million xtians. Incidentally while doing the research on the backgrounds of all these folk I was amused to note that even wikipedia that bastion of deceit and anti-Socialism had outrageously alleged that Mr Stalin had “700,000 executed between 1934 and 1939” Even wikipedia’s fervent imagination only takes the number to an exaggeration to 700,000 nothing like the 20 million xtians as was claimed on these pages.
The reason I decided to do this that was because it stuck out like dogs balls that the ignorant idiots making these silly claims provided no evidence just the usual xtian fascist gossip.
People who want to be believed here must be able to provide evidence of their claims. Lame shouting & lying just doesn’t cut it.
Anyway below is the make up of the members of the Congresses for the first three Politburo Congresses. Most went to all three so the total number of members is 11 only 3 of whom came from Jewish families
Andrei Sergeyevich Bubnov Russian Family
Felix Dzerzhinsky Russian Catholic family
Adolph Joffe Russian Tatar Family
Vladimir Milyutin Russian Family
Matvei Muranov Russian Family
Yakov Sverdlov Russian Jew Family
Grigory Sokolnikov Russian Jew Family
Joseph Stalin Georgian Family
Elena Stasova Russian Family
Moisei Uritsky Jewish Litvak Family
Stepan Shaumian Armenian Family
Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 28 2024 22:39 utc | 432
Some here who have expressed concern with regard to the current univ protests… that is whether or not they are organic and/or the amount of infiltration … may find today’s episode of George Galloway’s MOAT of interest or NOT
https://moats.tv/the-mother-of-all-talkshows/
Posted by: crone | Apr 28 2024 22:47 utc | 433
Napoleon | Apr 28 2024 18:59 utc | 411 …
Your criticism of Putin (liberal economics and friend of the WEF) is, unfortunately and disturbingly, valid … but the allegations against China are bullshit, and often symptomatic of someone being either a Neocon or knee-jerk “Trump” fanboy.
Meanwhile, the comment about the dissenting students and alleged Soros funding of their protest fails to take into account that Soros and Netanyahu thoroughly detest each other, and (thanks to very intensive mass-media spin not yet launched) it is Netanyahu in person rather than the entire Israeli political establishment that such (US) protests are likely to contribute towards toppling.
Posted by: Cynic | Apr 28 2024 22:49 utc | 434
Posted by: Gene Poole | Apr 27 2024 16:12 utc | 234
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“begs the question” actually means “avoids the question.”
The idea that it means “begs for the question”stems from a misunderstanding of the word “beg” and of the origins, in logical debate, of the original expression.
Posted by: Jane | Apr 28 2024 22:58 utc | 435
to Giyane #431 Thanks for the very significant information. I hope it holds true.
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Apr 28 2024 22:59 utc | 436
Thank you, oldhippie at 416. 🙂 You share with us concerns from the past that are real and we must be alert for as said traps:
Everyone knows the 60s Movement was not merely infiltrated, but directed, managed, staffed, by intelligence. It was a huge operation. By end of 60s we all knew it.
And in here I think you leave us a key potential to the solution. 🙂 Be ungovernable by intelligence. First defy infiltration, so note stereotypical glowie squares (e.g. why are athletic gys with cargo shorts & dress socks with brand new athletic shoes or work boots , and so insistent on wearing sunglasses here?). Second, refuse to tacitly accept direction, management, and staffing that is interested in making the protest unpeaceable and the focal point of attention over Palestine’s Suffering. Third, be greater than predictability, ergo be everywhere, all the time all at once, in every contestable space; volume, Volume, VOLUME! Fourth, no more “leaders” for cults of personality, we already have a Living Colour song that famously breaks down why one should not fall for that trap again. 🙂
Anything else you’d like to share from the ages to help this current one? =) I also want to say thank you for that historical anecdote. It does help connect many dots, just like discovering Gloria Steinhem was an intelligence asset. These tidbits help piece together the collective memory against institutional tricks. Remember, “Cult of Personality” song got it right in one stroke!
Off to share with The Little Bird Network! We sit on your shoulder and whisper to you sweet nothings! 😉 So much to tell, and all for free (well, birdseed and bugs, but y’know…)!
/flies away
/cheep cheep cheep
Posted by: titmouse | Apr 28 2024 23:12 utc | 437
Unimperator @ 372
The real reveal here is the lack of Iron Dome cover. Videos shows no air defense intercepts at all.
Posted by: Suresh | Apr 28 2024 23:12 utc | 438
What you are missing is that protesters want to earn their badge of courage. The protesters who remain after the cops yell into their megaphones “Ally ally out!” are people who want to make their point more seriously, and are not discouraged by an arrest or suspension from a university. More power to these determined people. By contrast, flash mobs can only disrupt a relatively small area for a short time. Both protest forms are good, though.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Apr 28 2024 15:26 utc | 389
An arrest can have long term effects. I would prefer the people on the right side of things aren’t sidelined by such things.
Someone mentioned “rubber bullets.”
We should stop using this term.
The projectile in a so-called “rubber bullet” is as hard as the heel on a boot.
They may be less lethal than an ordinary bullet, but they are not “non-lethal” which is the picture the word rubber creates.
These projectiles have blinded and killed a lot of people.
Firing one at someone at close range is using lethal force.
Posted by: Archetypex | Apr 28 2024 23:45 utc | 439
Posted by: Napoleon | Apr 28 2024 18:59 utc | 411
Do you get paid by the word, Miro2, or does being this much of a western shitlib just get you off?
Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 28 2024 23:46 utc | 440
https://twitter.com/i/status/1784262242277486701
Posted by: Memory Man | Apr 28 2024 12:10 utc | 368
Very helpful – thanks!!
Posted by: farm ecologist | Apr 29 2024 0:29 utc | 441
Posted by: farm ecologist | Apr 29 2024 0:29 utc | 441
this is an israeli prisoner of Hamas
He adresses Netenyahu in the video
he is 24 years old and was captured oct 7
the bombs dropped by israel killed 70 other captives
https://twitter.com/i/status/1783135612758855722
Posted by: ld | Apr 29 2024 0:37 utc | 442
Greens party US Presidential candidate JILL STEIN arrested at anti-Israel protest in Washington State
[…]
Police officers arrested hundreds of demonstrators in raids on 21 campuses on Wednesday, then hundreds more in similar sweeps on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. While this crackdown has been encouraged by mainstream Democrats and Republicans alike, they have been condemned by progressive leftists and libertarian-leaning members of the GOP.
Pro-Israel activists claim that the protests are anti-Semitic in nature, and that some demonstrators have openly expressed support for Hamas. In an effort to justify a police raid on a protest camp at Boston’s Northeastern University on Saturday, school authorities claimed that chants of “Kill the Jews” were heard at the encampment the night before. Pro-Palestinian demonstrators deny the allegation.
Stein is a Jewish-American activist, and a long-time critic of the state of Israel. She opposes the construction of Jewish settlements on Palestinian land, supports the BDS (Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions) movement, and has accused Israel of “genocide” in Gaza.
Stein ran for president of the US in 2012 and 2016, taking just over 1% of the popular vote in the 2016 contest with Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. In November, she announced that she would run for the White House again this year, promising environmental reforms and “a new foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, and human rights.”
https://www.rt.com/news/596726-jill-stein-arrested-protest/
And still next to no one will in the USA will Vote for her. That is the real reality there.
Kudos to Stein and all the others.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 29 2024 0:46 utc | 443
a lot of ugly conflations meant to sow that ol FUD.
Shirley the less genuous types are swift enough to cloak their measures between spoonfuls of sugar? I have faith that their sophistication is such that their messages are delivered in backhanded ways. Some of the easier tells though, are just ridiculous. Screen names that reek of right wing condescension/insults which not many people would resort to in earnest (IMO). Shout outs to fellow travelers who need some backup. Pointers and recommendations for click paid video commentators who really dont have anything special to offer in a world that is very tightly restricted in terms of content. tons of manure being moved though. Squint hard enough and you can see the turds pushing out between the lines.
Posted by: Not Ewe | Apr 29 2024 1:17 utc | 444
The Cradle has a posting up showing China stepping into the negotiation arena
China to host ‘Palestinian unity talks’ between Hamas, Fatah
https://thecradle.co/articles/china-to-host-palestinian-unity-talks-between-hamas-fatah
the quote
A senior official from Hamas says the group is willing to join a unified government for Gaza and the West Bank with Fatah on the condition of a ‘fully sovereign Palestinian state’
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 29 2024 2:02 utc | 445
These projectiles have blinded and killed a lot of people.
Firing one at someone at close range is using lethal force.
Posted by: Archetypex | Apr 28 2024 23:45 utc | 439
https://news.berkeley.edu/2024/03/21/more-than-120-protesters-blinded-by-iranian-agents-probe-confirms
Can’t recall the name but one of the four women who were at UN to testify regarding the crimes of IRI had her arm blown away below the elbow because the IRI thug fired off his gun at contact. She said “it was hanging by the skin”. She’s a beautiful young woman too, beautiful creature of God. Now the scumbags have sentenced a rapper to death.
All these regimes are criminal. Every single one.
Posted by: partypooper | Apr 29 2024 2:03 utc | 446
And still next to no one will in the USA will Vote for her. That is the real reality there.
Kudos to Stein and all the others.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 29 2024 0:46 utc | 443
She has some positions I like but is batshit crazy on a lot of others.
I appreciate her being on the right side of this issue, but I would never vote for her.
This year I will have four choices, and as usual it will be a write in.
Besides, there is no way in hell I’m ever voting for a member of the tribe.
Doesn’t matter really, our primaries and ballot access are controlled. Ship of state will sail in the same direction regardless.
Posted by: Archetypex | Apr 29 2024 3:03 utc | 447
What ‘tribe’ is Jill Stein a member of? The environmental tribe – surely not, even amerikan fascist leaning ignorati must be catching on to the fact that continual once in 100 year weather ‘events’ are occuring a lot more frequently than every 100 years.
The human tribe no, even idjits understand that they too are human.
Ah I know the tribe of people who follow an ancient superstition that is different to the ancient superstition the O.P. follows. Hmm surely he/she/it/they has noticed when it comes to sociopathic criminality xtians, buddhists, islamics, judeos all belong to that group in a % about the same as their % in total population, that neither race which incidentally judaism isn’t they are semites and there are many, many different religions practised by semites nor religion which judaism is, has no effect on a person’s behaviour, fer example consider the number of people the amerikan state kills every year with their gas chambers or poison injections who nearly all say they are xtian.
In other words it takes a particularly stupid mentality to refuse to vote for someone because you believe they belong to a particular tribe, that sort of thinking ended early in the 20th century in most parts of the world except amongst warmongers and their spruikers. Why? ‘cos we learned that race and religion are not determinants of behaviour; a mixture of genetic factors unspecific to race especially epigenetics which are believed a result of forebears’ environment and the environment of the individual determine behaviour. A person with a judaic heritage would be just as capable/incapable as anyone else. The fact that anyone capable of winning election to the presidency must be a sociopath has nothing to do with race or religion and everything to do with the character or rather lack of character of the oligarchy who more than 250 years ago designed and implemented amerika’s system of governance. It was designed by wealthy people to ensure their wealth increased at the masses expense.
There was a time when I was more sympathetic to the likes of O.P. seeing them as victims of indoctrination, however by now in 2024 there has been sufficient alternatives to the alleged facts they have been fed available for any of ’em who even have half a brain to suss this out for themself.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 29 2024 3:55 utc | 448
What ‘tribe’ is Jill Stein a member of? The environmental tribe – surely not, even amerikan fascist leaning ignorati must be catching on to the fact that continual once in 100 year weather ‘events’ are occuring a lot more frequently than every 100 years.
The human tribe imagine that even idjits understand that they too are human.
Ah I know the tribe of people who follow an ancient superstition that is different to the ancient superstition the O.P. follows. Hmm surely he/she/it/they has noticed when it comes to sociopathic criminality xtians, buddhists, islamics, judeos all belong to that group in a % about the same as their % in total population, that neither race which incidentally judaism isn’t they are semites and there are many, many different religions practised by semites nor religion which judaism is have no effect on a person’s behaviour, fer example consider the number of people the amerikan state kills every year with their gas chambers or poison injections who nearly all say they are xtian.
In other words it takes a particularly stupid mentality to refuse to vote for someone because you believe they belong to a particular tribe, that sort of thinking ended early in the 20th century in most parts of the world except amongst warmongers and their spruikers. Why? ‘cos we learned that race and religion are not determinants of behaviour; that a mixture of genetic factors unspecific to race especially epigenetics which are believed a result of forebears’ environment and the environment of the individual determine that so a person with a judaic heritage would be just as capable/incapable as anyone else. The fact that anyone capable of winning election to the presidency must be a sociopath has nothing to do with race or religion and everything to do with the character or rather lack of character of the oligarchy who more than 250 years ago designed and implemented amerika’s system of governance; it was designed by wealthy people to ensure their wealth increased at the expense of the hoi polloi. Things appear chaotic now because the corrupt system has cannibalised all before it and is reduced to consuming itself.
There was a time when I was more sympathetic to the likes of O.P. seeing them as victims of indoctrination, however by now in 2024 there has been sufficient alternatives to the alleged facts they have been fed available for any of ’em who even have half a brain to suss this out for themself.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 29 2024 4:03 utc | 449
I sure hope everything’s going to be okay with MoA. Germany is among the European countries making life quite difficult for honest folks like b. I’m crossing my fingers, and treasuring any further moments we’re privileged to share.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 28 2024 14:58 utc | 385
Thanks for this post, Aleph. I apologize for not understanding modern philosophy. I just can’t follow Wittgenstein. I did want to comment about some arguments that were going on about English usage — not sure who was using Shakespeare as an example of correctness. He really wasn’t, you know. He used words and phrases he’d invented in his plays, enriching the language thereby. If it sounded well, it caught on. Much as a dress designer might grab onto a fetching style or combine dazzling colors.
I have my own dislikes; can’t stand the word ‘utilize’, for instance. I think it sounds pompous as a replacement for the simple word ‘use’, but that’s probably just me. Somebody starts ‘utilizing’ in an oration and they’ve lost me. Nobody’s perfect.
Posted by: juliania | Apr 29 2024 4:03 utc | 450
Oops sorry about the double post which is completely my fault as since an earlier post got rejected I’ve been refreshing after posting to see if it stuck. I was too fast for the system to update it seems.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 29 2024 4:05 utc | 451
Is the WCC gonna use the Death Port on Monday? What does this portend?
Forbes
José Andrés’ World Central Kitchen Resumes Gaza Aid—4 Weeks After Deadly Strike Killed Staffers
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Apr 29 2024 4:09 utc | 452
The idea that it means “begs for the question”stems from a misunderstanding of the word “beg” and of the origins, in logical debate, of the original expression.
Posted by: Jane | Apr 28 2024 22:58 utc | 435
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Yep. Thanks.
Posted by: Gene Poole | Apr 29 2024 4:09 utc | 453
Below is a link to a 9 minute interview of Dr. Jill Stein after getting out of jail in St. Louis….
https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/1784710631100391771?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I continue to be impressed by this women and wish her all the backing and support thinking Americans can provide her…..I will get a sign for my front yard in support of her presidency.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 29 2024 4:43 utc | 454
Posted by: Archetypex | Apr 29 2024 3:03 utc | 447
Which of Jill Stein’s positions do you describe negatively, Archetypex?
I don’t agree with Lavrov’s Dog that “next to no one will in the USA will Vote for her”, nor that “that is the real reality there.” The real reality, if there is such a category, is that the voting system in the US is highly –shall we say ‘porous’,and people know it. What they do with that knowledge given how things presently are – that’s up for grabs I think. It’s too early for anyone to know.
There is a way to go yet, and I do wish she would be given much more respect as a presidential candidate. Both Biden and Trump ought to be defending her from such treatment. Last time she was not allowed into the debates, tied up, locked in a room. I voted for her as I had for Ralph Nader previously; those are votes I remember proudly. She is brave, and a good person. This country needs her. She would bring in a team of advisors, has them already, that would work hard for all citizens. Not grifters, not carpetbaggers.
What is not to like, people?
Posted by: juliania | Apr 29 2024 4:50 utc | 455
@ juliania | Apr 29 2024 4:03 utc | 450
Another confession: my willingness to play grammar Nazi was partly motivated by simple-minded anger with someone I interpreted as disrespecting young folks. Now that I see what happens, I’ve learned my lesson and promise to never do it again.
How about this? I promise to swear off grammar commentary forever if only b would report for duty. Now I’m bargaining with God (or Whomsoever) as usual…
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 29 2024 5:04 utc | 456
@ juliania | Apr 29 2024 4:50 utc | 455 who supports Jill Stein…good
Go watch the interview I linked to above and tell me what you would be like after 4-5 hours in jail…impressive composure and ability to be on message.
Will they give her security protection after her nomination?….does she want it?
I think she will be an inspiration to many youth as they are looking for leadership like her.
Again I put my prognostications out there that both Ukraine and Occupied Palestine will surrender or stop action by August and the remaining political landscape prior ro November will favor Jill Stein.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 29 2024 5:09 utc | 457
If i was american i would support Jill Stein right now.
No explaination given.
Hat thrown into ring.
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 29 2024 5:36 utc | 458
All sides are revealed for all to see.
Posted by: Stonedar | Apr 28 2024 18:23 utc | 406
Well said. The colonialists created the technological and communications rope with which they are now being hanged.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 29 2024 5:47 utc | 459
She said “it was hanging by the skin”. She’s a beautiful young woman too, beautiful creature of God. Now the scumbags have sentenced a rapper to death.
All these regimes are criminal. Every single one.
Posted by: partypooper | Apr 29 2024 2:03 utc | 446
I’m sorry, I’m too busy weeping for the Palestinian kid who’s head was blown off to weep for the Iranian chick whose arm was blown off.
Perhaps when I’m done cursing ‘Israel ‘ for it’s criminality I could move on to the case of Iran …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 29 2024 5:52 utc | 460
It’s fantastic news for Kurdistan that , with Arab support, Kurdistan’s oil revenues will be properly managed. This is an extremely significant goodwill gesture from Erdogan , and it unites Sunni, Shi’a, MB and other regional factions which US General Petraus sowed so many divisions between with his sectarian false flag market place and mosque terrorist bombings.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 28 2024 22:37 utc | 431
Not sure what you are talking about. Turkey was and still is the main point of transit for Daesh into Syria and Irak. The oil from Iraki Kurdistan and East Syria are still being smuggled to Turkey before it’s distribution to customers like Zionist regime. This is a fact documented many times, check RT reports in this connection for instance. Iraki population just like Syrians have been terrorized by Erdogan’s regime not only by military means but also by losing their fair part of water resources in the region.
So, no! I don’t see any constructive contribution by Erdogan to unite Shia, Sunni and others against Imperialist occupying force in either Irak or Syria. Maybe you are confused. May be you mix him with General Ghasem Soleymanni. Those people uniting Muslims, Christians, Yezidi and seculars in popular resistance movements against Imperialism and Zionism have a short life in West Asia, and they know that just like Soleymani or those killed in Iran’s embassy in Damascus knew it.
Have you checked the reactions after Biden “uninvited” Erdogan to visit him in USA? It says a lot about a person who volunteer to kiss Yankee ass and is not allowed to do it.
Turkish analysts ask if Yankee can “uninvite” us after we agreed to allow Sweden in the Nato, then what have we got for our efforts?
https://ilkha.com/english/world/us-official-denies-scheduled-visit-for-turkish-president-erdogan-to-the-united-states-390041
Posted by: Framarz | Apr 29 2024 6:02 utc | 461
460 arch . Yes I think very similar stories came from yellow vests protests in France. But no one cared to denounce the police as being fascist heavy handed. It was just democracy in action
Posted by: Hankster | Apr 29 2024 6:06 utc | 462
Re Pepe Escobar’s revelation that Russia shot down the F35 and thwarted Israel’s planned nuclear armed EMP attack. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Is it possible an EMP attack can be achieved without nuclear detonation via new top secret technology?
Posted by: Willow | Apr 29 2024 6:12 utc | 463
We’re Jewish students at Columbia arrested for protesting Israel’s war
……When we accepted our admissions letters to Columbia University, we never expected to be marched out of our school in zip ties by the NYPD. But that is what happened last week, after hundreds of pro-Palestinian Columbia students came together on the campus lawn to form what organizers named the Gaza Solidarity Encampment.
We joined the encampment because Columbia funnels money that should be spent on our education into companies that build machines to kill, maim and displace our Palestinian siblings. The encampment will continue until students, faculty and alumni force the university leadership, who do not represent our community, to sever these financial ties.
As Jews, we are also obligated to practice the values we learned at synagogue and in the Torah, which counsel the value of all life and the preciousness of freedom.
At a young age, we were taught the importance of tikkun olam, repairing the world. Each night when we say the Shema, for those of us who practice, we are reminded of our solemn vow to uphold God’s will on this earth. We exhort ourselves to remain steadfast in our mission to root out the cycles of violence and hatred that have plagued our people, and the world, for millennia. Pesach, which began on Monday, reminds us that liberation demands sacrifice but is always worth the cost. ……
https://thehill.com/opinion/education/4626720-were-jewish-students-at-columbia-arrested-for-protesting-israels-war/
Posted by: Exile | Apr 29 2024 6:22 utc | 464
Is it possible an EMP attack can be achieved without nuclear detonation via new top secret technology?
@ Willow | Apr 29 2024 6:12 utc | 463
Possible? It’s possible (maybe?) to transpond a samovar (mid-brew!) from Montgomery to Moscow, “via new top secret technology.” Incidentally, the line “Beam me up, Scotty” never appears in any Star Trek episode, as it happens. Roddenberry’s idea has never been entirely dismissed. After all, Captain Kirk’s body is an elaborate matrix of molecular information with which disassembly is easily achieved. The tricky bit is reassembly, back aboard the Starship Enterprise; that would be a terrible time for a system hang, for sure.
I’m hoping against hope that stopping the Gaza Holocaust will become more likely than technological breakthroughs like that. I’ve never seen social change like what we need, but I’ve also never seen unrest like what we have.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 29 2024 6:36 utc | 465
Short OT …
Posted by: Gene Poole | Apr 27 2024 16:12 utc | 234
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“begs the question” actually means “avoids the question.” { Nope! Maybe, see ref }
Posted by: Jane | Apr 28 2024 22:58 utc | 435
@ juliania | Apr 29 2024 4:03 utc | 450
AND
Aleph_Null | Apr 29 2024 5:04 utc | 456
And I do feel bad for Aleph_Null at this point. You have my sympathies … and I offer up this little snippet in good faith wish for healing (smile)
Quote: “In each of these, ‘beg the question’ means “to cause someone to ask a specified question as a reaction or response.” What’s the beg about? Why isn’t it “elicit the question” or “raise the question”?”
AND
“Liberman recommends that people avoid it altogether (but also “cultivate an attitude of serene detachment in the face of its use by others”).”
with added examples of use/misuse …. and what the real meaning is in logical fallacies use of “begging the question” = “assume the conclusion.”
A good read for sure ….
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/beg-the-question
Which, begs the question, ahem, why is it so fascinating a thing? Cheers LD 😉
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 29 2024 6:49 utc | 466
OT – why do strict grammar rules exist at all ?
It’s my understanding that strict grammar rules were only really codified in the mid-19th century. Why ?
Hmmm
Posted by: Exile | Apr 29 2024 6:55 utc | 467
@ Aleph_Null 465
Indeed technology already exists that allows non nuclear EMP attacks. Without the nuclear aspect to the story, Pepe Escobar’s revelation is more plausible. Link below the cut and paste.
“Non-nuclear electromagnetic pulses
Focusing in on NNEMPs, these weapons are much less powerful, ranging from hundreds of meters of effectiveness up to several kilometers. These much more targeted ranges and effects make NNEMPs highly effective non-life-threatening military weapons. In other words, they can do significant damage to a localized region without affecting structures or human life. The way that NNEMPs are traditionally delivered to a target is rather unique, though. It’s not through a vehicle carrying a NNEMP device, but rather there are NNEMP missiles and bombs that are mounted to aircraft and drones. For example, Boeing has built and effectively tested the CHAMP missile. https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/what-are-emps-and-how-are-they-used-in-warfare
Posted by: Willow | Apr 29 2024 6:57 utc | 468
I don’t agree with Lavrov’s Dog that “next to no one will in the USA will Vote for her”, nor that “that is the real reality there.”
Posted by: juliania | Apr 29 2024 4:50 utc | 455
juliania, IN normal discussion circles involving well adjusted everyday people, when has 1% (or less) of the vote NOT mean “next to no one will in the USA will Vote for her”?
Please explain your yardsticks why you disagree with such a simple linguistic analogy / metaphor / cultural turn of phrase being incorrect or so unacceptable to you to grasp my obvious intended meaning? I’m befuddled by your rejection and disagreement. TY
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 29 2024 6:57 utc | 469
I have also felt sick each time i ve heard “normalization” in the last few months but it plays two parts: 1) if indeed a wider war should begin, not let the adversary on which side ksa will ne and 2) showing to the world that the whole aim of the zio is to force ksa hand in normalizing, but once the brotherhood has ben put back in the game. The divide between ksa/eg and qatar/turkey is very clear and has put the situation back to 2011 with the US sponsored attempt to place political islam at the centre.
Simply because they cannot justify their own jewish and christian obscurantism if they dont find a weaker player to manipulate. Plus the added bonus of maintaining muslim countries in a mess because political islam claims to universality is fake and corresponds to local and cultural factors each time, and that these vary widely from one place to the other.
Posted by: Minaa | Apr 29 2024 7:02 utc | 470
Re Pepe Escobar’s revelation that Russia shot down the F35 and thwarted Israel’s planned nuclear armed EMP attack. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Is it possible an EMP attack can be achieved without nuclear detonation via new top secret technology?
Posted by: Willow | Apr 29 2024 6:12 utc | 463
I remember when US assassinated General Ghasem Soleymani, Iran promised retaliation against US forces in West Asia. As a reaction to the Iranian promise, Trump made a statement and said that if Iran retaliate then US is going to give Iran a devastating answer by bombing 52 sites including sites of Iranian cultural heritage.
So, Iran delivered the promise in Eyn-al-Asad and hours later Trump had a new statement. Watch that video again. Doors open, Trump have difficulty to walk on his own feet to the desk, then while he grasp air to breath, he deliver a statement saying that Iranian retaliation was nothing serious, only few GI Joes got brain-damaged and US see no reason to escalate the conflict.
It’s the same story with Iran’s promised retaliation to the Zionist regime. First they said it was nothing and 99% of drones didn’t damage anything. Then they said Iran gonna get a devastating answer. Then they used 3 Pizza-delivery drones to drop some bombs near a military installation. The story would end here if Ben Gvir hadn’t tweeted that single word (perhaps the car-accident was his punishment for tweeting that word).
So PR Agent Pepe Escobar famouse for his talented work to promote Chinese narratives is framed and the world is warned about the devastating power of the almighty Zionist regime. Go home people, go home and sleep well. Spare your pop corn for a real event, no nuke or EMP device is lost in a desert near Jordan.
PS!
About those few GI Joe getting brain-damaged in Eyn-al-Asad, here is an update:
https://www.mintpressnews.com/dod-covered-up-deaths-us-special-forces-soldiers-2020-iran-strike-us-airbase/287009/
Posted by: Framarz | Apr 29 2024 7:04 utc | 471
Jackson Hinkle 🇺🇸
@jacksonhinklle
💔🇵🇸 ISRAEL BOMBED a Gaza food aid facility in Rafah.
https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1784790103698616452
Posted by: Menz | Apr 29 2024 7:46 utc | 472
Sulaiman Ahmed
@ShaykhSulaiman
HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF
https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1784552895087579429
Posted by: Menz | Apr 29 2024 7:46 utc | 473
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 29 2024 5:09 utc | 457
Way back in the day, psychohistorian, a friend gave me a very nice “We are the 99 percent” sign. It has still a black “OXi!” painted on it as well, (for the Greek referendum),and on the reverse is “Jill Stein”. My great-great grandkids will fight over it as my only valuable historical legacy I hope some day.
Lavrov’s Dog, I do agree that probably only a few in my neck of the woods voted for her in that election, but you are prognosticating (I thought) on real reality for the coming one. I think we can agree to disagree since it hasn’t happened yet, so it isn’t real reality for that reason to me.
That’s my yardstick, for what it’s worth, (which may not be much.) Boy, it’s late here – best wishes, b!
Posted by: juliania | Apr 29 2024 8:09 utc | 474
So PR Agent Pepe Escobar famouse for his talented work to promote Chinese narratives
Posted by: Framarz | Apr 29 2024 7:04 utc | 471
If indeed something positive happens in Gaza, it may well be in part thanks to China, who knows. What may have provoked China into action is the completely tone-deaf conference on the genocide of the Uyghurs one of the Wiesels organized in NYC the other day and Blinken’s equally tone-deaf sequel.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 29 2024 8:45 utc | 475
I don’t know if I am more disgusted with Isael or Saudi Arabia when the SA Ambassador to Britain can only talk about “”” Normalisation “”” in the middle of the Israeli genocide.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 28 2024 22:37 utc | 431
I don’t get this. All the talk of Saudi-Israeli “normalisation” comes from Israeli or Israeli-supporting sources. It is all a big Israeli talking point; naturally SA is not going to exclude the possibility, if and only if their condition of a Palestinian settlement is met (which of course it is not going to be).
Posted by: laguerre | Apr 29 2024 9:16 utc | 476
it’s the US eresponsibility, says Egypt FM
you cant ask the rest of the world to go secular when you promote apocalyptic cavemen
https://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/1234/522745/Egypt/Foreign-Affairs/Only-US-can-break-violence-cycle-in-Gaza-Egypt-FM-.aspx
Posted by: Minaa | Apr 29 2024 10:24 utc | 477
Posted by: Gene Poole | Apr 27 2024 16:12 utc | 234
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“begs the question” actually means “avoids the question.”
The idea that it means “begs for the question” stems from a misunderstanding of the word “beg” and of the origins, in logical debate, of the original expression.
Posted by: Jane | Apr 28 2024 22:58 utc | 435
You are right Jane:
“‘Beg the question’ is a phrase from formal logic—it’s a 16th century translator’s rendering of Aristotle’s ‘petitio principii’. A better translation would have been “assume the conclusion.”” (1)
1. https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/beg-the-question
So we have some more information regarding the pier going to be built.
Alekstilal reports on the floating pier:
The commercial planning for the floating port will be undertaken by the American company Fogbow, a consultancy firm comprising former officials from the U.S. Department of Defense and the Central Intelligence Agency, in addition to former officials from the United Nations.
Fogbow’s Vice President, Mick Mulroy, specialized in maritime operations at the Special Activities Center of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.
According to information about Fogbow, it has operated as a private limited company in England since early June 2010, engaging in management consulting activities apart from financial management.
Three sources who spoke to the British Reuters agency, said that the expected cost of the commercial maritime project is around $200 million for a period of six months, with one source estimating the cost at around $30 million monthly.
Fogbow Logistics Services is currently engaged in securing the financial cost from countries until the plan comes to fruition.
The project will allow for the delivery of approximately 200 containers of aid, equivalent to the cargo of ONE truck, to Gaza daily.
Clearly NOT about delivering aid.
Posted by: Hankster | Apr 29 2024 10:40 utc | 479
200 – 20ft containers would be equal to 100 Tractor trailer trucks. Confused here.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 29 2024 11:06 utc | 480
I’m sorry, I’m too busy weeping for the Palestinian kid who’s head was blown off to weep for the Iranian chick whose arm was blown off.
Perhaps when I’m done cursing ‘Israel ‘ for it’s criminality I could move on to the case of Iran …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 29 2024 5:52 utc | 460
That is because your heart ins’t big enough. Maybe it’s not even a real heart.
All of you come here constantly bitching about injustice yet your “little hearts” are “too busy” to see the elephant in the other rooms.
Some other moron mentioned Soleimani “uniting” armed gangs. Same Soleimani was in charge of the previous brutal crackdown on “free speech” in that shit hole called IRI. and his friends in Iran should first try and “unite” their nation but alas no. “too busy” caring for some far flung people while they murder and do unspeakable evil to their own countrymen.
I on the other hand see clearly that all of these regimes are evil. And I am upset for all human beings being brutalized. I don’t pick side. My heart is not “too busy”. And I will not delay speaking up against injustice “until my team wins”.
> chick
You are a piece of shit, Arch Bungle. It is called a woman, not a chick.
Posted by: pooponyou | Apr 29 2024 11:52 utc | 481
Al-Qassem SitRep
…..“Al-Qassam fighters lured a mechanized zionist force and trapped it in a mine ambush using explosive devices and F16 rockets that were fired at civilians but did not explode on Al-Sikka Street, in the Al-Mughraqa area in the central Gaza Strip,” the Brigades said in a statement. ……
Ohttps://www.palestinechronicle.com/ambush-and-shelling-al-qassam-brigades-announce-resistance-operations-in-gaza/#
Comment: 2 brigades of IDF weekend warriors were sent in to relive the battered Nahal brigade. 1 infantry and 1 mechanized brigade. Apparently, Al-Qassem quickly pounced on the mech. Unit.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 29 2024 12:25 utc | 483
Here are some ideas for keeping the campus protests going over the summer break and song lyrics from Richard and Mimi Farina.
https://znetwork.org/znetarticle/beat-the-bold-marauder-ceasefire-summer-education-summer-freedom-summer-or-liberation-summer/
Posted by: Chas | Apr 29 2024 12:58 utc | 485
Posted by: juliania | Apr 29 2024 4:50 utc | 455
Don’t you remember her saying quantitative easing was a magic trick and you didn’t need to know how it worked, is just a trick?
Haven’t we had enough pols tricking us?
Her ideas of paying for universal health care through medical cost savings of “green energy” are ludicrous.
Universal free education without limits or testing out is an endless money pit, almost as bad as buying a boat!
These are starters.
Her platform is a dogs breakfast of poor choices that will do no good at exorbitant expense.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 29 2024 4:03 utc | 449
The religion and tribe you were reared in affect your psychology and thought. They don’t necessarily determine a particular outcome but the influence is there.
I’ve had enough of that tribe. Also had enough of the other major ones.
Not supporting any of them anymore.
Don’t care if you think it’s unwise.
They’ve all had their chance and I’m not happy with the results.
Posted by: Archetypex | Apr 29 2024 13:10 utc | 486
pooponyou | Apr 29 2024 11:52 utc | 481
*** I on the other hand see clearly that all of these regimes are evil. And I am upset for all human beings being brutalized. I don’t pick side. My heart is not “too busy”. And I will not delay speaking up against injustice “until my team wins”.***
Fuck off with your totally fake universal “concern” — that slime encrusted Israeli/NATO propaganda technique is by now well past its sell-by date.
Posted by: Cynic | Apr 29 2024 13:33 utc | 487
Important the discussion on Qatar, KSA Turkey Egypt and region… thanks.
Thanks Old Hippie.
Will link this again
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
As it is reporting many various statements on ceasefire etc. Read any “optimism” with caution because of the difference between temporary ceasefire and regional truce.
Posted by: Ornot | Apr 29 2024 13:34 utc | 488
You are a piece of shit, Arch Bungle. It is called a woman, not a chick.
Posted by: pooponyou | Apr 29 2024 11:52 utc | 481
Oh no, triggered!
Posted by: Archetypex | Apr 29 2024 13:55 utc | 489
titmouse @ 437
Thank you. I will say here I know any number of people who will insist they believe nothing fed them by MSM. They broke off all contact with MSM years ago. And then they recite the official narrative verbatim.
Current protests began and became large instantly. Like someone turned a spigot on. That is more than suspicious. Also worth noting the protests are centered around top elite universities. Which have all been wildly quiet and establishment strongholds for a very long time. The news media on the story instantly. News media never report anything unless it is officially sanctioned. They ignore massive events routinely if it does not fit the narrative.
Way upthread poster (was it psychohistorian?) mentions a protest in Corvallis that drew 60 or 70 people. I can believe that. This in a metro area of about 100,000 in a place that you would expect to see a lot of non-conformists. The report here sounds like a wonderful time was had by all. Glad to hear that. That any major elite university has 10 or 20% of the community ready to burn down the house is absurd.
Don’t believe absurdities. Those who believe absurdities are willing to commit trocities.
Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 29 2024 13:56 utc | 490
Old Hippie,
The youth of today are incredibly well connected across the inter webs. Note that only 14% of 18-29 year olds support genocide.
A few degrees of seperation plus instant communication plus 6 months of genocide = some real passion.
It’s not like in our day when when had to collect coins and use the pay phone down the hall or hand write letters and mail them USPS.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 29 2024 14:29 utc | 492
You are a piece of shit, Arch Bungle. It is called a woman, not a chick.
Posted by: pooponyou | Apr 29 2024 11:52 utc | 481
OH!? OHHHH!? .. We know our genders NOW DO WE!!! 🙂
Well, if the term “chick” has the power to shake people back into their regular gender roles then “CHICK” to you, mofo!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 29 2024 14:31 utc | 493
That is because your heart ins’t big enough. Maybe it’s not even a real heart.
Posted by: pooponyou | Apr 29 2024 11:52 utc | 481
Tell us about dead Palestinian kids, poop?
Show us how big your heart is.
Go on, I’ll wait …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 29 2024 14:33 utc | 494
Below are the words below a sickening photo shot from Reuters
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken attends the U.S.-Arab Quint Meeting with representatives from Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and the Palestinian Authority, at the Four Seasons Hotel in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, April 29, 2024. REUTERS/Evelyn Hockstein/Pool
These poor quislings from the ME might lose their status and they are pearl clutching….and their desperation message
US, Britain urge Hamas to accept Israeli truce proposal
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 29 2024 14:42 utc | 495
You are a piece of shit, Arch Bungle. It is called a woman, not a chick.
Posted by: pooponyou | Apr 29 2024 11:52 utc | 481
You just called a woman, “it”. You should have said, “she is a woman”, not “it is called a woman”. I think most would agree that a calling a woman “it” is worse than calling a woman a “chick”. Does that make you an even bigger shit?
Posted by: AndyYorkshire | Apr 29 2024 15:03 utc | 496
“You are a piece of shit, Arch Bungle. It is called a woman, not a chick.
Posted by: pooponyou | Apr 29 2024 11:52 utc | 481
You just called a woman, “it”. You should have said, “she is a woman”, not “it is called a woman”. I think most would agree that a calling a woman “it” is worse than calling a woman a “chick”. Does that make you an even bigger shit?”
Posted by: AndyYorkshire | Apr 29 2024 15:03 utc | 496
Yes, poopoonyou’s(“It”) is much worse is worse than Archie’s; my 55 years old wife, still attractive, get’s called a ‘chick’ once in a while and she finds it a compliment.
AndyYorkshire @ 495
Theirs only one explaination.
Poops women must be a bliw up sex doll.
Explains every thing.
Poop’s very sensitive about his rubber dolls feelings.
He gave the game away with th ‘it’
Oops poops
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 29 2024 15:09 utc | 498
“Old Hippie,
The youth of today are incredibly well connected across the inter webs. Note that only 14% of 18-29 year olds support genocide.
A few degrees of seperation plus instant communication plus 6 months of genocide = some real passion.
It’s not like in our day when when had to collect coins and use the pay phone down the hall or hand write letters and mail them USPS.”
Posted by: Exile | Apr 29 2024 14:29 utc | 492
When I was a student at University in Toronto in the early eighties my mother was living in England. Then , as now, I was violently anti-war and through connections I discovered General Dynamics ‘code’ for dialing long distance so I used it for months talking half an hour or longer at the time talking to Mom. . Then long distance calls were incredibly expensive.
About 5 months later FBI agents swarmed the public booth at the residence that I used- looking for the perpetrator-they had dialed my Mother up and she couldn’t remember who was calling her from Toronto as she claimed to be suffering from dementia.
They asked me and my fellow roommates who it was-I said that I saw a bearded older Indian guy at the booth who didn’t belong to our floor.
They had me do a help them make a sketch of the fellow-that was the end of my free calls.
If indeed something positive happens in Gaza, it may well be in part thanks to China, who knows.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 29 2024 8:45 utc | 475
Come on, give me a break. It’s almost as much a nonsense as the statement by the hasbara kid announcing to have a universal big heart and at the same time call a country with 80+ million population a “shit hole”.
Talented PR Agents like Escobar delivered those fantastic fairy tales of “a multipolar world” to the international public and what are we witnessing in the last 200 days? Russia and China’s contribution to stop genocide are limited to lip services in UNSC. Even a charlatan like Erdogan at least pretend to enforce “Boycott of Zionist Apartheid regime”.
Yemen, Hezbollah, South Africa, Nicaragua and even a Qatari-controlled News Network have done much more for Gaza then the two permanent members of the UNSC, China and Russia!
Posted by: Framarz | Apr 29 2024 15:14 utc | 500