From Reuters in support of my thousand cuts perspective on protests…. size is not as important as how many
Protests greet Biden at annual White House correspondents’ dinner
Police arrest scores of pro-Palestinian protesters on US university campuses
And protests are happening all around the world. Do barflies believe that the elite don’t see that?
I believe that structural social change like ridding humanity of the global private finance jackboot is possible now where in the past it was a literal pipe dream for me. The sleeping mass of humanity is rustling and demanding change. I don’t think they will settle for a worse form of social organization than the current God Of Mammon cult structured Western world.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 28 2024 0:26 utc | 303

Terrible news. Guinea-Bissau, whose flag was being flown by two of the ships in the new Gaza Freedom Flotilla, including the lead ship Akdeniz, has denied the flotilla permission to sail.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 28 2024 0:34 utc | 305

Columbia university.
Here’s a donor’s list , not complete , but you can already see the top 10 is swayed in a certain direction.
https://www.giving.cuimc.columbia.edu/ways-give/planned-giving/meet-our-donors
Then that tax deductible philanthropy is turned into profit by investments in Israel, its a win win for a Zionist to fund pet projects tax free to add some icing. No wonder the admin is not going to budge and has no issue showing brutality to the world. Usually admin weighs reputational loss into negotiations but it seems not this time. All the major players are holding the Zionist line , even Netanyahu asked for the students to be suppressed and got it.

Posted by: Hankster | Apr 28 2024 0:38 utc | 307

@ Don Firineach | Apr 27 2024 23:30 utc | 296, 297
Thanks for putting up with this language digression, for which I apologize, as I do agree the Palestine thread should stay focused on Palestine (at least through the first 300 posts or so). Living languages constantly evolve. People who write usage guides aren’t resisting change so much as attempting (in vain!) to preserve expressiveness. Somebody has to take note of how the language used to work, anyhow, if you want to understand Dickens, for instance. If you don’t care about books that old, then forget about it.
As to Wittgenstein, he’s been my mathematical logic bete noir since I was in knee pants. Son of a gun threw his mother down the stairs, for crying out loud, and some poor confused folks rate him a philosopher of note. Meh!

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 28 2024 1:19 utc | 309

ICJ to announce/respond to Nicaragua vs.Germany… arms to Israel case on Tuesday
April 30th.
Will respond to request for provisional considerations.
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/world/2024/04/27/icj-to-rule-tuesday-on-claim-germany-facilitating-gaza-genocide/
GENEVA: The International Court of Justice (ICJ) on Friday announced that it will rule Tuesday on a case accusing Germany of facilitating genocide in Israel’s months-long offensive on the Gaza Strip, as reported by Anadolu Agency (AA).
“On Tuesday (April 30), the International Court of Justice will deliver its Order on the Request for the indication of provisional measures submitted by Nicaragua in the case concerning Alleged Breaches of Certain International Obligations in respect of the Occupied Palestinian Territory,” the court said in a statement.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 28 2024 1:33 utc | 311

# Anyone know what those Isra€li r€servists are on?
Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 27 2024 23:51 utc | 299
Probably Meth, wish someone in procurement mixed things up and ordered 3,4 metilenodioximetanphetamine for them…

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 28 2024 1:42 utc | 313

Apparently, the Nicaragua vs. Germany case is Russia’s fault.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-behind-nicaragua-s-shock-legal-move-against-germany-over-gaza/ar-AA1nEUPe
Highlight: “Russia is believed to have influenced the Nicaraguan government, with which it has close ties, to invoke the 1948 Genocide Convention in prosecuting Germany at the International Court of Justice. Politico’s sources, including Western intelligence officials and diplomats, indicate that this action likely occurred at Moscow’s behest.”
Germany restores UNRWA Funding April 24th:
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/gaza-aid-germany-to-resume-unrwa-funding-following-review/
Gaza Aid – Germany to Resume UNRWA Funding Following Review
April 24, 2024 Blog, News

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 28 2024 1:54 utc | 315

Norman Ohler’s “Der Totale Rausch” is about how Wehrmacht soldiers were on meth. (Don’t tell anybody, but US soldiers were too.)

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 28 2024 2:20 utc | 317

The oldest spoken languages in Europe are Basque and Welsh.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Apr 28 2024 0:07 utc | 301
Think ‘Irish [Gaelic]’is up there as well …
Wish to listen to some? Here you are https://www.tg4.ie/ga/

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 28 2024 2:24 utc | 319

“Terrible news. Guinea-Bissau, whose flag was being flown by two of the ships in the new Gaza Freedom Flotilla, including the lead ship Akdeniz, has denied the flotilla permission to sail.”
Posted by: Lysias | Apr 28 2024 0:34 utc | 305
In my view, it’s excellent news.
Another Israeli mistake.
They have successfully pissed off even more international people and nations.
Just like Nuttyahoo’s address about college campus “crack down” idiocy did.
Just like all globalist, they live in a bubble, it’s 1982 for the Nuttyahoo’s.
They will “re-flag” and be on their way… they WILL NOT be stopped this time.
Who steps up for re-flagging?? Unknown… Yemen? lol, but seriously, guessing Indonesia or Malaysia. I don’t know, but some Nation will.
These ladies are pretty inflexible and determined to see it through.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 28 2024 2:37 utc | 321

Probably Meth, wish someone in procurement mixed things up and ordered 3,4 metilenodioximetanphetamine for them…
Posted by: Newbie | Apr 28 2024 1:42 utc | 313
With maybe some Fenethylline and a healthy dash of Lysergic acid diethylamide and then send them into the tunnels for the baad baad trip of a lifetime.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 28 2024 2:53 utc | 323

As to Wittgenstein, he’s been my mathematical logic bete noir since I was in knee pants. Son of a gun threw his mother down the stairs, for crying out loud, and some poor confused folks rate him a philosopher of note. Meh!
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 28 2024 1:19 utc | 309
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His years as schoolteacher were characterized by brutality toward the kids to a degree uncommon even in interwar Austria.
The entire Wittgenstein family was seriously messed up. More than a few suicides, among other things.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 28 2024 2:59 utc | 325

RE: “You may call me crazy but at least I know right from wrong.”
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 28 2024 2:23 utc | 318
Agreed, apparently an integrity character trait undesired in this realm by many.
More “crazies” coming…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 28 2024 3:01 utc | 327

Cynic | Apr 27 2024 23:39 utc | 298
good post… thanks for articulating that.. i too share your view on the wef.. fake leadership imposed on the masses…

Posted by: james | Apr 28 2024 3:34 utc | 329

Titmouse 199
“Fight the power!”
Fights the power.
“Any way you fight the power is what the power wanted you to do anyway.”
Schroedinger’s Empire will always defeat the Dilettante Leftist.
Of course psychopaths want you to engage with their psychopathy, but we don’t play their stupid mind games, do we? Psychopaths exists in every creed and political party. Blair is a Dilettante Leftist. Sunak is a Dilettante Rightist. Both of them selected for their obvious stupidity and banality to fool us plebs by mouthing idiocy like string puppets.
Political Islam and Christian Zionists are all psychopaths. The only thing that hurts them is our sanity and our creativity.
The Palestinians survive inshallah and rebuild Gaza with Universal approval while the entire world is invigorated by the clear proof of clinical insanity demonstrated by the Western ptb, and their religious zoo of different species of religious extremists.

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 28 2024 3:55 utc | 331

@ Don Firineach | Apr 28 2024 2:37 utc | 320
@ malenkov | Apr 28 2024 2:59 utc | 325
Warm thanks for your angles on Wittgenstein. The confluence of mathematical and philosophical turbulence between the wars, in and around the Vienna Circle, was an intellectual revolution humanity still struggles to come to terms with. (Though, optimistically, one person in a thousand has any idea what Kurt Godel was on about.)
Wittgenstein’s “language games” work after mathematical logic has overwhelmed practically every philosophy department in the academic universe (afai can tell) with a form of nihilism natural to letting all meaning leak out completely from every paragraph, all over the floor. It’s as if someone decided to make the whole subject of philosophy completely irrelevant to human life on planet Earth (like 20th century painting and sculpture — It’s an academic thing, you wouldn’t understand!)
Wittgenstein, in my view, represents the death of philosophy as a relevant discipline. It totally makes sense that the only fabric knitting the Wittgenstein family was strict domination, sadomasochism, and suicide.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 28 2024 4:10 utc | 333

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 28 2024 1:26 utc | 310
I think I agree with you on your points, but the ZH headline and article are total lies. I am a UT alum and longtime former Austinite. I can all but guarantee you that the vast majority of protestors DO have “a connection” to UT Austin (or “Texas” as well call it) and that most if not all were or are paid attendees of The University.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 28 2024 5:48 utc | 335

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 26 2024 2:59 utc | 76
I hear you loud and clear.
What is important is not who says what and who believes.
Those with their fingers on the triggers know the truth.
The very fact that the homocidal Zionists does not dare attack Iran speaks volumes.
P.S Everything the Zionist entity says is a lie. EVERYTHING!

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 28 2024 5:52 utc | 337

Posted by: james | Apr 27 2024 15:51 utc | 231
As a musician, I’m assuming you’ve been in a Canadian jail. I’ve been in too many (including Austin, TX) to count. Probably 12X and never for a dignified reason like protesting a genocide. Usually for fighting, “public intoxication”, etc. In my teens and 20s. USA and Mexico.
They don’t allow “in custody interviews” down here, so I’m not sure where old hippie draws his or her experience from. You’re lucky to get a fuckin’ phone call and/or the time needed to remember some real person’s actual number on the outside. You don’t leave messages on answering machines unless that person can be trusted and is close to you.
So this whole notion of proving a philosophy prof was arrested or for this/that reason, and backed up by some sort of clink interview is asinine. LOL literally laughable. I mean I would suggest that anyone who suggests such a thing go and get detained, arrested and booked. When’s the last time a high profile figure behind bars in the “free and democratic west” like Julian Assange was granted such a thing? Never. The likelihood only gets exponentially smaller as you go down the sliding scale of unimportance (like you, me, oldhippie, etc.) – it’s ridiculous.
These protests are NOT fake. They are NOT funded by fuckin’ Soros and they ARE 99.999% legitimate grievances against an ongoing atrocity. Good for these kids. To paint it as anything remotely *nefarious* is to take on the role of human pond scum….like Likud and the Zionazis and the authoritarian psychopaths chosen to pretend they run this country, but with the actual power to ruin peoples’ lives and careers.
I can’t say much about oldhippie’s previous experiences – including alleged recent ones – with the pro-Palestine protest movement, but I can say with 100% certainty that he, she or it is full of shit if trying to paint these college campus protests as somehow illegitimate or astroturf like we already know the “support” for Israel is.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 28 2024 6:04 utc | 339

339 Tom Collins
Hear hear. Say the gospel. These protests are making zionazis scared. Scared enough for Netanyahu to say usa should crack down and suppress them. Their whole decades long hasbara and billions of $ spent on bullshit just got wiped out . Nobody believes them nobody likes them and nobody wants to be associated with them. It over. And the universities are the next generations that will be the ones signing off on those investments and will remember Gaza, they will remember the lies and threats , remember everything even the beating they got for being there. The authorities are only growing the cause by their actions. Pretty soon you won’t be able to get laid at college if you haven’t been arrested at the Palestine sit in . Maybe sore ass is sending a few factions in . Only for the headlines it has gotten. But they aren’t the grass roots and majority. It’s fully established that authorities disrupt alt groups.
“Antisemitic mobs have taken over leading universities,” claimed Netanyahu.
“They call for the annihilation of Israel. They attack Jewish students. They attack Jewish faculty,” he said.
“It’s unconscionable. It has to be stopped.”
He argued the “response of several university presidents was shameful” and said more needed to be done.
“What is important now is for all of us, all of us who … cherish our values and our civilisation, to stand up together and to say, ‘enough is enough’,” Netanyahu said.
Yeah bibi values like genocide from being racially superior ya Muppet.

Posted by: Hankster | Apr 28 2024 6:27 utc | 341

Re: why do the protestors all have similar tents ?
Because those are the dirt cheap Walmart/Costco style tents. Ordered through Alibaba or similar online platform , delivered in 2-3 days. Likely $25 a pop – $1,000 buys 40 tents.
No evil conspiracy, just simple math.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 28 2024 8:06 utc | 343

What’s significant about the ivy league schools having these protests is that is where the future “elite functionaries” are schooled at and later they become the administrators of the institutions of the USA.
The jewish forced diversity hodge podge of migrants and whatever rabid White liberals are who are there, aside from many, many, many jews.
Did anyone here come across the very credible story about the mossad agent using a very pungent and hard to wash off gas to spray protesters who have been wearing masks so they can later find and identify them in their dorms ?
Imagine going to an isreali college as a foreign intelligence agent and spraying their college students who are directly opposing your country in a protest so you can later identify them.
Lots of the tyranny going on right now doesn’t shock the browbeaten american unless you literally write out or speak what is happening, in reverse, with jews as the one being aggressed upon.
Always give yourself and your fellow countrymen the moral authority however you must unlearn yourself into doing it.
And do not forget, no jew is your fellow countryman.

Posted by: ryanggg | Apr 28 2024 8:08 utc | 345

3 stories discussing more media manipulation and censorship arising in the US over Palestine protests tiktok laws passed and more 20 mins, by The Hill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDPH2WnPdsQ
How will all this be stopped?

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 28 2024 9:08 utc | 347

1st of May is around the corner. The most horrifying scenario for western elites would be a combination of student movement – working class actions in a united front. That’s why they have no choice but to brutally stop the development.

Posted by: Framarz | Apr 28 2024 9:33 utc | 349

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 28 2024 2:37 utc | 320
Wonderful description fitting the one of an autist possessed by demons.
Anyway…

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 28 2024 9:51 utc | 351

Israel took over the USA

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 28 2024 10:28 utc | 353

The countrys you list didnt take over the US universitys. And by that means seed every US instatution with jews.
Facts are facts now.
Not anti semitism so dont go their.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 28 2024 10:48 utc | 355

Typo…. there not their.
For the picky

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 28 2024 10:51 utc | 357

Canuck @ 356
Wrong again it was trump his white supremists
and proud boys that reinvented /stole/curupted the term ‘woke’ and manifested the whole grotesque lgbt debate.
A self full filling prothasy.
Cowardly bullys that they are, the right wing picked a fight they thought they could win and even lost that.
So you can woke woke woke all ya like. But this thread is a much much more sereous debate. Treat it as such please.
So far your cleraly trying to derail.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 28 2024 11:05 utc | 359

“My sidebar has shrunk considerably…”
Posted by: ld | Apr 27 2024 18:24 utc | 252
As per usual you are on the wrong side of the truth.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 28 2024 11:11 utc | 361

360 – Yes, I saw that. Who says comedy is dead?

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 28 2024 11:14 utc | 363

@ Aleph_Null | Apr 28 2024 4:10 utc | 333
We can agree to differ. Yes, the issues of the 1930s were polluted with the politics of the time – Soviet trials – and the ‘individual vs the collective’ etc with both heading to the extremes – most notably today in the US where radical individualism is dominant and any attempt to bring in the collective leads to charges of communism etc etc and then we get Hayek for fuck sake!
@ JAB | Apr 28 2024 6:25 utc | 340
Yes, Tractatus a real pain – and agree on Philosophical Investigations – and agree that what some wacky postmodernists do with his work does not detract from its key insights. Add in Marx and Zen, as you do, and perhaps wade through the 1000 pages of Theory of COmmunicative Action (Habermas) and the ol’ brain gets a real work out ….Hermeneutics precedes Explanatics – and Wittgenstein is central to the former.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 28 2024 11:16 utc | 365

These people are now housed in e.g. hotels in the rest of Israel. That relocation of these people costs the israeli government A LOT OF money.
Posted by: WMG | Apr 28 2024 11:16 utc | 364
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No worries; eventually the US taxpayer will foot the bill.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 28 2024 12:02 utc | 367

Engler: Push to Erase Palestinians – Canadians Promoting Genocide
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/push-to-erase-palestinians-canadians-promoting-genocide/
“…It’s remarkable how many Canadians’ religious/ethnic identity is expressed by seeking to erase a people 8,000 kilometers away. As I’ve detailed, the political forces at play are multi-faceted, but part of it is a network of Jewish Zionist organizations that actively promote this type of thinking…”
ps healthy outcomes to b.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 28 2024 12:25 utc | 369

A very interesting post drops by Craig Murray
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/04/the-curious-case-of-the-freedom-flotilla/

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 28 2024 12:52 utc | 371

Student protests for Gaza at Sciences Po in Paris.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 28 2024 13:07 utc | 373

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 28 2024 12:34 utc | 370
Soros is a puppet- he works for the City and his ‘job’ is to disrupt the West politically, economically and culturally in the aim of the Serfs crying out for a re-set which Soros Masters would willingly provide.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 28 2024 13:40 utc | 375

All protests are infiltrated …
Posted by: crone | Apr 27 2024 19:09 utc | 267
This is correct and obviously correct. Any veteran of protest or political action of any sort knows this. It was true 60 years ago, it was true 50 years ago, it was true 100 years ago. Once upon a time I’d have assumed all knew the Krupskaya quote that was always cited by CPUSA. And by everyone. Somehow the current protests are magically pure as driven snow.
I can’t possibly count how many police beatings I have endured. For those interested in my record I will once more cite my federal prison #, 18257-149. Most recent and most painful beating I witnessed was in ER of Cook County Hospital. They beat up a 90 year old man named Jesus who had already been dead an hour. Of course I was beaten too. When I say painful am not referring to my physical pain at that moment. I hardly noticed. The pain of despair. Despair is what I feel right now reading this thread.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 28 2024 13:50 utc | 377

Oldhippie @ 377
They say the time to despair is not when people talk about you but when they dont talk about you.
By the same token ….
If this protest is a threat to the powers that be, so yes go’s without saying they will try and infiltrate. So what.
It dosent take away from the protests credabilty as some would wish. Or should not stop people from joining.
‘They’ distroyed antifa with that slur. And here we are.
Its a good protest, whats your agenda, whats your alternative plan.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 28 2024 14:11 utc | 379

@Posted by: Turk 152 | Apr 28 2024 14:30 utc | 380
Someone here made a solid argument that the IDF is well penetrated by Russian immigrants who act as spies for Russia.
The context of this was the Israeli plane Pepe Escobar claims the Russians shot down,
and “how were the Russians diligent and johnny-on-the-spot enough to be aware of the plane, it’s target and make the decision
to shoot down an Israeli plane on short notice?”
I wonder about that spy that (apparently) alerted Russia.
Are there deep spies that never contact their handlers EVER
unless there is something totally huge like a September 11th?
That made me think about hasbara. Are there hasbara that behave 100%
of the time like they are valuable and informed MoA commentors;
but will only flip into hasbara mode when it is something huge
like LIHOP on October 7th.

Posted by: librul | Apr 28 2024 14:41 utc | 381

Mutual solidarity

Iranian students voice solidarity with pro-Gaza rallies in Western universities ( https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/04/28/724524/Iranian-university-students-gatherings-demonstrations-Israel-genocidal-war-Gaza-Strip )
🔹Iranian university students have staged mass rallies to express their solidarity with pro-Palestine academic demonstrations across the United States and Europe demanding an end to Israel’s months-long genocidal war against Palestinians in the besieged Gaza Strip.

https://t.me/presstv/94818

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 28 2024 14:53 utc | 383

That made me think about hasbara. Are there hasbara that behave 100% of the time like they are valuable and informed MoA commentors; but will only flip into hasbara mode when it is something huge like LIHOP on October 7th.
@ librul | Apr 28 2024 14:41 utc | 381
I doubt that it’s healthy for you or for the bar to be furtively glancing askance at each other like this. Practically everyone in my personal life is confused enough about the Gaza Holocaust to make me dearly wish they took life on planet Earth seriously. There’s no do-over. This is not a dress rehearsal. Out here in the San Francisco Bay Area, it looks like I’m surrounded by sleepwalkers — lost souls — not hasbara operatives. So generally I find this little corner of the cyber universe consistent with physical interactional reality. Some long-respected names have made me so angry I have to bite my lip, in both venues.
I sure hope everything’s going to be okay with MoA. Germany is among the European countries making life quite difficult for honest folks like b. I’m crossing my fingers, and treasuring any further moments we’re privileged to share.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 28 2024 14:58 utc | 385

@Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 28 2024 14:58 utc | 385
Thanks for that moment of calm.
Carry on.

Posted by: librul | Apr 28 2024 15:12 utc | 387

Archetypex | Apr 28 2024 0:18 utc | 302
“If I was leading the protests I would stop the encampments. I would try to have target people and areas flash mobbed all over the place. These encampments just make it easy for the gov.”
What you are missing is that protesters want to earn their badge of courage. The protesters who remain after the cops yell into their megaphones “Ally ally out!” are people who want to make their point more seriously, and are not discouraged by an arrest or suspension from a university. More power to these determined people. By contrast, flash mobs can only disrupt a relatively small area for a short time. Both protest forms are good, though.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Apr 28 2024 15:26 utc | 389

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 28 2024 13:50 utc | 377
“All protests are infiltrated … It was true 60 years ago,”
I don’t think it was true in the ’60s
I don’t think that the anti Vietnam protest of the ’60s were were infiltrated anywhere close to the level of infiltration that is occurring today. Nobody or no group ever turned a ’60s protest into a mob which was then vilified by the general public.
Today, infiltrating protests is recognized as an essential counter tactic. So, if your going to organize a protest, you better be protesting the right cause. Or get ready for the infiltrators who will use whatever means necessary to smear and discredit your cause. It happened 1/7/2021. It seems pretty clear it’s happening today with the protests on various campus.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Apr 28 2024 15:44 utc | 391

Johnny Dollar @391
What then is the alternative ?
Silence ?
Have you got another plan ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 28 2024 15:55 utc | 393

The protesters are calling for the universitys to disinvest from israel.
That right there is why they are so scared of these protesters.
Its the key stone that brings the whole israel-US toxic mix, tubbling down.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 28 2024 16:12 utc | 395

What about the corpses found without heads, or with organs missing. Who were they and are there more still to come from other vulture organizations?
What about those simply unaccounted for by family or friends after the mass forced displacements?
By which multiplier should we calculate the real total? Double the “official figure? Triple it? More?
Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 28 2024 16:10 utc | 394
You raise good questions.
One reason for continuing the war is so that those questions may remain unanswered; and that the Izzie and Western elites in particular may avoid having to answer them. “Oh my God, we didn’t know!” is probably not going to be accepted this time.
This same logic applies to the Ukraine war too now. Nobody wants to have to explain what they thought they were doing in arousing the Russia we now see, terrible in its righteous wrath, while producing a very failed state in Ukraine.
The entire Gaza war is so over-the-top (movie biz jargon) that it seems wise not to get too attached to any particular ideas about what is happening, has happened, it’s bound to be worse.
The lunacy of the Izzies wasting all this time and energy on various performative evils, and publishing it on the internets, while losing the war itself, is itself a subject for much future examination.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 28 2024 17:01 utc | 397

psychohistorian@287 – Thanks for the insight on your local protest.
“…I don’t see the protests in Corvallis as being impacted/influenced by negating outside forces. I think those efforts are being focused on the larger events. I see protests as being effective if there are many of them all over and not just big ones…..and I see that starting to happen.”
I still think in insane amount of negating outside forces *were* being focused on the first large campus protests last week, specifically to prevent them from occurring at all and especially from spilling outside the dozen or so highly-controlled initial ‘encampment’ locations (in my conspiracy theory, anyway). But last week’s jackboot antics were seriously bad optics and backfired horribly – much to my delight. Our overlords lost containment pretty quickly – the floodgates are open. Their anti-Semitism narrative was irreparably damaged and they don’t have the resources or political will to send the Stazi and snipers into every small college. I strongly agree that “many of them all over” is preferred and most effective (and safer).
“The composition of us folks in support of Palestine was mostly older and then quite young with very few in the middle. The ethnic composition was also more non-white and more women than men, but not extremely so.”
Interesting, but it makes sense at this point. One of the things that was shocking about Oldhippie’s experience was being made to feel unwelcome at a campus protest. I have never really seen protesters (over generalization, of course) be exclusionary – old, white, men or whatever. One exception was in the 60’s/70’s – campus protesters disliked the guys that showed up to marches with a military crew cut, wearing an uncomfortable green leisure suit, dark sunglasses and an earpiece. I recall they liked those horrible white shoes, too. Now I’m tempted to dress like this and show up to an anti-genocide protest. Well, probably not a good idea. People have no sense of humor, anymore.
JAB@270 – Thanks for posting the Adam Tooze article with the Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD) pamphlet. I’m glad BDS hasn’t been forgotten. I was aware of CUAD because of all the drama the past few months around Columbia banning Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP – a frequent target of Zionist ire on campus) and Jewish Voice for Peace (yes, they banned a Jewish group. How anti-Semitic!). That’s a large part of the reason I attribute ‘weirdness’ to certain details of Columbia’s protests. Again, I don’t doubt the sincerity of the protesters, themselves, in the least. There’s just this whole back story of actors, politics, money and events that set up Columbia’s protest for disaster – which thankfully didn’t happen.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 28 2024 17:31 utc | 399