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April 25, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-123

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Chas | Apr 26 2024 21:31 utc | 152
The movement for justice in Palestine is only in the incubation stage at present
Yes, we anticipate open ended detentions, liens on bank accounts, banishment from social media, etc.
These students watch, like most of us, Israel’s live-streamed slaughter of the Palestinian people. But unlike most of us, they act(Hedges)
But unlike most of us, they act.
FFS, at least wish them well.

Posted by: john | Apr 27 2024 10:44 utc | 201

very unpleasant response. Your discourse is not what I come (have come since the beginning) to MoA to see.
Posted by: laguerre | Apr 27 2024 9:19 utc | 195
That’s very interesting disconnect laguerre. Thanks for sharing. I know for a fact that your interpretations and characterizations (of me and what you imagine you see) are simply off the planet weird. Good luck working on that, and seeing reality for what is rather than whatever is going on inside you.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 10:44 utc | 202

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Otherwise you get this kind of attempt to connect too many dots and the wrong ones at that:
“Who is organizing the so-called spontaneous pro-Hamas uprisings across college campuses in the United States? Is it just coincidence that all the protesters have the same tents? Or that the riots broke out just as Israel was about to begin its offensive into Rafah to wipe out Hamas?”
No it is not coincidence there were protests when Israel was about to begin its offensive into Rafah. It was the reason thereof. Get some clarity.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 27 2024 11:03 utc | 203

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 27 2024 1:36 utc | 173
I suggest you drop the defensiveness and wild accusations. You’re not thinking clearly. And seeing what is not there. Labeling me a state operative / tool is delusional fantasy and ridiculous. … because I asked for evidence ? and because I see unfounded conjecture?
Evidence? Yeah you know, facts evidence credible witnesses / reports not just wild verbal projections you invented because what’s “normal” does seem normal to you as you “think” about things and arrive at your conclusions posted above. Yes I am was asking for evidence to support your “hypothesis” (in an entertaining way). That’s all. No biggy, I’m that worried about it, I was simply asking.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 11:17 utc | 204

(effing typos, sorry) does NOT seem normal to you as you

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 11:18 utc | 205

(lol, dbl effing typos) I’m NOT that worried about it, (aarrgggh)

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 11:20 utc | 206

From MEE:
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and other international officials will be in the Saudi capital this weekend for Gaza ceasefire talks on the sidelines of a World Economic Forum meeting, the WEF’s president said on Saturday.
“We do have the key players now in Riyadh and hopefully the discussions can lead into a process towards reconciliation and peace,” Borge Brende said at a press conference in Riyadh.
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Qatar’s prime minister, Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister, Egypt’s foreign minister, Oman’s crown prince and Bahraini officials will be amongst those in attendance.
Egypt’s foreign minister, Brende said, will update officials on talks held by Egyptian negotiators in Israel on Friday.
“There is now a bit of momentum for negotiations on the hostages and also a possible ceasefire,” Brende said.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/mahmoud-abbas-among-international-officials-riyadh-gaza-talks?nid=357231&topic=Israel%2527s%2520war%2520on%2520Gaza&fid=511886

Posted by: JB | Apr 27 2024 11:22 utc | 207

Bbc radio 4 news reporting …
UK army boots on the ground in Gaza.
Stressing “not US”
Aparently driving aid into Gaza from the landing stage being built for food aid delivered by ship.
Paraphrasing.. if we get shot at we will do what we need to.
So whats this all about ? More trickery, for sure.
Encroaching milatary envolvement by US UK.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 27 2024 11:31 utc | 208

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 27 2024 1:26 utc | 172
Thanks for the ref on Irish repression via the Laws …. yes a template for sure. It’s always clearer looking backwards, no one wants to know when these things are being passed. It’s the nature of the beats. Those in the know get silenced along the way. It is what it is, and yes I doubt it’s going to be rectified in the West anytime soon, 50 years? Possibly you’re right.
I have no confidence a push back is going to come anytime soon. I doubt these campus protests will grow, but instead will be violently crushed as if it’s Jan 6th all over again, and most will end up in prison with a criminal record for life.
No I am not hopeful in any form for the future. Israel won’t be toppled, Russia won’t ever really win, or achieve their ambitions, China will be ever more harassed, the USA will continue going down the toilet while becoming even more belligerent and dangerous and totalitarian, and there will not be a mass protest of mass revolution there or in Europe, CA, Australia or anywhere ….. just a world split in two, again, the golden billion west and everywhere else. and endless wars breaking out, and 1984 on steroids with 24/7 lies.
And I forgot snowdon, another huge warning that was silenced with lies?

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 12:16 utc | 209

Lavrov’s Dog @ 209
Your too optamistic by far.
Time to take off ya rose tintented classes

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 27 2024 12:26 utc | 210

Seyed Mohammad Marandi
@s_m_marandi
The grandson of Nelson Mandela has been suspended by @X
and @elonmusk
as he is trying to help get food and supplies into Gaza.
Seyed Mohammad Marandi
@s_m_marandi
The grandson of Nelson Mandela has been suspended by @X
and @elonmusk
as he is trying to help get food and supplies into Gaza.
https://twitter.com/s_m_marandi/status/1784080863812059178

Posted by: Menz | Apr 27 2024 12:32 utc | 211

Paveway IV @ 148
Thank you. Atleast one person here with an ability to do basic analysis.
I’ve been away from the computer for 16 or 18 hours and may not be caught up. But may we return to the incident of the professor, the Philosophy Department Chair. james posted scene from her arrest way upthread. Look at the total utter sangfroid of that person. Supposedly she has just witnessed a particularly brutal beating at close range. arrested for speaking to a cop near the beating. And she is cold as ice. No fear that she is next. A couple hours later she will be processed and released and giving an interview to Amy Goodman. Again she recounts tale of beating with zero emotion, zero affect. Go back to first video. The cameraman/reporter is behind police lines. He had to run a gauntlet of officers to be there. He is only there because cops want him there. In other words he is a cop. When the professor speaks to him she is resisting arrest. And the officer in charge just does not respond, does not care. And only one office in charge of this high value prisoner? When did cops ever do anything solo? They are a gang and they move in gangs. Then talking to Amy Goodman professor recounts her conversation with the arresting cop. What? In that circumstance the officer is screaming command phrases he has rehearsed in training. If he is speaking English words at all. Just as likely he is barking like a dog. But the professor is having a philosophy department chat 4 feet (her measurement) from a brutal beating in progress.
I could go on. Just for this one incident. Just in this one instance there is a mountain of BS and all here are happy with the propaganda of the day.
Does this bar have one patron who hs ever been arrested. One barfly who has been beaten? There is no reality in what we are being shown. And we are being shown. We are not witnessing.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 27 2024 12:32 utc | 212

Arya – آریا 🇮🇷
@AryJeay
A senior member of the Palestinian resistance told al-Mayadeen:
Israel was forced to make changes to its latest proposal. It maintains continuous talks with Egypt to formulate an offer that Hamas can accept. Hamas has informed Egypt that it will not accept any proposal that does not include a complete ceasefire and the withdrawal of israel from Gaza.
https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1783801981863084270

Posted by: Menz | Apr 27 2024 12:34 utc | 213

Robert Martin 🇵🇸
@Robert_Martin72
·
13h
How anyone can support this racist terror organisation known as Israel is truly beyond me.
https://twitter.com/Robert_Martin72/status/1784004604029776073

Posted by: Menz | Apr 27 2024 12:43 utc | 214

“of the original meaning of “begging the question” — the logical fallacy where a conclusion is assumed in the premise.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 26 2024 21:20 utc | 150″
Except a conclusion was assumed in Scorpion’s premise.
He wrote that the protests don’t seem organic.
Then, *assuming that they aren’t organic*, that begs — or raises – the question of who is behind them.
You could use a chill pill.

Posted by: Mary | Apr 27 2024 12:46 utc | 215

Angelo Giuliano 🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻 安德龙
@angeloinchina
This is Ben Gvir during a confrontation related to car parking issue.
He pulled out his gun for that, like a lowlife thug.
Those are the ones running Israel.
Not civilized, racists, genocidal
https://twitter.com/angeloinchina/status/1784056029795532979

Posted by: Menz | Apr 27 2024 12:48 utc | 216

Posted by: ld | Apr 25 2024 19:28 utc | 48:
using weapons against helpless civilians that vaporize them
https://twitter.com/i/status/1782739346442825994
The weapons are air-burst/thermobaric bombs. They have been used in abundance in Gaza.
They were first devised by the U.S. to clear areas in the jungles of Southeast Asia (especially Vietnam) to be used for helicopters. The bomb, which was filled with aluminium powder, ignited as much a thirty feet above the ground. The powder burned (oxidized) instantaneously at such a high temperature that everything underneath was incinerated (reduced to fine ash).
Later, it was discovered that depleted uranium powder would produce even higher temperatures (up to 6,000°) and the utter elimination of everything. The depleted uranium (U234) is available for free as nuclear waste. Anybody not underneath (in ground zero) and far enough away to survive the incineration/vaporization suffers from instantaneously collapsed lungs as the oxygen is sucked out of the air by the detonation to fuel the oxidation of the blast.
There are new, “improved” models being tested in Gaza.

Posted by: RJPJR | Apr 27 2024 12:52 utc | 217

Quds News Network
@QudsNen
“We must not listen to Biden, … we must flatten all of Gaza!”
An Israeli lawyer filmed himself destroying residential homes and razing trucks and properties for amusement, which he later posted on his Facebook account, boasting about the destruction he caused in Gaza.
Meet Sergeant Sharon Ohana, an Israeli reservist who documented his daily crimes in Gaza on his Facebook account and Twitter, publicly posting pictures of torched Palestinian homes and writing genocidal statements with them.
https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1783874865994276950

Posted by: Menz | Apr 27 2024 12:54 utc | 218

RE: “Pity he was only “slightly” injured …”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 27 2024 5:16 utc | 182
The whole story is questionable.
None of it makes any sense.
A recap of the idiocy:
Lady gets stabbed by “deranged mentally ill” man, who in turn gets shot by innocent close civilian who Ben-Givir happens to be in the area and visiting with his army of personnel security… flees scene in a hurry, forces his driver to run red light & car overturns leaving him with “minor” injuries.
All nonsense. Or at very least… hole after hole…
Nope: Ben (deranged) Gvir did something bad/stupid enough himself to have to quickly flee…
Or… he never was in that car, but taken out by his own.
Official story completely lame.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 27 2024 13:11 utc | 219

219
exactly lame lame lame story
benny blanco gvir involved in inter khazharian gang rivalry dispute tis all and tis but a minor scratch.
egypt and the turk still getting paid off
haifa seems like a place for quiet enjoyment sleepy town
until haifa is on fire this is all international nazi partners in crime show
the cull goes on
watch a talk on youtube from the year 2000 by eustace mullins called
only 1 political party today the Nazis.

Posted by: todd | Apr 27 2024 13:41 utc | 220

I doubt it’s going to be rectified in the West anytime soon, 50 years? Possibly you’re right.
No I am not hopeful in any form for the future. Israel won’t be toppled, Russia won’t ever really win, or achieve their ambitions, China will be ever more harassed, the USA will continue going down the toilet while becoming even more belligerent and dangerous and totalitarian, and there will not be a mass protest of mass revolution there or in Europe, CA, Australia or anywhere ….. just a world split in two, again, the golden billion west and everywhere else. and endless wars breaking out, and 1984 on steroids with 24/7 lies.
And I forgot snowdon, another huge warning that was silenced with lies?
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 12:16 utc | 209
Not really 50 years , more like 70, it took until 1968 and two WW beatings to make GB, sorry UK, think that maybe they should drop the abuses of empire… and then it didn’t last.

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 27 2024 13:58 utc | 221

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and other international officials will be in the Saudi capital this weekend for Gaza ceasefire talks on the sidelines of a World Economic Forum meeting, the WEF’s president said on Saturday. [ . . . ]
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Qatar’s prime minister, Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister, Egypt’s foreign minister, Oman’s crown prince and Bahraini officials will be amongst those in attendance.
____
Rather a shame that the Palestinians won’t be represented. But hardly surprising.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 27 2024 14:27 utc | 222

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/04/worse-than-you-can-imagine
Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 26 2024 12:53 utc | 103
Thanks, DunGroanin. That essay has stayed with me – worth another look.
I am nonplussed by Paveway’s analysis, strongly doubt it is correct. To me, it disrespects the students, all of whom in this day and age have cell phones. They are witnessing even the very latest in horrors, just as many of us do, the mass burials and their occupants. Along with the inability of major powers to have prevented these final outrages. These students are sacrificing much; to compare them to the instigators of violence at past protests is itself a minor outrage.
I will compare it, not to BLM or Antifa, but to the civil rights protests of my era. These were outside of university settings but just as fraught with danger for those participating. I was living out west then, raising my then small family and listening to my clerical brotherinlaw his account of marching with Martin Luther King at Selma, so that is the closest I came to the action of that era. And now the Zionists are worse than even that was in wanting to eradicate an entire group of people, so don’t be surprised at the reaction of idealistic young people. Don’t try to make out it is a conspiracy.
Instead, praise them; stand back if you must, but praise them.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 27 2024 14:35 utc | 223

Oldhippie and scorpion was right regards the strainge look about this protest, but for the wrong reasons,
Firstly….
The young student protesters arent your natural type to protest, and have no experence, no experenced leaders to show how to keep safe ectra. They are the wrong demographic (unintended pun). They are the children of rich familys paying 70,000 a term for that education.
They are also probably years behind the shared knowledge of the truth that we at MOA so often take for granted. A knowledge gifted to us by our esteemend host Barnard a giant amoung this flock.
These protesters are newly awakend give them a break, get behind them the more that join the less burdan and threat they face.
Becouse of the above they pose a much much more dangerous threat to the psychopaths.
More to follow please refrain from reply, till reading part two.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 27 2024 15:06 utc | 224

Instead, praise them; stand back if you must, but praise them.
Posted by: juliania | Apr 27 2024 14:35 utc | 223
100%
I believe the students are at the forfront of the revolution.
The faculty support is a nail in the coffin.
The deployment of IDF trianed thugs against the staff and students are an indicator of the blobs’ fear of revolt.
Netenyahoo cries about it from his throne of shit.
The tide is turning.
How can one not hail the kids at the campuses, the front line facing down the beast in it’s habitat

Posted by: ld | Apr 27 2024 15:29 utc | 225

Part 2
So thats half the story explaing the strainge ackward look of the protest.
The other 50 % of this apperence comes from the police, administrators,israelie funded jewish lobby groups, the pscopath polititans, plus media.
The administrators weather they like it or not have been forced to oppress this truth telling protest to cover up the genicide.
Do we remember the undercover documentry by ‘electronic intafarda’ during preveous elections. And its impact on university students. Its a toxic mix curupt politic lies and learning depending on truth and reality.
The polititians have been forced to cover up their crimes like a criminal in a columbo episode. The envitable outcome delayed to the end.
The police …. trained directly or indirectly by israelie army. Trained in the art of being a psychopath, but uncomftable with the direction they are being pointed at.
The police oppress the poor and protect the rich. He who pays the piper, plus asperation.
Basicaly attacking rich kids is a total head fuck for them hence the akwardness.
Media….. jewish controled say no more.
So in my oppinion its a rightous good protest a bit amaturish but extremily powerfull and possably game changing.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 27 2024 15:40 utc | 226

The students in today’s world have a grand gordion knot to undo.
It will take a tremendous amount of courage to tackle this.
What we are talking about is such an undoing of the whole artifice of western culture vis a vis the military industry complex and the Academic Industrial Complex, that, due to the fact that so many here have attended well-to-do universities and have an upper-class education, there is trepidation to acknowledge this.
If these students are truly going to bring about a revolution, they will have to take a suppository so great that the pain of this may push them back towards apathy and their diet of social media and popular culture.
What we are talking about is 1) decrying the western system, 2) while simultaneously acknowledging that this was, up until now your meal ticket which was to grant you a comfortable life.
Same as it ever was.
I am still hoping against hope that Russia and China truly do believe what they say and that the cancer of this phony-bologna money system in the west needs to go.
Until then, it looks like nothing will change. But I will pray for a new dark age.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 27 2024 15:41 utc | 227

Students in germany today
brutalized
https://twitter.com/i/status/1783939025536963029

Posted by: ld | Apr 27 2024 15:44 utc | 228

Who’s the moron that asked for “an interview (with the brutalized philosophy prof) while in custody”?
Does this person know what it means to be in fucking custody in the US? Is this person living in the same actual universe as the rest of us? Has this person ever BEEN to the US? Is this the same person saying that the college protests are fake because this OLD person WENT to one recently?
Pray tell, where did this “old hippie” go to a campus protest in the US and what about it was fake?
Some of you geriatrics around here are fucking delusional, man. Too much LSD back in the day or something.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 27 2024 15:46 utc | 229

Scorpion:
The pallets of bricks in the Dallas area “BLM” (wasn’t BLM, but whatever) protests were explained a long time ago. That said, I do agree that much of what went on in the “BLM” 2020 protests was instigated from outside and infiltrated from within.
And to that point; just watch what happens this time. If the protest movement grows, the police will crack down brutally. Just like they did during the summer of 2020. If that happens, things will get….you guessed it….violent. So the old white men can start calling them “riots” again. All brought to you by the cops. And instigators/agitators/infiltrators….as with virtually every major US protest movement. Since before the FBI was a thing. Duh.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 27 2024 15:50 utc | 230

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 27 2024 15:46 utc | 229
i have a hard time dismissing old hippie, based on all the posts they’ve made over the years here at moa.. i look at it as his opinion and frankly i have no idea what is happening on the campus’s with regard to the police or the students… all i get is off what i read.. the treatment of the philosophy prof seems harsh to me, so i take it these demonstrations are legit and the police are acting in a very heavy handed manner… but what do i know? i am not their.. also, i shared chris hedges report on this.. i tend to respect and trust hedges, so again – maybe he is wrong, but i am not sure about that.. i tend to believe he is right.. but out of respect for old hippie, i appreciate his commentary even if it doesn’t jive what my impression here..

Posted by: james | Apr 27 2024 15:51 utc | 231

Hi James …
Ol’ lady here … protested in 60s and during 80s (antiwar)
observation:
Some who protested in the 60s now have a negative opinion of protesters against genocide … over the decades they have become comfortable …
I was born a ‘cage rattler’ … will die one.

Posted by: crone | Apr 27 2024 16:01 utc | 232

London street protest today
https://twitter.com/i/status/1784226784176660984
Iceland today USA FUCK YOURSEL! lol
https://twitter.com/i/status/1784134248783307198
Campuses today compilation
https://twitter.com/i/status/1784228417186992173
arrest of Carline Frohnin professor brutal
https://twitter.com/i/status/1783948920575434808
Hundreds of protests around the globe I could go on posting
If anyone thinks for a second this is going away… think again
please watch with volume

Posted by: ld | Apr 27 2024 16:05 utc | 233

Don’t know where you’re from Aleph, but one informal meaning (out of several possible meanings) of the idiomatic phrase “begs the question” is “raises the question.”
Posted by: Mary | Apr 26 2024 20:37 utc | 14
___________
Wherever he is from, he knows English. All languages evolve, and as you say, the use of “begs the question” to mean “begs for the question” is now considered acceptable. And it can be argued that the phrase is a poor translation of its Latin source. But he is right in saying that using “begs the question” in place of “raises (or ‘begs for’) the question” is incorrect.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Apr 27 2024 16:12 utc | 234

@ crone | Apr 27 2024 16:01 utc | 232
thanks crone.. i appreciate your posts here! keep rattling the cage, lol!

Posted by: james | Apr 27 2024 16:12 utc | 235

When the powers that be start railing on the college kids, they are defending atrocities like this: https://folkpotpourri.com/another-imminent-threat-to-the-idf-eliminated/

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Apr 27 2024 16:16 utc | 236

I was born a ‘cage rattler’ … will die one.
Posted by: crone | Apr 27 2024 16:01 utc | 232
… another old doll cage rattler here
welcome aboard

Posted by: ld | Apr 27 2024 16:20 utc | 237

this is a comment from unz. / it is a missing piece for me to understand why things have been heating up this way. There are a lot of boiling frogs:
” Bibi’s hysteria must be seen in the context of the fact that the CIA has lost its free release cards. This happened when UNCAC (December 2005) and UNTOC (2003) came into force. The CIA fought tooth and nail while the conventions were being drafted, but lost its impunity for serious crimes and corruption.
The CIA is illegal under US law. The CIA keeps the Americans in the dark, but the entire civilized world knows it.
United Nations Convention against Corruption Abbreviation: UNACA Entry into force:14 December 2005, in accordance with article 68(1)United Nations
Convention against Transnational Organized Crime and the Protocols Thereto Abbreviation: UNTOC Entry into force: 29 September 2003, in accordance with article 38
The CIA’s response was to get various bastards and bitches to justify emergency repressive measures at home and crimes abroad. Unfortunately for them, they got their asses kicked in Ukraine. Russia can decapitate the CIA at will.
And now Izzie’s top CIA henchmen were getting their asses kicked. While he committed genocide, an unjustified apolitical crime, the US veto cannot save him. That’s why Bibi is so desperate to censor Jus Cogens in the US. He is the CIA’s poster child for genocide. The CIA shares responsibility for the crimes of its secret agent Bibi. So they have to sacrifice Bibi. And he knows it.”
Honestly there are some parts i don’t fully understand but these two conventions are important. There are no other tools to organise a peaceful living together on the same beautiful planet earth…

Posted by: swiss | Apr 27 2024 16:21 utc | 238

@ Mary | Apr 26 2024 20:37 utc | 147
There’s no standard reference of “idiomatic phrases” in English that I know of. We have perfect freedom, so far, to write carefully or sloppily. An injury to the language occurs when people lose track entirely (as they have) of the original meaning of “begging the question” — the logical fallacy where a conclusion is assumed in the premise.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 26 2024 21:20 utc | 150
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I agree that when an evolution in the usage of a word or expression loses a shade of meaning or contradicts the original meaning, the result is impoverishment of the language. Another example is “performative,” whose current usage is more or less the opposite of its original meaning as a linguistics term.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Apr 27 2024 16:26 utc | 239

I plan to attend the local protest in support of Palestine today.
I do believe that numbers matter and the elite are watching and understand this is bigger than Occupy.
Protesters are more of the thousands of cuts necessary to take down the God Of Mammon bully….and its working

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 27 2024 16:31 utc | 240

large scale protests must have organizers
jeebus
they are very well organized… they have to be to prevent disaster
All Palestine protests I have attended have a person marching for every 50 people to prevent violence/provocatuers as well as leading chants etcetera to keep the mood low key.
Palestine protests attract power and deep pockets to shut it down therefore they have to be extrememy guarded against appearing volatile.
It might not look like your regular protest but the sentiments of the protesters are definitely organic
I live in Canada and even here caution was taken seriously.
CBC posted my pic from one of the events.
I worked at McMaster ….I was gently ‘spoken to’

Posted by: ld | Apr 27 2024 16:50 utc | 241

The cops at these protests earn an extremly good wage as we know, you can bet their own kids are at university or will be going their. A genralisation i know. But.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 27 2024 17:09 utc | 242

@ Mark 226
Throw a “woke socialist nazi jewish billionaire” into the middle of that and watch what happens ?
…. watching ZH try to navigate Gaza is almost funny, almost because he is alt all the same and keeps a roll of various going including lefter. So, for Trump and against dems, against dem/”Israel” but against “dem”/protest against “Israel” as Trump is pro “Israel” , pro-Russia but against Iran but against “Israel” atrocity. And on and on…and the “woke socialist nazi jewish billionaire” was all the proof needed.
Well, it has been said that part of the purpose of these conflicts is to divide the right and alt or libertarian, it just does a person in trying to make sense of what is meant by it all.
Will see if I figure Hamas/Syria better for bevin, or at least provide a little bit of depth to that.
@ Paveway recent messaging/prop – Merkava weak point lecture with Sisi
https://t.me/Sohaibpress/53181
Egypt ended up with Russia’s french Mistral, Ayatollah resided in france pre revolution, Iraq was more french sphere previously etc. Russia and China want to keep mediterranean access etc. Shifting sands…too much to add up to come up with a whole number.

Posted by: Ornot | Apr 27 2024 17:11 utc | 243

233 – I was at the London protest. I noted a small attempt at a counter-demonstration by about 30 people with Israeli flags. There was a police cordon in front of them, but it is the first time I have seen them allowed on the same street as pro-Palestinian protesters. I am wondering whether they hoped someone would throw something at the Zionists, or otherwise violently react, and that might result in a scuffle justifying the banning of protests. Which some figures in Britain have been calling for, so far ineffectually.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 27 2024 17:20 utc | 244

I guess someone didn’t like my post at 236. It was about the little Palestinian girl that was murdered by the IDF back in January. It got screwed up on my site and is 404’ed. Hope some of y’all got to see it.

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Apr 27 2024 17:23 utc | 245

protest in Germany
wow
https://twitter.com/i/status/1783939025536963029

Posted by: ld | Apr 27 2024 17:29 utc | 246

@245
Ok – it was my bad – it’s working now https://folkpotpourri.com/another-imminent-threat-to-the-idf-eliminated/ Try not to get too mad.

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Apr 27 2024 17:58 utc | 247

The usual realistic and fresh commentary by former israeli Gilad Atzmon on his Telegram channel:
“As you all know I am monitoring Israeli media 24/7. I in particular am interested in Israeli right media for 3 main reasons: 1. Jewish politics is naturally right wing oriented due to the fact that Jewishness is ethnocentric, race oriented, Judaism is a volk religion and in Israel it is also expansionist. 2. The Israeli right is by far the most forceful factor in Israeli politics and Israeli self perception. 3. The Israeli right is ideologically motivated but is also attached to the grim Israeli reality. The Israeli right wing media accepts that Israel may come to its end.
Today I listened to Israeli leading Arabist academic prof Moti Keidar. Keidar made a few points that are worthy of your attention. He argued that the USA has pretty much finished its role in Israeli history and Israel better seek a collaboration with the rising superpower namely China.
This idea isn’t new. Those who who insist that Israel is a Western colonial force often struggle to explain which is the ‘mother state’ of the Jewish settler colonial.
One sophisticated way to resolve this problem is to accepts that the Jewish State has adopted replaceable ‘surrogate mothers.’ These mothers are dropped once they stop providing needs of the rising nation. In 1917 it was the British Empire. From 1948 -1967 it was France. Since 1967 it was the USA. And now when the USA is about to implode into itself, China is the next ‘Golden Medina.’ In support of his argument Prof. Keidar stated: ‘China is good, they don’t have antisemitism’. This is probably true, my answer to Keidar is? Just give them time.
Keidar also made another very good point. We have only two options to survive in the region: 1. to be in a constant never ending war 2. to sustain our power of deterrence constantly. This observation sums up the Israeli attitude. Both imply terrorising the region either by war or by the threat of a war. As I have been mentioning repeatedly recently, while the military philosopher Carl von Clausewitz suggested that ’war is the continuation of politics by other means’, in the Jewish State, politics is the continuation of war by every possible means…”

Posted by: The deadly tribe | Apr 27 2024 18:03 utc | 248

Some of you geriatrics around here are fucking delusional, man. Too much LSD back in the day or something.
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 27 2024 15:46 utc | 229

Caitlin Johnstone has pointed out (in so many words) that it’s downright insulting to all, especially to the student-protesters, to suggest that the shock of witnessing the Gaza Holocaust for the past seven months is not enough motivation to prompt activism. Because lame brains can only grasp monetary motivation, a monumentally asinine mass brain-fart is emitted, searching for someone with money who must be buying all those tents, or somehow encouraging foolish young people to behave like human beings.
I know: Antisemitic George Soros’ limitless pool of cash must be sustaining an otherwise inexplicable sudden outbreak of sanity! It’s such obviously lame pure crapola, you have to feel sorry for those who can stomach it. I do appreciate your compassionate pity for people whose little gray cells calcified sometime in the previous millennium.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 27 2024 18:08 utc | 249

Posted by: juliania | Apr 27 2024 14:35 utc | 223
I am nonplussed by Paveway’s analysis, strongly doubt it is correct…..
Instead, praise them; stand back if you must, but praise them.

I would still like to know why Soros-funded groups are sponsoring this and supplying all the tents. Yes, the students may be sincere etc. but there are always many layers and levels in the mix. For example, their sincere zeal also makes them easy to exploit in order to help usher in a police state.

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 27 2024 18:12 utc | 250

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 27 2024 18:12 utc | 250
What color will this “Revolution” be?
Gene Sharp will be proud.
Crass – Bloody Revolution

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 27 2024 18:19 utc | 251

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 27 2024 18:08 utc | 249
exactly
It is almost as if they are pissed at the protests and are doing their best to present students as dumb and their efforts fake. And of course the stupid faculty wasting their careers on some george soros stunt is also part of the fake events.
I must say I am disappointed in those whose viewpoints I valued. They could not be better tools for Israel than any Hazbara troll creating doubt from within.
My sidebar has shrunk considerably.

Posted by: ld | Apr 27 2024 18:24 utc | 252

@ The deadly tribe | Apr 27 2024 18:03 utc | 248
Shorter Moti Keidar: Parasite seeks new host!

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 27 2024 18:32 utc | 253

Imagine the hope that palistinans must feel now when they here about these protests.
Hope that finaly, finaly the world just might be waking up, all to late, and yet in their presant horrendus situation any straw or hope is worth grasping. With that in mind, this debate is a forgone conclusion.
Unless of course if the nay sayers have a better plan.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 27 2024 18:33 utc | 254

#212 arrested.
Oh yeah. 1987 Senior Anchor on DSM tv station (retired 10 months later) stated clear case of police (Captn and Lieut of State troopers) brutality. They had Carmen of NYCW and me in capital elevator, ouch – but no damage. Epic photo of me in air being tossed into paddy wagon via 3 troopers. Reviewing the arrest later while eating pizza I said, no – merely pain-compliance techniques.
MP’s and sheriffs, etc. etc. from NoDak to Missouri generally decent to us in antinuclear and Central Ameican arrests realm in 80’s and early 90’s
Whole lot changed over the years, what was evolved to use in West Bank via zionists is now S.O.P (stand. oper. proc.) now in usOfa. Total militarization of police. Ritter awhile back went on a rant about that militarization which 99% of socialists and anarchists would have agreed with over 8 years ago.
You really need a couple 2 day sessions of non-violent training and then practice it is your daily life for awhile to be anywhere near ready, or as ready as you will get. The days of 100 to 500 ban and bar letters being issued by MP’s at entry level c.d. activities (Omaha – Strategic Nuclear Integrated Command and School of Assassins-Americas) is long gone.

Posted by: paxmark1 | Apr 27 2024 18:34 utc | 255

Whether Soros is funding the student protests is of entirely academic (pun intended) interests.
What matters is that the students are doing the right thing, and for the right reason besides.
Hmm, I wonder if a usually sensible commenter here has been a victim of nick theft…

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 27 2024 18:37 utc | 256

Yemen downs another reaper
The third since november
30 mil a pop
cringy offers of placating yemen
The Cradle
The Yemeni armed forces initially targeted only Israeli-linked ships passing through the Bab al-Mandab Strait but expanded the operation to include US and UK ships after Washington and London began bombing the country.
An EU naval mission to “protect navigation” in the Red Sea has also failed to deter the attacks, as officials from Germany and France have said that the situation “remains the same.”
In the face of its failure, Washington recently offered Yemeni officials “an acknowledgment of its legitimacy” in exchange for its neutrality in the war on Gaza.
“[Washington] pledged to repair the damages, remove foreign forces from all occupied Yemeni lands and islands, and remove Ansarallah from the State Department’s ‘terrorism list’ – as soon as they stop their attacks in support of Gaza,” according to Yemeni sources who spoke exclusively with The Cradle.
The offer also included “severely reducing” the role of the Saudi-appointed Presidential Leadership Council (PLC) and “accelerating the signing of a roadmap” with the Saudi-led coalition to end the nine-year war that has decimated Yemen.
Nevertheless, Yemeni officials have maintained that their operations in the Red Sea, Gulf of Aden, and the Indian Ocean will continue until Israel stops the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza.
On 22 April, the Yemeni armed forces announced that they would expand military operations against Israeli-linked ships in the Red and Arabian Seas and the Indian Ocean following the discovery of mass graves around several of Gaza’s hospitals.
https://thecradle.co/articles/yemen-downs-third-us-mq-9-reaper-drone-since-november

Posted by: ld | Apr 27 2024 18:37 utc | 257

7 October completely derailed Israel, and there will be no going back to before, obviously. Who would have believed that the same Israel that conquered the Gaza Strip in a day in 1956 and again in 1967 wouldn’t be able to reoccupy more than a small bit of it even after almost seven months? Israel’s first real failure to show its “full spectrum dominance” in its region was its inability to quell Hizbullah in 2006, but in that case no territory was at issue, and it was against Lebanese, not Palestinians. But now the Palestinians have done it to Israel as well, so no wonder the Israelis are freaking out. If Israel really has the upper hand, why are Israelis and Zionist so downcast, and Palestinians so triumphant? And the fallout from the truly big event, the biggest since the establishment of the State of Israel, is still in the pipeline and is just going to continue and continue.
But the big fallout from it is in the so-called West, especially the US. As rightly stated by Aleph_Null | Apr 26 2024 14:48 utc | 112, “For PTB this is getting very scary, far beyond Gaza, because ultimately these actions call out the deep-seated illegitimacy of an entire system — a global hegemon incapable of stopping genocide, because the blood of martyrs is an essential lubricant. Ultimately, these actions are revolutionary for the world.”
And, quoting Caitlin Johnstone about the powers-that-be:
“They’re frantically scrambling to try to remedy this PR crisis they’ve created for themselves, but everything they’ve tried so far has been a pathetic failure that has only made things worse for them, turning an entire generation into wide awake radicals whose bright young eyes will never, ever unsee what they have seen.”
Who would have ever thought that the most oppressed and marginalized group in the world, the Gazan Palestinians, could have catalyzed such an upheaval?

Posted by: Cabe | Apr 27 2024 18:39 utc | 258

I have seen that much punching at young and new protesters in this thread.
Can I give my view?
The 60’s “hippies” thought they could have everything and being denied a society they saw as possible and desirable
70’s thought they could have drugs and forget everything had gone wrong
80’s that they could have more than the guy next door, just screw him
90’s that they could have a high tech new world
2000’s that they could get a bigger house than his neighbor
2010’s was a bizarre twist on the the change the world, hijacked by woke crap so nobody would want to chnge anything important
Now… True that solidarity went down the drain, but what I have noticed in this new generations is that they KNOW they can have nothing and what they have NOW might be gone tomorrow. Its nihilistic with a smile and then a sarcastic comment. But hey are not amused, closer to punk than hippies.
don’t underestimate neither those that had a dream they found possible , nor those that have only impossible dreams.
Sorry if it sounds confusing but it’s as good as I can get that idea out.

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 27 2024 18:40 utc | 259

You could use a chill pill.
@ Mary | Apr 27 2024 12:46 utc | 215

Maybe some prescription is required to understand your post here, or maybe I need to ask my doctor to up my current dosage…
I virtually never play grammar nazi around here, or anywhere, because people hate it, or else respond in nearly Dadaist counter-rationality like your post 215. But since Bill shook his spear, English has been a decently expressive language. My favorite novelists (such as Anthony Trollope) tend to be more than a hundred years old — a long enough temporal throw to get a sense of how the language changes in time. Nothing wrong with it, so long as the change doesn’t restrict freedom of expression, by losing expressiveness.
In France they sense that the natural direction for a language to evolve is straight into the slime, where nobody understands anybody because precise expression is practically impossible. For this reason, France has always been dedicated to defending their great language from deterioration.
In English, practically everyone says “at the end of the day” to mean something else, even though it’s the most annoying cliche available, and can cause confusion. That’s an example of the English language falling apart, as when a pseudo-literary geriatric blowhard proves ignorant or heedless of correct English enough to issue “begs the question” when “raises the question” is clearly meant. (See your Modern English Usage or Modern American Usage — people who care about the language enough to defend it from deterioration are with me on “begs the question”.)

the issue
is that which issues
from the orifice of the oracle at issue

This note is my chill-pill gift to you, Mary.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 27 2024 18:46 utc | 260

RE: “watch a talk on youtube from the year 2000 by eustace mullins called: “only 1 political party today the Nazis.”
Posted by: todd | Apr 27 2024 13:41 utc | 220
Watched. Was simple and excellent. Thx for reference.
I will look for more material & bio on him (Eustace Mullins 1923-2010) as he obviously lived thru first hand account.
Further, the idea of concentration camps to “get peoples minds right”… has certainly continued. Known modernly in “conspiracy” circles as FEMA camps.
I would have liked to have known his perspective of the Russian role back then, but Russia, if you look at it from a “PR World” view, broke the mold recently, uncovered “the secret” that “Jews” were also “Nazis” “Zionist Nazis” i.e.
“Zelensky”… the peddlers that Russia was some deluded nation state, the mocking of Russia accusation of an Ukraine Nazi State.
Anyways, Soros all of it makes sense, simplified by Eustace without a bunch of muck. Thx

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 27 2024 18:46 utc | 261

malenkov @256
I swear I wondered the same thing. Maybe alcohol involved?

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Apr 27 2024 18:51 utc | 262

Tax payer funded, Federal law to spy on College Students:
It’s in initial stage…. Wonder if it will be adopted, wouldn’t surprise me in the least, although, what doesn’t make sense, is they spy already, so what’s the real “purpose” of “monitors”, except campus intimidation?
“Two US congressmen have introduced a bill that would appoint independent “anti-Semitism monitors” to federally funded college campuses across the country. The draft law comes amid a police crackdown on anti-Israel protests at dozens of US universities.”
“Introduced on Friday by New York Representatives Ritchie Torres, a Democrat, and Mike Lawler, a Republican, the COLUMBIA Act would task the Department of Education with sending a “third-party anti-Semitism monitor” to any college or university receiving federal money. “
“The inspector would release a quarterly report on “the progress that a college or university has made toward combating antisemitism.” Schools that fail to sufficiently crack down on alleged hatred against Jews would then have their funding stripped.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 27 2024 18:57 utc | 263

This explains a lot: https://folkpotpourri.com/we-are-sold-out/

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Apr 27 2024 18:58 utc | 264

I must say I am disappointed in those whose viewpoints I valued. They could not be better tools for Israel than any Hazbara troll creating doubt from within.
@ ld | Apr 27 2024 18:24 utc | 252

How many old friends have you lost? I mean in the real world, not out here in cybertopia. My favorite nephew, and my favorite niece, are no longer on speaking terms because the weight of lightspeed history in 2024 shatters our previous ideas about who we are, who each other are. Estrangement seems to epidemic. Hearts breaking left and right.
I don’t know what to do about my (adult) nephew and niece (and neither does anyone). These are very serious, intimate hurts and I wish I had some way to offer healing. I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one carrying around this kind of heartbreak on physical planet Earth. For my own reference, to settle myself like a cup of chamomile tea, I recall Albert Schweitzer’s advice along the path of wisdom: sometimes valuable truths can be found, even in the writings of those who often go astray.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 27 2024 19:06 utc | 265

a plan a conspiracy lockstep ask a nazi solution
eustace mullins 20 years ago
only one party today the nazi party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7AHaHHpFHc

Posted by: todd | Apr 27 2024 19:08 utc | 266

All protests are infiltrated …

Posted by: crone | Apr 27 2024 19:09 utc | 267

“Houthis” – Ansarallah… more guts than Russia/China put together:
https://www.rt.com/news/596681-us-drone-downed-yemen/
“Another $30 million US drone destroyed off Yemen’s coast – CBS”
“Military officials say the US Air Force has lost a total of three MQ-9 Reaper UAVs in the region since November”
“The US has lost yet another $30 million MQ-9 Reaper drone off the coast of Yemen, CBS News reported on Friday, citing Pentagon officials. While an investigation into the crash is still being conducted, Houthi rebels have taken responsibility for shooting down the aircraft.
Previously, the US had lost another two Reapers to the Iranian-linked militants; one was downed in November and another was destroyed in February.
Yahya Saree, a spokesman for the Iran-linked group, also claimed on Saturday that the militants had targeted the “British oil ship Andromeda Star” in the Red Sea with naval missiles and landed a direct hit.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 27 2024 19:18 utc | 268

crone@267….more directed than infiltrated these days….easy to virtue signal and direct traffic….that said, spontaneous Flash Mob Free Palestine movements in Malls and Parking Lots etc might be the way to go. Diversify the locations, reduce the amount of grouped participants, many small dispersed and coordinated protests, tactically mobile, able to pop up in unsuspected places might be the way to go. Spread out the enforcers. They act like wolves herding sheep. Big crowds are easy targets for the legally armed crazy bastards.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 27 2024 19:38 utc | 269

Newbie | Apr 27 2024 18:40 utc | 259
The 60’s “hippies” thought they could have everything and being denied a society they saw as possible and desirable”
+”Soros” tents
****
The May 1968 riots have similaritis to the present ones in the US and Europe; that “leaders” appear, such as Cohn-Bendt in Paris. A turncoat who went on to personal advance as the “mouthpiece” of the rioters, and then to higher posts and acclaim inside the governmental systems of the day. (including the EU)
Basically he was implanted as a traitor to the aims of the rioters.
It was NOT that they saw a “possible and desirable” society excaping them, but was a refusal of the Pre-war societal regimes of “master” and the lowly “worker” (much doffing their cloth cap to assumed hereditary superiority). Plus the new wars planned for the “workers”, where they were to become just more cannon fodder for the well-off and the old aristocracy in wars to come. The Students and the workers were against the class structure, that the the “elite” (as we would now call them) wanted to impose.
The Soros “input” is to supplant the “leaders” and to create new ones who will carry on his ideas after the rioters get older and quieter. To take control of the movement, or bend an upcoming “regime change” to follow the same masters.
****
The students who are the present rioters are expected to become the soldiers of new armies in the near future. The militarization of the US and EU will need them to be pliant to the “defense of the undefendable ideals” of their Corporate owners (“Die for the gods of Mammon”, to put it crudely).
****
A bit late, but welcome back b. The relief when things go better than anticipated, is a small pleasure on it’s own.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 27 2024 19:45 utc | 271

crone@267. absolutely! “all protests are infiltrated.”
the wildfire currently sweeping empire, particularly its american campuses, carries a greater explosive potential than the french revolution (which debate continues regarding its triggers & beneficiaries). as you highlight it is imperative we stay alert whilst being swept up. we are after all carrying humanity’s promise & survival in our hearts tempered well with a crone’s wise eye.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Apr 27 2024 19:45 utc | 272

Remember that ultra-orthodox “Netzah Yehuda” battalion which, about a week ago, was gonna be sanctioned for “human-rights violations”? Surprise, surprise! Nothing came of that. Whoda thunk it?
Caitlin has gory details of humiliation rituals demanded by Zionazis for so much as raising the possibility. Their sacred mission being “a land without people for a people without land,” their most moral duty being to make it so, the NY (New York?) battalion is the most moral battalion in the most moral army in the world…
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2024/04/27/biden-wanted-to-sanction-an-idf-unit-but-he-didnt-because-israel-said-no/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 27 2024 19:49 utc | 273

Watched a bit of video of a police sniper on a rooftop overlooking one of the university protests. I guess those ‘anti semites’ are going to learn ‘democracy’ American style.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 27 2024 20:01 utc | 274

The protests have been mostly peaceful though.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 27 2024 20:20 utc | 275

The cameraman/reporter is behind police lines. He had to run a gauntlet of officers to be there. He is only there because cops want him there. In other words he is a cop.
Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 27 2024 12:32 utc | 212
regarding
oldhippie@105 aka ‘Old white man’ (lol) – Agree with your comment that the current batch of protests do not seem organic, at least to some degree. In fact, there’s something really odd about them. I wouldn’t go so far as to say they’re staged, but the certainly seem ‘managed’.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 26 2024 20:46 utc | 148
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Um, I think this is silly irrational and/or paranoid conspiratorial. eg one simple point is there are no “police lines” in these situations. police and protesters are all mixed in together. Just Look at the other videos showing broader scenes. It’s not like the 68 democrat convention with police lines, or in selma, or BLM street battles.
most of the videos, there are tons to me show police losing their composure self-control acting like complete jerks. and so what if the Professor is “cool and collected” – it happens. She didn’t seem calm when thrown to the ground and her face on the cement. she was screaming.
I don’t get these kinds of “perspectives” here now of all of this is made up pretend and not genuine protesters acting in good faith against genocide …. yes against GENOCIDE in Gaza. But you are saying the protests are Fake?
I think may be you guys are way too jaded. Or looking for problems that don’t exist when you don;t have all the facts evidence perspectives in front of you .. iow cherrypicking a few pieces from a jigsaw puzzle and claiming you can see the whole story? I think you’re overstepping a lot.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 20:21 utc | 276

Mark2 | Apr 27 2024 18:33 utc | 254
Imagine the hope that palistinans must feel now when they here about these protests
This is about the most prescient comment on the subject so far.
Yes, just imagine the succour this conveys to a devastated people.

Posted by: john | Apr 27 2024 20:23 utc | 277

@ ld | Apr 27 2024 16:50 utc | 241
kudos to you id! and to your other posts too..
@ crone | Apr 27 2024 19:09 utc | 267
exactly… thanks..

Posted by: james | Apr 27 2024 20:23 utc | 278

Lavrov’s Dog @ 209
Your too optamistic by far.
Time to take off ya rose tintented classes
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 27 2024 12:26 utc | 210

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 20:26 utc | 279

In britain at the start of the protests the polaitians were trying to force the police to arrest people with a palistinane flag or for shouting sloguns, the police realised to do so was pointless due to the numbers involved. They the police refused , humilyating the guv. The politians had failed to present the march as violent and supporting terrorist.
I hope this present protest go’s that way, but US cops look a bit nasty.
Its a static protest, talk talk talk to those cops win them over.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 27 2024 20:29 utc | 280

Crone and Id. Cheers to us old women I love being out with these kids frankly their world is ten times scarier then mine ever was. We all need to support them in any way we can. This week I will be legal observing as our university is about to get some new live in students. Got my husband and a few friends joining in. Do what you can DU friends.

Posted by: Susan | Apr 27 2024 20:33 utc | 281

Someone suggests the protests are not organic and suddenly people agree Soros must be behind them? What happened to Iran-backed? Or Putin? There is this thing called social media which makes it possible for anyone to be behind anything. That was the explanation behind Arab spring when it took place. I mean the first Arab spring (which then got hijacked to anti-Assad ends). This must be Arab spring 2.0. we are witnessing now.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 27 2024 20:36 utc | 282

If you can’t go to protest, donate to Palestinian legal out of NY
Or CLDC out of OR. Or contribute to any bail funds in your area

Posted by: Susan | Apr 27 2024 20:36 utc | 283

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 27 2024 15:46 utc | 229
Possibly a bit harsh (I can be too over these matters) but I can hear where you’re coming from and why. The responses perspectives you’re speaking to do come across as unhinged and unfounded to me too. It just does not FIT the Gestalt of what is and has been leading up to now.
AND RE-
I am still hoping against hope that Russia and China truly do believe what they say and that the cancer of this phony-bologna money system in the west needs to go.
Until then, it looks like nothing will change. But I will pray for a new dark age.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 27 2024 15:41 utc | 227
Good comment all of it, I’m with you here. I’m not hopeful but still hoping anyway.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 20:39 utc | 284

“Israeli Channel 12, according to an Israeli official:
We did not accept the Egyptian proposal and presented our own conditions regarding the exchange deal.
We did not agree to end the war, withdraw from Gaza, or any other demands made by Hamas.
Israeli official to journalist Barak Ravid:
The new proposal includes a response to Hamas’s basic demands, such as preparing to fully return the displaced Palestinians to their homes, the withdrawal of the Israeli army from the Netzarim Corridor, and preparing for a permanent ceasefire as part of the implementation of the second phase of the agreement.
Hebrew Channel 12:
Al-Sinwar received the Egyptian proposal that Israel approved, and expectations of a Hamas response within 48 hours”

Posted by: Ornot | Apr 27 2024 20:46 utc | 285

John @ 277
Thanks John that means alot to me. Much respect.
Lavrovs dog @ 279
Glad you took it as it was ment, a bit of humour like that is a powerfull tool.
I noticed your dispair (i share it) so hoped my comment would make you smile.
But dont anyone think its all a joke to me.
My humour was based on the truth….
You got two choices from what i can see protest like hell or have your counrty blown up with a nucular bomb any day now.
Im with lavrovs dog, he’s human amd showed it.
We all do.
United we stand.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 27 2024 20:47 utc | 286

I am back from the weekly protest in support of Palestine in my college city of about 60K.
The turnout was similar to my previous experience with between 60-75 folks in support of Palestine and one lone Occupied Palestine flag waver. At the other end of the block was the half dozen Ukraine supporters with lots of flags but no wavers.
The composition of us folks in support of Palestine was mostly older and then quite young with very few in the middle. The ethnic composition was also more non-white and more women than men, but not extremely so.
I don’t see the protests in Corvallis as being impacted/influenced by negating outside forces. I think those efforts are being focused on the larger events. I see protests as being effective if there are many of them all over and not just big ones…..and I see that starting to happen.
One last observation….the folks that flipped us off and supported the Occupied Palestine flag waver were rabid but the folks that gave us the peace sign and were supportive did not respond negatively to the Occupied Palestine flag waver….I watched.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 27 2024 21:07 utc | 287

English has been a decently expressive language.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 27 2024 18:46 utc | 260
No, sorry but your are far wrose than a Grammar Nazi here.
Your perspectives are twisted out of reality. English is and has always been a “dog’s breakfast”
English is a Bastard Child unsupervised and out of control, and always was.
English is a Mongrel Dog of Ill Repute!
English has developed in Organic ways since the beginning.
Saxon, old English is German not English at all – throw in Old Norse, Anglo-Norman French, then modern French Greek Latin and Celtic it’s a soup of competing versions — then you have dialects and versions across the Commonwealth of nations – then there is the Amercian’s and they’re speical version of Bastardized English.
Your mischaracterizing Metaphors with Grammar and Meaning.
“at the end of the day” yes it;s a “cliche” but it’s also a Metaphor where the meanign goes beyiond the words used. Saying it’s a cliche is itself a cliche! 🙂
IOW Your version of Linguistics is off kilter.
Your Rules are Oppressive and Nonsensical.
Begging the question DOES NOT EQUATE with BEGS the Question and how that phrase is actually used.
It is NOT a Grammar issue … it;s an organic democratic use of the language by people who use the language in different regions all over the world …. you cannot fight this. Argue about apostrophe’s instead – you’ll have better luck – (did you see what I did there? (Grin) because that IS Grammar. (smile)
Lastly, you are being anal retentive and creating a mountain out of an ant hill.
The English Language changes every year, since who knows when. (smile)
Breathe, let it go. It’s really no big deal.
And despite my responses or how they come across it’s no big deal for me either. I’m being lighthearted and humorous about the whole thing (despite how what say might be taken / or misunderstood / or misconstrued – for English is a right Irrational Bitch of a Language with No real Rules.)
It is the People’s Language actually. The People who use it decide what it means and how to use it. Dictionaries and Thesaurus are always trying to catch up and never do.
Cheers LD 😉

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 21:15 utc | 288

Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 27 2024 15:46 utc | 229
“Some of you geriatrics around here are fucking delusional, man. Too much LSD back in the day or something.”
I agreed with you totally. These geriatrics have a prejudice, and no idea how a protest should look in this generation. Being an old guy, I applaud the students for their conscience and humanity.

Posted by: TonyL | Apr 27 2024 21:23 utc | 289

Huge apologies for breaking my own self-imposed rule of no OT comments.
I’ll try to do better. I mean it.
Bugger! LD

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 21:24 utc | 290

Somehow the Palestinians are accessing some news. They heard about the student protests and wrote some messages back on the sides of tents in Rafah. Also (god bless these people! There they are in the bombed-out Gaza Strip, no home except tarps, no food, no water, no medicine, and the dude speaking is praying the students abroad don’t get roughed up and arrested for supporting the Palestinians. Such grace!)
5 minute video, you can get English (or other) on closed captioning selection.
“Thank you students in solidarity with Gaza”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKdcSxyvkIs

Posted by: teri | Apr 27 2024 21:27 utc | 291

Meron base Hezbollah rocket and guided missiles, a larger attack. Click through to channel homepage and translate for updates on that:
https://t.me/Sohaibpress/53226

Posted by: Ornot | Apr 27 2024 21:36 utc | 292

RE I wouldn’t go so far as to say they’re staged, but the certainly seem ‘managed’.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 26 2024 20:46 utc | 148
I apologise to you Paveway fro my tone response last night/yesterday to your post above. @ Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 0:56 utc | 169 …. The way I spoke was not as I really intended, I was far too harsh on you. re demanding “evidence”, “park the paranoia” and “be silent” etc etc.
What I meant was / should have said is .. what do you see/hear that makes you say that? And how do you come to your conclusions? That’s what I meant by ‘evidence’ not in the sense of court, so your reply to me was spot on, but I was out of sorts and didn’t get it at the time. So sorry for that too.
I realize I say things all the time and don;t provide ample supporting rationales or my thinking or any evidence facts to back up my opinions, so I was way out of line how I spoke to you – please forgive me. thx LD.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 22:02 utc | 293

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 27 2024 21:07 utc | 287
Thanks very much, psychohistorian.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 27 2024 22:52 utc | 294

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 27 2024 21:07 utc | 287
Thanks for the report. really appreciated. and well done you for going.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 23:02 utc | 295

@Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 21:15 utc | 288
“The meaning of a word is how it is used.” Wittgenstein

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 27 2024 23:21 utc | 296

@Aleph_Null | Apr 27 2024 18:46 utc | 260
Language, whilst spoken, is alive and dynamic.
If you want some certainty – then best to try Latin – which is dead.
See my # 296

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 27 2024 23:30 utc | 297

malenkov | Apr 27 2024 14:27 utc | 222
*** Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and other international officials will be in the Saudi capital this weekend for Gaza ceasefire talks on the sidelines of a World Economic Forum meeting, the WEF’s president said on Saturday. [ . . . ]
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Qatar’s prime minister, Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister, Egypt’s foreign minister, Oman’s crown prince and Bahraini officials will be amongst those in attendance.
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Rather a shame that the Palestinians won’t be represented. But hardly surprising.***
See how they “normalise” the existence of the WEF?
The real issue is not whether someone there *allegedly* represents the Palestinians…
The important point is that *nobody* there legitimately “represents” any population (as in general public, anywhere) at all.
Yet it is a supra-national *invitation* forum which devises, sets and coordinates agendas to be *imposed* (overtly or covertly) by politicians, Oligarchs, financial spivs and bureaucrats throughout much of the world.
WEF and related agency agendas as extreme as could be … but (thanks to the collaboration of traitors in governance and corrupt mass-media) mostly unaccountable till it is to late, or intended to be impossible to reverse.
So the Palestinians aren’t represented at the WEF — but the fact is that neither are you, or me, or anyone else outwith the globalist Overclass and its high-ranking bought and/or ideologically cancerous servants.

Posted by: Cynic | Apr 27 2024 23:39 utc | 298

Some of you geriatrics around here are fucking delusional, man. Too much LSD back in the day or something.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 27 2024 15:46 utc | 229
Or … not enough?
# Anyone know what those Isra€li r€servists are on?

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 27 2024 23:51 utc | 299

I must say I am disappointed in those whose viewpoints I valued. They could not be better tools for Israel than any Hazbara troll creating doubt from within.
@ ld | Apr 27 2024 18:24 utc | 252
How many old friends have you lost? I mean in the real world, not out here in cybertopia. My favorite nephew, and my favorite niece, are no longer on speaking terms because the weight of lightspeed history in 2024 shatters our previous ideas about who we are, who each other are. Estrangement seems to epidemic. Hearts breaking left and right.
I don’t know what to do about my (adult) nephew and niece (and neither does anyone). These are very serious, intimate hurts and I wish I had some way to offer healing. I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one carrying around this kind of heartbreak on physical planet Earth. For my own reference, to settle myself like a cup of chamomile tea, I recall Albert Schweitzer’s advice along the path of wisdom: sometimes valuable truths can be found, even in the writings of those who often go astray.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 27 2024 19:06 utc | 265
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Yes, you are not the only one and i appreciate your transparency because at the micro level, the three major crisis of this decade, the Covid war, the Ukraine war, the Gaza war have all been military driven psychological lie operations that divide people along ideological lines with a devastating result on interpersonal relationships and the social glue that holds societies together.
Maybe easier to say that propaganda lies destroy relationships and in my case the damage was done in 2020 with the covid war.
Those that bought the lies back then bought the lies of the Ukraine/Nato proxy war on Russia and are buying the lies of Israel’s right to defend itself by committing genocide.
Thanks for your post Aleph.

Posted by: simon crow | Apr 28 2024 0:06 utc | 300