I know b finds it hard to write about Palestine- here is Craig Murray doing a great job of addressing the collective wests fascist actions there and Bidens long term role as a facilitator of that great crime against humanity.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/04/worse-than-you-can-imagine

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 26 2024 12:53 utc | 103

I’ve attended two protests recently. One back in October, one quite recently. Left both quickly. They do not seem organic at all. The notion that current college students are politically aware or willing to make sacrifices is far-fetched. This week the willingness to call out yours truly as an old white man was so over the top I presumed those doing it were cops. The whole thing looks like cop demonstrations to me.
Watch any of the videos closely. The cops make a show, are restrained. All looks staged. Out of control cops are real different.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 26 2024 13:33 utc | 105

Mark2@93…..ffs, if you’re going to quote a poem, one filled with historical context, get it right for crying out loud……first they came…..who, go read it…
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 26 2024 13:51 utc | 107

The position of the military in various countries is an unknown to me, I am only sure that there are factions within, and a broader discontent.
What is planned for Gaza is quite clear, there is the sell (aid and greater recognition) and then there is the reality of the means used to go about that (which is largely hidden to the west, and in line with your description).
So the question is just that, how much will the region tolerate.
History is full of failures at confronting “Israel”.
Local populations strongly disagree with what is going on, and yet they know that to charge in will upturn their own stability, the day to day existence that is built on a vast and partly western infrastructure. Calling that pragmatic, peace loving, meek or disorganised makes no difference because people prioritise and appreciate what is already available to them. However revolution in Jordan and Egypt is possible, civil war in Lebanon is possible.
Military intervention by those countries is also possible.
The regional balance is a complex overlap which never seems to resolve, it is never clear if the enemy of the enemy is actually a friend, due to the historical anonymities that exist, whether religious, territorial, of international alegiance, and much more besides.
What is clear though is that the western plans in existance for Gaza are only tentative, coarse, dressed up, and they are not respected, are at most tolerated due to the above limitations.
What will we be presented ?
Vast aid shipments, Palestinians being cared for, their status being formalised and so on – move on now.
So, from where I am looking the whole direction is very troubled and difficult, and definitely unrealistic in terms of any kind of propaganda win.
I suppose we will just have to be attentive, but as you say, is much more than a frantic effort at securing a ceasefire. I actually take the view that the western position is mostly token because “Israel” and US have already decided that the simplest and most expedient is to level and then occupy Gaza, and to completely eliminate Hamas and resistance from the territory over the coming years or decades.

Posted by: Ornot | Apr 26 2024 14:27 utc | 109

I think the key question now is, what does Israel do? Nothing seems to break them free from a slow bleed across the board: North Israel, Gaza, geopolitics, their economy. No dramatic solution in sight.

Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 26 2024 14:40 utc | 111

I appreciated Paveway’s post. It should include the fact that the months long decrease in Suez Canal traffic has contributed to the economic woes of Egypt and the question arises if this side effect of Houthi activity was incidental or intentional. In a conspiracy world, that financial pressure forces the hand of Egypt.
—
As to Pepe’s amazing performance jumping the shark. Having seen the stories from the other side with satellite pics of destroyed S300 radar in Isfahan and then the Pepe yarn, it occurred that if those sat pics were doctored, it shows that the other side at least has some respect for the intelligence of people they are trying to convince.
The two “asian powers” involved are obviously IRI and RF. All this smoke is to cover the fact that S300 radar was taken out with mere drones. 100% trust means “my handlers”. The bit about “trust is an Asian value” made me LOL as an actual Asian. It’s a clown world indeed.
And here is this interesting little article form RT, an RF propaganda organ (it was on their main site this morning but now has disappeared – but it pull ups in search engines when you punch in the name of the (Russian Jewish) author and RT.com:
— from the source (if you can’t access rt) emphasis added —
Here’s why Iran decided not to attack Israel again
April 24, 2024
By Kommersant FM political observer Mikhail Gurevich
Iran has again threatened Israel with a harsh response to aggression by the Jewish state. Tehran’s army and Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps will ensure those who cross red lines regret it, Deputy Chief of the Army for Coordination, Habibollah Sayyari has warned.
Israel, meanwhile, has refrained from speaking out against Tehran, instead focusing its political rhetoric on Hamas. In particular, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has promised to increase military and political pressure on the Palestinian group in the near future, in order to motivate it to release hostages, the Times of Israel reports.
The good news is that there will be no Iran-Israel war. At least not at this stage.
Tehran has chosen not to react vociferously to the Israeli air force’s retaliatory strike, dismissing all reports of the destruction of the radar protecting the Natanz nuclear centre as ‘Zionist intrigue’. The bottom line is that we have two air raids attributed to Israel and one very large Iranian strike. In the latter case, everything was official and the Islamic Republic can therefore claim an entry in the Guinness Book of Records with an article on the largest number of UAVs and ballistic missiles involved in a single offensive operation.
Incidentally, we do not know what the real effect of the large-scale attack was. Iran, like Israel, is carefully hides damage data. However, the political consequences of such events are far more important. And, as usual in the Middle East, a dozen seemingly unrelated problems have become intertwined. After the Iranian strike, for example, Western countries began to advise Israel not to react, though rumour has it that the Jewish State was negotiating for the right to launch a military operation in Rafah, the last Hamas stronghold in Gaza.
Then in the end, it lost patience and responded.
The Iranians had options. The Ayatollahs could have said that Israel had again crossed all the red lines. This would have led to further escalation, but might have protected Hamas. But Iran, for its own reasons, ignored the Palestinians and reported through the press that nothing serious had happened.
The reason for this peacefulness is probably that they envisaged a working alliance between Israel, Jordan and the Sunni monarchies of the Persian Gulf. This is precisely the nightmare that the Iranians have done their utmost to prevent. They even restored diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia in 2023. But apparently confrontation with the Shiites is more important to moderate Sunnis than dislike of the Jews.
According to military analysts, if the Israeli Air Force did attack Iranian air defences, it means that they probably flew over Jordan or the Arabian Peninsula, and it is unlikely that this was done without the consent of the Hashemite Kingdom or the Saudis. As a result, the military alliance is not only defensive, which means that virtually all of Iran’s proxies in the region, including Hezbollah, the Houthis and the Shia militias in Iraq and Syria, are at risk.
For now, however, this is all a hypothetical picture. A three-way alliance requires the normalisation of Israel’s relations with Riyadh and, as part of the deal, the signing of a defence agreement with the US, as well as American-Israeli goodwill for the establishment of nuclear capability in Saudi Arabia.
And all this has to happen before the end of June. Otherwise, Washington will not be able to get the relevant decisions through Congress because of the upcoming election. Obviously, the Iranians believe that further escalation will only accelerate the process described above. That is why they prefer to pretend that they are fighting for peace. The very peace for which no stone should be left unturned on this planet. But that will come later.
This article was first published by Kommersant, translated and edited by the RT team
[https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/6663216%5D
— end —
That last line almost reads like a reference to a hadith about end times and stones telling Muslims about who’s hiding behind them.

Posted by: asian | Apr 26 2024 14:52 utc | 113

The only way to stop the genocide is to stop it on the streets of US UK AND EU.
Thats the suorce of the problem that is Gaza.
Democracy ? forget it.
Without western funds what is israel.
Follow the money.
Turn off the spigot.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 26 2024 15:00 utc | 115

@ john | Apr 26 2024 9:32 utc | 99
yes, there is that too and that can’t be dismissed either.. thanks..
@ oldhippie | Apr 26 2024 13:33 utc | 105
thanks.. chris hedges seems to think differently..

Posted by: james | Apr 26 2024 15:19 utc | 117

The poem by Martin Niemöller has been mentioned at least twice in this thread.
At it’s heart, Martin Niemöller’s poem (“They came first for the socialists and I did not speak out…”)
is about self-interest — protecting one’s own ass.
Sum it up this way.

“Don’t speak up because it is the right thing to do.
Speak up else they will soon come for you.”

The poem lists various groups, each one ignoring
the plight of the ones that were taken before them.
Thus, a group found further down in the poem bears
the most guilt as they were silent to the plight of
the most groups.
Not only is the poem itself about self-interest
it can be used and promoted in a self-servicing way.
There are various versions of the poem.
On Boston’s historical Freedom Trail is found a collection of
museums, churches, meeting houses, burying grounds, parks, a ship
and historic markers related to the American Revolution.
Someone thought it would be a good idea to ingratiate themselves
into the memory of the American Revolution with a
New England Holocaust Memorial on Boston’s Freedom Trail.
Catholic Cardinal Law, who would later flee to the Vatican after the
child rape scandal broke, worked with local Jewish prominents to create
the memorial.
This is their self-serving version of Martin Niemöller’s poem they put
into granite at the New England Holocaust Memorial on Boston’s Freedom Trail.
See what they did here?
Jews are moved way up the list so they are only at fault for not caring about Communists.
(And, “who cares about Communists, anyway”.)
Jews were moved up before Trade Unionists.
Catholics were added as a persecuted group.
And last, dead last, bearing the most guilt on the list are the Protestants.
Not only that but the formula has ever been “I did not speak up because I was NOT x”
That is, one is NOT part of a particular group, that is why you didn’t speak up.
In this Boston Jewish/Catholic version the Protestants are listed as:
“I didn’t speak up because I WAS a Protestant.”

They came first for the Communists,
But I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then They came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

A self-interest poem
written into granite
for self-servicing purposes.
Thus, how surprising that we find today that the lesson of the Holocaust Museums, memorials, days set aside for rememberance,
untold numbers of books and movies all reinforce a narcistic self-interest.
And it is in the self-interest of some people
to turn their backs on Genocide.

Posted by: librul | Apr 26 2024 15:45 utc | 119

The eldest daughter of the Palestinian professor, poet and writer Refaat al-Alareer was killed in an Israeli airstrike along with her husband and baby.
Al-Alareer was killed last December in his sister’s house which was deliberately targeted.
b dedicated a post to him.
Some of you may remember his poem written last November:
“If I die, let it be a tale.”
If I must die,
you must live
to tell my story …
https://english.palinfo.com/news/2024/04/26/318009/

Posted by: JB | Apr 26 2024 15:55 utc | 121

Posted by: X Exile | Apr 26 2024 15:51 utc | 120
No one has said more outrageous things on X than I
They will allow you to post again if you take down the “offensive’ post
If Jate Hews is allowed to post anything goes lol
https://twitter.com/i/status/1781785087475851450
and of course we all know about ‘foundring”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1782526917109006760
I thank Elon Musk

Posted by: ld | Apr 26 2024 16:02 utc | 123

The open question is how Russia would have known to shoot down that particular plane.
@Posted by: Patrick al-Henrygazh | Apr 26 2024 4:21 utc | 84
Yes, an important question indeed.
The Israelis I am sure would love to know.
1) is there an Israeli Leaker – a person.
2) are the Israelis bugged
3) is the radar/satellite monitoring of the Russians more advanced than previously expected

Posted by: librul | Apr 26 2024 16:08 utc | 125

Reuters reports that Ben Gvir was only slightly injured.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 26 2024 16:21 utc | 127

Blinken in China: “it’s a hallmark of our democracy that our citizens make known their views, their concerns, their anger, at any given time, and I think that reflects the strength of the country, the strength of democracy… It is also notable that there is silence about Hamas, as if it wasn’t even part of the story…this could be over tomorrow, it could have been over yesterday, it could have been over months ago, if Hamas had put down its weapons, stopped hiding behind civilians, released the hostages and surrendered. But of course it has chosen not to do that.”
Blinken’s attempt at equivalency will go nowhere for the same reasons similar arguments went nowhere during the Vietnam era.
Blinken’s “solution” that Hamas simply surrender is also a non-starter, as was again confirmed yesterday by the rejection of an 18-country “peace-plan” which called for unilateral release of hostages in exchange for vague (non-binding) assurances.
Craig Murray is correct: the western politicians don’t actually believe what they say, but it is their job to say it. The Gaza project is almost out of time – Israel was unsuccessful just as Ukraine was. The West faces direct intervention in both places at the same time. There is no Plan B.

Posted by: jayc | Apr 26 2024 16:32 utc | 129

@Posted by: jayc | Apr 26 2024 16:32 utc | 129
Also, Blinken and especially Netanyahu, don’t actually want Hamas to surrender
until Israel has completed their ethnic cleansing project.
Blinken: “this could be over tomorrow”.
But *this* does not include the oppression of the Palestinians nor
the theft of their land. That wouldn’t end.
On October 6th Netanyahu was just a few months away from annexing a majority chunk of what remains of the West Bank.

Posted by: librul | Apr 26 2024 16:47 utc | 131

Thanks Crone128
Having been to protests all my life I have yet to see a so called fake one. the Large BML ones were run by the corporate arm of BLM. But the protests in Portland and across the country had nothing to do with “BLM”. They had to do with Violent Israeli trained cops! Who target black men in particular but people of color in general. They were scary, including a murder that my daughter witnessed in Seattle. I don’t think the dead man was faked! I had truckers try to run us over, and white supremest with massive arms showing up at every one! In Oregon the anti genocide protests have also been threatened by nut jobs nothing fake about them nor is the fact that 100 or more have been brutally arrested. Of course some of the people making the fake claim, make this about every major event, everything has been faked.

Posted by: Susan | Apr 26 2024 17:45 utc | 133

mk @124
Ben Gvir’s trouble puts one in mind of (I think it was) Oscar Wilde’s response to the news that an opponent was sick; “Nothing trivial, I hope.”

Posted by: bevin | Apr 26 2024 18:03 utc | 135

@bevin | Apr 26 2024 17:27 utc | 132

From a logical point of view Egypt has little reason […] not to leave the imperialist side[…]

What? Egypt has no chance to leave the “imperialist” side. Egypt, like most MENA countries, is just another bankrupt shithole country on life saving measures. Its economy is pure shit, its demography is totally out of control, its finance down the drain. If Egypt does the wrong move, Western countries can screw it without even moving a finger: it would suffice to stop accepting Egyptian migrants, it would suffice to downgrade its debt (as it happened with Morsi), it would suffice to stop the financial aid or the import of Egyptian goods (which can get into the EU thanks to special exemptions). A wrong move, and Egypt will find itself on its knees, which is a pretty bad situation for a country which is on its last leg.

Posted by: SG | Apr 26 2024 18:29 utc | 137

@ juliania | Apr 26 2024 18:03 utc | 134
To clarify: I’m a crotchety old fool who often sounds offended, when I’m only puzzled, perplexed, implicitly asking for clarification of poetically obscure passages. I’m starting to get more impatient with people who don’t mind floating off into Nuclear Wonderland, where everything (including mirror images) is a mirror image, with our trial balloon escorts Pepe & Sy. But this impatience of mine is more pity than anger. Karl might be a little slow on the uptake, on this one, but I have confidence he’ll come around and eventually rejoin those of us who prefer reality. And I still miss RSH’s contributions around here, even though his hunches lead him astray concerning Pepe’s miraculous nuke. I wish he could get unbanned, though I understand why b felt it necessary at the time…
Oh well. Partly it’s survivor’s guilt. I feel I’ve got nearly the chip-on-the-shoulder volatility of RSH, mean as hell, and yet I’m tolerated so far. Why? If a zebra could change its stripes, I’d model myself after james, here. Look at his gentle response to oldhippie in this thread:
@ james | Apr 26 2024 4:32 utc | 86
Simply thanking oldhippie (for a wretchedly ugly post dissing young folks), and offering a contrary opinion. The kind of thing I wish I could do, but ugliness like that pisses me off too much.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 26 2024 19:27 utc | 139

posted this link in the Open Thread to recent ZH article on Soros funding the student protests:
George Soros Paying Student Agitators To Whip Up Anti-Israel Protests
https://tinyurl.com/y8j53ncy
Saying they are ‘staged’ is not the same as saying there might be concerted organization behind them. Who is buying all the tents, for example? How come so many different places are coming up with the same tactic in a matter of days? Clearly, there is some sort of organization.
Like the BLM riots: in many different cities, somebody laid out piles of bricks and two-by-fours shortly before the riots which the rioters used to break windows and loot. Moreover, even though some outlets published pictures of these piles, municipal authorities, including of course police, chose not to remove them. Maybe most of the protesters in the demonstrations and riots were for real and so not ‘staged’ but clearly here was some organization behind it which the media chose to ignore.
These student protests seem the same. There is some sort of concerted organization behind them. Which begs the question: what is their purpose?

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 26 2024 20:00 utc | 141

CBS, World
As Netanyahu compares U.S. university protests to Nazi Germany, young Palestinians welcome the support
By Emmet Lyons, Marwan al-Ghoul
Updated on: April 25, 2024 / 6:58 AM EDT / CBS News “What’s happening in America’s college campuses is horrific. Antisemitic mobs have taken over leading universities,” Netanyahu claimed. “They call for the annihilation of Israel. They attack Jewish students. They attack Jewish faculty. This is reminiscent of what happened in German universities in the 1930s.”
“It’s unconscionable,” said the veteran Israeli politician who, to secure his current third term in office two years ago partnered with some of his country’s most extreme, ultra-nationalist parties to form Israel’s most far-right government ever.
——-
I actually did not expect that from American media. I stopped following it, and I have seen example of ultra-sanitized and ultra-biased reporting, but perhaps clobbering of people who could well be children or siblings of the media people, an earlier massacre of an extremely photogenic aid organization, practically sponsored by 5 Eyes (to showcase how the humanitarian West is with its Gaza pier), shocking 28 billion aid to Israel, the enormity of Israeli hubris, at some point it may be too much and something is breaking.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 26 2024 20:08 utc | 143

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 26 2024 20:00 utc | 141
“These student protests seem the same. There is some sort of concerted organization behind them. Which begs the question: what is their purpose?”
The purpose I suspect is to provoke the students to violence, obviously. That way the media can better demonize them through selective framing.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Apr 26 2024 20:33 utc | 145

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 26 2024 20:10 utc | 144
Don’t know where you’re from Aleph, but one informal meaning (out of several possible meanings) of the idiomatic phrase “begs the question” is “raises the question.”

Posted by: Mary | Apr 26 2024 20:37 utc | 147

It isn’t nice to call out the intrinsically racist roots of settler-colonialism, is it? Definitely bad manners to notice that the people perpetrating versus subject to settler-colonial policies, up to and including the Holocaust in Gaza, just happen to be on opposite sides of a racial divide.
To Aime Cesaire, the question of racial supremacy and inferiority raised by settler-colonialism predates and subsumes the class divide Marx wrote of. “Marx is okay, but we need to dig deeper” (to paraphrase).
But Cesaire wasn’t so nice, maybe. Neither was Malvina Reynolds…

It isn’t nice to block the doorway,
It isn’t nice to go to jail,
There are nicer ways to do it
But the nice ways always fail.
It isn’t nice, it isn’t nice,
Well thanks for your advice,
But if that is freedom’s price,
We don’t mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lWkV2QpgQo

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 26 2024 21:08 utc | 149

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 26 2024 20:46 utc | 148
Thxs for your reply.
The Egypt angle reveals how many layers and levels there are beyond the usual over-simplified narratives through which we view most events.
Speaking of narratives, that probably is one of such layers viz the ‘anti-Israel’ student protests. Along with information gathering such as you mentioned, there could be a level in which the antisemitism theme is being brought forward. That the Israeli PM, arguably one of the most influential politicians in America, is weighing in shows it is important. Perhaps more draconian hate crime legislation is on the menu, with maybe the distinction between criticizing Israel versus criticizing Jews in general being soon collapsed.

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 26 2024 21:26 utc | 151

SG | Apr 26 2024 18:29 utc | 137
Your arguments work better as reasons for leaving the empire behind, and aligning with Iran, Russia, China and the many others whose experience of empire- and in Egypt that goes right back to the turn of the C19th- has been ruinous.
Egypt should repudiate much of its debt and renegotiate the rest- it is an example of a country which has been systematically looted, beaten and raped by imperialists.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 26 2024 21:39 utc | 153

paveway@148. as always we are fortunate whenever you visit, & as often happens your observations are causing more than a moment’s pause.
like many i’ve been involved in protests for years yet i agree i’ve never seen police arrive in the first week or 2. snipers? never! i suppose maidan changed the protocol. possibly since then it’s standard? overall, your observations are spot on. something is not ‘kosher’.
that kids haven’t bothered to question doesn’t surprise, that they may be simply repelled & horrified by genocide & that that horror may be their prime motive also doesn’t surprise. kids have been taught since kindergarten not to judge based on colour, culture or religion but to love all the children in their classroom, playground, neighbourhood. this sesame street indoctrination has taken, way better than the vax, kids today love kids without bias but whether the kid across from them is nice or not. killing infants is not nice. killing pregnant mothers is not nice. for the kids carrying placards it may be just that simple. so what is nutty to do—jewish kids are protesting ffs. they are making a distinction between zionazis & jews. omg! don’t panic, simply send in the snipers. start arresting anyone & everyone that shows up @ a campus demonstration or a conspiracy theory website. lockdown, shutdown. it’s the only thing to do. for the love of god don’t let this thing get outta control. we got enough on our hands, what? doncha know it’s ww3 already, where have ya been?

Posted by: emersonreturn | Apr 26 2024 21:53 utc | 155

@Susan
Cops hunting black men is a very rare event, taken to mythological levels.
A black man is 10-40 times as likely to attack a White man in America, including a White cop.

Posted by: BananaKilt | Apr 26 2024 22:05 utc | 157

https://twitter.com/cirnosad/status/1783840774771404865

Posted by: crone | Apr 26 2024 22:27 utc | 159

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/26/pro-palestinian-protests-college-campuses

Posted by: JAB | Apr 26 2024 23:14 utc | 161

this is an israeli prisoner of Hamas
He adresses Netenyahu in the video
he is 24 years old and was captured oct 7
the bombs dropped by israel killed 70 other captives
it appears legit to me
https://twitter.com/i/status/1783135612758855722

Posted by: ld | Apr 26 2024 23:37 utc | 163

This is just another boost to the US finally going down the toilet forever.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/04/free-speech-on-the-ropes-legislation-to-revoke-not-for-profit-status-of-organizations-that-support-palestine-protests-passes-in-house.html
Posted by: JAB | Apr 26 2024 23:15 utc | 162
quotes — this bill, H.R. 6408, also removes pretty much all due process rights, so its targets have effectively no recourse. The pretext is that pro-Palestine protests are supporting terrorist organizations, as in Hamas.
This measures is so far under the radar that so far, only Friedman and Matthew Petti at Reason seem to have noticed it. And Petti has pointed out that the Secretary of the Treasury can designate any organization to be “terrorist-supporting organization,” so the does not think, as Friedman seems to, that any other measures are needed to allow an Administration to try to financially cripple not-for-profits engaging in wrong speech.
Note that the messaging depicting Hamas as somehow behind the campus protests has increased: Speaker Mike Johnson, claiming that Hamas supports the pro-Palestinian protests at Columbia University and other U.S. colleges, has threatened congressional intervention, including pulling federal funding from the institutions.
—————-
IT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO END UP HERE ….. WARNINGS WERE GIVEN ENDLESSLY [ Chomsky, Patriot Act, Gitmo, Iraq WMD Lies, The Clintons, The Twitter Files, Libya, Syria, The GFC Bailouts, Greece, Wikileaks, Julian Assange, Maidan, the Israel Lobby, Jeremy Corbyn ] ….. and INVERTED TOTALITARIANISM
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/11/02/sheldon-wolin-and-inverted-totalitarianism

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 0:31 utc | 165

PS on Lies and Oppression : Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 0:31 utc | 165
And the 2016 US election – and Russiagate was a warning.
AS was the social media manipulation during BREXIT, and Obamas 2 elections.
The Mercers and Trump pro-Israel Bias and Advertising
Cambridge Analytica FFS https://www.channel4.com/news/topic/cambridge-analytica
And so it goes ….
Now it is far too late … only mass revolution can solve today’s meta crisis across the west’s Golden Billion …. and most are too lazy and stupid to realise it is a crisis (yet).

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 0:47 utc | 167

In fact, there’s something really odd about them. I wouldn’t go so far as to say they’re staged, but the certainly seem ‘managed’.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 26 2024 20:46 utc | 148
A beat up!
There has not been a mass movement of protests that has not be planned, organized, arranged, managed, led, funded in some form, supported by special interests of some form, coordinated, promoted, advertised, and involved various STRUCTURED GROUPS that has ever existed since Julius Caesar was assassinated.
Please Park the Paranoia where it belongs – In Silence!
Or produce the EVIDENCE of nefarious conspiracy at work! Not Innuendo alone!

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 0:56 utc | 169

fyi,
we’re asking the mafia to investigate a large mass grave found outside Las Vegas……
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/27101
Reporter: Bodies unearthed in Gaza’s mass graves show torture and signs of being buried alive, Palestinians called for an independent investigation, what’s wrong with that?
State Department Principal Deputy Spox. Patel: We’re asking Israel to investigate
Reporter: You’re asking the accused to investigate itself?
Patel: We’re asking Israel to investigate

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 27 2024 1:20 utc | 171

Lavrov’s Dog@169 – I’ll humbly suggest you’re completely missing the point, but oh well…
“Please Park the Paranoia where it belongs – In Silence!”
No. Curious why you (incorrectly) interpret my opinions as a global attack on the idea of pro-Palestinian/anti-genocide protests (they’re not), and why you consider the suggestion of yet more state Machiavellianism as “Paranoia”? Are you really that Pollyannaish or do you work for CNN?
“…Or produce the EVIDENCE of nefarious conspiracy at work! Not Innuendo alone!”
This is the Whiskey Bar, not a courtroom. Evidence? What, like text messages to snipers and signed documents for pre-arranged Stazi presence? IMIE scraper logs? College patron’s testimony under oath instructing administrators to immediately crush all anti-Israeli protests with over-the-top LE presence? FFS, you sound like a tool of the state.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 27 2024 1:36 utc | 173

Perhaps the administrators of these universitys should peer revue netinyahoos sereal lying before judgeing protesters.
Perhaps the administrars, paticulaly new york university should pop down the road and take advice from the headquarters of UN regarding israeals Genicide against Palastinians.
Its clear by now who are the terrorists and who are the victems.
Or have i missed something.
Any degree from these university are devalued otherwise.
Meanwhile in another part of new york the possable next president of america is on trial for paying of his prostitute.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 27 2024 1:43 utc | 175

The nafo corgi vs paveway. I have to laugh at that. Not up to following all the comments at the moment but that caught my eye.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 27 2024 2:09 utc | 177

ZH has a posting up with the title
Pentagon Chief Trolls Iran On Effectiveness Of Weapons After Israel Attack
the quote

“They should be questioning the effectiveness of their weapons systems and their planning,” Austin told reporters in reference to the Iranians and their military.
“Hopefully they don’t walk away from this over-confident that they can do this at will, because I think Israel has demonstrated that it has a significant ability to defend itself,” Austin added.

So here is Austin almost two weeks later saying this stuff….”significant ability to defend itself.”
Hey Austin! The US couldn’t even back up the Occupied Palestine defenses against the Iran attack. You are full of BS!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 27 2024 2:20 utc | 179

And I still miss RSH’s contributions around here, even though his hunches lead him astray concerning Pepe’s miraculous nuke. I wish he could get unbanned, though I understand why b felt it necessary at the time…

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 26 2024 19:27 utc | 139
Sorry to disagree, Aleph_Null, and perhaps it should be fleshed out as to why he was banned?
I don’t miss him at all. There was a link upthread to his blog (yes, he has a blog, so he can say anything he wants), but I din’t click on it.
No need to.
I’ve seen all angels of this vile character, having been exposed to his writings, since I think 2007-8 — when real men wanted to go to Tehran — when he posted at the Flint and Hillary Mann Leverett’s site: goingtotehran.com (previously named raceforiran.com, changed after the duo published a book with the same title).
If you don’t agree with him, you are either an idiot, or more often, his favorite term, a moron.
He is a one trick pony, though. He’s beating that horse for multi-decades. Horse, you say? Why, yes, the “war on Iran” horse, of course. I’m sure the images of bloody Iranian babies excites him much.
Don’t ever oppose him, or you’ll be threatened with death. I forget the name of the poster, here, now, but yes, this character, threatened the poster with death. The poster uploaded a jpg of it to internet for permanent record keeping. I’m sure MoA archives holds a record.
Beware of those you allow to lead you, or better yet, those you oppose.
Factoid: b used to use goingtotehran as a sandbox. Good to know you all along, b. Superb reporting on the Syrian war, as always. wishing you a speedy recovery.
Please, if I may: I consider Flint and Hillary Mann Leverett true US American patriots, as they always wanted their country to do better. I recommend their book. I hope they are reading this. Much regards.
Cheers,

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 27 2024 4:32 utc | 181

james@174….James, I have no skin in the game, just look at and process the info. On what you provided one might get the impression that caucasians are not shot by US police officers, regardless of the skin colour of said officers.
There is no break down of ethnicity of the officers killing the coloured folks in the info you provided, except one where it was five black police officers…..not that that should matter, or excuse it, but it does skew the stats. Is it a racial thing? Socioeconomic? Or just shit scared cops that know on any given night you might be leaving a widow and orphans at home.
One misconception is that it’s white cops killing black people…..is it? Those stats would go a long way in proving or disproving any systemic level of violence committed by US, any actually, law enforcement. Not saying that it doesn’t happen, but without the break downs anyone can use that type of info for their own agenda.
Cheers M
It’s a shitty job and rarely do good people put on a uniform to ‘serve and protect’ what does wind up in a uniform is far from what one might expect from an officer of the law. Some people should never be allowed guns and some people in uniform should never be allowed to touch them.
Coming to your neck of the woods soon, Courtney, visiting an old jammin’ bud, he’s also an ex cop, one of the good ones though…first time to the island for me.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 27 2024 5:30 utc | 183

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 27 2024 1:36 utc | 173
I just found it terribly annoying as it pushed all my buttons like a symphony orchestra tuning up.
But yes, you got me. I work for CNN and I supplement my income moonlighting on weekends for one of the cointelpro CIA PsyOps teams out of Atlanta. Someone’s gotta do it, so may as well be me.
Cheers LD 🙂

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 5:45 utc | 185

I caught a bit of an interview of Blinken on somebody else’s TV. He really looked as though he might burst into tears at how despicable China is to totally misinterpret the ongoing peace mission of USUKIS in Palestine. Well of course if China insists on misinterpreting our rational, caring approach to Muslim animals in our land, we will have to deal with them and if necessary
fight them .
The USUKIS wonks are psychotic , which simply means they don’t know they’re totally insane.

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 27 2024 5:58 utc | 187

@Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 27 2024 4:32 utc | 181

Don’t ever oppose him, or you’ll be threatened with death. I forget the name of the poster, here, now, but yes, this character, threatened the poster with death. The poster uploaded a jpg of it to internet for permanent record keeping. I’m sure MoA archives holds a record.

https://postimg.cc/dDN4J6rQ

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 27 2024 6:21 utc | 189

Arch Bungle@182….why would he be at a stabbing scene….odd that.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 27 2024 5:44 utc | 184
Yeah, I didn’t ask further here as my brain short circuited.
I suspect he thought he could nab another Palestinian in the act of stabbing a settler and make a big hoo haa about it, then found out it was just one yid trying to butcher another and rushed home in a huff.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 27 2024 8:12 utc | 191

OK well fwiw a one off post of misc X comments/media about Gaza (graphic usually) …. via nitter alt site
useful iranian source compiler – https://nitter.poast.org/s_m_marandi/with_replies
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 6:09 utc | 188
FWIW, the UN’s office for Human Rights is aware of it and are at least not keeping quiet about it:
UN’s Office for Human Rights paints grim picture of Israeli atrocities in Gaza | Janta Ka Reporter
United Nations’ Office for Human Rights has painted an incredibly grim picture of Israeli war crimes in Gaza. This is what Ravina Ravina Shamdasani, the UNOHR spokesperson, told reporters last week.

The spokeswoman certainly gives it the straight dope here.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 27 2024 8:41 utc | 193

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 27 2024 9:10 utc | 194
very unpleasant response. Your discourse is not what I come (have come since the beginning) to MoA to see.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 27 2024 9:19 utc | 195

89 – College/university youth are often smarter and more preceptive than the general run of young people, and the economy and the monetarisation of education leaves many of them impoverished without the prospect of decent jobs. Some real potential for radicalisation there. In fact French students on the eve of 1968 were probably in a better situation than today’s students.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 27 2024 9:44 utc | 197

“Organize!”
Organizes and acts on it.
“How suspiciously well organized…”
“Fight the power!”
Fights the power.
“Any way you fight the power is what the power wanted you to do anyway.”
Schroedinger’s Empire will always defeat the Dilettante Leftist.
Regardless of one’s cynicism at some point you have to accept the risk of chance, of action, otherwise you are wasting everyone’s time. At the very least be useful and caution the current doers where past traps were laid. And if not that do of your own accord in your own garden, in tangent to this current effort. Being productive and helpful is harder than being jaded; try the harder things again, even if you were burnt before.
Keep your hopes up, my sunzabitches! 🙂
/cheep cheep

Posted by: titmouse | Apr 27 2024 9:56 utc | 199