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April 20, 2024

Palestine Open Thread 2024-115

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine.

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Posted by: Genji | Apr 20 2024 13:26 utc | 1

The Truth about Israel's attempted attack on Iran according to Pepe Escobar.
An excerpt from his Xeet:

THE REAL STORY OF THE ISRAELI COUNTER RESPONSE:
...
Israel initially chose to respond with extreme force.

An F-35 loaded with a nuclear bomb was sent east over Jordan.

The mission: cause a high-altitude detonation over Iran that would provoke a surge in the high-capacity power lines, crippling Iran's electric grid, as well as disabling all electronic devices.

An EMP attack.

However...

... As the Israeli F-35 was leaving Jordanian airspace it was shot down by the Russian Air Force...


Posted by: Laura Roslin | Apr 20 2024 13:28 utc | 2

Interesting turn of events if as Pepe claims Russia downed a stealthy F35 loaded with love heading for Iran. Of course the issue, if true, it is being swept under the Persian rug. Like totally fucked up. It should be being screamed from the Prayer Towers. Like icing on a Genocide Cake baked with bits of Palestinians. No no no, let's hide it. As if it never happened, maybe, hmm ......it didn't.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 20 2024 13:34 utc | 3

Posted by: Laura Roslin | Apr 20 2024 13:28 utc | 2


"The Truth about Israel's attempted attack on Iran according to Pepe Escobar."

"An EMP attack.[by Israel] However...... As the Israeli F-35 was leaving Jordanian airspace it was shot down by the Russian Air Force..."

Mr. Escobar has left the planet and is now operating from somewhere in outer space.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Apr 20 2024 13:38 utc | 4

The Zionist supporting NYT newsrags brings in new guidelines.

"In a bid to whitewash Israeli genocidal war crimes in the Gaza Strip, the New York Times has introduced new writing guidelines for its journalists, according to a leaked internal memo.

The American newspaper has called on its reporters covering Israel’s war on Gaza to refrain from using terms such as "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" to describe the violence unleashed on Palestinians, while also advising to avoid the phrase "occupied territory" when referring to the occupied Palestinian territories.

Authored by NYT standards editor Susan Wessling, international editor Philip Pan, and their deputies, the memo also advises against the use of the word Palestine “except in very rare cases”.

“Do not use in datelines, routine text or headlines, except in very rare cases such as when the United Nations General Assembly elevated Palestine to a nonmember observer state, or references to historic Palestine,” the memo reads.

The omission of the words “genocide” and “ethnic cleansing” also are in line with the newspaper’s deliberate spin-doctoring of news related to the unfolding genocide in Gaza, which has already claimed more than 34,000 innocent lives, the majority of them children and women.

Journalists working with the New York Times have also been advised against using the term "refugee camps" to describe areas in Gaza settled by displaced Palestinians, despite their recognition by the United Nations and housing hundreds of thousands of registered refugees.

The memo claims to provide guidance on terminology and issues amid the Israeli genocidal war against Gaza. However, several Times employees have warned that it reflects a bias towards official Israeli narratives, lacking acknowledgment of the historical context of Israeli occupation."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 14:00 utc | 5

The relentless genocide and occupation in historic Palestine and Gaza remains unabated. Tragic that the international community is not working harder to bring an end to this latest holocaust in modern history.

Posted by: AI | Apr 20 2024 14:11 utc | 6

A very logical telling sentence that other nations must adopt if they too seek a two-state solution.

“How can we say we want a [so-called] two-state solution if we do not recognize Palestine as a State,” Symmonds stated."

"Barbados has announced its decision to officially recognize Palestine as a state, becoming the 11th member of the Caribbean Community (CARICOM) to adopt such a measure.

Foreign Minister Kerrie Symmonds said in a statement on Friday that the cabinet had “made the determination that the time is ripe for us to have a formal diplomatic recognition of the State of Palestine.”

“How can we say we want a [so-called] two-state solution if we do not recognize Palestine as a State,” Symmonds stated.

He stressed that the island nation has always maintained at the United Nations that there should be a two-state solution.

Symmonds criticized, however, the fact that Barbados has never recognized Palestine until now.

“I think [it was] an error that we have made through the years,” he said. “And now, we have formally reached out to the State of Palestine to signal our intention to formally recognize them as a State,” he added."

Meanwhile, the Palestinian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Expatriates has welcomed the decision of Barbados to recognize the State of Palestine with East al-Quds as its capital.

The foreign ministry said in a statement that the step reflects Barbados’ eagerness to support the Palestinian people and their inalienable and legitimate rights in their land."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 14:12 utc | 7

Germany is fast becoming a pariah state with regards to its undying loyalty to the Zionists, this courageous young man takes a stand.

"German authorities have arrested Jewish activist Udi Raz for organizing pro-Palestinian demonstrations in the country.

The Berlin resident lost his job after he was labeled an antisemitic by German authorities for calling Israel an "apartheid state."

“I migrated here with a promise that I can live my life in a progressive, democratic, liberal state. Since the 7th of October all the masks have fallen. It is clear when we talk about Germany, we cannot anymore talk about democracy," said Udi Raz, a 34-year-old anti-Zionism Israel-born activist in an online video.

Raz was fired from his position as a tour guide at the Jewish Museum in Berlin when he referred to Israel’s occupation of the West Bank as “apartheid”.

Raz who grew up in Haifa felt a severe apartheid setup knitted around him. The inferior treatment given to Palestinians made him uneasy forcing him to migrate to Germany.

He thought Germany was a free country that believed in equality but as time passed his beliefs came crashing down."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 14:21 utc | 8

RE: Posted by: Laura Roslin | Apr 20 2024 13:28 utc | 2

The story is plausible. But has red flags:
1) The idea Pepe wants Sy Hersh “sources” to confirm/write about it. We’ve all understood, Sy is double dealing in his PR work of late.
2) Burying the story. Not believing as Russians never miss an opportunity to confront legally at UNSC and this would fit the perfect bill for the “thwarted” attack, which would NOT necessarily lead to WW3 but the complete ruination of Israel political class, and force US compliance to sanction condemn ect Israel. Of course after their myriad of “no knowledge” “wasn’t informed” montage. In addition, it would help US to get rid of the whole cabinet & obstinate Gantz/Gallant.
3) The idea of NOT publicly revealing, does not mean there is or will be an avoidance of WW3… frankly it only increases now that attempt is buried.

So, overall, true story or not, WW3 already began with the terror attack on Moscow theatre. It’s all in motion from there now. No sincere attempts to stop a hot war will be made by anyone.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 14:41 utc | 9

So what we have now is Iran downplaying the gravity of the Israeli "strike" and the West trying to hype it. Interesting. I suppose from the western side, they don't want the Izzies to be seen as impotent. Iran's motives seem a bit more ambiguous. The western attack, I think western is the word there, not Israeli, does seem to have had a lot of moving parts, like maybe they attempted to hit as many parts of the "resistance" as they could.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 20 2024 14:52 utc | 10

Which makes me think of the Beirut blast which was caused by some working guy. And the Ukie passenger plane shot down in Tehran. Things like that. Not to mention the Gaza "situation". Btw pepe had a theory about ukie passenger plane too but b shot that theory down.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 14:53 utc | 11

The Escobar theory is somewhat wild - going to Iran is very close to the F35 range limit, if not beyond. It would have needed refuelling air-to-air or an intermediate base such as Azerbaijan. If it did happen, the Iraqis should have the chance of picking up a nuclear weapon from the downed plane.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 20 2024 14:57 utc | 12

The foreign ministry said in a statement that the step reflects Barbados’ eagerness to support the Palestinian people and their inalienable and legitimate rights in their land."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 14:12 utc | 7

The saddest thing about the "two state solution" dupes is that in the end they would still be supporting theft of 50% of Palestine and settler colonialism of half the territory instead of all of it.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 14:58 utc | 13

RE: Posted by: Laura Roslin | Apr 20 2024 13:28 utc | 2
Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 14:41 utc | 9

If an F-35 had been downed over anywhere by the Russians the whole world would no of it by now.

The story is bullshit.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 14:59 utc | 14

All those unlucky accidents I mentioned took place while netanyahu was in office. Just sayin'

Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 15:03 utc | 15

@Posted by: Laura Roslin | Apr 20 2024 13:28 utc | 2

Am not a Twitter user.
Explain, please, why, when I go to
Pepe's main Twitter page

https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar

it does not show
the article that you link to in your post.

Assistance please.

Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 15:05 utc | 16

The saddest thing about the "two state solution" dupes is that in the end they would still be supporting theft of 50% of Palestine and settler colonialism of half the territory instead of all of it.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 14:58 utc | 13

The "two state solution" would be an intermediate phase in the slow disappearance of Israel, and in my view should be accepted as a step on the road. Netanyahu has consigned Israel to the end it was always going to have, but we know not when. The Crusaders took a century and a half to leave. Israel chose a militarised policy towards its neighbours, instead of making peace with them; consequently an end to Israel, like the Crusaders, is inevitable.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 20 2024 15:09 utc | 17

@librul | Apr 20 2024 15:05 utc | 16

It's on Pepe's Telegram channel

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2024 15:11 utc | 18

Arch Bungle (13).

Is not half a glass full better than a empty glass, unfortunately Israel in one form or another is here to stay, its to well backed by the West to remove it, maybe the day will come when that changes, but for now I say that the oppressed Palestinians deserve a state of their own, and countries who support the two-state solution should recognise a Palestinian state in whatever shape or form that takes.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 15:12 utc | 19

@librul | Apr 20 2024 15:05 utc | 16

It's on Pepe's Telegram channel

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2024 15:11 utc | 18

and twitter

https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1781652011173253524

Posted by: erichwwk | Apr 20 2024 15:15 utc | 20

@16 - hmm. wonder if someone jacked Pepe's twitter

Posted by: pxx | Apr 20 2024 15:18 utc | 21

unfortunately Israel in one form or another is here to stay, its to well backed by the West to remove it,

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 15:12 utc | 19

I don't agree with that. You exaggerate the power of the "west". The power of the Lobby is Jewish money intervening in American elections. The Gaza genocide is turning a lot of people against that, and elections are notoriously fickle. Netanyahu has put Israel on the road to decline.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 20 2024 15:18 utc | 22

@Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2024 15:11 utc | 18

Thx for the Telegram

Would still appreciate learning how to navigate from

https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar

directly to here:

https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1781652011173253524

Would give me an additional comfort level that it is indeed Escobar's post.

Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 15:22 utc | 23

Larry Johnson discusses Nima Alkhorshid the issue of Israel possibliy using nukes (12 minutes in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjq5fsvbGuo

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2024 15:23 utc | 24

@23 - it's indeed the top post in his twitter account, if you log in or use an anonymous twitter reader for example.

Posted by: pxx | Apr 20 2024 15:25 utc | 25

I would agree with above observation about Sy Hersh. He's been doing ass covering work of late for his one-time enemies.

Posted by: pxx | Apr 20 2024 15:26 utc | 26

IF Escobar's account is actually factual...it can be assumed that there will be a mad scramble by several "interested parties" to scoop up the crash-site with a fine-toothed comb.

Who knows...depending on exactly where the downing might have occurred...whether in Jordan, Syria, Iraq or even Saudi...there could be conflict on the ground...OR...all those interested parties remain mum while intense negations go on in various chancelleries and mil-intel headquarters.

Posted by: arisodemos | Apr 20 2024 15:30 utc | 27

@27 - it's a nonsense story on its face. Both Israel going nuclear at this stage makes no sense from Netanyahu's MO, and "EMP to knock out electronics over a large area" is exaggerated Tom Clancy stuff. If Israel wanted to escalate, the MO is to knock out a power plant or a mosque with a conventional missile strike. Pepe's sources are jerking him around, most likely

Posted by: pxx | Apr 20 2024 15:35 utc | 28

Here's what Pepe posted at his Telegram:

EXCLUSIVE

THE REAL STORY OF THE ISRAELI COUNTER RESPONSE

From a very high level intel source.

In Asia.

NOT Russia-China.

Although the strategic partnership, of course, exchanges at the highest level 24-7.

Confirmed and re-confirmed.

It will be great to know what Sy Hersh hears from his Beltway sources.

Here we go.

Israel initially chose to respond with extreme force.

An F-35 loaded with a nuclear bomb was sent east over Jordan.

The mission: cause a high-altitude detonation over Iran that would provoke a surge in the high-capacity power lines, crippling Iran's electric grid, as well as disabling all electronic devices.

An EMP attack.

However...

... As the Israeli F-35 was leaving Jordanian airspace it was shot down by the Russian Air Force.

Hence the publicised version of the Israeli counter response was such a travesty.

In the end all sides decided not to publicise the real news - to de-escalate what could well turn into WWIII.

Pepe's reporting what his source told him, and the possibility of that scenario is very credible, IMO, given the Zionist's level of craziness.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2024 15:35 utc | 29

The "two state solution" would be an intermediate phase in the slow disappearance of Israel, and in my view should be accepted as a step on the road.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 20 2024 15:09 utc | 17

The problem with even this model (which even I believed in once as an intermediary step) is that the Western powers will never accept a two state solution without the Palestinian being completely neutered, defenceless and under total veto by the other "Jewish State" carved alongside it.

You can be assured that even the equitable allocation of resources (water, agriculture, ports, transport routes etc.) will be skewed in the direction of the European colonialist state "surrounded by hostile Arabs".

That problem doesn't go away, even in the intermediary stage.

From inception, the two state solution will in fact be a grand fallacy, with the Palestinian state being merely a giant Gaza strip with a seat in the U.N.

Next door will be a Zionist state filled with psychopaths pointing the full might of the western military at the new Palestinian state.

The Palestinian state will not be allowed to have international relations. Why would 'Israel' allow an Iranian, North Korean, cuban military base in the state next door?

How long before the new Zionist state decides to bomb the Iranian consulate in the neighbouring Palestinian state?

And on, and on it goes. The Two State Solution as a fundamental concepts falls apart from the minute it is made concrete.

War will break out almost as soon as peace is declared.

The only solution is "Trial by Combat". The Palestinians must win their state by resistance, because Legal Justice is delinquent. If there is to be a two state solution it would be at the discretion of the Palestinian side, though why they'd want this is beyond me.

The only hope?

A one state solution.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 15:37 utc | 30

Posted by: arisodemos | Apr 20 2024 15:30 utc | 27

"...depending on exactly where the downing might have occurred...whether in Jordan, Syria, Iraq or even Saudi...there could be conflict on the ground.."

Maybe the massive attack on Iraqi base at Kalsul, south of Baghdad, had something to do with it. Pentagon vigorously denying any involvement in this attack, naturally:

"A huge explosion rocked a PMU base south of Baghdad less than a day after Israel launched a 'limited' attack inside Iran and its jets heavily bombed Syria."

It's covered in The Cradle, here: https://thecradle.co/articles/pentagon-denies-involvement-in-massive-attack-on-iraqi-security-forces

Posted by: Mexicana | Apr 20 2024 15:39 utc | 31

re: Russians shooting down an F-35

If true, why would the Russians shout about it? Childish bragging? No, the Russians are the adults in the room. Same for the Syrians and Iranians. They already have what they wanted and have no need to prance around like gloating NAFO puppies. They are not fighting a Twitter war, after all.

No, the adults have no need to make noise.

But then what about the Empire and its rabid dog zionists? Aren't they always making noise, even when they have nothing to make noise about? Wouldn't they be shouting from every Operation Mockingbird mass media orifice if their beloved, prized, trump-card, bestest-wunderwaffe-ever, brutally expensive, white elephant F-35 got shot down?

Not a chance. This loss stings bad, and they are biting their tongues to avoid giving their enemies the satisfaction of seeing them cry. Silence is precisely what you would expect from the Empire and its presstitution industry if what Escobar says is true.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 20 2024 15:40 utc | 32

laguerre | Apr 20 2024 15:18 utc | 22--

In reality, it's recycled US monies given to the Zionists that comes back to corrupt elections that's been ongoing for many decades. Same with MIC appropriations and other forms of corporate freerides like the oil depletion allowance the Seven Sisters have used to control the US government since the 1950s.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2024 15:41 utc | 33

The Escobar theory is somewhat wild - going to Iran is very close to the F35 range limit, if not beyond. It would have needed refuelling air-to-air or an intermediate base such as Azerbaijan. If it did happen, the Iraqis should have the chance of picking up a nuclear weapon from the downed plane.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 20 2024 14:57 utc | 12

"somewhat wild"??!!!
Come on, get real!

In a real world, no 3rd party shoot down a fighter jet carrying a nuclear bomb in a 4th party's airspace.
In a real world, no one send a single fighter jet to deliver a nuclear bomb. At least a squadron company the attacking fighter. Now use your sense and calculate if a dogfight between 12+ fighters could be kept secret from the public.
In a real world, a country having subs capable of nuclear missiles delivery wouldn't use F35 and it's limited range for nuke assault.
At the end, do you really think there will be a Tel Aviv on the map after Iran discover that a nuclear assault was on the way?


Posted by: Framarz | Apr 20 2024 15:46 utc | 34

If true, why would the Russians shout about it?

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 20 2024 15:40 utc | 32

Israel would have plausible deniability 1000% because everything coming from Russia is Russian disinformation. And nuclear escalation. Imagine they told "the world" about this? The recent discovery of a Russian world domination plan was also well-timed. The Pepe story does make sense.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 15:48 utc | 35

@Posted by: pxx | Apr 20 2024 15:25 utc | 25

Appreciate the solutions, thx

Guess the issue is that I don't have an account.

Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 15:50 utc | 36

It is unlikely that Israel would have chosen an F-35 as the delivery vehicle.

While stealthy, they are not invisible. Furthermore, their performance does not approach that of the F-14, which Iran still operates and Israel must assume is at their disposal should a fighter plane enter Iranian airspace. Lastly, the probability of such an aircraft delivering its payload and returning undetected is close to zero, both for Iranians (who actually have an Air Force) and the countries on the way back.

This is why Israel is trying so hard to get the US to bomb Iran for them. They have better options for delivery ( supersonic B1, real stealth B2, cruise and hypersonic missiles) that can be launched and landed from ships and airfields much closer to Iran and the US has greater probability of getting permission to use airspace (Arabian Peninsula and Central Asia).

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Apr 20 2024 15:53 utc | 37

Is there a bigger story since September 11th than Pepe's?

Or is Pepe's story BIGGER THAN September 11th?

Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 15:53 utc | 38

@Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 15:53 utc | 38

continued...

if the story is confirmed as factual

Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 15:54 utc | 39

RE: Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 15:48 utc | 35

You’re reflecting a purely Western prospective. Sure, poroganda anti Russia stuff may work in the Westetn 40-60 nations that suck it up, but there are still 130-140 that are frankly done with the West and are looking forward to the currency reset.

Russia would take thread to spool with “undeniable” proof b4 accusation at UNSC and their blustering denials, along with US won’t mean a thing, except to West.

In any case, if story true, we all can be reassured, the uranium cylinders in Iran are in overdrive making nuclear fuel.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 15:56 utc | 40

The problem with even this model (which even I believed in once as an intermediary step) is that the Western powers will never accept a two state solution without the Palestinian being completely neutered, defenceless and under total veto by the other "Jewish State" carved alongside it.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 15:37 utc | 30

You're obviously at heart a believer in US omnipotence, as is very common on MoA. Although they're opposed to US power, commenters nevertheless believe in their hearts that the US can do whatever it wants to damage the world. It is not the case. The limits to US power are fast being reached, though US politicians would never admit it. The world just has to take it slowly, and not provoke a big bust-up. The Iranians had it right.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 20 2024 15:57 utc | 41

we all can be reassured, the uranium cylinders in Iran are in overdrive making nuclear fuel.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 15:56 utc | 40

So this is how Iran got its nukes. Directly from Israel. As if the rest of the story were not wild enough. No matter what perspective I would not announce it.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 16:00 utc | 42

The horror-show in Gaza (and West Bank) continues relentlessly. The planned assault in Rafah - which has the full backing of U.S. other than some technical disagreements - is, as is becoming clearer, being designed to implement a harsher security architecture within Gaza itself, involving even more segmenting and separation of the people through military checkpoints, roads, and facilities.

As others have noted, a “two-state” recognition is at this point required, not as an ultimate final stage, but as a lever to assist the necessary work to compel Israel, and its supporters, to stop its apartheid concepts and gross violations of international humanitarian laws and standards.

Posted by: jayc | Apr 20 2024 16:01 utc | 43

“But the range is too great for an F-35!”

Not if it is carrying drop tanks.

“But if an F-35 is carrying drop tanks, it be loses its stealth!”

It doesn’t need stealth over Syria and Jordan and Iraq, does it? The Russians are weak and would never touch American (or Israeli, same thing) assets, right? Just have to drop the tanks and go stealth when entering Iranian airspace.

People need to think this through a little more.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 20 2024 16:02 utc | 44

Yesterday, Lavrov was interviewed by three major Russian radio stations the translated transcript at the link. Russia's position on Palestine was one of the topics to which I supplied commentary at the transcript's end. Russia continues to favor the formation of a Palestinian state as part of the solution; however, that's not going to happen without a lot of power backing the process, meaning the Zionists must be neutered first. And which nations have the power to perform that task? Only two--Russia and China, although the Outlaw US Empire could but won't. And it's likely the Empire would need to be fought too. And therein lies the huge problem--HOW to arrive at Justice for Palestinians without starting a World War. IMO, a complete and total as possible blockade must be employed, but how to do that without causing further harm to Gazans?

Almost every method that might be employed involves military action to neuter the Zionists as they will never agree to the elimination of their Genocidal Project--the populace is that rabidly psycho eschatologically. The Arc of Resistance's plan of slow attrition and economic disabling will only produce limited results--it won't change psycho Zionist minds. If Escobar's report is true, then there's one more very major reason why the Zionists must be removed from power and Occupied Palestine 100% demilitarized. IMO, the Zionists are the #1 Terrorist Threat to Humanity, more so than the Outlaw US Empire. There's no way the Empire will allow a UNSCR with Article Seven provisions to use force to deal with the Zionists, so some other way needs to be found--unless ending their reign of terror isn't desired by the Global Majority, which I don't see.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2024 16:05 utc | 45

RE: “If an F-35 had been downed over anywhere by the Russians the whole world would no of it by now.

The story is bullshit.”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 14:59 utc | 14

The story may be BS. However, I disagree with the concept that “the whole world would know of it”

There are innumerable examples of coverups, way too many for me to consider this as an impossibility.

Since no evidence, one way or the other, I weigh in on “not likely… “ but will not say “impossible”.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 16:08 utc | 46

RE: “The Russians are weak and would never touch American (or Israeli, same thing) assets, right? Just have to drop the tanks and go stealth when entering Iranian airspace.”

People need to think this through a little more.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 20 2024 16:02 utc | 44

Bullocks. Russia has been “touching” American & Israeli assets for over 2 years.
Syria was the start of such “touching”… and as of 2022, all gloves are off. Russia would have full consent in Syrian airspace to do what it wants.

It’s best to break the Western superiority mindset that “no one would dare” montage, as those days are done.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 16:14 utc | 47

William Gruff | Apr 20 2024 16:02 utc | 44--

I recall the plotline for Clancy's Sum of All Fears where a Zionist nuke is loosed and captured by Arabs. So, Iran recovers the nuke. Perhaps it puts it on display in a museum after deactivating its ability to detonate and allows the IAEA all the access it wants to show where it came from. How would that appear from a global PR perspective? What sort of spin could be spun to make that non-reality?

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2024 16:15 utc | 48

b most certainly must be busy trying to confirm Pepe's blockbuster.

Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 16:16 utc | 49

”Russia has been “touching” American & Israeli assets for over 2 years.”

Really? When did the Russians target an American or Israeli aircraft or drone or other such military hardware? I missed that.

Yes, the Russians have targeted US and Israeli backed terrorists, but that is a very different thing from an F-35.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 20 2024 16:20 utc | 50

What is we assume Pepe's story is just partially true? If an f-35 was sent to launch conventional missiles then the attack is a more long range version of what Israel has been visiting upon Syria regularly. The drones that actually made it into Iran could then have been to light up Iranian AD systems for a missile attack that was intended to follow, but never made it because of the shootdown. A more like-for-like response to Iran's attack.

That scenario seems more plausible to me.

Posted by: Citizen621 | Apr 20 2024 16:22 utc | 51

If the fissionable payload from Israel's nuke is recoverable
would the Russians allow the Iranians to take possession of it?

Wait!...

There is fictional story line here...

Israel allows Iran to capture fissionable material from one of Israel's nukes.
**Therefore**, the empire can correctly assert that Iran now has the makings of a nuke.

Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 16:22 utc | 52

Mr. Escobar has left the planet and is now operating from somewhere in outer space.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Apr 20 2024 13:38 utc | 4

I wish I could.

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 20 2024 16:34 utc | 53

Pepe Escobar is a drunken assclown.

Posted by: Rabbi Kincorth | Apr 20 2024 16:36 utc | 54

RE: Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2024 16:05 utc | 45

Do you remember back when ICJ hearings first began, somewhere at the end or near the beginning there was a Conference of “Uniting For Peace”?

Here’s the timeline (thread to spoil) POSSIBILITY (just conjecture on my part)
Timeline rough and missing/out of order events:
1) So Africa takes Israel to ICJ
2) Protests, UNSC ceasefire vetoes
3) UNRWA , UNHR, Arab initiative, UN Workd Food, Red Crescent ect…
4) Russia holds meetings PLO/Hamas
5) Palestinians apply UN Membership
6) Interim … many new nations “recognize” Palestine
7) Russia introduces UN Sanctions for Israel (will be vetoed, probably UK this time)

It’s my opinion the reason Palestine applied, and pushed, at this time for Statehood is because they have or are close, to the enactment of Uniting for Peace declaration:

“United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) resolution 377 A,[1] the "Uniting for Peace" resolution, states that in any cases where the Security Council, because of a lack of unanimity among its five permanent members (P5), fails to act as required to maintain international security and peace, the General Assembly shall consider the matter immediately and may issue appropriate recommendations to UN members for collective measures, including the use of armed force when necessary, in order to maintain or restore international security and peace”

They have almost reach the 2/3 threshold of those recognizing Palestinian Statehood. Once done, Assembly will be called to convene.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 16:37 utc | 55

Who knows...depending on exactly where the downing might have occurred...whether in Jordan, Syria, Iraq or even Saudi...there could be conflict on the ground...OR...all those interested parties remain mum while intense negations go on in various chancelleries and mil-intel headquarters.

Posted by: arisodemos | Apr 20 2024 15:30 utc | 27

Assuming there is something to the information...

by saying "when leaving jordanian airspace", and thinking that fuel is an issue, the F-35 might have been detected as it brushed (or entered) syrian airspace (side stealth is not a thing) and shot as it entered Iraq.

If there is something I'd look east of Ar-Rutba...

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 20 2024 16:39 utc | 56

Like David Icke, Escobar gets much on target only to be let down by his mind going poop-a-loop.

Posted by: Rabbi Kincorth | Apr 20 2024 16:40 utc | 57

You're obviously at heart a believer in US omnipotence, as is very common on MoA.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 20 2024 15:57 utc | 41

You're off the rails here.

I never mentioned the US.

I never mentioned omnipotence.

I specifically stated "Western powers".

Omnipotence is not needed to make life really difficult for the Palestinians. No state will stand up for them, not Russia, not China.

Therefore what is the need for "omnipotence"?

Especially when there is literally no Arab country with the balls and moral fibre to ensure the two state solution works.

Liechtenstein could come in to support the Jewish state and Egypt would merely cower in obeisance.

And that is why the two-state solution is DOA.

The one state solution is the correct intermediary solution to complete erasure of the settler colonial state.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 16:41 utc | 58

I think there are some problems with the EMP narrative, among them that military electronics are well hardened against such attacks, and an attack from a single weapon large enough to down the power grid over most of Iran would also take down much of the grid in the Gulf States. Since the military response would not be crippled in any of these countries, Israel would be destroyed by conventional weapons in a short time. It's a really bad strategy.

I think it's more plausible that Israel would mount a nuclear attack against military/research targets, but it would take a lot of nukes to get the job done, not just one.

I await more information, if any.

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 20 2024 16:48 utc | 59

unfortunately Israel in one form or another is here to stay, its to well backed by the West to remove it,

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 15:12 utc | 19

I don't agree with that. You exaggerate the power of the "west". The power of the Lobby is Jewish money intervening in American elections. The Gaza genocide is turning a lot of people against that, and elections are notoriously fickle. Netanyahu has put Israel on the road to decline.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 20 2024 15:18 utc | 22

Agree. Israel is weaker than it's ever been. Strong states don't act so recklessly and desperately.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 20 2024 16:50 utc | 60

If Pepe’s tale does have some substance behind it one obvious reason for keeping the story under wraps would be to avoid panicking the global oil markets.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 20 2024 16:54 utc | 61

Especially when there is literally no Arab country with the balls and moral fibre to ensure the two state solution works.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 16:41 utc | 58

That's where the failure in your understanding occurs. It's not the policies of Arab states that count. As Hamas has shown.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 20 2024 16:55 utc | 62

Israel is a Sabbatean-Frankist entity, an appendage of the hydra of European Aristocracy and Banking dynasties. They cogitate by the law of reversal. There lies madness. Try to fathom at your peril.

Posted by: Rabbi Kincorth | Apr 20 2024 16:58 utc | 63

So if this plane with a nuclear bomb was shot down, where is it now. How come it didn't explode the bomb. What a load of baloney.

Posted by: KingCobra | Apr 20 2024 17:01 utc | 64

The attack on Iran was a preemptive false flag. Israel had nothing to do with it and that is why they are saying nothing about it. The USA and Iran planned this minimalist and now the USA is pressuring Israel to own it and draw a line under the escalation cycle.

Posted by: Scott | Apr 20 2024 17:05 utc | 65

RE Pepe's article...

Maybe a Conscientious Israeli , knowing the plan to use nuke , made contact with Russia to prevent nuclear holocaust . They can’t all be batshit crazy.

Posted by: Bartholomew Cubbins | Apr 20 2024 17:05 utc | 66

@KingCobra | Apr 20 2024 17:01 utc | 64

So if this plane with a nuclear bomb was shot down, where is it now.
... As the Israeli F-35 was leaving Jordanian airspace it was shot down by the Russian Air Force...

If the story is true, that would imply western Iraq.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2024 17:06 utc | 67

RE: “So this is how Iran got its nukes. Directly from Israel. As if the rest of the story were not wild enough. No matter what perspective I would not announce it.”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 16:00 utc | 42

That’s just a sad attempt to insert your made up version of this conversation. There is not a poster here that suggested “that’s where Iran got its Nukes, directly from Israel”.
Quite the leap.

Iran, for years, does enrich “their own” uranium.
As for “announcing” it… again, it’s all Israel “announces” year in and year out…
Oh, yeah, Iran has its own nuclear power plants, enriches its own uranium and capable of producing nuclear fuel.
Shocker.

But hey… Israel “neither confirms nor denies” their nuclear arsenal… ssshhhhh…shush!

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 17:07 utc | 68

Norwegian | Apr 20 2024 17:06 utc | 67

So that would imply there's a crashed plane lying in pieces with an unexploded nuclear bomb somewhere in Iraq. Cause if it had exploded i think we'd know about by now.

Posted by: KingCobra | Apr 20 2024 17:19 utc | 69

@Bemildred | Apr 20 2024 14:52 utc | 10

> Iran's motives seem a bit more ambiguous.

Iran is simply telling the truth, the U.S. is engaged in a psyop, and the Israeli 'attack' was the complete failure it appears to have been.

@Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 16:00 utc | 42

> So this is how Iran got its nukes. Directly from Israel.

No, Iran's centrifuge technology was obtained in the 80s from A.Q. Khan, the 'father' of Pakistan's nuclear bomb. They've since developed it quite extensively and what they have today is their technology.

Posted by: Lyle A | Apr 20 2024 17:19 utc | 70

Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 16:37 utc | 55--

Thanks for your reply. I can see Lavrov pushing that scenario as IMO more is happening behind the scenes than is being mentioned. For me, the issue always comes down to forcing the Zionists to obey whatever's decided as they most certainly aren't going to willingly comply. The troll that just appeared shows that quite well. Even if the UNGAR happens, force will still need to be used to make compliance reality, but at least that force will be applied legally.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2024 17:20 utc | 71

As for Pepe's story, it is not that much weirder than the official story of something happening somewhere, which has some elements that would fit Pepe's story. Anyway, Russia had promised right off the bat it would defend Iran and they tend to keep their word. I just can't fathom how Russia would have known all this in advance.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 17:20 utc | 72

In the thread about the Israely action against Iran I asked some questions about the P. Escobar claims (confirmed and reconfirmed".

The claims are so outlandish that it is strange to see so many here willing to believe them outright.

I can believe something so incredible only if it credibly proved. I will wait for the proof, but do not expect it.

Based on the many questions that arise from this James Bond story, I would just say that -

if what is claimed is true there is no stronger reason and obligation to humanity than to expose the alleged action by the Zionists (and US), provide the proof to the world and with that definitely discredit the Zionists and their US masters as the biggest threat to humanity; request the dismantling of the Zionist project (state) and effective measures against both - legal and political.

If Russia was involved as alleged, it has that duty, as do all other entities that know that what is alleged actually happened.


Posted by: JB | Apr 20 2024 17:21 utc | 73

RE: Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 20 2024 16:20 utc | 50

Now you’re just hair splitting. You said “assets” and I responded, all that lame inept Patriots & JDAMs and drones and all kinds of “NATO” assets are wiped out daily. Responding to your “wouldn’t dare touch” mantra.

Now you want a precision account of an F35… I’ve no idea.
But it hardly means it wouldn’t “ever” happen.
I do believe that Russia would absolutely shoot down any plane carrying out an EMP mission anywhere in the world if they could, and if intel were reliable.

I’m not saying this tale is true or accurate, I’ve no idea, and there is zero evidence so far, but from Russia’s or any normal nation’s perspective… once EMP starts becoming a “warfare” accepted practice, where would it end?
So yeah, even in fairytale, they would shoot it down, because the consequences for not responding, would be worse.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 17:26 utc | 74

@ Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 15:37 utc | 30

Eloquently and exhaustively put.

@Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 16:41 utc | 58

. . . which hardly needs to have been said, but I appreciate your having done so.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 20 2024 17:28 utc | 75

"I don't agree with that. You exaggerate the power of the "west". The power of the Lobby is Jewish money intervening in American elections."

Ahenobarbus (60).

Do you actually believe that its just American elections?

For the UK parliament is also compromised as is Brussels, and many European nations parliaments as well. Others are compromised by not just the Zionist lobbies but Atlanticism as well.

As for (US) elections do you actually believe that there's ANY difference in policies between the Republican party and the Democrats when it comes to protecting Israel?

Israel is widely supported by the West, and as long as that continues I for one believe that a two-state solution is the best that the oppressed Palestinian people can hope for.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 17:29 utc | 76

laguerre (22).

Refer to my (76) comment. Thank You.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 17:38 utc | 77

I like Pepe's F-35 story. But until someone publicly utters the words Broken Arrow, it's just a story.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 20 2024 17:40 utc | 78

RT Reports: "Iran targeted with ‘children’s toys’ – FM: Tehran’s top diplomat has refused to blame Israel for Friday’s attack on the country:"

Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian has downplayed the significance of Friday’s drone attack on the country, saying that it was minor in scale and involved primitive hardware.

The claims by some media outlets that explosions in the skies above the Iranian city of Isfahan, which hosts a major airbase, were a retaliatory strike by Israel are “not accurate,” Amirabdollahian said in an interview with NBC News on Saturday.

“What happened last night was not a strike,” he insisted, adding that the attack involved just two or three small UAVs, which “were more like toys that our children play with, not drones.”

The UAVs “took off from inside Iran, flew for a hundred meters and then they were struck by our air defense,” the minister added.

Israel, which typically neither confirms nor denies operations on foreign soil, declined to comment on whether it was involved in the Isfahan attack.

According to the Iranian foreign minister, Tehran is not planning any further actions against Israel.

It appears the matter is now officially closed--it was a nothingburger.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2024 17:40 utc | 79

Speaking of Russia touching especially American hardware, I'm pretty sure that Russian forces have not only been touching (US) military hardware in Ukraine but actively destroying it. Maybe not fighter jets, but definitely other weapons, and I do believe (US) military personnel fighting in Ukraine posing as mercenaries or aid/relief workers.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 17:42 utc | 80

karlof1 | Apr 20 2024 15:35 utc | 29

Here's what Pepe posted at his Telegram:

...
Israel initially chose to respond with extreme force.

An F-35 loaded with a nuclear bomb was sent east over Jordan.

The mission: cause a high-altitude detonation over Iran that would provoke a surge in the high-capacity power lines, crippling Iran's electric grid, as well as disabling all electronic devices.

An EMP attack.

However...

... As the Israeli F-35 was leaving Jordanian airspace it was shot down by the Russian Air Force.

Hence the publicised version of the Israeli counter response was such a travesty.

In the end all sides decided not to publicise the real news - to de-escalate what could well turn into WWIII.

Pepe's reporting what his source told him, and the possibility of that scenario is very credible, IMO, given the Zionist's level of craziness.

. . . "possibility of that scenario is very credible, IMO, given the Zionist's level of craziness."

I am very wary of this scenario. For, at least, two reasons :

Uno Why would you expose a 'major' asset to enemy analysis ?

Dos A single, single lonely gull, covered by toys ?

No, I just can't see it.

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 20 2024 17:45 utc | 81

Especially when there is literally no Arab country with the balls and moral fibre to ensure the two state solution works.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 16:41 utc | 58

One thing has been very clear since Oct. 7

Why should we assume that the Arab Elites should be any different than the Western elites? They know their good life's depend on being friend with the Zionist's. Saddam and Gadaffi was not friendly enough.

And the Arab elites think exactly about their subjects the same ways as Macron, Sholtz, Stoltenberg, Van Leyden, Sunak think about their subjects.

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Apr 20 2024 17:45 utc | 82

Is Serbs can shoot down a US stealth Nighthawk plane in 1999 why are we even discussing if Russia can do it something similar in 2024?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 17:52 utc | 83

RE: “Even if the UNGAR happens, force will still need to be used to make compliance reality, but at least that force will be applied legally.”

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2024 17:20 utc | 71

Completely agree. Even though the ME nations have issues, and some don’t care if Palestinians live or die, I believe they are all in the same page for reigning in Israel, and ejecting US military bases. None want another war brought to their nation.
Even the more subservient Arab nation is no doubt considering the brutality & genocide, particularly Jordan, and understands, this will soon be us. We’re on the “chosen’s” promised land, they’ll claim this next.… and want to be freed.

I’m probably grasping at straws and wishing stars at this point, hoping for the GA resolution and mandated force,
But it’s all I got left.
In the meantime, Hamas will pluck along, doing its best to hold the water back.
Secretly, I think Abbas & Mansour have already made the deal. No reason not to, since US and Israel so blatantly boasted of getting rid of the PLO, and West Bank everyday is more and more occupied.
Another reason for the push, PLO has clear understanding.
No more bribes and carrots. They’ll stay silent, waiting for UNGAR assembly. But Russia was clear about the need for an intact governance, ready to handle administrative duties, and take on their own financial responsibilities.
As I said b4, the rush to turn the hour glass over, is Israels biggest issue.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 18:02 utc | 84

A talk the Israeli born Udi Raz gave in May 2023 about peace and reconciliation; apparently there is a group of Jewish Germans who are activists in the peace and reconciliation campaigns - as mentioned above Udi Raz was arrested in Berlin for anti-semitism - (in German use machine translation)

http://palaestina-solidaritaet.de/kundgebung-fuer-das-recht-auf-gedenken/

Article in English about getting fired from Jewish Museum in Berlin
https://www.theleftberlin.com/firing-somebody-for-using-the-term-apartheid-is-really-gaslighting/

Posted by: Exile | Apr 20 2024 18:09 utc | 85

Re: F117 Stealth Fighter-Bomber

Of the 24 F117s used to attack tiny Serbia in 1999, 1 was famously shot down and crashed inside Serbia. What is less know is around 6 were hit and crash landed outside Serbia and around another 8 were hit and had to be remanufactured. - so around 15 of 24 were knocked out of action.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 20 2024 18:13 utc | 86

Why use a nuke just to knock out power?

Insanely high risk to reward ratio.

No way.

Posted by: bill wolfe | Apr 20 2024 18:14 utc | 87

karlof1 | Apr 20 2024 16:15 utc | 48

I recall the plotline for Clancy's Sum of All Fears where a Zionist nuke is loosed and captured by Arabs. So, Iran recovers the nuke. Perhaps it puts it on display in a museum after deactivating its ability to detonate and allows the IAEA all the access it wants to show where it came from. How would that appear from a global PR perspective? What sort of spin could be spun to make that non-reality?

Whoa thar, y'all need to put the book down and back away, yessun, back away, back away !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 20 2024 18:23 utc | 88

Pepe’s story is fictional and satirical, but it seems that some people don’t get it

Posted by: Loyal | Apr 20 2024 18:24 utc | 89

Pepe spins an interesting story. Plausible and implausible. One jet , why not give it a try, if it worked there's a huge hole in all electronic defences not easily patched. Retaliation , jump the shark that Russia nukes Israel as per putins speech in 2018 regarding allies and nuclear umbrella of which Iran is. Stated in 2019 bilateral meeting with Israel. Plausible as the israelis are nuts and need escalation. They appear to be about to lose. Certainly economically they are on the ropes, military doesn't seem to be going so well , can't even round up tiny Gaza. If they win they get the big prize , river to the sea and eat the neighbours who just happen to have their desired land.

Posted by: Hankster | Apr 20 2024 18:26 utc | 90

I am intrigued by the Pepe Escobar story but need more time for proof to come out.

If it is true then we are seeing escalation and activity behind the scenes and we will be toast or the war over before we ever know about it.

The shit show continues until it doesn't.


Thanks for all the reporting fellow barflies!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 20 2024 18:27 utc | 91

Rabbi Kincorth | Apr 20 2024 16:36 utc | 54

Pepe Escobar is a drunken assclown.

Oh poo ! I thought I was The One !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 20 2024 18:33 utc | 92

Pepe Escobar is a drunken assclown.

RT Reports: "Iran targeted with ‘children’s toys’ – FM: Tehran’s top diplomat has refused to blame Israel for Friday’s attack on the country:"
Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian has downplayed the significance of Friday’s drone attack on the country, saying that it was minor in scale and involved primitive hardware.

The claims by some media outlets that explosions in the skies above the Iranian city of Isfahan, which hosts a major airbase, were a retaliatory strike by Israel are “not accurate,” Amirabdollahian said in an interview with NBC News on Saturday.

“What happened last night was not a strike,” he insisted, adding that the attack involved just two or three small UAVs, which “were more like toys that our children play with, not drones.”

The UAVs “took off from inside Iran, flew for a hundred meters and then they were struck by our air defense,” the minister added.

Israel, which typically neither confirms nor denies operations on foreign soil, declined to comment on whether it was involved in the Isfahan attack.

According to the Iranian foreign minister, Tehran is not planning any further actions against Israel.

It appears the matter is now officially closed--it was a nothingburger.

Duh !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 20 2024 18:44 utc | 93

Exile | Apr 20 2024 18:13 utc | 86

Of the 24 F117s used to attack tiny Serbia in 1999, 1 was famously shot down and crashed inside Serbia. What is less know is around 6 were hit and crash landed outside Serbia and around another 8 were hit and had to be remanufactured. - so around 15 of 24 were knocked out of action.

Did not know that ! It is the wombats' todger !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 20 2024 18:47 utc | 94


Laguerre 41 and arch Bungle

"The US insisted that elevation of Palestine’s diplomatic status can only be obtained after negotiations between the Palestinian Authority and Israel. "--Philip Giraldi

This is not a sovereign nation, if "the West" and/or Israel get to set the paraameters of what the putatively sovereign nation can do or be or say.

If I were a nonwestern sovereign nation I would vote to recognize the Pal state just to remind the USA that they are not kowtowing to what some other state "allows." Especially not a shitty little self-declared "state" such as Israel, which does not meet a number of the Westphalian benchmarks for statehood. Quite apart from being a racist, genocidal entity.

Posted by: Jane | Apr 20 2024 18:52 utc | 95

That should be ". . .to remind . . . that I am not . . ."

Posted by: Jane | Apr 20 2024 18:55 utc | 96

Jane,

More than 130 countries already recognize the State of Palestine, so Washington is decidedly isolated in its position.

One might also describe Washington’s curious position as self-contradictory - since the same UN resolution which established the Jewish State, namely UNR 181, also established the Arab state

Posted by: Exile | Apr 20 2024 19:03 utc | 97

I'm under the impression that the Palestinian Authority is deeply compromised (as is Mahmoud Abbas) by not just the Americans but the Zionists. So is the below more like pretence than actual anger from Abbas.

"President Mahmoud Abbas says the Palestinian Authority will reconsider ties with the United States after it vetoed a Palestinian request for full United Nations membership “in violation of all international laws.”

Washington on Thursday blocked a draft resolution that recommended to the 193-member UN General Assembly that "the State of Palestine be admitted to membership" of the UN.

The Palestinian president condemned the veto as "unfair, unethical, and unjustified."

He said in an interview with Palestinian news agency Wafa that the move "constitutes a blatant aggression against the rights, history, land, and sanctities of the Palestinian people.”

"While the world agrees on the application of international law and stands by the Palestinian right, America continues to support the occupation, refusing to compel Israel to stop its genocidal war.”

The Palestinian leader also accused Washington of having “reneged on its promises and commitments… by remaining silent on [Israel’s] theft of Palestinian funds.”"

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 19:20 utc | 98

... and the show goes on ... weekend of fairy tales!

EXCLUSIVE US Air Force secretly develops missiles that could obliterate Iran's nuclear facilities by zapping their electronics - without harming civilians

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13325343/US-Air-Force-develops-missiles-obliterate-Iran-nuclear-facilities.html

Posted by: Framarz | Apr 20 2024 19:21 utc | 99

R3 Trubind1@55; karlof@71

These opinions are well crafted. If the UNGA can move forward with 2/3 votes for Palestinian statehood, this effectively neuters the USUKISEU stranglehold on the UNSC. As a recognized nation state with full admission to the UN, ISUSUK actions against Gaza move to an entirely new level of violation of international law. The changes from prior potential votes could only occur in a situation wherein the aforementioned have been shown to be less than all powerful and solid geopolitical reorganization of the world is in place. Enter the Iranian precision strikes on Israel with no one killed, but damaged two major airbases as well as strategic coms station. In the context of BRICS+,ASEAN, GCC all aligned. Also, political reorgs in the Sahel exiting the US/France. Every country with high resolutions satellite information knows exactly what has been going on. Not surprising considerable distortion, misinformation on all media channels as players at high levels are scrambling to manage the situation(s) as well as the narrative.

More probably than not in the next few days more information regarding such an incident, its connection to the explosions in Iraq and further events will emerge. Irrespective of the accuracy of Escobar's comments, that the use of any weapon to burn the Iranian power grid is even partially plausible is severely problematic. Iran is not at war with Israel; their response was within acceptable boundaries, particularly considering the loss of Iranian lives in Netanyahu's attack on their consulate. That Israel/US or more specifically - Netanyahu and his war cabinet and Blinken, Sullivan, Biden (and Cameron?) could be plausibly believed to sanction such an action says volumes about the free fall of these countries from any scintilla of international respect.

Posted by: abierno | Apr 20 2024 19:32 utc | 100

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