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April 20, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-115
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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I know it’s a lot to manage this blog everyday B thanks for keeping it going, even if it’s just opening the comments app for people to talk about things. Posted by: Genji | Apr 20 2024 13:26 utc | 1 The Truth about Israel’s attempted attack on Iran according to Pepe Escobar.
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Apr 20 2024 13:28 utc | 2 Interesting turn of events if as Pepe claims Russia downed a stealthy F35 loaded with love heading for Iran. Of course the issue, if true, it is being swept under the Persian rug. Like totally fucked up. It should be being screamed from the Prayer Towers. Like icing on a Genocide Cake baked with bits of Palestinians. No no no, let’s hide it. As if it never happened, maybe, hmm ……it didn’t. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 20 2024 13:34 utc | 3 Posted by: Laura Roslin | Apr 20 2024 13:28 utc | 2 Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Apr 20 2024 13:38 utc | 4 The Zionist supporting NYT newsrags brings in new guidelines. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 14:00 utc | 5 The relentless genocide and occupation in historic Palestine and Gaza remains unabated. Tragic that the international community is not working harder to bring an end to this latest holocaust in modern history. Posted by: AI | Apr 20 2024 14:11 utc | 6 A very logical telling sentence that other nations must adopt if they too seek a two-state solution. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 14:12 utc | 7 Germany is fast becoming a pariah state with regards to its undying loyalty to the Zionists, this courageous young man takes a stand. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 14:21 utc | 8 RE: Posted by: Laura Roslin | Apr 20 2024 13:28 utc | 2 Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 14:41 utc | 9 So what we have now is Iran downplaying the gravity of the Israeli “strike” and the West trying to hype it. Interesting. I suppose from the western side, they don’t want the Izzies to be seen as impotent. Iran’s motives seem a bit more ambiguous. The western attack, I think western is the word there, not Israeli, does seem to have had a lot of moving parts, like maybe they attempted to hit as many parts of the “resistance” as they could. Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 20 2024 14:52 utc | 10 Which makes me think of the Beirut blast which was caused by some working guy. And the Ukie passenger plane shot down in Tehran. Things like that. Not to mention the Gaza “situation”. Btw pepe had a theory about ukie passenger plane too but b shot that theory down. Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 14:53 utc | 11 The Escobar theory is somewhat wild – going to Iran is very close to the F35 range limit, if not beyond. It would have needed refuelling air-to-air or an intermediate base such as Azerbaijan. If it did happen, the Iraqis should have the chance of picking up a nuclear weapon from the downed plane. Posted by: laguerre | Apr 20 2024 14:57 utc | 12 The foreign ministry said in a statement that the step reflects Barbados’ eagerness to support the Palestinian people and their inalienable and legitimate rights in their land.” Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 14:58 utc | 13 RE: Posted by: Laura Roslin | Apr 20 2024 13:28 utc | 2 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 14:59 utc | 14 All those unlucky accidents I mentioned took place while netanyahu was in office. Just sayin’ Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 15:03 utc | 15 @Posted by: Laura Roslin | Apr 20 2024 13:28 utc | 2 Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 15:05 utc | 16 The saddest thing about the “two state solution” dupes is that in the end they would still be supporting theft of 50% of Palestine and settler colonialism of half the territory instead of all of it. Posted by: laguerre | Apr 20 2024 15:09 utc | 17 @librul | Apr 20 2024 15:05 utc | 16 Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2024 15:11 utc | 18 Arch Bungle (13). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 15:12 utc | 19 @librul | Apr 20 2024 15:05 utc | 16 Posted by: erichwwk | Apr 20 2024 15:15 utc | 20 unfortunately Israel in one form or another is here to stay, its to well backed by the West to remove it, Posted by: laguerre | Apr 20 2024 15:18 utc | 22 @Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2024 15:11 utc | 18 Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 15:22 utc | 23 Larry Johnson discusses Nima Alkhorshid the issue of Israel possibliy using nukes (12 minutes in) Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2024 15:23 utc | 24 @23 – it’s indeed the top post in his twitter account, if you log in or use an anonymous twitter reader for example. Posted by: pxx | Apr 20 2024 15:25 utc | 25 I would agree with above observation about Sy Hersh. He’s been doing ass covering work of late for his one-time enemies. Posted by: pxx | Apr 20 2024 15:26 utc | 26 IF Escobar’s account is actually factual…it can be assumed that there will be a mad scramble by several “interested parties” to scoop up the crash-site with a fine-toothed comb. Posted by: arisodemos | Apr 20 2024 15:30 utc | 27 @27 – it’s a nonsense story on its face. Both Israel going nuclear at this stage makes no sense from Netanyahu’s MO, and “EMP to knock out electronics over a large area” is exaggerated Tom Clancy stuff. If Israel wanted to escalate, the MO is to knock out a power plant or a mosque with a conventional missile strike. Pepe’s sources are jerking him around, most likely Posted by: pxx | Apr 20 2024 15:35 utc | 28 Here’s what Pepe posted at his Telegram:
Pepe’s reporting what his source told him, and the possibility of that scenario is very credible, IMO, given the Zionist’s level of craziness. The “two state solution” would be an intermediate phase in the slow disappearance of Israel, and in my view should be accepted as a step on the road. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 15:37 utc | 30 Posted by: arisodemos | Apr 20 2024 15:30 utc | 27 Posted by: Mexicana | Apr 20 2024 15:39 utc | 31 re: Russians shooting down an F-35 Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 20 2024 15:40 utc | 32 laguerre | Apr 20 2024 15:18 utc | 22–
“somewhat wild”??!!! Posted by: Framarz | Apr 20 2024 15:46 utc | 34 If true, why would the Russians shout about it? Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 15:48 utc | 35 @Posted by: pxx | Apr 20 2024 15:25 utc | 25 Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 15:50 utc | 36 It is unlikely that Israel would have chosen an F-35 as the delivery vehicle. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Apr 20 2024 15:53 utc | 37 Is there a bigger story since September 11th than Pepe’s? Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 15:53 utc | 38 @Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 15:53 utc | 38 Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 15:54 utc | 39 RE: Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 15:48 utc | 35 Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 15:56 utc | 40 The problem with even this model (which even I believed in once as an intermediary step) is that the Western powers will never accept a two state solution without the Palestinian being completely neutered, defenceless and under total veto by the other “Jewish State” carved alongside it. Posted by: laguerre | Apr 20 2024 15:57 utc | 41 we all can be reassured, the uranium cylinders in Iran are in overdrive making nuclear fuel. Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 16:00 utc | 42 The horror-show in Gaza (and West Bank) continues relentlessly. The planned assault in Rafah – which has the full backing of U.S. other than some technical disagreements – is, as is becoming clearer, being designed to implement a harsher security architecture within Gaza itself, involving even more segmenting and separation of the people through military checkpoints, roads, and facilities. Posted by: jayc | Apr 20 2024 16:01 utc | 43 “But the range is too great for an F-35!” Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 20 2024 16:02 utc | 44 Yesterday, Lavrov was interviewed by three major Russian radio stations the translated transcript at the link. Russia’s position on Palestine was one of the topics to which I supplied commentary at the transcript’s end. Russia continues to favor the formation of a Palestinian state as part of the solution; however, that’s not going to happen without a lot of power backing the process, meaning the Zionists must be neutered first. And which nations have the power to perform that task? Only two–Russia and China, although the Outlaw US Empire could but won’t. And it’s likely the Empire would need to be fought too. And therein lies the huge problem–HOW to arrive at Justice for Palestinians without starting a World War. IMO, a complete and total as possible blockade must be employed, but how to do that without causing further harm to Gazans? RE: “If an F-35 had been downed over anywhere by the Russians the whole world would no of it by now. Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 16:08 utc | 46 RE: “The Russians are weak and would never touch American (or Israeli, same thing) assets, right? Just have to drop the tanks and go stealth when entering Iranian airspace.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 16:14 utc | 47 William Gruff | Apr 20 2024 16:02 utc | 44– b most certainly must be busy trying to confirm Pepe’s blockbuster. Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 16:16 utc | 49 ”Russia has been “touching” American & Israeli assets for over 2 years.” Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 20 2024 16:20 utc | 50 What is we assume Pepe’s story is just partially true? If an f-35 was sent to launch conventional missiles then the attack is a more long range version of what Israel has been visiting upon Syria regularly. The drones that actually made it into Iran could then have been to light up Iranian AD systems for a missile attack that was intended to follow, but never made it because of the shootdown. A more like-for-like response to Iran’s attack. Posted by: Citizen621 | Apr 20 2024 16:22 utc | 51 If the fissionable payload from Israel’s nuke is recoverable Posted by: librul | Apr 20 2024 16:22 utc | 52 Mr. Escobar has left the planet and is now operating from somewhere in outer space. Posted by: Honzo | Apr 20 2024 16:34 utc | 53 RE: Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2024 16:05 utc | 45 Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 16:37 utc | 55 Who knows…depending on exactly where the downing might have occurred…whether in Jordan, Syria, Iraq or even Saudi…there could be conflict on the ground…OR…all those interested parties remain mum while intense negations go on in various chancelleries and mil-intel headquarters. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 20 2024 16:39 utc | 56 Like David Icke, Escobar gets much on target only to be let down by his mind going poop-a-loop. Posted by: Rabbi Kincorth | Apr 20 2024 16:40 utc | 57 You’re obviously at heart a believer in US omnipotence, as is very common on MoA. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 16:41 utc | 58 I think there are some problems with the EMP narrative, among them that military electronics are well hardened against such attacks, and an attack from a single weapon large enough to down the power grid over most of Iran would also take down much of the grid in the Gulf States. Since the military response would not be crippled in any of these countries, Israel would be destroyed by conventional weapons in a short time. It’s a really bad strategy. Posted by: Honzo | Apr 20 2024 16:48 utc | 59 unfortunately Israel in one form or another is here to stay, its to well backed by the West to remove it, Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 20 2024 16:50 utc | 60 If Pepe’s tale does have some substance behind it one obvious reason for keeping the story under wraps would be to avoid panicking the global oil markets. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 20 2024 16:54 utc | 61 Especially when there is literally no Arab country with the balls and moral fibre to ensure the two state solution works. Posted by: laguerre | Apr 20 2024 16:55 utc | 62 Israel is a Sabbatean-Frankist entity, an appendage of the hydra of European Aristocracy and Banking dynasties. They cogitate by the law of reversal. There lies madness. Try to fathom at your peril. Posted by: Rabbi Kincorth | Apr 20 2024 16:58 utc | 63 So if this plane with a nuclear bomb was shot down, where is it now. How come it didn’t explode the bomb. What a load of baloney. Posted by: KingCobra | Apr 20 2024 17:01 utc | 64 The attack on Iran was a preemptive false flag. Israel had nothing to do with it and that is why they are saying nothing about it. The USA and Iran planned this minimalist and now the USA is pressuring Israel to own it and draw a line under the escalation cycle. Posted by: Scott | Apr 20 2024 17:05 utc | 65 RE Pepe’s article… Posted by: Bartholomew Cubbins | Apr 20 2024 17:05 utc | 66 @KingCobra | Apr 20 2024 17:01 utc | 64
… As the Israeli F-35 was leaving Jordanian airspace it was shot down by the Russian Air Force… Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2024 17:06 utc | 67 RE: “So this is how Iran got its nukes. Directly from Israel. As if the rest of the story were not wild enough. No matter what perspective I would not announce it.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 17:07 utc | 68 Norwegian | Apr 20 2024 17:06 utc | 67 Posted by: KingCobra | Apr 20 2024 17:19 utc | 69 @Bemildred | Apr 20 2024 14:52 utc | 10 Posted by: Lyle A | Apr 20 2024 17:19 utc | 70 Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 16:37 utc | 55– As for Pepe’s story, it is not that much weirder than the official story of something happening somewhere, which has some elements that would fit Pepe’s story. Anyway, Russia had promised right off the bat it would defend Iran and they tend to keep their word. I just can’t fathom how Russia would have known all this in advance. Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 17:20 utc | 72 In the thread about the Israely action against Iran I asked some questions about the P. Escobar claims (confirmed and reconfirmed”. Posted by: JB | Apr 20 2024 17:21 utc | 73 RE: Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 20 2024 16:20 utc | 50 Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 17:26 utc | 74 @ Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2024 15:37 utc | 30 Posted by: malenkov | Apr 20 2024 17:28 utc | 75 “I don’t agree with that. You exaggerate the power of the “west”. The power of the Lobby is Jewish money intervening in American elections.” Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 17:29 utc | 76 laguerre (22). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 17:38 utc | 77 I like Pepe’s F-35 story. But until someone publicly utters the words Broken Arrow, it’s just a story. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 20 2024 17:40 utc | 78 RT Reports: “Iran targeted with ‘children’s toys’ – FM: Tehran’s top diplomat has refused to blame Israel for Friday’s attack on the country:”
It appears the matter is now officially closed–it was a nothingburger. Speaking of Russia touching especially American hardware, I’m pretty sure that Russian forces have not only been touching (US) military hardware in Ukraine but actively destroying it. Maybe not fighter jets, but definitely other weapons, and I do believe (US) military personnel fighting in Ukraine posing as mercenaries or aid/relief workers. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 17:42 utc | 80 karlof1 | Apr 20 2024 15:35 utc | 29
I am very wary of this scenario. For, at least, two reasons : Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 20 2024 17:45 utc | 81 Especially when there is literally no Arab country with the balls and moral fibre to ensure the two state solution works. Posted by: Paul from Norway | Apr 20 2024 17:45 utc | 82 Is Serbs can shoot down a US stealth Nighthawk plane in 1999 why are we even discussing if Russia can do it something similar in 2024? Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 20 2024 17:52 utc | 83 RE: “Even if the UNGAR happens, force will still need to be used to make compliance reality, but at least that force will be applied legally.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 20 2024 18:02 utc | 84 A talk the Israeli born Udi Raz gave in May 2023 about peace and reconciliation; apparently there is a group of Jewish Germans who are activists in the peace and reconciliation campaigns – as mentioned above Udi Raz was arrested in Berlin for anti-semitism – (in German use machine translation) Posted by: Exile | Apr 20 2024 18:09 utc | 85 Re: F117 Stealth Fighter-Bomber Posted by: Exile | Apr 20 2024 18:13 utc | 86 Why use a nuke just to knock out power? Posted by: bill wolfe | Apr 20 2024 18:14 utc | 87 karlof1 | Apr 20 2024 16:15 utc | 48
Whoa thar, y’all need to put the book down and back away, yessun, back away, back away ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 20 2024 18:23 utc | 88 Pepe’s story is fictional and satirical, but it seems that some people don’t get it Posted by: Loyal | Apr 20 2024 18:24 utc | 89 Pepe spins an interesting story. Plausible and implausible. One jet , why not give it a try, if it worked there’s a huge hole in all electronic defences not easily patched. Retaliation , jump the shark that Russia nukes Israel as per putins speech in 2018 regarding allies and nuclear umbrella of which Iran is. Stated in 2019 bilateral meeting with Israel. Plausible as the israelis are nuts and need escalation. They appear to be about to lose. Certainly economically they are on the ropes, military doesn’t seem to be going so well , can’t even round up tiny Gaza. If they win they get the big prize , river to the sea and eat the neighbours who just happen to have their desired land. Posted by: Hankster | Apr 20 2024 18:26 utc | 90 I am intrigued by the Pepe Escobar story but need more time for proof to come out. Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 20 2024 18:27 utc | 91 Rabbi Kincorth | Apr 20 2024 16:36 utc | 54
Oh poo ! I thought I was The One ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 20 2024 18:33 utc | 92 Pepe Escobar is a drunken assclown.
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 20 2024 18:44 utc | 93 Exile | Apr 20 2024 18:13 utc | 86
Did not know that ! It is the wombats’ todger ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 20 2024 18:47 utc | 94 Laguerre 41 and arch Bungle Posted by: Jane | Apr 20 2024 18:52 utc | 95 That should be “. . .to remind . . . that I am not . . .” Posted by: Jane | Apr 20 2024 18:55 utc | 96 Jane, Posted by: Exile | Apr 20 2024 19:03 utc | 97 I’m under the impression that the Palestinian Authority is deeply compromised (as is Mahmoud Abbas) by not just the Americans but the Zionists. So is the below more like pretence than actual anger from Abbas. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 20 2024 19:20 utc | 98 … and the show goes on … weekend of fairy tales! Posted by: Framarz | Apr 20 2024 19:21 utc | 99 R3 Trubind1@55; karlof@71 Posted by: abierno | Apr 20 2024 19:32 utc | 100 |
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