I thought Iran showed great restraint not to attack the Zionist capital of Tel Aviv, but instead it attacked secret military bases in the Negev, remember the Zionist attacked the capital city (Damascus) of Syria.
Its now patently clear that Israel could not survive without the military aid of the (US) and the (UK) as both sent fighter jests to shootdown the drones and missiles, the (US) and the (UK) both aiding and abetting a Zionist occupying military regime that’s committing genocide in Gaza, who’d have thought it eh? answer plenty of folk.
In my opinion the ball is now firmly in the court of Sunak Netanyahu and Biden as to what happens next, part of me thinks a full scale attack on Iran and Yemen is in the making, and another part of me thinks that it will not happen, however the wild card in all of this is that in the (US) its an election year, so will Biden go to war to turn heads, afterall he’s already behind in the polls to Trump, who knows? we’ll just have to wait and see.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2024 13:38 utc | 3

Sorry, they spent 1 billion dollars last night alone.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Apr 14 2024 13:49 utc | 5

US: “We don’t want to join Israel’s attack upon Iran.”
The quiet part: “Until there is a false-flag against us.”

Posted by: librul | Apr 14 2024 14:03 utc | 7

In January, one independent analyst ( sorry I forgot who ) – calculated that given the rate of expenditure in both the Ukrainian Civil War and in the Levantine wars…..the U.S. and Israel would run out of critical weapons by April.
Any Barfly have any insight if this is true ?

Posted by: Exile | Apr 14 2024 14:12 utc | 9

(Updated)
Re-application for admittance to the World Community
Why I, The State of Israel, believe I am a good candidate.
1) I torture UN workers
2) I bomb embassies
3) I refuse to declare my official borders as I want more and more of other countries’ (plural) land
4) I openly interfere in the affairs of other countries.
5) All criticism by any member of the World Community just reinforces my sense of priviledged Victimhood
6) I never tell a lie as I have no concept. I only know what serves me.
7) I invented the Samson Option and will take the rest of you with me.
8) I commit collective punishment
9) I kidnap thousands, including children, with no judicial oversight
10) I will commit torture if I see fit and even if I don’t
11) I oppress occupied inhabitants and enjoy doing so
12) I commit rape with impunity against mine enemies
13) I steal land with impunity
14) I murder with impunity
15) I commit Genocide
16) I look forward to war and prod my neighbors for more
17) I need money, send a check
18) I commit false flags and if friends or even my own people are sacrificed so be it.
19) I implement the Hannibal Doctrine
20) Treachery and betrayal of my own people are a means to an end
21) I support and conduct terrorism.
22) I openly interfere in the affairs of other countries, seeking support for all of the above
23) I know that I can count on other amoral nations to support my wars, oppresion and theft.
24) I know that the World Community will not stop me as I commit future Genocides

Posted by: librul | Apr 14 2024 14:27 utc | 11

sean the leprechaun (6).
I agree Trump will just be as bad as Biden, it was Trump that urged other nations to set up their embassies in Jerusalem. President Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
President Trump sent the first official American visit to the Western Wall with an Israeli Prime Minister
Here’s another 100 times Trump helped Israel.
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/100-times-president-trump-supported-israel/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2024 14:38 utc | 13

If the United States was able to provide an air defense to Israel against Iranian ordnance, it could have provided an air defense to Gaza against Israeli genocide. …And still can.

Posted by: Retired Morlock | Apr 14 2024 15:12 utc | 15

Last night was the first since early October with no Israeli Air Force activity over Gaza.

Posted by: jayc | Apr 14 2024 15:22 utc | 17

Something remarkable happened yesterday. A sovereign state openly attacked Israel, destroyed some military assets with missile strikes, terrorized the Israeli citizens with drones and missiles, and suffered only from gnashing of teeth. Yes, the fat lady hasn’t sung yet, but still… what other nation has dared to do same? Iraq supported the Palestinians and was attacked twice and its leader hung in a public square. Libya supported the Palestinians and it was attacked and its leader was sodomized and brutally murdered. Syria supported the Palestinians and it was attacked and nearly destroyed, saved only by Russian and Iranian intervention. Egypt attacked Israel and was defeated, its leader assassinated, and neutered by bribery. Lebanon supported the Palestinians, suffered a devastating civil war, and has since been subject to crippling political interference. Hezbollah survives but cannot control the state.
The Israelis have tried for decades to get the US to attack Iran, and even after this direct attack the US has refused to do so. Who do the Israelis fear? Iran. They will not attack without a guarantee of US military support. Iran has struck a US military base with missiles and captured and destroyed US military drones, and when asked if they would allow a token, face saving reprisal strike they refused.
I would guess that the strike on the Damascus consulate was not approved by the Americans and was an Israeli attempt to force the issue and gain US acquiescence for a military adventure. So far no dice.
Now it will be more difficult for Ukraine to receive funding and military equipment, especially critical AD supplies.
Israel has been shown to be vulnerable and incapable of retaliation without allied support. It can’t even defeat Hamas without committing open genocide.
And the Yemenis remain unbowed as well.
Quite a day.

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 14 2024 15:29 utc | 19

Site 512 in the Negev lets hope Iran put it out of action.
“Sometimes something is treated as an official secret not in the hope that an adversary would never find out about it but rather [because] the U.S. government, for diplomatic or political reasons, does not want to officially acknowledge it,” Paul Pillar, a former chief analyst at the CIA’s counterterrorism center who said he had no specific knowledge of the base”
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/27/secret-military-base-israel-gaza-site-512/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2024 15:40 utc | 21

At this point there is precious little in the AA missile pipeline to replenish the IDf stocks.
American reserves stocks of AA missiles and attached radar units have stripped clean by huge losses in the Ukraine, and by the vast expenditures of ordinance used the IDF during six months of deterring rocket fire from Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon.
If the IDF counter strikes Iran, the Iranian reply will have huge impact. Haifa will become Odessa very quickly….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Apr 14 2024 15:47 utc | 23

should Israel choose that road after Tehran attacked it this weekend
Posted by: pxx | Apr 14 2024 15:45 utc | 34
Note that he is merely stating the US will not join in the *attack* (not that it will not play a role in the actual defence of Izzrael)
The Americans speak in infinitely duplicitous terms.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 14 2024 15:48 utc | 25

So the US now has a military base #512 atop of Mt Har Queren in the Negev desert in Israel…..all built without any Congressional approval, and the home to 1,000 USAF troops….
This in addition to the numerous illegal US bases still in operation in Syria and Iraq.
Both governments have demanded that the US close these bases and leave Syria and Iraq immediately……. but the US continues to stall…….
Just more evidence of the deep state neo con control of all US functions……….neo cons love the continuous state war…. the forever war………
This week will witness yet another attempt to fund the $60 B military aid package for the Ukrainian Nazis and for the IDf too………
Speaker Mike Johnson will use the Iranian counter attack as a foil to attempt to pass the package over the objections of the Freedom Caucus……..any excuse will do !!

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Apr 14 2024 16:00 utc | 27

NEW: ‘From preliminary information, the main runway at Nevatim airbase seems to have been hit precisely in its center; the Iranians opted to send a message and to restore deterrence, they clearly did not intend for destruction, or we would have seen it’ – Israeli Analyst @Middle_East_Spectator
“>https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/6208

I had posted this on the previous topic but it goes well inserted here:

Iran is said to have shot their old missiles at Israel. Old missiles that are easy to intercept, are less precise and need to be decommissioned. Russian sources claim that Russia rejected to buy the very same missiles due to their ineffectiveness. Still they got through.
“>https://t.me/myLordBebo/28046

Check out the size of this thing! Does look like like an old obsolete dink. Dead missile in the Dead Sea, practically poetic.

The remains of an Iranian ballistic missile in the Dead Sea
“>https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/6207

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 14 2024 16:22 utc | 29

https://t.me/MIB_MessageInABottle/6317
Ahead of the retaliatory #missile and #drone attack from #Iran, Brave Benjamin #Netanyahu moved to the house of Simon #Falic #occupied #AlQuds/#Jerusalem, to hide out in the house’s fortified #bunker.
Falic is a #US #billionaire, a Republican political party donor and the owner of Duty Free America.
Netanyahu previously hid at this house at the beginning of the #Gaza #Genocide, hiding from #Hamas and #Hezbollah #rockets fired at occupied Al Quds/Jerusalem

Posted by: SamHyde | Apr 14 2024 16:24 utc | 31

Can somebody with a military background (or who at least spends a lot of time understanding tactics and operations) please explain why Iran limited its attacks to military bases and not to military ships or Mossad/Shin Bet/Unit 8200 headquarters?
Is there an extra degree of difficulty involved, or is it just not worth it (i.e., a lower-value attack for missiles spent), or would that be considered overly escalatory, or is there some other logic entirely?
Thank you!

Posted by: Asterisk | Apr 14 2024 16:29 utc | 33

Asterisk @ 33

please explain why Iran limited its attacks to military bases and not to military ships or Mossad/Shin Bet/Unit 8200 headquarters?

Good morning! It was a strike to de-escalate. It’s complex but try to deal with it.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 14 2024 16:34 utc | 35

Good morning! It was a strike to de-escalate. It’s complex but try to deal with it.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 14 2024 16:34 utc | 35
Just to understand, is a strike on intelligence headquarters generally considered more escalatory than a strike on a military base?

Posted by: Asterisk | Apr 14 2024 16:44 utc | 37

@ Chas | Apr 14 2024 16:28 utc | 32
Chas, b just did a sweep and took out a number of Echo Chamber’s long posts. Exile & Norwegian
had responded negatively to EC – in decent language – but evidently b saw fit to take their
posts out too. anon2020, who has posted here for some time, was not critical of them but was
just adding to their now deleted comments, actually in support of them, imo.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 14 2024 16:50 utc | 39

ARTE (French-German public) TV reported at length last evening on the big march in support of Palestine in London. But they have not said a word about the police repression of the Palestine Congress in Berlin.
(If anyone finds this to be off-topic, please say so.)

Posted by: Gene Poole | Apr 14 2024 16:53 utc | 41

anon2020, who has posted here for some time, was not critical of them but was
just adding to their now deleted comments, actually in support of them, imo.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 14 2024 16:50 utc | 39

I did not start reading this thread early enough to have witnessed all this, but I do apologize to anon2020 if that is appropriate.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Apr 14 2024 16:57 utc | 43

or would that be considered overly escalatory
Asterisk | Apr 14 2024 16:29 utc | 33
Probably didn’t want to escalate and probably they damaged the bases enough to send a message. It also lowers a bit the real option that Israel drops a few missiles on their own city and cries it was Iranians. From what is known at this moment, there were no hypersonic missiles used, contrary to previous rumors, only regular missiles and slow drones. So Iran has not revealed anything but Israel did reveal everything and how much they need not only US, but many other countries and many many planes flying (ready to kamikaze into missiles) above other countries to fight cheap drones and a few standard missiles, and they still have failed. This event looks like a test for nato/Israel defenses and tactics and it also revealed which other countries in the region are enemies. However, if these results are not used in the future somehow, it remains that Bibi and Trumpy successfully strike any target, and the “answer” remains a simulation for the internal audience.
Bibi couldn’t care less, they announced new “operations” in Gaza to start in a few days. And if I understand local media, the large protests against him are now forbidden using the old trick to limit public gatherings to 1k people. For their own protection, of course.

Posted by: rk | Apr 14 2024 17:04 utc | 45

Trump associated with Epstein when he was still in full playboy mode. When observing Trumps stances on Israel it might lead one to think Epstein did his job. The majority of US citizens do not want more war although that does not really matter. The status quo is red team supports war against Muslims as befits their particular indoctrination while blue team supports war against Russia type cast as bigoted white Christians as their indoctrination. Thus the MIC is always fed whether from the left or the right
IMO both characterizations are fundamentally incorrect. While there are certainly radicalized Muslims by and large most of the animosity against the USA is largely from its support of Israel. Very few in the USA even understand the Sunni Shia camps and how US money has consistently flowed to Sunni extremists as a means of weakening Iran.
The lefts characterization of Russia as a bigoted white society ignores Russias fantastic success in Chechnya where it has created a society 100% Muslim, 100% on board of their own destiny, and 100% on board with the Russian government (as these things go). The non white populations in Kazakhstan also have enjoyed a significant autonomy (as these things go). Now my words are a characterization also but I dont think it can be debated that Russia governments have a relationship with their minority citizens and with Islam that has no equivilant in US government. IMO the Russian society is quite diverse in it’s own way a uniquely Russian way. Genuune respect based on merit is so much more powerful than quotas in creating harmonious societies. Nobody’s perfect.
I digress. It appears Israel may have to wait for a attack on Iran that has the full support of the US military. Biden being if nothing else a canny politician understands this is a archiles heel for Trump whose broad base support is MAGA not MIGA evangelicals aside. IMO blue team is handing this foreign policy disaster as well as economic disaster off to Trump where it will negate any positives. IMO this what Bibi means when he says “I understand” to Biden not approving full US military participation in a attack on Iran. Bibi truly does understand that the keys must be handed off to a Epstein compromised Trump before the US Is plundered for one last unexplained debt spree military sepeku as a function of the uniparty false dichotomy.

Posted by: misnomer | Apr 14 2024 17:25 utc | 47

Posted by: Vortex | Apr 14 2024 17:14 utc | 46
Only if you believe the Israelis told the truth. Like Boris Johnson, they lie first, and then if it seems advantageous, they may admit part of the truth. They didn’t shoot down 99%, for one. There are videos showing more hits than that. The narrative was ready prepared, and launched as soon as the drones took off. The perfection of the 99% was reached slowly by excluding and taking off-line an increasing proportion of the uploaded videos, which were available earlier.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 14 2024 17:27 utc | 49

Teheran said the targets they choose were limited to units directly linked to the killing of their diplomats.
Hence , no ships, no Mossad, etc

Posted by: Exile | Apr 14 2024 17:44 utc | 51

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2024 13:38 utc | 3
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You left Jordan out.

Posted by: AI | Apr 14 2024 17:53 utc | 53

“You left Jordan out.”
AI (53).
Not just Jordan but French fighter jets also aided and abetted the Zionists who are committing genocide in Gaza.
Iran’s strikes against Israel’s military bases late Saturday night were “in line with the country’s inalienable right of legitimate defense stipulated in Article 51 of the United Nations Charter and in response to the series of crimes” committed by Israel, especially its recent attack in Damascus.
Reports say.
Iran hit a large intelligence base in the occupied lands and Israel’s Nevatim Airbase, from where an F-35 jet took off to target Iran’s consulate in Damascus.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2024 17:59 utc | 55

@Republicofscotland

Its now patently clear that Israel could not survive without the military aid of the (US) and the (UK) as both sent fighter jests to shootdown the drones and missiles, the (US) and the (UK) both aiding and abetting a Zionist occupying military regime

Do you not realize Israel is a British Empire creation? The American Empire is just a continuation of the British Empire (they are joined at the hip). Israel is a “tool” for the Empire to control the regions development and natural resources. America like Britain is an Imperialist country. Imperialism is wealth extraction (land, resources, labor, human mind etc..) from the World for the benefit of a “Racist” Elite minority (they do nothing and live in a garden while the slaves do everything and live in the jungle). Imperialism keeps and forces countries to stay under-developed and dependent. For the West, what better that to have religious nut job Jews in Israel create chaos in the Middle East to serve Imperialism. Israel is another proxy.

Posted by: Ron | Apr 14 2024 18:27 utc | 57

Ron | Apr 14 2024 18:27 utc | 57
And do you not realise that the British Empire is dead while its successor, the American Empire is dying? And in part because of its uncritical support of Israel which has never been a project of any real substance and relies totally on others for its survival.
That means that when the going gets tough, as it is now, for the Empire marginal embarrasments like Israel are the first things that get jettisoned.
Those who believe that Israel was the winner from the Iranian attack are much mistaken: Iran just won a major victory, greatly increasing its status both regionally, among muslims and in the world beyond NATO generally. Israel was just exposed as the weak and unstable excuse for a state that it is.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 14 2024 18:51 utc | 59

Reuters is leading with the following headline
US will not take part in any Israeli retaliatory action against Iran
It is part of the Big Lie technique. Tell as big a lie as possible and keep repeating it.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 14 2024 18:58 utc | 61

Any satellite images of Nevatim Airbase?

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 14 2024 19:14 utc | 63

Newbie@63
There are some reputed ones floating about. Runway damage and some buildings. Resolution not great. If real then a demonstration rather than a militarily significant hit in my estimation. “If we wanted to we could…”

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 14 2024 19:24 utc | 65

If the Likud’s Grand Strategy has been to be feared rather than Loved; what happens when the IDF no longer feared ?

Posted by: Exile | Apr 14 2024 19:31 utc | 67

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMGQ2eIpP_Italian only, subtitles.
A well know Italian professor of international relations Prof. A. Orsini suggests (after minute 2) that the raid was sort of negotiated with the US, fly paths made known to Israel and allies in order that no damage done to Israel, but a clear message is sent that all of Israel can be hit by Iran if necessary. This should defuse the situation, Israel should not attack Iran.

Posted by: magicmirror | Apr 14 2024 19:45 utc | 69

Very early, a day or two in to Israel’s genocide, there was speculation here that the ultimate goal was Iran. Even down to the “unwillingness” of the US. The only part that hasn’t happened yet is the sinking of a carrier.

Posted by: Rae | Apr 14 2024 20:33 utc | 71

It could be we are genuinely seeing a stalemate. The thing is all this was known prior to Israel striking the embassy. Leaving it here is a tremendous win for Iran. Since this outcome was obvious more is ahead or they would not have hit the embassy. My guess what comes next is going to take resources not in place and getting the. In place will take time. What comes next is war not tit for tat. If continuing tit for tat was desired it would have been kept proxy. Hitting the Embassy ended the proxy stage. Now Iran has responded with the “concluded” business. A last attempt to avoid war because tit for tat ended with the embassy strike. What comes next is war two nations attempting to damage the other no holds bar. That undertaking applied to Iran will take time. in fact neither Israel or the USA have the conventional resources to win a war with Iran. Hormuz choke point and checkmate didn’t dissolve last night.
You either believe Israel made a huge strategic blunder or more is coming. That’s the two conclusions. Mine is more is coming. Its a huge undertaking (pun not intended) much bigger than anything seen in our lives including the Ukraine project and it necessitates resources that can not be provided with finance supported conventional weapons. The decision has been made to take something out of pandora box and use it in this time frame in this location in this ethno religious setting against a population marginalized with the brutality of Gaza as a background. This is similar but not identical to the previous use of weapons of mass destruction where the brutality of Ww2 was the background for weapons of mass destruction being used on the Japanese people who at that time were also ethno religious marginalized. The time place and circumstances have been carefully chosen and created to maximize the probability of a desirable outcome but all possibilities will have been considered. This project will take additional time to prepare for and the Biden said no is a conveniant cover now that the next stage has reached completion with the desired direct attack on Israel being the pearl harbor equivalent. This is the beginning of the culmination of the 80 year synthetic nation project known as Israel.

Posted by: misnomer | Apr 14 2024 20:53 utc | 73

Palestine Chronicle reports Sunday April 14. “Israeli army: Two reserve brigades will be recruited for operational tasks in the Gaza Strip based on an assessment of the situation.”. Does this mean ground troops — other than the brigade still there –to re-enter Gaza? The bombing is resuming. Did it ever stop. One moa posters has said the last night during Iran’s action, Gazans experienced one night of not being bombed.

Posted by: Lavieja | Apr 14 2024 20:59 utc | 75

Loose ends:
What about the Rafah operation? Do we really think Bibi just gives up on that?
What about that ship the Iranians seized, isn’t that a big story? Shipping rates gonna do the moonshot.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 14 2024 21:05 utc | 77

Thank you b, for the excellent work you do but also for putting a stop to SB and EC, “they” had infected the bar for way too long.
My take is the strategic damaged done to the “invincible” Zionist brand. Iran, Hezbulloh and possibly Syria will now respond directly to any Zionist action against them.
I am interested in the following:
Jordan’s actions have been noticed. How will its population react? Jordan is a poor country that depends on alms from it’s Arab neighbours, who appears to changed sides.
US “support” for any Zionist actions were hampered by the GCCs refusal to allow assets based in their countries to assist. What does this portends for those bases?
How will the Settlers react to the lack of action against Iran? Many will now leave fearing for their safety, is the demoralised Army on the verge of break down, discipline has always been slack.
Will the faith in the “War Council” survive seeing all that hot air about striking Iran?

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 14 2024 21:31 utc | 79

Second, it reeks of narrative control to prop up markets.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 14 2024 20:54 utc | 74
Methinks you’ve hit the nail on the head. I follow some market activity, including cryptocurrencies which trade all the time, 24/7/365. They took a serious nosedive as soon as news of Iran’s retaliatory attacks started to trickle out. The consensus among the people I talk to about this stuff IRL is that the rest of the markets are going to see something similar happen when trading opens on Monday in Asia and the US.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 14 2024 21:40 utc | 81

The bombing is resuming. Did it ever stop. One moa posters has said the last night during Iran’s action, Gazans experienced one night of not being bombed.
Posted by: Lavieja | Apr 14 2024 20:59 utc | 75
+++++
That claim originated from @PressTV. I just reposted it here.
could just be propaganda from Iran to add additional righteousness to their already fully justified attack.
But it’s hardy unbelievable that the ZioNazis felt it prudent to pause genociding Palestinians for one night in order to concentrate of countering more pressing military matters

Posted by: SamHyde | Apr 14 2024 21:53 utc | 83

An Israeli attack on Iran is virtually impossible, given all the airspace that is closed to US and Israeli planes…But it would be futile anyway, since Iran’s nuclear facilities are under mountains..,
Posted by: pyrrhus | Apr 14 2024 21:34 utc | 80
++++
A conventional weapons attack is probably off the table for the moment, given the difficult logistics, but a nuke attack cannot be ruled out in the future, given that the Israelis are brought up to be JudeoSupremacists who believe they can act with impunity due to Empire backing

Posted by: DamHyde | Apr 14 2024 21:58 utc | 85

Iran’s national security council has approved strikes 10x magnitude of the initial one in case Nuttanyahoo attacks Iran.
Also, saw some report where Gazans said they had the first night in 6 months where Israel planes did not drop bombs in Gaza.
https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1779623804429316317

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 14 2024 22:00 utc | 87

Iran’s national security council has approved strikes 10x magnitude of the initial one in case Nuttanyahoo attacks Iran.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 14 2024 22:00 utc | 87
Zero times ten dead is still zero.

Posted by: armalyte | Apr 14 2024 22:02 utc | 89

Jordan’s actions have been noticed. How will its population react? Jordan is a poor country that depends on alms from it’s Arab neighbours, who appears to changed sides.
US “support” for any Zionist actions were hampered by the GCCs refusal to allow assets based in their countries to assist. What does this portends for those bases?
How will the Settlers react to the lack of action against Iran? Many will now leave fearing for their safety, is the demoralised Army on the verge of break down, discipline has always been slack.
Will the faith in the “War Council” survive seeing all that hot air about striking Iran?
Posted by: Suresh | Apr 14 2024 21:31 utc | 79
Jordan: I don’t follow Jordan closely enough to hazard a guess on any specific time frame, the Arab monarchies in general are in a precarious position. Qatar is deeply aligned with the US, and has huge US bases, but other than that is an oil pump pretending to be a country.UAE, Kuwait, Oman, are not much different. Saudi is a bit more like a real nation-state, and has cleverly moved toward RICs, including joining BRICS+, but the others lack this foresight.
In a regional war, there is little doubt that the US bases anywhere but Saudi will be destroyed. In Qatar, this will be followed by the fall of the monarchy in short order. Saudi will not let US perform missions for Israel from the bases there, and in a regional war, anything but withdrawal will be a mission for Israel.
The conundrum for all of these monarchies, including Jordan, is whether to change sides now, which will doubtless lead to something akin to democracy in the not too distant future, or to help US/IS prevail in the hope that they will continue to backstop their loyal minions. The way things are shaping, it’s not really much of a conundrum- they need to move now, or they will go down.
I think the best case scenario is that the GCCs allow the US to stay as long as they sit tight, until the overt conflict (which would include the Gaza massacre, which is a casus belli for several important players) is over, and then they will be pushed out. The other possibility is that the US participates in Israeli reprisals, and the bases are blown to hell.
The settlers are fleeing as they can. This will accelerate. Unfortunately, the math suggests that those most interested in deposing Bibi are also most motivated to leave, so there may be a hardening of the psychopathic stance of the Zionists that remain. Maybe they’ll go for a new Masada.
Whether Israelis lose faith in the leadership in a timely fashion remains unpredictable. There is a tendency for people in relatively comfortable ‘democracies’ to refrain from direct action until it’s too late to matter, and my guess is that this is what will happen in Israel. Israel’s future will be shaped by its interactions with those outside it, rather than the will of its own population.

Posted by: Honzo | Apr 14 2024 22:05 utc | 91

Delhiliterally 90
As I have said before, is a man who flourishes under Hitler in good mental health? What about Hitler himself? What about Biden and Sunak and Macron and Scholz? Are they not grinning with delight at the genocide
they are enabling?
Those who worship power spend decades shuffling papers in order to get to the top of the pole. How can they complain when the divvy they draw compels them to assist madmen in the Middle East murder innocent civilians?
They waited their whole life.
Who cares about the happiness of a Nazi getting the slaughter he wants?

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 14 2024 22:27 utc | 93

The US-Israel were able to shoot down Iran’s drones over neighboring Arab territory, which meant at least the tacit cooperation of the GCC states, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt.
Having a population dependent on government aid for food limits their ability to demand anything more, as long as they are worried about their next meal. Witness Egypt, Mubarak was deposed because the US refused to increase aid for food to match price increases, and the replacement dictator for the military rule is more secure than ever, as long as he is able to feed his people. Jordan is presumably no different.
As I’ve said before , overthrow of these US-Israel collaborators and liberalization of the economies to wrest economic power away from government control is the only way the people in those countries can truly be free. It is only through them that the Palestinians can have a hope of being free themselves.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Apr 14 2024 22:38 utc | 95

Analysis from simplicius:
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/iran-breaches-anglo-zionist-defenses

Posted by: Vortex | Apr 14 2024 22:49 utc | 97

Also, even if they won’t attack Iran directly (in case we actually believe that US didn’t agree with Israel on this topic), they will definitely use their proxies to harm Iran (ISIS-K and other “sunni muslims” which for some reason fight their own brothers when it counts).

Posted by: JamesBond | Apr 14 2024 23:05 utc | 99