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April 10, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-107
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Repost from prior thread:,
Resistance Daily Round Up SITREP
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/zanna-operation-video-released-the-resistance-roundup-day-186/#
Comment – southern front : a most illuminating 8 minute video embedded in SITREP of a series of firefights from 6.April northern front – a video of a drone striking a Merkava
Posted by: Exile | Apr 10 2024 18:04 utc | 1
NPR Works With Mossad
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Mary Louise Kelly, the anchor for ‘All Things Considered’ at NPR
worked with, or ‘shilled for’, Israel’s Mossad spy agency.
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Background
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There are many strong indicatiors that Israel let Oct 7th happen on purpose.
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It was done so as to create outrage and the support for ethnically cleansing Gaza, and
predictably, this would be followed by the same treatment in the West Bank.
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The strong indications of LIHOP were numerous, including, but not limited to:
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Netanyahu was three months away from annexing a large portion of the West Bank,
everyone, including Hamas, knew it.
Netanyahu intentionally antagonized the Palestinians by invading the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
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**** Israel was in possession of Hamas’ *detailed* plan for Oct 7th a year in advance.
**** Israel removed the majority of it’s forces around Gaza just prior to Oct 7th.
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Mossad had humint, spys, crawling all over Gaza.
Gaza was the most watched patch of Earth by satellites.
Plus! Israel’s own intelligence officers were warning — in writing — that they believed an attack was imminent.
Israelis watching the borders of Gaza had been sounding the alert over unusual activity for weeks and months.
Israel relocated the Rave Party into the known danger zone just three miles from Gaza; irregular pressure
from higher ups overruled the grave security concerns of the IDF officers who normally were charged with approving or
disapproving activities near Gaza.
It was hours before the IDF arrived in force after the Hamas jail break, Israel refuses to explain why.
But even before the arrival in force of the IDF Israel had implemented the Hannabal Directive.
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The above are the familiar indicators. You should also be aware that, incredibly, Israel ceased the monitoring of
Hamas’ radio network some months before Oct 7th. This is Israel’s stance, that they ceased monitoring
altogether; but, more likely is that they compartmentalized it so that only insiders to the LIHOP
were getting this critical intelligence.
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Israeli media headline: “Unit 8200 could have saved Israel from Oct. 7; why hasn’t it owned up to its failure?”
https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/11/23/unit-8200-could-have-save-israel-from-oct-7-why-hasnt-it-owned-up-to-its-failure/
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This is where NPR comes in.
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NPR, in the person of Mary Louise Kelly, the anchor for ‘All Things Considered’,
promoted the cover up angle that ceasing of the monitoring was a reasonable thing to do.
Her sounding board was the “retired” Sima Shine, former head of research and analysis for Mossad.
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Read it and see that this was not reporting, but advocacy for an Israeli cover-up agenda.
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/06/1211024508/israels-spy-agency-is-one-of-the-best-how-did-it-not-foresee-hamas-attacks
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Also, the NPR interview only dealt with the interception of messages by means of monitoring Hamas’ radio network.
***Importantly, NPR did not address the fact that there is sophisticated monitoring equipment capable of giving locations and numbers
of radios being used by an enemy.
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The radio communication traffic would have become volcanic on Oct 7th, and that itself should have led to a Red Alert.
**Israel could have also seen large radio traffic taking place **outside** !!! the walls of Gaza in the minutes after the
jail break and this would certainly be cause for a Red Alert.
With the monitoring equipment Israel could have then tracked the direction and concentration of Hamas.
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Listening to the interview, clearly NPR is actively assisting with explaining away the lack of monitoring.
This is not reporting or journalism this is actively assisting Israel/Mossad with a cover up.
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You might find it interesting to listen and you will notice a curious thing.
At the above NPR link is a podcast of the interview.
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When the interview gets to the real meat of why it was ok to stop monitoring
the Mossad agent is explaining and suddenly there is a hard edit. You can discern it easily.
Mossad is explaining, “And…”. And then explanation is cut short.
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At the 3:30 mark is the very clear edit.
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“SHINE: But it makes sense to me. It makes sense to me. And… ”
Posted by: librul | Apr 10 2024 18:14 utc | 2
The zionazis just murdered Haniyeh’s sons and grandchildren.
Bernhard’s hopium about Nazinyahu backing down looks more ridiculous than ever.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 10 2024 18:20 utc | 3
“The blood of my children is not more valuable than the blood of the children of the Palestinian people … All the martyrs of Palestine are my children.” Ismail Haniyeh
This is a quote not soon to be forgotten, to be enshrined as the touchstone of the Palestinian response to Israel’s continuing atrocities, especially those which violate every red line – their self proclaimed policy of annihilating the families of their enemies. Again, not soon to be forgotten – particularly as Netanyahu’s son basks in the sun on the beaches of Florida.
Posted by: abierno | Apr 10 2024 18:21 utc | 4
Note ; the Pentagon in Iraq would also arrest children and womenfolk of suspected militants who they couldn’t catch.
In Afghanistan, U.S. Navy Seals were notorious for nighttime smash and grab terror raids of homes where suspected militants were thought to be living.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 10 2024 18:31 utc | 5
Today was the end of Ramadan month. Hamas proposed an optimistic “peace plan” via Egypt, Turkey took “some” sanctions. IDF haven’t violated any new international convention yet.
A relatively quiet day in an everyday massacre epoch.
Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Apr 10 2024 18:40 utc | 6
Israel will launch strikes against Iran’s nuclear program in the event that Tehran retaliates for the recent attack on its embassy in Damascus, a London-based Arabic outlet has reported, citing an anonymous Western security official. […]
The US “will remain supportive of Israel” and provide it with all the support, weapons, and equipment needed for this mission, a source told Elaph. US President Joe Biden has assured Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Washington will stand by West Jerusalem “in all circumstances,” the source added.[…]
https://www.rt.com/news/595670-israel-iran-nuclear-sites/
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So, Israel, having started their war against Iran, which they want desperately to get the US to handle for them from now on, is going to retaliate if Iran responds to the unprovoked Israeli attack last week. And the US will oblige with its utmost support. What kind of fresh idiocy is this? Tell the f’ing whack-jobs in Israel they are on their own, for god’s sake. How much common sense does it take to just say ‘fuck no’ to the deranged Israelis at this point?
Posted by: teri | Apr 10 2024 18:42 utc | 7
You gotta laugh at Washington’s bullshit that the Zionists aren’t committing genocide when there a plethora of clips on social media showing that they are, by denying the bleeding obvious Washington just makes itself look stupid and deceitful, which we know of the latter to be very true.
The items of Article (2) of the Genocide Convention have definitely been broken.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention
“The largest Muslim civil rights organization in the United States has denounced Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin for rejecting accusations that Israel has committed genocide in the besieged Gaza Strip.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) made the condemnation in a statement on X shortly after Austin said Washington has seen no evidence that Israel committed acts of genocide.”
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/04/10/723433/Austin-CAIR-Gaza
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 10 2024 18:44 utc | 8
The Real Impact of American Aid on Palestinians: Tucker Carlson interviews Bethlehem pastor Munther Isaac
How does the government of Israel treat Christians? In the west, Christian leaders don’t seem interested in knowing the answer. They should be. Here’s the view of a pastor from Bethlehem.
https://youtu.be/eHayOkXe5ig
Posted by: PassionateProgressiv | Apr 10 2024 18:48 utc | 9
The English PM will not stop selling arms to the Zionists, which makes the English government complicit in genocide these vile b*strds must stand trial for aiding and abetting genocide when the dust settles.
“British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has doubled down on exporting arms to Israel, stressing that no change has been made with regard to selling arms to the occupying regime .
Sunak stressed on Wednesday that arms exports to Israel would continue as before and the flow would not be suspended, echoing Foreign Secretary David Cameron’s remarks a day earlier that London’s policy of selling arms to Tel Aviv remains “unchanged.””
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/04/10/723414/UK-Sunak-arms-export-Israel-Palestine-Gaza
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 10 2024 18:50 utc | 10
The Zionists are working overtime to get (US) celebrities onside and us in the process with regards to the ongoing Zionist genocide in Gaza.
“The Maccabee Task Force (MTF) and Rova Media are the organizations working to send celebrities to Israel. Israeli television production company Eight Productions helps document the trips for media purposes.”
The article names many celebrities.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/israel-celebrity-charm-offensive-truth-behind-glamorous-trips/287229/
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 10 2024 19:01 utc | 11
I have been trying find out more about happened on October 7 at Nahal Oz. The official story is this:
“Fifteen female IDF observers and three female IDF officers died in the toxic Nahal Oz inferno. Six officers and one surveillance soldier managed to escape the toxic environment and survived to tell the tale to investigators. Of those remaining, six others were abducted by the terrorists who dragged them into Gaza.
The main finding, detailed by an engineering expert, indicated that an unspecified, toxic flammable substance was hurled into the entrance of a building housing the surveillance commander center at the base.”
The IDF claims that Hamas used chemical warfare against IDF troops holed up in a surveillance center at the Nahal Oz base. If you Google “Hamas chemical attack”, there are no results about this alleged Hamas chemical attack (scorlled down the first few pages of results) despite 18 female IDF soldiers getting killed by the chemicals. Instead you have lots of variations on this article “Herzog: Hamas had plans to deploy chemical weapons” [because of recipe books found on the fighters].
It shows that while the IDF officially claims Hamas used chemical weapons in a specific attack but they are completely silent in linking the attack to any general narrative about Hamas and chemical weapons. I can’t find even alternative media covering the gas attack. As far as I know no questions have been raised about whether the IDF used chemicals against its own girls.
Posted by: tasresp | Apr 10 2024 19:37 utc | 12
hey canuck it seems you mistakenly missed the questioning of your bizarre assertion again so here it is
“ Saddam was its man in Iraq until he got uppity and thought he was in charge of Iraq, and that Iraq should be governed for the Iraqi people. Israel is obviously a special case, but the State Dept do have contingency plans for dealing with leaders who go off-script.
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Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 9 2024 19:31 utc | 98
Excellent secular exegesis
Posted by: canuck | Apr 9 2024 20:09 utc | 105
making any kind of analogy between us control of iraq and supposed us control of israel seems mildly disingenuous. what evidence supports this?
Posted by: abornk | Apr 10 2024 3:11 utc | 219”
Posted by: abornk | Apr 10 2024 19:42 utc | 13
Palestine House of Freedom
…for the future nonwarring condition of the world.
Posted by: john | Apr 10 2024 19:49 utc | 14
Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Apr 10 2024 18:40 utc | 6
The “calm” before the storm?
Really hope b’s analyse (April 08, 2024) is the one that will prevail,
it would be a surprise for me but very pleasant.
Posted by: Tak-Tik | Apr 10 2024 19:52 utc | 15
Dina Elmuti explains how it was that the Zionists came up with a blow by blow account of atrocities on October 7th- it was pure projection. They were just recalling what they had done in 1948, and have done many times since.
“Like a vicious beast with an insatiable bloodlust, he shot a bullet into her neck and then sliced her abdomen open with the welding knife, until it turned into a bloody pulp from the fury of razor-sharp ravaging teeth.
“Twenty-year-old Salhiyeh Eid was nine months pregnant. When my grandmother’s 15-year-old cousin, Aisha Radwan, rushed to extricate the unborn infant from Salhiyeh’s eviscerated womb, the terrorist killed her, too.
“What began as a picturesque spring morning, with almond trees in full bloom and fig and apricot trees ripening, quickly turned into a merciless bloodbath. The air was thick with the cloying stench of blood flowing through the cobbled streets, while bullet-riddled bodies decomposed in the sun. The caustic odor of corpses burning in the village’s stone quarry was unbearable. These are the details narrated to me by the members of my family who experienced them. They are survivors of the Deir Yassin Massacre of 1948.
“Earlier that morning, armed members of Zionist terrorist militias, the Stern Gang and the Irgun Zvai Leumi, invaded the pastoral village and slaughtered anyone with a beating pulse. They beheaded babies, burned a child alive in the communal oven, and committed acts of sexual assault and systematic rape.
“Zionist terrorists slaughtered nearly 254 villagers.
“If these atrocities appear disturbingly familiar, it’s because these were the same acts that Hamas was falsely accused of committing after October 7, solidifying the notion that “every Zionist accusation is a confession.” …
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/04/the-deir-yassin-massacre-reminds-us-every-zionist-accusation-is-a-confession/
Posted by: bevin | Apr 10 2024 19:53 utc | 16
Fifteen female IDF observers and three female IDF officers died in the toxic Nahal Oz inferno.
@Posted by: tasresp | Apr 10 2024 19:37 utc | 12
Smoke is more deadly than fire.
Fire will often consume most of the available oxygen, slowing the burning process. This ‘incomplete combustion’ results in carbon monoxide released into the air, which is deadly.
Toxic gases are also released by certain burning objects, with carbon monoxide being the most common. Other toxic gases are released depending on what has caught fire, such as hydrogen cyanide from burning plastics and phosgene from household products such as vinyl materials.
https://www.fireco.uk/the-killing-fumes-why-smoke-is-more-deadly-than-fire/
Posted by: librul | Apr 10 2024 20:03 utc | 17
Posted by: Tak-Tik | Apr 10 2024 19:52 utc | 15
IOF “first crusade” might take the long and boring siege of Antioch road…a quiet massacre. Lots of people are dying around the world right now ; about 400 registered by US “crisis situations” … one more, one less : as long nobody dares to speak about it … but I don’t have any trust in the IOF not doing something incredibly stupid and ruining the thing in the end.
I’m also not so sure the other countries in the region will be able to live with it as nothing happen.
Time will tell, my guess is the frog began to understand the water is hot right now … will it choose to jump out or boil ? IDK !
Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Apr 10 2024 20:45 utc | 18
meanwhile back at the ranch
“…if it were not for a word limit, her team would have written an “encyclopedia” about such genocidal crimes….”
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/un-special-rapporteur–eu-is-obliged-to-cut-trade-with–isra
UN special rapporteur: EU is obliged to cut trade with ‘Israel’
Francesca Albanese says the EU is obliged to halt its association agreement with “Israel” due to its human rights violations.
Albanese pointed to the “disconnect” between the European Union’s political class and the public regarding “Israel’s” aggression on the Gaza Strip. Earlier, the official had extensively detailed the crimes and human rights violations committed by “Israel” in a report she had submitted to the concerned international authorities, saying that if it were not for a word limit, her team would have written an “encyclopedia” about such genocidal crimes….
….Earlier on April 8, Nicaragua said that it is setting out its case against Germany at the ICJ for “facilitating the commission of genocide” against Palestinians, as it has been providing the Israeli occupation with military and financial aid.
In a 43-page submission to the court, Nicaragua states that Germany is breaching the 1948 United Nations Genocide Convention.
Nicaragua has requested five provisional measures, including that Germany “immediately suspend its aid to Israel, in particular its military assistance including military equipment.”
It also urged the court to order Germany to “reverse its decision to suspend the funding of UNRWA.” …….
Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 10 2024 20:51 utc | 19
A lot of traffic going on about an imminent direct response/attack on “Israel” by Iran, urgent communications between countries, closed airspaces and flight suspensions. Doesn’t have the feeling of bluffery, possibly a showdown that might be held back by diplomatic interventions.
Posted by: Ornot | Apr 10 2024 22:30 utc | 20
“A lot of traffic going on about an imminent direct response/attack on “Israel” by Iran, urgent communications between countries, closed airspaces and flight suspensions. Doesn’t have the feeling of bluffery, possibly a showdown that might be held back by diplomatic interventions.”
It’s all bullshit to me. From both sides.
Posted by: Comandante | Apr 10 2024 22:35 utc | 21
Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 10 2024 20:51 utc | 19
All of this talk about the EU reversing direction has me thinking they ought to be extra vigilant against inevitable terror attacks in EU countries, perpetrated of course by “ISIS-K”…
And then a “See? We told you Hamas = ISIS-K = Evil Islamic threats! You should be on OUR side!”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 10 2024 22:50 utc | 22
@21 – Comandante
yep. Israel has made it clear they want to fight, or more precisely, want the US to fight. Biden has made noises to the effect that the US will back Israel up, setting aside the unpleasant business in Gaza. No surprises there. US is also “predicting an attack”, which previously has been the case when they or their proxies are working hard at provoking one.
I think at some point Iran must conclude that they’ll keep getting provoked until the inevitable happens, so might as well get on with it. Certainly there is no shortage of casus belli after the embassy strike.
Ironically, if Iran wants to make a deterrence move, strikes against US assets would probably be less provocative than against Israel proper.
The last signifier is said to be US ships departing the Gulf en masse. There isn’t much listed there at the moment but it’s unclear.
Posted by: pxx | Apr 10 2024 22:55 utc | 23
Seconding some opinions above vis a vis Unit 8200. If I were an IDF commander who took seriously and literally the publicly declared purpose of the Gaza defense perimeter I would want a Unit 8200, i.e. an AI-powered ‘invisible wall’ whose primary purpose is defense, after all it is a static wall, not an aircraft carrier or submarine. My principal mandate, grounded in the most up-to-date AI tech, is to defend the Israeli civilian population of the area, then IDF personnel under my command, thereby also reducing the possibility of needless or collateral casualties among the Gaza population. Yet Unit 8200 seems to have failed utterly in all these purposes, functions, and missions as a result of Mad Max-like Hamas fighters visible to the naked eye from miles away, who commandeered bulldozers and motorcycles and slow and utterly exposed flying lawnmowers. I understand computerized defense systems, including the latest in AI tech, are not omniscient, but I bet they have gotten surprisingly dystopian in their ability to observe at both macro and micro physical and digital scales and consequently predict the sort of concerted human action that Oct 7 entailed.
Posted by: Ludo | Apr 10 2024 23:29 utc | 25
Watch th speech by Ayatollah Khamenei, right after he says Isreal will be punished, the canmera pans to IRGC Aerospace Forces commander Ali Hajizadeh, who smiles.
Iran has cancelled all military leaves, air defence around Teheran is on full alert, all air traffic over Tehran to be suspended from mid night and the Zionist has convened an urgent emergency meeting.
Apparently the 5th Fleet is on full combat readiness.
Gaza might have a reason to celebrate Eid al Fitr after all.
Eid Murbarak.
Posted by: Suresh | Apr 10 2024 23:38 utc | 26
Exile | Apr 10 2024 18:04 utc | 1
Israel succeeding?
‘On All Fronts’ – Has Israel Been Strategically Defeated?
By Robert Inlakesh
Today, the Palestinian movement for national liberation is more popular than ever before and the Palestinian Resistance remains steadfast.
Israel initiated its war on Gaza last October with two clear goals, neither of which have been achieved, while meanwhile they have suffered severe blows on the military, security, political, legal, economic and public relations fronts.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/on-all-fronts-has-israel-been-strategically-defeated/
Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 10 2024 23:38 utc | 27
Last week saw high-level US-China military talks, then a 4-day visit of SoT Yellen to China.
Lavrov visited Beijing this week.
Looks like they’re prepared for a possible escalation between Israel and Iran.
The last signifier is said to be US ships departing the Gulf en masse. There isn’t much listed there at the moment but it’s unclear.
pxx | Apr 10 2024 22:55 utc | 23
Interesting point – source? In any case, US 5th fleet can’t intervene. Beijing won’t allow that.
Being an eternal optimist (thinking up worst-case scenarios is easy/ boring), I still assume things can be contained. If Iran retaliates, maybe they’ll hit some previously evacuated IDF base?
Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 0:03 utc | 28
If USA “bay of pigs” the idf, it would be so satisfyingly unkosher.
Posted by: UWDude | Apr 11 2024 0:21 utc | 29
@28 smuks
I was saying that is the last sign to look for, but not seeing anything particularly special.
I was looking at https://news.usni.org/2024/04/08/usni-news-fleet-and-marine-tracker-april-8-2024. Eisenhower group in Red Sea, a destroyer rotated in to the Mediterranean, Ford group back in the US, another one set to to deploy in a few weeks or months.
Of course if there were reason not to show something it wouldn’t be shown. There are plenty of US forces based in Bahrain and Qatar, and all over the region. They can’t realy be moved to safety if things get crazy. That’s part of their purpose.
I’m pretty sure also, that nobody in the Gulf region besides Israel stands to benefit from a conflict. Israel, as usual, hoping to get in a cheap shot by abusing the good will and restraint of others. And if retaliation comes and sparks a war, the upside this time is a free pass on the Gaza war crimes. The turds running the Biden administration would probably be okay with it too, except for the election. But I don’t think Biden admin is in control. Proving that is also part of Netanyahu’s strategy.
Posted by: pxx | Apr 11 2024 0:27 utc | 30
ZH has a posting up about the saber rattling going on with the title
US Could Launch Joint Retaliatory Strikes With Israel If It Is Attacked By Iran: Official
the quote
Update(1550ET): Upping the ante, a US official has told Al Jazeera that the Pentagon could intervene militarily if there is an Iranian attack launched against Israel.
According to a translation from Al Jazeera Arabic, the US source said, “We do not rule out launching joint retaliatory strikes with Israel if it is attacked by Iran or its agents.”
There was no further elaboration, or an indicator whether a US joint response with Israel would include offensive strikes against Iran, or if this would just be defensive, for example – anti air measures. However, Axios has the following details which appears to confirm the Al Jazeera reporting:The senior U.S. military commander in charge of the Middle East is expected to go to Israel Thursday to coordinate around a possible attack on Israel by Iran and its proxies, two Israeli officials said.
…The commander of the U.S. military central command (CENTCOM) Gen. Erik Kurilla is expected to meet senior Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) officials and Israeli defense minister Yoav Gallant.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2024 0:41 utc | 31
Vid. Or it didn’t happen.
>…Palestinian civilians get shоt by Israelis and eaten by dogs while collecting aid
https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1775996609454563597
§| Meanwhile. In msm. “How dare you not use my pronouns correctly.”
Posted by: Freeassange | Apr 11 2024 0:41 utc | 32
asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل
@asadabukhalil
For those who expressed concern, the son of Mahmoud Abbas is safe and sound.
https://twitter.com/asadabukhalil/status/1778219374559769058
Posted by: Menz | Apr 11 2024 1:01 utc | 33
Owen Jones
@OwenJones84
Israel murdering the children and grandchildren of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh – the kids were aged 10, 8 and 4 – in Gaza is depraved, medieval style slaughter.
They weren’t butchered while attempting to kill Haniyeh, who is in Qatar.
Israel killed his family to make a point.
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1778163444358717858
Posted by: Menz | Apr 11 2024 1:02 utc | 34
Square profile picture
AJ+
@ajplus
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9h
“Bloody Blinken!”
These anti-genocide activists are camped outside U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s house 24/7, pouring fake blood in the street to protest his role in Israel’s war on Gaza. (with @Dena
)
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1778091171887395144
Posted by: Menz | Apr 11 2024 1:08 utc | 35
Middle East Observer
@ME_Observer_
⚡️Mossad assassination in #Lebanon:
The Lebanese banker Muhammad Sorour, who was said to have been transferring money to #Gaza, was subjected to severe torture before he was assassinated
The martyr Sorour was transferred by the killers to a furnished apartment for one month located in the town of Beit Mery, north of Beirut, with the aim of interrogating him with extreme violence.
Lebanese security circles confirm that he was subjected to severe torture before he was killed, and it is strongly believed that the #Israeli Mossad was behind the operation
The murdered martyr was subjected to interrogation while he was handcuffed, and the killers were in direct contact with Tel Aviv during the violent interrogation
Violent torture was also carried out by shooting him from his feet to his shoulders, where he received more than 10 bullets
Sources to Al-Mayadeen: It seems that the murdered martyr did not confess to the Mossad members what they wanted to force him to do, so they killed him and left.
https://twitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1778131384122454448
Posted by: Menz | Apr 11 2024 1:14 utc | 36
I really don’t think Israel is going to make a direct strike on Iran right now. Iran is already too inflamed and can make a significant counterattack. Also Iran has no actual nuclear weapon facilities to strike. In the short term they get the most from making a major on Yemen, hoping to get their supply line through the canal running at full capacity.
Posted by: Promptcritical | Apr 11 2024 1:30 utc | 37
“ Saddam was its man in Iraq until he got uppity and thought he was in charge of Iraq, and that Iraq should be governed for the Iraqi people. Israel is obviously a special case, but the State Dept do have contingency plans for dealing with leaders who go off-script.
Scott Ritter, who traveled between Israel and Iraq right before the war stated that Israel was in charge of the Iraq war.
Posted by: JackG | Apr 11 2024 1:45 utc | 38
Update(1550ET): Upping the ante, a US official has told Al Jazeera that the Pentagon could intervene militarily if there is an Iranian attack launched against Israel.
According to a translation from Al Jazeera Arabic, the US source said, “We do not rule out launching joint retaliatory strikes with Israel if it is attacked by Iran or its agents.”
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2024 0:41 utc | 31
Iran sits on the strait of Hormuz. They said the same things about AnsarAllah, how did it work out in Yemen? Iran is mountainous too, and dug in too. Remarkable folly if they do try it. Using nukes just makes it clear you need to be put down.
Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 11 2024 1:58 utc | 39
@ Bemildred | Apr 11 2024 1:58 utc | 40 who wrote
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Using nukes just makes it clear you need to be put down.
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Who is the you being pointed at? I will assume you meant they instead of you
No nukes here
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2024 2:11 utc | 40
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2024 2:11 utc | 41
That would depend on who uses the nukes.
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US envoy asked Middle East foreign ministers to mediate with Iran
New Arab
Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 11 2024 2:16 utc | 41
Iran will retaliate indirectly: against the US and its interests. Israel can wait.
Posted by: ChrisB | Apr 11 2024 2:20 utc | 42
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Allah suffices us, and He is the best disposer of affairs
حسبنا الله ونعم الوكيل💔😭
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Posted by: Lydia | Apr 11 2024 2:29 utc | 43
If the Izzies have moved most of their troops out of the Rafah area as we are told they have done, many Palestinians remain there, including those driven there from the north, perhaps 1.4 million people total.
(By the way, if according to msm ~30,000 Palestinians have been killed by the Izzies since Oct 7, then where are the other million people? Under the dumb-bomb rubble? So the death toll is probably over 1 million killed by us-supplied also uk, germany especially weapons. How many murdered make a holocaust?)
Judging from past behaviour of these extremists, i would not be surprised if they now proceed to eliminate all Rafah area life stream. They will claim a pyrrhic victory over their perceived nemesis, the Semitic peoples. Removing their troops clears the way for more atrocities.
Somebody should have lobbed of the ears of the aggressors long ago. Not my bailiwick. I do recall reading long ago whilst in an inquisitive mode that one of the sidras said that a disobedient male child should be killed — guess the izzies gave up that horrific practice, huh?
Posted by: suzan | Apr 11 2024 3:11 utc | 44
Can anyone explain to me why the same rationale used to justify the R2P action by NATO in Libya (UN Resolution 1973) was not applied to Gaza within the same timeframe (and at all!) ?
The case appears to be exactly the same in essence to me …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2024 3:48 utc | 45
Operation keep Epstein tapes under wraps , is going along smoothly. Now we get nuclear terrorism on a nation state level, since Ukraine set the bar low with NATO approval. Attacking Iran’s nuclear facilities is surely one way to kick start a war.
Posted by: Hankster | Apr 11 2024 3:52 utc | 46
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2024 0:41 utc | 31
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That is exactly what Bibi needs to save the day.
I hope Iran keeps turning the other cheek and quietly waging asymmetric responses that cannot be easily understood or publicized, the heat will stay on Israel and I suspect it will die on the vine.
While Trump is a Zionist tool, I don’t think he’s going to take America to war for the Bibi. Trump is a guy who tries to bluff his way out of confrontations rather than meet them head-on where he could lose.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 11 2024 4:17 utc | 47
#9 PassionateProgressiv
mange tusen takk, many thousand thank you’s. Rev. Munther Isaac went to seminary iirc in Pennsylvania USA and got his Phd from Oxford, not that that really matters. Paraphrase of end, When will Christianity get serious about the command of Jesus to be peacemakers?
Posted by: paxmark1 | Apr 11 2024 5:46 utc | 49
USA and Israel would use nuclear weapons against Iran, without hesitation.
The lesson Russia should learn.
Posted by: vargas | Apr 11 2024 7:04 utc | 50
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 11 2024 4:17 utc | 48
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While Trump is a Zionist tool, I don’t think he’s going to take America to war for the Bibi.
Trump is not a Zionist tool. Trump is, in his father’s tradition, a crypto-Jew in the service of Jews, and so extreme an ultra-Zionist that Miriam Adelson thought he deserved his own book in the Jewish bible, like Esther.
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2019/0711-TrumpRothschild.html
Posted by: sarz | Apr 11 2024 7:11 utc | 51
May be unadverted by you, rare interview with PM of Yemen, by Daniel Estulin….
https://estulin.media/en/content/the-miracle-of-resistance/
A seasoned person lead by moral human principles….for what it seems….
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 11 2024 8:23 utc | 52
In reply to comment #16 by “bevin”
Quote:
…, solidifying the notion that “every Zionist accusation is a confession.”…
I would like to underline the “solidifying” of this notion by citing a verse from the Bible:
This is Jesus telling it to the Jews, in the book of John, chapter 8 verse 44, King James version:
“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
The “Zionist accusation” is them telling a lie, and when they tell such a lie they speak of themselves. The evil behavior which they live out is their lust, the lust of their father the devil. There is no rational behind it. It’s the purpose of their “public relation” to make their insanity appear as if somehow plausible.
Posted by: George | Apr 11 2024 9:56 utc | 53
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-10/us-sees-missile-strike-on-israel-by-iran-proxies-as-imminent?embedded-checkout=true
Feels like a false flag is in the making.
Also the missile scenario seems too elaborated and poses many feasibility issues, it is not to be excluded. US and IDF didn’t resell all “seized Iranians weapons” they have to the kokhols yet and after Crocus attack, it became obvious anyone can recruit a group of lads stupid enough to do terrorism anywhere.
Pretty sure the IRGC are already preparing some plausible deniability arguments, but will it be enough ?
With Genocide Joe promise of assistance on case of Iranian involvement ; it’s soooo tempting for a loosing IDF that they will at least try something this stupid.
Posted by: Savonarole | Apr 11 2024 11:14 utc | 54
librul
NPR was also deeply involved in Libya 2011. One of their anchors was putting on his Twitter account the pics of IDs of captured black guys and asking the crowd if the guy should live or die (by asking if what was written on some IDs in French made sense…)
Posted by: Minaa | Apr 11 2024 11:15 utc | 55
Can anyone explain to me why the same rationale used to justify the R2P action by NATO in Libya (UN Resolution 1973) was not applied to Gaza within the same timeframe (and at all!) ?
The case appears to be exactly the same in essence to me …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2024 3:48 utc | 46
I agree with your observation. However, “rules-based-order” says FUCK YOU.
Posted by: irish al | Apr 11 2024 11:23 utc | 56
Brett McGurk is a practising Muslim.
Just a warning to take anything said by or about the controller of Isis Brute McBurp with a Dead Sea dose of salt, or even a pillar of salt.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 11 2024 11:27 utc | 57
USA and Israel would use nuclear weapons against Iran, without hesitation.
The lesson Russia should learn.
Posted by: vargas | Apr 11 2024 7:04 utc | 51
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In his annual public address to the nation, in 2018 Putin solemnly affirmed, “It is my duty to state this: Any use of nuclear weapons against Russia or its allies, be it small-scale, medium-scale or any other scale, will be treated as a nuclear attack on our country. The response will be instant and with all the relevant consequences.”
What was left unsaid was who are Russia’s allies. That shoe dropped a year later, through a security summit in Jerusalem of Putin’s national security advisor Patrushev with Bolton and Netanyahu. The Western press had expected some sort of compromise offering, but instead Patrushev spelled out what the Israeli press headlined the next day. The Jerusalem Post: Russia Swears Iran Is Its Ally, After Trilateral Meeting With PM, Bolton
Now that it’s critical, has Putin reaffirmed this commitment to Khamenei and conveyed this to Biden? One can’t be sure given the immensity of the commitment and given halachic Jew Putin’s divided loyalties. If he has I am sure it will instill a more reasonable stance by fellow-halachic-Jew Biden.
Posted by: sarz | Apr 11 2024 11:41 utc | 58
George 54
Yes Jesus / ‘Eesa AS was dealing with recalcitrant Talmudists in his own time, and we are dealing with Revisionist Zionist Ukrainian JewishNot Nazis backed by Empire of lies USUKIS.
But nobody who should take the translations of the Gospels as Gospel unless they are a scholar of the Semitic languages of Aramaic in which the words oppose and kill are combined in a single word meaning fight, q-t-l.
Satan fought against Allah for creating Humans and giving them authority on earth, when he thought he was superior.
Without the original text, misinterpretations are rife.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 11 2024 11:42 utc | 59
46 – Because it was a fig leaf for regime change back then. The powers that be do not want regime change in Israel, at most they might get rid of Netanyahu, which might even be intended to strengthen Zionism, not remove it. Netanyahu himself is expendable.
Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 11 2024 11:55 utc | 61
sarz 59
What a pointless exercise to call President Putin a halachic Jew.
Halachic means adherence to Jewish law. Is genocide Jewish law ?
Can a student of Western politics justify Genocide by referring to something 15 millennia ago? Do any Jew buy that dog-whistle call by
the Ukrainian Khazarian Revisionist Zionist Nazi , son of a UKRZ Nazi, Nutjob ?
Putin has taken his morality from real Jews and his real Orthodox mother and applied it to Natoonal and International Law.
Why bother insinuating that Putin’s morality is compromised by his respect for Jews? Even if he wanted to destroy the heresies of the UKRZ Nazis in Tel Aviv, he has refrained from allowing his own feelings to override International Law.
The Ukrainian Khazarian Revisionist Nazis wants to obliterare freedom of speech and belief. Equally extreme are the extreme Right wing politics of USUKEU politicians.
Putin is above all things a tolerant man who is tolerant towards others and other points of view.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 11 2024 12:08 utc | 62
Brett McGurk is a practising Muslim.
Just a warning to take anything said by or about the controller of Isis Brute McBurp with a Dead Sea dose of salt, or even a pillar of salt.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 11 2024 11:27 utc | 58
I don’t believe anything he says, but it is interesting that he is saying it, sometimes. Lot’s of double talk going on. Gaza looks to be a Phyrric victory, whomever happens to “win”. Like most modern wars. As I mentioned before, Iran makes threats, and watches the Izzies quiver, and the USA apparently now too. I don’t think they (Iran) will do anything they are not already doing, why would they need to? Because the Izzies keep committing atrocities? But Iran certainly does not listen to me.
Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 11 2024 12:31 utc | 63
psychohistorian | Apr 11 2024 0:41 utc | 31
Yeah, gold bugs & speculators would just *love* to see this escalate to a major war…
As someone wittier than me once wrote, “ZH has correctly predicted 200 of the last 2 crises.” 😉
The US cannot attack Iran b/c Beijing doesn’t allow it. Yellen went there recently and was given the updated terms & conditions for continued Chinese funding of the US budget (for another few months).
Tel Aviv & Washington could only retaliate against “Iranian proxies” in Iraq/ Syria (i.e. strike some previously vacated bases). But the Damascus attack seems to call for Teheran responding itself.
Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 12:56 utc | 64
Waldorf | Apr 11 2024 11:55 utc | 62
Wouldn’t be so sure about that. Netanyahu has been around for 30 years, far longer than any other Israeli PM. If anyone can turn things around and engineer a (more or less stable) solution with the Arab countries, it is him. That’s, of course, anathema to US/UK Neocons & their allies/ tools in Israel itself.
Netanyahu may be ruthless – but he understands that Israel wouldn’t survive a war with Iran. So, I’m still not convinced that it was him who ordered the strike on the Damascus embassy, at least not voluntarily. His sudden operation on the previous day was *just a tad* odd. Yes, that’s speculative, and no, I don’t have proof.
Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 13:07 utc | 65
Halachic means adherence to Jewish law. Is genocide Jewish law ?
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Posted by: Giyane | Apr 11 2024 12:08 utc | 63
+++++
Anyone familiar with Jewish/Talmudic “law” could tell you that “Yes, Genocide is Jewish law”
that is after all what to frequent references to “Amalek” we hear so much of recently from Israeli/JudeoNazi politicians and Rabbis, is code for.
By labelling Palestinians as “Amalek” the JudeoNazis are essentially admitting their intention to commit genocide of Palestinians
Posted by: SamHyde | Apr 11 2024 13:08 utc | 66
“The US cannot attack Iran b/c Beijing doesn’t allow it. Yellen went there recently and was given the updated terms & conditions for continued Chinese funding of the US budget (for another few months).”
Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 12:56 utc | 65
You are misinformed.
China 6 years ago had $1.1 trillion dollars of US Treasuries; last March 2023 they has $869 billion in US Treasuries ; in March 2024 they had reduced their holdings to $797 billion of US Treasuries so they have been net sellers for the past 5 or 6 years.(1)
1.. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/china/holdings-of-us-treasury-securities/holdings-of-us-treasury-securities
Sam Hyde 67
Yes. So the Jews who have influence with Putin have clearly abandoned Talmudic , racist laws.
Amelek was a Nazi dog-whistle, which has exposed Sunak and Cameron as full on Nazis. Not sure I can live in a Nazi country any more.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 11 2024 13:40 utc | 68
Well done, Germany needs to be held to account over its unfailing support for the Zionists genocide. Nicaragua is a country regularly persecuted by the USA, a country whose government supports the and arms the Zionists.
“Nicaragua has shut down its embassy in Germany after taking the West European country to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) for facilitating Israel’s ongoing genocide against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
Nicaragua announced the closure of its diplomatic mission in Berlin on Wednesday, noting that the Central American state’s consular tasks and official businesses in Germany will now be handled by the embassy in Austria.
Managua recently announced the accreditation of its ambassador in Vienna, Sabra Amari Murillo Centeno, as a concurrent representative in Germany.
Earlier this week, hearings opened in the ICJ, with Nicaragua saying Germany is violating the 1948 Genocide Convention by providing Israel with military and financial aid, as well as suspending funding to the main UN humanitarian agency in Gaza, UNRWA.
Asking The Hague-based court to issue emergency orders, Nicaragua said Germany’s arms sales to the Tel Aviv regime make it complicit in the Gaza war crimes.
“There can be no question that Germany . . . was well aware, and is well aware, of at least the serious risk of genocide being committed,” Nicaraguan Ambassador to the Netherlands Carlos Jose Francisco Arguello Gomez said in his opening statement to the ICJ.
“Germany is failing to honor its own obligation to prevent genocide or to ensure respect of international humanitarian law.””
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 11 2024 13:46 utc | 69
smuks 66
Are you suggesting that Britain was scoring points against Russia by ordering the Damascus embassy hit?
The Empire2 British Tories are very weird. Sunak said that anybody who didn’t approve of the Nazi genocide of Gaza ‘ maybe shouldn’t be living here ‘
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 11 2024 13:47 utc | 70
Front page article on Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program in today’s Washington Post.
Posted by: Lysias | Apr 11 2024 13:56 utc | 71
Fado Asas fechadas Amália Rodrigues
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sNPAbjGmA5I
Closed wings
Tiredness or fall
Thrown stone or resting flight
Return me my smile
My gaze does not dare /
Closed wings
Show two ways
Both the same
Of the vertical sides to your smile
I sense only more suffering/
Closed wings
Those who rose drop
Searching the earth
Having faith in the heavens
From undecided smiles
Another dream was born/
Closed wings
Dream or despair
Final stop
Or endless rise
In those smiles I am waiting
For not knowing to cry/
Silence is wise
Of one who only knows to dream.
Posted by: Ornot | Apr 11 2024 14:18 utc | 72
pxx | Apr 11 2024 0:27 utc | 30
Thanks for clarifying, I had misunderstood your post.
Yes, the big US bases in the Gulf region are the elephant in the room. Or one of the elephants.
So far, nobody has dared attack them – only the smaller bases in Iraq and Syria.
As for Israel, I doubt it would benefit from a major war (as I wrote in #66).
Current conflict makes me wonder – are US/UK throwing Tel Aviv under the bus, as happened to so many of their “allies” before? Does Netanyahu understand this, and therefore try to limit escalation?
Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 14:35 utc | 73
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/04/09/israels-other-defeat/
Another pro-Palestinian take arguing that internal Israeli politics are reaching critical point; by Ramzy Baroud, old hand for many decades now…
‘How can you have a security minister in the British government who does not believe in international law?’
Former Conservative UK Foreign Office Minister Sir Alan Duncan criticised Tory party members for their support of Israel, particularly members linked to the Conservative Friends of Israel group and called for them to be removed from their position. ‘The Conservative Friends of Israel has been doing the bidding of Netanyahu, bypassing all proper processes of government to exercise undue influence at the top of government,’ he said, naming Lord Polak, Lord Pickles and Lord Tugendhat and others for their extreme pro-Israel positions.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240405-how-can-you-have-a-security-minister-in-the-british-government-who-does-not-believe-in-international-law/
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Apr 11 2024 14:57 utc | 75
Iran will retaliate indirectly: against the US and its interests. Israel can wait.
Posted by: ChrisB | Apr 11 2024 2:20 utc | 43
Iran hopefully knows these attacks are meant to solicit a retaliation that can be used by Netanyahu to widen the war to include Iran and drag the US into it. This is no different than the attacks that can before it, including assassinations esp of soleimani by Trump
There is no need to retaliate and give the Zionists what they obviously seek so badly – to drag the US back into the middle East, what originally took an attack on us soil, 9/11.
These attacks only increase Iran prestige and influence in the Middle East, and that of its allies in the Axis of Resistance.
What is more likely, however, is a false flag attack by the Zionists being blamed on the Resistance, like 9/11, Al Qaeda and ISIS were.
What we can do is keep calling out these actions and fear mongering and warmongering for what they are to our fellow citizens, and reduce the effectiveness of such warmongering propaganda and of n action against the Resistance.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Apr 11 2024 15:12 utc | 76
Are you suggesting that Britain was scoring points against Russia by ordering the Damascus embassy hit?
Giyane | Apr 11 2024 13:47 utc | 70
Not quite. I’m suggesting that US/UK (and Israeli) Neocons want an escalation of the conflict – Netanyahu doesn’t. It’s not directed “against Russia”, but rather against EUrope – and Israel itself. The country would be destroyed in a war against Iran, and Bibi understands that imo. That’s why all western media supported the mass protests of 2023 to oust him.
Just my interpretation, which may or may not be close to the “truth”.
(No need to remind me of all the bad things N. has said & done in his political career, I know it.)
canuck | Apr 11 2024 13:10 utc | 67
Sure, PBoC stopped accumulating Dollars/ UST in 2011. But it’s still rolling over expiring bonds, or most of them. (Also, the official figures don’t necessarily represent the full holdings, see 2016/17 Euroclear debate.)
So if one of us is “misinformed”, it ain’t me.
Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 15:34 utc | 77
Delhiliterally | Apr 11 2024 15:12 utc | 76
Sounds plausible enough to me – however Khamenei has clearly stated that “there will be retaliation”, and he’s not known for joking around.
The only question is whether it will be directly or via proxy.
Given the gravity of the embassy attack, I suspect the former – but what do I know.
Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 15:38 utc | 78
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/04/come-out-you-animals-how-the-massacre-at-al-shifa-hospital-happened/
I don’t think this second and final siege of Al-Shifa has received appropriate coverage in western media, probably because the murders of the seven aid workers that happened immediately afterwards. Estimated 1,500 massacred. The most loathsome atrocities.
Posted by: KMRIA | Apr 11 2024 15:48 utc | 79
Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 15:38 utc | 78
He says that after every attack. Including the ones without a individual response one can point to as a retaliation.
Which is probably the point.
But then, one could argue every contribution to the Axis of Resistance is an act of retaliation, no?
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Apr 11 2024 15:54 utc | 80
Sure, PBoC stopped accumulating Dollars/ UST in 2011. But it’s still rolling over expiring bonds, or most of them. (Also, the official figures don’t necessarily represent the full holdings, see 2016/17 Euroclear debate.)
So if one of us is “misinformed”, it ain’t me.
Posted by: smuks | Apr 11 2024 15:34 utc | 77
Treasury Secretary Yellen’s recent trip to Beijing is probably significant in this regard.
If it was about foreign policy or ME they would have sent a diplomat.
Any ideas for why the trip at in this time would be welcome.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Apr 11 2024 15:57 utc | 81
Not meant to offend or antagonise.
The loss of tens of thousands of civilian population, the widescale destruction of habitation and infrastructure, cannot be viewed as a victory.
The occupation and eventual virtual annexation of own territory cannot be viewed as a victory.
The population in Gaza will eventually be cared for just enough to re-educate to a new master. Over decades. The ability to resist this will be continuously diminished, the destruction of Hamas infrastructure will be enough to render it no more than a nuisance.
The Irish were once mentioned in a previous thread. Look at how EU eventually was accepted as “haven”. A form of Hegellian synthesis with a prepared answer . It is possible to blame the British for that also.
Iran watches on as it loses a territorial front, as it loses commanders, as its embassy is attacked.
Worse is that it watches on as the civilian population is massacred. Its condemnation is only slightly above the reality of others indirectly helping the atrocity take place, those who defend “Israel’s” right to defence, as inadvertantly by same logic they are also defending Palestinian right to self defence.
Words and sympathy from participants.
And yet, a large relatively innocent population of the world looks on in horror, populations too uncapable or fearful to act in a meaningful way, or cautious or uncertain.
“Israel” knows that inaction by Iran will be understood as abandonment. It does not fear conventional missile capability. If all missiles in existence in the region were emptied onto “Israel” it would lose a small part of its population and some infrastructure. The leaders would go unscathed.
What it does not like is troop capability on its border, the possibility of land invasion.
It does not like the possibility of a politically hostile population majority either.
It does not like the possibility of non-conventional annihilation.
Setting aside the initial take-over of territory, the backing involved. Setting aside deeper history and so on, look at how “Israel” has acted. For every attempt against it it has won ground, leaving an increasingly weakened enemy around it.
Within that setting, it is pushing Iran to react.
The last country to openly attack Israel
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_rocket_attacks_on_Israel
Iran is not Iraq, the US and others had more direct influence on Saddam. From my own knowledge, the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam was known many months in advance in the west, was logistically being prepared for. That is how much certainty of method exists.
Iran is closer to Russia. How does Russia act/react ? The most recent example is Ukraine. Iran has not reacted though, and so the more blatant attacks on it.
Iran, with the sympathy of large world population regarding Gaza, just has proxies fire off a few missiles at shipping ? Gives a weak and belated reply to an attack on its embassy ? Sets up some border skirmishes ?
The antagonism is blatant and open, a humiliation. To put Iran’s actions or inaction down to prudence and strategy is wise, but that is not going to save Gaza, one of its fronts with “Israel” or the west.
The alternative though is a direct reply, which would be an opportunity for “Israel” and any company. A potentially capable and militarily acting hostile nation would be projected as providing every excuse for action to change that country.
That would possibly be a major regional conflict, but depending on the reactions favouring Iran.
Hence by this logic conventional missile capability is no deterrent, it is an escalatory invitation.
The notion of a long strategic shift in worldwide population sentiments and allegiances is a different facet to the equation, but I leave it out here to concentrate on the more immediate realities.
I say all the above in light of trying to discern the intentions and evolution of the conflict, because that does concern all people.
At present the question is :
Are the US and “Israel” taunting and framing Iranian inaction also, i.e. by creating expectation that it will act meaningfully only for it not to.
Alternatively Iran is being restrained from acting directly and meaningfully by partners and neighbours, being reminded of the limitations it faces.
The above I wrote last night, today the following:
The latest is Iran providing pre-action explanation to the UN, criticising UN inaction. This does look like a formal position and front is being prepared before open retaliation, so unavoidable for various other nations not to take side.
….
All the above will probably be seen as an unfriendly and difficult take, but at the least I hope it encourages some thought.
Though it often seems unbelievable to have arrived at this point, the time to speak out is now, because there would not be much worth of opportunity to do so after any action begins.
I say this with cool temper and without panic or fear, and having watched the last several years without flinching. I am independent, I do not and have never worked for any national or political authority.
Seriously, this is a very dangerous moment and circumstance for us all.
I actually find myself hoping that this is all a large agreed choreographed maneuver involving all sides as a form of remapping of the world. Unwanted and miserable as that would be, it would pale in comparison to regional or global conflict. I don’t think so though, or at least open conflict is written in also.
Like b I think, I am often left stunned and swamped by what is occuring.
So I just post this and walk. Hopefully when I next feel up to connecting to the web the headlines won’t be about a wider war starting.
Peace.
Posted by: Ornot | Apr 11 2024 16:20 utc | 82
Re-application for admittance to the World Community
Why I, The State of Israel, believe I am a good candidate.
1) I torture UN workers
2) I bomb embassies
3) I invented the Samson Option and threaten to take the rest of you with me.
4) I commit rape with impunity against mine enemies
5) I kidnap thousands, including children, with no judicial oversight
6) I commit collective punishment
7) I steal land with impunity
8) I oppress occupied inhabitants and enjoy doing so
9) I murder with impunity
10) I commit Genocide
11) I will commit torture if I see fit and even if I don’t
12) I refuse to declare my official borders as I want more and more of other countries’ (plural) land
13) All criticism by any member of the World Community just reinforces by Victimhood
14) I look forward to war and prod my neighbors for more
15) I need money, send a check
16) I openly interfere in the affairs of other countries, seeking support for all of the above
17) I never tell a lie as I have no concept. I only know what serves me.
18) I commit false flags and if friends or even my own people are sacrificed so be it.
19) I implement the Hannibal Doctrine
20) Treachery and betrayal of my own people are a means to an end
Posted by: librul | Apr 11 2024 16:51 utc | 83
@81
Long-term treasury yields have exploded upwards ever since Yellen’s trip.
Correlation does not mean causation, however.
If I were Xi, I would liquidate treasuries and use the proceeds to loan to foreign countries I want to influence, in Africa and S. America, in exchange for hard natural resources. That’s an effective way to de-dollarize.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 11 2024 17:04 utc | 84
You post as you see fit, and pretend it is all ok and there will be a way out for you, the slaves of the system.You flatter yourselves that you will be able to get out of this ugliness.
No, there will be no way out of this abomination, we could all see burned babies etc etc, what you allowed to happen as you are mute, selfish cowards.
This is what you did.
And now, you will pay, all of you, be very carefull, you will never travel free in your part of the world.
I will harm you.
Posted by: stranger | Apr 11 2024 17:31 utc | 85
I will harm you.
Posted by: stranger | Apr 11 2024 17:31 utc | 85
It would be better if you picked up a gun and headed to Gaza.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2024 18:09 utc | 86
Posted by: stranger | Apr 11 2024 17:31 utc | 85
Meursault, back again so soon?
Posted by: KMRIA | Apr 11 2024 18:20 utc | 87
Posted by: librul | Apr 11 2024 16:51 utc | 83
Re-application for admittance to the World Community…
21. I perpetuate self-serving bronze age myths to use as justification for my 21C actions.
Posted by: Another thing | Apr 11 2024 18:28 utc | 88
The description of the Massacre at Al Shifa hospital is just breath taking….
– Mass summary executions of civil servants, police officers, social workers, tax collectors, garbage collectors, anyone affifiliated with local government services was killed.
– Doctors, and nurses murdered in summary fashion if they refused to evacuate the hospital and leave the patients.
– Apparently the IDF went room to room interviewing patients and executing those they had on some sort of kill list.
– The hospital was physically destroyed, all exterior walls were blown out, and all medical equipment destroyed.
– IDF bulldozers buried victims alive in the hospital compound.
– No medical was given to the wounded by the IDF.
– These are monumental war crimes which need to be addressed in the SA case at the Hague….
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Apr 11 2024 18:31 utc | 89
Iran is closer to Russia. How does Russia act/react ? The most recent example is Ukraine. Iran has not reacted though, and so the more blatant attacks on it.
Iran, with the sympathy of large world population regarding Gaza, just has proxies fire off a few missiles at shipping ? Gives a weak and belated reply to an attack on its embassy ? Sets up some border skirmishes ?
Posted by: Ornot | Apr 11 2024 16:20 utc | 82
The goal is not to respond to provocation by breaking cover and providing the Zionists the opportunity to use their advantage in firepower to annihilate you.
When the Vietcong had been in a hurry and came out of the jungle during Tet offensive they were dispatched in short order.
Iran has one small advantage: Russia will not allow it to be replaced by a Zionist client which would probably use it as a springboard for weakening Russia internally, esp Sunni clients of Israel like Saudi and UAE fomenting and supporting rebellion in the Caucasus like they did with the Taliban and in Iraq and Syria.
but that is the only advantage they have. Unfortunately for the Gazans, Iran’s govt is itself endangered. The key to the liberation of Palestine has been and will always be the liberation of the Sunni Arab Client states first.
Maybe soon Putin will reach the realization that seeking coexistence with the Zionists is a fools errand and will realize his best bet for survival is to actively defend and assist those countries closer to Israel beyond Iran, and defend Syrian and Lebanese airspace, along with beefing up Iranian air defenses
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Apr 11 2024 19:05 utc | 90
As for the Sunni Client States, I had my hopes raised with the Arab Spring, but witnessing its failure and the violence with which the regimes were willing to use against their own citizens, I am not so sure anymore.
As for the catalyst for that uprising, Twitter, it has been co-opted by their stooge Elon Musk with Saudi, UAE and
Qatari money, no doubt to stifle any such uprisings in the bud with merely a phone call. So much for free speech.
As for a demonstration of the power of social media, the current hysteria over tiktok shows that the fear wasn’t the deleterious effects on American youth, but the dissemination of anti-israel “propaganda ” which provided the urgency and the Zionists mobilized their political assets to force its sale to the safe and waiting hands of an investor group led by Mnuchin and other Zionist stalwarts…
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Apr 11 2024 19:39 utc | 91
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Posted by: Ornot | Apr 11 2024 16:20 utc | 82
(Will Iran retalliate for Jewrael’s strike in its embassy in Syria?).
Not if the Yankees compel Jewrael to observe a ceasefire in Gaza. That was the only alternative to an Iranian counterstrike on the Pissant Parasite Statelet.
When Iran get sick of waiting for the Yanks to tell their bosses in Tel Aviv to declare a Gaza ceasefire they MUST retalliate. The jews should be more careful about what they wish for.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 11 2024 19:50 utc | 93
Delhi literally 92
“the violence with which the regimes were willing to use against their own citizens”
When USUKIS sends proxies the violence is only directed at USUKIS and its proxies.
Anybody willing to sell themselves to the enemies of Islam in order genocide its Muslim citizens or vacate the land ready for oil and gas extraction deserves the violence they have drawn onto their own head by betraying their country.
The British could only control India through using locals who would sell out their own people. Is India still in denial of this betrayal?
Is India still jealous of those who became rich through becoming British proxy administrators?
The lessons of history have yet to be learned in India and Pakistan.
Russia has learned them and is teaching West Asia how to defeat the Viking menace. And China making peace between Sunni and Shi’a has unpicked 300 years of Viking divide and rule.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 11 2024 20:00 utc | 94
Exile 93
Thank you . I will silence my buzzer and flashing light alarms
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 11 2024 20:03 utc | 95
Iran has endangered itself by delaying retaliation, the short attention span media will spin any Iranian response as an attack rather than retaliation. The neocons perceive restraint as weakness. Iran should have responded in kind immediately by striking an Israeli embassy. The media would have to link the two events. Iran should be prepared to retaliate swiftly next time Israel attacks.
Posted by: Willow | Apr 11 2024 20:06 utc | 96
ZH has a Occupied Palestine propaganda posting up with the title
Israeli Media Says Iran Postponed Attack ‘At Last Minute’ Due To Threat Of US Intervention
Methinks Occupied Palestine is a bit nervous and should be. They keep digging down and they will become worse than diaspora again.
For me it all started with patriarchal hubris 2+K years ago that spawned the monotheistic religions and exceptionalism/hubris.
This is not looking to end well because the losers are continuing to push their social aggression on the rest of us and may see extinction as a viable alternative to being deserved persecuted diaspora.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2024 20:10 utc | 97
Willow 97
I haven’t listened to any media since Feb 2022.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 11 2024 20:11 utc | 98
The power of US army is still frightening.
They managed to stop Iranian revenge with one phone call.
Posted by: vargas | Apr 11 2024 20:17 utc | 99
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Posted by: Exile | Apr 10 2024 18:04 utc | 1
(Gaza video. Day #186).
The IOF incompetence is alarming. It raises serious questions about the quality and quantity of training they receive before they’re tricked into believing Bibi’s Chosen bullshit.
One could be forgiven for assuming that their ‘training’ consists of 20 hours on a SEGA game console fitted with a First Person Shooter type computer game. They don’t seem very physically fit either.
So neither tough nor competent.
When it comes to Soldiering, costumes definitely DO NOT maketh the man.
The people in charge of the IOF should be in court in chains charged with Criminal Negligence. And gloating.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 11 2024 20:24 utc | 100