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April 25, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-121
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Sydney 4.39am… another early start for me and still b is missing. Best to you man. Hope you’re ok. Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 29 2024 18:39 utc | 301 The blood clots that can result in strokes in people suffering from atrial fibrillation form in the left atrial appendage of the heart. The surgery that inserts a Watchman or Amulet in the heart has the result of sealing off the left atrial appendage, so that clots cannot form there. Posted by: Lysias | Apr 29 2024 18:40 utc | 302
Here we go again. As I scan the article (in the Guardian of course) I find no explanation offered until this enigmatic statement:
Ah, gotcha. Problem solved then. Even though the data, when examined, put the motives for violence on massive erosion of social life under the impact of neoliberalization, financialization and exploitation. But by all means protest against men, ban men, pathologise gender, etc. The same card played over and over again. Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 29 2024 19:02 utc | 303 I could add that the ‘fallacy of evidence’ is all over this article and the debate. Since men do the murdering, there’s no need for interpretation. The explanation is simply ‘men’. Men kill, men bad. Easy. Heaven forbid we interpret the data in a historical context. Fucktards. Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 29 2024 19:06 utc | 304 Doesn’t b run a @MoA X/Twitter account? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 29 2024 19:09 utc | 305 Then again I think it might be @MoonOfA . Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 29 2024 19:12 utc | 306 I’m enjoying the OT debate on apostrophes and grammar, over at Palestine thread. As an ESL speaker, I find English to be quite an amusing language in that, one can see words that have multiple meanings, and multiple meanings in multiple contexts. Then there are words that sound the same but have different meaning. Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 29 2024 19:25 utc | 307 Ah, gotcha. Problem solved then. Even though the data, when examined, put the motives for violence on massive erosion of social life under the impact of neoliberalization, financialization and exploitation. But by all means protest against men, ban men, pathologise gender, etc. The same card played over and over again. Posted by: simon crow | Apr 29 2024 19:26 utc | 308 “.. The developed West, it seems, may soon be entering 1920s Russia territory, moreover run by many of the same types…” Posted by: bevin | Apr 29 2024 19:44 utc | 309 Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 29 2024 19:25 utc | 307
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 29 2024 19:58 utc | 310 Doesn’t b run a @MoA X/Twitter account? Posted by: JB | Apr 29 2024 20:00 utc | 311 A while back, I solicited the bar for recommendations on the history of the disintegration of Yugoslavia. I got some good suggestions, including some lectures by Michael Parenti. Today, I happened to stumble upon a three-part, roughly six hour documentary made by a Serb, who is now a Canadian, (in fact the documentary is Canadian) called The Weight of Chains. I have only watched the first installment, but I think I can confidently recommend it to anyone interested. I had gotten married in the early 90s and for the rest of that decade was busy raising children with my wife, so this was a big blank spot in my historical memory. Sounds like it was and Shock Doctrine operation. I should have known. Posted by: KMRIA | Apr 29 2024 20:11 utc | 312 Sorry, I wanted to also express my concern for b and hope whatever is causing his absence is a temporary problem. Posted by: KMRIA | Apr 29 2024 20:15 utc | 313
Except the opinion comes from common sense not ideology. My firm impression, which I admit might be false, is that millions were murdered by a Jewish Bolshevik clique which seized power and acted in unforgivably savage ways against those who opposed them, many by virtue of being born into a certain class or religion. To me, the Bolsheviks were evil.
Posted by: Rae | Apr 29 2024 20:20 utc | 315 72 hours. No one leaves their baby for that long unless they can’t. I’m on hope now. Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 29 2024 20:26 utc | 316 b locked the comments when he knew he’d be out of action. Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 29 2024 20:52 utc | 317 Bernhard is tough. A tanker. He’s a very strong spirit. Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Apr 29 2024 20:52 utc | 318 scorpion@314 invents Tsarist reforms, which were not “slow.” Nonexistent is a better word, though glacial might be tolerable. Then scorpion invents mass murdering by Bolsheviks. People killed in combat between armed parties are not “murdered,” in any honest usage of the word. It is more common to use murder for retaliatory killings but ignoring the previous killings by Tsarists is tendentious, to put it politely. The violence of the Russian civil war was a continuation of the Tsar’s violent war and driven largely by fear of defeat and the desire to survive Tsarist madness. The democratic Provisional Government deliberately committed itself to continuing the imperialist war and equally deliberately abandoned their own professed programs and ideals for imperialist war. The Bolshevik party was not dominated by Jews and pretending they were is not moving past sterile meaningless verbal disputes between fascists and capitalists (who are not even separate categories of people) and Communists but perpetuating fascist ideology. No moral compass has lies as its cardinal directions. No one prating about materialist fallacies has any common sense, because it is the repudiation of magic, the supernatural and other such bigotries that is common sense, which means to say, based on reality. Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 29 2024 20:55 utc | 319 I sincerely hope b is OK, I’m also pretty worried. Needless to say, if anyone received any news through other channels, please put it up here.
scorpion, that history is simply false. If it were true, your feelings towards Bolshevism would be justified. However, the history taught in the West about the Bolshevik revolution, the USSR, and especially Stalin is fabricated, exaggerated, and decontextualized beyond belief. This falsified history is based primarily (though not exclusively) on three sources: Trotsky, Kruschev’s “secret speech” to the 20th party congress, and Nazi propaganda. This falsified history is taught in the West because our ruling class absolutely needs to uphold the myth that There Is No Alternative. Posted by: Palm & Needle | Apr 29 2024 21:09 utc | 320 Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 29 2024 20:55 utc | 319 steven t johnson | Apr 29 2024 20:55 utc | 319 Posted by: bevin | Apr 29 2024 21:17 utc | 322 Palm & Needle | Apr 29 2024 21:09 utc | 320 Posted by: bevin | Apr 29 2024 21:20 utc | 323 The Bolshevik party was not dominated by Jews Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 29 2024 21:20 utc | 324
Thanks a lot for providing the link to Domenico Losurdo’s Book Posted by: Framarz | Apr 29 2024 21:28 utc | 325 But I forget, you are preaching to the gallery, which at MoA is pretty far right. Posted by: KMRIA | Apr 29 2024 21:41 utc | 327 Posted by: Palm & Needle | Apr 29 2024 21:09 utc | 320 Roger | Apr 27 2024 23:00 utc | 143 Posted by: smuks | Apr 29 2024 22:08 utc | 329 I’ve learned that “it” does not have a possessive form so it is “its,” not “it’s.” I’ve learned what it means when “it’s raining cats and dogs.” I’ve learned the meaning of “pleonexia” (thanks Karl). Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 29 2024 22:17 utc | 330 canuck | Apr 28 2024 16:00 utc | 202 Posted by: smuks | Apr 29 2024 22:21 utc | 331 Roger | Apr 29 2024 2:05 utc | 241 Posted by: smuks | Apr 29 2024 23:04 utc | 332 @Cynic | Apr 29 2024 22:26 utc | 665 (Ukraine thread)
Cynic@665 Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 29 2024 23:15 utc | 333 My dictionary has no entry for pleonexia, but it’s quite close to a favorite of mine, the pleonasm, an unnecessary redundancy. Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 29 2024 23:20 utc | 334 @the pessimist | Apr 29 2024 23:15 utc | 333 Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 29 2024 23:23 utc | 335 Melaleuca | Apr 29 2024 20:52 utc | 317 Posted by: smuks | Apr 29 2024 23:31 utc | 336 Sworn enemy of the oxymoron working for military intelligence, the pleonasm squats in place just to take up space. Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 29 2024 23:44 utc | 337
Not true. Recommend the well sourced ‘Black Book of Communism’. Their section on the Red Terror period filled with anecdotes from the period, sourced. One of which, still available online, is ‘The Red Terror in Russia 1919-1923’ published in 1924, by S.P. Melgunov. From the files of the Central Committee: :
This chapter lists dozens of accounts of massacres, forced starvation, forced labour etc. A ghastly regime, truly ghastly. It can be, although i have no personal experience with this, that after some “medical procedures” one must take various drugs to heal which can then make one groggy or foggy. And there is always a need for much sleep to give the body time to heal.
Posted by: suzan | Apr 30 2024 0:27 utc | 339 @ suzan | Apr 30 2024 0:27 utc | 339 asking for “good” discussions while b is convalescing….thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 30 2024 1:09 utc | 340 Posted by: persiflo | Apr 29 2024 13:41 utc | 279 Posted by: juliania | Apr 30 2024 1:18 utc | 341 Here is the chant in its simplest form which is sung this evening. And here is the translation of the hymn, or Bridegroom troparion with a very simple little church in the video I’ve found, very like my own small church: Posted by: juliania | Apr 30 2024 1:44 utc | 342 @the pessimist | Apr 29 2024 23:15 utc | 333 & 335 Posted by: robjira | Apr 30 2024 1:44 utc | 343 Tucker Carlson releases a relatively brief chat with Alexander Dugin in Moscow. Why is the West seemingly destroying itself? Posted by: scorpion | Apr 29 2024 16:24 utc | 296 Posted by: Walt | Apr 30 2024 2:08 utc | 345 I have found it! My apologies — the first chant I gave you is the early hymn for the evening service, very beautiful but not the lyrics I posted. But here it is, exactly as we practised it in eight part harmony – I will give the lyrics again in English below the link, which is to the St. Petersburg chorale and was composed by Chesnokov: Posted by: juliania | Apr 30 2024 2:17 utc | 346 robjira@343 Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 30 2024 2:22 utc | 347 Still no word from/about our host. Hard to believe no one that posts here has any direct contact. Hoping he is safe and well. Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 30 2024 2:25 utc | 348 Below is the title to a ZH posting that continues to set the stage for blaming China consumers for the rise in gold prices
I just checked and gold price is up almost 13 percent YTD so China consumers being the driver is hogwash….in spite of the tonnes to price increase comparison which some may think is stretching facts a bit….grin Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 30 2024 2:37 utc | 349 @juliania. Thanks for that clip. Am downloading some of Chesnokov’s work on youtube. It seems he came from a beautiful world that was hated by the progressives who banned sacred music and starved him to death. To this day most modern states find sacredness anathema, and thus also that which is deepest and finest in human nature. Dark times….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebNTguk0Vmk Sakineh Bagoom@334……Mammonexia, if it ain’t a word, it is now. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 30 2024 2:56 utc | 351 smuks@332…..gold backed? Like real money….back in the fifties, the good old days with double digit interest earned where money on deposit could double in a matter of months…..dust in the wind these days. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 30 2024 3:16 utc | 352 Posted by: scorpion | Apr 30 2024 2:45 utc | 350 Posted by: juliania | Apr 30 2024 3:31 utc | 353 Sakineh Bagoom@334……Mammonexia, if it ain’t a word, it is now. Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 30 2024 3:31 utc | 354 @327 Definitely not far right. Posted by: Ornot | Apr 30 2024 3:39 utc | 355 @ Mammonexia, if it ain’t a word, it is now. Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 30 2024 4:08 utc | 356 @ KMRIA | Apr 29 2024 21:41 utc | 327 Posted by: james | Apr 30 2024 4:13 utc | 357 Re Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 29 2024 19:25 utc | 307 Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 30 2024 4:14 utc | 358 @ juliania | Apr 30 2024 2:17 utc | 346 Posted by: james | Apr 30 2024 4:20 utc | 359 @Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 29 2024 21:20 utc | 324 @Posted by: smuks | Apr 29 2024 23:04 utc | 332 @ Roger | Apr 30 2024 4:54 utc | 361 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 30 2024 5:06 utc | 362 scorpion | Apr 30 2024 0:10 utc | 338 Posted by: bevin | Apr 30 2024 5:11 utc | 363 @Posted by: smuks | Apr 29 2024 22:08 utc | 329 Oh f*ck this. That scorpion creature who I usually block on the ground of psuedo-intellectualism as well as a tendency to make sweeping statements combined with little or no sources is persisting in dubbing USSR’s bolsheviks as ‘jewish bolsheviks’ (I was stuck somewhere this afternoon and only had my phone which I haven’t yet installed a MoA script on) so I would like to see him provide credible and therefore checkable sources for that incorrect generalisation. Not quotes from politically motivated contemporary opponents such as he has attempted to use to claim that the October revolution was unnecessarily bloody but contemporary sources who can be taken to be objective because they had no axe to grind when they spoke/wrote. Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 30 2024 5:37 utc | 365 @Roger | Apr 30 2024 4:54 utc | 361
Yes, and political decisions hide behind ‘science’ in the same way. Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 30 2024 6:12 utc | 366 https://twitter.com/MoonofA Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 30 2024 6:32 utc | 367 I really worry about b and the future of MoA. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 30 2024 6:47 utc | 368 This popped up today, The 30 April. If it’s neither off-topic, irrelevant or in poor taste (even for an open thread), the discussion of the fate of B and MoA has me thinking of a dream I had at least a week ago where, in that dream’s universe, MoA had a thread that started before 9/11 and continued to the present day. Posted by: joey_n | Apr 30 2024 8:06 utc | 370 Iran Observer Posted by: Menz | Apr 30 2024 8:21 utc | 371 Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 29 2024 20:55 utc | 319 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 30 2024 8:36 utc | 372 Iran Observer Posted by: Menz | Apr 30 2024 8:48 utc | 373 Greg Price Posted by: Menz | Apr 30 2024 8:48 utc | 374 @ Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 30 2024 8:36 utc | 372 Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 30 2024 9:58 utc | 375 _____ _____ Posted by: Rhymerez | Apr 30 2024 11:29 utc | 376 “FireChat was a tool for revolution. Then it disappeared.” Posted by: trinity | Apr 30 2024 11:36 utc | 377 Aw it didn’t format it right. Posted by: Rhymerez | Apr 30 2024 11:37 utc | 378 “About the lying ideological Extreme FASCIST Propaganda of scorpion@314 … this time only lying about “evil jewish bolsheviks” during the Revolution A couple of remarks from me. “This chapter lists dozens of accounts of massacres, forced starvation, forced labour etc. A ghastly regime, truly ghastly. “..Marxists can’t make their points using historical facts. Instead they use personal invective and Karen like ‘wiling (sic) and moaning’ to assail posters…” Posted by: bevin | Apr 30 2024 12:51 utc | 383 @roger and bevin: I would not endorse banishing Scorpion from MoA. He thinks outside the box. If he thinks too far outside the box from time to time it shouldn’t be a crime. If a comment doesn’t please you there’s always the “skip to next comment” option. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 30 2024 13:07 utc | 385 ..Marxists can’t make their points using historical facts. Instead they use personal invective and Karen like ‘wailing and moaning’ to assail posters… @bevin So the fascists of the Anglo European Holy Roman variety with their blood dripping sheep skin Shapeshifting natzionazi disguise are in their deep Bunker, pretending to be a virtual green screened, Garden – as the Red Armies arrive at their doorstep, again. Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 30 2024 13:12 utc | 388 “I will point out that the historical fact is that the peasants did not own land under the Tsars and lose it in the revolution.” art lifted from b’s x page Posted by: ld | Apr 30 2024 13:28 utc | 390 The tales of ”Bolshevik murder” are precisely the same as stories about the Russian murder in Bucha. That is to say they are fabrications by groups with an extreme interest in discrediting their enemies. Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 30 2024 13:40 utc | 391 “In Ukraine, peasants who previously had been allowed to own 2-4 animals were no longer allowed any. They relied on them for sustenance. According to some historians, Russian peasants had a higher standard of living than any others in Europe at the time. Life was hard then, which is why the communist revolution was initially appealing. Pity it turned out that the mainly Jewish intellectuals leading it were mendacious psychopaths worse than most Tzars. @ persiflo | Apr 30 2024 12:13 utc Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Apr 30 2024 13:52 utc | 393 Posted by: scorpion | Apr 30 2024 13:10 utc | 387 Posted by: juliania | Apr 30 2024 13:54 utc | 394 “The tales of ”Bolshevik murder” are precisely the same as stories about the Russian murder in Bucha. That is to say they are fabrications by groups with an extreme interest in discrediting their enemies…” Posted by: canuck | Apr 30 2024 13:13 utc | 389 persiflo | Apr 30 2024 12:13 utc | 381 Posted by: Clueless Joe | Apr 30 2024 14:32 utc | 397 A shameless Canadian archly asks who murdered the Romanov family? The Bolsheviks of course…Good for them! Dead kings are blood that waters the tree of liberty. Monarchs and their stooges say their blood is better than mine. I say no. But when their tyranny topples their depraved lies must be refuted by pouring out this allegedly superior blood so that all can see the lie. No monarch who claims to have abandoned their libel on the rest of humanity can be trusted to deny their right to lord it over the rest of us if the balance of forces shifts in their favor (as in, White armies approaching.) But apparently a Canadian reveres foreign monarchs as much as they revere Charles III. Just as Edmund Burke valued the king of France above any other form of human, so too does the Canadian. But the servile are eager to be indignant on the behalf of their masters. Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 30 2024 14:56 utc | 398 Holocaust survivor demonstrating against the Israeli government: So you accept that the Central Bank can actually cancel the government debt… Posted by: smuks | Apr 30 2024 15:39 utc | 400 |
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