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April 5, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-098
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“Death of empires: History tells us what will follow the collapse of US hegemony — RT Business News” Posted by: David G Horsman | Apr 5 2024 13:24 utc | 1 This period feels more and more like the “interregnum” that Gramsci described where the Old is dying but the New cannot yet be born. The Old is the 500-year European Empire that was extended through its US settler colony when the European nations committed fratricide over a 30-year period. It is now dying but has much ability to harm the New and delay its birth, while creating a fascistic reality at home. Gramsci understood this process, having been the head of the Italian Communist Party as Mussolini came to power; and then of course jailed until his death by Mussolini’s legal henchmen. “…The New is China, and to a lesser extent Russia, Iran and others. Without them the New cannot be born, as the citizenry of the Old are so well enslaved and enraptured by it, and that is why the Old strives so hard to crush and to limit the New…” Posted by: juliania | Apr 5 2024 13:42 utc | 3 De-basing the currency is the hallmark of all failing empires. Posted by: Exile | Apr 5 2024 13:42 utc | 4 “Arrighi dates the origin of this cyclical process to the Italian city-states of the 14th century, an era that he calls the birth of the modern world.” My ex-wife has worked at the DPA for more than 15 years and she is still active in Brussels. Sometimes we talk on the phone and I get some background information, no details, just the atmosphere in the halls of the EU parliament and Berlaymont. Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Apr 5 2024 13:50 utc | 7 Testing link to GMF report: Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Apr 5 2024 13:52 utc | 8 “Death of empires: History tells us what will follow the collapse of US hegemony — RT Business News” Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Apr 5 2024 13:55 utc | 9 Posted by: canuck | Apr 5 2024 13:44 utc | 5 Posted by: David G Horsman | Apr 5 2024 14:06 utc | 10 On a personal note, the local branch of my credit union frogmarched me through the process of using an automatic teller inside the bank. I was confused and let the kind person walk me through it. I have always done my very simple transactions via a person in the past – okay, so far he was that, in putting my details into a machine. So, that felt okay, but what then occurred with the machine itself cogitating and dispensing into a pit my cash was the first time for me to have to reach down into that machinery to retrieve it. Posted by: juliania | Apr 5 2024 14:07 utc | 11 Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Apr 5 2024 13:55 utc | 9 Thanks, will do. Posted by: David G Horsman | Apr 5 2024 14:09 utc | 12 @ David G Horsman | 1 Posted by: JessDTruth | Apr 5 2024 14:28 utc | 13 “You know after posting that comment I gave quite a bit of thought to whom I posed the question to. Why had I directed it to the finance people instead of the historians? Conversely, do historians have the requisite business skills? Reuters has a posting up about Yellen’s trip to China and the title is Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 5 2024 14:54 utc | 15 “As the meme goes, “Cool story, bro.” Anyone is free to prove me wrong, of course.” Mexico vs the Empire (the good guys are winning) Posted by: migueljose | Apr 5 2024 15:03 utc | 17 “What right does Yellen have to preach anything to China? I have saved a 6 page story from somewhere about Yellen’s trip last year dated April 25, 2023 and we will see what the comparisons are as the circus show unfolds.” MK Bhadrakumar has a new column today which touches on the Yellen trip and Sino American economic matters, Posted by: bevin | Apr 5 2024 15:16 utc | 19
One just has to laugh at any panic in Brussels or the White House or similar, they would have all disappeared one way or the other years ago if they had any real clue about anything 🙂 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 5 2024 15:23 utc | 21 Posted by: migueljose | Apr 5 2024 15:03 utc | 17
Looks like bankster BS to me. Revenge for 1492 expulsion? It’s not a surprise that both Japan and Germany are being de-industrialized. Both are WW2 foes of America and remain occupied by the American military today. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 5 2024 15:56 utc | 25 “”…how did all that gold make its way to Asia..” Posted by: bevin | Apr 5 2024 15:59 utc | 26 CBC News the National’s The Moment was when an octopus squeezed a BC woman’s leg Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Apr 5 2024 16:00 utc | 27
¿What es el big plan de la Jewish “Mexican” to queer los pandilleros y otros hombres de Mexico? She must know that that won’t go over well, not even if Senator Chuck (D-Israel) starts bellowing from the far shore of el Río Bravo del Norte. Assuming that the feminist wins the election, why believe that the yenta will outlive her term of sex years? Mexican men aren’t as effete as “conservative” clowns up north. Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 5 2024 16:18 utc | 28 But financialization is more than usury; it involves making money more than just through a simple creditor-debtor dyad. Posted by: Honzo | Apr 5 2024 16:36 utc | 29 Posted by: scorpion | Apr 5 2024 15:36 utc | 24 @multipolar panda 7 Posted by: Sam | Apr 5 2024 17:04 utc | 31 Everyone (who’s curious about it) likely beat me to it. But — from the X account of UK ambassador to Poland, Anna Clunes: Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Apr 5 2024 17:15 utc | 32 @canuck | Apr 5 2024 13:44 utc | 5
Among all the batshit insane theories floating around here this one really stands out. Posted by: SG | Apr 5 2024 17:58 utc | 33 @Multipolar Panda #8, excerpt from the linked GMF report:
Amazing example of delusion. The U.S. is blackmailing its European vassals, demanding that they break their promises to their Chinese customers, Xi points out the obvious—that such actions would lead to “division and confrontation”—yet it’s Xi making a “veiled threat,” not the U.S. destroying a business relationship between Europe and China that has been working great so far. Posted by: S | Apr 5 2024 18:10 utc | 34 @canuck: I cannot persuade – too ignorant – but a good question still remains perhaps you can answer: where did all that gold end up and via which parties? Spain dug up a huge amount of it from the Americas, no? Where did it end up? My speculation based on your interesting reportage is that it ended up in bankster coffers and if so probably wended its way to China to purchase Asian goods for subsequent resale back in Europe.
This resonates nicely with a Dugin piece on one-world-government freemasonry-derived Western liberal thrust wherein at the end he offers us, the normal people, as the natural awakening resistance to this ghastly, hegemonic development in Europe the past few centuries: Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 5 2024 16:18 utc | 28 Oops: Posted by: David G Horsman | Apr 5 2024 13:24 utc | 1 Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 5 2024 19:17 utc | 38 Posted by: canuck | Apr 5 2024 13:44 utc | 5 Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 5 2024 19:26 utc | 39 Sounds almost like a joke Posted by: Minaa | Apr 5 2024 19:27 utc | 40 Posted by: canuck | Apr 5 2024 14:54 utc | 14 Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 5 2024 20:16 utc | 41 Another compelling interview by Garland Nixon Posted by: Browser | Apr 5 2024 20:52 utc | 43 Canuck @ 5: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 5 2024 21:24 utc | 44 “Japan was not destroyed by financialization, but by the (criminal) Plaza Accord.” It has made me have second thoughts about the entire banking process. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Apr 5 2024 22:49 utc | 46 Posted by: migueljose | Apr 5 2024 15:03 utc | 17 Posted by: UWDude | Apr 5 2024 23:53 utc | 47 Going through my substack inbox, which is now too much for me to keep up with, I found this little gem from N.S.Lyons from a few weeks ago. About the US Constitution.
Here what is being critiqued is mental materialism in the form of excessive conceptual formulation. As the Enlightenment progressed, of which the creation of the American Nation and the related French Revolutions were prominent thrusts, the ability of societies to share collective perspectives diminished steadily beyond the ability of ever more amendments to stitch together. Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 5 2024 19:17 utc | 38 Posted by: General Factotum | Apr 6 2024 0:37 utc | 49 Escobar recommends this and this is the place to discuss it. Posted by: bevin | Apr 6 2024 1:21 utc | 50 Posted by: bevin | Apr 6 2024 1:21 utc | 50 Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 6 2024 2:21 utc | 51
For thousand years Constantinople was a “center of Universe”. It was conquered in 1204, struggled to survive for couple more centuries and finally lost its shine in 1453.All those bright minds had to seek refuge somewhere. Posted by: 2+2=5 | Apr 6 2024 2:24 utc | 52 As an aside to #51 above, Jason Moore also makes a great observation: the depopulation of South America in the 16th century (75-80% of the indigenous pop. died as a consequence over the course of the Conquista 1492-c.1600) led to a massive regrowth and expansion of the Amazon rain forest. This in turn led to the absorption of huge amounts of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere triggering a mini Ice age in Europe at the beginning of the 17th century which overlapped, coincided with and exacerbated the Thirty Years War, in turn reshaping European geopolitics for three centuries. Be careful what bugs you kill… Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 6 2024 2:27 utc | 53 The mamsa musa led to Renaissance tale makes no sense. Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 2:37 utc | 54 Posted by: 2+2=5 | Apr 6 2024 2:24 utc | 52 Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 6 2024 2:38 utc | 55 @Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 6 2024 2:38 utc | 55
“a home grown humanism” of money grab banking houses? Posted by: 2+2=5 | Apr 6 2024 2:44 utc | 56
I don’t pretend to understand these things well, but recall during the 2008-9 financial crisis that the over-the-counter Credit Default Swaps totalled 1.5 quadrillion. This is an additional level of derivative financialization leveraged on top of the 400 or so trillion ‘real wealth’ including shadow banking you referenced. Now that was back in 2008, no doubt that amount is much higher now. PCR may have got it all wrong, but he has predicted all along that Putin’s reticence to go hard-line on the West will encourage them to assume he doesn’t really have any red lines. It’s a good point and thus far events seem to bear him out. Time, of course, will tell, but the nuclear tock is ticking…
The previous thread had a lot of posts related to religion but I missed the opportunity to ask something I am struggling to understand for a long time. Posted by: 2+2=5 | Apr 6 2024 4:08 utc | 59 @Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 4:06 utc | 58
I do not find PCR interesting enough to read his texts and I didn’t bother to read more from what you have posted. Posted by: 2+2=5 | Apr 6 2024 4:34 utc | 60 One thing I’ve noticed is that Americans now lack a sense of humor. I’ve been around since the Vietnam era and one thing we did was criticize through humor. Now, everything is a micro aggression and no one can say what they really feel. Yeah, I know shit is hitting the fan, as usual, but we always soldiered on. Now, not so much. Posted by: Immaculate deception | Apr 6 2024 5:13 utc | 61 2. If “Putin does not have red lines“ how he ended up in Ukraine? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 6:25 utc | 62 Reuters is the only source I can find for news on the 6-day Yellen trip to China and their posting title is
Yep, Yellen is trying to tell China how to run their economy to maximize empire profits Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 6 2024 6:31 utc | 63 Mexico suspends diplomatic relations with Ecuador, after Quito police literally invade Mexico’s embassy to arrest a refugee. I’ve never heard of such a thing before, but I’m not the sharpest dart in the dartboard. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 6 2024 7:20 utc | 64 Patroklos | Apr 6 2024 2:21 utc | 51 / 53 Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 6 2024 8:19 utc | 65 “Christianity” Posted by: Simon | Apr 6 2024 8:36 utc | 66 @ David G Horsman | 1 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 6 2024 8:46 utc | 67 So-called Christianity (1033-) is simply the fusion of Roman imperial ideology and bloody Aramaic fantasies. Posted by: Simon | Apr 6 2024 8:53 utc | 68 The religion of the Romans was very simple: we are the ones chosen by the gods to dominate the world. Posted by: Simon | Apr 6 2024 9:38 utc | 69 Interesting aggregate of healthcare worker shortage stories worldwide. Posted by: UWDude | Apr 6 2024 9:42 utc | 70 The Russian ruling class suffers from the same blindness that Kaiser Wilhelm II suffered from, unable to assume that he for a hard core within the London ruling class was not part of the people of the overlords, but of the people who must be dominated. Posted by: Simon | Apr 6 2024 9:57 utc | 71 Posted by: canuck | Apr 5 2024 13:44 utc | 5 “One thing I like about the Russians and Putin, in particular, is that they don’t bluff or BS a lot. “Yep, Yellen is trying to tell China how to run their economy to maximize empire profits..” Posted by: 2+2=5 | Apr 6 2024 4:08 utc | 592. Posted by: heavymetal101 | Apr 6 2024 11:18 utc | 75
Re Question 1: Just as Putin was forced into his “limited military operation” by the insulting cold shoulder Washington gave his plea for a mutual security pact, Russia will be forced into wider war with NATO by Washington’s defiance of Putin’s warning that Russia will not allow NATO membership for Ukraine. There’s your two tangoing. Posted by: 2+2=5 | Apr 6 2024 2:24 utc | 52 @canuck | Apr 5 2024 22:00 utc | 45
Financialization according to Wikipedia:
Financialization according to the Handbook of Economic Stagnation:
One of the results of financialization is the weakening of the manufacturing and other low yield, investment intensive economic enterprises. That was not the situation of Japan in the early ’80s, when it was the manufacturing power house of the world, with high productivity and a high investment ratio in the secondary sector.
Sigh! I think that Mansa Musa is a better explanation for the little Ice Age than carbon dioxide. According to the climate scammers, the concentration of CO2 almost doubled since antiquity (+100%), while during the little Ice Age there was a blip of minus one or two percents.
Obvious.
In a sense yes, but Christians were historically OK with that. After all they never tried to hide that their God is the same God of the Old Testament. Some Christian heresies disagreed, at least partly, with that.
That is very gullible of you. What makes you think that “Judaism” is actually a more ancient word than “Christianity”? What makes you think that back then they needed a word to describe their religions? Read the Acts of the Apostles and find an answer to you question.
She was probably of Greek origin. Her name was pagan: Helen. Faithful hebrews would have never used a pagan name.
That would be like saying that Arabia was converted to Christianity under the name of Islam. The philosophical basis and the religious organization are profoundly different. For Christianity, at most, you can say that it is a fusion between neo-platonic philosophy, old (Mosaic) Judaism (which was no more practiced by Hebrews at the time of Jesus), Roman culture and Hellenistic ideals. Posted by: SG | Apr 6 2024 11:30 utc | 78 “I find Jesus had more connection towards the Buddhism (Sanskrit) religious teachings…” The director of the recent Climate The Movie documentary did another one earlier called ‘The Great Global Warming Swindle’ Posted by: @2+2=5 | Apr 6 2024 4:08 utc | 59
Emperor Ashoka sent various missionaries to the Middle East around 250 BC. There was no doubt great back and forth between the Levant, Persia and Western India. Egypt was no longer a vital center of spiritual learning, but if Jesus did wander and learn, most likely he spent time not only there (if at all) but also with Mahayana masters within his own region and as far afield as India. A century earlier, many of Alexander the Great’s army basically gave up fighting and settled down in areas of Persia and India. They helped revolutionize Buddhist Sculpture creating the school known as Gandharvan which to this day are the most exquisite Buddha statues made, with the possible exception of later Japanese ones which clearly modelled that style. Battle of the Atlantic — Pacific ?? Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Apr 6 2024 12:26 utc | 82 The formal Western Christianity set up by Constantine may well be a political ploy to coopt a growing spiritual movement to benefit Empire. Certainly the Old and New Testaments are very different, Jesus’s God the Father feeling very different from the vicious tribal war god Yahweh. Quite possibly their being combined into one Bible was an attempt by the Phariseean Old Guard to take control back from the Levantine Mahayanist-Christians and now here we are are with karlof1 lamenting the West’s predilection for supremacist-obsessed pleonexia. From time to time for the sake of balance I like to recommend Joseph Atwill’s “Caesars Messiah”, a scholarly work that shows Jesus was a Roman Court construct, a fiction created Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Apr 6 2024 13:16 utc | 85
ZH article about WWIII already underway: https://tinyurl.com/24a23no6 As I’m frying up the last potatoes from last year’s crop, and I don’t have a root cellar, I thought Id share a storage tip, first time try for me. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 13:49 utc | 88 SwissArmyMan@85….just more of the same tripe from the same people, Jesus was fake Roman propaganda….. divide and conquer, nothing to see here move along…. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 13:58 utc | 89 I see the Alabama moon as a group of “Christians” (ca. 40-250) Posted by: Simon | Apr 6 2024 14:02 utc | 90 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 13:58 utc | 89 Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Apr 6 2024 14:06 utc | 91 I see the Alabama moon as a group of “Christians” (ca. 40-250) Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 12:30 utc | 83 Posted by: David G Horsman | Apr 6 2024 14:28 utc | 93 Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Apr 6 2024 13:16 utc | 85 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 14:33 utc | 94 @ SG | 33 Posted by: JessDTruth | Apr 6 2024 14:39 utc | 95 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2024 13:49 utc | 88 Posted by: juliania | Apr 6 2024 14:44 utc | 96 It should be noted that the mother of Tiberius Gracchus was Cornelia, daughter of none other than (drum roll) Scipio Africanus. Posted by: Simon | Apr 6 2024 14:48 utc | 97 I wanted to comment a little on the CFA Franc, the colonial currency that France introduced to its African colonies decades ago. My favorite current African leader, Ibrahim Traore, has announced (“We will break every tie that has kept us in slavery.”) Burkina Faso is participating in creating a currency and rejecting the CFA Franc to finally be free of colonial slavery (money tends to be used as a control on people more than violence). Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2024 14:53 utc | 98 The truth Posted by: Simon | Apr 6 2024 14:53 utc | 99 @Posted by: scorpion | Apr 6 2024 12:18 utc | 81 Posted by: 2+2=5 | Apr 6 2024 14:53 utc | 100 |
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