Israel Quietly 'Retaliates' For Iran's Retaliation Attack
Last night Israel attempted a minor attack on Iran to 'retaliate' for the Iranian penetration of its security screen.
The current exchange happened after Israel, in clear violation of international law, bombed the Iranian consulate in Damascus.
The aim and success of last night's attack is yet unknown:
Israel carried out retaliatory strikes against Iran early Friday morning local time, reportedly targeting locations in the west of the country. Explosions were heard in the city of Isfahan, prompting commercial flights to divert from their routes.Senior US officials speaking to ABC, CBS and NPR confirmed the strikes.
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Iran's semi-official Fars news agency reported at around 5:30 a.m. local time (10:00 p.m. EST Thursday) that explosions were heard in Qahjaverestan, northeast of Isfahan.A senior Iranian military official in Isfahan told the Islamic Republic News Agency that the explosions were caused by Iran's air defenses that fired at a suspicious object east of Isfahan. Isfahan's international airport is located just northeast of Qahjaverestan.
Two discarded first stages of Israeli ROCKS aero-ballistic missiles have been found in Iraq. ROCKS, a derivative of Sparrows ballistic target rocket, are air-launched, stand-off, air-to-ground missiles.
They may have hit something near Isfahan or they may have been taken down by Iranian air defense.
No Iranian or Israeli officials have commented the attack. The IAEA said that no Iranian nuclear facility has been hit.
As both sides are currently silent, and as there are no signs of further escalation, the strike will likely conclude the current exchange.
As a consequence of its strike in Damascus Israel has lost its escalation dominance. Iran managed to penetrate its external security screen just like Hamas had penetrated Israel's internal security screen on October 7 2023 when it broke out of Gaza to collect hostages.
Those who moved to Israel because they thought that it could provide them with security should reevaluate their decision.
Posted by b on April 19, 2024 at 14:04 UTC | Permalink
next page »I hope that is the end of it, but wouldn't bet on it.... Can't count on Iran to always turn the other cheek...
Posted by: ctiger | Apr 19 2024 14:08 utc | 2
Israel is a pluralistic society with a wide range of views.
The military establishment is less optimistic about military intervention than the crazies who now rule.
Don't worry, a lot of the opposition are also crazies, but different types.
Posted by: Polli | Apr 19 2024 14:08 utc | 3
Israel's retaliation was like @benshapiro having sex:
Claims to have penetrated but you feel nothing
Seen on Twitter.
made me laugh
Posted by: john | Apr 19 2024 14:13 utc | 4
Re your last sentence, b:
Yes. They should all go back where they came from. Only those demonstrably resident in 1947 permitted to remain, if they wish.
Posted by: pasha | Apr 19 2024 14:18 utc | 5
john | Apr 19 2024 14:13 utc | 4
Not the usual 'john', who doesn't find it funny at all.
Change your handle, asshat.
Posted by: john | Apr 19 2024 14:24 utc | 6
Israel is a pluralistic society with a wide range of views.
Posted by: Polli | Apr 19 2024 14:08 utc | 3
As long as you're Jewish. If not, you're out of luck.
Posted by: laguerre | Apr 19 2024 14:28 utc | 7
Wow, not a pair between them.
Now Iran can go back to it's proxies and Israel can go back to murdering Gazan children and the cartons of popcorn I bought in early October anticipating Iran v Israel showdown can slowly expire to become bird seed.
Iran and Israel are at each others' throats for decades. If they don't have the guts to finally settle their animosity in a cage match, one on one, mano-o-mano, then they're destined to shout death threats to each other like two mongrels barking at each other on either side of a fence.
The Iran-Israel "war" is in dire contrast to the Ukraine-Russia war. One might disagree with the Kyiv regime or even the Kremlin. But one has to acknowledge the bravery and professionalism of soldiers from both sides.
Not NATO though. NATO has no problem invading sand dwellers with rag tag clothes and rpg-7s in the middle east. But NATO is as brave as Israel when facing a real opponent like Russia or China.
Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Apr 19 2024 14:29 utc | 8
The missile remnants found outside Baghdad 'may have hit something near Isfahan'? Did you check a map before writing that? Also, Israel did not 'lose' escalation dominance. It never had one except in minds of people who are ignorant about military capabilities.
Posted by: Lyle A | Apr 19 2024 14:29 utc | 9
Israeli ballistic missile?
Western media first claimed that Israel had fired ballistic missiles. Iran claimed that nothing happened, except some quadrocopters launched locally. No the remnants of the booster section of an Israeli air-launched ballistic missile have been found in Iraq, 100 km west of the Iranian border. See these two tweets.
https://twitter.com/AmirIGM/status/1781259559362806049https://twitter.com/FieldMarshalPSO/status/1781274459305037962
The missile in question is most likely the Silver Sparrow target missile. The existence was first revealed in August 2013 when a test launch was detected by the Russian ballistic missile early warning radar at Armavir. The launch was timed with the Ghouta false flag sarin massacre in Syria.
I wrote an article on the missile type ten years ago on the English language Wikipedia. The article has seen no progress in these ten years. On the contrary, Wikipedia's guardians of truth (and of "reliable sources") have been vandalizing it.
(Moving comment to new thread. I see b has already found the same of the same images.)
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 19 2024 14:30 utc | 10
b, please do not encourage these people to emigrate to my country.
Posted by: blurz | Apr 19 2024 14:35 utc | 12
"Those who moved to Israel because they thought that it could provide them with security should reevaluate their decision."
Hahaha. Nice try. 75K Jews moved to Israel in 2022 alone. They are safer there than in most European cities, where all the Islamist crazies now live.
Posted by: New1 | Apr 19 2024 14:36 utc | 13
Why not just keep it up? Completely exhaust Israel and US air defenses like Russia is doing in Ukraine. That way when Hamas launches their counterattack Israel won't be able to stop them.
And one story I think MoA needs to continuously cover is the simple fact that our "plan" (if that's what you want to call it) to deal with the Houthi's is a complete and total failure. Simply put, we have no ability to stop the Houthi's from interdicting Red Sea shipping, period, full stop. Their attacks continue and there is literally nothing at all we an do about it. This is huge. In the end, we're gonna have to kindly ask them to stop, likely through bribery (sending money and humanitarian aid and lifting sanctions), and hope and pray that they agree to it.
These low level conflicts can absolutely exhaust Team LGBTQ/Empire. Overpriced weapons, overextended empires, the Muslims are truly doing God's work and I say that as an American Christian.
Posted by: WestWatcher | Apr 19 2024 14:39 utc | 14
First impressions matter. We can sit here all day doing analysis and being clever, first impressions still matter.
More and more people will tell you they disbelieve everything they hear from MSM. And they still believe the narrative. The narrative is the only thing they ever hear.
For the loyal target audience more confirmation that IDF is invincible and ragheads in Iran are helpless children.
It's a psyops win. May be shortest weakest psyop in a while. It is still a win.
Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 19 2024 14:39 utc | 15
They are safer there than in most European cities, where all the Islamist crazies now live.
Posted by: New1 | Apr 19 2024 14:36 utc | 13
That's why half a million left Israel since Oct 7th.
Posted by: laguerre | Apr 19 2024 14:40 utc | 16
Question to the bar:
What is the status of Russia's nuclear umbrella over Iran? I've done some searching, can't find any confirmation that such a commitment on Russia's part actually exists, but I remember reading here at MOA that Russia did make that commitment.
Can anyone provide sources, links or quotes to confirm or deny the status of that nuclear umbrella commitment between Russia and Iran?
The relevance to this thread is this: if Israel uses nukes on Iran, what would Russia do?
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Apr 19 2024 14:42 utc | 17
Focus needs to shift back to Gaza quickly ... Tens of thousands are starving to death as we type ...
Posted by: Caliman | Apr 19 2024 14:42 utc | 18
From Badlands News Roundup:
As this chaotic storm of biblical proportions swirls around the Middle East, Saudi Crown Prince MBS remains completely calm, repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.Saudi: "Sign the peace deal."
Israel: bombs another city, killing civilians
Saudi: "Sign the peace deal."
Israel: kills a bunch of UN aid workers, including US citizens
Saudi: "Sign the peace deal."
Israel: bombs an embassy in Damascus
Saudi: "Sign the peace deal."
Israel: [taunts Iran in Hebrew]
Iran: fires missile barrage at Israel; barrage blocked by Saudi-led-alliance
Saudi: "Sign the peace deal."
Israel: "OMG! That missile barrage was literally the Holocaust!"
Saudi: "Sign the peace deal."
Israel: "Come on, America! We're going to war with Iran!"
America: "Just sign the damn peace deal."
We are watching the Art of the Deal. One side is playing chess, the other side is playing checkers. Benevolent perseverance will win the day. God will win the day.”
How come no-one has brought up the possibility that it was the Americans that brought down the Israeli missiles found outside Baghdad? It's about 100 miles from the Iranian border, so it's possible that they were downed by Iran. But the US has air defence in Baghdad. They may also have been downed using electronic warfare alone, as the missiles are likely GPS-dependent.
Posted by: Lyle A | Apr 19 2024 14:46 utc | 20
The safest place in the world for a Jewish person to live these days is …..
Iran
True
Posted by: Exile | Apr 19 2024 14:47 utc | 21
As a consequence of its strike in Damascus Israel has lost its escalation dominance.This is the sentence that matters. THis has wide-ranging implications.
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 19 2024 14:55 utc | 22
@Lyle A | Apr 19 2024 14:46 utc | 20
How come no-one has brought up the possibility that it was the Americans that brought down the Israeli missiles found outside Baghdad?Because as the article says, they are discarded first stages.
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 19 2024 14:58 utc | 23
Israel has escalation dominance... they have nukes and Iran doesn't.
Posted by: Goldhoarder | Apr 19 2024 14:59 utc | 24
By my calculations were still shy several high up generals.
Its not over till its over.
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 19 2024 15:00 utc | 25
Dammit, I just paid a deposit for a beach front condo in SW Israel. Better call Saul.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Apr 19 2024 15:00 utc | 26
Goldhorder @ 24
Clearly you havent thought that comment out.
Try angain snigger or get back to me later.
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 19 2024 15:07 utc | 27
Interesting about the discarded Israeli missile segment found in Iraq. That might help explain why both Iran and Israel are silent.
Any other report I've seen so far only mentions small drones. Maybe Israel tried to emulate Iran's multi-modal attack with drones and missiles, but it fell flat when all Israel's ballistic missiles were shot down by Iran. In such cases, Israel with its tail between its legs in shame, would be strongly motivated to keep silent. As for Iran - they are adults, and unlike Israel they are more interested in strategic gains than childish propaganda. Since they have consistently claimed to want to avoid escalation, it is plausible that they cast alleged (pretty implausible in my view) doubt on the identity of the perpetrators (a) to have an excuse not to have to respond, and (b) to minimise overall escalation. In such case keeping silent on having shot down the Israeli ballistic missiles, both Iran and Israel know the true score, that's a massive strategic victory for Iran compounding her earlier victory. If true, Iran successfully penetrated Israel's defences even with prior warnings and massive support from other countries, while Israel failed to penetrate Iran's defences at all (the small drones being regarded in this argument as mere decoys for the ballistic missiles and insignificant on their own). Iran also scored very significant international Brownie Points as adult in the room for remaining silent about shooting down the Israeli missiles to evade escalation - that's a beneficial boomerang that will come back to support Iran later when she needs to escalate.
Posted by: BM | Apr 19 2024 15:15 utc | 28
Israel's retaliation was like @benshapiro having sex:
Claims to have penetrated but you feel nothingSeen on Twitter.
made me laughPosted by: john | Apr 19 2024 14:13 utc | 4
Two empty jewish rocks lying ashamed in the desert, failing to have delivered anything anywhere.
The whole of shitrael between themselves couldn't find two working balls.
Israel is a pluralistic society with a wide range of views.
The military establishment is less optimistic about military intervention than the crazies who now rule.
Don't worry, a lot of the opposition are also crazies, but different types.Posted by: Polli | Apr 19 2024 14:08 utc | 3
Most of them have borderline personality disorder and likely the other cluster B disorders too. Pluralistic madhouse with conflicting views spitting bile at everything, in every head.
Posted by: Michael A | Apr 19 2024 15:17 utc | 29
I would very much imagine that Iran and North Korea have some sort of deal done where Iran gets oil to North Korea and Iran gets some technical advice on something like making nuclear weapons or ballistic weapons. Thus Israel having nuclear weapons has led to nuclear proliferation in the Middle East - another win for the USA empire.
Posted by: Bill R | Apr 19 2024 15:17 utc | 30
It has been mentioned in the Palestinian thread, could this have been a probing-attack to map out Iran's radar systems?
Posted by: librul | Apr 19 2024 15:20 utc | 31
Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Apr 19 2024 14:29 utc | 8
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Both wars are US wars. The US is a falling isolated empire.
Posted by: AI | Apr 19 2024 15:20 utc | 32
As a consequence of its strike in Damascus Israel has lost its escalation dominance.
This is the sentence that matters. This has wide-ranging implications.
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 19 2024 14:55 utc | 22
Agreed. Of course as another comment states, Israel has nukes as the final stage of escalation dominance, but once that point is reached all bets are literally off.
The point as I see it is the historical elimination of Israel's prior sense of being able to strike, assassinate & destroy at will with zero consequences. History will tell us if that was the turning point.
Posted by: FakeBelieve | Apr 19 2024 15:23 utc | 33
Posted by: pasha | Apr 19 2024 14:18 utc | 5
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Has anyone done a compare and contrast of the Israeli Ashkenazim and the Pieds Noirs of Algeria?
Posted by: Jane | Apr 19 2024 15:26 utc | 34
i suppose israel and iran know what is what.. i don't expect to be told what it is either.. appearances can be deceiving..
Posted by: james | Apr 19 2024 15:28 utc | 35
I don't buy any of this. NPR (whose new CEO was exposed this week) can proclaim explosions and chaos all they want, I'm not feeling it. Telegram channels from across iran aren't reporting it. A handful of quad copters from MEK/isis/ciami6demonicwarriors seems to have elevated the mood across iran as they're laughing and joking. Any sort of promises of supporting operations in rafah or anywhere in gaza isn't for the US to promise, and israel will undoubtdly encounter greater and greater resistance suffering increasing casualties despite any empty promises of US support.
Occuppied West Bank continues under siege by the Israeli Occupying Forces and illegal Israeli settlers financed by the US.
Posted by: AI | Apr 19 2024 15:38 utc | 37
@Norwegian | Apr 19 2024 14:58 utc | 23
The warhead in a missile like that doesn't have fuel tanks that carry it much further than the first stage, so where is the warhead? It definitely didn't make it to Isfahan.
Posted by: Lyle A | Apr 19 2024 15:42 utc | 38
Southern Front SITREP
https://english.manartv.com.lb/2091421
Comment - significant rocket barrage outside Gaza Fence plus a major ambush of a IDF column inside Feb e.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 19 2024 15:44 utc | 39
‘Those who moved to Israel for security should re-evaluate.’
No!!!!!!!
Stay there. Or go here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast We don’t want them coming back here.
Posted by: Sentient | Apr 19 2024 15:46 utc | 40
@Goldhoarder | Apr 19 2024 14:59 utc | 24
When your doomsday weapon is your only deterrent, you lose. The US's and Russia's military power is not based on nukes. Israel's nuke missiles could be used as a revenge weapon against Iran's population centers, but have limited military value. They wouldn't be able to stop Iran from a sustaining a drone and missile attack, and if Israel tries using them for that they'd have less for revenge.
Posted by: Lyle A | Apr 19 2024 15:51 utc | 41
Vladimir Putin has stated several times...
A nucular attack on Iran would be seen as an attack on Russia.
Its a chessboard. Russia has its nucular deterant on the board, red sea, med, off the coast of US, england too.
And they know it.
Israels nucular advantage would last only momments.
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 19 2024 16:01 utc | 42
@Lyle A | Apr 19 2024 15:42 utc | 38
Just read what b writes and the links provided.
"Two discarded first stages of Israeli ROCKS aero-ballistic missiles have been found"
Israeli defense firm Rafael combined two of its air-launched weapons to produce Rocks which, when launched from an F-16 or F-35, uses a solid fuel rocket motor to send it on an upward trajectory so that the missile descends on the target at the speed of a ballistic missile.
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 19 2024 16:06 utc | 43
It is a relief that it has become transparent that Israel is not prepared or capable of fighting Iran head-on.
But when will Israeli troops be expelled from Gaza?
Because as long as the Israeli army continues its military action in that land, the massacres will continue.
What also worries me is whether this decades-long act of 'illegal settlement' will eventually be overlooked.
They have continued to ignore international law and UN recommendations to continue illegal settlement, and if they continue to stay, will it eventually be overlooked and treated as acquired land?
If so, they will just continue with their illegal settlements in the future.
The root of the problem appears to be due to the lack of a mechanism or existence that provides effective punishment for Israel, no matter how much Israel oppresses the Palestinians.
Posted by: Nokaz | Apr 19 2024 16:14 utc | 44
As a consequence of its strike in Damascus Israel has lost its escalation dominance.
I would like to learn more. Please flesh this out beyond an assertion to examine if it is credible. On the face of it, it is ridiculous. They are gutting the general staff of IRGC's pointy end. They operate with impunity in the skies of Iraq, Syria and very likely Iran. Only US is holding the back.
As I understand it, IRI's deterrent is a mini-MAD doctrine that relies on the (expected, projected, not proven) "catastrophic" impact on world energy and trade. Close the Persian Gulf, burn down all the "Gulf" energy infrastructure and have Hezbollah and other proxies go full blast on the enemy. The next 'level' down is proxy warfare. There is NOTHING in between these. Nothing. This is their escalation ladder: terrorist -> irregular militia -> economic pain for stakeholders (c.f. Houthis) -> ?
So that is their 'max' escalation - it's their only card left. Strike in Damascus was based on the fact that IRI can't escalate without getting into a total war (with basically everyone, including nominal allies like China who absolutely can not be on the same page regarding Persian Gulf closure). IDF was highlighting this fact.
Many here pretend to knowledge regarding military and economic matters. Lay out the case for this fabulous MAD of the IRGC. In my opinion is it merely mad and sadly misinformed about their adversaries and what they are capable of doing.
So no, B.
What has transpired is actually USA regaining control over the escalation in the well choreographed and telegraphed "decades long" conflict between these two projects.
Posted by: sotecoml | Apr 19 2024 16:14 utc | 45
National Security Council of Iran Announced there was no foreign attack.
Posted by: arata | Apr 19 2024 16:16 utc | 46
just now, mentally derailed norwegian Stoltenberg has said NATO believes Ukraine has the right to strike "legitimate military targets" inside Russia.
Posted by: AI | Apr 19 2024 16:34 utc | 47
> The safest place in the world for a Jewish person to live these days is …..
Europe, North America, South America, Russia, and more… Practically anywhere else other than Hotel Netanyahoo.
Posted by: natokraine | Apr 19 2024 16:41 utc | 50
Dammit, I just paid a deposit for a beach front condo in SW Israel. Better call Saul.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Apr 19 2024 15:00 utc | 26
Lol 😂
Posted by: blueswede | Apr 19 2024 16:41 utc | 51
posted by: Eoin Clancy 26
Better check with Samson. Last I heard he was eyeless in Gaza.
Posted by: G. Poulin | Apr 19 2024 16:43 utc | 52
Is that egg on your face?
If this was it, than Iran and Israel, of all countries, have shamed the rest of the (western) world by finding a solution for a conflict that seemed impossible to solve, a solution where both sides save their face, where a minimum of damage was caused and where - possibly - both sides now realise they might both be better off by tuning down provoking each other.
If with a capital I. Still. One may hope.
Posted by: Marvin | Apr 19 2024 16:43 utc | 53
Feels like a nothing burger. Some token strike on Iran to appease Israeli 'eye for an eye' justice. The fact that Iran is barely bothering to respond tells you this is all just a face-saving measure for Tel Aviv, probably cooked by by the CIA...
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Apr 19 2024 16:47 utc | 54
Hahaha. Nice try. 75K Jews moved to Israel in 2022 alone. They are safer there than in most European cities, where all the Islamist crazies now live.
Posted by: New1 | Apr 19 2024 14:36 utc | 13
Hope none of that cohort got caught up in the 7 October festivities ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 19 2024 16:47 utc | 55
Posted by: WestWatcher | Apr 19 2024 14:39 utc | 14
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Same God, better (more accurate) book of revelations, with stricter observance. Everything is according to the Creator's plan. It is, by definition, inescapable
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 19 2024 16:47 utc | 56
So its alot of wind then.....
Like 'blazing sadles'
Netinyahoo holds a gun to his own head and shouts "no one move or the jew gets it"
Victem pleading, classic.
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 19 2024 16:47 utc | 57
Posted by: Goldhoarder | Apr 19 2024 14:59 utc | 24
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National suicide is not escalation dominance. All Israel can threaten with is self destruction if they use a nuke.
Israel would be "playing itself" in that situation. #selfown
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 19 2024 16:53 utc | 58
Israel has escalation dominance... they have nukes and Iran doesn't.
Posted by: Goldhoarder | Apr 19 2024 14:59 utc | 24
Martyanov says once Izzrael uses nukes, that's the end of the regime.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxUQolIhhjg
Israel Ceases to Exist If It Goes Nuclear | Andrei Martyanov
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 19 2024 16:53 utc | 59
Real tight clamp down whatever the .... went down. All I can believe is that it was a small number of israeli aerial weapons, maybe Iranian f-14's from the 70's.
The Kurdish influenced area of Iraq, where a Mossad cluster was demolished comes to my mind. If any missile originated from there, oh my. Seperate issue - definitely will also add impetus to the ejection usOfa troop from Iraq.
On the Hezbollah Al-Manar and Al-Mayadeen sites for today. Al-Mayadeen quite silent, one of the leads is the heavy israeli incursion in West Bank into Tulkarm. Important, but ...
Al-Manar has https://english.manartv.com.lb/2091278 buttressed with video clips from PressTV.
Lost in the overall buzz is what appears a near simultaneous israeli strike in Syrian on possibly Syrian troops and not IRGC-axisofresistance
https://english.manartv.com.lb/2091487 Six israeli jets (fired from Lebanon??)
A more quiet night and morning possibly for Hezbollah ATGMs and missiles
https://english.manartv.com.lb/2091751 excepting a possible very strong reaction to a reconn group coming in from israel.
Islamic Resistance fighters target a gathering of Israeli soldiers near Ruwaisat Al-Alam site in the occupied Lebanese Kfarshuba Hills with missiles, achieving direct hits: statement
But most important, it appears there will be even new levels of depravity from israel and the iOccf in Rafah. And the increase of violence and land theft in the West Bank that was starting (imho) in September or prior will ramp up even more.
Posted by: paxmark1 | Apr 19 2024 16:56 utc | 60
Posted by: Michael A | Apr 19 2024 15:17 utc | 29
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We never seem to talk about how much and what kinds of systemic trauma the Zionist government of Occupied Palestine has endured and is probably inflicting on the next generation of race supremacists.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 19 2024 16:57 utc | 61
Mark2 | Apr 19 2024 16:47 utc | 57
No one move or the jew gets it :)
"So its alot of wind then....." add in the campfire scene.
Certainly beginning to look like a Blazing Saddles, bean powered empire at the moment. Though still capable of plenty of death and destruction against the defenceless.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 19 2024 16:57 utc | 62
Note, analysis from several middle eastern sources have suggested that this was not an "official" attack by Israel, but a provocation by rogue actors keen to, quote, "get the show on the road", meaning of course starting a hot war between Iran and Israel.
Iran has rightly recognised this provocation for what it is and has rightly ignored it officially.
Note also that there are currently several fundamentalist groups in both Israel and the US who are keen to, quote, "slaughter the Red Heffer and begin the rebuilding". An alter has been built in Jerusalem opposite the Dome of the Rock.
According to a well known religious scholar, "The attack on Iran was an amateurish and pathetic attempt to
start WW3 and bring about
eschatological prophecy".
A good search of middle eastern telegram channels will provide all the "links" and "references" required to support the above, and show how and who brought the "dummy" missiles into Iraq.
Posted by: Jonas001 | Apr 19 2024 16:58 utc | 63
The Iranian response to Israel’s bombing of the Iranian consulate, which claimed the lives of several Iranians and others, and despite what some schmucks might consider largely ineffectual, has far-reaching implications. Most experts I follow agree that Iran’s attack was very effective and extremely well executed, demonstrating advanced strike capabilities by Iran. Israel and its allies fully-expecting the strike and were well prepared. Yet the dense, multi-faceted air defense operation failed to stop Iran’s missiles hitting their mark.
The pretend attack of last night I think demonstrates Israel’s new-found respect of Iran’s response capabilities. Attacking Iran and Iranian interests in the future will come at a very heavy price for Israel.
Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Apr 19 2024 16:58 utc | 64
The Western system of International Law (and Justice) has vanished.
Palestine and Iran are currently performing medieval "Trial by Combat".
Except, even if victorious against their opponents in the ring, they will have to fight the judges, the jurors and probably even half the audience to merely win the right to live ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 19 2024 17:02 utc | 65
Question:
What is the resemblance between the Easter Rising and 7 October 2023?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 19 2024 17:03 utc | 66
I don't see any footage or photographs of smoke over Iranians' cities, rubble, etc. like we saw damage of the consulate, and we saw smoke and craters in Israel.
If there was any damage in Iran it was far away from habitation and cameras.
Any evidence to the contrary?
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Apr 19 2024 17:07 utc | 67
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Apr 19 2024 17:07 utc | 67I don't see any footage or photographs of smoke over Iranians' cities, rubble, etc. like we saw damage of the consulate, and we saw smoke and craters in Israel.
If there was any damage in Iran it was far away from habitation and cameras.
Any evidence to the contrary?
Looks like two potentially world-changing attacks resulted in no casualties.
Performative?
At the least: very strange.
@Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 19 2024 17:03 utc | 66
Countdown to Passover.
Posted by: librul | Apr 19 2024 17:17 utc | 69
The embassy attack was very successful. Two top commanders scratched. Holocaust guilt nerve touched to remove any trace of the aid workers "unfortunate accident". Ongoing deprivation of Palestinians basic food and water- physical and mental torture. Non topic.
A lesson is being taught. Its not just about the Palestinians. When compassion is ignored, suffering propagated and the world averts its eyes it effects things.
Israel will finish off the Palestine people in this horrible fashion. We get to live with the facts that our societies allowed it. The soothing words of the officials using terminology that smooths the reality.
The lesson is for us as well. We will be the living incarnation of the lesson the Palestinians will be gone.
Their legacy will live in our misery.
Posted by: misnomer | Apr 19 2024 17:21 utc | 70
The relevance to this thread is this: if Israel uses nukes on Iran, what would Russia do?
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Apr 19 2024 14:42 utc | 17
Tom, Russia has stated that it has Iran’s back. This doesn’t mean it will do anything in the case of nuke usage though. Looking at a map, you’ll notice what a small country the entity is. Even a decapitated Iran will have its armed forces intact and they will come down with wrath and fury, wiping out the entity, entirely, with conventional missiles. Iran did just demonstrate that it can easily attack and found new openings in the defenses by making a show.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 19 2024 17:23 utc | 71
Recall that on Oct 6th, 2023
Netanyahu was three months away from annexing much of the West Bank.
What options were available for the Palestinians on Oct 6th?
The countries involved in the Abraham Accords did not publicize it at the time, but Netanyahu’s commitment to not annex the West Bank was limited in duration. Days after the normalization agreement was announced in September 2020, three sources familiar with the negotiations told The Times of Israel that then-US president Donald Trump gave the UAE a commitment that Washington would not recognize any Israeli annexation move until 2024 at the earliest.
Posted by: librul | Apr 19 2024 17:24 utc | 72
Arch Bungle @ 66
Answer.... deliberate relentless provocation by israel until the true victem predictably responds as is inevetable.
Exactly the same game plan the west encouraged ukraine to use on Russia BEFORE the SMO.
a simple but very very effective deception, deceaving the sheeple.
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Thanks PeterAu1
Blazing sadles fits perfectly as a metaphor.
But yes i take your point about the sereousness envolved with this subject.
My own tactic is to deliberatly keep a balance... the sereousness but acknowledgeing the madness and laugh at their insanity.
If i can still laugh i know i'm still sane. When that go's were in trouble.
Much respect.
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 19 2024 17:24 utc | 73
The embassy attack was very successful. Two top commanders scratched.
Posted by: misnomer | Apr 19 2024 17:21 utc | 70
Many great Iranian commanders have been killed over the last 40 years. Soleimani being one prominent example.
Yet despite this the resistance has just grown more lethal with each passing year.
Sometimes older, wiser but more careful leaders need to be removed to make way for younger, angrier blood with better ideas on how to wreck the Zionist regime'
Some ambitious eager to please young IRGC members are due for a promotion ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 19 2024 17:28 utc | 74
Many here pretend to knowledge regarding military and economic matters.
Look who's talking!
If there is war in the Persian Gulf, China will be coordinating with their partner, Iran. China doesn't want the Iranians (or anyone) to start such a conflict, which would be disastrous for all, inevitably spiralling into a larger war. Hence this posturing by the criminal Israeli regime and their Maerican sponsors.
It's unclear to me why you would think Israeli f35s are a cutting-edge asset, unlike say hypersonics, or that the unclaimed aerial assassinations represent anything other than their own operators unbridled fear of the strike capabilities of Iran - and the future they portend.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 19 2024 17:30 utc | 75
Listening to exchanges in the media today on the Israeli attack on Iran, it came across as if both parties Iran and Israel had uneasily agreed on the strike, and that that agreement was further cemented by both parties remaining fairly tacit on the attack.
I get the feeling that for now both parties are reticent to take any further action for fear of a full scale escalation.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 19 2024 17:37 utc | 76
We never seem to talk about how much and what kinds of systemic trauma the Zionist government of Occupied Palestine has endured and is probably inflicting on the next generation of race supremacists.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 19 2024 16:57 utc | 61
I remember reading somewhere that the "elite" families condition their own children from early childhood with inhuman levels of abuse as well. Would explain some things.
Posted by: Michael A | Apr 19 2024 17:39 utc | 77
Such an interesting event that we don't know all about yet.
Has Occupied Palestine stopped their killings in Gaza or elsewhere?
What is next if not ceasefire of some sort?
Take ten deep breaths and carry on.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 19 2024 17:52 utc | 78
Posted by: ctiger | Apr 19 2024 14:08 utc | 2:
I hope that is the end of it, but wouldn't bet on it...
The way it looks now, this phase of head-on confrontation between Izzie and Iran would likely end. But the process of kicking out the Empire and its Zionist appendix will proceed on, slowly enough to be hardly noticeable as well as to ameliorate socio-economic impacts to the region as a whole.
The Empire (and its predecessor the nah-nah-sunset clan) has messed around in this region for most of the so-called Modern Age on Planet Earth. Their influences, spells, traps and mines, are everywhere. To remove them, it's best to do so slowly/gingerly for everyone's benefits. But removed they will be.
After the Soleimani incident, Iran was on record of vowing to kick the Empire out of the Middle East. Iran has for long vowed to assist the Palestinian to abdicate Izzie out of Palestine (into the Seas, they said). Persians are a nation of long history as well as brilliance, comparable to the Chinese. I for one believe they are capable of achieving what they set out to do. Give them time.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 19 2024 17:52 utc | 79
Speaking of performative, sitrepworld.info posted this article from the neofeudal review substack a few days ago:
The global world order is centralized at levels above the nation-stateThe illusions of a transition from a "unipolar" U.S. to "multi-polar" BRICS order
Look, all one has to do is observe the worldwide coordinated efforts during COVID to see how global this monster is. Every country in the world worked in lockstep on economic shutdowns and forced untested, deadly vaccinations, including the so-called independent states of China, Russia, Iran, Brazil, Saudi etc. Only Africa was exempt from these forced measures and Sweden feebly resisted to a very limited extent. Dissenters worldwide to this process were banned from the public realm, lost their jobs or worse. Of course the creator of the PCR test, the gold standard of COVID testing, believed the PCR test was wildly inappropriate for testing for COVID (and he curiously died right before the start of COVID), but this was seen as a benefit by globohomo because they could get any result they wanted from the tests depending on the number of cycles they used for amplification (amplifying tests more than 25x would come back positive for anything, and there are reports COVID tests were amplified at varying rates over time but as high as 40x) — in other words, globohomo could create surges of COVID waves at their will depending on political needs.
See this great post by Iain Davis where he breaks the argument down further:
All governments in all major economies are avid enthusiasts of SDGs, biosecurity, digitalisation, tokenisation, the censorship of "disinformation," CBDC (digital money), population surveillance and, most crucially, global governance under the auspices of the United Nations (UN)….This suggests oligarch control external of international relations and conflicts. There is evidence of supranational sovereignty and political authority being exercised, right now, by a global network that operates beyond the reach of national governments”…
Quite evidently, there is very real and bitter conflict between nations and it is causing immense suffering. In fact, one of our chief concerns is that the transition to a MWO will cause significantly more suffering.
What we are saying is that there is no disagreement on the pillars from any quarter. But this is no claim that national governments are “all in it together.” On the contrary, the fact that there is both conflict and, at the same time, global agreement on the pillars, suggests a “geopolitical reality” that no member of the multipolar fan club seemingly wants to discuss.
Agreement on the pillars does not suggest all national governments are of one, single hive mind. It suggests that governments do not control the global governance system. They are subject to it, just like the rest of us. The best they can achieve is "partner" status. And they are not senior partners.
The pillars did not originate with national governments. The pillars were mapped out by public-private globalist think tanks and international organisations that serve the interests of oligarchs.
The cabal structure is represented as follows from here:
So the main points are
a) there is a globally coordinated level above nation states as evidenced during covid for any with eyes to see; and
b) not all nation states are in lockstep with that upper level nor with each other.
That sounds about right.
That said, perhaps the reasons that both the SMO and now the Israel-Iran confrontation are a tad strange-feeling is because the upper level has a role in setting them up and at their level there is no substantive inter-nation-state quarrel. This explains the oligarch Abramovitch easy coming and going between the City and Putin, the release of Azov hostages (which he helped pay for perhaps) and such.
Does this mean Iran is in bed with the globalists?
Yes, because both BRICS+ and the West are on board with UN Agenda 2030 (which features Western but not Oriental de-industrialization because ‘climate change’), the upcoming WHO initiative trumping nation state sovereignty, and thus also citizen consent, during health emergencies only they get to call. And of course all are on board with digital currencies with IDs - which this article explains further. Here is their short summary about BIS:
The BIS is the coordinating entity of the world central banks and is based in Basil, Switzerland. It is not subject to the laws of Switzerland and has its own police force. The BIS itself is owned by a very small number of families although the exact details are of course closely guarded and not released for public consumption. See this link which explains how most of the layers above the Policy Subject level are exempted from paying taxes. In other words, this system is a worldwide parasitical system that extracts wealth from the public for its own consumption.
The private owners of the world central banks are seemingly animated by a malevolent Demiurgic spirit which seeks a total inversion of human values and quite possibly an end to humanity itself, as Tree of Woe points out here. While they may not be literally inspired by an actual Demon, their actions are indistinguishable from it.
So globalism has a whole different level of networked power compared to the lower-down, but morally satisfying, MWO vs Hegemon narrative with its much clearer ‘good guys vs bad guys’ narrative and most of us picking one side versus another.
@ Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 19 2024 17:23 utc
Sakineh: Tks for reply, and your summary of the facts on the table at the moment was very good.
Let's suppose that Russia actually _has_ issued and distributed formal policy that states "a nuclear attack on Iran is a nuclear attack on Russia". Not just an attack by the West, but "_any_ nuke attack on Iran is a nuke attack on Russia".
That work "any" is crucial. Why? Because it takes nukes completely off the board for Israel. Israel simply cannot use them on Iran, or Israel will get fully obliterated.
The effect is that any Israel-Iran war must remain on conventional terms. The outcome would be decided by which nation has the best conventional weapons, allies, attack access routes, production capacity, munitions storehouses ... the same factors that tipped the balance in Russia's favor with respect to the Ukraine-NATO .vs. Russia war.
If - and I said "if" - I'm representing Russia's actual, stated policy accurately, then Israel's got no good moves left.
No matter how much aid they get from the U.S., any munitions fired outward (paid for by U.S.) come back as more munitions fired inward at Israel.
And as you pointed out, Israel is a lot smaller and has fewer targets. Israel's munitions delivery systems are mostly airplane-launched, with some submarine launch capacity. How close to Iran can Israel safely fly? Not that close.
How much weight can those planes lift? Not that much. How fast can you replenish and reposition a sub?
Russia can switch off Israel if decides to. One policy declaration will do it. And that's why I'd like to get some precise information about what Russia has actually committed itself to do.
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Apr 19 2024 18:03 utc | 81
It would appear that there were more exchanges in the region of late than we first thought.
"Israeli military aircraft have carried out a string of airstrikes against positions in Syria’s southwestern provinces of Daraa and As-Suwayda as well as neighboring Iraq.
Sabereen News, a Telegram news channel associated with Iraqi anti-terror Popular Mobilization Units (PMU), reported that the warplanes targeted a radar site, which lies between the town of Izra’ and Qarfa village, early on Friday.
There were no immediate reports about the extent of damage caused and possible casualties.
Israeli fighter jets also bombed al-Thalaa Airport in Syria’s southwestern province of as-Suwayda.
Additionally, the sound of three explosions was heard close to Bismayah, situated about 10 kilometers (6.2 miles) southeast of the Iraqi capital city of Baghdad, with no reports of casualties immediately available.
Several blasts also rattled through the northern part of Iraq’s central province of Babylon.
Drone alert sirens go off in northern occupied lands
Meanwhile, aircraft intrusion sirens were sounded in several towns on the border between the northern side of the 1948 Israeli-occupied territories and Lebanon, warning of incoming rocket fire.
Israeli media outlets reported that sirens went off in the towns of Eilon, Hanita, Zarit, Even Menachem, Gornot HaGalil, Adamit, Shtula, Ya’ara, Goren, Arab al-Aramshe and Shomera.
A number of missiles fired from southern Lebanon also landed in Ramim area of the Upper Galilee region.
Sirens were also sounded in Margaliot moshav and Kiryat Shmona city.
Additionally, Israeli media reported that a fire broke out inside Yir'on kibbutz in the Galilee Panhandle region as Hezbollah rockets hit the area.
Hezbollah fighters also pounded a building used by Israeli soldiers in al-Manara settlement, striking the designated target precisely.
The Lebanese resistance fighters targeted Ruwaisat al-Alam and Zibdin sites in the occupied Lebanese Kfar Shuba Hills with salvos of rockets and artillery shells."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 19 2024 18:09 utc | 82
I've said, since the phony "GWOT", I have said that there will be no attack on Iran by the USA. Why? Because I know who in Washington really runs the show. No surprise, it is the Wall Street oligarchs who are as nasty a bunch as you'd care to know...but, they are rational actors who do not want any major war to hurt business. Thus they can always be counted on to support peace in West Asia particularly with Iran (Straights of Hormuz). They have no problem with war in Ukraine or anywhere else as long as they are assured it won't go nuclear. I hate to say it but we owe whatever world peace we enjoy to the oligarchs in the world of Wall Street/City of London.
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Apr 19 2024 18:10 utc | 83
When Iran retaliated, many missiles and drones were intercepted above Jordan. The trajectory of the missile attack on Isfahan implies that it was fired from Jordan airspace. I wonder whether when it would come to another confrontation, whether Western and Israeli military sites in Jordan that now clearly demonstrated to serve Israeli interests would also be targeted by Iranian by weapon systems.
Jordanian Foreign Minister Ayman al-Safadi's words about “We warn of the danger of regional escalation" yada yada is of course empty rhetoric given it not only hasn't done anything to alleviate the Gaza siege but also aided in repelling attacks on Israel meant to alleviate said siege and facilitates Israeli attacks in this case on Iran but on earlier occasions Iranian assets in Deir Ezzor.
Posted by: xor | Apr 19 2024 18:18 utc | 84
Cris Cosmos @ 83
That sounds like your suffering from 'Stockholm Syndrome'
Are you on the pay roll.
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 19 2024 18:23 utc | 85
Blinken really is a piece of shit.
"US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has reportedly been failing to act on a proposal from a special panel at his department to suspend assistance to Israeli forces over human rights violations against Palestinians.
Citing several current and former American officials, the New York-based ProPublica news site reported on Wednesday that a special committee of the State Department - known as the Israel Leahy Vetting Forum – had recommended in December that Blinken disqualify Israeli military and police units from receiving US aid.
However, it added, “They’ve been sitting in his [Blinken’s] briefcase since then.”
The panel, made up of West Asia and human rights experts, reviewed incidents, including extrajudicial killings of Palestinians by the Israeli police, as well as the gagging and handcuffing of an elderly Palestinian-American man who later died, and the torturing and raping of a teenager."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 19 2024 18:38 utc | 86
Lyle A | Apr 19 2024 15:42 utc | 38,
Where did you get this information?
"The warhead...doesn't [travel] much further than the first stage"
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Uhm...no, not that Wiki is the best place but, I don't have all day....
"The boost phase is the portion of the flight of a ballistic missile during which the booster engine operates until it reaches peak velocity. This phase can take 3 to 4 minutes for a solid rocket...typical burn-out speed is 7 km/s...The midcourse phase represents the majority of the time of flight of a ballistic missile, from minutes to the better part of an hour depending on the range of the missile. During this phase the payload follows a ballistic trajectory...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_missile_flight_phases
Posted by: S Brennan | Apr 19 2024 18:55 utc | 87
Blinken is the poster child example of the limitations of ethnic nepotism.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 19 2024 18:57 utc | 88
@natokraine
> The safest place in the world for a Jewish person to live these days is …..
Europe, North America, South America, Russia, and more… Practically anywhere else other than Hotel Netanyahoo.
I think a Jew in Tehran is safer than a Jew in Berlin or Paris.
Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 19 2024 18:57 utc | 89
Putin's biggest victory to date must be his singlehanded eradication of Covid.
The "crisis" literally vanished overnight as Russia attacked Ukraine.
Posted by: g wiltek | Apr 19 2024 18:58 utc | 90
Found on another site….
There was a video posted where an English blonde pointed out that Jews in the UK secure their Israeli passport by doing a stint in the IDF, then return to the UK and sorta blend back back in as if nothing went on.She pointed out that they were doing war tourism and ought to be stripped of their European passport. They’ve participated in bombing children and wholesale destruction of cities. A nice liberal girl figured out there is a problem with Israelis having dual citizenship in the US, Canada, UK, France, Australia etc.
Can anyone confirm if this is true
Posted by: Exile | Apr 19 2024 19:10 utc | 91
Presstv latest headline
"Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian says the shooting down of three Israeli quadcopters by the country's air defense over the central city of Isfahan caused no damage or injuries.
"In a desperate attempt, the media supporters of the Zionist regime (Israel) tried to make a victory out of their repeated defeat," Amir-Abdollahian said in a meeting with ambassadors of the member states of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) in New York on Friday."
Posted by: migueljose | Apr 19 2024 19:18 utc | 92
Blinken is the poster child example of the limitations of ethnic nepotism.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 19 2024 18:57 utc | 88
One of many, really. The stereotype of high IQ has to have been started and promoted by Zionazis.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 19 2024 19:26 utc | 93
These nincompoops in power do not inspire confidence:
"World War III! Ha ha, made ya look! You looked funny. I saw you flinch! Did too! Did too! And I can make you finch again. Wanna bet? Yeah huh! Can too!"
Can we substitute the red heifers with these nincompoops in power or is that a war crime too far? Or let us at least replace these nincompoops with red heifers in power. I know the red heifers are forbidden to work a moment in their lives, but are these elite positions really work?...
/sarcasm
Posted by: titmouse | Apr 19 2024 19:27 utc | 94
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 19 2024 18:23 utc | 85
Unlike most people here I have direct experience and book knowledge (history, philosophy etc.) of how stuff works in Washington--wish (now) I didn't. We live in a Machiavellian universe the fist always has the last word. Power players tend to be rational and deceptive. Their goal is to stay in power without destroying the playground so to speak.
Don't type me if you don't know me.
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Apr 19 2024 19:46 utc | 95
It is claimed that Bibi did not pull his punches in his "retaliation strike" against Iran, with no payback.
-- US voted NO on UN measure for Palestinian statehood
-- ICC had proposed charging Bibi with war crimes. That has, apparently, been called off
-- Israel will get multiples of $ to keep his war machine well supplied
-- Bibi will proceed with slaughter in Rafah
re this last: anticipate the propaganda: IRAN is the cause of Israel's continued murder of Palestinians.
Posted by: ChasMark | Apr 19 2024 20:06 utc | 96
On nuclear weapons:
Yes, Israel has them. They could launch them. It would take many to cover all of Iran.
No, Iran does not have them. But they have hypersonic missiles which can penetrate all of Israel. If Israel launches them, Iran only has to hit Israel’s nuclear power plant. The result of that makes all of Israel uninhabitable. The fallout is orders of magnitude worse than the bombs.
Both sides know what is at stake. Israel has been put on alert by Iran. Times have changed.
Posted by: Slat1 | Apr 19 2024 20:08 utc | 97
Has anyone done a compare and contrast of the Israeli Ashkenazim and the Pieds Noirs of Algeria?
Posted by: Jane | Apr 19 2024 15:26 utc | 34
Oops. That hit the spot.
Posted by: Passerby | Apr 19 2024 20:19 utc | 98
The safest place in the world for a Jewish person to live these days is …..
Posted by: natokraine | Apr 19 2024 16:41 utc | 50
Iran, of course.
Lost in history is many thousand of Jews that were saved from slaughter during WWII, when Iran took them in from Poland.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 19 2024 20:30 utc | 99
The Fox MSM IDF fanboys are stating today (Neil Cavuto) that the strikes exchange was a huge IDF success, and that the IDF had penetrated the Iranian AD screen, while the Iranians did not penetrate the IDF AD screen.
We all know that is completely false. At least 7 IRGC ballistic missiles scored hits the Damona IDF airbases and more scored hits on the IDF radar installations in the occupied Golan Heights.
This was bookie's push.......both sides demonstrated that they now have the capacity to hit each other's nuclear facility bases any time they wish.
Its now ME MAD..............the new normal...........
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Apr 19 2024 20:35 utc | 100
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Just when you thought the only ones throwing ROCKS in that region were the Palestinians..
Posted by: Rubiconned | Apr 19 2024 14:08 utc | 1