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March 19, 2024
Ukraine’s Demographics Again Dictate To End The Fight

The neoconservatives have launched their probably last attempt to save their project in Ukraine.

Edward N Luttwak @ELuttwak – 13:42 UTC · Mar 16, 2024

In Ukraine the age of conscription is 27, that is when people have started to work & have children. Naturally not many show up. Now they are discussing lowering the age to 25, still absurd. 18 is the right age, with bodies of growing strength. The Ukraine army is much too small

Following Luttwak's urging, a neocon Senate stooge jumped in:

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) called on Ukrainian lawmakers Monday to quickly pass a mobilization bill that would make more citizens eligible to be drafted into the military, and he sharply questioned exempting men under 27 from the fight.

Graham called for the swift legislative action — even as U.S. lawmakers remain unable to reach their own consensus on aid for Ukraine — while visiting Kyiv, his first trip to the Ukrainian capital since he abruptly turned against a $60 billion aid package for the country last month.

Ukraine is already short of soldiers and ammunition, and Russia is advancing on the battlefield, having recently seized the eastern city of Avdiivka after a Ukrainian retreat. Ukraine’s new mobilization law, which has been under debate for months as the country faces a severe shortage of battle-ready troops, proposes lowering the country’s draft age to 25. Although citizens can voluntarily join the military starting at age 18, and men between 18 and 60 are banned from leaving the country under martial law, the draft has until now protected younger men — many of whom are students — from being forcibly mobilized.

“I would hope that those eligible to serve in the Ukrainian military would join. I can’t believe it’s at 27,” he told reporters Monday. “You’re in a fight for your life, so you should be serving — not at 25 or 27.”

We need more people in the line,” he said.

Hmm – who is this "we" please? Is this meant as a pluralis majestatis or as an admission that the whole war is not about Ukraine but about the selfish aims of some lunatic clique in Washington DC?

Neither Luttwak nor Graham seem to have any knowledge of Ukraine's demography. I pointed out six month ago that there are hardly a significant number of 18 to 25 year old left in Ukraine. If that cohort gets further diminished by senseless dying Ukraine's future will be even more bleak than it is now. Even the British nuts who earlier proposed to draft 18 year old Ukrainians have learned to shut up about it.

The graphic below, taken from Wikipedia's Demographics of Ukraine, presumes that Ukraine has a population of some 40 million:


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But the real population number in the areas under control of the Ukrainian government is by now only about 20 million, half of which are people of retirement age. Drafting the few men of age 18 to 25 will not help to win the war but will, over time, further depopulate Ukraine.

The new mobilization law in Ukraine is slow to move through the parliament. There are many reasonable objections to it. The law will probably pass in April to be signed in May and to be fully enacted by June. It will increase the real mobilization numbers by only a few percentage points.

If those who will be mobilized under it the new law will get the training required they will join the front only by fall. It is unfortunately more likely that they will be immediately send to the front line to die. Either way there is no doubt who will win the fight.

Alex Vershinin of RUSI correctly describes this is as a war of attrition:

Attritional wars require their own ‘Art of War’ and are fought with a ‘force-centric’ approach, unlike wars of manoeuvre which are ‘terrain-focused’. They are rooted in massive industrial capacity to enable the replacement of losses, geographical depth to absorb a series of defeats, and technological conditions that prevent rapid ground movement. In attritional wars, military operations are shaped by a state’s ability to replace losses and generate new formations, not tactical and operational manoeuvres. The side that accepts the attritional nature of war and focuses on destroying enemy forces rather than gaining terrain is most likely to win.

The West is not prepared for this kind of war.

But Russia was prepared for this, just as it had been during previous wars. It is the side which has accepted attritional warfare. It will win.

There are currently more daily losses in the Ukrainian army than newly mobilized men joining it. To surrender to the Russian forces is seen as a real opportunity.

It is high time for Ukraine to give up. Its supporters should urge it to do so.

As Vershinin closes:

Unfortunately, many in the West have a very cavalier attitude that future conflicts will be short and decisive. This is not true for the very reasons outlined above. Even middling global powers have both the geography and the population and industrial resources needed to conduct an attritional war. The thought that any major power would back down in the case of an initial military defeat is wishful thinking at its best. Any conflict between great powers would be viewed by adversary elites as existential and pursued with the full resources available to the state. The resulting war will become attritional and will favour the state which has the economy, doctrine and military structure that is better suited towards this form of conflict.

If the West is serious about a possible great power conflict, it needs to take a hard look at its industrial capacity, mobilisation doctrine and means of waging a protracted war, rather than conducting wargames covering a single month of conflict and hoping that the war will end afterwards. As the Iraq War taught us, hope is not a method.

Make peace you fools.

Comments

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 19 2024 16:56 utc | 99
I see we are on the same page. I think it is easier for those of us old enough to remember, or better yet to participate in, that industrial economy to understand what its return will require.
Enough of that, nice chat.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 19 2024 17:09 utc | 101

Until the draftees summon the courage to start shooting their commanders and foreign trainers in the back, more and more cannon fodders will continue to be pushed to the front.

Posted by: Steve | Mar 19 2024 17:10 utc | 102

Justpassinby | Mar 19 2024 16:12 utc | 81
The problem that the European ruling cliques are having to deal with is that all geopolitical/economic logic tends towards the unification of eurasia from Lisbon (Galway!) to Vladivostok and Harbin.
The rebirth of concerns that Russia is aiming to over run all the western countries thgough it is military nonsense has a grain of truth at its base.
The problem though is not that Russian troops will invade the west but that the population of the western european countries will realise that nothing would be more conducive to their well being than integrating themselves within Eurasia.
By doing so not only will they have immediate access to low cost energy and relieve themselves of the, very considerable, costs of permanent preparation for war but, more importantly, they will find an eager market for the skills, resources and facilities that they have to offer.
This is why there is a constant need among western governments to maintain tension with China and Russia, because without that tension, fear of war, longing for security, hatred of the slavic/asian other and need to maintain a transatlantic alliance, their raison d’etre ceases. The US goes home NATO collapses and the world settles into a state in which it can breathe again, look at the real problems it faces and luxuriate in the new reality that the ‘problem of production’ are on the verge of being solved, poverty can be banished and human life move to a new and higher phase.
A higher phase in which the ludicrous and childish pantomime politics currently being- to the embarassment of all- offered will disappear. It is impossible to imagine the likes of Macron, Scholtz, Trump, Tusk, Johnson, Biden, Scholtenberg, von der leyen, et al etc surviving in a society in which the real questions are matters of importance rather than the effluvia of the incompetence, selfishness and greed of the ruling class.
To mention one typical ‘problem’ that would disappear immediately when the current wars and preparations for war ended- the mass migrations, from war zones and plundered countries, woluld end as quickly as their causes ended. Nobody enjoys emigration, most people particularly poor and working people are veery reluctant to give up the communal, social and deep family ties that bind them to their native places. The mass migrations into the USA like those into the EU are invariably born from crises, often of dispossession, in the societies from which the victims flee.
Just as the Irish in the C19th did not wish to leave their homes neither do Hondurans or Guatemalans, Mexicans or Colombians want to leave theirs, but when their land is taken from them or wars of terror waged against them they have to flee.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 19 2024 17:14 utc | 103

I read in the earlier comments that Marcon/France is considering sending 2K troops to Ukraine.
At the current meat grinder rate in Ukraine that is about 2 days supply of troops, correct?
I expect Russia is scared…../s

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 19 2024 17:17 utc | 104

re: women in/from 404:
The reason I installed adblock software on my phone was the constant stream of ads promoting dates with silicone- and botox-enhanced “dates” with yhe likes of “Darya, 31, Kyiv” and “Oksana, 23, Kharkiv”.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 19 2024 17:17 utc | 105

Posted by: Steve | Mar 19 2024 17:10 utc | 102
The parallels with Nazi Germany are not encouraging. As some Russian milcors like Sladkov and Sasha Kots observe, the brainwashing of the ukranians is extensive and was pursued actively for the past 30 years by various forces from the west. It’s enforced also by the gauleiters from Azov/Right sector and other nazi para-militaries similarly to SS/Gestapo/SiPo.

Posted by: Boo | Mar 19 2024 17:18 utc | 106

Would it be too optimistic of me to hope that the reason Baby Napoleon talks about sending 2K French soldiers to Little Russia is because
1. the’re already there;
2. they’re already dying in quantity; and
3. Baby Nappie can’t admit publicly to 2. above unless the troops were officially there in the first place?

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 19 2024 17:21 utc | 107

Doubling down on other peoples expense is easy.
But what if there is nothing more to double down with?
With the elections over, the Russians are ready for the next phase.
And doubling down in a conventional war with a battle hardened nation that is set on seeking justice and maybe even vengeance.

Posted by: ForWhomTheBellTolls | Mar 19 2024 17:22 utc | 108

@ rk | Mar 19 2024 16:30 utc | 87
Yes, the Caspian is another sea, which is why your comment about Russia building a base there as a substitute for Crimea is absolutely buffoonish.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Mar 19 2024 17:25 utc | 109

TOO BAD, THEY (USA&…) don’t want peace. GAME OVER is the only solution like you (b) point out.

Posted by: c | Mar 19 2024 17:26 utc | 110

@bevin | Mar 19 2024 17:14 utc | 103
Exactly this. It’s not just the artificial tension with Russia and China though (which is the goad for Europeans), but the bribery, corruption, and infiltration of governments by native-born ‘foreign agents’ in weak countries of the old Soviet sphere – Moldova, Armenia, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, etc. If Europe should change direction all these other efforts would collapse as well.
Another video from Mariupol with some young guys discussing the housing situation and a bit of politics. (Use cc to turn on rough translation to English)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzXIskYLOZI
The rail link from Rostov to Mariupol and Donetsk has reportedly been completed. Mariupol to Sevastopol still under construction.

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 19 2024 17:27 utc | 111

Re: Demographics of the Ukraine
My estimate of the population living in areas controlled by the Kiev government is (very) roughly 12 million.

Posted by: Exile | Mar 19 2024 17:31 utc | 112

Funny how US gives war assistance to a country and has no second thoughts on dictating the effort right down to draft age. Another country (cough) it claims it has no say at all.

Posted by: WG | Mar 19 2024 17:38 utc | 113

The West is not rational. It had no essential need to coerce Russia from 2000. until now. The West gains more from good relations with Russia. It is like having good relations with a neighbor, but then you decide to kill him and take his property. It is not rational. This is how psychopaths contemplate.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 19 2024 16:50 utc | 96
Yes!! All they want is to kill. And they do the same with China but war with China is even worse for them, India can’t proxy the missing products like they proxy Russian energy. The great world power NZ, which seriously depends on China, wants to join aukus against China (sputnikglobe.com/20240319/nz-flirts-with-aukus-pillar-ii-amid-chinese-concerns-1117419798.html).
Then look at this loser, 20k won’t last a month in Ukr at smo levels: French army is ready! – chief of staff, Gen. Pierre Schill – France is capable of deploying 20,000 soldiers within 30 days (…) The French armed forces have 121,000 soldiers in total and can call up 24,000 reservists. ( lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2024/03/19/france-s-chief-of-army-staff-the-french-army-is-ready_6634225_23.html )
Then clown Borell also has spoken today: 90% from frozen assets to go to the Euro Piss Fund, 10% to Ukr “military industry”.
Psychopaths is very good idea but not enough to explain. Inbreeding? Aliens?

Posted by: rk | Mar 19 2024 17:42 utc | 114

Tass referred to Mr Micron as “martial Macron” in reference to his (supposedly) upcoming visit to Kiev. Will the French now start calling him “Field martial Macron”?
From wiki:

Marshal of the Empire was a civil dignity in the First French Empire between 1804 and 1815. The successor of the dignity, the Marshal of France, is a five-star rank with a NATO code of OF-10, equivalent to an Admiral of France in the French Navy. The distinction was used sporadically and was vacant during parts of its history.[1] A Marshal was a grand officer of the Empire, entitled to a high-standing position at the court and to the presidency of an electoral college.[2] In total, 26 men were awarded a Marshal’s baton.[3] The most recent promotions to marshal came in 1815, two years after a break on routine promotions to the rank, when Napoleon promoted Emmanuel de Grouchy, one of his Generals, to the dignity.[4]
Unlike many positions, the Marshal of the Empire distinction was not a rank, rather a reward, given out by Napoleon. Almost all officers to hold the position of Marshal were professional soldiers in the French Army. Some, including Józef Poniatowski, served in foreign armies. Of all 26, 5 were killed in action, or by accident.[5] One Marshal was present at the Battle of Vitoria, fought in 1813, where the Duke of Wellington earned the British equivalent of the distinction.[6] Most had defected to the royalists before the Battle of Waterloo and Napoleon’s subsequent defeat, with only four others (most notably Marshals Emmanuel de Grouchy and Michel Ney) serving under Napoleon at the Battle of Waterloo.[1][7]
Auguste de Marmont, born in 1774, was the youngest officer to earn the distinction of Marshal.[8] Francois Kellerman was the oldest, born in 1735.[9] The majority of Marshals were given the title in 1804 (18 out of 26), while Grouchy received the distinction at the latest time, in 1815, shortly before the Battle of Waterloo.[4]

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 19 2024 17:42 utc | 115

Demographics or not, Ukraine is shelling Russia proper and advancing along the border slowly. Cant really fathom that there is no reaction in society, mobilisation etc.

Posted by: alek_a | Mar 19 2024 17:45 utc | 116

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 19 2024 16:34 utc | 90
“Yes, that was the idea with the “covid” thing. Teach them a lesson, make them obedient.”
Yup and those russians sure succeeded. Now all gung ho about killing their slav brothers, attacking jews, or was it nazis? Anyway, the order has been given and for russians it is not to question why, just for Putins glory die.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Mar 19 2024 17:49 utc | 117

Putin may have figured it out, he’s not infallible but he is smart, we will see.
Posted by: TG | Mar 19 2024 11:15 utc | 16
See the Chenya war.

Posted by: Mary | Mar 19 2024 17:51 utc | 118

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 19 2024 17:17 utc | 104
“I expect Russia is scared”
Your expectations priceless. Comedy gold 🙂
I expect Russia to be done with the military portion quickly and then prosecuting the perps they have arrested will be interesting global exercise, eh?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2022 18:47 utc | 3

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Mar 19 2024 17:52 utc | 119

Zizek losing his mind over Russia, did someone spike his coffee? What a complete charlatan.
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1769801014356451544
Posted by: Roger | Mar 19 2024 5:30 utc
Whatever they gave him must be a miracle drug. He didn’t touch his nose once in the minute long clip. His argument is laughable, and he manages to slander Arabs at the same time.
I’m lifting this from someone else (apologies) either another barfly or perhaps someone commenting on Karl’s site, I can’t remember, but they hate Putin because he makes Russia stronger. He cannot be made a comprador. Under his leadership, Russia has made a startling recovery. The fall of the USSR almost completely atomized that society and now look at them go! I don’t like everything he does, but that’s irrelevant, he has the trust and respect of most Russians. Whatever his flaws, he is exceedingly competent (and I think fair). After years of wanting to be a partner with the West, he finally realized his role was to be their bete noire, so he made other plans. The West is now discovering he is a fearsome opponent.

Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 19 2024 18:00 utc | 120

psychohistorian | Mar 19 2024 17:17 utc | 104

I read in the earlier comments that Marcon/France is considering sending 2K troops to Ukraine.

If it is true, the sure will not come by bus or train, with the Famas and chocolates in hanging baggage/backpack. The sure will fly. If the Swedes also have same, not so smart ideas/plans, than maybe have the NATO (after this Ukrainaction) a new standard airplain. To me this would sound like all F35 problems have been solved
many if … than … else
lets hope nothing will happend

Posted by: theo | Mar 19 2024 18:04 utc | 121

Critical comments by Vargas & Lavrov’s Dog, skeptical of overly optimistic assessments of Russia’s prospects, are to be welcomed & differ qualitatively from some of the uninformed or disingenuous trolling that evinces skepticism on this site.
Some of this higher quality criticism nevertheless still suffers from flawed premises–most notably that Russia entered into this conflict directly in Feb 2022 as a war of choice, for strategic advantage, but whose advantages after 2 years are far from assured.
But if we take an even slightly longer view–setting aside a history that runs from Cato’s Cartago delenda est, to Napoleon, to Hitler, down through the Wolfowitz Doctrine to Yugoslavia, Chechnya, Georgia–we see something remarkably like the Rand (2019) plan for “unbalancing” (fracturing) Russia already well in train: attempted coups in Kazakhstan & Belarus, anti-Russian ferment in Armenia, Moldova, Georgia, Baltics, Poland, Turkey (assassination of ambassador) & among Russia’s friends and allies such as Syria; MH-17, Russiagate; Skripals, Navalny; Magnitsky, Browder, etc. etc.
And in Ukraine–de facto NATO membership aside–you had the cultivation of an enemy & a military conflict that Russia essentially could not refuse: a fanatical & apparently now suicidal anti-Russia Nazi state already hosting bioweapons research labs & musing about the reacquisition of nuclear weapons to the apparent approval of the 2021 Munich Security Conference.
And if we take as the start date of the present conflict not Feb 24, but Feb 14, we will see the beginning of 40-fold increase in artillery shelling of the Donbass that, in conjunction with the 100,000 new UKR troops to the front, bringing the force strength to around 300,000, you would see something more or less indistinguishable from an artillery preparation for an invasion.
Few outside of political / intel / military spheres grasped just how formidable UKR forces had become–the #1 land army in Europe by a long shot, arguably ahead of Turkey’s as well, and in the same numerical ballpark as US land forces. Seeing the intensity of construction of RF defenses before this summer’s UkroNATO Offensive, it’s clear that RF would have seen Crimea as very much at risk if the West struck first.
Skeptics have been duly critical of the claim that Russia had been completely deceived by Western assurances around Minsk. On a long view after 2014, Russia needed time at least as much as UKR did, while perhaps hoping for and working towards an eventual Western endorsement of Minsk, preferring a bad peace to a major war.
Where RF intel / foreign-policy circles *may* have been mistaken was in the willingness of the West to follow through with an actual war on Russia. To be fair, RF intel would have seen little to no evidence of planning, mobilization, industrial build up or mobilization for such a conflict. Indeed 2 years in, there’s only now some seemingly feckless talk and serious structural impediments (e.g., profitability) to full-scale mobilization.
Perhaps, like the rest of us, RF intel failed to grasp just how captured, supine & essentially treasonous EU political elites now are & how incompetent Western strategic thinking about real war against a major adversary had become.
So Russia didn’t in truth choose to fight a war it could have stayed out of, but chose to act first when the probability & risk of damage of a first-strike from the other side reached an intolerable level.
By how much will Russia’s strategic position have improved after 2 years, or even after an eventual victory? Unclear. The West’s will likely be worse, but major wars cost both sides heavily. Even a clear Russian conventional victory over NATO that does not break up NATO and more importantly does not break the hold of global(ist) belligerence on US foreign policy may well be the precursor to an eventual larger war, once NATO has worked a decade to remedy its own failings.
And before–perhaps just before–the nuclear threshold is reached, there will be the temptation for the side gaining the upper hand to inflict maximal conventional damage to ensure that the opponent “never again” has the power to threaten “us”. Indeed that’s been the US/NATO position from the outset.
Once the conflict spills outside Ukraine and proceeds to direct strikes on RF & NATO territory by the other, NATO with its air force & RF with its missile forces may decide to massively launch against the other side’s military logistics.
To the extent that one side succeeds, nukes enter the chat.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Mar 19 2024 18:06 utc | 122

Until the draftees summon the courage to start shooting their commanders and foreign trainers in the back, more and more cannon fodders will continue to be pushed to the front.
Posted by: Steve | Mar 19 2024 17:10 utc | 102
Anyone know why this doesn’t appear to happen

Posted by: jpc | Mar 19 2024 18:16 utc | 123

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Mar 19 2024 18:06 utc | 122
Nice analysis. One wild card: the Empire collapses from within. The Western elites are desperate because they understand they may not get another bite at the apple. It won’t be because Russian tanks are rolling through their cities, but that those same cities will be in civil war-like turmoil. As an American I can just feel it, and it’s terrifying.

Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 19 2024 18:18 utc | 124

2000 French military units being deployed in Odessa. Not mercenaries. But actual French military.
Russia says they will be a priority target.
You do the math. Lol

Posted by: Comandante | Mar 19 2024 18:23 utc | 125

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 19 2024 16:40 utc | 94
What you say is true but I think you are way too optimistic. When great empires die, the period of chaos and decline lasts a very long time and it is rare indeed that there is in fact a full recovery. Most great empires shrink to being regional powers or even minor or even dependent nations.
Egypt, Iraq, Iran (Persia), Greece, Turkey, Italy (Rome), Portugal, Spain, Mongols, France and UK all had their time of greatness, but it is very rare that they get a second bite at greatness although in the decline phase there may be some ups and downs.
The problem is that the cause of the decline of a great power are often internal and deeply systemic. To be great or regain greatness, you need first the economic strength in terms of resources etc, but also the will to achieve, by the many in society willing to work together. There needs to be some form of social glue that cements people together to work for the collective good. The strongly individualist ethic that is the very core of the US culture, makes it very hard to develop the collectivist “all for one” approach that is needed to strengthen a society.
Religion, national pride, tribalism, charismatic leaders/kings have usually been the glue that allows great achievements. In the USA however there is way too much division in society and these days not much to be proud of. I think it possible that one large state or a group of states might be sufficiently cohesive to rebuild, but I really doubt that the USA as a whole comprising such diverse states as Vermont, Louisiana, California and Iowa have anything that can bind them together for a common purpose.

Posted by: watcher | Mar 19 2024 18:26 utc | 126

@ Posted by: Micron | Mar 19 2024 15:46 utc | 75

Putin’s problem is that he is a rational person in an irrational world.

The world is not exactly irrational.
It’s that we refuse to accept reality.
Austin said that it is US objective to weaken Russia, full stop.
It has nothing to do with defending Ukraine.
It is human nature (I have read and believe) to attempt to make what we see fit to our understanding of how we belive things work (and I want to say: how we think things should work).
I general I find that most often when a persons behavior appears irrational, it is because one does not understand what the moivation (objective) is.

Posted by: jared | Mar 19 2024 18:28 utc | 127

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Posted by: Merlenna | Mar 19 2024 18:28 utc | 128

“NATO with its air force”
Paul Damascene | Mar 19 2024 18:06 utc | 122
Nato’s air force won’t be much to look at after the first days, if they attack. You forget Russia is NOT at war. With its very dumb mistakes, smo is still a police action. nato is at war, and apparently the 500k ukro dead number was an optimistic number.
Michel from the garden announced today that at the March 21-22 summit EU will enter war economy with full support for Ukr, from weapons to money and whatever. Ursula will approve investments in weapons, a pfuzer deal part deux. Relax, more entertainment will soon be available.

Posted by: rk | Mar 19 2024 18:28 utc | 129

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Mar 19 2024 17:52 utc | 119
You dumb liberal fascist turd: watch this video and tell me how does nato is going to win against the Russian people? “Freedom is a conscious necessity”

Posted by: Boo | Mar 19 2024 18:37 utc | 130

Zelensky isn’t worried about Ukrainian demographics. The more Slavs that die, the better. He’s getting a fresh supply of at least 2000 French troops soon to keep the bloodshed going.

Posted by: bored | Mar 19 2024 18:39 utc | 131

Anyone know why this doesn’t appear to happen
Posted by: jpc | Mar 19 2024 18:16 utc | 123
Same reason troops in WW1 went on for years before mutinying, if it happened at all: a large portion of the ukrainian society actually supports war.
Sure, the enthusiast types are probably already gone but there is still quite a bit of road from there to full scale fragging/mutinies/surrendering en masse etc.

Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 19 2024 18:42 utc | 132

Posted by: watcher | Mar 19 2024 18:26 utc | 126
I don’t believe I said anything optimistic. 🙂
I don’t disagree with anything you say there, at this point I would settle for being a regional power that minds its own business and has a functional government, but I expect chaos, with local enclaves of functional economy/government, and a lot less stuff for everybody. Sounds pretty good, I am a bit of a Luddite, but I won’t be here that long.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 19 2024 18:44 utc | 133

Note also that there is no obstacle to supporting a war and not wanting to fight it personally, currently there are millions of westerners who are exactly like that.

Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 19 2024 18:46 utc | 134

Note also that there is no obstacle to supporting a war and not wanting to fight it personally, currently there are millions of westerners who are exactly like that.
Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 19 2024 18:46 utc | 134
Yes, let’s ignore the ruling class and focus on their confused slaves. One class in the west is responsible and it doesn’t number in the millions.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 19 2024 18:53 utc | 135

”… 2000 French troops soon to keep the bloodshed going.”
That’ll last until what, Thursday afternoon? Maybe Friday morning?
You NAFO puppies don’t seem to comprehend what ”cannot stabilize the front” really means. It means the Ukraine has been mauled and is pumping arterial blood. The Ukraine’s blood is pumping out faster than more can be scavenged from the villages in the west or supplied by NATO.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 19 2024 18:58 utc | 136

Virgile @100
No father wants to send his daughters to the front. As for the wives…

Posted by: AJ | Mar 19 2024 18:59 utc | 137

Zizek losing his mind over Russia, did someone spike his coffee? What a complete charlatan.
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1769801014356451544
Posted by: Roger | Mar 19 2024 5:30 utc
I think he lost it long ago in exchange for a prosperous position as professional baffler for western psuedo intellectuals seeking some truth in his bizarre Stalinist ravings.
He is entertaining though. A bit like trump. Lousy politics, but what a show! A perverts guide to cinema was actually pretty amusing.
He’s not stupid, so it’s probably dawning on him that he may have bet on the wrong horse. I’m going to guess he’s on the Adderall to cope.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 19 2024 19:01 utc | 138

Russia does not wanr a total war, the Russian population is not ready for that. But the France is ready. The levelnof social and psychological control is such in France (as is alo elsewhere in EU) that the French elite can easilly push the whole population into war.
Much easier then in Russia.
Psychological destabilisation is such that most of the people on EU just do not see the reality.
This “own reality” is something we can find in psychopats personalities.
That is just a result of applied corporare ideology of being “young and succesfull” .

Posted by: vargas | Mar 19 2024 19:01 utc | 139

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Mar 19 2024 18:06 utc | 122
Always a sober assessment. Good to see you, Paul.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 19 2024 19:03 utc | 140

Our sources in parliament said that the Office of the President prohibited people’s deputies from contacting the Constitutional Court on the issue of the vacuum of legitimacy.
Any initiative of parliament deputies will be declared a cognitive operation by the Kremlin, and people’s deputies will repeat the fate of Dubinsky.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/22091

Our sources in the OP said that the Office of the President will not submit an appeal to the Constitutional Court on the legitimacy of Zelensky after May 21.
Bankova understands that, according to the law, the Constitutional Court can put an end to the issue of Zelensky’s legitimacy vacuum in order to remove all questions in society, but they are afraid of receiving a negative answer, which is why the Office of the President will not appeal to the Constitutional Court until it takes it under full control control.
The security forces are already working with every judge from the Constitutional Court to form a majority for the President.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/22084

Posted by: Down South | Mar 19 2024 19:04 utc | 141

138 – I used to think he had some value as a culture critic. Yeah, he wasn’t PC enough here to avoid a jibe at the Arabs. I wonder what he makes of the Gaza slaughter – I suspect he knows criticising Israel will not be good for his career…

Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 19 2024 19:09 utc | 142

I read in the earlier comments that Marcon/France is considering sending 2K troops to Ukraine.
At the current meat grinder rate in Ukraine that is about 2 days supply of troops, correct?
I expect Russia is scared…../s
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 19 2024 17:17 utc | 104
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Don’t anyone hold your breath, “Operation Piss-in-the-Wind”. Is about two years too late.
NATO had its (slim) chance to intervene in 2022, when Ukraine was as strong as it was ever going to get & the RF was using a peacetime military.
2000 frogs skulking near Lvov or Odessa waiting to be boiled, won’t do f**k all to effect any outcome on the battlefield.
Through it might expedite the removal of Macron’s toxic presence on the world stage. If this attempt is actually made & inevitably a clusters**k.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 19 2024 19:10 utc | 143

Since
1. French troops are already deployed to Ukraine (and have been killed in noticeable numbers, particularly with that one missile strike in Kharkov),
2. French special forces have been in Ukraine even before the beginning of the SMO,
3. a French presence on the ground would not have a game-changing military impact (they’d have to deploy their entire combat-ready Armed Forces to actually change the situation, and even then it’s doubtful how much they could actually achieve), it has to be assumed that the only actual purpose of openly announcing and sending French troops in an official capacity is that the French government believes they can render certain areas or targets off limits for Russian advances and strikes because they assume the Russian government would be afraid to attack French troops.
That is an interesting gamble. If they go for it, we’ll see how it plays out…

https://t.me/geromanat/22989

Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service Sergei Naryshkin writes:
▫️The current leadership of France does not care about the death of ordinary Frenchmen and the concerns of the regions. According to data received by the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, a contingent is already being prepared to be sent to Ukraine. At the initial stage it will be about 2 thousand people.
▫️The French military fears that such a significant unit will not be able to remain unnoticed while transferred to Ukraine and stationed there. Thus, it will become a priority legitimate target for attacks from the Russian armed forces. This means that the fate of all the French who have ever come to the territory of the Russian World with a sword awaits such a unit.
▫️Macron will sooner or later have to reveal the ugly truth, but he will strive to delay the confession as much as possible. The Elysee Palace is aware that the number of French deaths has already exceeded a psychologically significant threshold.
▫️The release of such sensitive data can provoke citizens to protest, especially against the backdrop of massive anti-government protests by farmers across the country.
▫️The French army is now noticeably concerned about the increased number of French people killed in Ukraine. Only as a result of the destruction by the Russian Armed Forces of a temporary deployment point for foreigners near Kharkov on January 17, dozens of French citizens were killed, and since then such attacks have become the norm in the Ukrainian conflict.
As the French Ministry of Armed Forces unofficially admits, the country has not seen such losses abroad since the Algerian War in the second half of the 20th century.
▫️The military leadership also fears discontent among current mid-level French army officers. There is a disproportionate number of them among the dead, and already at this stage there are problems with finding “volunteers” to rotate and replace those who left the Ukrainian theater of military operations.
▫️In Paris, they carefully hide not only the number of losses, but also the very fact of the involvement of the French military in Ukraine. Because of this, the departments involved are rushing around in search of solutions to practical issues: the dead must be buried, compensation must be paid to families and pensions for disabled people. All this requires proper documentation, and further “double accounting of death” is fraught with lawsuits from disgruntled relatives.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/91902

Posted by: Down South | Mar 19 2024 19:10 utc | 144

@ 122 paul damascene..
thanks paul.. on target..

Posted by: james | Mar 19 2024 19:14 utc | 145

I would humbly volunteer 90% of all US politicians, I would also ask for around the same percent of the European ones. Get right into the trenches against your personal enemy, Russia. You know, the one you thought would fall like a wet noodle so you could partake in plundering their resources do the bankers and corporation’s. No I wouldn’t leave out the many dubious corporate heads and their putrid boards, or for heavens sakes, those fine terrorist 3 letter folks.

Posted by: Glen | Mar 19 2024 19:15 utc | 146

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/91873

🇺🇦 Kiev authorities, supported by the West, have turned to terrorist methods, including shelling of peaceful towns – Putin at FSB board meeting
– All attempts by Ukrainian DRGs to break through the Russian border have failed.
– Traitors involved in DRGs should be sought by name and punished without statute of limitations.
– The West has actively used cross-border radical terrorist groups against Russia, encouraging their aggression against the Russian Federation.
– Attempts to provoke inter-ethnic conflicts and violate the rights of Russians must be firmly suppressed.
– It is necessary to increase the combat readiness and equipment of the border forces not only on land but also at sea, above all on the Black Sea.
– Putin also thanked the FSB personnel for their patriotism and courage, including those shown during their work in Novorossiya and Donbass.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/91876

📌Belgorod border area, from the guys on the ground:
“The situation is tense, but controlled. They continue to come in hordes, we smash them with cast iron, but they are still coming. When you look from the copter, 30 people are lying dead. It seems that RVC and all this junk just were decided to be destroyed by us. There are a lot of “birds”, in the sky as if they were crows. FPV arrives almost every two minutes. It’s very difficult to move around without a mobile EW. But that’s okay, everyone is hanging in there. As always there are some problems with interaction, but in general nothing critical. By the way, our reconnaissance is working well. They’ve (AFU) started hitting civilians harder, it’s noticeable. Motherfuckers. They are breaking on us, so they decided to fight with civilians.”

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/91881

📢BREAKING: President Putin orders the FSB to seek revenge on all traitors:
😌”We will uncover the identities of all traitors, we will not forget any of them and we will punish each and every one of them regardless of where they are located.”

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/91883

❗️ A decision has been made to relocate about 9,000 children from Belgorod region to other regions due to shelling by the AFU, Governor Gladkov said.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/91887

The deputy commander of the “Azov” proposed to give the brigades the opportunity to mobilize themselves
He believes that a brigade reconnaissance company could mobilize a hundred men a week.
“ It’s simple, the brigade receives lists from the TCC and itself searches for draft dodgers. The fighters of the brigade are much more interested in replenishing the brigade, so bribes will not help ,” writes the Nazi.
Moreover, he added, these will not be “old grandfathers” who are now surrendering en masse , but “selected warriors” who managed to escape from TCC employees.
Until the last Ukrainian …

Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 19 2024 19:19 utc | 147

Exile @ 112
Agreed. Most of the 12 million in top right of the population pyramid.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 19 2024 19:32 utc | 148

Ukraine ambassador to Australia is upset that this has been made available to viewers:
Ukraine’s War: The Other Side
So may be worth viewing before it is taken down.

Posted by: jared | Mar 19 2024 19:36 utc | 149

France now openly going to war against Russia. Apparently France has already lost large numbers of troops in Ukraine, but instead of being rebadged as Ukraine troops, it looks like they will be in French uniforms and badges. Germany I assume is likely to send some along with the Baltics, perhaps as a multinational force all I assume under the badges of their countries rather than Ukraine badges.
If so that opens the way for Russia to strike back into those countries. I suppose it will depend on what Russian intel is seeing as to whether or not Russia chooses to strike into Europe.
I guess this will put the doomsday clock at about a second to midnight.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 19 2024 19:38 utc | 150

my own #148
It also takes a certain minimum number of healthy men to keep the lights on, drive trucks, deliver grocery, take care of all the old ladies. Ukraine does not have another million men to spare or even half that. All units are and have been under strength from the beginning. Not that many active fighters. Many of the actives do nothing but wait to die.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 19 2024 19:38 utc | 151

Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 19 2024 18:46 utc | 134
Yes, exactly.
In Italy we have a say for that, literally And roughly translates to ‘behave like a male gay but with someone else ass’

Posted by: Mario | Mar 19 2024 19:41 utc | 152

Yes, they are starting to evacuate Belgorod and settlements around it seems.
Where is the outrage in Russian society? Russian territory is getting attacked and maybe even taken.
They are talking about sanitary corridors while there is no indication that they have the means to enforce it. Also talking about traitors but no means to get to them and even if captured what does it matter a few years from now?
All rhetoric but no action it is how it looks to me.

Posted by: alek_a | Mar 19 2024 19:41 utc | 153

jared | Mar 19 2024 19:36 utc | 149
I watched it after seeing the nazi ambassador to oz was going nuts. Still typical British propaganda.
Does need a Russian speaker to watch it and check on the subtitles and also what was being said that was not translated. The BBC ‘reporter’ had a translator with him, but his voice could not be heard when translating for the BBC clown.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 19 2024 19:44 utc | 154

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 19 2024 11:03 utc | 9
As (like, I presume, you) I have never been through a Russian Army Officer Training Course, I prefer to leave the running of the war to President Putin and his Russian Army staff advisors.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Mar 19 2024 19:46 utc | 155

jpc | Mar 19 2024 10:20 utc | 1
*** When are the Ukrainians going to realise that the western world leaders couldn’t care less about them.
Their families.
Or country?
Just collateral damage.
Thank you for your service and onto the next proxy.***
Trouble is, the same can be said of NATO “leaders” and electorates.
Much of which still seem absurdly unable to see that the trans-national political establishment and its enforcement arm NATO are their greatest enemy, not protector as alleged.
And will even continue to vote for its political puppet front-groups at election time.

Posted by: Cynic | Mar 19 2024 19:48 utc | 156

Si macaron joue au con je suppose que les russes ont les moyens de lui rendre la monnaie de sa pièce, ceci en activant leurs spetznaz déjà présent sur le terrain. Donc attendons-nous a quelques sabotages bien pensé, genre déraillement de train, explosion de gazoduc, de raffineries,de dépôts pétroliers, incendies divers, coupures d internet, etc… A semer le vent, macaron récoltera la …

Posted by: Dubourg | Mar 19 2024 19:50 utc | 157

Another video from Korzhov from Mariupol – this one a tour an the left bank – side of Azovstal – to an unrestored neighborhood where a few older folks are squatting in the ruins as they wait for restoration to reach them – both bureaucratically and physically. Their documents were burned in the apartments during the active conflict. Interesting conversation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A20N6aRplps

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 19 2024 19:55 utc | 158

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 19 2024 11:51 utc | 23
“Ukraine is obviously screwed, but even if Russia strikes a deadly blow and takes it all, or whatever piece they want now this year say, then what? . . . Russia will still be getting hit with drones and missiles and has totally lost its naval and air freedom across the Black Sea.”
It’s usually a mistake to converse with trolls, but your post is so eminently stupid that I will make an exception this one time.
Who, in your fevered imagination, will be “hitting Russia with drones and missiles” if, as you also state, “Russia takes it all”?
Do you think there will be remnants of the Ukrainian Army, with “drones and missiles” in little enclaves that Russia will save specially so that they can play with their toys across the Black Sea? Or do you think the great bogeyman, NATO, will join in the fun? Dream on.
You and your shadow-pals should go back to your bunker and do a refresher course in propaganda – hint: credibility is the first tool to use.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Mar 19 2024 20:11 utc | 159

Do you think there will be remnants of the Ukrainian Army, with “drones and missiles” in little enclaves that Russia will save specially so that they can play with their toys across the Black Sea? Or do you think the great bogeyman, NATO, will join in the fun? Dream on.
Have you ever entertained the possibility that those drones and missiles could be fired from Polish and Romanian territory ?

Posted by: Micron | Mar 19 2024 20:18 utc | 160

Why was Obama really in London ?
It was something big that’s for sure. Israel or Ukraine ?
My guess is Israel and the English are about to start creating framing and narratives against Netanyahu, Chuck Schumer style.
He was definitely there on a visit to get the English lapdog back in the US pocket. We’ll find out soon enough I suppose. It wasn’t just to drop by for a cup of tea that’s for sure.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 19 2024 20:21 utc | 161

*** When are the Ukrainians going to realise that the western world leaders couldn’t care less about them.
Their families.
Or country?
Just collateral damage.
Thank you for your service and onto the next proxy.***
Trouble is, the same can be said of NATO “leaders” and electorates.
Much of which still seem absurdly unable to see that the trans-national political establishment and its enforcement arm NATO are their greatest enemy, not protector as alleged.
And will even continue to vote for its political puppet front-groups at election time.
Posted by: Cynic | Mar 19 2024 19:48 utc | 156

Ukrainians will never realize it, for the same reason NATO electorates happily elect their leaders. Because the whole media landscape is tightly owned and controlled, and 80% of the peasants believe what they see on TV or read on the Internet through “official” (Western-approved) news sources.
What remains is a small minority which is actually convinced to be among the winners by picking the US camp.
It’s time to let go of this romantic notion of a people’s uprising. The states have learned to better control the masses. See the Gilets Jaunes in my country. That’s the closest you had to a popular uprising, but still Macron controlled it easily because he had the riot police and the army solidly behind him.
Counting on the Ukrainians, or any other people, to revolt is thus a fantasy. The only way out is to strike at the top.

Posted by: Micron | Mar 19 2024 20:22 utc | 162

Posted by: watcher | Mar 19 2024 18:26 utc | 126
Yes. One of the pre-requisites for the re-making of the world is for the US to break up into four of five new states. Then we might have a chance to deal with global warming and ecological collapse. I hope I live to see the day, but it might take a while, or even civilisational collapse.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Mar 19 2024 20:25 utc | 163

Posted by: bevin | Mar 19 2024 17:14 utc | 103
Exactly right, particularly about the mass migrations on both sides of the Atlantic. Here in the USA, the vast majority of recent migrants (beginning ca. 2022) are Venezuelans fleeing ruthless, relentless and illegal economic sanctions warfare being waged against their country’s people. These began, of course, immediately following the revolution and Chavez coming to power, and especially under Bush II. The situation mostly simmered in the background for 8 years with Obama easing some of the policies, but at the same time with US petroleum/governmental interests colluding with the Saudis to help cause the price of oil, Venezuela’s sole major export, to plummet.
Along came Trump, and Random Guaydo, the fake opposition President, recognized by the US (and I believe captive OAS) as the rightful leader in exile, and a fresh round of nasty, illegal sanctions designed to immiserate the people of that country in an effort to force a regime change and a more favorable Venezuelan government. As with most such policies, they failed in their true aim and resulted in literal waves of Venezuelan migrants appearing at the US-MX border in completely unprecedented (and wildly unnecessary) numbers.
Rather than looking for root causes, the American media (both liberal and conservative) and government engaged the plebes in a massive campaign of PR for (or ostensibly against) building an Israel style militarized border wall. This of course is totally unworkable in the way that most American fantasists think is possible as a deterrent. The accompanying round of xenophobic, often racist PR was of course inevitable.
Same holds in the EU, except most migrants are fleeing NATO wars and/or CIA destabilization/regime change wars, sanctions and coup attempts. Again, rather than the mass media in Europe focusing on that root cause, being completely beholden vassals to Uncle Scam, xenophobia, fear mongering (much of it based on legitimate grievance), and racism is the fallback approach. Granted from my limited understanding of (and perhaps over-generalizing here) EU politics and social life, there are people with legitimate grievances. Did the everyday plebe get a chance to vote on radically altering his/her country’s demographics with ‘forced’ immigration? Of course not, so it was always bound to cause strife. And there are political parties who do focus on that root cause in Europe. But the answer to the problem is simple: Disengage from US/NATO wars in the Global South and seek peaceful relations with the countries, including those attempting to de-colonize themselves and stake out a fresh (often socialist) path forward.
At the end of the day, it’s what you said: Rabid, greedy, US-style capitalism and EU neo-colonialism doing everything possible to keep the Global South as subjugated, colonized and weak states open to extraction of their resources for pennies on the dollar and unfettered access for Western “banks” (ex. the IMF) to keep the populations in perpetual, usurious debt traps. This, of course, is exactly why we’re subjected to constant fear/war mongering horror stories any time China or Russia intervene in FUKUSNATO backed proxy wars and/or attempt to engage in good faith economic relations in Africa, SE Asia, the Middle East, and even Latin America.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 19 2024 20:32 utc | 164

Or was Obama’s visit to London about this
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/assange-defence-questions-why-obama-didn-t-seek-to-prosecute-him-20200915-p55w09.html
Julian Assange is about to be set free ?
It is such a terrible look at the moment if Assange is extradited. Is the West really that stupid to do it or is Assange about to go free ?

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 19 2024 20:36 utc | 165

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 19 2024 20:21 utc | 161
Or…perhaps a more cynical and insidious interpretation of Obama’s meeting(s) in the UK: Paving the way for more mass/forced migration of Gazan refugees to the EU and UK by way of the (first, not likely last) “port” allegedly being put in place on the coast of Gaza.
Assuming I’m wrong about that, then I think you are probably onto something. We could see a coordinated “western” campaign to marginalize and/or force from office Bibi Nutty-Yahoo. Which of course is simply applying lipstick to the Zionist settler-colonial pig.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 19 2024 20:38 utc | 166

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 19 2024 20:36 utc | 165
From your keyboard to God’s ears. Free Julian Assange!
But on that situation, I’ve been fooled so many time before…..

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 19 2024 20:39 utc | 167

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 19 2024 20:38 utc | 166
He was definitely there for a major reason. He hardly dropped by when he was president.
Something’s going down Tom.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 19 2024 20:43 utc | 168

I disagree. The West is not irrational.
Russia’s move in the Ukraine represents the gravest challenge to the Empire. It is an open act of defiance against the rules-based world order, which is just a nice way of saying “US hegemony over the rest of the world”.
So, it is rational, from my point of the view, that the collective West (US + appendages) is doing everything to counter Russia. It’s a question of precedent. ….
Posted by: Micron | Mar 19 2024 15:46 utc | 75
A quest for hegemony can be lucrative for some for a duration, but it can hollow an Empire until it decays. After all, besides priests, warriors and officials an Empire needs farmers, artisans etc. In modern times, you need industry. Perception of hegemony led to deindustrialization, it does not matter where a factory or a mine is located if it is within the hegemony, i.e. anywhere, so we just locate it to maximize profit. Ca. 1990, the West still had a wide advantage, but this advantage was evaporating, affecting 99% but not 1%.
Monetary cost of hegemony quest is somewhat trivial, the cost of diverting the attention of decision makers toward negative-sum game of geopolitics is enormous.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 19 2024 20:44 utc | 169

Posted by: Micron | Mar 19 2024 20:18 utc | 160
“Have you ever entertained the possibility that those drones and missiles could be fired from Polish and Romanian territory ?”
If they are fired from Polish and Romanian territory that would be an act of war, and would invite (possibly massive) retaliatory and legal strikes from Russia.
Have you ever entertained the possibility that either the governments of Poland and Romania are both mad and stupid, to that you are?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Mar 19 2024 20:48 utc | 170

Clarification: for a long time, the West had an advantage as a place to invest in industry and mining, and dependent on particular type of production, this advantage was evaporating, and eventually, most of that production migrated, slowly to Mexico, faster to Asian “tigers” and yet faster to China. This is what I meant by advantage.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 19 2024 20:49 utc | 171

Regarding Macron: When he mentions Ukraine losing would be an existential threat (which I disagree with, but for the sake of argument), does that mean he would use the Force de Frappe?

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 19 2024 20:52 utc | 172

Freeing Assange would be a supreme geopolitical move right now.
But as we all know these fookers are bat shit crazy.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 19 2024 20:53 utc | 173

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240319/french-troops-in-ukraine-may-be-play-by-macron-to-propel-himself-to-status-of-21st-century-sun-king-1117433277.html
3 hours ago
“France’s Defense Ministry denies the presence of French soldiers in Ukraine, or plans to send forces to the conflict-torn Eastern European country.”
So much for Micron and his delusions of competence

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Mar 19 2024 20:57 utc | 174

bevin ! 103
Lofl….that whole diatribe of yours, (shakes his head) trying to rationalize the how’s and why’s of this mess humanity is in. Wake the fug up dude. This is ALL a seriously evil plan concocted by a tribe of all-powerful and controlling juice…
Get rid of the leadership and all goes back to a normal, growing and productive picture of health for everybody. It’s as plain as the nose on your face! Stop trying to ridicule what you know nothing about! Get back to researching properly.

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 19 2024 21:11 utc | 175

Posted by: vargas | Mar 19 2024 12:46 utc | 28
‘Putin’s problem is that he is a rational person in an irrational world.’
Agree on this. The Russian side are dealing with people who are fanatics. Fanatics about their supremacy and divinity, apparently, according to God’s word. Fanatical in terms of their greed and avarice.

Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Mar 19 2024 21:17 utc | 176

Maybe the mass migration being encouraged and carried in the EU and USA isn’t just to drive wages ever downward, or as the latest idea floated by the right, to recruit armed forces with no historical or cultural ties and so capable of blindly suppressing the natives – the creation of an internal mercenary force against the EU and USA populations. Maybe it’s to have a labor force backstop to make up for the hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of western Europeans and American already factored in to die in Ukraine, Eastern Europe, and the Chinese theater?
BTW, on a side note, I think it is highly unlikely that immigrants escaping hopeless poverty for a better life for themselves and their families are going to join the armies of countries they have no sentiments and allegiance to, and certainly no jingoist brainwashing pumping them to join up. Could they be drafted? Sure, but I see that ending up like the NYC draft riots of the USA Civil War, unwanted social chaos in times of war.
What I’m certain of is the goal of open boarders is to build a USA-EU autocratic corporate super-state that can compete with autocratic civilization states like Russia, India, and China and to effect that they need to permanently destroy “vestigial” “retrograde” sentiments and allegiances to national identities. Woke plays strongly into that too, undermining traditional, emotional bulwarks.
Immigrants coming into the USA will give their unwavering support to those that let them in, the uni-party neocon autocrats doing-business-as the Democratic Party. In the EU the same, the millions of new immigrants will always sustain Brussels and so the Atlanticists, while remaining generationally suspicious of nationalist parties growing stronger throughout the EU and represented by MAGA in the USA.
If failing, politically exhausted, neoliberal parties in the USA and EU can’t defeat a “retrograde” challenge from the provincial right on the issues they can apply something similar to patronage politics where you bus in paid voters, instead pouring in immigrants. It would take a hell of a lot (but keep in mind you only have to achieve 51% of the vote) hence the wide open boarders you are seeing.
Final thought, killing off a fair part of the golden billion white males age 27-50 in WW3 would certainly facilitate the odds of creating an historically and culturally unfetterd woke corporate Atlanticist autocratic super-state.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 19 2024 21:25 utc | 177

PeterAU1 @ 150
What TF are you going on about dude??
There is NO way Putin is going to attack into France or Germany or even French/German assets outside of their borders. What the hell are you smoking brah? Get your shit together…

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 19 2024 21:26 utc | 178

@162 micron
Re: revolutions
Historically most successful revolutions involve a faction of the existing elite supporting it.
Virtually nothing from the ground up succeeds.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 19 2024 21:34 utc | 179

Echo Chamber @ 161
There you go, so someone else sees it! There is a schism forming in the west and there may be a difference in tactics in the way Gaza and possibly Ukraine are being executed. If Sunak starts bad-mouthing Satanyahu’s plans for Gaza then we will soon see some fireworks on display within the west. The juice will be flowing…

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 19 2024 21:35 utc | 180

Ukrainians will never realize it, for the same reason NATO electorates happily elect their leaders. Because the whole media landscape is tightly owned and controlled, and 80% of the peasants believe what they see on TV or read on the Internet through “official” (Western-approved) news sources.
It’s time to let go of this romantic notion of a people’s uprising. The states have learned to better control the masses. See the Gilets Jaunes in my country. That’s the closest you had to a popular uprising, but still Macron controlled it easily because he had the riot police and the army solidly behind him.
Counting on the Ukrainians, or any other people, to revolt is thus a fantasy. The only way out is to strike at the top.
Posted by: Micron | Mar 19 2024 20:22 utc | 162

This is true. The situation form the book “1984.” is our reality. Winston Smith has learned that his mind is above the reality. 2+2 can be 3, 4 6 or anything depending what the not-personal authority of the global capitalism. We can cal it deep state or “the collective west” or anything.
On the other hand, Ukraine is still very strong. It is very difficult for Russia to achieve the goals of SMO as their opponents in this war are fanatics and lunatics such as ISIS once was.
The west is deeply irrational. Even that seemingly selfish, capitalist anal urge to plunder and kill around the world is sick and mad.
The situation is very dangerous. If we consider the strategies:
The west -> optimal strategy is to escalate
Russia -> optimal strategy is not to escalate
This means, the west would escalate, ant it is already happening. The French would happily die in Ukraine and nobody will notice. After that Germans, Poles, Romanians, Danes… who knows.
Dima says that Putin would negotiate via China. If that is true it is an extremely stupid move.

Posted by: vargas | Mar 19 2024 21:37 utc | 181

Tom Q Collins @ 166
Lol, since there will be NO Exodus 2.0 from Gaza even into Egypt, there can be some thoughts to the City of London implementing the next phase of the plan to alienate certain Western (Nazi) Zionists so as to illuminate a more impactful picture for Russia and China to take a bigger part to facilitate the Great Migration of the City’s wealth to the East.

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 19 2024 21:43 utc | 182

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 19 2024 21:43 utc | 182
Lol, I’m glad someone is so sure of it at this early juncture. I guess the “port” and Obummer’s visit to London are all about getting more “aid” to the Gazans and not moving them elsewhere. OK, if you say so.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 19 2024 21:49 utc | 183

Lindsey Graham did not evade military service. From 1982 to 1988 he served as an active-duty military lawyer in the US Air Force’s Judge Advocate General Corps. In 1988, he transferred to the reserve of the US Air Force, from which he retired at the rank of colonel at the age of 60.

Posted by: Lysias | Mar 19 2024 21:51 utc | 184

Reports of Putin going to Xi, then Xi going to Macron, SUGGEST, ON THE SURFACE, that some sort of negotiations/peace deal might be in the offing.
But my reading is that Putin will be giving Macron (directly, and Ukr indirectly) *one last window* to reconsider escalating or else the hammer will drop from Russia. Putin, knowing full well that Zelensky and US/NATO *will not* accede to sensibleness, is trying to make Macron’s intended troops the trigger for a more serious effort to rid Ukraine of foreign interference. Xi will be carrying the message “Make no mistake, my good friend VVP has convinced me that he is deadly serious about his mission, and [maybe] China will support him in it”.
I’m not calling any outcome of these talks, because it all depends on US reaction to Putin’s ultimatum. But after his re-election, Putin now has 160M Russians behind him who are sick to death of Russia being challenged by the west. Enough of this bullshit! Time for a good war (if the West so choose) to put an end to it.
Will Macron blink?
Will the US finally listen to Putin?
Will Zelensky run away to Venezuela and cry into his pillow?

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 19 2024 21:52 utc | 185

RE: The “port” and next stage of relocating and erasing Gaza(ns).
https://scheerpost.com/2024/03/19/chris-hedges-israels-trojan-horse/

The “temporary pier” being built on the Mediterranean coast of Gaza is not there to alleviate the famine, but to herd Palestinians onto ships and into permanent exile.
iers allow things to come in. They allow things to go out. And Israel, which has no intention of halting its murderous siege of Gaza, including its policy of enforced starvation, appears to have found a solution to its problem of where to expel the 2.3 million Palestinians.
If the Arab world will not take them, as Secretary of State Antony Blinken proposed during his first round of visits after Oct. 7, the Palestinians will be cast adrift on ships. It worked in Beirut in 1982 when some eight and a half thousand Palestine Liberation Organization members were sent by sea to Tunisia and another two and a half thousand ended up in other Arab states. Israel expects that the same forced deportation by sea will work in Gaza.
Israel, for this reason, supports the “temporary pier” the Biden administration is building, to ostensibly deliver food and aid to Gaza – food and aid whose “distribution” will be overseen by the Israeli military.
“You need drivers that don’t exist, trucks that don’t exist feeding into a distribution system that doesn’t exist,” Jeremy Konyndyk, a former senior aid official in the Biden administration, and now president of the Refugees International aid advocacy group told The Guardian.
This “maritime corridor” is Israel’s Trojan Horse, a subterfuge to expel Palestinians. The small shipments of seaborne aid, like the food packets that have been air dropped, will not alleviate the looming famine. They are not meant to.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 19 2024 21:52 utc | 186

bisfugged | Mar 19 2024 21:26 utc | 178
More to the point, what world are you living in. No need, I can guess. The faggot west that thinks they can do anything to anybody and there will be no blowback.
Watch the march of the immortals. Russian minds do not live in the faggot west. They understand war and understand that war is coming.
How big that war gets is up to the faggot west who’s historical memory has been erased.
I was hoping hybrid WWII would stay just that but there is simply too much hubris in the west, the majority believing their own propaganda.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 19 2024 21:52 utc | 187

France sending 2000 troops is just the foot in the door, it’s not enough to change anything and just enough for a massacre, NATO probably has a Little Bighorn planned, then they can pour in the large NATO “rescue” force with the necessary air support, troops from all the Piss Colored Billion, from all directions Poland, Romania, Baltics. Ukraine will be freed up to strike hardest at Belgorod and Kursk forcing the Russians back from Kharkov, NATO will take Odessa and strike relentlessly at Crimea from a distance – plan B from the failure to get to Melitopol last summer.
It’s WW3 any way you look it, we all knew it was coming, a round of drinks on me, top shelf bartender. We can all stagger homeward after closing, holding each other up, singing Waltzing Matilda, of course the Eric Bogle version, here’s the Pogues doing it:
The Band Played Waltzing Matilda

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 19 2024 21:53 utc | 188

Posted by: Lysias | Mar 19 2024 21:51 utc | 184
Ah, well all’s good then. Thanks for the biography. Lindsey can go on about cheerleading the forced conscription of Ukraine’s only remaining generation of men capable of rebuilding the country and sending them into the meat grinder.
But however you state it, he DID avoid military COMBAT service, which is the…you know…actual point.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 19 2024 21:54 utc | 189

Apology for the couple of off-topic posts on the pier. More fitting for the Palestine thread, but the topic was mentioned…

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 19 2024 21:56 utc | 190

The New York draft riots occurred during a time of intense military operations in the US just a few days after the Battle of Gettysburg and the fall of Vicksburg. Nevertheless,the Union Army rather easily suppressed the riots.

Posted by: Lysias | Mar 19 2024 21:59 utc | 191

ENTIRE UKRAINIAN UNITS SURRENDER AMID RUSSIAN ADVANCE
Amid the ongoing Russian offensive on almost all Ukrainian frontlines, both on the eastern Donbass frontlines and in the south, Ukrainian servicemen are more and more despaired.
As it was in the first year of Russian military operations, entire Ukrainian units began to surrender to the Russian military. For example, the commander of a platoon of the 59th Separate Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) took a decision to save lives of his servicemen. As a result, at least 18 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered.
The incident took place in the village of Georgievka in the Donetsk People’s Republic. The Russian military began the assault of the village after they took control of the large Ukrainian stronghold in Mariinka. According to the reports from the area, Russian forces have recently advanced in the eastern part of the village and took control of all the quarters around the local water reservoir. Clashes are ongoing in the center of Georgievka.
Amid the ongoing Russian advance, the Ukrainian military command was forced to send additional units to reinforce the defense lines in the Kurakhovo area; but it turned out that these units were not ready to fight.
The commander of the platoon of the 59th Separate Brigade, who surrendered in Georgievka, explained that they were ordered to enter the village to support the defending Ukrainian units. They came under Russian artillery fire on their way to rotation. As a result, 4 servicemen were killed and 5 others were wounded before the platoon reached the village. The commander was surprised that the Ukrainian garrison in Georgievka was almost destroyed and there were almost no more forces to defend the settlement. In order to save lives of his subordinates, the commander decided not to enter the senseless battles and got in contact with the Russian military.
After two years of prolonged battles, Ukrainian servicemen understood that Russian servicemen do not torture the prisoners of war. The POWs are provided with all the necessary support in the Russian captivity.
Moreover, the commander of the platoon explained that his servicemen decided not to go back to Ukraine. They asked not to be included in the prisoner exchange lists because they would be imprisoned and thrown back onto the battlefield as soon as they returned to Ukraine.
The morale of the Ukrainian military is still low. Ukrainian servicemen are surrendering on all the frontlines. For example, on March 18, about 12 Ukrainian fighters were taken prisoners in the village of Krynki in the Kherson region. Abandoned by their comrades on the Russian eastern bank of the Dnieper, Ukrainian soldiers decided to save their lives and not to sacrifice their health for senseless defense of the small foothold in the ruined village.
https://southfront.press/entire-ukrainian-units-surrender-amid-russian-advance/

Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 19 2024 22:03 utc | 192

Posted by b.
“We need more people in the line,” he said.
Hmm – who is this “we” please? Is this meant as a pluralis majestatis or as an admission that the whole war is not about Ukraine but about the selfish aims of some lunatic clique in Washington DC?

I don’t hear Lindsay Graham condescending to Ukraine. He is clearly using “we” as in “Our Coalition Team to beat Russia”. That’s all. He’s just reiterating the “we are with you to the end”.
And he is quite serious about that. He’s the guy who let slip that the US has earmarked $6 Trillion to defeat Russia in the next 10 years (now 8). And he then stated “That seems like good value for money, to me.”
So yes, he sees Ukraine’s population as pawns in the bigger game. But that’s the way Zelensky called it.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 19 2024 22:06 utc | 193

Posted today
https://johnmenadue.com/the-vampire-ball-is-ending/
It says in published form what I wrote a littler earlier. No I did not plagiarise, cos I only just read it. Good site especially for Australians but pretty much all now

Posted by: watcher | Mar 19 2024 22:10 utc | 194

War till the last Ukrainian.
Meanwhile Micron is demanding war. France has 56 nuclear power plants. Ticking Fukushimas or Chernobyls. Way too many for a small country. Chernobyl times 56 may not spare most of his voters.

Posted by: Jason | Mar 19 2024 22:11 utc | 195

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 19 2024 11:03 utc | 9
It’s called active defence. RF has no need or desire to run fast westwards at this point. They are plodding slowly, attriting at 1000 KIA Ukies per day, minimal Ruskies, not winning fast, not losing at all, just toying and walking village by village.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 19 2024 22:13 utc | 196

About Romania …. Okay maybe this means nothing but near the end of my 8 years in the USNR they disbanded the Iceland Defence Force in 2006 (a NATO relic if there ever w Was one). Our joint unit (half army and half navy with a few roomies thrown in) was reassigned to EUCOM. The very first annual training detail was to friggin Romania.

Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Mar 19 2024 22:14 utc | 197

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 19 2024 16:52 utc | 97
Yes, the Romanian project has a strategic, political purpose to it, and SOME potentially operational function, if no more than needling Putin “see, you wanted NATO further away, but we’ve moved in closer. Ha ha”.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 19 2024 22:19 utc | 198

Israeli tactics to bring out underworld Ukie mafia. As spring is in full swing the large river flowing near Kiev is full. Few breakwaters and dams are the only safety measures Kiev has against mass flooding. Russia can bust those and block the natural flow of the river diverting it to Kiev.
This will flood the deep bunkers forcing their rats to surface allowing easy pickings. The flood will also disrupt drinking water supply to Kiev and surrounds. It will also take out military outposts and roadblocks. This paves way for Russian advances into the doomed capital for a swift win and an end to the war.

Posted by: Jason | Mar 19 2024 22:21 utc | 199

I’m french, pro-Russia and i have spoken with many people. I don’t think my advice is so representative of the French people but on the other side don’t expect French people to be as brainwashed as Ukranians to be so warmongers as our elites and MSM media and eager to send their children to die under a Russian bomb.
I think the dominant feeling is sympathy toward Ukraine because our medias have pictured them as victims of Putin’s megalomania and imperialism without questioning this narrative (the great majority has no time and curiosity to question this). Yet People are apathic and indifferent to this question (who in work or in family is discussing about Ukraine???) and it implies no ordinary people will accept to be drafted for this.

Posted by: America is defeated | Mar 19 2024 22:28 utc | 200