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March 2, 2024
Ukraine SitRep: Retreat Continues For Lack Of Defense Lines

On February 17, after Ukrainian units in Avdeevka had started to leave their position, the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian army, General Syrski, announced a retreat to new defense lines:

"Based on the operational situation around Avdiivka, in order to avoid encirclement and preserve the lives and health of the military, I decided to withdraw our units from the city and move to defense on more favorable lines," Syrskyi said.

He emphasized that Ukrainian soldiers had fulfilled their duty with dignity, did their best to destroy the best Russian military units and inflicted significant losses in manpower and equipment on the enemy.

"The lives of servicemen are the highest value. We will take back Avdiivka anyway," the Chief added.

As some had already predicted it turned out that the "more favorable lines" Syrski promoted did not exist.

On February 17, the same day Syrski announced the retreat, Strana already reported on the lack of new defense lines (machine translation):

Ukrainian photographers Konstantin and Vlada Liberov, who document the war, wonder around which Ukrainian city, next after Avdiivka, the Russians will try to push through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

They report this in their Instagram.

"So what is the next "fortetsia" – Pokrovsk? Or just Konstantinovka?", – write Liberov, criticizing the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine because of the lack of a second line of defense in Avdiivka.

"Where is the second line of defense? If you use the Deepstate map, "claws" around the city began to form almost a year ago. It certainly wasn't a surprise. So where's the second line of defense?" The Liberovs ask themselves.

"While the military was waiting for weapons for the Zaporozhye counteroffensive, the enemy passed through the fields, concreted trenches, built entire underground cities… Why didn't we do the same in Avdiivka? Moreover, a blind defense, the purpose of which is to deplete the enemy's forces, is like our official strategy.

Others confirmed the observation (machine translation):

West of Avdiivka, no significant defense line has been built for Ukrainian troops, and the Russian army continues to advance.

This was announced by the editor-in-chief of Censor, Yuri Butusov, following his trip to this area.

"There are no words. Gap: here in Kiev, the supreme commander-in-chief says one thing, but at the front something completely different is happening. I want to say that no field lines of fortifications have been built beyond Avdiivka so far. I saw Russian drones attacking our soldiers in their burrows in the middle of a field, " Butusov said.

According to him, no conclusions are drawn from previous failures.

"If the government can't find builders to build at least basic rear lines of defense, if they can't find engineers to maintain modern equipment, drones, sensors, communications, if they can't find workers and technologists to produce ammunition, then there will never be enough attack aircraft," the journalist added.

The government claimed to have allocated money to local authorities for building defense lines. But such money always seem to drain away before the first fortification gets finished.

A lack of serious organization and incompetence add to the picture (machine translation):

In the absence of fortified trenches in the east of the country, the engineering services of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are to blame.

This was stated in the social network X military engineer with the nickname Corsair.

As stated in a series of his posts, the heads of engineering services of brigades "do not know how to plan ahead and do not submit requests on time."

"When I arrive at a place, I have neither a map nor a proper justification. As a rule, they say: "We need to dig from that stump to planting." But that's not how it works. The defense should be solid, " Korsar wrote.

According to him, engineers do not have wood and concrete either, because "the brigades do not have the willpower to insist on this, and the AHS (operational-tactical group – Ed. ) do not have money."

For construction equipment, you need to sign contracts with businesses, but no one does this.

Since the loss of Avdeevka the Ukrainian forces had to fall back again and again. There are no natural barriers that could be used for defenses and there is no equipment and material to build defense lines across bare land.

Today even the New York Times took note of this:

Surprisingly Weak Ukrainian Defenses Help Russian Advance (archived) – New York Times, Mar 2 2024

Russian forces continue to make small but rapid gains outside of the eastern Ukrainian city of Avdiivka, attributable in part to dwindling Ukrainian ammunition and declining Western aid.

But there’s another reason the Kremlin’s troops are advancing in the area: poor Ukrainian defenses.

Sparse, rudimentary trench lines populate the area west of Avdiivka that Ukraine is trying to defend, according to a Times review of imagery by Planet Labs, a commercial satellite company. These trench lines lack many of the additional fortifications that could help slow Russian tanks and help defend major roads and important terrain.

Avdiivka became the site of a fierce standoff over the last nine months, emerging as one of the bloodiest battles of the war. When Russia captured the city on Feb. 17, its first major gain since last May, the Ukrainian Army claimed it had secured defensive lines outside the city.

But Russian troops have captured three villages to the west of Avdiivka in the span of a week, and they are contesting at least one other.

Avdeevka Feb 17 2024

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Avdeevka Mar 2 2024

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The Ukraine friendly Live UA map from where the above maps were copied is not fully up to date. The town Orlivka, still shown as Ukrainian, is already in Russian hands.

The next geographic feature that might be useful for defense is the north-to-south river and reservoir line 12 kilometer west of Orlivka. Nothing in between was prepared for a serious defense. It can not be held against any serious attacker:

Ukrainian commanders have had ample time to prepare defenses outside Avdiivka. The area has been under attack since 2014, and Ukraine has had a tenuous hold on it since Russia launched its full-scale invasion two years ago.

But the Ukrainian defenses outside Avdiivka show rudimentary earthen fortifications, often with a connecting trench for infantry troops to reach firing positions closest to the enemy, but little else.

But instead acknowledging that and instead of retreating to that river line the Ukrainian command is again throwing reserves into the already crumbling defenses.

Mr. Hrabskyi said Russia was currently preventing Ukrainian troops from shoring up their defenses by relentlessly bombarding them, including with powerful glide bombs carrying hundreds of tons of explosives that can smash through even well-prepared fortifications.

“The quality of these defensive lines cannot be good enough to resist massive bulldozer tactics by the Russian forces,” Mr. Hrabskyi said.

The current political uproar in Europe and the U.S. about the war in Ukraine is an acknowledgment of the fact that Russia is certain to win this fight. I do not expect any serious consequences coming from it.

It will simply take a few more weeks of discussions until resignation sets in.

Comments

Posted by: canuck | Mar 3 2024 3:08 utc | 177
I hate to say this old man, but you let this particular pussy out of the bag. What do you expect when you seek to correct me with a puerile ‘gotcha!’ (‘Oh no, on the contrary…’) without pausing to think perhaps it is you that is failing to grasp a subtle point for which you lack the requisite knowledge? I mean, are you deeply familiar with the reception of Epicureanism in 18th and 19th century philosophy? And yet you feel the need to pull out what little you know, only for it to remove all doubt about little you do, in fact, know.
There was once a commenter Canuck
Could only glance at the back of a book
What he most hated
Were posters well-educated
“I prefer my own gobbledygook”

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 3 2024 5:05 utc | 201

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 2:59 utc | 172

You’re right Arch, I agree. There will be no Russian victory in Ukraine.

That is where we will have to disagree and not what I was asserting.
My assertion was purely that:
NATO will have no choice but to enter Ukraine to confront Russia directly.

The best they can hope for is a contested stalemate along a line of control, and that’s it. Ukr and the US (Nato) will not surrender or sue for peace agreement ever.

This is materially not true. In fact, Russia has already won:
The victory they’ve won is measurable in the material economic value of the landmass and population they now control in Ukraine. Some of the most prime agricultural, industrial and geopolitical real-estate on the planet. Loot.
Moreover, Russia’s current victories include those made off the battlefield: The re-engineering of global economic flows, contributions to de-dollarisation, de-emphasis of SWIFT etc. I could go on ad Pepe Escobarium
Even if the lines froze now, the map reflects a net Russian gain. A net NATO defeat.

Add to that Russia (and China) are far too timid to directly take on Nato or the US. Look at Syria and the rest of the world for multiple examples of this.

To be fair, NATO/US is too timid to take on China or Russia directly. So, stalemate.

That and Putin is weak as piss. He always has been. He is dumb as shit to imagine the US calling him up to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Russia in Ukraine.

If Putin was ‘weak as piss’ as you put it, Russia would look like Iraq. Saddam was “weak as piss”. Gaddaffi. Assad. Sisi. MBS … That’s what “weak as piss” looks like.
Putin may be weak, but not weak enough for the entire NATO coalition to give Russia the Syria, Iraq, Libya treatment, evidently.

As dumb as he was to believe in the Minsk agreements of 2014/15 ….. utter idiocy!

How do you know he actually “believed” in Minsk?
Putin was merely following protocol with Minsk.
He was playing the standard game of diplomacy:
“Smiling at the tiger while searching for a rock”
In the meantime he was preparing the Russian economy and military for the inevitable.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 3 2024 5:37 utc | 202

His team has learned from him, thus exhibiting the fact that Putin’s not just a leader but a mentor. Recall who he called Russia’s elite and the best qualified to lead Russia in the future.
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 3 2024 4:36 utc | 194
Brings to mind the Russian government reshuffle sometime perhaps around 2018 or sometime after when it was clear the fight was inevitable. Those that had played a big part in Russia pulling itself out of he nineties where moved to a council of elders to concentrate solely or mostly on international affairs and a younger generation filled their positions, in I think Putin’s words “to take Russia into the future”. Young minds looking to Russia’s domestic needs/future and the older ‘experienced in the ways of the world’ minds to take Russia into the geo-political future.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 5:47 utc | 203

But, imo, to this end, Russia’s clear nuclear superiority assures that the M.A.D. doctrine will prevent WWIII. Conventional warefare will just drag on and on and on, just like it has for hundreds of years.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 3 2024 3:30 utc | 181
That’s not a good outcome for Russia.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 3 2024 4:49 utc | 197

Well, I can’t see the Outlaw US giving up on a forever war against Russia until it is made to give up on all global meddling.
And, quite frankly, it seems that Russia has a far better domestic economy to produce and make war (ie, defend itself) on the continent ad infinitum than does Europe and the US. Plus, with Russia’s BRICS-ey mates, the US might crumble before RF. So forever might actually end in 5, 10, 20 years when the End of Empire comes around to those who have abused their great power.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 3 2024 5:50 utc | 204

Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 5:47 utc | 201–
Thanks for your reply. The current governor of Kaliningrad is an excellent example of that youth. The Team won’t all retire when Putin does in 2030. Another question few have asked is Lavrov’s replacement. How to keep the mojo rolling? Easy, there’s so much work to do.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 3 2024 5:59 utc | 205

How do you know he actually “believed” in Minsk?
Putin was merely following protocol with Minsk.
He was playing the standard game of diplomacy:
“Smiling at the tiger while searching for a rock”
In the meantime he was preparing the Russian economy and military for the inevitable.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 3 2024 5:37 utc | 200

I’ll skip the rest because I did miss your actual point.
I know Putin “believed” in Minsk because of what he said at the very beginning, and every day since. Putin (his team) wrote it, They pushed for it. His “diplomatic” skills and Russian militia support in the Donbass forced Ukr, Germany & France to adopt it.
I take him at his word, otherwise he’s a liar. See?
Plus Russia was not ready for 2022 Feb .. the Ukraine was. They were about to attack in force. It was Nato and Ukr that were smiling at the tiger and collecting “rocks” not Putin.
Preparing for the “inevitable”?
That was the negotiated Istanbul peace agreement that left the entire Donbass region and all the Ethnic Russians to a life under the Neo-Fascist Ukraine regime in Kiev, excluding Crimea.
This is what was acceptable to Putin in March-April 2022 ….. and show his “good faith” to this he willingly withdrew all his Military from around Kiev back to Russian territory.
Not long after his military was in deep shit inside Ukraine. Then he changed his tune completely.
Putin changed his mind to what it should have been like in 2008, in 2014/15, and at February 2022 …. he’s intelligent. He is not smart. He is not a wise capable General nor a decent Commander in Chief.
Such a leader would never have “blinked” and pulled back his forces … and he would have had +500K ready to go in reserves as well, instead he had NONE!
People need to stop letting their genuine good leanings turn into unfounded confirmation biases. (smile)
Just because one appreciates the good qualities and values espoused doesn’t mean Putin is the smartest person (saint) ever to walk this earth.
AS to “winning” …. well I agree with Putin here in the Carlson interview. Or was he lying yet again?
Russia has not won in Ukraine. Putin has not achieved his own SMO Goals. I listed them above.
I added, they will not and cannot win in Ukraine or achieve his SMO Goals. There will be no security treaty with Ukr, Nato or the USA and Russia. Not going go happen. They will not surrender or sue for Peace with Russia with Putin as President.
NOT going to happen. Why? Because they are insane psychopaths, that’s why. It’s about time PUTIN himself worked this out and acted accordingly for once! 🙂

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 6:37 utc | 206

Horne
“I think taxpayers and US citizens should ask themselves how all these think thanks and bureaucrats at the State Department and Pentagon… manage this kind of potential quagmire that NATO and the United States are now enmeshed in?”…’
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240302/ukraine-is-major-defeat-for-west-who-has-been-dominating-planet-earth-1117093474.html
@ bevin | Mar 3 2024 4:38 utc | 196

Horne is dreaming. Not going to happen. US citizens and taxpayers are a core part of the problem, the cause. They are useless and only ever care about themselves their insatiable greed and self-centeredness, self-importance, and in their almost total ignorance of the world and human decency and morality.
Only overwhelming military force and their total defeat will ever make an ounce of difference to the pathological people of America. Until then forget it.
So no, not going to wake up anytime soon if ever.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 6:53 utc | 207

Macron and Sunak have no options left but to launch nukes at Russia. But do they have the balls to do this?
And will the launches be successful? UK last 2 SLBM tests ended in utter failure. So, will they, won’t they, will we all die?
Will Shadowbanned have an aneurysm from contemplating this nonsense? Will there be a general sigh of relief at the Bar?
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Meanwhile for the grownups, what’s with the finger pointing and blame game going on with NATO member states? Have those cracks now become serious rifts?

Posted by: Suresh | Mar 3 2024 7:10 utc | 208

I personally find it weird how readily some people, even here, take the “revealed” Istanbul agreement details at face value as a complete and whole truth. I would like to anchor the point that Russia or Turkiye never released any of the official documents publicly (RF maintains diplomatic courtesy on principle, it seems), nor were the negotiations actually completed. Yet those who readily portray RF president as weak tend to take sources like WSJ as gospel as long as it fits their version of reality.
I wonder if a so-called-Western source would release any mention regarding, for example, the ukrainian nazis, while denying their existence (including retroactively, though deleting their own pre-2022 articles). I wonder if they would be interested in mentioning ethnic oppression by the state they glorify. The “leak” is perhaps a genuine piece of the negotiation process, but I refuse to take it as the whole truth for granted from known liars with a known agenda without corroboration.
@ Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 6:37 utc | 204

I added, they will not and cannot win in Ukraine or achieve his SMO Goals. There will be no security treaty with Ukr, Nato or the USA and Russia.
Not going go happen. They will not surrender or sue for Peace with Russia with Putin as President.
NOT going to happen. Why? Because they are insane psychopaths, that’s why. It’s about time PUTIN himself worked this out and acted accordingly for once!

Should president Putin kill himself then? Retire? Or just end the world already perhaps?These ramblings are growing ever more insane with every post you make and you have made a lot the last few days. Perhaps you should genuinely take a break. Demilitarization and denazification goes on, regardless of anybody’s own version of reality.

Posted by: boneless | Mar 3 2024 7:15 utc | 209

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Mar 2 2024 17:59 utc | 22
The relatively long war is also caused by Putin’s new and admirable style of peer-to-peer warfare. It’s not ‘total war’ but an ‘active defense’ that minimizes civilian and Russian military casualties to an astounding degree. This caught all unbiased analysts by surprise simply because this style of warfare seems never to have been done before.

Posted by: fairleft | Mar 3 2024 7:16 utc | 210

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Meanwhile for the grownups, what’s with the finger pointing and blame game going on with NATO member states? Have those cracks now become serious rifts?
Posted by: Suresh | Mar 3 2024 7:10 utc | 206
Possibly is the start of WTSHTF.
If it is so, wait for more shit.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 3 2024 7:25 utc | 211

Another question few have asked is Lavrov’s replacement. How to keep the mojo rolling? Easy, there’s so much work to do.
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 3 2024 5:59 utc | 203
I look at the talent pool in Russia’s diplomatic pool and there are no end of very capable candidates of all ages there.
My thought is that Putin, health permitting, will see out the demise of the US empire and then hand on to a younger generation to take Russia into a new future, himself retiring to the council of elders.
I forget Putin’s exact age at the time, but he was less than forty when Yeltsin appointed him PM, and it is worth remembering Yeltsin’s speech when he appointed Putin as the interim president.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 7:54 utc | 212

Peter AU 1 @ 210:
Putin was born in early October, 1952. I forget the exact day, it may have been October 5 or 7. He would have been about 46 or 47 years old when he was appointed interim President in 1999.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 3 2024 8:03 utc | 213

Putin is not Russia, and he is anything but weak.
Look:
“Since the beginning of the special military operation, a total of 575 aircraft, 267 helicopters, 13,969 unmanned aerial vehicles, 476 anti-aircraft missile systems, 15,323 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 1,227 multiple rocket launchers, 8,259 field artillery and mortars and 19,257 special military vehicles have been destroyed.”
This is the state of things as of yesterday.
When I follow your posts, one thing strikes me.
You have no strategic patience.So you think tactically.
When the question is-to be or not to be-,tactical thinking is that of the West…is thinking like losers do!

Posted by: Oberbayer | Mar 3 2024 8:08 utc | 214

Posted by: Oberbayer | Mar 3 2024 8:08 utc | 212
The addressee is L-dog

Posted by: Oberbayer | Mar 3 2024 8:10 utc | 215

Refinnejenna | Mar 3 2024 8:03 utc | 211
Thanks. I looked it up. Should have done so earlier. “born 7 October 1952”
I had had the impression from something I read in the past he was younger and he certainly looked younger at the time. I was a decade out.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 8:13 utc | 216

Re: Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 2 2024 19:35 utc | 57

No I don’t foresee this conflict being over especially not in earnest from the Ukrainian/Wests angle.
German chancellor Merkel lied to stall Russia, and to allow Ukraine to be ready to go to war with Russia, I think the west along with Ukraine will use that tactic again in the near future.

The tactic of signing agreement in bad faith and lying about it?!?
Why would Russia sign any such agreement in the first place? Or do you think the Russians are also lying? Given the Russians have repeatedly said they WILL NEVER SIGN ANOTHER SUCH AGREEMENT WITH THE AGREEMENT INCAPABLE WEST?!?
Do you think the Russians are lying and they will sign such an agreement?
Why not just go all the way to the Hungarian border then they won’t have to sign any agreement either.

Posted by: Julian | Mar 3 2024 8:22 utc | 217

US Presidential POLL Numbers never fall when there is a new active war unfolding. Never! It is alwasy USA USA USA 24/7
Will people please wake up and get real? 🙂
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 3:35 utc | 182
Tell that to the ghost of Truman. Truman’s approval rating in 1950 was 46 percent, it down immediately after the Korean War started. In 1952 it was 22 percent. Eisenhower won on an antiwar platform.
You may scoff at American democracy, and there is much to scoff at, but leaders need some form of popular legitimacy if they want to fight a war. If they were going to intervene, they would have done so by now.

Posted by: James M. | Mar 3 2024 8:27 utc | 218

You know I was just realizing something today, for all those who think NATO is going to intervene, think about it this way. The US and its allies are going through all the stages of grief. To wit:
Anger – How dare Russia do this, we will punish them. Give them sanctions, and Ukraine weapons, that’ll teach them.
Denial – Russia has lost 1.2 million men in meat-wave attacks, and Putin has died four times from cancer, and been couped twice. Russia will lose, Russia will lose.
Bargaining – Well, we can make a frozen conflict, how about we freeze the conflict, maybe give Russia Crimea and the Donbas. Will you take that Mr. Putin?
And finally will come: Acceptance – Looks like Russia won and we lost. It may take them a little time, but it will happen.

Posted by: James M. | Mar 3 2024 8:36 utc | 219

Why not just go all the way to the Hungarian border then they won’t have to sign any agreement either.
Posted by: Julian | Mar 3 2024 8:22 utc | 215
This is also an option. It’s not like the West is going to be able to stop the Russians.

Posted by: James M. | Mar 3 2024 8:38 utc | 220

I look at the talent pool in Russia’s diplomatic pool and there are no end of very capable candidates of all ages there.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 7:54 utc | 210
Ryabkov springs to mind. He has the wit, the swagger and the clear minded logical analytical approach.
If only Churkin were still around, he was the G.O.A.T.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 3 2024 8:57 utc | 221

for all those who think NATO is going to intervene
Posted by: James M. | Mar 3 2024 8:36 utc | 217
Why use imagination when you can use real facts: 40 drone attack in Crimea last night. Another drone attack in Leningrad, also last night.
And this unconfirmed fact is also very probable to be true and not the first time (twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1764188254947946846) – “three NATO aircraft flew into Ukrainian airspace from Romania today. simulated missile strikes from the territory of the Mykolaiv region in the Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet”

Posted by: rk | Mar 3 2024 8:57 utc | 222

lots still happening re Donetsk…improving?
In the Donetsk region, the Russian Army eliminated more than 390 Ukrainian troops, two tanks and two armored combat vehicles, along with nine other vehicles, the ministry said. In the course of counter-battery fire, a UK-made AS-90 self-propelled artillery unit, a Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery unit, three Gvozdika self-propelled artillery units, three D-20 howitzers, a US-made M119 howitzer, a Strela-10 anti-aircraft missile system, a US-made AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery radar station, and an electronic warfare station were hit, the ministry added. A field ammunition depot was also targeted
via sputniknews

Posted by: Jo | Mar 3 2024 9:13 utc | 223

Article by Armchair Warlord on Pantsir AD systems, and how they calculate the radar cross section of Shadow storm missile and F-35.
The conclusion is Pantsir regularly engages Shadow Storms to the point where it is pretty much neutralized, and F-35 will not be able to reliably penetrate any air defense screen as it is many times more visible than the Shadow Storm.
https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1764174449807643034

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 9:16 utc | 224

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 2 2024 19:21 utc | 46
About one point in Big Serge new essay: the strategic importance of Avdeyevka. Disagreeing with those trying to diminish the importance of Avdeyevka, Big Serge writes:

In fact, Avdiivka is clearly a locale with great operational significance. A Ukrainian fortress since the beginning of the Donbass War in 2014, Avdiivka served as a keystone blocking position for the AFU on the doorstep of Donetsk, sitting on a major supply corridor.

Big Serge is correct in emphasizing the strategic importance of Avdeyevka (and its surrounding towns and fields) but he falls short. Avdeyevka was such a strong fortress for ukrops because this was the position from which they were supposed to achieve the re-conquest of Donetsk City and the whole of the Donbass once Western economic sanctions had weakened Russia. Losing Avdeyevka means all hope of not losing the war is gone.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 3 2024 9:17 utc | 225

Deployment of NATO forces to Ukraine is now sure, according to Dima.
The most important problem is that Russia wants to avoid war with NATO, on the contrary NATO wants this war as soon as possible.
The West would use these soldiers as human shield and if Russia would attack them, a massive air assault on Russia would follow.
The weak Putin’s politics of “lose red lines” has this situation as a consequence.

Posted by: vargas | Mar 3 2024 9:17 utc | 226

James M. | Mar 3 2024 8:27 utc | 216
You need to troll back to the 1950s for some ‘evidence’ to support your argument?
Seriously, that’s not an argument, that’s an admission that you know you’re wrong. 🙂

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 9:21 utc | 227

@ 220.
Fascinating, but how is any of this going to make up for the AFU’s horrible manpower situation?
Plus three aircraft! That’s 10% of what the UK just had to scrap, due to lack pilots, parts & funding.
I’ve said before, whatever chance NATO had to intervene came & went in 2022. When Ukraine was a strong as it was ever going to get.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 3 2024 9:23 utc | 228

Julian | Mar 3 2024 8:22 utc | 215
“Why would Russia sign any such agreement in the first place? Or do you think the Russians are also lying? Given the Russians have repeatedly said they WILL NEVER SIGN ANOTHER SUCH AGREEMENT WITH THE AGREEMENT INCAPABLE WEST?!?
Do you think the Russians are lying and they will sign such an agreement?”

The political leadership was ready and eager to do Minsk III just a few days after launching the “SMO”. No matter how many times Putin acknowledges in principle that the West is agreement non-capable, so far he seems incorrigible
in his unrequited love for the West. Therefore it’s certainly possible he’d still make an agreement which fails all the necessary Russian war goals, if the West would just make some less-hostile noises while asking to “negotiate”.
As for me I can’t imagine why Russia would want anything to do with the West, let alone carry such a torch for it the way Putin has always done.
“Why not just go all the way to the Hungarian border then they won’t have to sign any agreement either.”
Attaining the land bridge to Hungary and Serbia certainly is a litmus measure of Russian success in the theater war. It’s necessary if the Orban government is to be able to buck the EU in any significant way. We already see how the go-slow SMO has been too slow for Orban to continue resisting various malign EU and NATO measures.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 3 2024 9:23 utc | 229

Posted by: James M. | Mar 3 2024 8:36 utc | 217
Stages of grief aside, NATO *has to* intervene or else the entire Anglo-Zionist Empire is finito.
Perhaps my 12-point list earlier didn’t make it clear enough, but non-intervention is not “optional”.
The question of Ukraine has now become an existential one for NATO-Europe and the Anglo-Zionist empire based in London and Washington.
Lavrov’s Dog’s arguments aside (I’ll pick them up later) Putin doesn’t have to “win” in terms of achieving every single one of his 3 core military objectives in Ukraine: All he has to do is deny the use of Ukrainian territory for any of the strategic (economic, military, political) objectives of the West.
He’s already achieved that to a large extent. Completion of this transformation of Ukraine into hostile territory for NATO will severely undermine the West economically and politically. It may not be a cut to the jugular, but it’s a severing of hamstrings.
And, as I put forward earlier, the West cannot allow this …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 3 2024 9:32 utc | 230

This war is in reality not existential for the West, but western elites wanted to present is as such and they are trying to do that.
In fact it is only ideologically essential, but that is more then enough for them to attack Russia.
The West is not afraid of anything as it is not ashamed of anything.

Posted by: vargas | Mar 3 2024 9:38 utc | 231

You have no strategic patience.So you think tactically.
When the question is-to be or not to be-,tactical thinking is that of the West…is thinking like losers do!
Posted by: Oberbayer | Mar 3 2024 8:08 utc | 212
I think holistically and I remember what happened yesterday and in 2022, and 2021, and 2014/15, and in 2007/2008 …. and I stick by what I have said. The Russian military are tough as nails. But Putin is no general or commander in chief. His decisions have been terrible STRATEGICALLY FOR DECADES …. simply open your eyes and look at the WHOLE HISTORY HOLISTICALLY … it is as plain as day.
He’s very intelligent, he has solid values, good morals, but he is a weak military geopolitical leader, he is scared, timid and indecisive and not wise. His MINSK accords were a joke. His believing Ukr France and Germany would abide by them was as DUMB as DIRT as you can get. What? Merkle lied? What a shocker.
He built the Nordstream 2 despite how dumb and risky it was. The US said they would never let it send any gas to Europe. Putin built it anyway with no protections and no guarantees and paid for it. Idiot!
Putin sat on his hands for 8 years while the US built up a 500,000 Army and gave them all the armaments they needed. But you think I think like a LOSER? (shaking my head in disbelief)
Putin had next to nothing and he still tried to invade ….. DUMB …. look at what has happened since 2008.
Look what has happened since Feb 2022 … yes. How many lives have been lost? Both Russian Military and Ethnic Russian Ukrainians — how many? You missed that count. Putin is no Strategic or Tactical genius.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 9:42 utc | 232

@ vargas | Mar 3 2024 9:17 utc | 224

NATO wants this war as soon as possible.

The whole point of a proxy is to let it fight instead of you. NATO has avoided any excuse to enter the war proper so far. They can invent a score more on the spot if they needed any. Besides, there is no indication NATO is in any shape to supply a whole another force on that battlefield. There is certainty faction fighting and attempts to trick each other to send theirs first, setting up the blame game again. Currently, it can not happen in any meaningful way and the actual military knows it.
Also, Dima from MilitarySummary has said so many things over the two years, including other instabilities of NATO troops and multiple secret deals. Dima puts in valuable work compiling, geolocating and reporting battlefield progress. He is, unfortunately, prone to flights of fancy regarding anything else. It is a mistake to take his conclusions for granted.

Posted by: boneless | Mar 3 2024 9:48 utc | 233

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 2 2024 19:21 utc | 46
Another point made in Big Serge new essay:

Ukraine’s force structure is always notoriously difficult to parse out, due to their propensity for ad-hoc battlegroups and their practice of piecemeal allocation of forces to resident brigade commands (turning brigade headquarters into the cups in a shell game). Truth be told, Ukrainian ORBAT and force allocation is in a class all its own […].

This is because Ukrainian ORBAT is unique in not having as main purpose to achieve battleground objectives. Battleground objectives are Ukrainian ORBAT’s secondary objetive. The main objective is to produce an economic surplus to distribute among commanders. That’s why they create ad hoc battlegroups, because corruption opoportunities are fundamentally ad hoc themselves.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 3 2024 9:50 utc | 234

I personally find it weird how readily some people, even here, take the “revealed” Istanbul agreement details at face value as a complete and whole truth.
Posted by: boneless | Mar 3 2024 7:15 utc | 207
Look, please pay attention for one short moment. Putin himself in the Carlson interview barely a couple of weeks ago, intended as another APPEAL to the US to please enter into peace/ceasefire negotiations with us, pointed out yet again for the UMPTEENTH TIME how important and how close the Istanbul Negotiations got to an AGREEMENT to stop fighting and for Russia to return to the Borders as at February 2022. THat all would have been well back then.
PUTIN said it – not me. Putin has used the itemised agreements multiple times since April 2022! So please take your insulting opinionated conjectures and shove it. I am not interested in your opinions about me at all, not ever. 🙂

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 9:59 utc | 235

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 3 2024 9:50 utc | 232
Ukraine often leaves their depleted units into existence, consequentially a lot of them may be at half or less strength. They say they are pulled back to ‘reconstitute’, but that might be much harder to do nowadays.
As you said, leaving them into existence might enable more opportunities to steal funds, as there is still a possibility to claim soldiers are MIA. If the depleted force is dismantled and combined to another force, then there will be a completely new roster of soldiers and the possibility will be eliminated.
Also there are several cases when parts of the unit can be found in completely different locations of the front which makes them seem not coherent. So units are broken into bits and pieces and often end up in many different places as a consequence of fire brigade defense.
All these are only tiny data points but they make an interesting picture when you start putting them together.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 10:04 utc | 236

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 2 2024 19:21 utc | 46
Further comments on Big Serge new essay. He writes on Zalushny:

Ultimately, Zaluzhny strikes one as a non-entity: skeptical of Ukrainian battle plans, but willing to implement them anyway without offering alternatives of his own. In particular, his hesitation led the Ukrainian counteroffensive to devolve into a sequence of wasteful probing attacks which lacked the mass to achieve a decisive result and inevitably spiraled into a slow motion trainwreck. A commander who complains about battleplans while implementing them anyway is begging an obvious question: what is it that you do around here, anyway?

Lol! Clearly Big Serge is a person with military background so he has trouble understanding Zalushny and the Ukrainian side of the war, whose the main thrust and motivation is economic, not military or political.
So here is the resolution to Big Serge’s befuddlement: Zalushny as military knew that Ukrainian battle plans were doomed to fail but Zalushny as CEO of the Ukrainian military side of the war implemented those plans to grab the economic surplus from corruption opportunities for himself and his faction.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 3 2024 10:09 utc | 237

@ Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 9:59 utc | 233
Fatigue must be getting to you. You are hallucinating an imagined appeal now, then connecting that fantasy to a 22 month old preliminary agreement. Preliminary agreement, details of which are still not disclosed in their entirety, with the sticking point to you personally coming from intelligent service mouth-peaces of the Russian enemy.

Posted by: boneless | Mar 3 2024 10:10 utc | 238

How many of the eternal optimists here forgotten that almost half (?) of Russia’s Army in the Ukraine in mid-2022 suddenly up and left because their Military Contracts expired?
I repeat, Putin is no Commander in Chief. Putin is no Strategic or Tactical genius.
How many of you have forgotten the comical setting of Putin alone at his large desk asking all the important people in his cabinet one by one, televised publicly for all to see, while snapping back at them, ridiculing some of them, to tell him what they think about Ukraine and if Russia should invade or not?
Who in the Western world has been cowered or feels threatened by what Putin said in interview ‘ to the west’ with Tucker Carlson the other week?
Nobody! Not one. In fact the complete opposite. No one is scared of Putin or Russia’s military and what they might do in response to a US / NATO escalation.
Putin has absolutely no idea how to effectively communicate with western leaders or the citizenry to Russia’s advantage. No clue at all.
Psychologically Putin is more like Colonel Custer the day before the Battle of the Little Bighorn.
Not in touch with reality! (smile)

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 10:17 utc | 239

Lavrov’s Dog @ 230:
The Russian President does not need to be a genius military strategist. Even the Russian Minister for Defense Sergei Shoigu does not need to be a military strategist; his background was originally in civil engineering. Military strategy is the job of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and the head of the General Staff is Valery Gerasimov.
Russian army tactics during its SMO so far have minimised civilian casualties caused by Russian firepower in the contested areas in eastern Ukraine and Russian military casualties, contrary to what you may have seen in Western news media, are actually very low compared to Ukrainian military casualties. A number of objectives – among them, the seizure and destruction of 40+ biological / medical laboratories around Ukraine running secret projects for the Pentagon, and the seizure of as many documents from those laboratories as possible – have already been achieved.
Whatever strategies the Russian army is using in its SMO, they are achieving several major results, of which one is wearing down Ukrainian forces and reserves, and depleting the AFU’s stocks of weapons, ammunition and equipment so much so, that even the replacements sent by various NATO and allied nations including Australia and Japan are clearly not enough. The strategies being used clearly have long-term goals and objectives in mind.
Few MoA barflies here can presume to know what strategies are preferred by the Russians, and the context and principles the Russians operate on that favour such strategies. If they are working for the Russians, and they appear to be working thoroughly and in depth, who are we to judge that they are failing?
In contrast to the four, going on five, mobilisations of the AFU, to my knowledge there has only been one major mobilisation by the Russians and that was restricted to people already in the country’s National Guard or army reserves. There has been some conscription of able-bodied men of draft age, but those conscripts will not be sent to fight at the front if they are required to serve in the SMO.
Nor was Putin responsible for planning or building the Nordstream II pipelines: the pipelines were built by Nord Stream 2 AG, a Swiss-based subsidiary of the Russian state energy company Gazprom, and the project was financed by Gazprom and several European energy companies including Shell PLC (British), Engie (French), Wintershall Dea GmBH (German), Uniper (German) and OMV Group (Austrian).

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 3 2024 10:21 utc | 240

Ah i see, we are now pushing the “nobody is scared“ narrative, as seen per some barflies here.
Before that, it was the “economy in tatters“, “no missiles left“ and my favourite, a “gas station“.
Spinsters are not what they used to be anymore. The quality is just sad.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 3 2024 10:24 utc | 241

@ Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 10:17 utc | 237
Appealing to the citizens of another country is not Russian government’s job. Threatening other countries in both speeches and actions to keep them too terrified to do anything is not Russian strategy. What you are advocating for are tactics of a terrorist state. Russia is not a terrorist state.

Posted by: boneless | Mar 3 2024 10:29 utc | 242

Ukraine’s vaunted ‘bread basket’ soil is now toxic.
Two years of war has left roughly one-third of its territory polluted, with dire potential consequences for the world’s food supply
Posted by: Apollyon | Mar 2 2024 21:20 utc | 86

Yeah, I think about that EVERY DAY, watching the videos of fields + forests + villages + towns + cities full of potholes, shrapnel, unexploded ordnance, trenches, fuel spills, rubbish, body parts (not including the undocumented burial sites), electronics, destroyed utilities, etc. It makes me ponder the “advantages” of winning a war.
But, the gradual rebuild of a similarly once wartorn Europe gives hope for a better future for nature and civilisation. As an ex-farmer, I try to imagine being some 4th generation Donbassian lad returning to his family farm, trying to plough and level AND SIFT the once rich soil for sowing again. Heartbreaking.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 3 2024 2:13 utc | 159

The Serpent’s Wall website details day trips from Kiev for “relic hunting”. Apparently the place is still littered from WWII.
The region north of the Black Sea has several hundred-thousand years of human habitation — it was a “refugia” even at the height of the ice-ages (when more northerly climes became uninhabitable and/or ice-covered). It is littered & polluted by definition… yet it has still grown crops.
……………………………….
The young lady who put that site together, is Elena Filatova, AKA “kiddofspeed” who rode her motorcycle through the Chernobyl exclusion area back in 2003-2005.
(Note: i first read this back in the noughties, when I looked it up tonight, I see it is now surrounded by extensive fact-checkers attempting to debunk her trips near Chernobyl… at this stage of the Narrative-Wars, I can only count that as ADDING to her credibility. “Not true until denied.”)
……………………………….

Posted by: retroflecks | Mar 3 2024 10:30 utc | 243

Window opportunity for a Nato boot on field intervention was before or during the Ukraine counteroffensive.
Now that opportunity is closed.
If it’s true that RF shoot down many if not all the drones in the attack in Crimea is a sign that even with nato full assistance they’re not able to inflict serious damage.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 3 2024 10:32 utc | 244

Childish reaction.
Russia does not care to target civilian infrastuctures. They are not so stupid as to waste their missiles. As for PR it would also be the most stupid thing to do.
But typical stupid western mentality.

Posted by: Naive | Mar 2 2024 19:52 utc | 68
Man, if I had a dollar (yuan, etc.) for every time I pointed this out to someone in the RT comment section (the “Russian fanclub” in the Anglosphere if you will) every time he/she suggests something of the sort (a la Dresden)…

Posted by: joey_n | Mar 3 2024 10:32 utc | 245

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 9:42 utc | 230
Perhaps, just perhaps, his decision cycles are driven by information about relative military capabilities and geo-strategic realities you, and 99.9% of people, are not in possession of. Putin has, IMHO, played a good game with a weak hand, the Russian Army might be ‘tough as nails’ but that counts for diddly, when it relies on an archaic logistics train and communications net, and a base of equipment that is little changed from Cold-War platforms, designed 40 years ago. Toughness might be an admirable personal quality, but adaptability, combat innovation harnessed to a leader who is an adherent of the doctrine of the maintenance of political purpose, is far more important. Putin has taken an organisation that resembled a has-been blowhard, boring all and sundry with tales of former-glory, to a hard bitten street brawler who can roll with the punches, and give as much as they get, much to the surprise of his opponents.
In conclusion, we would not be where we are now, in the life-cycle of the SMO if Putin was as incompetent a political leader, as you suggest, or the armed forces he commands as capable.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 3 2024 10:33 utc | 246

the “nobody is scared“ narrative
Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 3 2024 10:24 utc | 239

The narrative I see being pushed, by all the major Western media, is to characterize the absolute lack of critical supplies of everything needed to prosecute a war as a “delay”.
Indeed supplies are not coming. Nor can they be sufficient.
The narrative is waiting for Godot.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 3 2024 10:33 utc | 247

Gee there are some really creepy unstable people on this forum at times.
Vladimir Putin’s interview with Tucker Carlson
9 Feb, 13:40
Agreement on banning neo-Nazism in Ukraine was reached at Istanbul talks — Putin
The agreement was reached that neo-Nazism would be prohibited at the legislative level
MOSCOW, February 9. /TASS/. An agreement on legally banning neo-Nazism in Ukraine was reached at the Istanbul talks in 2022, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in an interview with Tucker Carlson published on the US journalist’s website.
“You know, as strange as it may seem to you, during the negotiations at Istanbul, we did agree that we have it all in writing. Neo-Nazism would not be cultivated in Ukraine, including that it would be prohibited at the legislative level,” Putin stressed.
TASS
Document From 2022 Reveals Putin’s Punishing Terms for Peace
Draft peace deal drawn up shortly after Russia’s invasion shows Ukraine was confronted with becoming a neutered state
https://www.wsj.com/world/russia-ukraine-peace-deal-2022-document-6e12e093
Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitri Peskov responded to the leaked April 2022 draft agreement between Russia and Ukraine, claiming that the draft agreement is “no longer relevant” and that “conditions have changed.”[10]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-1-2024
According to U.S. officials who spoke to Foreign Affairs, a provisional agreement was reached in April, whereby the Russian forces would withdraw to the pre-invasion line and Ukraine would commit not to seek to join NATO in exchange for security guarantees from a number of countries. However, in a July interview with Russian state media, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated that this compromise was no longer an option, saying that even the Donbas was not enough and that the “geography had changed.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_negotiations_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#April_2022
Much is known, much has been revealed from April 2022 to today. (shrug)

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 10:42 utc | 248

Dima from MilitarySummary is, unfortunately, prone to flights of fancy.
Posted by: boneless | Mar 3 2024 9:48 utc | 231
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Well yes! His latest effort today opened with a copy of a Twitter fantasy by some satirical nobody that NATO has a plan to soon enter Ukraine to (1) blockade its northern border with Belarus with 10,000 troops to prevent any Russian movement on Kiev, and so that Kiev can relocate its current troops there down to the Donbass; (2) blockade Odessa from any Russian attack on it from Kherson direction.
I then looked around for some recent NATO announcement I’d missed. Nothing. So I looked up his source. It was just a facetious joke tweet, yet Dima presented it like fact. I had to watch it 3 times to figure if he was trolling us. But no. He said it was “being discussed in the western media”. No. Only in his own head. A total melodramatic fantasist.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 3 2024 10:42 utc | 249

Posted by: vargas | Mar 3 2024 9:38 utc | 229
The war is existential for the western Elites, of course it is.
Neoliberal Capitalism is parasitic and will kill the host unless the host is able to acquire new markets to facilitate ever more profits.
Without new riches ripped from the dead cold hands of lesser people, the whole house of cards will come down.
The western elites are haunted and all there is for them is all out war or facing the unwashed and impoverished masses they created.

Posted by: kspr | Mar 3 2024 10:43 utc | 250

by vargas | Mar 3 2024 9:38 utc | 229
SMO is very existential for the West. It is a litmus paper for many ingredients that make the West – West.
If Russia switches to the war mode, West is in trouble bigger than anyone here, with or without military background, can imagine.

Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 10:53 utc | 251

Fascinating, but how is any of this going to make up for the AFU’s horrible manpower situation?
Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 3 2024 9:23 utc | 226
You forget the only war takes place in Russia, not in Ukr, and the attacker is Ukr/nato. If Ukr stops attacking Donbass, more or less forced by low kamikaze numbers, it doesn’t mean Russia has the resources or has plans to cross the new borders into Ukr. And China could have solved any Taiwan problems at the perfect timing of the start of the smo.

Posted by: rk | Mar 3 2024 10:55 utc | 252

@ Refinnejenna | Mar 3 2024 10:21 utc | 238
My Dear Maria Zakharova, thank you for your distracting inconsequential commentary which has nothing to do with my prior comments. Give my best to Peskov when you see him. (smile)
@ boneless | Mar 3 2024 10:29 utc | 240
Please change your nym to brainless. I’m quite capable of speaking for myself. Your psychotic meanderings and sophistry services are not required.
1) Perhaps, just perhaps, his decision cycles are driven by information about relative military capabilities and geo-strategic realities you, and 99.9% of people, are not in possession of. ….
2) In conclusion, we would not be where we are now, in the life-cycle of the SMO if Putin was as incompetent a political leader, as you suggest, or the armed forces he commands as capable.

@ Milites | Mar 3 2024 10:33 utc | 244
1) Perhaps they are not!
2) You would not know what might have unfolded otherwise. I said not a word about his Political Leadership, so I never called him incompetent either. I never criticized the Russian armed forces either. YOUR words, not mine!
Please pay better attention to what was said. Try harder. Be accurate.
Oh boy. You’d think I’d insulted their mother or something. People, get a grip. (smile)

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 10:59 utc | 253

This war is in reality not existential for the West, but western elites wanted to present is as such and they are trying to do that.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 3 2024 9:38 utc | 229
Qualification:
By existential is meant the survival of the geo-political power structure and the elites that comprise these power structures which maintain control over the populations and resources of “The West” (however loosely one wants to define it). It does not necessarily refer to the existence of the populations themselves (though there are cases where even this may be in question) but it certainly includes an “existential” threat to their social structures and economic support systems that allow these social structures to survive in their current form.
So, to further refine:
The loss of Ukraine to the Russian military operation poses an existential threat to the Western Power Structure, their control over their own populations and resources (and those of other non-western populations). This will result in a catastrophic loss of geopolitical influence leading to loss of hegemony and inability to sustain the populations and industries of Western societies as they are currently structured.
Revolution.
That is unacceptable to “The West”.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 3 2024 11:01 utc | 254

If Russia switches to the war mode, West is in trouble bigger than anyone here, with or without military background, can imagine.
Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 10:53 utc | 249
Exactly!
IF….. being a big IF.
And I can imagine it.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 11:04 utc | 255

Stages of grief aside, NATO *has to* intervene or else the entire Anglo-Zionist Empire is finito.
Perhaps my 12-point list earlier didn’t make it clear enough, but non-intervention is not “optional”.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 3 2024 9:32 utc | 228
All I’m going to say is – we’ll see. Events on the ground will determine the next course(s) of action.

Posted by: James M. | Mar 3 2024 11:10 utc | 256

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 3 2024 11:01 utc | 252
Considering the west has ‘invested’ nearly $300 billion into Ukraine, the country and farmland and mineral resource areas were already pre-divvied up between western corporations, and there is probably a massive amount of derivatives trade built up on the future profits – well yes, we could probably say that it is ‘existential’ for the west.
US is of course making up profits on the back of EU citizens and countries, but this is a net-zero game in the width of the entire west.
The minimum Russia needs to do is deny access of said farmlands and minerals to western corps, could even result the western financial system collapsing, especially in conjunction with the irreversible decline of USD and Euro use, not only within SWIFT but through alternative exchange systems.
The West is potentially nearing a large banking crisis, derived from a commercial and residential real estate home crisis, and debt crisis. Things are breaking down. This will also indirectly help Russia and China, as it will inevitably push gold prices up.
In the west, the new Basel III requirements will also raise the value of physical gold, which is now valued on higher tier than ‘paper’ gold. Banks must not only buy physical gold, they are required to have more capital to begin with. All this leads to huge debt deflation cycle in the west and crashes things.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 11:11 utc | 257

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 2 2024 19:46 utc | 63
«the slugfest between the two Russian – Slavic sides continues. The Russians will not run out of patience unlike the rest of us.»
The Kingdom of Ruthenia and the Principality of Muscovy have been at war for centuries, just like Poland and Ruthenia, or Poland and Muscovy; never mind the croats and the serbs, a common language does not change many things. Prussia and Austria have been at war too, and there have been several periods in which China broke up in separate states that were at war with each other.

Posted by: Blissex | Mar 3 2024 11:21 utc | 258

PS “Nor was Putin responsible for planning or building the Nordstream II pipelines”
@ Refinnejenna | Mar 3 2024 10:21 utc | 238
OMG the rewriting of history never stops. (smile)
First announced in 2015, the $11bn (£8.3bn) pipeline owned by Russia’s state-backed energy giant Gazprom has been built to carry gas from western Siberia, doubling the existing capacity of the Nord Stream 1 pipeline and keeping 26m German homes warm at an affordable price.
But the one thing this pipeline is not, as lamely claimed by the former German chancellor Merkel, is a purely commercial project. It has vast geostrategic consequence, with every inch of pipe a pitched political and legal battle.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/23/nord-stream-2-how-putins-pipeline-paralysed-the-west
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_2 \
The EU’s impotent rage at Putin’s gas games
Access to Russian gas is splitting the European Union.
https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-nord-stream-2-pipeline-eu-gas-prices-germany-russia/
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/putin-and-merkel-meet-find-solution-gas-pipeline-nord-stream-2
2015 Germany’s Economic Minister, Sigmar Gabriel (SPD), has aligned himself with Vladimir Putin on the Nord Stream gas-pipeline expansion issue
https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/putin-and-gabriel-team-up-on-nord-stream-2-against-brussels/
Putin Says He Hopes Nord Stream 2 Gas Pipeline Will Start By Early 2021
Putin, speaking at a joint press conference in Moscow on January 11 with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, said Russia will “certainly” be able to complete Nord Stream 2 without foreign assistance.
https://www.rferl.org/a/merkel-putin/30371455.html
Published 3 Jun 2021
Nord Stream 2: Assessing Russia’s “serious geopolitical victory”
Nikola Mikovic
The US has realised the energy pipeline is nearly completed. But that might not be the end of the opposition
Europe doesn’t appear likely to reduce its dependency on Russian energy any time soon.
Nord Stream 2 could very well be the last joint project between Europe and Russia, at least in this phase of a “new Cold War”.
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/nord-stream-2-assessing-russia-s-serious-geopolitical-victory
Yeah, sure, NS II was just some commercial undertaking between few fossil fuel companies and banks.
If you’ve lived under a rock for the last 20 years or so. (smile)

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 11:27 utc | 259

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 2 2024 21:45 utc | 93
«the quality of discussion in the comments has really declined. Lots of aimless bickering and aphoristic gotcha quips. Light on analysis»
It is much worse in the “Palestine” thread which is dedicated apparently to poor quality “Baghdad Bob” tribute acts. It is almost as bad at Unz.com where everything has one of two simple explanations (jewish racial superiority, or black racial superiority).
«
except of course that of the host, which is excellent (thank you b, as usual)»
Our blogger seems to me so radically anti-american that he sometimes mistakes wishful thinking for plausible expectations, even if he remains somewhat short of the “Baghdad Bob” level.

Posted by: Blissex | Mar 3 2024 11:33 utc | 260

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 11:27 utc | 257
Nord Stream II was a Merkel era joint project, created to enable Germany shut down its nuclear power plants and appease the Green party of Germany. The cost was over $11 billion, roughly half of it was owned by Russian Gazprom and the other half owned by European corporations benefitting from cheap gas.
So Gazprom paid maybe $6 billion of the pipe, which could be around 30-60 % of its annual net profit depending on the year you use. Gazprom was already mentally written off before SMO and not a big deal divided over the period of 6 or 7 years.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 11:33 utc | 261

Posted by: vargas | Mar 3 2024 9:38 utc | 229
I think your misconception of the West as a monolithic entity is similar to the elites who convinced themselves democracy was just a concept to deceive the people who nominally they served. The trouble about the concept of democracy is that once it imbeds itself in the public consciousness it’s very hard to remove. All comments concerning the West should really be prefaced with, ‘the current Western leadership….’, as there is an increasing awareness in many countries, that comprise the West, that it’s leaders are little more than the puppets of unelected tyrants. Tyrants who have successfully leveraged the post-Cold-War administrative state, they presided over and that has expanded massively beyond it remit, to gaslight its populace and disguise their subversion of political norms for personal enrichment.
Putin is probably more than aware that the current situation, vis-a-vis the West, is transitory so he needs to act quickly to exploit the incompetence of the current puppets, before democracy asserts itself and they are replaced by more competent leaders. Though, in the case of the UK, their population will probably have to endure 5 years of a bad-remake of the disastrous, tribal policies that the US is amount to emerge from being under. A conservative revolution is steadily growing in the West and the implications for the rest of the world will be an example of ‘living in interesting times’.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 3 2024 11:33 utc | 262

” Gazprom was already mentally written off before SMO”

meant

“NS2 was already mentally written off before SMO”

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 11:34 utc | 263

Posted by: vargas | Mar 3 2024 9:38 utc | 229

This war is in reality not existential for the West, but western elites wanted to present is as such and they are trying to do that.

This war might not be existential for the West, but Western elites in their incompetence and fanatism are turning this war existential for Western elites.
The only nation for which this war is existential is Ukraine. For Russia and the West it is just very important, but not existential.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 3 2024 11:37 utc | 264

OMG the rewriting of history never stops. (smile)
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 11:27 utc | 257

indeed, and you are the prime example, especially by citing uk rags as credible evidence.
(smile)

Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 3 2024 11:46 utc | 265

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 11:11 utc | 255
Nonsense.
It is Monetarists thinking like that above, this is the real danger. How they think they can fix the problem the way they see it has always been the issue. They don’t understand it.
If the money scarcity guys get in then you will see trouble similar to 2008. So what really needs to be done ?
Banks can only lend directly to borrowers for capital development purposes (i.e. business credit lines and household loans), and the banks keep those loans on their books until cleared.
Banks must operate on a single balance sheet. No hiving things off into ‘off balance sheet’ subsidiaries to try and hide them.
Banks cannot accept collateral. Collateral is a fixed charge over an asset as an insurance policy and aligns the incentives of banks with those possessing assets, not ideas. It stops banks being capital developers and turns them into pawn shops. That is the wrong alignment of incentives. We want loan officers with skin in the game. Their success should depend upon the success of the borrower. Banks should line up in insolvency with the other unsecured creditors (and importantly behind the remaining preferential creditors — employees).
Depositors are protected 100% at all amounts. A depositor in a commercial bank is holding nothing more than an outsourced central bank account. They are not investors in the bank and should never be treated as such.
Regulation is provided by the bank resolution agency, which is a public body funded entirely by government. There is no charge or levy to the banks for the operation. The job of the bank resolution agency is to ensure the banks are properly capitalised given their loan book and declare them solvent.
If they are not, they take the bank over and resolve it with any excess losses absorbed by government. This aligns the incentives of the regulator. If they get the solvency calculation wrong and the capital buffers exhaust, the regulator stands the cost.
The Central Bank provides unlimited, unsecured lending to regulated banks at zero interest rates. Collateral serves no purpose since the bank has been declared solvent (and therefore there is no reason for it to be illiquid), and collateralised Central Bank lending just shifts the losses to depositors who are protected 100% anyway.
Once you get rid of interbank collateral and funding requirements, you get rid of one of the final excuses for keeping Government Bonds. National Savings annuities for pensions (allowing retiring individuals to receive a secure lifetime income) would get rid of the final one.
Transferable instruments that confer government welfare on the owners do not serve the public purpose. Government welfare receipt is a social decision, not a market driven one.
As the asset side is now heavily regulated due to the changes above, you want the liability side to be as cheap as possible. Unlimited central bank access ensures liquidity for depositors and allows lending-only banks to arise.
It gets rid of the Interbank overnight market and replaces it with central bank overnight accounts. It puts the Central Bank ‘in the bank’ as a major investor — with open access to the commercial bank’s loan book via the work of the solvency regulator.
All levies, liquidity ratios, reserve requirements and the like are eliminated. The cost of maintaining the collateral system is eliminated. The result is loans at a low price with the quantity restricted solely by credit quality. As an economy heats up, credit quality declines and loans become restricted — systemically preventing the Ponzi stages of finance that lead to a Minsky Moment.
Proscribed banks, forced to rely on credit analysis for profit, help prevent a boom by issuing less credit as project quality declines. This is done by credit analysis – what is the loan for?, Can they afford the loan ?, Loans by sector.
You get a natural and steady withdrawal of funding that is far more surgically targeted and responsive to local conditions, than the carpet bombing approach of interest rate adjustment.
This leaves the payment system, which should be as costless as cash and clear just as instantly to eliminate transaction frictions. Whether that should be publicly provided, or remain outsourced to the banks is an open question. Depositors are a cost to the bank and would effectively be a tax, but leaving them with the banks would give them an incentive to get the cost of clearing provision down. It may boil down to a political question that depends upon your view of the effectiveness of public and private provision. An Open clearing system created by the state (or even states) and available to all on an open licence. We want one good clearing system like we have one good Linux.
Banks are currently too complicated, too large, too impersonal, too intertwined and systemically dangerous. They need to be simpler, smaller, more local and relationship oriented in scope.
Here:
https://www.crisesnotes.com/new-report-monetary-policy-without-interest-rate-hikes/

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 3 2024 11:52 utc | 266

Lavrov’s Dog @ 257:
Any respect you might have had here at MoA has evaporated after you revealed your choice of reading materials on NS II. The Fraudian, Politico, Radio Free Europe whatever and the Lowy Institute indeed!
I’ll leave Unimperator and Justpassinby to slap you around. Meanwhile I am almost dying from laughing at your answers to my comment @ 238.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 3 2024 12:00 utc | 267

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 9:42 utc | 230
‘Putin sat on his hands for 8 years while the US built up a 500,000 Army and gave them all the armaments they needed’
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 10:59 utc | 251
‘I never called him incompetent’
‘Please pay better attention to what was said. Try harder. Be accurate.’
I do, which is why the subtextual implication of your words is obvious.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 10:59 utc | 251
‘I never criticized the Russian armed forces either. YOUR words, not mine!
Yup, never said they were, my point was your faith in a military organisation that demonstrably should have been subjected more public criticism. Perhaps then, thousands of lives would not have been wasted in the initial stages of the operation.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 10:17 utc | 237
‘Putin has absolutely no idea how to effectively communicate with western leaders or the citizenry to Russia’s advantage. No clue at all.’
I disagree, Putin’s delivery was, I think, pitch-perfect, demonstrating an encyclopaedic knowledge on the SMO, whilst coming over as competently apolitical, the message very much resonated in his target audience, tired of superficiality and incompetence. Evidence of Putin’s success was seen in the regime’s increasingly ignored campaign of news management and propaganda pieces about, ‘not-being fooled by Putin’.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 3 2024 10:42 utc | 247
You don’t learn to fly by being taught by an instructor who has only played Microsoft Flight Sim; similarly, why rely on commentators who only have YouTube deep knowledge of military matters, as your go to source? These are people, after all, who draw arrows on maps that are either flights of fancy or come straight from the school of the bleeding obvious. As a glimpse under the curtain they provide some use, but as analysts who cannot identify a Marder IFV, or the implications of its deployment, they daily demonstrate their obvious limitations.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 3 2024 12:10 utc | 268

“The West is potentially nearing a large banking crisis, derived from a commercial and residential real estate home crisis, and debt crisis. Things are breaking down. This will also indirectly help Russia and China, as it will inevitably push gold prices up.
In the west, the new Basel III requirements will also raise the value of physical gold, which is now valued on higher tier than ‘paper’ gold. Banks must not only buy physical gold, they are required to have more capital to begin with. All this leads to huge debt deflation cycle in the west and crashes things.”
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 11:11 utc | 255
There is a “large banking crisis” already with US bonds leveling regional banks balance sheet as the commercial real estate loan portfolios lose value by the day.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 3 2024 12:16 utc | 269

by unimperator | Mar 3 2024 11:33 utc | 259
Nord Stream II was a Merkel era joint project.
No. Schroeder and Putin planned it in 2004, in the wake of Ukrainian gas blockages and failing to pay the transit fees.
It was “how to avoid Ukraine once and for all”, ensuring permanent stability in energy deliveries.

Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 12:16 utc | 270

back in 2019 there was a factcheck by zeit online on nordstream 2 that was fairly neutral and has most of the points correct, unlike the bullshit lavrovs dog above is posting.
facts are that merkel was almost pushing russia to build ns2 because ukraine is/was an unreliable transitstate. every german knows that.
but the british narrative-pushers cannot let facts stand in their way. so we have the usual rags spout nonsense and outright lies ad nauseum, and the feeble sheep believe it.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 3 2024 12:44 utc | 271

Patroklos @170: “Oh wait, it’s canuck. I shouldn’t be wasting my breath.”
Correct, you cannot change the mind of a troll. They do not infest the fora to learn. Furthermore, an AI bot already “knows” everything, having been trained with all the former posts here at MoA, as well as all of the articles in Wikipedia (which is why the posts of the troll in question sound like Wikipedia articles… that is a significant part of the raw materials harvested for the Large Language Model to construct pseudo-original content from). The troll sounds knowledgeable, but it is just a database with clever output filtering and with English as the query language instead of SQL so even idiots can construct queries for it. Debating a Microsoft Word document would be more constructive.
This isn’t to say your post is a waste, though. If the troll bot’s post offers a convenient lead-in for a point that you feel other readers could benefit from clarification or correction, then I cannot see how using troll posts as such can be viewed as wrong. What is critical is to keep in mind that the troll is not the target of your post, except perhaps as a rhetorical device. The true audience of your post must always be other readers because assuming you can reach a troll, and an AI bot in particular, can only lead to frustration and disappointment. You’re better off trying to have an intellectual discussion with the neighbor’s dog.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 3 2024 12:47 utc | 272

Posted by: canuck | Mar 3 2024 12:16 utc | 267
You’ll get it one day. It’s not even rocket science it is very, very, very simple stuff.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4671652-45-years-in-the-market-tells-me-to-look-for-the-money-source
Or here :
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4669292-us-financial-balances-fall-52-billion-pointing-to-worse-markets-february
Or Here:
https://seekingalpha.com/instablog/910351-robert-p-balan/5465685-burden-of-bullish-bearish-meme-unleash-total-power-of-compounding-and-large-numbers-laws
Follow these 3 and Mike Norman and you can retire quite handsomely before you are 40. My guess is you’ll remain a wage slave until you retire. As in your own head, you have it all wrong. Not your fault, obviously some ideologue implanted those thoughts in your head Canuck.
Even my own country Scotland is waking up to the facts. Voters who are willing to learn and look at the government accounts are now getting it. Learning The truth rather than fiction.
Here:
Bonnie Scotland – The Self-Financing Nation-State and The Sovereign People.
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/02/14/the-self-financing-nation-state-and-the-sovereign-people/
Why ?
Because I organised these:
https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=MMT+Scotland
Voters listened. Sometimes hard work really pays off.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 3 2024 13:01 utc | 273

” There is no instance of a nation benefiting from prolonged warfare. ”
– Sun Tzu
Posted by: Moonie | Mar 3 2024 2:40 utc | 167
There is no instance without exceptions from the rule. Especially when the enemy is destroying itself. When the enemy is making a mistake, do not stop him.

Posted by: Naive | Mar 3 2024 13:02 utc | 274

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 3 2024 13:01 utc | 271
Shure some shitty advice from a wannabe trader.
Those are the same that sell winning number or winning bets, if they were really successful they were being doing their business covertly and in a tropical paradise.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 3 2024 13:11 utc | 275

That and Putin is weak as piss. He always has been. He is dumb as shit to imagine the US calling him up to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Russia in Ukraine.
As dumb as he was to believe in the Minsk agreements of 2014/15 ….. utter idiocy!
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 2:59 utc | 172

And another s-o-b- syndrom. Putin has more information than any fly here, especially you. It means you know nothing. Again one who pretends to know better than the Russian government. With such mentality (I am right, Putin is wrong) it is obvious why the western countries are experiencing a shithole.
If you are Russian, you are a traitor like the cockroach killer or like Strelkov. If you are not Russian, you are an enemy of Russia.
Anyone after reading the speech at the Duma should have understood why the enemies of Russia want that Russia starts nuclear strikes at nato countries.

Posted by: Naive | Mar 3 2024 13:21 utc | 276

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 6:37 utc | 204
And again that stupid warmongering western mentality. Again someone puting his emotions at the first place.

Posted by: Naive | Mar 3 2024 13:26 utc | 277

Posted by: Naive | Mar 3 2024 13:02 utc | 272
Moonie pulled that fictitious quote out they/them/their asses.

Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 3 2024 13:29 utc | 278

“I think your misconception of the West as a monolithic entity is similar to the elites who convinced themselves democracy was just a concept to deceive the people who nominally they served. The trouble about the concept of democracy is that once it imbeds itself in the public consciousness it’s very hard to remove. All comments concerning the West should really be prefaced with, ‘the current Western leadership….’, as there is an increasing awareness in many countries, that comprise the West, that it’s leaders are little more than the puppets of unelected tyrants. Tyrants who have successfully leveraged the post-Cold-War administrative state, they presided over and that has expanded massively beyond it remit, to gaslight its populace and disguise their subversion of political norms for personal enrichment.
Putin is probably more than aware that the current situation, vis-a-vis the West, is transitory so he needs to act quickly to exploit the incompetence of the current puppets, before democracy asserts itself and they are replaced by more competent leaders. Though, in the case of the UK, their population will probably have to endure 5 years of a bad-remake of the disastrous, tribal policies that the US is amount to emerge from being under. A conservative revolution is steadily growing in the West and the implications for the rest of the world will be an example of ‘living in interesting times’.”
Posted by: Milites | Mar 3 2024 11:33 utc | 260
Excellent post, as per usual yet I don’t like your description of ‘tyrant’.
A ‘tyrant’ in Greece in the 8th, 7th century AD was a reformer not a dictator-the word itself means “the straightener”. Of course the ‘Elites’ didn’t want reform (debt jubilees et al) and lose some their privileges so they, over time, perverted the word as Dr. Micheal Hudson describes much better than myself:
“Out of this situation Greek reformer-“tyrants” arose in the 7th and 6th centuries BC from Sparta to Corinth, Athens and Greek islands. The Cypselid dynasty in Corinth and similar new leaders in other cities are reported to have cancelled the debts that held clients in bondage on the land, redistributed this land to the citizenry, and undertaken public infrastructure spending to build up commerce, opening the way for civic development and the rudiments of democracy. Sparta enacted austere “Lycurgan” reforms against conspicuous consumption and luxury. The poetry of Archilochus on the island of Paros and Solon of Athens denounced the drive for personal wealth as addictive, leading to hubris injuring others – to be punished by the justice goddess Nemesis. The spirit was similar to Babylonian, Judaic and other moral religions.”(1)
1. https://michael-hudson.com/2022/07/the-end-of-western-civilization/

Posted by: canuck | Mar 3 2024 13:37 utc | 279

Man, if I had a dollar (yuan, etc.) for every time I pointed this out to someone in the RT comment section (the “Russian fanclub” in the Anglosphere if you will) every time he/she suggests something of the sort (a la Dresden)…
Posted by: joey_n | Mar 3 2024 10:32 utc | 243
Thanks a lot!

Posted by: Naive | Mar 3 2024 13:38 utc | 280

No. Schroeder and Putin planned it in 2004, in the wake of Ukrainian gas blockages and failing to pay the transit fees.
It was “how to avoid Ukraine once and for all”, ensuring permanent stability in energy deliveries.
Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 12:16 utc | 268
——————————————-
That was Nord Stream 1
“Yet on 8 September 2005, 10 days before the election in which Schröder’s Social Democrats lost to Angela Merkel’s conservatives, the Nord Stream 1 contract was signed in Berlin by representatives of Gazprom, E.ON and BASF. Putin stood alongside Schröder at the signing ceremony.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/02/germany-dependence-russian-energy-gas-oil-nord-stream

Posted by: jure | Mar 3 2024 13:38 utc | 281

I think the word that applies here is “fragile”.
So easily unsettled, threatened by shadows, emotionally unstable and lacking confidence.
Conspiracies and spies are everywhere. 1+1 = 11
Beware! Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean you are not being followed. 🙂

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 13:39 utc | 282

The loss of Ukraine to the Russian military operation poses an existential threat to the Western Power Structure, their control over their own populations and resources (and those of other non-western populations). This will result in a catastrophic loss of geopolitical influence leading to loss of hegemony and inability to sustain the populations and industries of Western societies as they are currently structured.
Revolution.
That is unacceptable to “The West”.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 3 2024 11:01 utc | 252

Do you really believe in ability of the western populations to rebel?
Western elites can easily control them, no matter what happened.
They are just docile consumers.

“The West is potentially nearing a large banking crisis, derived from a commercial and residential real estate home crisis, and debt crisis. Things are breaking down. This will also indirectly help Russia and China, as it will inevitably push gold prices up.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 11:11 utc | 255

As long as they able to print money unpunished, everything is ok for them.

Posted by: vargas | Mar 3 2024 13:40 utc | 283

Naive | Mar 3 2024 13:26 utc | 275
Is it foolish or redundant for me to say: Don’t be Naive!
Because you really are. (smile)

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 13:42 utc | 284

” Moonie pulled that fictitious quote out they/them/their asses.
Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 3 2024 13:29 utc | 276 ”
The internet is your friend, dont be a fool.

Posted by: Moonie | Mar 3 2024 13:48 utc | 285

” There is no instance without exceptions from the rule. Especially when the enemy is destroying itself. When the enemy is making a mistake, do not stop him.
Posted by: Naive | Mar 3 2024 13:02 utc | 272 ”
Can you cite some historical ” exceptions” to said rule ?

Posted by: Moonie | Mar 3 2024 13:50 utc | 286

🙂
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 13:39 utc | 280

(smile)
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 13:42 utc | 282

can you at least try to be consistent with your weak tries to get an emotional response?

Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 3 2024 13:50 utc | 287

Posted by: vargas | Mar 3 2024 13:40 utc | 281
“”As long as they are able to print money unpunished, everything is ok for them.””
That’s not quite right.Argentina has also printed plenty of money.Printing money means inflation.Printing even more money brings hyperinflation.Consequence: mass impoverishment/mass unemployment.

Posted by: Oberbayer | Mar 3 2024 13:51 utc | 288

“Patroklos @170: “Oh wait, it’s canuck. I shouldn’t be wasting my breath.” (1)
Correct, you cannot change the mind of a troll. They do not infest the fora to learn. Furthermore, an AI bot already “knows” everything, having been trained with all the former posts here at MoA, as well as all of the articles in Wikipedia (which is why the posts of the troll in question sound like Wikipedia articles… that is a significant part of the raw materials harvested for the Large Language Model to construct pseudo-original content from). The troll sounds knowledgeable, but it is just a database with clever output filtering and with English as the query language instead of SQL so even idiots can construct queries for it. Debating a Microsoft Word document would be more constructive.
This isn’t to say your post is a waste, though. If the troll bot’s post offers a convenient lead-in for a point that you feel other readers could benefit from clarification or correction, then I cannot see how using troll posts as such can be viewed as wrong. What is critical is to keep in mind that the troll is not the target of your post, except perhaps as a rhetorical device. The true audience of your post must always be other readers because assuming you can reach a troll, and an AI bot in particular, can only lead to frustration and disappointment. You’re better off trying to have an intellectual discussion with the neighbor’s dog.”
Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 3 2024 12:47 utc | 270
“As it is characteristic of great wits to say much in a few words so small wits seem to have the gift of speaking much and saying nothing”
Francois de la Rochefoucauld
Both you and Patroklos belong to the latter category, ‘small wits’ ; your common work as professors are a wonderful training for such a pursuit.
1. Editor’s Note: How can one, “waste one’s breath”, when typing? Another mixed metaphor from Professor Patroklos.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 3 2024 13:54 utc | 289

French are not going to send people to be slaughtered at the front – they are already getting a taste of that via mercenaries – primarily because it would be too humiliating. At this point it’s about making the best of a losing situation – negotiating position and boldly siezing what the enemy doesn’t want.
Likely France will be supporting the rear. But seems like they are taking positions in the part of Ukraine in which the Ruskies have no interest – suspect Russia will settle with pushing NATO back across Dnieper. The area between Donbass and Dnieper will serve as demilitarized zone. Odessa or not Odessa – Idealy they would take it as I suspect will remain as source of irritation, but does not appear that that will happen. I guess that they can control use of Dnieper from left bank.
I had thought that Russia might negotiate something with Poland for taking responisibilty for western Ukraine, but likely BlackRock sabotaged that deal.

Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2024 14:00 utc | 290

Naive @ Naive | Mar 3 2024 13:21 utc | 274
That and Putin is weak as piss. He always has been. He is dumb as shit to imagine the US calling him up to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Russia in Ukraine.
As dumb as he was to believe in the Minsk agreements of 2014/15 ….. utter idiocy!
@ Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 2:59 utc | 172
LD OK wise guy:
1) Please list the great achievement sof the Minsk I & II accords
2) Tell us all how Putin is smart and wise to imgaine the US calling him up to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Russia in Ukraine after asking them to do just that during Tucker Moscow i’view.
3) Be specific.
Naive being naive says: “With such mentality (I am right, Putin is wrong)”
LD: But having the mentality of: “I am right, because my Guru Putin is always right” is perfectly fine. There is no need for me to THINK for myself. Being a mindless cultist who knows nothing is just fine and dandy. I can then safely ridicule all comers who disagree with anything Putin has said or done across the board.
Congratulations: Please got o door 3 to collect your gold star.
Naive being naive: “If you are Russian, you are a traitor like the cockroach killer or like Strelkov. If you are not Russian, you are an enemy of Russia.”
LD: Uhuh. Great. Please go to door 6 to collect your ad hominem Grade A Paranoia Ribbon
Naive the Wise says: “Anyone after reading the speech at the Duma should have understood why the enemies of Russia want that Russia starts nuclear strikes at nato countries.”
LD: OK wise guy …. spell it out.
List all the things we uneducated cockroaches should have understood but didn’t about Putin’s Duma Speech as to why *the enemies* want Russia/Putin to start nuclear strikes at NATO countries.
LAY IT ALL OUT IN BULLET POINTS PLEASE.
All we get is silence or more abusive insults instead. (smile)




Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 14:03 utc | 291

“As it is characteristic of great wits to say much in a few words so small wits seem to have the gift of speaking much and saying nothing”
Francois de la Rochefoucauld
Both you and Patroklos belong to the latter category, ‘small wits’ ; your common work as professors are a wonderful training for such a pursuit.
1. Editor’s Note: How can one, “waste one’s breath”, when typing? Another mixed metaphor from Professor Patroklos.
Posted by: canuck | March 03, 2024 at 13:54
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 3 2024 13:01 utc | 271-
Echo Chamber has officially joined the ‘small wits’ club ; although I don’t think he is a professor yet he magnificently and chronically writes volumes signifying nothing.
A
Congrats Echo Chamber,

Posted by: canuck | Mar 3 2024 14:04 utc | 292

Occidental trolls are going apeshit with the inevitable Russian victory looming. Putin is a moron, sure, what does that make the leaders of the West? Because they’ve been consistently utterly outplayed, outsmarted and circumvented for 2 decades by the ‘weak’ Russian with a military budget the size of Italy. Maybe they just aren’t as fucking balls to the wall corrupt as the West, who would have guessed.
Meanwhile, back in ‘winning’ Maerica, the debt goes up by 1 trillion every 100 days. How long is that sustainable before the whole thing goes tits up is anyones guess, but let’s just say it is sooner than later.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 3 2024 14:06 utc | 293

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 14:03 utc | 289

You alright, perhaps you should have a sit down and nap time? I’m perusing your increasingly unhinged comments about Russian stupidity. Meanwhile I’m like..Russias economy is growing and it just annihilated a NATO army while Maerica alone is borrowing 1 trillion every 3 months in an escalatory and inescapable debt spiral…and you’re like NYAH NYAH NYAH I can’t hear you. Ok, but it doesn’t matter if you agree, the shit show will continue.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 3 2024 14:10 utc | 294

“As long as they able to print money unpunished, everything is ok for them.”
Posted by: vargas | Mar 3 2024 13:40 utc | 281
I disagree.
You are correct since the crash since 2008 where interest rates were negative and they printed without punishment.
Things have changed.
The punishment occurred-a 2,000% increase in the Fed’s discount rate in 18 months (.25% to 5.25%)-leading to next year when the USA will pay more interest servicing its debt than on its’ trillion dollar defense budget.
Last quarter (4th) the US govt. stimulated (borrowed) $883 billion more than they took in which created $339 billion more in GDP such that for $2.50 of stimulus to create $1.00 of growth.
This is unsustainable-that’s why the West is acting so desperate.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 3 2024 14:14 utc | 295

” on the other hand you bringing up ‘rules’ frame you as a Karen…
Posted by: canuck | Mar 3 2024 3:56 utc | 188 ”
You too Canuck ? I guess you cant help yourself. I still stand by my assertion. The longer this ” war ” lasts the worse it is for Russia, ESPECIALLY, demographically. Cherry picking which Sun Tzu are ” valid” based on your desires is poor form.

Posted by: Moonie | Mar 3 2024 14:17 utc | 296

The fact remains that NATO as a whole nor any individual NATO country probably can’t really affect the outcome of the conflict by inserting troops. And the ramp up for these militaries is slow. NATO militaries are also famous for massaging numbers. It’s not 90,000 combat troops participating in the current exercises. The press releases say 90,000 participants and that would include every desk jockey and general that touches the exercise.
I repeat myself, but France’s total combat military contingent is 80,000. Let’s be generous and say that it can spare 30,000 of that for Ukraine plus some non-combat support. It can’t put all 30,000 in the field at once and indefinitely, there needs to be rotations. Beyond that, the question of supplying that many French troops for fairly high intensity combat over more than a couple of weeks becomes problematic.
Even the US has this problem. 1.3M military service members sounds like a lot until you start dividing by every service branch, all the places they need to be and remember that the number includes everyone at the Pentagon, every recruiter tooled away in strip malls across America, etc. etc.
NATO countries could line up a bunch of forces along the Belorussian border as blocking forces to free up Ukrainian forces. That’s a gamble that either there won’t be combat for them or it will be minimal. There’s no scenario where NATO can put a credible offensive force in the field (except maybe Kaliningrad). So it serves no real purpose. The problem for western leaders is that if they put those troops in Ukraine there will be losses. The French know that well and while the news has been less open about other nations taking losses, it is happening. Volunteers going as mercenaries without official state backing is one thing, leaders ordering the military there is a different political situation.
And let’s just say that several NATO countries send their most combat ready forces into Ukraine, there is direct conflict and losses. They’ve now degraded their ability, created domestic and military political issues and eroded their ability to affect the situation even further. Sending some troops doesn’t solve any problems, it only creates more.

Posted by: Lex | Mar 3 2024 14:23 utc | 297

If you think objectively this whole thing where Nato plans to add troops in Ukraine.
Consider that Nato has been giving its entire output of ‘stuff’ to AFU already. If they add ‘Nato troops’ in Ukraine, they will be merely adding ‘manpower’ but no additional ‘stuff’ or equipment into Ukraine.
So from an objective point of view, there will just be more men compared to equipment than before, which won’t do a whole lot to change anything. In fact, it will probably increase losses if anything. The Russians will not make any distinction between Nato super soldiers and sub AFU troops.
The French military, according to some has maybe 100 tanks, maybe add 70 tanks from Britain etc. And those are the major powers in Europe.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 14:25 utc | 298

by jure | Mar 3 2024 13:38 utc | 279
Yes, true, but. NS 2 is just a bigger and a thicker pipe and approximately parallel to NS1. Merkel inherited the momentum at the time. And the Guardian is not the most truthful and a relevant source of info, since Snowden.

Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 14:28 utc | 299

” And yet I loved the way Putin deflected Tucker Carlson’s little bait to “show the world the evidence that the US did it”. Putin quietly said “Well, let’s not get into details” 🙂 🙂
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 3 2024 3:52 utc | 187 ”
Do you blame Putin though ? If he publicly accused the guilty party Russia would be expected to respond / retaliate and it should be obvious Putin wont. The whole world knows who did the deed and expected Russia to respond, Russia’s lack of action spooked most nations and they fell back in line under ZioAmerican control. After all, if ” powerful” Russia wont stand up to the Americans how could less powerful nations ?
Also, many keep saying that Russia is trying to avoid war, while ZioAmerica is itchy for one, but they never address the reasons why. Basically, the party wishing for W3 is either:
1) Insane beyond redemption, and nukes will fly anyway.
2) Or extremely confident that they will prevail.
If anyone can think of any other reasons I would love to hear them.

Posted by: Moonie | Mar 3 2024 14:30 utc | 300