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March 31, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-094
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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“One more thing, I think many people may not understand how prevalent trans people are, especially here in the Seattle area.” Posted by: Wisco | Mar 31 2024 21:38 utc | 101 Posted by: Wisco | Mar 31 2024 21:12 utc | 99 Posted by: Milites | Mar 31 2024 21:53 utc | 102 “…Biden’s tone-deaf displacement of Easter’s traditional position in the cultural memory of many.” Posted by: Wisco | Mar 31 2024 22:10 utc | 103 “I don’t think some posters truly appreciate the combat power the US Army can still wield, Posted by: Dc9loser | Mar 31 2024 22:14 utc | 105 “Woke ultimately created, and energised MAGA, not the other way around…” “Woke ultimately created, and energised MAGA, not the other way around…” Posted by: Wisco | Mar 31 2024 22:34 utc | 107 Excellent thread btw. Very informative posts above. Even the one troll exchange between Milites and Satana Canada or whoever was at least funny. Posted by: Wisco | Mar 31 2024 22:49 utc | 108 Milites | Mar 31 2024 16:24 utc | 33 Posted by: Cynic | Mar 31 2024 22:53 utc | 109 Not Ukraine specific but Russia recently vetoed the Security Council sanctions on the DPRK that have been automatically renewed each year without any debate. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 31 2024 23:00 utc | 110 Posted by: vargas | Mar 31 2024 20:27 utc | 87 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 31 2024 23:01 utc | 111 That you still listen to Dima for analysis makes many of your comments come into context. Posted by: malenkov | Mar 31 2024 23:25 utc | 112 On the one hand we have Dima, on the other hand we have Nima. Dima vs Nima. Nima is just an interviewer though and not one to interject opinions. Very good interviewer. Posted by: Wisco | Mar 31 2024 23:27 utc | 113 I rate a good interviewer higher than an unreliable gossipmonger. Posted by: malenkov | Mar 31 2024 23:57 utc | 114 Doctor Eleven@91 Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 1 2024 0:02 utc | 115 Posted by: Wisco | Mar 31 2024 22:10 utc | 103 Posted by: Milites | Apr 1 2024 0:07 utc | 116 “It doesn’t hurt that the good interviewer in question features high-quality guests.” Posted by: Wisco | Apr 1 2024 0:12 utc | 117 Posted by: Dc9loser | Mar 31 2024 22:14 utc | 105
And yet – in the last 21 months the Russian army has lost ground (in Kharkiv & Kherson) in Ukraine, and barely begun to make a fraction of that lost ground back – even now – against this pitiful Western-backed force that you scorn – what is taking them so long considering the weak opposition they are up against as you say. Posted by: Julian | Apr 1 2024 0:15 utc | 118 @ HERMIUS | Mar 31 2024 19:27 utc | 77 with the link/posting about Russia demanding that Ukraine turn over the perps behind the Moscow terrorism…thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 1 2024 0:17 utc | 119 Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 1 2024 0:02 utc | 115 Posted by: Milites | Apr 1 2024 0:26 utc | 120 https://thehill.com/opinion/4566466-ukraine-is-not-losing-us-assistance-must-continue/ Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 1 2024 0:28 utc | 121 Posted by: Wisco | Mar 31 2024 22:10 utc | 103 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 1 2024 0:32 utc | 122 Anyone happen to catch wind of this dustup down in Oz a week or so ago? Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 1 2024 0:37 utc | 123 ZH has a posting up with the title Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 1 2024 0:41 utc | 124 Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 1 2024 0:37 utc | 123 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 1 2024 0:47 utc | 125 Russian blogger and military volunteer Roman Alyokhin on Zelenskiy’s last day as a president (March 31, 2024):
It is already April 1 in Kiev. Posted by: S | Apr 1 2024 0:52 utc | 126 @118 Posted by: GW | Apr 1 2024 0:52 utc | 127 (Sorry for using a URL shortener, but TypePad wouldn’t allow me to post otherwise.) Posted by: S | Apr 1 2024 0:53 utc | 128 “…one wonders if simple criminal charges like marijuana possession from before it was semi-legalized could be preventing a lot of the black folks in B-more from getting such jobs” Posted by: Wisco | Apr 1 2024 0:56 utc | 129 Yes, the West will do everything wrong, before it does the right thing. It takes the time. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 1 2024 1:00 utc | 130 And yet – in the last 21 months the Russian army has lost ground (in Kharkiv & Kherson) in Ukraine, and barely begun to make a fraction of that lost ground back – even now – against this pitiful Western-backed force that you scorn – what is taking them so long considering the weak opposition they are up against as you say. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 1 2024 1:06 utc | 131 @121 Posted by: GW | Apr 1 2024 1:06 utc | 132 @whirlX | Apr 1 2024 0:47 utc | 125 Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 1 2024 1:10 utc | 133 Milites Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 1:13 utc | 134 “I’m approaching middle age. Do you believe that I will live to see the West stop being a racist, colonial, fascist kleptocracy run by Satanic kiddie-diddlers?” Posted by: Wisco | Apr 1 2024 1:14 utc | 135 Posted by: Wisco | Apr 1 2024 0:56 utc | 129 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 1 2024 1:21 utc | 136 Re: Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 1 2024 0:41 utc | 124
Do you base this on Putin’s history of refusing to sign agreements with The West, and then, after signing agreements, Putin’s history of violating said agreements? Posted by: Julian | Apr 1 2024 1:24 utc | 137 Re: Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 1:13 utc | 134
There’s your mistake right there. Posted by: Julian | Apr 1 2024 1:29 utc | 138 ZH has a posting up with the title Posted by: Acco Hengst | Apr 1 2024 1:30 utc | 139 fyi, Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 1 2024 1:42 utc | 140 Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 1 2024 1:21 utc | 136 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 1:44 utc | 141 Julian | Apr 1 2024 1:29 utc | 138 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 1:45 utc | 142 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 1 2024 1:21 utc | 136 Posted by: Wisco | Apr 1 2024 1:50 utc | 143 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 1 2024 1:51 utc | 144 To what do you base your view that Russia will be “dictating terms”? Posted by: Acco Hengst | Apr 1 2024 1:52 utc | 145 “The Russian invaders deliberately target the largest Ukrainian gas storage facilities. Posted by: daffyDuct | Apr 1 2024 2:01 utc | 146 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Apr 1 2024 1:30 utc | 139 Posted by: Wisco | Apr 1 2024 2:03 utc | 147 This drift into big war becomes far more complex than just comparing individual weapons and how they are used. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 2:05 utc | 148 Failing to meet Russia’s demands will constitute a breach of Ukraine’s international obligations with respect to fighting terrorism and “entail its international legal responsibility,” the ministry warned. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 1 2024 2:09 utc | 149 “US military recruits mostly come from the conservative side of the US.” Posted by: Archetypex | Apr 1 2024 2:11 utc | 150 “Sergei Shefir, who was fired today, is Vladimir Zelensky’s closest friend and ally since the president’s youth. Since Zelensky came to power, Shefir has played a large role in the overall structure of public administration. Especially in terms of communicating with oligarchs and businessmen. The close relationship between Zelensky and Shefir is also evidenced by the fact that it was to the Shefir family that the Zelensky family rewrote corporate rights to Ukrainian and offshore companies. Therefore, Shefir was often called the “president’s wallet.” Posted by: daffyDuct | Apr 1 2024 2:24 utc | 151 Posted by: Archetypex | Apr 1 2024 2:11 utc | 150 Posted by: Wisco | Apr 1 2024 2:26 utc | 152 daffyDuct | Apr 1 2024 2:24 utc | 151 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 2:33 utc | 153 Those who still think that the rural people in flyover country still have a lot of the patriotic spirit of old 1960s type patriotism are probably wrong. The blue-hairs and tattooed and pierced freaks are possibly more numerous here now than in the cities. They are maybe even more susceptible to media and social media influences than are the city dwellers. They overcompensate because they don’t ever want to be thought of as “hicks”. Posted by: Wisco | Apr 1 2024 2:42 utc | 154 @ Peter AU1, #41 Posted by: DakotaRog | Apr 1 2024 2:55 utc | 155 Too many of the better thinkers from rural areas have already migrated to the cities for better economic opportunities. Sad to say it but what’s left of the population in the rural areas isn’t something to give one hope, it ain’t pretty. The ones remaining are far less apt to question anything from the MSM narrative than are the city folks. Sure, they usually like Fox News more than MSNBC, big deal. Most think Facebook is really cool. Posted by: Wisco | Apr 1 2024 2:56 utc | 156 Re: Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 1 2024 1:51 utc | 144
You are drowning in delusion if you think this Ukraine conflict will be over by early August!! In four months time!! Posted by: Julian | Apr 1 2024 3:04 utc | 157 “No chance this wraps up this year – this war is continuing into 2025 – and perhaps for far longer beyond that.” Posted by: Wisco | Apr 1 2024 3:14 utc | 158 Russia is probably wrong in not making the people responsible for this war pay a little bit of the price. The cheerleading of this slaughter from afar is rather sickening. The feeling of perfect impunity and being beyond the real effects maybe needs to end. Posted by: Wisco | Apr 1 2024 3:28 utc | 159 @ Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 1 2024 2:09 utc | 149 Posted by: fanto | Apr 1 2024 3:34 utc | 160 The feeling of perfect impunity and being beyond the real effects maybe needs to end. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 3:40 utc | 161 My friends, Posted by: Johnny | Apr 1 2024 3:42 utc | 162 The big war… Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 4:04 utc | 163 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 1 2024 0:37 utc | 123 Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 1 2024 4:11 utc | 164 Melaleuca | Apr 1 2024 4:11 utc | 164 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 4:17 utc | 165 Re: Posted by: Wisco | Apr 1 2024 3:14 utc | 158
No, you couldn’t be more wrong. Posted by: Julian | Apr 1 2024 4:18 utc | 166 So many must have the surname nukum. What’s your thoughts on nuclear war? Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 4:25 utc | 167 Post a review if you do watch it. It’ll be interesting to see if your IRL view matches my preconceived view … Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 1 2024 4:31 utc | 168 Julian | Apr 1 2024 4:18 utc | 166 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 4:31 utc | 169 Posted by: Wisco | Apr 1 2024 1:50 utc | 143 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 1 2024 4:41 utc | 170 I am one of those consistently calling for Russia to “get on with it” and “take this conflict seriously” – it is the Russian strategy that is dragging this conflict out for years. Posted by: Виктор | Apr 1 2024 4:42 utc | 171 Re the Great Tank Debate having another re-run in this thread. Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 1 2024 5:06 utc | 172 a good short discussion on the dynamics that block open discussions in western Europe of ukriane v russia, and peace options. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 1 2024 5:19 utc | 173 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 4:17 utc | 165 Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 1 2024 5:28 utc | 174 Those who still think that the rural people in flyover country still have a lot of the patriotic spirit of old 1960s type patriotism are probably wrong. The blue-hairs and tattooed and pierced freaks are possibly more numerous here now than in the cities. They are maybe even more susceptible to media and social media influences than are the city dwellers. They overcompensate because they don’t ever want to be thought of as “hicks”. Posted by: Honzo | Apr 1 2024 5:36 utc | 175 Melaleuca | Apr 1 2024 5:28 utc | 174 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 5:45 utc | 176 That pedantic stance may come very handy sometime in the future , when chicken come to roost. Hopefully. Posted by: Honzo | Apr 1 2024 5:48 utc | 177 Honzo | Apr 1 2024 5:36 utc | 175 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 6:03 utc | 178
Someone upthread was dismissive of Russia accusing Ukraine of terrorism for the attacks on Crimea Bridge and Moscow Crocus theatre. Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 1 2024 6:03 utc | 179 Honzo | Apr 1 2024 5:48 utc | 177 Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 1 2024 6:07 utc | 180
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Posted by: Down South | Apr 1 2024 6:20 utc | 185 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 31 2024 14:26 utc | 9 Posted by: RB | Apr 1 2024 7:28 utc | 186 The Russian formal request to extradite the nazi terrorists. Going through the motions. Foreplay. He/they are dead man walking. There will most likely be a court hearing with or without them, then they will be killed. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 1 2024 7:47 utc | 187 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Apr 1 2024 6:12 utc | 183 Posted by: Les Dawsonovich | Apr 1 2024 7:49 utc | 188 No chance this wraps up this year – this war is continuing into 2025 – and perhaps for far longer beyond that.” Posted by: Urban Fox | Apr 1 2024 7:51 utc | 189 Wisco | Apr 1 2024 3:14 utc | 158 Posted by: flying dutchman | Apr 1 2024 8:14 utc | 190 187 Posted by: tesla | Apr 1 2024 8:20 utc | 191 Urban Fox | Apr 1 2024 7:51 utc | 189 Posted by: flying dutchman | Apr 1 2024 8:38 utc | 192
Care to elaborate, julian röpke? Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 1 2024 8:40 utc | 193 Not one of them ever clarifies how long would be too long, how many deaths would be too many, or what result could ever falsify their position. That’s because they have no position beyond whatever Putin and the MOD are saying and doing (and especially not doing) at any particular time. They’re pure authoritarian followers with zero position of their own. Posted by: Виктор | Apr 1 2024 8:44 utc | 194 191 Posted by: SlowSoft | Apr 1 2024 8:46 utc | 195 Posted by: flying dutchman | Apr 1 2024 8:14 utc | 190 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Apr 1 2024 9:16 utc | 196 @Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 1 2024 1:21 utc | 136 Posted by: gT | Apr 1 2024 9:26 utc | 197 Some analysts commented that the braindead SloMo only provocates such bloody terrorists attacks with giving SBU, CIA, MI6 all time needed to prepare & perform such operations. Posted by: Виктор | Apr 1 2024 9:28 utc | 198 I think malenkov and UWDude have together touched upon the core issue in esprit de corp in the USA recruitment numbers — we low-level civilians already see in deep bas relief America as an empire and the lowest levels are not benefitting from such empire. Remember, Afghanistan withdrawal was only in 2021. One side saw it was stupid from the beginning, the other later as Tora Bora was bandied about and much later in Pakistan Osama Bin Laden was killed (“killed” as Benazir Bhuto porbably released the cat out of the bag to her own danger). Bit by bit all the lying added up to a shattering of narrative. This isn’t the first time in history games of empire seed the wind and reap the whirlwind… lies, webs, tangles, y’know. Posted by: titmouse | Apr 1 2024 9:30 utc | 199 We should be talking how much longer we want those clowns in their uniforms with those stupid metal bimbles on their chests to tell us what to do. Posted by: jpc | Apr 1 2024 9:35 utc | 200 |
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