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March 24, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-088
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 25 2024 4:03 utc | 203 Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 25 2024 4:38 utc | 201 The four Tajiks just appeared and were charged in a Moscow court, as per BBC. Posted by: AJ | Mar 25 2024 4:51 utc | 202 Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 25 2024 2:00 utc | 184 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Mar 25 2024 5:12 utc | 203 THEORETICALLY POSTURING military in the world. Now we see its true impotence against li’l ‘ol Russia. Posted by: rk | Mar 25 2024 5:21 utc | 204
Posted by: Down South | Mar 25 2024 5:26 utc | 205
Wander around Russian cities on google.com/maps street-view (or its equivalent on yandex.ru/maps (look for “зеркала” or better “панорамы”)) … it’s not unusual to see shop-fronts, kiosks, and signs for western products (eg; “Coca-Cola”) written in the Latin alphabet. Posted by: retroflecks | Mar 25 2024 5:59 utc | 206 U.S. Doubles Down on Defunding UNRWA — Despite Flimsy Allegations Posted by: Menz | Mar 25 2024 6:06 utc | 207 (follows: link to yandex.ru/maps in panorama mode, in the middle of a russia city picked at random (Penza) … see if you can spot the Latin Alphabet) Posted by: retroflecks | Mar 25 2024 6:07 utc | 209 Not that I would encourage Russia to provoke a major war, if they can prevent it. Best to stay with only Ukraine as that is a sure thing. A wider war would open all sorts of possibilities. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 25 2024 6:27 utc | 210 No matter what provocations are made by Ukr or the West, imo, Putin will NEVER murder Zelensky. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 25 2024 6:36 utc | 211
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https://t.me/rezident_ua/22162 Posted by: Down South | Mar 25 2024 7:01 utc | 212 Melaleuca | Mar 25 2024 3:24 utc | 196 ”national Russophobic delusion..” SloMO is working, so, to use an American expression, “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”. Russia must just continue with the SloMO up even beyond the 2025 or 2026 point when Putin said it would end. Those FABulous bombs are doing the job, more of them and bigger of them will do the job better. Russia must just ignore all the provocations and drama queens and persevere on her current course, its the easiest and least disruptive of all the options available to Russia. Posted by: gT | Mar 25 2024 8:01 utc | 216 26 Tu-95 bombers in the air, accompanied by 13 Mig-31 aircraft (probably with Kinzhals). Posted by: Flash | Mar 25 2024 8:49 utc | 218 Nationalism and phobias are of all times. Created chaos and running politics on division in society is everlasting … enduring hate. Much in Europe is centuries old … living in the most extreme fascist times, I see no turning point 🔥 🔥 🔥 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 25 2024 8:52 utc | 219 Re: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 25 2024 6:36 utc | 214
Oh really. Posted by: Julian | Mar 25 2024 8:57 utc | 220 In a prior post I described the Ukraine as “pumping arterial blood”. Anyone with experience with traumatic injuries knows what that means. Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 25 2024 9:05 utc | 221 If I was the three-letter agency behind the Krokus attack, I would set up a “terrorist attack” in Europe next, to convince people it’s islamic terrorism. Posted by: Passerby | Mar 25 2024 9:18 utc | 222
https://t.me/rezident_ua/22163
https://t.me/rezident_ua/22164 Posted by: Down South | Mar 25 2024 9:28 utc | 223 Why does a Russian venue in a suburb of the capital of Russia have an English-language sign at its entrance rather than a Cyrillic-Russian language sign? Posted by: Moscow Exile | Mar 25 2024 9:30 utc | 224 Russia is angry – I understand that. Posted by: NoName | Mar 25 2024 9:31 utc | 225
Posted by: Down South | Mar 25 2024 9:31 utc | 226 From 1999-2014 – tell me exactly what Root Causes in Ukraine that Putin was addressing. That’s over a decade I’m talking about. Posted by: James M. | Mar 25 2024 9:52 utc | 227 An article about a film which purports to give a clear view of events on the battle field, yet it has to be read as seeking to continue the upbeat narrative of the brave Ukrainian patriot resisting the illegal aggression of its larger neighbour. However, even here unwanted truths are evident.
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 25 2024 9:55 utc | 228 @ 228 noname Posted by: james | Mar 25 2024 10:00 utc | 229 Sad that you don‘t see, that that torture is wrong. Posted by: NoName | Mar 25 2024 10:05 utc | 230 Posted by: rk | Mar 25 2024 5:21 utc | 207 Posted by: Mario | Mar 25 2024 10:06 utc | 231 synbolism of the crocus flower in Russia is “youthful gladness and attatchment” a flower symbolism website says .Rusdians flower symbolism is very important to them….especially the number of flowers….superstitions etc Posted by: Jo | Mar 25 2024 10:08 utc | 232 Posted by: Flash | Mar 25 2024 8:49 utc | 221 Posted by: knighthawk | Mar 25 2024 10:10 utc | 233 228…torture evidence????…one of the perps was confronted by two men in the hall and beaten unconscious by them to allow selves and others to escape. Brave men. Posted by: Jo | Mar 25 2024 10:13 utc | 234
@Legitimnyi Posted by: unimperator | Mar 25 2024 10:17 utc | 235 Its just amazing how the western media has suddenly managed to develope feelings for those poor, “tortured“, innocent terrorists. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 25 2024 10:19 utc | 236 Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 25 2024 9:05 utc | 224 Posted by: knighthawk | Mar 25 2024 10:25 utc | 237 @233 noname, Posted by: james | Mar 25 2024 10:41 utc | 238 Due to some “possible facts” how to collapsing that building only by a “normal fire” and where (?) the fire has started by explosions .. pls. remind latest MoA post here from snake :
My previous thinking was: Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Mar 25 2024 10:43 utc | 239 115 Sam Posted by: Jo | Mar 25 2024 10:44 utc | 240 Posted by: Jo | Mar 25 2024 10:13 utc | 237 Posted by: NoName | Mar 25 2024 10:51 utc | 242 * Why would NATO and the US want to provoke Russia, when based on the points listed, there is absolutely no chance for it to win in a conventional war ? …. Nuclear winter would be a bitch. Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 25 2024 10:53 utc | 243 “Yet, these same people turn around and insist that Russia must be very careful not to escalate or else NATO and the US might get involved. How utterly illogical and bizarre because, based on all the points mentioned before, what has Russia to fear ? Pure logical disconnect.” Posted by: NoName | Mar 25 2024 10:51 utc | 245 Posted by: slothrop_tyrone | Mar 25 2024 10:56 utc | 245 2022 Global Military Spend – $2,868,000,000,000 – US$2.86 Trillion I know I have a dirty kind but I can’t stop thinking about Olympic games in Paris 2024. Posted by: Mario | Mar 25 2024 10:59 utc | 247 Posted by: slothrop_tyrone | Mar 25 2024 10:56 utc | 248 Posted by: NoName | Mar 25 2024 11:09 utc | 248 @ noname Posted by: james | Mar 25 2024 11:16 utc | 249 So what? They’ve been doing this for over a year and the lights always come back on Posted by: Nemo Ingenting | Mar 25 2024 11:16 utc | 250 Posted by: Mario | Mar 25 2024 10:59 utc | 250 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 25 2024 11:18 utc | 251 … Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 25 2024 11:19 utc | 252 Well, Putin certainly has spent decades asleep at the wheel in regards to Ukraine then given Russia nominally controlled Ukraine until 2014, but it was revealed at that point that in fact Ukraine was controlled by The West by way of a violent coup – well, at least 80% of Ukraine was controlled by The West – and that fact on the ground continues to this day. Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 25 2024 11:23 utc | 253 Lavieja @106: “…you can’t fairly or correctly blame these movements for the response of the fascist state to them.” Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 25 2024 11:35 utc | 254
All of the pearl-clutching could have been easily avoided, should some videos been redacted or not shown to the public. Yet they were authorised for worldwide distribution. Care to think why? Posted by: Poslan1 | Mar 25 2024 11:39 utc | 255 Sad that you don‘t see, that that torture is wrong. Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 25 2024 11:40 utc | 256 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/isis-leaders-ukraine-tukey-syria-caliphate-al-bara-shishani-a9211676.html Posted by: Jo | Mar 25 2024 11:41 utc | 257 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 25 2024 11:18 utc | 254 Posted by: Mario | Mar 25 2024 11:49 utc | 258 “Actually I’m not at all sure what the term “antisemitic” actually refers to-” Posted by: Simon | Mar 25 2024 11:53 utc | 259 Now consider that the USA / NATO have had an unprecedented 2 years to watch and track every position and every movement of the Russian military not only in Ukraine but right across the line of contact with NATO. Even if a NATO SAM gets destroyed the data it collected is uploaded to a satellite before if get destroyed, The USA has data on every missile, EW system, electronic countermeasure, radar frequency. Posted by: Zippy the Pinhead | Mar 25 2024 11:55 utc | 260 Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 25 2024 11:35 utc | 257 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 25 2024 11:58 utc | 261 And here we go again with the money printing. Posted by: rk | Mar 25 2024 12:01 utc | 262
If you were some of journalists, you might have seen that those “EAR”-injuries were sustained during or before the arrest. On video it is clear, e.g. that the one with the blood on his righth ear had the wound as the security people took him away from the car, which had overturned, which itself would have caused injuries. Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Mar 25 2024 12:02 utc | 263 Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 25 2024 11:40 utc | 259 Posted by: NoName | Mar 25 2024 12:03 utc | 264 torture is wrong and not very effective at getting information, but great at getting compliance in the short run. That said, why focus on the torture of one guy or 4 guys and not on the hundreds of deaths and injuries? it reminds me of Israelis demanding that before one can oppose genocide which has killed up to 200 thousand people one should first focus on the 500 or so Israeli civilians killed on Oct 7th by Hamas. It’s likely they killed fewer Israeli civilians than the IDF, but that can’t be determined yet. Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 25 2024 12:09 utc | 266 Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 25 2024 11:40 utc | 259 Posted by: g wiltek | Mar 25 2024 12:10 utc | 267 I agree with you. But I was not writing how the west would have reacted. Instead I wrote how Russia imho should not react… but as I wrote I understand that Russia is angry. Posted by: slothrop_tyrone | Mar 25 2024 12:11 utc | 268 Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 25 2024 11:40 utc | 259 Posted by: NoName | Mar 25 2024 12:15 utc | 269 Posted by: bored | Mar 24 2024 18:34 utc | 47
such a primitive Posted by: ghiwen | Mar 25 2024 12:22 utc | 270 speaking of terrorism:
notice that bolded part in the quote? Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 25 2024 12:24 utc | 271 forgot in my @274 that was in connection with the coorperation on fight against terrorism Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 25 2024 12:25 utc | 272 Posted by: james | Mar 25 2024 11:16 utc | 252 Posted by: NoName | Mar 25 2024 12:26 utc | 273 All friends meanings here so far, but please: Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Mar 25 2024 12:27 utc | 274
I pretty much agree with everything in your post … at least from an operational perspective. Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 25 2024 12:31 utc | 275 SBU building destroyed in the center of Kiev. Kinzhal literally punched through the middle and caused the entire thing to collapse. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 25 2024 12:43 utc | 276
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again, bolded part. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 25 2024 12:50 utc | 277 Justpassinby @ 274
To quote Kim Dotcom, “rules-based terrorism”. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 25 2024 12:53 utc | 278 Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 25 2024 12:31 utc | 278
Don’t think so. Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Mar 25 2024 12:55 utc | 279 Posted by: Nema Nischta | Mar 25 2024 3:45 utc | 198 Posted by: kupkee | Mar 25 2024 12:59 utc | 280 Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 25 2024 12:50 utc | 280 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 25 2024 12:59 utc | 281 “Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster…” Posted by: MAKK | Mar 25 2024 13:03 utc | 282
https://t.me/MediaKiller2021/12011 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 25 2024 13:14 utc | 283 Nema Nischta @ 198 / kupkee @ 283 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 25 2024 13:14 utc | 284 Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Mar 25 2024 12:55 utc | 282
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 25 2024 13:20 utc | 285 @HB_Norica | Mar 25 2024 13:20 utc | 288
That’s a very good point. I am not a historian, but I can’t think of any such examples either. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 25 2024 13:28 utc | 286 related to the recent declaration of the current occupation government of the ukraine to halt gas-transit trough their “sovereign country”, this today in germany:
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“climate targets”, huh? Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 25 2024 13:34 utc | 287 Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 25 2024 13:20 utc | 288 Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Mar 25 2024 13:37 utc | 288 Releasing pictures of “tortured” terrorists, may have some dissuasive effect on other persons who are involved in various plans, but lack awareness about the possible results on themselves. 1:33 p.m Posted by: ossioss@freenet.com | Mar 25 2024 13:40 utc | 290 ”… Due to climate targets, natural gas will no longer be available in many places in the long term …” Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 25 2024 13:42 utc | 291 “@HB_Norica | Mar 25 2024 13:20 utc | 288 At around 10:30 this afternoon, Russian troops launched an attack on the location of one of the Ukrainian Security Forces units in Kiev. Posted by: ossi | Mar 25 2024 13:49 utc | 293 Every day I despair at the environmental degradation this war is heaping upon “Europe’s best soils”. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 25 2024 2:26 utc | 188 Posted by: CeaClearly | Mar 25 2024 13:50 utc | 294 This RF-UKR conflict (SMO) has now to be “developped” into a real war. Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Mar 25 2024 13:55 utc | 295 tThe failed EU summit and the question of aid to Ukrainet Posted by: ossi | Mar 25 2024 14:00 utc | 296 I am not a historian, but I can’t think of any such examples either. Posted by: rk | Mar 25 2024 14:00 utc | 297 reply to 204 Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 25 2024 14:01 utc | 298 Yesterday, I mentioned my belief that an IS franchise likely played a role in the Crocus atrocity. Posted by: Old Sovietologist | Mar 25 2024 14:04 utc | 299 Posted by: ossi | Mar 25 2024 13:49 utc | 296 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 25 2024 14:07 utc | 300 |
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