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March 24, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-088

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine.

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29, 75, 78
Because rock n roll is Ameican English. Even Shaman, who is an impressive singer and about as patriotic as you could get, is firmly in the rock n roll idiom.
When Russian Jews were coming to America (and Vienna) back in 80s the ones I knew were Russian a long time before they were Jewish. They knew hundreds of basic r n r songs in English, had learned English from the music. Lots of evenings with rock n roll standards done as folk songs with an acoustic guitar and group singing.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 24 2024 20:58 utc | 101

It is imperative that President Putin uses caution when attending memorial services for those who lost their lives in the terrorist incident in Moscow. Any movements and locations that are predictable might be mined or put in the line of sight of snipers. There is a possibility that this entire event is a trap designed to place Putin in the line of fire during the following week. In their current state of desperation, the Ukrainians are capable of anything.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 24 2024 21:01 utc | 102

No matter what provocations are made by Ukr or the West, imo, Putin will NEVER murder Zelensky.
1. It won’t change/solve anything for the SMO. It would be used by the West as an escalating provocation. Imagine how Macron, Sholz, Biden, MSM would all ‘go off’ from such an assasination. It would invite StormShadows, or worse, onto the Kremlin.
2. Murder it is, and that is 100% against Putin’s credo (these days. Let’s leave aside his reputed KGB past!). One could argue that it is wartime, and that taking out the Ukrainian Supreme Commander is fair play. But (in Putin’s mind) Zelensky was a democratically elected leader. And it’s not wartime, but SMO-time. To him, killing the Ukrainian President would be a massive crime against the Ukrainian people. Budanov is a different matter. He is an appointed military combattant and a Nazi terrorist. Zelensky is just a ultra-nationalist dumbfuck dictatorial puppet.
3. It would play right onto the West’s present narrative, and history’s records, of how Putin assassinated a national leader. And that would make him a terrorist in his own eyes and those of all the international courts which the mob would bring down upon him. That would be yet another barb in the Russian reputation as “barbarian killers of civilised people”.
4. All besides, it’s just a cinema with 300 dead and wounded. It is not really an attack against Russia as a state. They/he have survived numerous symbolic political terrorist acts.
5. Putin knows, deep down, as do I, that Zelensky is gunna get a lot more suffering and nasty eventual karma from other sources … sooner or later. But of course Russia will be blamed. So Putin just waits, waits for Zelensky’s number to come up via his many other enemies, hoping the circumstances irrefutably incriminate not-the-Kremlin.
6. Like so many, I too wish the Z-cockroach would be exterminated. Just one little well timed drone into his entourage would fix him. Gosh, I’d accept $5,000 if I thought I could get away with sniping him enroute somewhere. But our man in Moscow and his people have much more to lose from such a pointless act than myself.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 24 2024 21:03 utc | 103

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 24 2024 21:03 utc | 103
Ze-man is losing legitimacy as a president soon. Some sources say it’s happening these days in March, but other sources say it’s supposed to happen around May 20th.
At that point, Ukraine will be without a legal power structure. This may open some new developments in terms of breaking up. Especially if coinciding with further crumbling of the lines.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 24 2024 21:11 utc | 104

It is very interesting that the same type of english people(who are anti-communists, anti-blacks, anti-muslims, anti-catolics) started the same sort of propaganda(like used against russians and communists) against The Germans after 1989 the Frenchs and Europeans in general. First England did not want germany reunited(though during cold war it suggested that only Russians are against it). soon after German reunification and even before disintegration of Soviet union ,England changed the lie-tactics(through media and government) against Europe. There is one more thing. nato was supposed to counter warsaw pact, with the latter gone there was no discussion as to nato should be wound uop or not. Europe does not need nato. Europe can have and should have her own defence system as is the Germo-Franco_Italian_Spanish collaboration. that European defence pact must be strengthened rather than germany supporting nato. Actually england needs nato to prop up its nasty influence in military matters. With the help of usa and nato has england been able to prop up her influence. In fact england is anti-Europe and through nato it wants to keep a tab on european affairs and not let Europe get strong on her own. As england can not do this own her own it has let America involved in it(during empire days england hardly shared power with America but it needs America now). Germany or Europe does not need nato. In fact nato is the greatest enemy(through england)of germany and europe. How can england be so much anti-Germany,working dso much against German interests and be a major partner in common defence pact?It is a ludicrous situation. England manipulates financial market(in last 8 years through recession and what not london market has risen 3 fold while far Eastern markets-who are the main producers of consumer goods-has fallen drastically.). That is why it pumped up the value of pound before joing european systems- ofcourse it was unsustainable but for devaluation of pounds the Germans and some jews(as said by bbc) were blamed. As england does not want German or any other European country to get economically strong and be financially independent of london market, it opposed Single currency vehemently.Even a so called left-paper like Guardian was suggesting that if Schroeder(of german spd party) were the chancellor than he would give more say(than others in europe) to England-so it would have been good. In other word they want special treatment for themselves. Why? When they talk of sovereignty is england not the main country pushing, threatening and cajoling the third world to accept World bank and IMF(created by america for englands interest) so called structural reform regardless of people’s wishes. If other countries’s destiny can be controlled by bureaucrats in IMF. then why not England’s by European’s bureaucrats? England is the most bureaucratic and centralised country in europe with all the regional making machinery smashed by the government with the help of bbc and all other propaganda machinery. And that England talks of local development and bureaucracy of European commission.Single european currency is a must for Europe not only for european economic advantage and stability but also because it will smash england’s power of financial market manipulation. In Fact the rest of Europe should actively discourage england to join Euro, because then englnd@s financial power will be smashed and it will be good news for Europe and the rest of the world. Not only England want to eat rotten, viral infected meat but also wants to force feed the the rotten thing to the Europeans. When germany resists this nasty move on part of england to take rotten meat ,then germany-already a villain in their eyes -becomes a super villain. As soon as the news leaked out of viral infected meats, the first reaction of bbc was not as to why it happened but ”Can Europe ban the export legally?-has it got the right?”. there was never a hue and cry about cruel treatment of cows who were forced fed on infected animal meats(cows are vegetarian). This sort of so called commercial farming is the thing which has been pushed down the through of rest of world through GAT. which was made to suit anglo saxons’ interest.France was right to oppose gat in this form. If the similar thing happened in any other country in the world then this the same british media including bbc would hape said a cruel, primitive practice for rotten meat with no regard for peoples health or animals@ welfare. In fact for showing so much cruelty to animals in this case it is not the animals which should be killed but the peoples(british farmers and their media propagandists). There was and is always a support for such disgusting affairs by the british peoples and it shows what sort of people they are. we will eat british meat even if it is rotten.

Posted by: Sam | Mar 24 2024 21:12 utc | 105

What I’ ve learned the last days: Russia is a torture regime.

Posted by: Apollyon | Mar 24 2024 21:16 utc | 106

Russia struck Ukraine’s largest gas storage facility in Lwow/Stryj. This gas storage was 4x larger than Germany’s largest gas storage facility.
Since 2022, EU used this Stryj gas storage facility to increase their own storage capacity, that is, EU relied on it to act as a buffer to provide gas.
This may have serious consequences for EU for a while in gas prices and increase damage in the economy.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 24 2024 20:51 utc | 98
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During the attack in the capital, Ukrainian monitoring sources confirmed strikes in the Khmelnitsky region. There is the notorious Stakonstantinov airfield located in the region. The airfield was reportedly used for the massive night attack on Crimea.
[https://southfront.press/military-overview-second-wave-of-russian-strikes-pounded-ukrainian-west/%5D
That facility hosts underground facilities for StormShadows, preparation for F-16s and a few other items. Google Earth has good pics.
The Russkies got their money’s worth on this one.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 24 2024 21:16 utc | 107

@Ziri | Mar 24 2024 20:47 utc | 94
I think you make too much of the signage. There are many other reasons for choosing this venue for the attack – you point to something incidental.

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 24 2024 21:18 utc | 108

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 24 2024 21:16 utc | 107
The method of attack on Crimea has been a bit of mystery.
You’d think they are using bases like Starokonstantinov and Kanatovo to launch their fighters. But is it possible the missiles are armed to the aircraft in Poland, and those bases are just used as refueling points?
Well, maybe not, considering periodically Storm shadow stockpiles are reported as hit.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 24 2024 21:26 utc | 109

Posted by: Apollyon | Mar 24 2024 21:16 utc | 106
they still have a lot of catching up to do with all the cia blacksites around the world.
what does that make amerika?

Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 24 2024 21:27 utc | 110

Ze-man is losing legitimacy as a president soon. Some sources say it’s happening these days in March, but other sources say it’s supposed to happen around May 20th.
At that point, Ukraine will be without a legal power structure. This may open some new developments in terms of breaking up. Especially if coinciding with further crumbling of the lines.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 24 2024 21:11 utc | 104
Ah yes, true. Forgot about that. That might change Z’s political status but still, an assasination would be a very non-Putin thing to do. Personally, I can’t see the legal status thing changing anything much. It’s what the puppeteers want which steers the Rada.
I’m aware that Z’s popularity will approach zero as the truth about his gaslighting the Ukrainian people over 2 years seeps out, so we can perhaps hope a public lampost hanging in The Maidan becomes his fate. Or maybe 6 months after his step down, a mysterious accident occurs whilst driving on a family holiday in Monarco. 😉 😉

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 24 2024 21:27 utc | 111

Sam #105
FFS Sam, learn to use paragraphs … that is if you want to be read. You’re just a ranter, a raver. Ignored forever again.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 24 2024 21:32 utc | 112

More on the strike on Stryj gas storaage facility.
ZeRada writes that this facility was also a passthrough point of Russian gas to the EU. That is, Russia was still receiving sales from gas that passed through it.
Regardless, priorities have seemed to now change after this terrorist attack. No more business as usual for anyone.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 24 2024 21:36 utc | 113

What I’ ve learned the last days: Russia is a torture regime.
Posted by: Apollyon | Mar 24 2024 21:16 utc | 106
What I learned. Ukraine murders innocent people en masse.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 24 2024 21:38 utc | 114

All the vile accusation against Russia is led and started by who else-the english vile nation and it is not coincidence.– according to them Russia is Led by the “new Hitler” (quoting Prince Charles) who was engaged in a “sinister resurrection of Stalin” (Anne Applebaum), it was “tempted to destroy NATO, via the Baltics” (Edward Lucas). This country was so terrifying that the head of Mi5 announced it was a “growing threat to the UK” when he was looking for more money.
2014
RUSSIA, WAKE UP, WAR IS UPON YOU!
This is war. It has come upon Russia from the anglos controlled West, once again, in every conceivable way except open military confrontation. This is because the anglos are is cunning and a coward. They want to beat Russia without any cost to themselves, so they have repeatedly said that they will not send troops to Ukraine because they think they can defeat Russia with their sanctions. And the anglos are increasing their sanctions. Russia is paying a price without getting anything for it!
Just like in 90’s Russia allowed herself to be looted of wealth., Women and honour without inflicting any damage to their tormentor the English race and its satellites.
https://twitter.com/crimesofbrits
or rather English race- scotland does not want to share the thieving race’s loot but is forced to.

Posted by: Sam | Mar 24 2024 21:39 utc | 115

Wait a second. If memory serves president at the time Trump warned the Russians of a terrorist attack in Syria and was called a traitor and should have his secret clearance removed (the president?). But now people claim US told Russia about a terrorist attack and now Western intel are heroric.

Posted by: Erelis | Mar 24 2024 21:40 utc | 116

unimperator | Mar 24 2024 21:36 utc | 113
Biden regime has lost control of events. Expect to see a huge spike in energy prices next week.

Posted by: Ned | Mar 24 2024 21:43 utc | 117

BREAKING: Ukraine’s military intelligence confirms the destruction of two more Russian “Large Landing Ships” – Yamal and Azov. They were both part of the Black Sea Fleet.
Azov & Yamal eh.
Russia is Expert in turning almost won wars into frozen conflicts of quagmire.
I see putinistas continues the policy of lying to themselves and their audience in order to keep the years long narrative of “Russia Strong” viable. Is there any wonder that very little of what is written here by the author and the commentators ever comes to fruition? Anyway here is the reality

Posted by: SAM | Mar 24 2024 21:44 utc | 118

Posted by: SAM | Mar 24 2024 21:44 utc | 118
That’s your problem. About 80% of claims from GUR and psycho-Budanov aren’t true. Yet western clowns likes to cite them as the gospel truth.
That is why Ukraine is losing the war. They think they are doing approximately 5x better than they are actually doing. 80% of everything is BS.
The satellite images show no damage to either landing ship. And even on the pier only a small darkened/charcoaled spot.
https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1771981701851312626

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 24 2024 21:53 utc | 119

Why is Russia so naive or so negligent?. AS SOON as americans warned bout terrorist Ttack to Russian’s I realised that something was up a week later text president Obama visited England at 29 diw ING street on false pretext of talking about artificial intelligence.
Immediately I understood that terrorist operation was being planned in London. Why do Russian’s keep on sleeping over their security despite plenty of prior warning signs? Total fail of security service and of common sense.

Posted by: Sam | Mar 24 2024 21:54 utc | 120

@SAM | Mar 24 2024 21:44 utc | 118
https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1771986366622282189
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJdcNTkW4AABZav.jpg:large
Devastating, right?

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 24 2024 21:56 utc | 121

@ Justpassinby
“they still have a lot of catching up to do with all the cia blacksites around the world.
what does that make amerika?”
We all know that the USA are a torture regime.
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster…”

Posted by: Apollyon | Mar 24 2024 21:57 utc | 122

How is it possible that Ukraine still has so many military airplanes?
Posted by: vargas | Mar 24 2024 20:40 utc | 89
They get them from all over the world. The USA’s out hunting for them … They’re scrap to all the old Warsaw Pact countries and the USA’s paying cash or weapons deals for them. They can put together aircraft from the boneyard and make a buck on it.
Ukraine started the war with 11 functional SU-24’s as of today they had 15. Do the math.
As for how the Russians haven’t shot them down they could fly at treetop level back and forth to NATO bases. Those Sukhoi’s are rugged, they can be hidden in fields and flown off highways … they may just be hidden in Ukraine.
1400 SU-24 airframes were built and Russia ended up with about 500 after the breakup. A hand full have crashed or been shot down. Quite a few probably ended up with NATO. So there is anywhere up to 700 airframes out there somewhere.
Also consider that it’s not in Russia’s best interests in strategic terms to go to war against an alliance whose population is more than 6X greater than theirs. They might be able to beat them but now may not be the best time or place to attempt it. The fact that there are so many attempts to get Russia to escalate tells me that someone isn’t happy with the situation in Ukraine and wants to change it. The only reason to try to provok Russia is to get Russia to react in such a way as to make them weaker … like get them fighting with NATO.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 24 2024 21:58 utc | 123

I see putinistas continues the policy of lying to themselves and their audience in order to keep the years long narrative of “Russia Strong” viable. Is there any wonder that very little of what is written here by the author and the commentators ever comes to fruition? Anyway here is the reality
Posted by: SAM | Mar 24 2024 21:44 utc | 118
The “reality” is that Ukraine is basically on its knees. Even though you, Mr Sam, try to propogate otherwise on here and Ive no doubt in other places online. You fail to see what is really happening on the ground….the smashing of Ukraine power grids, the destruction of artillery weapons, the elimination of huge numbers of ukraine troops. You are blind, or, more than likely can see exactly whats going on but need to complete your mission and earn your corn from the NAFO generals. You are a liar Mr Sam! An out and out LIAR!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 24 2024 22:00 utc | 124

@SAM
Devastating, right?
The main question is how in the world Russians cannot manage the interceptions of those Storm Shadows… I mean especially in Sevastopol or Crimea where they know it’s a 100% target!
This is where nothing should ever pass…

Posted by: Innuendo | Mar 24 2024 22:04 utc | 125

Once again, can somebody please explain me this photo: https://t.me/intelslava/56539
“One of the terrorists who carried out the massacre at Crocus City Hall visited the shopping center on March 7. This was reported by a photographer working part-time at Crocus.”
So this guy inspected the place where he planned to carry out a terrorist attack and had on this occasion a photographer take his picture? Have I got this right?
Posted by: Apollyon | Mar 24 2024 16:09 utc | 11

The photographer was there taking pictures of everyone. He caught the terrorist as one of the visitors. Upon seeing himself photographed the terrorist could have grabbed the camera and destroyed it but that could have led to his arrest. And he wasn’t going to be showing his face when he returned anyway.

Posted by: Cheney | Mar 24 2024 22:13 utc | 126

Regarding Zelenskyy and the legitimacy of government, is it currently lawful to draft those 27 and younger? If not, then I think that making that so is going to have to be Job One for Zelenskyy now, or the next government in the future. Either that or do the smart thing, and ask for peace. Russia has the training cadres, the ability to equip, and likely enlistment, to start increasing the size of the army it’s fielding in Ukraine by a number that more than equals any number of soldiers NATO might conceivably send.
And because that is the case, it becomes less and less conceivable that over time America would even consider putting more than a token number of support troops and technicians, way behind the lines at that, in Ukraine, and thus there would be no logic or will for lesser armies to dare what America wasn’t foolish enough to fail at. Any discussion in a democracy about going all in on supporting Ukraine would inevitably lead to the final word being “We might win, but before we did Putin would likely use nukes”. And that would be the end of the discusion, for a variety of obvious reasons.
Macron is an exception to such thinking, because in a backassed way he might see a political advantage for himself in standing resolute while French troops got chewed up. I’m not saying I grok what calculus he might be using, but he looks the type to delude himself into thinking he’s mastered Martian math. lol 😆 😉

Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 24 2024 22:14 utc | 127

Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 24 2024 21:58 utc | 124
Here’s another fun fact.
Most people in the west don’t even know the amount of stuff Ukraine had in the beginning of the SMO.
They literally think Nato built Ukraine’s tank forces (most people think Ukraine had less than 500 tanks and they killed Russian tanks at something like 5x + ratio).
Most people do not know Ukraine had 52 divisions of S-300 launchers in the beginning of SMO. That constitutes, over 300 launchers and associated radars.
Most people don’t know the crap ton of Tochka-U’s ballistic missiles Ukraine had, which actually have a similar or longer range than ATACMS. Albeit slightly worse accuracy. They think Ukraine only got ballistic capabilities after they got some ATACMS.
And now most people think Patriot PAC-3s surpass the S-300 (it does not, by a long shot). Most people think Storm Shadows and SCALPs are game changers. Well not, when you have about 10 launch platforms.
Some sometimes leak through, but generally the capability to target them is there as all the necessary updates have been done after some learning rounds.
Most people also still think F-16 will be a massive game changer, etc. But there’s a pretty good reason US doesn’t want to hand them out, only a few idiot vassals.
The Baltic states are currently at peak idiocracy.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 24 2024 22:16 utc | 128

I see putinistas continues the policy of lying to themselves and their audience in order to keep the years long narrative of “Russia Strong” viable. Is there any wonder that very little of what is written here by the author and the commentators ever comes to fruition? Anyway here is the reality
Posted by: SAM | Mar 24 2024 21:44 utc | 118
The “reality” is that Ukraine is basically on its knees. Even though you, Mr Sam, try to propogate otherwise on here and Ive no doubt in other places online. You fail to see what is really happening on the ground….the smashing of Ukraine power grids, the destruction of artillery weapons, the elimination of huge numbers of ukraine troops. You are blind, or, more than likely can see exactly whats going on but need to complete your mission and earn your corn from the NAFO generals. You are a liar Mr Sam! An out and out LIAR!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 24 2024 22:00 utc | 125
Theyve always lied. Ever since 2014. Its one BIG lie theyve perpetrated. Two years ago, they were living in a Hollywood movie…even the stars of the silver screen visited them…..oh, they were on their way to Crimea. The reality today is very different for them. The tables have turned and people like sam is still living in the dream….which is actually a nightmare for him.

Posted by: Jesper from London | Mar 24 2024 22:17 utc | 129

103
imagine they took out Hitler, Himmler & Goebbels in time
Russia today would have 300 million inhabitants
Imagine they took out Gorbi & Jelzin in time

Posted by: tesla | Mar 24 2024 22:24 utc | 130

Anyway here is the reality
Posted by: SAM

All you do with such foolish and obvious deception is piss into the wind – that isn’t rain all over your face no matter how strenuously thou dost protest.
It’s amusing to watch the paroxyms of retards. Sad to think of all those that died in vain for their dreams.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 24 2024 22:26 utc | 131

I am not a Putinist, but I think that Russia has to continue in slow motion as it ha snot the capabilities to fight NATO as a whole, except nuclear. I agree with HB_Norica. So we cannot except some spectacular reactions from Russia. As Dima said tonight, Russia had to give up attacks in certain directions where Ukraine was too strong. This all shows that Russian ha snot decided for a total war unlike Ukraine and The West. So, it has to go in slow motion. The slow motion is not a chosen strategy among several others. No. The sloe motion war is the only optimal strategy for Russia.

Also consider that it’s not in Russia’s best interests in strategic terms to go to war against an alliance whose population is more than 6X greater than theirs. They might be able to beat them but now may not be the best time or place to attempt it. The fact that there are so many attempts to get Russia to escalate tells me that someone isn’t happy with the situation in Ukraine and wants to change it. The only reason to try to provok Russia is to get Russia to react in such a way as to make them weaker … like get them fighting with NATO.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 24 2024 21:58 utc | 124

Posted by: vargas | Mar 24 2024 22:27 utc | 132

I see putinistas
Posted by: SAM | Mar 24 2024 21:44 utc | 118

You see intellectuals, something noone will ever accuse you of being, sorry to say. Have you finished your little tantrum? There’s lots more Russian winning to come, so best suck it up buttercup.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 24 2024 22:28 utc | 133

Posted by: bevin | Mar 24 2024 19:35 utc | 67
Thanks for the outbreak of laughter your comment brought forth…
As is said in Buddhism to such speech, ” well-said, well-spoken, well-done…

Posted by: donten | Mar 24 2024 22:32 utc | 134

what wd kiev do without western media covering for its many lies? thats wot i wd like to know.

Posted by: Glasgow Mick | Mar 24 2024 22:35 utc | 135

by Innuendo | Mar 24 2024 22:04 utc | 126
There is nothing of importance in Sevastopol anymore exposed.Just empty buildings, with I think, around 20 very deep hardened bunkers disseminated around Crimea.
There is a new soon to be fully functioning to the specs railroad bypassing the Kerch Bridge.Those landing ships are rather intact, and were taxis for Syria, also sometimes a ferry line, used for avoiding military equipment to go over the bridge. Anything Ukraine does is hopeless. With some 26 strategic bombers and about 15 MIG-31 we will see in one hour how many targets were on the menu tonight. The Russian missilery is so advanced and exceptional that it gets a lot less accolades than it really deserves. To plan such missile missions, requires so much work and intelligence behind that it is not possible to match in practice and in an experience by any relevant power today. I just hope that Chinese and Iranians are updated on this in detail. Russian missilery art of war is going to be in the future military books of every country that has a military to study it for years to come.

Posted by: whirlX | Mar 24 2024 22:37 utc | 136

As has been well laid out here in the past, it’s hard to imagine Russia targeting Zelenskyy. However, before too long it won’t be so inconceivable, imo, for Russia to announce that every administrative building in Kiev was fair game, now that Ukraine was on a total war footing.
I suppose a Russian spokesperson could elaborate and say no bunker buster missiles would be employed, and civilian employees in the fall out shelters would be saved, albeit the exits to the shelters might have to get dug out afterwards. But this could compel Zelenskyy to either be seen as fleeing Kiev, or to operate from his command and control bunkers from that point forward, and cue the Der Untergang parody videos.
https://youtu.be/Gh55YXHLzQ4?si=61UKOa3SjfQg1FKk

Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 24 2024 22:38 utc | 137

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 24 2024 21:03 utc | 103
This attack will reinforce the Russian troops on the ground policy of making sure foreign mercenaries and Azov individuals all “die in combat.”

Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 24 2024 22:40 utc | 138

With the perps in custody, it wont be long before one of them breaks their silence and spells out the links to Ukraine. Zelensky is now shitting his panties about this possibility.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 24 2024 22:40 utc | 139

” Also consider that it’s not in Russia’s best interests in strategic terms to go to war against an alliance whose population is more than 6X greater than theirs. They might be able to beat them but now may not be the best time or place to attempt it. The fact that there are so many attempts to get Russia to escalate tells me that someone isn’t happy with the situation in Ukraine and wants to change it. The only reason to try to provok Russia is to get Russia to react in such a way as to make them weaker … like get them fighting with NATO.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 24 2024 21:58 utc | 124 ”
Once again, I’m amazed on the strange, circular logic frequently presented here. Its almost, like some of you are some kind of oblivious AI that keeps repeating the illogical statements, so to summarize some of the popular bizarre narrative here:
* Russia can wipe the floor in a conventional war with, NATO and the US.
* Russian weaponry is far superior to the US / NATO. The F-16 is crap, the Abrahams, is crap, the Patriots are crap and so on ………
* Ukraine forces are depleted and only composed of old conscripts, women, and fearful incompetent mercenaries.
* Ukraine has run out of ammunition and is running on fumes.
* The West can never match the weapons and ammo production capacity of Russia. Not to mention the addition of NK, Iran, and China.
* The Chinese are secretly helping the Russian’s out and would intervene in any NATO attack on Russia.
* Russian hypersonic missile capability is unmatched and can take out any target, including US warships rendering the US navy impotent.
* The US and European populations are weak soy boys and LGTB adherents meaning NATO armies are in no shape for combat. Nor to they have the numbers to field full armies.
* Why would NATO and the US want to provoke Russia, when based on the points listed, there is absolutely no chance for it to win in a conventional war ?
and so on ………………………..
Yet, these same people turn around and insist that Russia must be very careful not to escalate or else NATO and the US might get involved. How utterly illogical and bizarre because, based on all the points mentioned before, what has Russia to fear ? Pure logical disconnect.
I’m sure that some of you will start talking about the potential for a nuke exchange, but riddle me this, if the US was willing to use nukes to stop a conventional Russian win in Ukraine, why wouldnt they be willing to use them when the US will supposedly be in some social / economic / political collapse in the future ? Do you think the US / Israel are just going to relinquish their control and power and fade gently into the night ?
Honest answers are appreciated.

Posted by: Moonie | Mar 24 2024 22:47 utc | 140

Melaleuca | Mar 24 2024 20:19 utc | 84–
I wouldn’t say it was an intel failure. I anticipated that sort of attack soon after the SMO start; many miniature versions later we have a big show that fortunately was done rather poorly. IMO, Russia got a little too confidant and relaxed. More acts of sabotage and smaller shootings will occur. The overall conflict that’s been ongoing for decades will continue until NATO is disbanded. How that will occur and when are unknowns. What’s been revealed, however, is the UK’s undeclared war against Russia. IMO, Russia must safeguard its Arctic energy resources and facilities against sea drone attacks. And after Ukraine’s over, IMO that undeclared war will continue.
The longstanding war against Russia is like an onion with many layers exposed overtime. Taking away the ability to manipulate markets and throttle international trade and banking from the Outlaw US Empire and its main vassals UK and France will strike a devastating blow and greatly reduce their power, but that has yet to occur. That the Global Majority are allied with Russia and China is good but only Russia and China have the muscle to push the hegemon off its hilltop.
It’s a day of mourning in Russia, which is now close to ending. The Kremlin published a photo of Putin lighting candles inside a church, likely the one located on his state-owned Moscow dacha compound. He took a few phone calls but no other news was published.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 24 2024 22:49 utc | 141

Posted by: whirlX | Mar 24 2024 22:37 utc | 137
Thanks! Wonderful post and you are so right.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Mar 24 2024 22:49 utc | 142

maybe the investigation of the source and course of the fire and collapse of the building will identify the persons responsible.. ?
Posted by: snake | Mar 24 2024 14:27 utc | 640
Posted by: snake | Mar 24 2024 16:36 utc | 20
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If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
Fat chance. Most of the MoA barfly money is on MI6 planning and coordinating, Icky Vicky endorsing, USA supporting and Ukraine executing.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 24 2024 22:52 utc | 143

Jesper from London @ 130

Two years ago, they were living in a Hollywood movie…even the stars of the silver screen visited them

Nobody loves you when you’re down and out.
I forgot all about those jack-off stars. Where’d they all go? Fair weather friends? Fat gratuities dried up? Bono, Penn, Jolie, et al realized Zelensky and Ukraine was a career killer, that whatever global audience those washed up has-beens had wasn’t half as stupid as them?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 24 2024 22:54 utc | 144

The power of English. Where you can say ‘we celebrated the six month anniversary’ and not sound silly.
Posted by: hopehely | Mar 24 2024 19:33 utc | 66
Heh. Indeed. A very “flexible” language.
Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 24 2024 19:39 utc | 69
I don’t know why Americans can’t just say ‘sexalunaversary’ like normal folks. Or ‘demianniversary,’ if you don’t like ‘sex.’

Posted by: Honzo | Mar 24 2024 22:55 utc | 145

Moonie @ 141

Honest answers are appreciated.

I’ve always said Russia is between the hammer and the anvil, what you are witnessing is the difficult struggle to get out of that, so far they haven’t been crushed, history says they won’t be, but history also says they’ll pay a very high price.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 24 2024 23:01 utc | 146

“Russian missilery art of war is going to be in the future military books of every country that has a military to study it for years to come.”
Posted by: whirlX | Mar 24 2024 22:37 utc | 137
You hit the nail on the head with that one.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 24 2024 23:02 utc | 147

@ Moonie | Mar 24 2024 22:47 utc | 141
All those conversations you so poorly misquoted these arguments from had most of the answers and explanations you so patronizingly ask for.

Posted by: boneless | Mar 24 2024 23:17 utc | 148

It seems the gas storage facility in western Ukraine was also hit along with the nearby Nato airfield being prepared for F-16’s.
That apparently is the largest underground storage in Europe. Quite likely the surface infrastructure can be repaired in a relatively short time, but I assume that will once again be a target when it is back up and running. Keeping that out of action by repeated strikes may bite Europe a bit.
It seems Russia is still running this as a special military operation, but the military may now have an expanded range of targeting options.
Russia had already stepped up missile strikes before the terrorist attack and the larger than usual cruise missile strike against Crimea and as expected, no sudden knee jerk reaction from Russian leadership. These look to be desperation attacks, possibly cooked up by UK and France.
There does appear to be a European mini me ‘coalition of the killing’ coming together in Europe.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 24 2024 23:20 utc | 149

Democracy does not guarantee good government, nothing does that. What it does offer is some collective redress for mismanagement.
Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 24 2024 18:03 utc | 38
Those that buy democracy have learned to own both parties, the rewards far outweigh the costs. A country’s Treasury is a vast amount of money, controlling competition via tariffs or regulations to make it difficult is a Godsend to top heavy monopolies that can’t compete. How much is spent on infrastructure, arms, green scams, the list goes on? The rewards are enormous for those that steer government.
The people are generally economic ignoramuses, they vote in those who pad their pockets the most, or those the corrupt media tells them to, good governance, even if possible, is a complete illusion. Democracy is of course good in theory, in the past we were thrown some freedom and enough tidbits that most were happy enough, however the parasites have sucked out so much life out of countries that to now maintain their rate of financial extraction, the people need be bled dry.
Russia’s democracy is questioned, in the end though it currently functions better than ours, that too in time will probably change, the financial parasites are relentless.

Posted by: Organic | Mar 24 2024 23:45 utc | 150

I’ve always said Russia is between the hammer and the anvil, what you are witnessing is the difficult struggle to get out of that, so far they haven’t been crushed, history says they won’t be, but history also says they’ll pay a very high price.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 24 2024 23:01 utc | 147
So let’s look at some History. U.S. 1940 Debt $40 billion/GDP $200 Billion. U.S. 2024 Debt $ 34 Trillion, GDP $ 27 Trillion.
U.S. 1940, an Industrial Powerhouse ready to turn Factories, Ford, GM, and U.S. Steel into the “Arsenal of Democracy” U.S. 2024 an Industrial Joke, whose Military Product is 10 to 20 fold the cost of everyone else.
Yessir, History is a guide, but Facts will determine the outcome, Not Narratives/Fiction.

Posted by: kupkee | Mar 24 2024 23:50 utc | 151

Russia’s Africa Corps has been supporting states in the Sahel that have cut ties with France. Africa Corps replaces what Wagner was doing in Russia and, as far as I can tell, is a part of the official Russian army.
I am sure that factors into what Macron is doing in Ukraine, as France is being incrementally removed from its colonies across Africa.
I keep saying that Russia is making moves on multiple fronts beyond Ukraine. If you’re focused on the Ukraine theater, then you’re missing the other significant military/political activities influencing the greater conflict.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 23:57 utc | 152

Karl.
I wouldn’t say it was an intel failure.…/ ……IMO, Russia got a little too confidant and relaxed………
= intelligence failure.
The Rules of the intel sabotage/terrorism “game”:
1/ Kill Russians. 1 dead Russian = 100% success of op. It doesn’t matter the $$ spent, the resources used, the assets burnt, or the “collateral damage”.
2/ The darkart agencies get unlimited “turns”. They have budgets of billions, can use “weaponise” anything, everything and anyone. They can be thwarted 10,000 times. They still get to keep “playing”
3/ The purpose of FSB is to prevent and defuse every sabotage/terrorism threat and be successful Every Single Time. It’s not “fair”; it’s not realistic; given the number of attempts, and resources aligned against them, it’s not possible to prevail Every Single Time. But that is their job. But when they don’t, it is an intel failure.
4/ The March 22 terrorism was successful. Dead Russians in their hundreds.
5/ That the tier-3 trained Tajiks were sloppy, and were not extracted, bothers no one among those who planned and implemented this.
6/ The tier-3 trained Tajiks will have little useful intel.
7/ The Tajiks had a childlike cartoon hollywood belief in the failing Super Power’s superpowers. They thought they were Bruce Willis|Tom Cruise| Jack Reacher.
They’d heroically stride into a crowded concert hall and kill Russians.
It was all fun and games until one lost an eye, another an ear, and all have surely now lost hope.
Thems the Rules of intel agency terrorism.
I don’t make the Rules. I abhor them. But the Rules are that Russia must defeat every attempt, every time. When they fail, Russians die.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 25 2024 0:04 utc | 153

I am not a Putinist […]
Posted by: vargas | Mar 24 2024 22:27 utc | 133
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Well, that’s putting it mildly…

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 25 2024 0:08 utc | 154

On those crime TV shows popular these days when an individual suddenly bla, bla, blas about a crime to the police, the police get suspicious, and very often they find that person who is talking too much is the one who done it. Well, the sudden bla, bla, bla coming out to the Western press on the behalf of the U.S.A. about who done it regarding this Moscow even before the Russian authoritiers commented makes me really wonder……

Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Mar 25 2024 0:09 utc | 155

Like I say. Zelensky and his hollywood, sorry western, backers must be currently shitting their pants fearing what the perpetrators will tell. Western media is already writing the new episode which states that ISIS did it.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 25 2024 0:16 utc | 156

Attempt 2 to post …
The issue with the gas storage facility destruction is that Ukraine may have pledged to store that gas for Europe.
Oops, it’s gone. Now what? How would you like it if you stored your valuables in a safe deposit box and the bank had a fire?
Bank: Sorry, dawg. Hope you had insurance!
Note: Was there any insurance? I doubt it.
Looks like Europe played FAFO.
This is a smart move by Russia. Europe can now either take a huge write-off, or try to encumber Ukraine with more debt to repay them for the loss of value. Either way, the gas market gets tighter.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 25 2024 0:20 utc | 157

Isn’t the same evil empire behind both ISIS and Ukraine?
Then why does it matter so much who did the deed at the lower level?
But continue with the textual white noise….

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 25 2024 0:22 utc | 158

Jared Kushner served as a senior advisor to Trump from 2017 to 2021
Here h eairs his thoughts on Gaza and its future.
Vanessa Beeley – TG Channel
https://t.me/VanessaBeeley/26122

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 25 2024 0:27 utc | 159

psychohistorian | Mar 25 2024 0:22 utc | 159
The owner of Zionism, Nazism and Islamic extremism. Call Ukraine the melting pot where we can find and see all three operating together. And openly backed by US/UK, not to mention the European elite.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2024 0:27 utc | 160

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 25 2024 0:27 utc | 160
… wrong thread … moved …

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 25 2024 0:28 utc | 161

” All those conversations you so poorly misquoted these arguments from had most of the answers and explanations you so patronizingly ask for.
Posted by: boneless | Mar 24 2024 23:17 utc | 149 ”
Like I said, I wanted honest answers, not topic avoidance, personal attacks, and obfuscation. Additionally, nothing I said is patronizing and I was also paraphrasing, not quoting directly, but of course you knew that and just want to be a wise guy / gal. So let me ask YOU what your answer is to this basic question. Although, I doubt you’ll answer.
” if the US was willing to use nukes to stop a conventional Russian win in Ukraine, why wouldnt they be willing to use them when the US will supposedly be in some social / economic / political collapse in the future ? Do you think the US / Israel are just going to relinquish their control and power and fade gently into the night ? ”

Posted by: Moonie | Mar 25 2024 0:33 utc | 162

Re the EU gas/ energy market.
I have in the back of mind that the gas supply + Ukraine transit contracts that Russia has been compliant with all thru the sloSMO, fall due for renewal end 2024?
Anyone got more info? Interested in digging?
Even if contracts fall due in 2025, … in previous times, negotiations / haggling this far out, would have already heard the starter’s horn.
Take out EU’s storage in Ukraine. Take out the ukie electric grid that was providing almost free power to EU; take out a few more oil storage…remove France’s access to cheap cheap Niger uranium for its nuclear power plants…
There’s probably a reason Shoigu said the sloSMO would run till 2025/6… when the hell that is EU HQ freezes over….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 25 2024 0:35 utc | 163

What do barflies think about these next two comments I saw on RT in English? I live in Brazil, northeast.
Vinnythepooh
Has anyone seen the ‘Site Intel Group’ picture of the four ISIS Moscow terrorists, with baseball caps, and scarves hiding their faces, standing in front of an ISIS flag?
This image has been published and shared by all the Zio-Western media.
Well, the men have the trademark raised index finger, all properly raised.
I have studied this …. all muslims from child to grandmother do this numerous times a day, mostly in their prayers, signalling their belief in ONE GOD (the index finger signals ONE.)
However, it is sacrilegious for muslims to use the left hand to do this signalling. The right hand is absolutely used at all times.
Well in this picture, all the zio dudes have their left index finger raised.
Ooops.
Richard Dames
Vinnythepooh, Well spotted man. Intelligence. CORRECT! Nothing to do with isis. It’s ALL cia DEMONS dressed to LOOK like isis members. This is a TYPICAL cia tactic. Disguised as others to blame THEM! Hence WHY their faces are ALL covered and the video quality so poor! If isis had ANYTHING to do with this, they would have attacked Russia a long time ago.

Posted by: Elber | Mar 25 2024 0:44 utc | 164

Re gas transit contracts, yes, they will expire at the end of 2024. until then Russia delivers about 40million qm of gas daily to Hungary, Austria and Slovakia.

Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Mar 25 2024 0:49 utc | 165

Organic | Mar 24 2024 23:45 utc | 151–
Russia’s financial/investment institution network is mostly in public/state hands and is doing an awesome job of rapidly and deeply developing/modernizing Russia. They’re designing an international system that puts the West out of the money control game, except for their own closed bloc.
Melaleuca | Mar 25 2024 0:04 utc | 154–
Thanks for your reply. Hard to argue with your framing. Currently it’s a different type of Cold War; one could call it a revolt. The Closed Bloc is just that; the Global Majority really has no use for it–7/8s to 1/8th.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 25 2024 0:52 utc | 166

Cubic meters, obviously.

Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Mar 25 2024 0:52 utc | 167

Posted by: Moonie | Mar 24 2024 22:47 utc | 141
Hyperbole is the name of the internet game, from all directions.

Posted by: Eclavdra | Mar 25 2024 0:56 utc | 168

Nudelman and Sullivan should be in the prisoner’s box in Moscow, with one earlobe cut off of each and force-fed to the other (though Sullivan would gag from an overload of sulfur). Maybe suck out an eyeball and box the jaws of both so they resemble their deranged Tajik slaves. Then sentence them to death – the Talmudic Satanist Nudelman fed to a saltwater crocodile and the Nazi-sympathizing Sullivan fed to a tiger shark.

Posted by: Matthew | Mar 25 2024 1:01 utc | 169

Russia needs to implement active defense in the Black Sea. All Russian losses in the Black Sea were caused in non combat situations. Absolutely no Russian losses to combat. The best defense is offence. Russian Black Sea fleet should launch an attack on Odessa and surrounding military facilities. The moment NATO satellites see their movement they will notify Ukraine to target them. This is when VKS can hunt down remaining Ukrainian air assets and support facilities. MIG31, Su-27s with interceptor missiles and Tu-22M3s can hunt them down. If they don’t confront the Russian fleet on the offensive, no problem. It can destroy Ukrainian military facilities around Odessa. It is not exactly an offensive operation but a defensive one to neutralize Ukraine’s attacks on Crimea.

Posted by: Jason | Mar 25 2024 1:11 utc | 170

The two ships reportedly hit in Crimea, whom someone on here stated, is false. Pictures show the ships were not hit, but the connecting jetties were hit.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 25 2024 1:12 utc | 171

@HERMIUS
Yup, the lying shitters “made shit up” again.
When you think about it, they’re really quite pathetic. What kind of dickless fucks can’t even hit a target?
Confirmation:
https://southfront.press/satellite-imagery-confirmed-storm-shadow-missiles-missed-targets-in-sevastopol-crimea/

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 25 2024 1:16 utc | 172

Moonie @ 141
Honest answer?
I’m not sure if this “the” answer, just merely my honest opinion.
NATO or its handlers want Russia to escalate in order to increase the opposition to Russia both within the Western bloc, uncommitted observers and ROW.
Within the Western countries, the so called elites do not have the backing of the masses. Russian aggression can stir up and galvanized the population into resentment against Russia, in the same way US/UK/France/Israel is hated in the ROW.
Will the US use nukes to prevent collapse of hagemon? Yes and no.
If you had been paying attention, the answers have long been provided.
In this day and age, ignorance is not a defense. So, in conclusion, again merely my humble opinion. I believe you’re a cunt.
Cheers

Posted by: Suresh | Mar 25 2024 1:24 utc | 173

Take out EU’s storage in Ukraine. Take out the ukie electric grid that was providing almost free power to EU; take out a few more oil storage…remove France’s access to cheap cheap Niger uranium for its nuclear power plants…
There’s probably a reason Shoigu said the sloSMO would run till 2025/6… when the hell that is EU HQ freezes over….
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 25 2024 0:35 utc | 164
Makes me think of Keating’s “I wanna do you slowly”.
But certainly, what we are seeing is that Russia has set a process in motion. A very well thought out process that allows for the fact that the so called west will wiggle and squirm and pull dirty tricks. Including these provocations that Russia never reacts to in kneejerk manner.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2024 1:25 utc | 174

SATELLITE IMAGERY CONFIRMED STORM SHADOW MISSILES MISSED TARGETS IN SEVASTOPOL, CRIMEA
A day after the massive attack on Crimea, on the evening of March 24, Ukrainian military sources published the satellite imagery in an attempt to assure the public that the billions-worth strikes resulted in heavy damage to the Russian military; but the footage revealed that Kiev lied about the results of the attack. LINK, LINK
On the morning of March 25, the Armed Forces of Ukraine officially declared that two large landing ships Yamal and Azov of the Russian Black Sea Fleet were destroyed in Sevastopol.
Indeed, the satellite imagery of the Sevastopol Bay showed confirmed that two Storm Shadow missiles broke through Russian air defense forces; but they missed their targets. One of the missiles hit the pier next to the large landing ship. Another missile struck an empty dockage facility.
There were no casualties among the sailors during the strike on the ships in the harbor.
It is obvious that the Ukrainian military failed to destroy these ships despite the massive expensive attack.
https://southfront.press/satellite-imagery-confirmed-storm-shadow-missiles-missed-targets-in-sevastopol-crimea/

Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 25 2024 1:27 utc | 175

Fat chance. Most of the MoA barfly money is on MI6 planning and coordinating, Icky Vicky endorsing, USA supporting and Ukraine executing.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 24 2024 22:52 utc | 144
Pretty correct in my opinion.
These latest attacks on RF, including the concert hall massacre have the air of desperation about them.
The Belgogrod incursion was apparently quite large, but has been defeated. I conjecture that the concert hall massacre was supposed to occur while the border action was still in progress, as were the large missile/drone attacks on oil facilities and Crimea.
Reality is that -apart from killing a lot of RF civilians at a concert-all these heroic efforts have resulted in very little for the “noble” Ukraine cause except to raise the revulsion level against the collective West. Actually that may be redundant given the West’s deafening silence on the deliberate starving of the inhabitants of Gaza by their Israeli friends.
BUT IT WAS ISIS or ISIS A, B, C,….the MI6 trolls (and their pets) will scream, and repeat their screams. Had nothing to do with Ukraine or it’s Western friends.
BULLSHIT!!
The ISIS franchise -whatever model A,B, C,D … is well known to be a well constructed tool of Western intelligence agencies including from the 5 eyes and probably the Zionist intelligence services. The Brits (MI6) are a very important component of this overall structure and could undoubtedly summon up a squad of psychopathic murderers at a snap of their little pink fingers. However, seems to me that this particular terror operation was hastily planned with insufficient effort to covering their tracks and hence the frantic wall of denial of complicity -via Ukraine-coming from London and Washington.
At least MI6 have not offered to send a team of their White Helmets to Moscow to assist in recovery operations (SARCASM). But maybe they have and the ignorant and ungrateful Orcs have not yet responded.
I am surprised that SP or some of its clones have not yet (at least to my current knowledge) loudly advocated for nuclear obliteration of Kiev, London and Washington. Wonder why??
OK, I’ve ranted enough, but I think there is much truth in my observations.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Mar 25 2024 1:30 utc | 176

because of the comment by Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 24 2024 21:32 utc | 112 telling Sam to use paragraphs … that is if he wants his stuff to be read. <=I have tried to summarize the post of Sam | Mar 24 2024 20:18 utc | 82 & 86 & 88 & 105 & 109 Sams asserts British foreign policies * promotes international terrorism * such terrorism is not confined to Russian targets. * used Sikh terrorism to destabilize india and * was used Taliban terrorism to destabilize AFGHANISTAN. * is a threat to the whole world. * converts nations into third world status. Sam also identifies Brzezinski as the main architect of ...al-Qaeda ..the Mujahideen in Afghanistan <=.. al-Qaeda <=.Taliban.. Sam asserts London and Washington policies fostered the current terrorist acts. Sam asserts "ALL terrorism in the past 30 years has come from that one source-anglos epscially its evil head the mastermind England. and its 5 satellites." Sam asserts "Russia has to sort out one and only one country England to get rid of pest disease on the earth."" "England manipulates financial markets " "England is the main country pushing, threatening and cajoling the third world to accept World bank and IMF structural reform regardless of people's wishes." England is the most bureaucratic and centralised country in Europe England talks of local development and bureaucracy of European Commission. Single european currency ..will smash england's power of financial market manipulation GAT...was made to suit anglo saxons' interest. asserts when the Americans warned Russia about terrorist followed a week later by president Obama visit to England at 29 downing street Russia should have realized something was up? Sams claims the success of this attack shows a security failure on the part of Russia. Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 24 2024 22:49 utc | 142 What's been revealed, however, is the UK's undeclared war against Russia Yes, I think Karlof1 has clarified the point..both WWI and WWII were also of British origin. <=I can only say, Americans have been trying to get the limies out of America since 1776.

Posted by: snake | Mar 25 2024 1:34 utc | 177

Posted by: Mario | Mar 24 2024 20:55 utc | 100
“Putin is evil is a simple message, Russians be evil not so.”
Interestingly, when they demonize China or Iran, they usually just stick with “China bad” or “Iran bad” rather than excessively mentioning their leaders like they do with Putin.
Perhaps it is because it is easier to mass dehumanize these nations and peoples to Westerners as foreign racial Others.

Posted by: Ghan-buri-Ghan | Mar 25 2024 1:40 utc | 178

Posted by: snake | Mar 25 2024 1:34 utc | 178
Thank you for deciphering and summerising Sam’s contribution.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Mar 25 2024 1:43 utc | 179

Posted by: Moonie | Mar 24 2024 22:47 utc | 141
* Russia can wipe the floor in a conventional war with, NATO and the US.
This is largely not true and based on two older misinterpreted war games focused on the Suwałki Gap that the US military released to the public. The Pentagon runs war games/simulations constantly and has done so for decades. Almost universally they end in nuclear war the second one side gains any advantage. That advantage is considered to be about 3:1 in favor of NATO. NATO’s biggest problem is a populace unwilling to die in a foreign war, making conscription very tricky, and conscription would be needed in all models, even those that favor NATO heavily. It is also widely acknowledged the Russians have very good AD. Satellites and airborne ISR on both sides would be taken down in the early stages of conflict, areas in which NATO has an advantage, but is far more dependent on them. Despite all this, NATO air power has a very real possibility of overwhelming Russian defenses…which triggers nuclear launch.
* Russian weaponry is far superior to the US / NATO. The F-16 is crap, the Abrahams, is crap, the Patriots are crap and so on ………
Many NATO weapon systems are quite good, but also overpriced, hard to maintain, and generally finicky. Not ideal for long-term warfare. The F-16 is a fine plane despite it being 45 years old. It is also a poor choice for the conditions found in Ukraine. Patriots are OK, but a step below S-300/400, also very pricey. Many of these systems were developed before late-stage capitalism had fully taken it’s toll on the MIC. Financialization has curtailed the efficiency of western military production. Some of the best gear is older legacy gear. That said, i could rattle off a couple dozen western weapons systems off the top of my head that are first rate. Big picture is Russians get more bang for the buck out of necessity.
* Ukraine forces are depleted and only composed of old conscripts, women, and fearful incompetent mercenaries.
Ukraine still has a core of very skilled and dedicated soldiers and the combination NATO/Ukrainian leadership has generally provided solid strategy, if not a little wasteful of their soldiers lives. I think it is pretty clear, though, that Ukraine is getting pretty thin up front, and a serious collapse is a very real risk. Nevertheless, I continue with the predictions I made last July, that this war will go until late 2025 early 2026 and won’t result in Russia capturing Ukraine in it’s entirety.
* Ukraine has run out of ammunition and is running on fumes.
This is partially true, but not universal. Western ISR, AD and drones along with mercenaries are keeping Ukraine in the game. Russia has broken through the lines in three areas as of today. Those Ukrainian defensive lines were a long-time in construction and built on very defendable terrain. Beyond are the steppes with fewer urban areas to be used as anchor points. There is a very real risk things could start snow-balling for Ukraine in the near future. I feel that point is many months away, but occasionally I am wrong.
* The West can never match the weapons and ammo production capacity of Russia. Not to mention the addition of NK, Iran, and China.
Late stage capitalism is very inefficient in regards to industrial production, and things are getting worse for the west, not better. That said, the industrial capacity of the USA is often grossly underestimated in some circles. USA isn’t yet where it is heading. China is an industrial powerhouse rivaling post WWII USA. Iran and NK are also very industrially capable. The biggest question for me is how much is China willing to provide and how much can Iran and NK provide when the empire is breathing down their necks.
* The Chinese are secretly helping the Russian’s out and would intervene in any NATO attack on Russia.
The Chinese are helping Russia out, and that is no secret. It is highly probably a NATO attack on Russia would quickly snowball into WWIII, with China on Russians side. How much they would help directly is very debatable, because in most scenarios they end up fighting USA directly in the Pacific.
* Russian hypersonic missile capability is unmatched and can take out any target, including US warships rendering the US navy impotent.
Russian hypersonic missiles are nice weapons, for sure, but their utility is generally overstated. They aren’t bunker-busters or anything remotely approaching even a tiny nuclear weapon in yield. Hypersonic missiles greatest utility is taking out ships, that is true, and it is very likely they would be a lethal anti-navy weapon. Question do remain about the kill-chain and they are unproven as of yet in actual combat.
* The US and European populations are weak soy boys and LGTB adherents meaning NATO armies are in no shape for combat. Nor to they have the numbers to field full armies.
This is an overstatement generally perpetuated and repeated by hard-right types who have little familiarity with actual military matters. It is true, woke politics, like late stage capitalism is starting to weaken the military, but once again, we aren’t where we will be. The modern NATO soldier to me is little different from the ones I knew 30 years ago. The bigger problem is the western public in general has become soft and stupid, therefore if conscription was ever required in would be a disaster.
* Why would NATO and the US want to provoke Russia, when based on the points listed, there is absolutely no chance for it to win in a conventional war ?
and so on ………………………..
Nuclear War is the limiting factor in NATO’s encroachments. It is the one area aside from AD where Russia has an advantage, not that they wouldn’t get hit plenty hard. The Russians are also a tougher people with more social cohesion. The toxic, fractured, stupid and soft American public (those that survive the initial blasts/radiation) would not do well with total societal breakdown, no electricity. The survivors would quickly turn on each other. Nuclear winter would be a bitch.

Posted by: Eclavdra | Mar 25 2024 1:48 utc | 180

” Posted by: Eclavdra | Mar 25 2024 1:48 utc | 181 ”
Finally, an honest logical analysis. Thank you.

Posted by: Moonie | Mar 25 2024 1:56 utc | 181

Barrel Brown | Mar 25 2024 1:30 utc | 177
This cannot be reposted enough:

The ISIS franchise – whatever model A,B, C,D [K!], … is widely known to be a well-constructed tool of Western intelligence agencies including from the 5-eyes and probably ABSOLUTELY the Zionist intelligence services.

This^ is the full-stop punctuation to any angst and nonsense about “was it, or was it not, ISIS”.
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By having the mockingbirds sing “it was ISIS-K” is a way to mock Putin + FSB.
They get to simultaneously brag, “it was us, bitches”, [we are IS-K], while their medicated, mewling, somnambulant masses bleat in fear of a “resurgent” ISIS… (and “muslim” terrorism)

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 25 2024 2:00 utc | 182

Posted by: Moonie | Mar 25 2024 0:33 utc | 163
If one takes an assumption that US is willing to use nukes in so-called-ukraine to stop Russia as fact, then the question answers itself. However, US willing to use nukes is not yet a fact. US empire’s decline will inevitably lead to more wars, started, provoked or incited by them, there is no question there. MAD deterrence might hold, it might, unfortunately, not. Therein lies the importance of managing escalations.

Posted by: boneless | Mar 25 2024 2:03 utc | 183

Re Bankova’s incessant, blatant lying, gaslighting of the Ukrainian people, I just can’t wait until the time when it all comes dribbling or spewing out. Ukies will have their head in their hands crying “I can’t believe it. I just can’t believe it”. The cognitive dissonance will snap many a good mind.
I like to think that someone in their trust, perhaps a well respected Ukrainian investigative journalist (now asleep and blind to the truth) will write a bestselling “How Ukrainians and Europe were lied to All Through Russia’s Special Military Operation, 2022-2024”.
I also wonder what number of everyday Ukies managed to watch the Putin/Carlson interview — very very few I imagine, due to the entrenched censorship, as well as their own hateful biases against all Russia media output. Probably, all they got was the MSM reactive panning of everything Putin said.
It’s a hard journey from delusion to Enlightenment.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 25 2024 2:05 utc | 184

@ bevin 67
My understanding is that in most western countries the central bank owns the “money” . The governments recognise, sanction and enforce this ownership.
The central bank writes its book in the manner that the amount of M1 (cash or equivalent) issued is balanced almost entirely as valid by the amount of government debt it holds ( in other words the government ability to reclaim that cash by taxation). There is little tangible to be found at a modern central bank, it is almost all claims of one kind or another.
They are a partnership, where every four years or so the public are allowed a vote on governance, which is usually not about the monetary system but simply on how to get hold of the most or keep the most “money”.
Therefore, by the level of accountability we are used to, it follows that people fully agree to this framework and so it is of their choice. The public own the show and they therefore must own the money, which unfortunately they don’t actually seem to.
Vote harder I suppose.
Legal tender laws are not what are often imagined either. They do not oblige use of any particular currency, but they oblige it as legal settlement. Seeing as taxes are asked to be settled in fiat, and everything from a simple gift through to paying in btc is taxed, national fiat is made as the main reference in accounting. Businesses don’t want the hassle of accepting other forms of currency for the difficulty it creates in that accounting.
If you want to understand this all better, take a piece of paper and write on each side “Please turn over” .
How governments go about allocating their “revenue” is something else though.
Communism – there are base realities where flat co-operation is most effective for group survival or wellbeing. There are “communist” facets to everyday reality … “here we all are” … but the “common” does not own the individual.
Socialism – tries to compensate for the more complex imbalances of wealth and infrastructure.
Capitalism – not “crony capitalism”, is the incentive that spurs on private initiative and allows calculations of profit and efficiency. The moral framework is of it being of voluntary nature and respectful to others.
Empire and conquest, corruption and mismanagement, monopoly and similar are not proper representatives of economic capitalism. Look for where undue force is involved anywhere.
That is the irony of socialism capitalising off a corrupt system – it isn’t the capitalising that is wrong, it is that a corrupt system actually destroys common capital.
But people have their preferences, and the world has only partly evolved from a feudal reality where readjustment from the previous hierarchies are mixed in with a hundred other influences. An unusual but very dangerous time in history.
I spoke over about all the above once with a very keen Russian theorist, he recognised what I was saying but simply added “People are not ready for that yet”.

Posted by: Ornot | Mar 25 2024 2:11 utc | 185

Every day I despair at the environmental degradation this war is heaping upon “Europe’s best soils”.
Does anyone else consider the MASSES, FKN MASSES, of residual lithium dust in the Donbass soils from hundreds of thousands of exploded FPV drones; the gunpowder and toxic plastic explosives from tens of millions of shells. It’s already coating the topsoils, and will gradually flow into the watercourses, lakes and water tables. In 2 – 100 years, chemical sicknesses and birth deformities will be off the charts if people eat Donbass produce.
In my mind its now a wasteland. Industry only there, never agriculture. No amount of remediation could fix it. Assiduous soil testing will have to quarantine out the bad areas. I hope Moscow has the commonsense not to unthinkingly recultivate the Fields of War. Even the village Dachas, the communal holiday vegie patches, are rubbish tips of spent ammo now, unfit for even kitchen tomatoes, let alone a good annual crop of potatoes. The Babushkas must surely be crying into their aprons.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 25 2024 2:26 utc | 186

Elber@165….US warned Russia, likely not a not CIA op, the main directorate running the Ukrainian shit show is the UK. If you know anything about soft targets easy picks I suggest you familiarize yourself with the UK’s FRU. Nasty pieces of work. They specialize in attacking public places, killing civilians and blaming it on patsies.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 25 2024 2:31 utc | 187

Interestingly, when they demonize China or Iran, they usually just stick with “China bad” or “Iran bad” rather than excessively mentioning their leaders like they do with Putin.
Posted by: Ghan-buri-Ghan | Mar 25 2024 1:40 utc | 179
Really, where are you from? Or better asked, which media do you consume? Here it’s always Xi, the dictator or in the case of Iran, the bad mullah regime.

Posted by: Zet | Mar 25 2024 2:32 utc | 188

“…socialism and capitalism are essentially the same. Both rely on government money (fiat), they just distribute it in two different ways.” Catilina | Mar 24 2024 17:34 utc | 34
Supposing that you were right (you aren’t) could you not see the difference between a government that distributed its revenues to the poor, the sick and the helpless and one which spent the money on booze, whores and deposits in Swiss bank accounts?
My guess is that you probably can’t.
Posted by: bevin | Mar 24 2024 19:35 utc | 67
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Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet? Quem ad finem sese effrenata iactabit audacia? Nihilne te nocturnum praesidium Palati, nihil urbis vigiliae, nihil timor populi, nihil concursus bonorum omnium, nihil hic munitissimus habendi senatus locus, nihil horum ora voltusque moverunt?
Patere tua consilia non sentis, constrictam iam horum omnium scientia teneri coniurationem tuam2 non vides? Quid proxima, quid superiore nocte egeris, ubi fueris, quos convocaveris, quid consili ceperis quem nostrum ignorare arbitraris?
O tempora, o mores!
Thank you, bevin. He won’t stop anyways.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 25 2024 2:49 utc | 189

I like to think that someone in their trust, perhaps a well respected Ukrainian investigative journalist (now asleep and blind to the truth)…
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 25 2024 2:05 utc | 186
There are many. But nothing a little censorship can’t block. The average Ukie? that could be a population anywhere.
The common people of the land. You know, morons” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYTQ7__NNDI

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2024 3:01 utc | 190

OK I have decided to repost a piece/post I initially made in this week’s ‘off-topic’ thread in response to a link in this weeks reading list of subjects. Unfortunately that thread has once again become the site for an interminable and pointless re-hashing of the ‘true object of bolshevism’ an excellent subject if one has little else current to consider but imo totally pointless in a world where Socialism in any form is currently on its back foot and pressing issues arise from western foreign policy’s efforts to force neoliberalism down everyone’s throat.
Maybe some in the ukraine thread will be interested in this as it reflects almost exactly the Russian Federation’s current conflict strategy. Here is that post:
If people read nothing else on b’s list this week I suggest they read former Nato officer Alex Vershinin’s excellent The Attritional Art of War: Lessons from the Russian War on Ukraine which provides an excellent account of the differences between attritional warfare and the far more popular in the west manoeuvre warfare that is shortlived, requires less industrial capacity and works well in situations where the force has a technological advantage over their opponents.
It is likely that Fukus/Nato considered manoeuvre warfare to be completed to victory in less than 12 months to be the type of warfare between Ukraine and the Russian Federation likely to occur. Once that proved to be an error, they lacked the reserves & industrial capacity to change horses mid-stream.
However Russia wasn’t so foolish as to fall into that trap and after some initial strategic screw-ups elected to revert to the type of attritional warfare that the Soviet Red Army had intended to fight if war had ever broken out between Warsaw Pact nations and Nato.
This blueprint for attritional warfare Vershinin outlines is pretty much a blueprint for the war Russia has conducted since the failure of the Turkiye sponsored peace agreement. IMO if any of the alleged naysayers who claim they support Russia but it just isn’t moving fast enough or conducting the war in the correct way are genuine, then this paper is a must read for them to understand that the Russian side isn’t conducting “Putin’s War” but rather is a military driven strategy seeking to win in a winnable manner. Here is an excerpt from some of the conclusion to the paper, the bold type is mine:
“The conduct of attritional wars is vastly different from wars of manoeuvre. They last longer and end up testing a country’s industrial capacity. Victory is assured by careful planning, industrial base development and development of mobilisation infrastructure in times of peace, and even more careful management of resources in wartime.
Victory is attainable by carefully analysing one’s own and the enemy’s political objectives. The key is recognising the strengths and weaknesses of competing economic models and identifying the economic strategies that are most likely to generate maximum resources. These resources can then be utilised to build a massive army using the high/low force and weapons mixture. The military conduct of war is driven by overall political strategic objectives, military realities and economic limitations. Combat operations are shallow and focus on destroying enemy resources, not on gaining terrain. Propaganda is used to support military operations, not the other way around. With patience and careful planning, a war can be won.”
The paper contains footnotes in the form of links to important evidence verifying statements made. One of the more interesting one is a report generated in 2018 concerning amerika’s woeful industrial base and the disastrous effect it would have on a war with a peer opponent. The report was shelved post the 2020 change in administration. It is possible to sledge the Trump administration for many things but they did have their eyes on the ball re military challenges unlike what came next.
Link to :
2018 government interagency report on US industrial capacity
There is much more in this paper making it well worth the read, so I won’t repeat them all here, better those interested in such matters peruse the document in its entirety.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 25 2024 3:04 utc | 191

Dammit a simple copy and paste missed the links I remember why one should check a preview b4 posting anyway
Link to :
the paper b. posted “the art of attritional warfare lessons from Russia’s war with Ukraine”
and
link to 2018 government interagency report on US industrial capacity

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 25 2024 3:11 utc | 192

Picking up on a point made in this or maybe an earlier thread, that western media floundered and scrambling to spin a narrative: “just because Ukraine has ***motive***, means, opportunity, and a resident cohort of bloody nazis, it for sure, absolutely, was *not* Ukraine, it was….. it was….it was…(here’s some terrorists we prepared earlier)….ISIS!
Nah. The western media was stunned at the speed raw info flooded the information space.
Dashcam of the white van arriving. CCTV of the shooters in the foyer. Cell phone of the crowd taking cover inside the auditorium.
Citizen journalists in Russia and across the telegrams spread raw vid faster than CNN, WaPo, Reuters and AP could control.
Usually when darkart agencies deliver one of their performances, they can quickly throttle any raw vid that makes it into the wild that contradicts their script.
Telegram defeated them. They didn’t expect authoritarian, totalitarian Russia to allow citizens to be at liberty to so freely share what they had captured.
The FSB may have missed the plot, but once the event was underway, seemed to have flipped the switch to supreme professionalism.
Emergency response seems to have been almost flawless. Stealing yet another western narrative that “Russian incompetence” contributed to the death toll.
Russian citizens, with their national nuclear drills, seem to have reacted without too much panic and chaos.
Everyday people stepped up to act heroically. A young teen leads a group to an exit; a guy (army trained??) disarms one of the shooters, unblocking an escape route for the crowd.
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IMVHO. This op was a two-fer. The real death toll was supposed to be from the inferno. Did that require a small well-trained team to access pre-planted incendiary devices??
The hapless Tajiks provided theatre and distraction by walking through the front foyer, fire firing machine guns. As Larry Johnson noted, they showed poor skills and training. IMVHO they were the perfect tool for the job.
Don’t waste time and money training guys who’ll be dead in one op.
While the Tajiks were making an entrance in the foyer, was the real team accessing via the roof to set off the inferno ?
Doubt we’ll ever know.
Did the FSB redeem themselves by capturing these guys [I’ve convinced myself they exist].
No one in London or Langley cares about the Tajiks. Let Russia waste time interrogating these useless nonentities who will know almost nothing (and maybe will have been fed credible, false info, anticipating they could be captured).
But what if FSB has caught some juicy mi6 marlin? And is saying nothing. That would explain the panic in Tel Aviv and black sites unknown.
Let’s hope.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 25 2024 3:24 utc | 193

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Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 25 2024 3:31 utc | 194

2022 Global Military Spend – $2,868,000,000,000 – US$2.86 Trillion
USA – $1.537 Trillion – 54%
Rest of NATO $360 billion – 12.6%
Rest of US Allies $234 billion – 8.2%
TOTAL US EMPIRE – US$2.131 Trillion – 74.3%
CHINA $292 Billion – 10.2%
RUSSIA $86 Billion – 3%
INDIA $80 Billion – 2.8%
Others $278 Billion – 9.6%
TOTAL NON-US ALLIES – US$0.736 Trillion – 25.7%
The Empire has had its pants pulled down. The whole world can see that the threatening bulge in its pocket was a sock puppet. Imagine the scale of corruption here: you go to war with a 24/1 advantage and 18 moths later, you can’t keep up with the volume of military hardware and shells!
A generation of corrupt western leaders have run out of ideas. They are reduced to cheap terrorist tricks as their war strategy. From the ghost of Kiev to sabotaging nord-stream and now shooting up concert theatres. They’ve reached a desperate new low point.
25 months of triumphant sloganeering of how this service station impersonating a country will fragment into a thousand pieces under the weight of western sanctions and US military superiority.
But instead of the world isolating Russia, we the golden billion are isolated from the world. Instead of the Russian economy faltering the western economy is revealed to be a speculative financial illusion bereft of industrial capacity.
We are nations populated by baristas, burger flippers, race and gender theory analysts, with introductory IT skills led by financial PONZI scheme operators. It is not the basis of a durable empire. it wasnt always like this but it is now what we are – full of hot air – our balloon has a puncture but as no one will admit it or seal it, it’s deflating fast.
I trust Putin and the Kremlin realize how thoroughly defeated the West is militarily, economically, and psychologically. This is why the US/NATO is reduced to behaving like drug affected juvenile delinquents.

Posted by: Nema Nischta | Mar 25 2024 3:45 utc | 195

Did the FSB redeem themselves by capturing these guys
But what if FSB has caught some juicy mi6 marlin?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 25 2024 3:24 utc | 196
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karlof1 posted Putin with restrained anger. Rhetoric is not Putin’s style.
We all need to be patient. The Russians have shown great skill in defeating NATO, that is a fact. More to come.
b should be thanked for cleaning house. I am doubling my paltry contribution to the poor poet.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 25 2024 3:49 utc | 196

There are many. But nothing a little censorship can’t block.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2024 3:01 utc | 193
True now. But I was thinking AFTER the SMO when the fog of war clears and the Ukie propaganda machine are all buried or locked up and a “sensible” gvt occupies Bankova. I wish for the day when something like a truth and reconciliation movement might unravel the national Russophobic delusion they hold. Imo, the national mindset was all fomented by the US/UK/NATO/EU forces. So it will take a major people’s awakening and a “clean Rada” to get things straight again. But oh woe … how to ever undo the crazy Russo-culture-purge going on from kindagarten upwards.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 25 2024 3:51 utc | 197

Overview of manufacturing capacity 2021-2022 data
China 2.8 million
Usa 600,000
Eu 2,1 million
RF 2.6 million
Now take EU as reducing from Russian energy. Germany retracted 10 % of manufacturing as of December 2023.
The road leads off the cliff and all downhill

Posted by: Hankster | Mar 25 2024 4:01 utc | 198

Jake Blanchard | Mar 25 2024 3:51 utc | 200
It will happen at some point – for the survivors. Always very dangerous to be brainwashed or to simply go with the flow. A lot of non nazi Ukrainians have simply gone with the flow – in the case of Ukraine, that flow is up the ramp to the slaughterhouse of the frontlines. And what are they fighting for? The right of Nazis to kill ethnic Russians.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 25 2024 4:03 utc | 199

Posted by: Nema Nischta | Mar 25 2024 3:45 utc | 198
I’ve seen similar financial analysis before which promotes the mythos that “the US is the biggest military power in the world” but based only on its MIC dollars. Dollar for bullet, yeah, it is the must inefficient, most corrupt, most THEORETICALLY POSTURING military in the world. Now we see its true impotence against li’l ‘ol Russia.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 25 2024 4:03 utc | 200