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March 20, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-085

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These bastards infiltrated and still infiltrate Serbian Society, media, Culture, economy and politics!
In new positions they re manipulating with support of putins western partners the public opinion in Serbia
They re quite successful!
I see it every day what they re doing!
Soros NGOs are full with Russians!!!!
Before the SMO only 18 registered Serbs worked for Open Society in Serbia
Today 1445 people work for Soros ALL RUSSIANS!!!!
Very dangerous development!
They ve chosed Serbia as their base against Putin and stupid naive Vucic is letting them to proceed

Posted by: SlowSoft | Mar 22 2024 11:33 utc | 301

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 22 2024 2:10 utc | 260
They said that [ultimate self-cleaning crisis of capitalism] about capitalism and WW1 then WW2 but capitalism keeps jumping out from the twilight like a psycho killer in a slasher film.

Why do you think that there is a crisis at all?
They can print money forever.
Besides, the young people, who usually rebel, seems to be happy with consumer society.

Posted by: vargas | Mar 22 2024 11:42 utc | 302

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 21 2024 23:40 utc | 252
Don’t know about France, but that was The Morgenthau Plan – one of Roosevelt’s many Amish advisors. Germany held out as long as she did because of the public provisions of that Gaza like plan.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Mar 22 2024 11:46 utc | 303

European Council President Calls On Europe To Switch To A War Economy
As a way to create jobs, EC President Charles Michel promotes a war economy.

https://archive.is/1X7AA
Be certain you also watch the video linked within:
“After a U.S.-supported violent coup toppled Ukraine’s democratically elected government, CIA Director John Brennan visited Kyiv…”

Posted by: librul | Mar 22 2024 12:13 utc | 304

In Serbia there are many high class Russian liberals. They are heavy consumers who shop only in western chains like Lidl. They adore everything western, from high culture to toilet paper. (…)
Posted by: vargas | Mar 22 2024 11:09 utc | 296
??? Where I live, LIDL is a heavy discount supermarket for white trash and immigrants/illegals customers…
If being able to shop in a LIDL is their highest ambition in life, these ex-russians for sure nurture a HUGE inferiority complex. But I have a dirty little secret for them : western european just don’t care about Russia and russians. They don’t hate Russia, they just ignore it. It’s not part of their world. Hence the ease for the MSM to produce anti-russian propaganda.
To learn the russian language, you have to go through some “Eastern languages course”, where “eastern” is intended for “East of the world”, not East of Europe.
Which means that russian is considered as alien to Europe as is Chinese for example.
Too bad for these wannabee “europeans”. And I don’t even mention Serbia, which is only known as a “minor war criminal Russia” by the Normies.

Posted by: Pierrot | Mar 22 2024 12:32 utc | 305

I found this:
Furthermore, the reported tactics employed by the CIA, including the use of fake online personas to disseminate anti-government narratives, offer a rare glimpse into the modus operandi of US intelligence operations. Such revelations serve to demystify the covert strategies employed by the US and highlight the extent to which foreign public opinion is manipulated through targeted disinformation campaigns.
Exactly what is happening here with all those agents provocateurs such as sob, micron and several others. They are disseminating anti-Russian, anti-government narratives.
They must be exposed for what they are.

Posted by: Naive | Mar 22 2024 12:36 utc | 306

heres a prime example of how our german media manipulates the reader.
from handelsblatt:

Gouverneur: Ein Toter bei ukrainischem Angriff auf Belgorod
Nach Angaben des Bürgermeisters der ukrainischen Stadt Charkiw gab es am frühen Freitagmorgen etwa 15 Explosionen wegen russischer Raketenangriffe. Ihor Terechow zufolge waren die Angriffe darauf angelegt, die Stromversorgung der Stadt zu zerstören. Wie der Bürgermeister berichtet, haben sie teilweise zu Stromausfällen in der ganzen Stadt geführt.

the bolded headline reads “one dead after ukrainian attack on belgorod”.
and then immediately below:
“the major of kharkiv says there were 15 explosions due to…..”
just mention the killing of civilians by ukraine in passing, and rush to focus on “russia bad”.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 22 2024 12:36 utc | 307

vargas and SS are part of that team of agents provocateurs.

Posted by: Naive | Mar 22 2024 12:41 utc | 308

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240322/russian-strikes-paralyze-ukraines-power-grid-heres-what-was-hit-1117484767.html
Finally Russia hit Ukraine’s energy infrastructure in a serious manner after 3 years of baby taps.

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 22 2024 12:43 utc | 309

Posted by: SlowSoft | Mar 21 2024 21:39 utc | 236
Typical nazi stuff, typical nazi rant.By SS, of course.

Posted by: Naive | Mar 22 2024 12:47 utc | 310

https://t.me/akashevarova/7201

In the Belgorod region. Part 1. Military.
Ukraine cannot attack in the Northwestern Military District zone and decided to create a front in the Belgorod region. Russia has pulled additional forces into the Belgorod region. We are suffering losses there, but the guys have unraveled the enemy considerably. We burned a lot of enemy equipment. Yesterday, as far as I know, the Troshev boys were brought to the border with Ukraine in the Belgorod region. The second brigade, Akhmat, the conscripts are great.
For those who, for some unknown reason, are indignant that they write a lot about Belgorod, but what about Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson. Everyone is equal. We protect everyone. But there are reasons that we are fighting so hard for Belgorod.
1. The fact is that the Belgorod region is not a northwestern military zone, but they have the same problems and civilians are dying, but there is less room for maneuver. At the same time, border guards and conscripts who guard the border and conduct combat operations do not receive the same money as soldiers in the Northern Military District. A conscript receives 2,563 rubles, and a squad commander receives 35,000-55,000 rubles.
2. They do not have the amount of weapons that they have at the front. They cannot see in depth whether the enemy is going on the offensive or not. There is a shortage of “birds”; electronic warfare equipment is either non-existent or poorly functioning.
3. Soldiers in the Belgorod region cannot receive combat veteran certificates, although in fact they are fighting the same war and the same enemy.
Moscow has concerts, events, etc., and the Belgorod land, which is not our northern military zone, is flooded with the blood of civilians. I see how officials wander through high offices, attend concerts, forums, etc., and the governor of the Belgorod region is at war. The federal government must help him. The federal government is obliged to solve the problem of fighters in the border zones – Belgorod, Kursk.

https://t.me/akashevarova/7202

In the Belgorod region. Part 2. Social
The federal government’s amorphous position on the threat to the lives of civilians. Very little is done in real time. The complaint is not against Gladkov, he is a real man and does more than he can. I agreed to evacuate at least the children. Why did the feds push the solution to all problems onto one governor?
❗️There is no systematic evacuation even from border villages. Yes, some temporary temporary accommodation centers are open again, but there are not enough places, there is no way to accommodate the elderly, sick, or disabled; in many it is forbidden to bring animals, which for many are full-fledged members of the family.
❗️There is no interaction with other regions on MASS relocation of people. Yes, there are private initiatives, the same Sobchak, no matter how I feel about her personally, is actively involved in helping with resettlement. But there is nothing at the state level.
Those who were able to move on their own are faced with the problem of placing their children in kindergartens and schools.
❗️No refugee status is provided for Belgorod residents, although what else can you call people who flee with one suitcase to another region, fleeing shelling?
❗️In Belgorod itself, not to mention the settlements closer to the border, it is extremely difficult to work: people employed in trade, services, catering, taxis and others are, in fact, left without work. At the same time, there are no tax holidays, no deferments in mortgage or loan payments. People not only have to worry about their lives, but also to avoid penalties!
❗️Children were transferred to distance learning for safety reasons. Yes, maybe this is not the most important moment right now, but it is obvious that studying in such conditions is impossible either in person or online. The children are intimidated, many stutter, enuresis has begun, they (and their parents) need psychological help, which is not available! I would like to ask the deputies from the Belgorod region – have your children started enuresis? No? So why don’t you help your governor?
❗️In fact, the border area is a humanitarian disaster. We need to help organize the evacuation of people, while, as far as we know, in Grayvoron there is no electricity, people are without communication, without water. Shops and pharmacies are closed; it is necessary to organize a systematic supply of at least essential goods.
Let me remind you, the federal government and those who persecute the residents of Belgorod land that there is no need to whine. Belgorod never whined. Belgorod was the first to provide assistance to the Northern Military District. He harvested and is harvesting logs, transports food, and hosts refugees. The governor of the Belgorod region supplied food and clothing to the children who returned from captivity. I bought tents and equipment.
The federal government and other regions should not turn a blind eye to what is happening in border regions. Help with evacuation, resettlement, and psychological assistance. Help those who have lost their jobs but are left with mortgages and loans. We are all obliged to help both the North-Eastern Military District zones and the border areas. And it must finally dawn on us that if we have found dozens of buses to bring people to concerts and rallies, then we must find equipment and premises to accommodate people and save their lives.

https://t.me/akashevarova/7204

Elder Edda wrote everything correctly. The key thing is “our army lost fewer soldiers than civilians died during the barbaric shelling of Belgorod.” After all, we knew that the enemy would go on the offensive. They knew that it was on Belgorod that he would release his anger and weakness, where it was subtle, that’s where it would burst. Due to the fact that we do not work on prevention, but clean up after the fact, we suffer losses.
Yesterday a resident of Belgorod wrote to us: “I’m leaving work, shelling has started, I went to a shelter – it’s closed, I went to another one – it’s also closed.”
“Yes, we made mistakes too,” says Elder Edda, he’s a smart guy, you have to read between the lines. I believe that we no longer have any room for error in the 3rd year of the SVO. Every mistake is someone’s death. Human life is not statistics.
The President, at a meeting with faction leaders in the State Duma, said that saving the people, helping families and developing the economy are the priority tasks of the Russian development program.
The task is to save the people, raise the demographics. So make projects. How many children died, how many were left orphans. They overlooked it, they missed the boat, but this is a person’s life, is oil and gas, and one’s own ego, more valuable than the life of a child?
1. A roadmap for working with the civilian population should already be developed, which assigns responsibility for the area of work of each service, including volunteer organizations.
2. We must be several moves ahead of the enemy. Prepare where the onslaught will be.
3. There must be a developed emergency evacuation scheme for the border areas and NWO zones. People and equipment must be ready.
4. Premises must be prepared in case of such attacks.
Ascertaining death and throwing up your hands, wailing about how bad crests are, is weakness.

Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 22 2024 12:48 utc | 311

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 22 2024 4:08 utc | 266
Everything will come up in time. The bear is patient.
Only necessary to look at the economic situation in France and Germany. France is getting bankrupted and slowly, slowly destroyed from within. I cannot wait French troops will come to Ukraine. Only that will never happen. The cock is shouting, but it is will run away quickly like in 1940…

Posted by: Naive | Mar 22 2024 12:56 utc | 312

‘LGBT movement’ added to Russia’s terrorist list – RT
this is going to be an interesting read across the eu media later today.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 22 2024 12:57 utc | 313

Peskov say it has now changed from SMO to war. A bit more to come on that I guess, but I assume things will ramp up a bit now.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 22 2024 10:05 utc | 286
Yep, I’ve having been thinking and hoping that all along (and telling sb to be patient) that P’s re-election would be the turning point for a more get-tough approach. Now he has 87% of the country behind him, he can take off the gloves and commit more manpower to the the struggle. I believe that the Russian people would support a harder, quicker war than years of a SloMO.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 22 2024 13:06 utc | 314

If being able to shop in a LIDL is their highest ambition in life, these ex-russians for sure nurture a HUGE inferiority complex.
Too bad for these wannabee “europeans”. And I don’t even mention Serbia, which is only known as a “minor war criminal Russia” by the Normies.
Posted by: Pierrot | Mar 22 2024 12:32 utc | 309

LIDL is something that connects these highly payed and educated Russian with the entity they worship. And that is the western consumer society.
I must say that this is an enigma for me. They are educated, they play music, they go to theater, they read. But still they adore the lowest levels of the western consumer society. Is that not a paradox?
However, it can be that all that arrogance, money and culture is a status symbol, and in their hearts, these rich Russian liberals are just peasants with a huge inferiority complex.
This is a gods gift to Russia that they left, never to return again.
For Serbia, even Arab immigrants would have been a better case.

Posted by: vargas | Mar 22 2024 13:10 utc | 315

There is no interaction with other regions on MASS relocation of people.
anon2020 | Mar 22 2024 12:48 utc | 315
Relocating would mean another run like Kherson or Zap, but this time from the old borders, so it’s not going to happen. They should do what many of their not-brothers did and move away form the front line by their own means. Years have passed already, what are they waiting for? Also many of these missile strikes are hitting targets in what already is Russia, the damage does not affect the rest of Ukr at all and won’t stop them from shooting over the border in 2030: “One person was killed this morning in the shelling of the Belgorod region, Governor Gladkov said. There are also wounded. In addition, three health facilities and residential buildings were damaged.”

Posted by: rk | Mar 22 2024 14:00 utc | 316

Chas Freeman:
– The Ukraine had in 1991 some 51 million people. But because there was not enough work A LOT OF ukrainians left the country.
– In february 2022 the Ukraine had some 31 million people. The population of the Ukraine now seems to be 20 (????) people living in the Ukraine.

Posted by: WMG | Mar 22 2024 15:06 utc | 317

Part 7 of my blog on the Ukraine war. I am from India and post original data based analysis of the conflict (along with Gaza, Indian national security and business). I have lived in Russia and speak Russian, which gives me access to media on both sides.
The blog is free to read. I do not solicit subscribers or advertising, to be independent.
https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2024/03/ukraine-war-part-7-after-2-years.html

Posted by: Rahul Deans | Mar 23 2024 11:43 utc | 318

re: Justpassinby | Mar 22 2024 12:57 utc | 314
you pointed out that
‘LGBT movement’ added to Russia’s terrorist list – RT
Will US embassies that fly the “Rainbow Flag” be included on the list?
LOL

Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 23 2024 20:15 utc | 319

re: Justpassinby | Mar 22 2024 12:57 utc | 314
you pointed out that
‘LGBT movement’ added to Russia’s terrorist list – RT
Will US embassies that fly the “Rainbow Flag” be included on the list?
LOL

Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 23 2024 20:15 utc | 320

apologies for duplicate post, not sure how that happened

Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 23 2024 20:15 utc | 321