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March 20, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-085
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Down South | Mar 20 2024 13:45 utc | 1 German living standards plummeted after Russia invaded Ukraine, say economists
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2024 13:55 utc | 2 https://telegram.me/s/rusvesnasu Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 20 2024 13:58 utc | 3 “France’s forces are “ready,” Schill told Le Monde, stressing that “whatever the developments in the international situation, the French can be convinced: their soldiers will respond.” Schill said France has “international responsibilities” and is linked by defense agreements to “states exposed to major threats,” and must therefore have its forces trained and interoperable with allied armies. Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 13:58 utc | 4 Maybe macaroon is peeved because French nuclear energy is also feeling an impact – and it’s all Putin’s fault. Because everything is always PutinPutinRussiaRussia.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2024 14:09 utc | 5 Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2024 13:55 utc | 2
http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO12July2021.php
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/03/15/germany-emissions-targets-2030-on-course-for-first-time/amp/ Posted by: Down South | Mar 20 2024 14:50 utc | 6 Not to single anyone out. But, stop repeating their false memes. Posted by: natokraine | Mar 20 2024 14:57 utc | 7 Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2024 13:55 utc | 2
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/03/15/germany-emissions-targets-2030-on-course-for-first-time/amp/ Posted by: Down South | Mar 20 2024 14:58 utc | 8 jpc @ 4 Posted by: Jerr | Mar 20 2024 14:59 utc | 9 Ukraine keeps saying it will liberate all territory, including Crimea, and now France is ready to lead European troops to join the fight. What should we call this war? Posted by: Bob | Mar 20 2024 15:01 utc | 10 Bob @9
The Last One. Posted by: Tobin Paz | Mar 20 2024 15:04 utc | 11
Dividing the bear’s skin while the bear is still alive. It would be laughable if not so tragic. Posted by: Paco | Mar 20 2024 15:08 utc | 12 >> “If we win, you will be paid back in Russian oil, gas, diamonds and fur,” said VOLODYMYR OMELYAN, who used to serve as the country’s infrastructure minister. “ Posted by: Marvin | Mar 20 2024 15:34 utc | 14 “ German living standards plummeted after Russia invaded Ukraine, say economists ” Posted by: Innuendo | Mar 20 2024 15:42 utc | 15 @jpc | Mar 20 2024 13:58 utc | 4
The famous 1812 diagram: Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 20 2024 15:44 utc | 16 “ New Green Deal to slash emissions by 55%” Posted by: Innuendo | Mar 20 2024 15:45 utc | 17 Bob @9 Posted by: Angelo | Mar 20 2024 15:45 utc | 18 “ New Green Deal to slash emissions by 55%” Posted by: Robert Italia | Mar 20 2024 15:57 utc | 19 I propose we use term “Macron” to refer to the number of 2000 casualties as an official unit of measurement. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 20 2024 16:10 utc | 20 Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2024 13:55 utc | 2 Posted by: notlurking | Mar 20 2024 16:19 utc | 21 @ Bob Posted by: natokraine | Mar 20 2024 16:44 utc | 22 Posted by: Innuendo | Mar 20 2024 15:42 utc | 14 Posted by: wasntme | Mar 20 2024 16:46 utc | 23 “Finland is going to transfer military boats to the Ukrainian army, which are planned to be transported through Romania. Romanian authorities also approved the training of about 50 Ukrainian military personnel. It is not reported what type of boats” ( en.topwar.ru/238710-finljandija-sobiraetsja-cherez-rumyniju-peredat-ukraine-voennye-katera.html ) Posted by: rk | Mar 20 2024 16:53 utc | 24 Little error in the text Melaleuca cited: Posted by: malenkov | Mar 20 2024 16:53 utc | 25 Since we’re offering anecdotes… Posted by: natokraine | Mar 20 2024 17:10 utc | 26 Not to single anyone out. But, stop repeating their false memes. Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 17:11 utc | 27 20,000 French troops. At current burn rate they will be deceased in a fortnight. Posted by: Nick | Mar 20 2024 17:14 utc | 28 Posted by: Nick | Mar 20 2024 17:14 utc | 26 Posted by: Mario | Mar 20 2024 17:15 utc | 29 The terrorist Ukraine regime has lost 71,000 servicemen in the pointless fight since January 2024 which is three times as much compared to last year same period, said Sergei Shoigu at a ministerial meeting today. Posted by: AI | Mar 20 2024 17:23 utc | 30 @25 Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 20 2024 17:27 utc | 31 @Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 20 2024 17:27 utc | 29 Posted by: rk | Mar 20 2024 17:31 utc | 32 Confirmed: BMW is producing 1100 155 shells a day at the Spartanburg plant in the USA. Loyal Trump MAGA dove reports from inside plant, risking their pension to let us know!!!! Do not trust the appearance of disorder in the West. They are all in, and drawing Russia and PRC in from the Afghan “fake” withdrawal disaster. Withdraw now!!!! RF is playing into NWO hands!!!! Save Russia!!!! The SMO ws not designed to be a protracted war!!!!! Withdraw and reassess. I can not believe the last two years of ego driven strategically illiterate madness!!! Debate in NWO circles is whether to take Putin and Xi together. Laser drones. For God’s sake, stop beating the chest and fantasizing, and fight strategically. Withdraw now. Now. Now!!!! Declare victory, and warn it will be worse next time if RF concerns are to respected. Or, Lake Baikal and east will go to PRC, just before PRC dies. Oh God. The horror. The waste of humanity. Posted by: alholioito | Mar 20 2024 17:40 utc | 33 Fred777 @29: “Russia invaded Ukraine to stop a genocide.” Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 20 2024 17:42 utc | 34 Russia didn’t “invade” Ukraine for the simple reason that you cannot invade yourself — Ukraine is a core historic Russian territory. Official borders are irrelevant to long-term historical reality. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 20 2024 17:47 utc | 35 Apparently the rulers in the West are not satisfied with the slow decline of what Hitler left of the old Europe. They want to wrestle with the powers of the East, even though they have absolutely no chance against Russia, China, North Korea and Iran. Better a quick end than years of infirmity ? If France sends one division now, North Korea could send three to Ukraine – to practice modern warfare against South Korea. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 20 2024 17:47 utc | 36
That is correct. There are abundant technical means. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 20 2024 17:49 utc | 37 @ HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 17:11 utc | 25 Posted by: natokraine | Mar 20 2024 17:51 utc | 38 Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 17:11 utc | 25 Posted by: AI | Mar 20 2024 17:53 utc | 39 Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 17:11 utc | 25 Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 20 2024 17:56 utc | 40 I propose we use term “Macron” to refer to the number of 2000 casualties as an official unit of measurement. Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 20 2024 17:58 utc | 41 “Montrella”, you wouldn’t by any chance happen to be Ukrainian, would you? Posted by: malenkov | Mar 20 2024 18:01 utc | 42 Someone reading these anecdotes deserves a bonus. /s Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 18:03 utc | 43 What’s their income source? Posted by: averros | Mar 20 2024 18:25 utc | 44 I travel through Germany from south to north and back by car. The last two times I have been very surprised by the amount of trucks on the road and occupying the parking lots along the highways. It does not indicate the state of the German economy, of course, but it was surprising in any case. I have never seen so many trucks. All in good order, driving and parking with order. Posted by: g wiltek | Mar 20 2024 18:31 utc | 45 French soldiers aren’t too worried, apparently. How hard can waving a little white flag actually be? Posted by: Marvin | Mar 20 2024 18:32 utc | 46 What’s their income source? Posted by: malenkov | Mar 20 2024 18:40 utc | 47 Posted by: Mario | Mar 20 2024 17:15 utc | 27 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Mar 20 2024 18:42 utc | 48 Fact is that major companies are slowing down. Bosch being the latest to fire people. Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 18:49 utc | 49 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 20 2024 16:10 utc | 18 Posted by: Mike R | Mar 20 2024 18:51 utc | 50 He’s at it again *sigh*. Will no one rid me of this burbulent sb? Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2024 19:03 utc | 51 I tell a lie, it’s already in the air and has been for some time, heading back along the same route with again some blank bits in the route. Just approaching the Caspian coast so it’s been flying some hours. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2024 19:08 utc | 52 Lev Yashin (The Black Panther) died on this day 1990. Please raise a glass to the undisputed greatest keeper ever. Posted by: wink | Mar 20 2024 19:12 utc | 53 It was a particularly bloody day for Ukraine per the Russian MOD daily report from https://t.me/s/ZandVchannel 1725 killed or wounded…. and yet the madness continues. Posted by: ctiger | Mar 20 2024 19:15 utc | 54 Quote from Simplicius’ latest post:
Posted by: Mike R | Mar 20 2024 19:22 utc | 55 @ jpc | Mar 20 2024 18:03 utc | 42 Posted by: natokraine | Mar 20 2024 19:26 utc | 56 Posted by: Bob | Mar 20 2024 15:01 utc | 9 Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 20 2024 19:27 utc | 57 “The general said that France currently has the capacity to commit a division of around 20,000 men within 30 days” Posted by: Mary | Mar 20 2024 19:31 utc | 58 in many ways the Cold War was a far safer time Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 20 2024 19:33 utc | 59 I said this on X, but I’ll repeat it here: in many ways the Cold War was a far safer time because it had more serious, non-psychopathic people in charge who actually respected the dangers of nuclear holocaust. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 20 2024 19:34 utc | 60 Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 17:11 utc | 25 Posted by: Mary | Mar 20 2024 19:42 utc | 61 The French will go and do what they do best, die vaingloriously, and that’s it. C’est la vie, je suis un macaroni Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 20 2024 19:45 utc | 62 natokraine | Mar 20 2024 19:26 utc | 56 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2024 19:47 utc | 63 Someone summed it up very well the other day here — the only correct course of action towards “denazification” was to launch an extermination operation against the Ukrainian elites responsible for the nazification and to do everything possible to spare the regular people. Instead Putin did the exact opposite — genocide for the regular grunts, the elites are not touched. Posted by: vargas | Mar 20 2024 19:50 utc | 64 Hmm. The USAF aircraft that’s just done a Tblisi-Almaty run is one of these: Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2024 19:56 utc | 65 ctiger | Mar 20 2024 19:15 utc | 54 Posted by: Rhymerez | Mar 20 2024 20:01 utc | 66 At this point, I stop talking to people. I fear Peter Au (in one of his statements yesterday) and the “much feared and loathed” sb are probably right about where this will head before the Natzo leadership stops their offensives. Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 20:07 utc | 67 Posted by: Rhymerez | Mar 20 2024 20:01 utc | 66 Posted by: ctiger | Mar 20 2024 20:11 utc | 68 The problem is the West’s easy victory over the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union, ignoring the fact that the Soviet Union didn’t defend itself because it didn’t want to defend itself. Now they believe that the rest – Russia, China… they’ll get easy rid of too… History is full of examples where overestimation of oneself led to the collapse after supposedly easy victories – Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 20:13 utc | 69 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 20 2024 18:51 utc | 49 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Mar 20 2024 20:16 utc | 70 Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 20:07 utc | 67 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Mar 20 2024 20:22 utc | 71 Mary @61 Posted by: AJ | Mar 20 2024 20:26 utc | 72 Posted by: AJ | Mar 20 2024 20:26 utc | 72 Posted by: Boo | Mar 20 2024 20:36 utc | 73
Colonel Trukhan also pointed out an out-of-the-box view (for westerners, but maybe not for Russians). Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2024 20:38 utc | 74
when our german media went completely propagandamode regarding the turbine repair/maintenance issue for ns1, i tried my very best to inform people that russia is not the problem there. they kept to the contract to an i, while the canadian siemens company/subsidiary-whatever that was responsible for the repairs simply refused to stick to the contract, citing sanctions etc. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 20 2024 20:38 utc | 75 I honestly still don’t see any reason for panic. So what if the French send 20,000 troops with French uniforms/insignia? Ukraine is not NATO, so killing them in Ukraine will be completely justifiable and not actionable by NATO. And what good will 20,000 men do anyway with the ongoing collapse of the UAF? There were already probably close to 10,000 French there from the beginning. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 20 2024 20:40 utc | 76 HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 17:11 utc | 25 Posted by: Bilejones | Mar 20 2024 20:47 utc | 77 The USAF Special Forces plane that flew Tblisi-Almaty last night is now back at Tblisi. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2024 20:50 utc | 78 78 Posted by: SlowSoft | Mar 20 2024 20:54 utc | 79
Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 20 2024 20:56 utc | 80 malenkov | Mar 20 2024 16:53 utc | 23 Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2024 20:59 utc | 81 Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 20 2024 20:38 utc | 75 Posted by: kspr | Mar 20 2024 21:05 utc | 82 But we all know that the Russian SMO in Ukraine did not cause the “shock”, but the idiotic US and Western sanctions…blowback!!! Posted by: Clever Dog | Mar 20 2024 21:05 utc | 83 Don’t feed trolls with pencil names. Donbass and Crimea did not want the Maidan US coup, there is no invasion. Pencil name can move to Kosovo Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 21:11 utc | 84 @81 Melaleuca Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 20 2024 21:12 utc | 85 Boo @73 Posted by: AJ | Mar 20 2024 21:25 utc | 86
Russia only unrecognized them as independent from Ukraine in February 2022, right before they invaded. Posted by: Cheney | Mar 20 2024 21:26 utc | 87 AJ @86 Posted by: AJ | Mar 20 2024 21:28 utc | 88 “Russland ist nicht so stark, wie man denkt” – Kanzler Scholz verteidigt Ukraine-Kurs | ntv Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 20 2024 21:30 utc | 89 TASS reports Russian aircraft bombed a base ‘full of foreign mercenaries’ in Kharkov.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2024 21:39 utc | 90 About the use of “invasion” or “intervention” and political correctness from either perspective, the more important question are the goals of the SMO, on which both sides of the argument here seem to be in agreement; and because “invasion” is associated with aggression, when in fact the Russians are fighting against imperialist aggression, one should really side with the use of “intervention” (which, by the way, is what the US did with its coup, which was even worse than an invasion in many ways, …) Posted by: SlowDL | Mar 20 2024 21:42 utc | 91
I’m sure the RF will have absolutely no idea what is going on in neighbour and former soviet republic Kazakhstan (or Georgia, for that matter). Prolly never heard of flight radar 24 either. :-/ Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 20 2024 21:46 utc | 92 Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 20 2024 21:46 utc | 92 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2024 21:51 utc | 93 Reposting post from old UKr thread: Posted by: hh | Mar 20 2024 21:55 utc | 94 “The general said that France currently has the capacity to commit a division of around 20,000 men within 30 days” Posted by: kupkee | Mar 20 2024 21:58 utc | 95 IIR the DPR and LPR formally ceceeded from Ukraine and declared themselves independent states – ratified by their legislative bodies – then they formally appealed to Russia to accept them into the Russian Federation. The Russian duma accepted this appeal and Putin signed it. Then these regions requested protection as a formal part of the RF, and this Russia agreed to provide via the SMO. Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 20 2024 21:59 utc | 96 @Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 20 2024 13:58 utc | 3 Doma says that Russian army has a lot of difficulties to push Ukro forces out of Russia proper. Posted by: vargas | Mar 20 2024 22:15 utc | 99 unimperator | Mar 20 2024 21:51 utc | 93 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2024 22:18 utc | 100 |
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