Ukraine Open Thread 2024-085
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Posted by b on March 20, 2024 at 13:36 UTC | Permalink
next page »German living standards plummeted after Russia invaded Ukraine, say economists
^Energy price shocks had a huge knock-on effect, with real wages falling further in 2022 than any year since 1950, says report.
[ha ha lol ha, it’s the guardian wot printed this]:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/18/german-living-standards-plummeted-after-russia-invaded-ukraine-say-economists
In a joint paper designed to underline the depth of the economic crisis in Europe’s erstwhile powerhouse, two former economic advisers to the German government have said that real wages in the country slumped further in 2022 than in any year since 1950.
A failure to protect German industry from the energy price spike may turn the 2020s into “a lost decade for Germany” and further fuel the rise of the populist far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), the authors warned in a working paper published by the Forum for a New Economy.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2024 13:55 utc | 2
https://telegram.me/s/rusvesnasu
We're drifting towards 1,500 - 2000 losses per day
Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 20 2024 13:58 utc | 3
"France’s forces are “ready,” Schill told Le Monde, stressing that “whatever the developments in the international situation, the French can be convinced: their soldiers will respond.” Schill said France has “international responsibilities” and is linked by defense agreements to “states exposed to major threats,” and must therefore have its forces trained and interoperable with allied armies.
The general said that France currently has the capacity to commit a division of around 20,000 men within 30 days and has the means to command an army corps of up to 60,000 which includes allied divisions."
The French seem to have forgotten the first world War.
1812!
Anyone consulting the French people?
Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 13:58 utc | 4
Maybe macaroon is peeved because French nuclear energy is also feeling an impact - and it’s all Putin’s fault. Because everything is always PutinPutinRussiaRussia.
A Commentator on the guardian piece:
1. There is nothing more profitable than cheap Russian gas for German industry.
2.Having nuclear reactors and no domestic source of nuclear fuel does not solve anything since you'd still have to rely on Russia for fuel.
The Nigerian Uranium that the French bought for $0.1/kg has now skyrocketed in cost to $200/kg, because Russia removed the French influence from the country and instated their own. Where are you going to get cheap Uranium ?3. Chemical industry (e.g. fertilizer production) requires natural gas, you can't run it on nuclear power.
People touting the nuclear option as a get out of jail card have no idea what's happening.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2024 14:09 utc | 5
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2024 13:55 utc | 2
The de-industrialisation of Europe was planned before the Russia -Ukraine War but the war makes a nice scapegoat. Europeans -(Germany) would never have consented to the below plans voluntarily.
The European Union is in the process of imposing, top-down, the most draconian measures to date, that will effectively destroy modern industry across the face of the 27 states of the European Union.Under cute names such as “Fit for 55” and European Green Deal, measures are being finalized in Brussels by unelected technocrats that will cause the worst industrial unemployment and economic collapse since the crisis of the 1930s.
http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO12July2021.php
Success!
Germany ‘on course, for the first time’ to slash emissions 65% by 2030, vice chancellor says
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/03/15/germany-emissions-targets-2030-on-course-for-first-time/amp/
Posted by: Down South | Mar 20 2024 14:50 utc | 6
Not to single anyone out. But, stop repeating their false memes.
Not “invasion”. “Intervention”.
Even when copying/pasting, edit out their lies. Don’t repeat; don’t amplify.
Posted by: natokraine | Mar 20 2024 14:57 utc | 7
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2024 13:55 utc | 2
Look up “Fit for 55”. The de-industrialisation of Europe is not an accident. The EU/New Green Deal to slash emissions by 55% by 2030. The plans precede the Russia-Ukraine War.
Germany ‘on course, for the first time’ to slash emissions 65% by 2030, vice chancellor says
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/03/15/germany-emissions-targets-2030-on-course-for-first-time/amp/
Posted by: Down South | Mar 20 2024 14:58 utc | 8
jpc @ 4
----The general said that France currently has the capacity to commit a division of around 20,000 men within 30 days and has the means to command an army corps of up to 60,000 which includes allied divisions.----
Personally I think the UK and German militaries under the command of the French is an intriguing idea. It brings a smile to my face.
Posted by: Jerr | Mar 20 2024 14:59 utc | 9
Ukraine keeps saying it will liberate all territory, including Crimea, and now France is ready to lead European troops to join the fight. What should we call this war?
Posted by: Bob | Mar 20 2024 15:01 utc | 10
Bob @9
What should we call this war?The Last One.
Posted by: Tobin Paz | Mar 20 2024 15:04 utc | 11
“If we win, you will be paid back in Russian oil, gas, diamonds and fur,” said VOLODYMYR OMELYAN, who used to serve as the country’s infrastructure minister. “
Dividing the bear’s skin while the bear is still alive. It would be laughable if not so tragic.
Posted by: Paco | Mar 20 2024 15:08 utc | 12
>> “If we win, you will be paid back in Russian oil, gas, diamonds and fur,” said VOLODYMYR OMELYAN, who used to serve as the country’s infrastructure minister. “
Dividing the bear’s skin while the bear is still alive. It would be laughable if not so tragic.
Posted by: Paco | Mar 20 2024 15:08 utc | 11
Dividing the bear's skin while being eaten by the bear. And let's not forget that not even a coked-up Selensky even dreams of conquering Russia. In his wildest dreams, he 'liberates' the eastern districts of his country plus crimes. All of which will be a pile of rubble if fighting continues for any amount of time... No oil, no gas, no diamonds - any of these found in Ukraine have been imported from Russia....
Posted by: Marvin | Mar 20 2024 15:34 utc | 14
“ German living standards plummeted after Russia invaded Ukraine, say economists ”
Talked to multiple persons currently living in Germany and surprised to find out it their economy is doing quite well… did not want to go into arguments about the ‘Putin regime’ or anything because most are brainwashed and can’t win an argument with brainwashed people. But shocked to find out - oh it’s fine and is actually amazing how well everything recovered considering Covid-19 . So it’s a clown world. Probably unless a real recession hits them hard they will not accept economy being slow.
Posted by: Innuendo | Mar 20 2024 15:42 utc | 15
@jpc | Mar 20 2024 13:58 utc | 4
The French seem to have forgotten the first world War.
1812!
Anyone consulting the French people?
The famous 1812 diagram:
Map representing the losses over time of French army during war of 1812
Btw. notice the temperatures at bottom. This was during the Dalton Grand Solar Minimum.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 20 2024 15:44 utc | 16
“ New Green Deal to slash emissions by 55%”
New green deal BS- they still produce diesel engines - and they promised for the last 20 years that they will stop… and EUstan still producing diesel and people buying diesel.
Posted by: Innuendo | Mar 20 2024 15:45 utc | 17
Bob @9
What should we call this war?
The Last One.
Posted by: Tobin Paz | Mar 20 2024 15:04 utc | 10
French Toast or French Fries or French Flees
Posted by: Angelo | Mar 20 2024 15:45 utc | 18
“ New Green Deal to slash emissions by 55%”
New green deal BS- they still produce diesel engines - and they promised for the last 20 years that they will stop… and EUstan still producing diesel and people buying diesel.
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Where does the electricity come from?
Posted by: Robert Italia | Mar 20 2024 15:57 utc | 19
I propose we use term “Macron” to refer to the number of 2000 casualties as an official unit of measurement.
As in, “today Ukraine lost 1 Macron of troops in fighting.”
Given that is about how many combat ready, competent troops France can muster, it may help put things in perspective.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 20 2024 16:10 utc | 20
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2024 13:55 utc | 2
But we all know that the Russian SMO in Ukraine did not cause the "shock", but the idiotic US and Western sanctions...blowback!!!
Posted by: notlurking | Mar 20 2024 16:19 utc | 21
@ Bob
>> What should we call this war?
I vote for “the Battle of Ukraine”.
Given what we know about 911 and Wesley Clark’s “7 countries in 5 years” revelation, it obvious Natzo started an offensive war no later than 2001, But, good arguments can be made for earlier dates. After all, Wesley described meeting with Wolfowitz in the early 90’s, during which the latter described a window of opportunity for Natzo to start offensive war to re-conquer Eastern Europe. The first Natzo attack on Iraq might even qualify.
Posted by: natokraine | Mar 20 2024 16:44 utc | 22
Posted by: Innuendo | Mar 20 2024 15:42 utc | 14
Is it wise to consult brainwashed individuals in this case?
In my view, small and midsize companys, which are the true backbone of our german economy, are failing left and right, not just in energy intensive sectors. A trend that set in ober a decade ago, strongly intensified by the lockdown state of 2020.
Grüße
wasntme
Posted by: wasntme | Mar 20 2024 16:46 utc | 23
"Finland is going to transfer military boats to the Ukrainian army, which are planned to be transported through Romania. Romanian authorities also approved the training of about 50 Ukrainian military personnel. It is not reported what type of boats" ( en.topwar.ru/238710-finljandija-sobiraetsja-cherez-rumyniju-peredat-ukraine-voennye-katera.html )
NATO reconnaissance aircraft shows abnormal activity in the Black Sea. Five NATO special aircraft are monitoring the Black Sea today ( topcor.ru/45577-razvedyvatelnaja-aviacija-nato-projavljaet-anomalnuju-aktivnost-v-rajone-chernogo-morja.html )
German schoolchildren should be prepared for war to “strengthen our resilience” ( www.yahoo.com/news/german-children-prepared-war-192511872.html )
Posted by: rk | Mar 20 2024 16:53 utc | 24
Little error in the text Melaleuca cited:
“The Nigerian Uranium that the French bought for $0.1/kg has now skyrocketed in cost to $200/kg, because Russia removed the French influence from the country and instated their own.”
— should be Nigerien (pertaining to Niger, former French colony) and not Nigerian (pertaining to Nigeria, former British colony).
Call me a spelling Nazi if you wish, but sometimes details like these are important.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 20 2024 16:53 utc | 25
Since we’re offering anecdotes…
Briefly discussed the Ukraine issue before and after the 2022 intervention. Initially was greatly surprised to meet an EU resident who could volunteer substance about Minsk agreement, missile base threats, and so much more. Two years later, he’s all “Putin has delusions of grandeur”, “[the German economic downturn] is just a technical recession [not because of Natzo sabotaging Germany]”, seemingly not bothered by NS2 sabotage, and “I trust the reporting from my journalist friends” though he got touchy when I asked whether they traveled on-site or visited Donbas or which network they worked for. And more surprising statements that I can’t recall. His earlier command of the situation seemed erased by or buried under a new layer of sediment.
What struck me is that it is a complete 180, not by someone who barely knew anything but by someone who did.
Someone reading these anecdotes deserves a bonus. /s
Posted by: natokraine | Mar 20 2024 17:10 utc | 26
Not to single anyone out. But, stop repeating their false memes.
Not “invasion”. “Intervention”.
Even when copying/pasting, edit out their lies. Don’t repeat; don’t amplify.
Posted by: natokraine | Mar 20 2024 14:57 utc | 6
The Russians invaded Ukraine ... that is the correct word for it and that's the word I'm going to use. If it makes you cringe that's on you. The word doesn't lay blame it just states a fact. I said nothing when I lost the use of gay for happy but I draw the line here. When I cross a border and attack a country I don't intervene ... I invade and so do the Russians. Intervening is gay.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 17:11 utc | 27
20,000 French troops. At current burn rate they will be deceased in a fortnight.
Posted by: Nick | Mar 20 2024 17:14 utc | 28
Posted by: Nick | Mar 20 2024 17:14 utc | 26
20000 is what they think they can send in 2027, not now.
Posted by: Mario | Mar 20 2024 17:15 utc | 29
The terrorist Ukraine regime has lost 71,000 servicemen in the pointless fight since January 2024 which is three times as much compared to last year same period, said Sergei Shoigu at a ministerial meeting today.
Posted by: AI | Mar 20 2024 17:23 utc | 30
@25
Fair enough HB. Russia invaded Ukraine to stop a genocide.
Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 20 2024 17:27 utc | 31
@Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 20 2024 17:27 utc | 29
Don't feed trolls with pencil names. Donbass and Crimea did not want the Maidan US coup, there is no invasion. Pencil name can move to Kosovo
Posted by: rk | Mar 20 2024 17:31 utc | 32
Confirmed: BMW is producing 1100 155 shells a day at the Spartanburg plant in the USA. Loyal Trump MAGA dove reports from inside plant, risking their pension to let us know!!!! Do not trust the appearance of disorder in the West. They are all in, and drawing Russia and PRC in from the Afghan "fake" withdrawal disaster. Withdraw now!!!! RF is playing into NWO hands!!!! Save Russia!!!! The SMO ws not designed to be a protracted war!!!!! Withdraw and reassess. I can not believe the last two years of ego driven strategically illiterate madness!!! Debate in NWO circles is whether to take Putin and Xi together. Laser drones. For God's sake, stop beating the chest and fantasizing, and fight strategically. Withdraw now. Now. Now!!!! Declare victory, and warn it will be worse next time if RF concerns are to respected. Or, Lake Baikal and east will go to PRC, just before PRC dies. Oh God. The horror. The waste of humanity.
Posted by: alholioito | Mar 20 2024 17:40 utc | 33
Fred777 @29: "Russia invaded Ukraine to stop a genocide."
Nuh uh! Genocide is when you provide people with free skilled trades training, teach them how to brush their teeth, and help them get a job! I know that because that is what the Chinese did to the wiggers, and people who consider themselves smart said that is genocide!
The Ukrainians are just killing everyone they don't like. That's not genocide because it's the same thing the Israelis are doing, and people who consider themselves smart are saying that's not genocide.
See? You're wrong because smart people with a college degree in presstitution journalism can't be wrong.
Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 20 2024 17:42 utc | 34
Russia didn't "invade" Ukraine for the simple reason that you cannot invade yourself -- Ukraine is a core historic Russian territory. Official borders are irrelevant to long-term historical reality.
It is much more accurate to say that NATO invaded Russia by moving into Ukraine.
Operation Barbarossa V.2 has been going on in slow motion since 2005 the latest...
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 20 2024 17:47 utc | 35
Apparently the rulers in the West are not satisfied with the slow decline of what Hitler left of the old Europe. They want to wrestle with the powers of the East, even though they have absolutely no chance against Russia, China, North Korea and Iran. Better a quick end than years of infirmity ? If France sends one division now, North Korea could send three to Ukraine - to practice modern warfare against South Korea.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 20 2024 17:47 utc | 36
Anyway, fwiw, imo if Russia isn't retaliating it's because they consciously choose not to retaliate, not because they cannot. They've been regularly not relatilating in Ukraine for 2 years now.Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Mar 20 2024 14:05 utc | 353
That is correct. There are abundant technical means.
I am actually really pissed at Putin today. Much more than usual.
He directly commented on what is going on in Belgorod and he said "we could do the same but we won't".
No, we are not asking you to do the same. We are asking you to enforce deterrence. "Doing the same" will not achieve that because nobody gives a damn about a few more dead ordinary Ukrainian. You must hit the "decision making centers". The ones that you promised to hit, but you have not touched after countless atrocities, and have not even mentioned for more than a year.
This is not going to stop without the **elites** responsible for it feeling genuinely threatened, and in a way that makes it clear there will be lethal response against them directly that they cannot prevent if they try to stat any more s**t.
Someone summed it up very well the other day here -- the only correct course of action towards "denazification" was to launch an extermination operation against the Ukrainian elites responsible for the nazification and to do everything possible to spare the regular people. Instead Putin did the exact opposite -- genocide for the regular grunts, the elites are not touched.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 20 2024 17:49 utc | 37
@ HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 17:11 utc | 25
With Nuland’s 2014 invasion of Kyiv, those republics became independent. Later, they asked Russia to come to their defense.
It’s worth distinguishing an intervention as a contrast from, for instance, USA invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc.
Posted by: natokraine | Mar 20 2024 17:51 utc | 38
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 17:11 utc | 25
It is not an invasion. It's a special military operation to clean up the american project in ukraine.
Posted by: AI | Mar 20 2024 17:53 utc | 39
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 17:11 utc | 25
i dont remember nato calling their invasion into yugoslavia an invasion, did they?
to this day they have boots on the ground and occupy territory.
but i guess its only an invasion if others are doing it.
western hypocrisy is astonishing.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 20 2024 17:56 utc | 40
I propose we use term “Macron” to refer to the number of 2000 casualties as an official unit of measurement.
As in, “today Ukraine lost 1 Macron of troops in fighting.”
Given that is about how many combat ready, competent troops France can muster, it may help put things in perspective.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 20 2024 16:10 utc | 18
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Given the mention of other mainstay NATO militaries, I'll state that there're shrinking by multiple "Macron's" per year.
Due to current solders & potential recruits, not being willing to die for the neo-s**t-lib regimes in charge of those countries. That number also excludes losses of specialists and auxiliary contractors who died in Ukraine already.
So those 20'000 "combat ready" French troops march on paper. France would be years away from theoretically mustering a real army using conscription (due to lack of willing volunteers), and even that assumes anyone is stupid enough to show up when summoned.
After all, the UK MSM floated that idea publicly and was met with heartfelt incredulity & derision.
So disappointinly for the doomers, I doubt we'll have an "end war" in the near future.
Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 20 2024 17:58 utc | 41
“Montrella”, you wouldn’t by any chance happen to be Ukrainian, would you?
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 20 2024 18:01 utc | 42
Someone reading these anecdotes deserves a bonus. /s
Posted by: natokraine | Mar 20 2024 17:10 utc | 24
Amazing how people can deny their country is collapsing economically and be so blasé. What's their income source?
Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 18:03 utc | 43
What's their income source?
Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 18:03 utc | 42
I would bet they are members of the bullshitting class. Or, as Russians call it: office plankton.
Posted by: averros | Mar 20 2024 18:25 utc | 44
I travel through Germany from south to north and back by car. The last two times I have been very surprised by the amount of trucks on the road and occupying the parking lots along the highways. It does not indicate the state of the German economy, of course, but it was surprising in any case. I have never seen so many trucks. All in good order, driving and parking with order.
It does not look like an economy limping, but it could be confusing. One would have to investigate if there is a shift from rail to road, which could well be the case.
Fact is that major companies are slowing down. Bosch being the latest to fire people.
So many Germans might not be able to tell, unless they themselves are on the firing list, or know of people that are.
Posted by: g wiltek | Mar 20 2024 18:31 utc | 45
French soldiers aren’t too worried, apparently. How hard can waving a little white flag actually be?
Posted by: Marvin | Mar 20 2024 18:32 utc | 46
What's their income source?
Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 18:03 utc | 42
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In the one case I know personally: a highly paid professorship riding atop a pile of old haute bourgeoise money.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 20 2024 18:40 utc | 47
Posted by: Mario | Mar 20 2024 17:15 utc | 27
‘20000 is what they think they can send in 2027, not now.’
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Ukraine will have already been reclaimed and part of Russia proper by 2027. So are the French still going to send the 20,000 unfortunate troops to Russia then? Macron is such a globozio-owned ponce-bitch.
Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Mar 20 2024 18:42 utc | 48
Fact is that major companies are slowing down. Bosch being the latest to fire people.
So many Germans might not be able to tell, unless they themselves are on the firing list, or know of people that are.
Posted by: g wiltek | Mar 20 2024 18:31 utc | 44
Some year's ago.
I read a comment (post 2015)that Germans
Smug virtue signalling would abruptly cease when their job's started disappeared en masse.
That time is now.
Gerhard Schroder not one of the most popular figures in Germany today.
Ensured that companies held onto their staff during the last economic downturn.
Mind when you can obtain cheap reliable energy from a reliable partner that's possible.
Alas Germanys new suppliers aren't quite as cheap and possibly reliable.
So those options seem gone.
May you live in interesting times indeed @
Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 18:49 utc | 49
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 20 2024 16:10 utc | 18
Or one could say 'It took France x Friedman units to lose y Macrons.'
Posted by: Mike R | Mar 20 2024 18:51 utc | 50
He's at it again *sigh*. Will no one rid me of this burbulent sb?
The USAF C130 (with a special forces history) which flew from Tblisi (Georgia) to Almaty (Kazakhstan) last night is due to take off at around 7.32 UTC tonight.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/08-6201#346a8e2c
I'll try and see where it goes but I may have to rely on them leaving the transponders on. Incidentally they were turned off for a part of the 6 hour flight, so there's always a chance it stopped elsewhere en route to Almaty.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2024 19:03 utc | 51
I tell a lie, it's already in the air and has been for some time, heading back along the same route with again some blank bits in the route. Just approaching the Caspian coast so it's been flying some hours.
https://www.flightradar24.com/MISFT61/34709ba1
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2024 19:08 utc | 52
Lev Yashin (The Black Panther) died on this day 1990. Please raise a glass to the undisputed greatest keeper ever.
R.I.P.
Posted by: wink | Mar 20 2024 19:12 utc | 53
It was a particularly bloody day for Ukraine per the Russian MOD daily report from https://t.me/s/ZandVchannel 1725 killed or wounded.... and yet the madness continues.
Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation
(20 March 2024)
Part I
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.
▫️In Kupyansk direction, units of the Zapad Group of Forces improved the situation along the front line and defeated the enemy near Sinkovka, Kislovka, Yagodnoye, and Timkovka (Kharkov region). Two counter-attacks launched by assault groups of the 18th Ukrainian National Guard Brigade were repelled near Terny (Donetsk People's Republic).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 85 Ukrainian servicemen, three motor vehicles, and one U.S.-made M777 artillery system.
▫️In Belgorod direction, Russian units fully mopped up Kozinka of the rest of Ukrainian militants and continued to carry out activities to prevent sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from entering the border area.
As a result of air strikes and artillery fire, the enemy lost up to 650 militants, two armoured fighting vehicles, and two Czech-made Vampire MLRS combat vehicles.
▫️In Donetsk direction, units of the Yug Group of Forces took more advantageous lines and positions as well as defeated units of the 79th Air Assault and 46th Airmobile Brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Krasnoye, Andreyevka, Kleshcheyevka, Novomikhailovka, and Georgiyevka (Donetsk People's Republic). One counter-attack launched by units of the AFU 81st Airmobile Brigade was repelled near Belogorovka (Lugansk People's Republic).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 420 Ukrainian troops, one tank, two armoured fighting vehicles, and eight motor vehicles.
In course of counter-battery warfare, one D-20 howitzer, one U.S.-made M119 and one UK-made L119 howitzers, one Grad MLRS, one S-300 SAM director illuminator
system, one U.S.-made AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery warfare radar station, two Anklav-N electronic warfare stations, one Strela-10 anti-aircraft missile system, as well as four field ammunition depots.
▫️In Avdeyevka direction, the Tsentr Group of Forces' units inflicted fire damage on the enemy and improved the situation along the front line.
Seven counter-attacks of the AFU 47th, 53rd mechanised, 59th motorised rifle, and 3rd assault brigades were repelled close to Novogorodskoye, Pervomayskoye, Tonenkoye, Vodyanoye, and Berdychi (Donetsk People's Republic).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 395 Ukrainian servicemen, four armoured fighting vehicles, 16 motor vehicles, one Akatsiya self-propelled artillery system, and one MT-12 Rapira anti-tank gun.
▫️In South Donetsk direction, the Vostok Group of Forces' units improved their tactical position and inflicted fire damage on the AFU units near Vodyanoye, Pavlovka, Urozhaynoye, and Staromayorskoye (Donetsk People's Republic).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 110 Ukrainian troops, two armoured fighting vehicles, three pickup trucks, two Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery systems, as well as one Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system.
▫️ In Kherson direction, the units of the Dnepr Group of Forces inflicted fire damage on manpower and hardware of the AFU 28th Mechanised, 128th Mountain Assault brigades, and 126th Territorial Defence Brigade near Kopani, Mirnoye (Zaporozhye region) and Ivanovka (Kherson region).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 65 Ukrainian servicemen, seven motor vehicles, one U.S.-made Paladin self-propelled artillery system, and one D-20 howitzer.
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⚡️🇷🇺 Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation
(20 March 2024)
Part II
▫️Operational-Tactical Aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, and Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Groups of Forces have been eliminated: a fuel depot for military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Grad MLRS combat and transport-loading vehicles, as well as AFU manpower and military hardware in 121 areas have been eliminated.
Air defence systems have shot down 145 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles, 22 projectiles the U.S.-manufactured HIMARS and Czech-made Vampire MLRS systems, the Tochka-U tactical missile, one missile of the S-200 converted to surface-to-ground system, as well as one U.S.-made Patriot anti-aircraft missile.
📊 In total, 577 airplanes and 270 helicopters, 16,280 unmanned aerial vehicles, 487 air defence missile systems, 15,545 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,248 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 8,467 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 19,998 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.
Posted by: ctiger | Mar 20 2024 19:15 utc | 54
Quote from Simplicius' latest post:
I said this on X, but I’ll repeat it here: in many ways the Cold War was a far safer time because it had more serious, non-psychopathic people in charge who actually respected the dangers of nuclear holocaust. Today’s leaders are all totally immorally degraded puppets, likely placed in charge only on the basis of kompromat, and no longer have the necessary professional qualities or discretion of their forebears for the seriousness of the situation. Society, more stupefied by bread and circuses than ever, of course, is blind to their leaders’ total ignorance and dangerous provocations.
Posted by: Mike R | Mar 20 2024 19:22 utc | 55
@ jpc | Mar 20 2024 18:03 utc | 42
Serial smallish entrepreneur and now small business owner with wealthy but estranged father. Don’t know if he’s got money to fall back on.
I really like the guy. Also feel sorry for him because he’s a bit of a hard luck case, despite the small successes.
His business has been struggling since the war. He doesn’t think it’s related to price surges from disrupted supply chains (especially energy). This reminds me: he said they don’t need Russian gas because of the greening economy (EV’s, windmills) and USA LNG.
I know the guy isn’t karlof or any one of you regulars. But, imagine a guy who could’ve frequented the bar and contributed intelligently but then started talking like he watched CNN nonstop. ..l should’ve checked around for a used cocoon like in the Body Snatchers movies.
At this point, I stop talking to people. I fear Peter Au (in one of his statements yesterday) and the “much feared and loathed” sb are probably right about where this will head before the Natzo leadership stops their offensives.
Posted by: natokraine | Mar 20 2024 19:26 utc | 56
Posted by: Bob | Mar 20 2024 15:01 utc | 9
David Bowie – Rock 'N' Roll Suicide (Live, 1973)
Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 20 2024 19:27 utc | 57
"The general said that France currently has the capacity to commit a division of around 20,000 men within 30 days"
Hmmm ... If Moscow makes them a priority, at 1,000/day, they'll be gone in 3 weeks.
Posted by: Mary | Mar 20 2024 19:31 utc | 58
in many ways the Cold War was a far safer time
@ Mike R | Mar 20 2024 19:22 utc | 55
Simplicius rubs me the wrong way sometimes, but this latest post of his was just dynamite, and that particular excerpt has stuck with me.
I mentioned Simplicius' way of putting it -- the nuclear thin ice on which we're all skating -- to my dear one in the car while the radio news (KCBS) continued with its inexplicable fretting over Princess Kate's abdomen (something to do with bread, circus, and royal deformities, I gather).
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 20 2024 19:33 utc | 59
I said this on X, but I’ll repeat it here: in many ways the Cold War was a far safer time because it had more serious, non-psychopathic people in charge who actually respected the dangers of nuclear holocaust.
Posted by: Mike R | Mar 20 2024 19:22 utc | 55
The problem is the West's easy victory over the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union, ignoring the fact that the Soviet Union didn't defend itself because it didn't want to defend itself. Now they believe that the rest - Russia, China... they'll get easy rid of too... History is full of examples where overestimation of oneself led to the collapse after supposedly easy victories –
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 20 2024 19:34 utc | 60
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 17:11 utc | 25
Wrong. Donbass declared independence, as is their right under International law (See former Yugoslavia for precedent).
Russia joined the defense of the Donbass by their invitation.
All was done by international law.
It is intervention, not invasion.
Posted by: Mary | Mar 20 2024 19:42 utc | 61
The French will go and do what they do best, die vaingloriously, and that's it. C'est la vie, je suis un macaroni
The mangy dogs will bark and the bear caravan will carry on.
Or they will throw their toys out of the pram and doom all of us to nuclear fire, a war these same clowns think they can survive. Fuck me, these people can't do arithmetic but believe they are masters of quantum dynamics.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 20 2024 19:45 utc | 62
natokraine | Mar 20 2024 19:26 utc | 56
Remember that by now the rouble was going to be rubble and Russia was going to be #20 economy in the world - that was Dementia Joe's prediction when he announced sanctions. Getting the economy in shape to withstand sanctions was a great achievement.
We all know Mordor has many powers and emissaries, but "say not the struggle naught availeth". I can't see China letting Russia down, even while idiots like the guy who runs Armenia dump Russia for the US, which will end as well for them as it has for Ukraine.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2024 19:47 utc | 63
Someone summed it up very well the other day here -- the only correct course of action towards "denazification" was to launch an extermination operation against the Ukrainian elites responsible for the nazification and to do everything possible to spare the regular people. Instead Putin did the exact opposite -- genocide for the regular grunts, the elites are not touched.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 20 2024 17:49 utc | 36
shadowbanef, Putin cannot reach Ukrainian elites, not to mention the western ones. There is only one way tobthreaten them. We know which way it is.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 20 2024 19:50 utc | 64
Hmm. The USAF aircraft that's just done a Tblisi-Almaty run is one of these:
Based on the Lockheed C-130 Hercules transport, the MC-130s' missions are the infiltration, exfiltration, and resupply of special operations forces, and the air refueling of (primarily) special operations helicopter and tilt-rotor aircraft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_MC-130#MC-130J_Commando_II
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2024 19:56 utc | 65
ctiger | Mar 20 2024 19:15 utc | 54
The March 19th report was way below the recent average, at 570. The 19th and 20th averaged is 1148, which is still a little towards the high side of the reports. I don't think anyone posted that one yet here so I'll post the 19th also. Was actually checking to see if someone posted today's or not, and was going to post it if so. The MOD reports being posted were one thing that kept me checking MOA. I have found a web proxy that lets me see the MOD site now from the US and have noticed they have not been posted very often at all anymore here.
Copied via web proxy from the Russian MOD website/news
19.03.2024 (13:38)
Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (19 March 2024)
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.
In Kupyansk direction, the Zapad Group of Forces inflicted fire damage on the AFU units and improved the situation along the front line.
The AFU losses amounted to up to 30 Ukrainian troops, one infantry fighting vehicle, four motor vehicles, two U.S.-made M777 artillery systems, and one Czech-made RM-70 Vampire multiple rocket launcher.
In Belgorod direction, Russian units continue to carry out measures to prevent sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from entering the border area.
As a result of air strikes and artillery fire against clusters of AFU manpower and hardware in border areas of Ukraine near Kozinka (Belgorod region), the enemy has lost up to 40 troops, two infantry fighting vehicles, and three motor vehicles.
In Donetsk direction, units of the Yug Group of Forces took more advantageous lines and positions, and defeated formations of the 79th Air Assault Brigade, 46th Airmobile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the 118th Territorial Defence Brigade near Novomikhailovka, Razdolovka, and Georgiyevka (Donetsk People's Republic).
Over 215 Ukrainian troops, three tanks, two infantry fighting vehicles, and four motor vehicles were neutralised.
In the course of counter-battery warfare, one Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery system, two Gvozdika self-propelled artillery systems, one D-30 howitzer, and one S-60 anti-aircraft artillery system were eliminated.
In Avdeyevka direction, the Tsentr Group of Forces liberated Orlovka (Donetsk People's Republic) and improved the situation along the front line.
Six counter-attacks of AFU 47th, 53rd, 59th mechanised brigades were repelled near Pervomayskoye, Tonenkoye, and Berdychi (Donetsk People's Republic).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 125 Ukrainian troops, two armoured fighting vehicles, and five motor vehicles.
In the course of counter-battery warfare, the Russian troops hit one U.S.-made M109 Paladin self-propelled artillery system, one Msta-B howitzer, two D-20 howitzers, one D-30 howitzer, and one MT-12 Rapira anti-tank gun.
In South Donetsk direction, the Vostok Group of Forces' units inflicted fire damage and repelled two counter-attacks of the AFU 72nd Mechanised Brigade's assault groups close to Staromayorskoye (Donetsk People's Republic).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 130 Ukrainian troops, one tank, two infantry fighting vehicles, five motor vehicles, and one Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system.
In Kherson direction, units of the Dnepr Group of Forces improved the situation along the front line and hit manpower and hardware clusters of the 65th Mechanised Brigade of the AFU and 121st Territorial Defence Brigade close to Rabotino and Pyatikhatki (Zaporozhye region).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 30 Ukrainian troops, two motor vehicles, one U.S.-made M777 artillery system, and one D-30 howitzer.
Operational-Tactical Aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, and Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Groups of Forces have engaged AFU manpower and hardware in 114 areas during the day.
Air defence systems shot down 143 AFU unmanned aerial vehicles and shot down 38 HIMARS, Olkha, Grad, and Vampire MLRS projectiles.
In total, 577 airplanes and 270 helicopters, 16,135 unmanned aerial vehicles, 486 air defence missile systems, 15,534 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,244 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 8,456 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 19,933 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.
Posted by: Rhymerez | Mar 20 2024 20:01 utc | 66
At this point, I stop talking to people. I fear Peter Au (in one of his statements yesterday) and the “much feared and loathed” sb are probably right about where this will head before the Natzo leadership stops their offensives.
Posted by: natokraine | Mar 20 2024 19:26 utc | 56
I can relate to what you have said completely.
Good mate of mine. I'd have considered with a well informed healthy scepticism
started off with the ah Russian GzDP smaller than Italian one
Another guy thinks that the Russians blew up the NS2 despite pointing out why not just turn off the valves and wait for people to come to their senses.
I don't know.
Complacency and a certain amount of comfortable affluence?
Has msm conditioning over years dulled people's interest in finding the truth?
Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 20:07 utc | 67
Posted by: Rhymerez | Mar 20 2024 20:01 utc | 66
I believe that the Russian figures are actually understating the losses. Russia is dropping a lot of FAB/glide bombs every day (a real game changing weapon in this war). There is no way to really know how many people were in a building, depot or bunker... There are also the occasional Iskander strikes against high value targets as well.
Posted by: ctiger | Mar 20 2024 20:11 utc | 68
The problem is the West's easy victory over the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union, ignoring the fact that the Soviet Union didn't defend itself because it didn't want to defend itself. Now they believe that the rest - Russia, China... they'll get easy rid of too... History is full of examples where overestimation of oneself led to the collapse after supposedly easy victories –
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 20 2024 19:34 utc | 60
Hubris at it's most blatantly ridiculous in this case?
As has been remarked in this bar more than once.
You're not fighting guys sandals and
AK 47s anymore.
These are peer opponents you picked a fighting match with.
Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 20:13 utc | 69
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 20 2024 18:51 utc | 49
" One Patriot missile" - out of that you make a whole campaign! You must be getting desperate.
And:
"Right now Russian attack subs should be tailing whatever French SSBNs are out on patrol and a Russian frigate or a sub with nuclear-armed Zircons should be parked next to Ile Longue to take care of the ones that are on the surface."
You're implying that they aren't - how the f*** would you know?
You and your dog should go back for a few months more training - I keep telling you - credibility is the first rule of successful propaganda. Either that or start taking antidepressants.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Mar 20 2024 20:16 utc | 70
Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 20:07 utc | 67
Ninetynine out of one hundred sheep asked, said that they preferred sheep-like behaviour.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Mar 20 2024 20:22 utc | 71
Mary @61
That is what Hitler did wrong. Shouldn't have declared war on Poland and the Soviet Union. Should have just called them "special military operations" and everything would have been fine under international law!
Seriously, though, the moment Russian troops crossed into oblasts other than Donyetsk and Lugansk, it was hard to tell it apart from an invasion...
Posted by: AJ | Mar 20 2024 20:26 utc | 72
Posted by: AJ | Mar 20 2024 20:26 utc | 72
Did you miss the fact that Rissia were invited to protect the DPR and LPR by the republics themselves? Who invited Hitler? How dumb the NAFO trolls like yourself are...
Posted by: Boo | Mar 20 2024 20:36 utc | 73
With Nuland’s 2014 invasion of Kyiv, those republics became independent. Later, they asked Russia to come to their defense.It’s worth distinguishing an intervention as a contrast from, for instance, USA invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc.
Posted by: natokraine | Mar 20 2024 17:51 utc | 37
Colonel Trukhan also pointed out an out-of-the-box view (for westerners, but maybe not for Russians).
Ukraine actually started separating in 2014, not only through eastern areas detaching from the center, but also western areas from the center. AT that point it was done.
The inevitable destiny is approaching of a 'west Ukraine', they will lose claim to the east forever. The western part will be eaten, consumed and completely stripped of any potential riches by the western colonialists. The west will demand the western part will pay all the debts of original Ukraine.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2024 20:38 utc | 74
Another guy thinks that the Russians blew up the NS2 despite pointing out why not just turn off the valves and wait for people to come to their senses.
...
Has msm conditioning over years dulled people's interest in finding the truth?Posted by: jpc | Mar 20 2024 20:07 utc | 67
when our german media went completely propagandamode regarding the turbine repair/maintenance issue for ns1, i tried my very best to inform people that russia is not the problem there. they kept to the contract to an i, while the canadian siemens company/subsidiary-whatever that was responsible for the repairs simply refused to stick to the contract, citing sanctions etc.
not a single person i know understood what the issue was. because the media and politicians kept repeating that its the putin that refuses to repair, or keeps them hostage or something.
russia would have been in breach of contract, but hey.
keep in mind. germans LOVE bureaucratic things. contracts are sacrosanct for normal people in business. but somehow, this particular contract did not exist for for the deutsche michel.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 20 2024 20:38 utc | 75
I honestly still don't see any reason for panic. So what if the French send 20,000 troops with French uniforms/insignia? Ukraine is not NATO, so killing them in Ukraine will be completely justifiable and not actionable by NATO. And what good will 20,000 men do anyway with the ongoing collapse of the UAF? There were already probably close to 10,000 French there from the beginning.
I can see why there is reason for concern inasmuch as Macaroon stating so openly that he's going to send them is a signal that NATO is not backing down, and symbolically speaking could be a precursor to even more similar actions, even attempting to create a falseflag or blackswan type event to "justify" full NATO involvement (aka WWIII and likely nuclear annihilation).
Am I missing anything?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 20 2024 20:40 utc | 76
HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 17:11 utc | 25
You are wrong.
Russia recognized the Republics that broke away from Ukraine after the US run Coup in 2014.
Russia signed a mutual defense treaty with the Republics, which had been attacked and had 14,000 civilians murdered by Ukraine.
Russia came to the defense of its Ally.
Posted by: Bilejones | Mar 20 2024 20:47 utc | 77
The USAF Special Forces plane that flew Tblisi-Almaty last night is now back at Tblisi.
https://www.flightradar24.com/MISFT61/34709ba1
I trust Russia are taking note - sounds like attacks from Georgia and Kazakhstan territory could be incoming.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2024 20:50 utc | 78
78
Chessmaster gave & still gives his western partners enough
time to prepare attacks with SloMo
Posted by: SlowSoft | Mar 20 2024 20:54 utc | 79
This is the first use of homing drones, only by the Ukrainian Armed Forces (the first published). Let me remind you that our tests were still at the end of autumn, and it was only a matter of time before the crests would be able to roll out their version.Now the question comes down to saturating the troops with such systems. And the relevance of electronic warfare is rapidly declining (although it is still necessary so that the enemy is not tempted to use simpler and more primitive systems). And the question of building an integrated anti-drone system based on the principle of physical destruction is rising to its full potential; there is no longer any time left to build up.
And yes, of course this will not become a weapon of victory for the hosts. FPV drones are an important part of the weapons system, but only a part. It’s just that because of it, losses increase, just like the enemy’s from our FPV. The weapon of victory is a comprehensive solution that allows you to defeat the entire armed forces of the enemy.
Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 20 2024 20:56 utc | 80
malenkov | Mar 20 2024 16:53 utc | 23
Highlighting the distinction between Niger and Nigeria.
…sometimes details like these are important.…
Posting from Austria In the South Pacific, I completely agree.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2024 20:59 utc | 81
Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 20 2024 20:38 utc | 75
At this point i have to assume many a fellow michel to be a docile, moronic crypto fascist.
Liberal propaganda has led to literal brain rot.
Accnowleding reality would lead to despair, we here in germany are objectively, pardon my french, fucked.
Posted by: kspr | Mar 20 2024 21:05 utc | 82
But we all know that the Russian SMO in Ukraine did not cause the "shock", but the idiotic US and Western sanctions...blowback!!!
Posted by: notlurking | Mar 20 2024 16:19 utc | 19
The economic ruin of Europe is not an accident or blowback. It is intentional. The EU is an economic competitor to the US, so wrecking that was one objective of the proxy war in Ukraine. Blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines was intended to hurt Europe, especially Germany, and it did. And that is the only objective where the US can claim victory. The war was also supposed to remove Russia as a military competitor, and then move on toward destroying the economy of China. Of course, those will not happen, because China declined the invitation to assist in wrecking Russia's economy. And because Russia proved to be resilient both economically and militarily.
Posted by: Clever Dog | Mar 20 2024 21:05 utc | 83
Don't feed trolls with pencil names. Donbass and Crimea did not want the Maidan US coup, there is no invasion. Pencil name can move to Kosovo
Posted by: rk | Mar 20 2024 17:31 utc | 30
Do you have problem with reading comprehension? Show me one example of ANYTHING I have written that wasn't in support of Russia in this conflict. The only thing that could be remotely construed as negative about Russia was arguing against Russia escalating to nuclear weapons ... which I still believe would NOT be in Russia's interests.
My post was about the politically correct the use of the word "invasion". If you or anyone else have a problem with the language I use here then take it up with the folks at The OED. I assure you my use of the word is correct.
This is the second time you've called me a troll however it's only the first time I've called you an asshole.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 21:11 utc | 84
@81 Melaleuca
Lol. I read that twice, first time I didn't get it then it dawned on me Austria/Australia.
Thanks for the joke it made me smile.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 20 2024 21:12 utc | 85
Boo @73
Is English not your first language? You seem to have a problem with comprehending basic English. Also, you fail to recognise sarcasm re Hitler. By the way, what is NAFO? Are you dislexic, as well?
Posted by: AJ | Mar 20 2024 21:25 utc | 86
HB_Norica | Mar 20 2024 17:11 utc | 25You are wrong.
Russia recognized the Republics that broke away from Ukraine after the US run Coup in 2014.
Russia signed a mutual defense treaty with the Republics, which had been attacked and had 14,000 civilians murdered by Ukraine.
Russia came to the defense of its Ally.Posted by: Bilejones | Mar 20 2024 20:47 utc | 77
Russia only unrecognized them as independent from Ukraine in February 2022, right before they invaded.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60468237
Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered troops into two rebel-held regions in eastern Ukraine, after recognising them as independent states.
That was to use some UN rule about coming to the aid of another country. For Minsk and Minsk 2 peace agreements that Russia was a part of in 2014 and 2015, the Donbas remained in Ukraine but with some ability to make their own choices.
Posted by: Cheney | Mar 20 2024 21:26 utc | 87
AJ @86
Here I am misspelling dyslexic while accusing someone the same...
Posted by: AJ | Mar 20 2024 21:28 utc | 88
"Russland ist nicht so stark, wie man denkt" - Kanzler Scholz verteidigt Ukraine-Kurs | ntv
russia not as strong as you think it is - adolf scholzler
this little paid schill, and the whole applauding bundestag, is a perfect example of not understanding when someone is not doing something like you would do.
this is not "not afraid of weak putin" as some schmucks here like to call it. this is pure idiotic pompous illusion of grandeur.
pride comes before the fall.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 20 2024 21:30 utc | 89
TASS reports Russian aircraft bombed a base 'full of foreign mercenaries' in Kharkov.
Foreign specialists and military GURs (Main intelligence directorate of Ukraine) involved in attacks on the Belgorod region were killed by a Russian strike on a UAV plant in Kharkov, underground fighters told Sputnik
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2024 21:39 utc | 90
About the use of "invasion" or "intervention" and political correctness from either perspective, the more important question are the goals of the SMO, on which both sides of the argument here seem to be in agreement; and because "invasion" is associated with aggression, when in fact the Russians are fighting against imperialist aggression, one should really side with the use of "intervention" (which, by the way, is what the US did with its coup, which was even worse than an invasion in many ways, ...)
Posted by: SlowDL | Mar 20 2024 21:42 utc | 91
The USAF Special Forces plane that flew Tblisi-Almaty last night is now back at Tblisi.https://www.flightradar24.com/MISFT61/34709ba1
I trust Russia are taking note - sounds like attacks from Georgia and Kazakhstan territory could be incoming.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2024 20:50 utc | 78
I'm sure the RF will have absolutely no idea what is going on in neighbour and former soviet republic Kazakhstan (or Georgia, for that matter). Prolly never heard of flight radar 24 either. :-/
My guess is exfiltration of high value targets owned by Uncle Sam, but what do I know.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 20 2024 21:46 utc | 92
Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 20 2024 21:46 utc | 92
The Georgian government has always denied from participating as a US patsy in any of their anti-Russia projects, but you never know. US/CIA could easily be operating in Georgia without any sort of approval.
For instance, the Germans got Ottoman Empire into WW1 pretty much without the consent of Ottoman government or politicians by simply bombing Russia under Turkish flag. They had military leaders in the conspiracy. US or British can do very easily do with any bordering state with Russia, including Georgia.
We are on the road to hell.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2024 21:51 utc | 93
Reposting post from old UKr thread:
To filter out posters from your stream, install ublock origin:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin
in the firefox browser.
Then under "My filters" add:
www.moonofalabama.org##div.comments-body:has(p.posted:contains(Posted by: POSTERNAME))
Replace "POSTERNAME" with name of the poster you wish to block.
Best copy and then paste the posters name,
in case they have used special characters in their name.
Also, if their name contains apostophes,
put the whole of the contents of the brackets within quotes, e.g.
instead of just:
contains(Posted by: POSTERNAME))
do:
contains("Posted by: POSTERNAME"))
instead.
Then press Shift-Control-R to refresh the page, and the poster should be gone, or you can just wait until you go to a new page.
Posted by: hh | Mar 20 2024 21:55 utc | 94
"The general said that France currently has the capacity to commit a division of around 20,000 men within 30 days"
Hmmm ... If Moscow makes them a priority, at 1,000/day, they'll be gone in 3 weeks.
Posted by: Mary | Mar 20 2024 19:31 utc | 58
Yet France could provide valuable assistance to Ukraine and be environmentally sound too, by cleaning up all those abandoned Russian shovels, so the French Army could dig graves, for themselves and Ukrainians.
This would have another benefit of freeing up Ukrainian Grave Diggers for grinding meat at the front.
Posted by: kupkee | Mar 20 2024 21:58 utc | 95
IIR the DPR and LPR formally ceceeded from Ukraine and declared themselves independent states - ratified by their legislative bodies - then they formally appealed to Russia to accept them into the Russian Federation. The Russian duma accepted this appeal and Putin signed it. Then these regions requested protection as a formal part of the RF, and this Russia agreed to provide via the SMO.
Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 20 2024 21:59 utc | 96
@Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 20 2024 13:58 utc | 3
The Russian numbers are an undercount, as they only include losses near the front-line and can be confirmed. With all the major strikes in the rear, plus the other not counted losses we may well be above 2,000 a day - 60,000 a month. With perhaps one in four losses being replaced with extremely unwilling press-ganged recruits, that means a reduction of 45,000 a month and an ongoing reduction in the effectiveness of those doing the fighting. At some point does the drop in morale lead to more extensive surrendering? Together with continual reductions in equipment every day as well. No wonder the Europeans are panicking given the US intransigence on new money (with Trump gaining in the polls and the election getting closer I don't see this changing).
Looks like the Russians have broken the back of the Ukrainian defences in Tonenke and Orlivka and will soon be able to move westwards again. This will put the Ukrainians in open fields and the hastily-assembled defences of Umanske, Yasnobrodivka and Novoselivka Persha - which will probably lead to a further escalation of Ukie losses. In addition, Heorhiivka west of Marinka seems to be giving way creating another hole that will need expensive (in lives and equipment) plugging.
The French think with all of 20,000 men tops they can free up Ukies in the rear to plug the gaps at the front, utterly delusional given the Ukie daily losses. Also, the French troops will be a juicy target for the fury of the Russians, a fury none of them have any experience of. It will be a severe surprise to those troops and to France.
At some point in the near future, the Ukies will have no reserves left to plug holes and the front will start to collapse. That's what the Europeans are really scared of, a general military collapse and quite possibly individual generals doing deals with the Russians - including for Odessa. The Russians must take Odessa to maintain control of the Black Sea and save Transnistria. The US is already starting to build a huge military base just across the border in Romania.
I expect a continual steady intensification of the Russian attacks until the Ukies break, that day may not be far away.
Doma says that Russian army has a lot of difficulties to push Ukro forces out of Russia proper.
Ukrainians are like ISIS. Eager to die for a divine aim.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 20 2024 22:15 utc | 99
unimperator | Mar 20 2024 21:51 utc | 93
"US or British can do very easily do with any bordering state with Russia, including Georgia."
Brits can't do anywhere near what the US can, as they haven't got much money.
At the moment they're doing a lot of training off the North Sea coast, perhaps Ukrainians, perhaps not, but they are so short of kit that they're renting planes from these two sets of people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draken_International
https://www.ravnaero.com/aircraft
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2024 22:18 utc | 100
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