Ukraine Open Thread 2024-078
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Posted by b on March 13, 2024 at 16:01 UTC | Permalink
next page »Latest Putin interview says all US/NATO boots in Ukraine will be crushed as invaders of Russian soil.
Posted by: Surferket | Mar 13 2024 16:08 utc | 2
^ Here it is on Rumble:
https://rumble.com/v4iyc3l-putin-gives-interview-to-russian-media.html
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2024 16:13 utc | 3
Here's an hour and a half of Medvedev, with ENG subs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AGgfxBuAGc
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2024 16:16 utc | 4
Now there's reports of massive fires at industrial sites in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Ukraine is doing all this while shelling Russian held territory as it waits for a 're-up' in funds and weapons from the US.
Posted by: bored | Mar 13 2024 16:04 utc | 1
Yes, the FT has been pushing me a story the last few days of Ukronazis destroying a Russian oil refinery. Any reliable barfly have the details or do I have to wait for Simplicius?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 13 2024 16:21 utc | 5
@Posted by: Surferket | Mar 13 2024 16:08 utc | 2
Yep, delivering a reality check to Macron et. al. I love how he also recently likened Western elites to vampires who have been sucking the life out of the non-West, as well as many of their own citizens, for 500 years. His rhetoric is certainly escalating and showing a complete disregard from the West, a very different Putin from the 2001 model; and even the 2008 model. He is doing well to place himself, and China, as leaders of the journey of freedom for the Other 7 Billion from Western vampiric dominance.
He has also been very direct about negotiations, making the point that they will not be allowed to be used as a pause that refreshes the Ukrainian army. Sounds like he learnt from the withdrawal from around Kiev and this time the fighting will continue until an agreement is signed; if any such thing ever takes place.
"By Their Deeds" on X also mentioned that the Russian jamming capabilities, as well as the targeting of drone operators, has severely reduced the effectiveness of Ukrainian drones on the battlefield. While Russia's effective use of drones is escalating. Now Ukraine has even lost any advantage they had in this area.
The Honeymoon is Over: Ukraine's Drone Warriors Face FactsFor months now I've been watching the number of drone videos produced by the Ukrainian PR corp (not a real unit) dwindle. What I thought at first might merely be an operational pause turned into a major operation in Avdeevka. Reduced activity by Ukrainian s continued. Then, what I thought was a reduction based on limited forces emerged as a pattern across the entire line of contact.
It's not that Ukraine has less drones, though it's likely many of their drone operators have become casualties. Ukraine's problem is that Russian Electronic Warfare has diminshed Ukraine's ability to successfully carry out drone strikes. Today, the New York Times confirms my suspicions.
Interviews with Ukrainian soldiers, commanders and military analysts say that Russia’s jamming capabilities are straining Ukraine’s limited supplies of off-the-shelf drones and threatening to sideline a key component of Ukraine’s arsenal as the Kremlin mass produces its own fleet of drones.
"For a while, the Ukrainians enjoyed a honeymoon period..." Now, Russia's coordination of improved EW and their UAVs has allowed them to jam Ukrainian drones without jamming their own. This has given Russia the upper hand in the drone wars. “There is nothing like that on the Ukrainian side,” said one Ukrainian drone operator.
To add insult to injury, Russian troops have been weaponizing the weather. They're now using foggy and rainy conditions to conduct their assaults. Ukraine's artillery has been hamstrung by the West's shortage of artillery and MRLS ammuntion. The New York Times notes that drones are a poor substitute for artillery as they do not blanket large areas.
In addition, looks like Pervomaiske may fall within the next few days.
My other suggesting for Putin if he'd take my phone calls is that he needs to double down on his Treaty proposal to the Europeans ... and go hard this time.Spell it out that Russian state considers the NATO organization as an unacceptable direct national security threat to Russia, and see it as a belligerent aggressive entity. That Russia is open to mutual bilateral discussion with any European nation on the basis they are willing to quit that organization and commit to mutual security arrangements with Russia.
Only then will Russia reevaluate future economic and trade ties with them. Until then they are all persona non grata. All NATO members are now considered openly hostile enemies of Russia.
Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Mar 13 2024 15:45 utc | 441
See, there is a tiny bit of a problem with this that I have pointed out many times, but most people here still don't quite grasp, and neither does the Kremlin apparently.
And it is that the Europeans are genuine Russophobes.
Why is that so hard to understand? You have two groups of people who post here:
1) Americans, who, by virtue of being Americans and having grown up in the US cultural context, tend to see everything transactionally, i.e. if the rational course of action is to make a deal, then we make a deal. These people have a hard time understanding irrational deeply ingrained generational hatred.
2) Europeans. Who are not Russophobic themselves (the ones posting here), but because they are Europeans, it is hard for them to see their own tribe as the bad guys.
Then you have group 3), which is the people in the Kremlin and a sizable fraction of Russian society, who grew up seeing the West as this paradise on Earth (which it never was) and are too old and deluded to fully do away with these sentimental attachments. Putin is the embodiment of it.
Thus the stubborn insistence on trying to make a deal, and the continued inability to understand why there cannot be one.
Note that you can understand European Russophobia to an extent. Remember that the continent has undergone several waves of total or near-total population replacement, and those have historically come either from the the Middle East through the Balkans, or from the Eastern European plane, but the last time they came from the Balkans all the way to Western Europe was several millennia B.C. (the Ottomans never made it past Pannonia), and everyone has forgotten it. Since then we've had the Indo-Europeans invading and wiping out nearly all of the old Europeans (Basques and Sardinians being the only survivors), then there was the period of migrations in late antiquity (first the Germanic barbarians, then the Huns and many others), which put an end to Rome and resulted in several centuries of misery, then there were the Mongolians in the 13th and 14th centuries, who were barely stopped. So there is a natural fear of the East. It is deeply ingrained on a different level too -- in Europe the climate goes from warmer to colder not from south to north, but southwest to northeast. So every year for centuries the cold weather came from the direction of Russia, and in the past it was never a certain thing whether any given person would survive the winter. You can see how that association leaves an impact on people's collective psyche.
But then there are two other factors. First, Russia is Orthodox, Europe is Catholic. That has never been forgiven, and remember that the West in the early 15th century thought they had gotten rid of the Orthodox for good once Serbia and Bulgaria fell to the Ottomans, but just at that moment Moscow began consolidating the Russian lands and carried the torch forward.
And then the the most recent (as in, since the late 17th century or so) and most important Russophobia trigger, which is that Russia holds vast riches and Europe wants to appropriate them. But Russia was the only region in the world that successfully resisted colonization and subjugation, and with raw military power too, not factors like all the diseases that prevented Europeans from doing settler colonialism in equatorial Africa. Europeans tried repeatedly to conquer Russia, but we know how that ended every time -- with Russians camping in Stockholm, Warsaw, Berlin and Paris.
That has also been neither forgiven nor forgotten.
The likes of Baerbok and Strack-Zimmermann are not spewing venom in the direction of Moscow just because they are WEF puppets. There is the memory of the 1940s there and a thirst for revenge. And that is shared by much of the population, let nobody fool themselves. Not by everyone, but by a very substantial fraction.
Also notice, very importantly, how things have escalated over the centuries.
Wars between Russian and Poland and Sweden in the 17th and 18th century? Mostly regular stuff for the time.
Napoleon in the early 19th? Moscow ended up burned down, then the Tsar was in Paris. But nothing much happened to France really.
But then WWI was mechanized slaughter, on the Eastern Front too (mostly forgotten because Russians themselves don't like to remember that part of their history).
And in WWII Europeans (it wasn't just the Germans) invaded with outright genocidal intent. The result was 30M dead Russians, and on the other side complete ethnic cleansing of northeast Germany and partition of the rest.
That is a very unpleasant trajectory, as with each round hatred builds up exponentially.
The rational course for Russia is to threaten the Europeans sufficiently so that they abandon any ideas they might have for another attempt at Operation Barbarossa, but to in the same time completely forget about making deals with them and to follow its own path.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 13 2024 16:27 utc | 7
The Ukrainians have the knowledge on how to build A bomb. Soon, they can create a warhead and put it on one of the long range drones and attack. The West would deny any connection to that event.
I think this is Shadoiwbannedis talking about. Nobody is afraid of Russia any more and the chance for nuclear war is higher.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 16:28 utc | 8
Latest Putin interview says all US/NATO boots in Ukraine will be crushed as invaders of Russian soil.
Posted by: Surferket | Mar 13 2024 16:08 utc | 2
*Yawn* Talk is cheap. Speaking of talk:
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/104192
“Macron will make an urgent address to the French nation tomorrow on the war in Ukraine
Earlier, the country’s parliament approved the French president’s strategy towards Ukraine and supported the bilateral security agreement signed by Macron and Zelenskyy.
📰 Le Monde”
No, it won’t be popular. Macron doesn’t care, and germany will be forced to go along.
WWIII is coming.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Mar 13 2024 16:31 utc | 9
Now there's reports of massive fires at industrial sites in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Ukraine is doing all this while shelling Russian held territory as it waits for a 're-up' in funds and weapons from the US.
Posted by: bored | Mar 13 2024 16:04 utc | 1
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Or is this a US/CIA operation? I would refer you to the US/CIA proxy war in Afghanistan 1980's.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 13 2024 16:33 utc | 10
The Ukrainians have the knowledge on how to build A bomb. Soon, they can create a warhead and put it on one of the long range drones and attack. The West would deny any connection to that event.I think this is Shadoiwbannedis talking about. Nobody is afraid of Russia any more and the chance for nuclear war is higher.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 16:28 utc | 8
Nobody is certain Ukrainians even returned all their warheads to Russia back in the days. But it doesn't even matter -- they can always get them from the US.
Then the question is about delivery systems.
P.S. It is quite possible nukes have been in Ukraine for a while and that is why Putin is being so passive. But why does he think things will improve if he just keeps ignoring the problem?
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 13 2024 16:34 utc | 11
You would think that thread spammer shadowbarbarian, if they were honest brokers here, would have already brought Putin's recent words here and told us where they are weak or wrong.
From Reuters
Putin warns the West: Russia is ready for nuclear war
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2024 16:36 utc | 12
In case of Ukro nuclear tactical attack, The West can even deny that here was a nuclear attack. The population in EU/USA is totally brainwashed and 95% trust MSM.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 16:39 utc | 13
I would suggest our guest B to create a discussion 'Not on Ukraine but on why Putin or anyone else in the world should go nuclear'
Posted by: Mario | Mar 13 2024 16:45 utc | 14
Someone said: The rational course for Russia is to threaten the Europeans sufficiently so that they abandon any ideas they might have for another attempt at Operation Barbarossa, but to in the same time completely forget about making deals with them and to follow its own path.
But Putin, Lavrov, and Medvedev have all stated in public that Nuclear was possible if the US and / or NATO puts boots on the ground in Russia or Ukraine. Someone wants to beat a dead horse to death. It is very boring.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 13 2024 16:47 utc | 15
Posted by: Mario | Mar 13 2024 16:45 utc | 14
Maybe have a thread for Escapees of the Lunatic Asylum
With padded walls, they can repeated ad nauseum their rankings about nuclear annihilation or tell each other what’s wrong with Russian MoD that is steadily taking apart Ukraine and NATO simultaneously, or what the problem with Putin is, “but if only I could speak to him on the phone I could put him right”
Lunatic Thread
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Mar 13 2024 16:55 utc | 16
@shadowbanned
These recent incursions are the penultimate stings of the bandereite-nazi wasps, guided by nato intelligence, in Nuland's hive - designed to damage public opinion on the eve of Russia's presidential election - and to distract attention from the inevitable collapse of their exhausted forces on the Eastern front line - and globally a PR stunt to deceive western publics that the nazis are taking the fight to Russia - and that they simply needs more guns an dollars to end up smelling like roses.
Are they causing some damage - yes - but minor in the overall scheme of things - and hoping that RF will do something stupid such as carpet bombing Kiev or Kharkov etc. RF leadership is not stupid.
that said, ta for updates, but glad that you are not in control of RF forces as you would certainly do something stupid and start WWWFINAL.
As for Russophobic Europeans - they are basically fu€ked economically and insipid militarily - due to their slave-master relation with the rabidly russophobic neocons in the US - and now they know it - the poor dears. Also terrified that their master is raising the white flag around here and moving to their more recent China syndrome strategy while following the Zionists in their shit-show genocide, and who control US strategy in West Asia. When the US aircraft in the eastern med bomb Hezbollah to come to the aid of overstretched Zionists then Iran and not Ukraine will be the focus. This is the big upcoming decision time for RF - not Kiev - as multipolarity at stake.
RF will simply grind-on until Kharkov and Odessa are back in their historic homeland in Russian Civilization. Chill - all will be well! Look at the Big Picture. War is messy.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2024 17:00 utc | 17
Nukes don't just "sit around"...They deteriorate and need skilled maintenance...I see no evidence that the Ukraine is engaged in such maintenance, or is even capable of it..And I'm quite sure that the intelligence services would know of such assets and any maintenance activities....
But any use of tactical nukes in the Ukraine would touch off retaliation against European capitols and possibly all out WWIII...
Posted by: pyrrhus | Mar 13 2024 17:02 utc | 18
NATO Exercises
There are four NATO exercises currently underway:
Steadfast Defender 2024;
Quadriga 2024;
Dragon-24: and
Nordic Response 2024.
They appear to be undertaken in a overall coordinated effort.
Does anyone have a source that is tracking the disposition and movements of the land, naval and air forces, and the equipment and personnel involved?
Posted by: Jerr | Mar 13 2024 17:03 utc | 19
The Ukrainians have the knowledge on how to build A bomb. Soon, they can create a warhead and put it on one of the long range drones and attack. The West would deny any connection to that event.I think this is Shadoiwbannedis talking about. Nobody is afraid of Russia any more and the chance for nuclear war is higher.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 16:28 utc | 8
Are you sure you weren't an intern in the US state Dept circa 2001? Because this fear mongering sound suspiciously like the same paranoid message that we heard coming out in the USA in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. All that managed to do is allow the NSA to bug our phones and make air travel a Kafkaesque hell.
If the Ukrainians have the ability to make a nuclear device they had it long before the Russian SMO began. Building a device is hard enough but miniturizing one to fit into a drone is a couple of orders of magnitude harder. There are only a few nations on earth with the ability to do that ... you don't machine plutonium into a perfect sphere in a garage workshop.
If you want to settle arguments with your fists you can't be afraid of a bloody nose. These drone attacks on Russia aren't body blows ... they are rather weak jabs. All they can do is provoke a reaction. The timing of these attacks suggests their objective is to disrupt turnout for the Russian election and make Russians feel unsafe ahead of the Russian election not provoke a nuclear war. Nobody wants a nuclear war with Russia ... except maybe a few individuals posting on this board. It doesn't benefit the USA, it doesn't benefit the EU and it doesn't benefit Ukraine.
What they do want is the fear of nuclear war and worldwide condemnation of Russia as a nuclear warmonger which some useful idiots are trying very hard to cultivate.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 13 2024 17:03 utc | 20
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 16:28 utc | 8
This math does not work anymore. US is actively disengaging from the possibility of going full nuclear if Russia drops a nuke on NATO headquarters or London/Paris IN RESPONDING to the ukros dropping a nuke or a dirty bomb on Russia. It's only fair to punish the real perps, innit?
Posted by: Boo | Mar 13 2024 17:04 utc | 21
Le Petit Peugeot making lots of noise these days.
Things must be dire in Kiyv
Posted by: Comandante | Mar 13 2024 17:07 utc | 22
Why threaten the use of nuclear power? Simple, at the moment there are 50 or 60 states with nuclear power plants that produce depleted uranium. If we want, we can introduce a significant quantity of radioactive material into any type of missile, and when it explodes in the air or on the ground we can banish a huge surface area of territory. . The precedents in Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan are there for all to see.
Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Mar 13 2024 17:08 utc | 23
Even if people have forgotten, Putin, Lavrov, Medvedev etc... had drawn up "red lines" which should not be crossed, under penalty of very serious consequences for the West. First it was sending the Abrahms, then the Patriot systems, then the F16s, then the medium-range missiles. And of course and above all the attacks on Russian soil. But the Westerners have crossed all those red lines and only yesterday they carried out 10 attacks on Russian soil, one of which was on an oil facility in Ryazan, i.e. 500 km inside Russian soil, the same distance as Moscow from the border. It means that Russian deterrence does not work, because during the Cold War, i.e. for almost 50 years, NO ONE EVER dreamed of carrying out military actions within the territory of the USSR or vice versa the Russians within the territory of the USA. Paul Craig Roberts appears to be right. He is the only one who for 18 months has been saying that Putin's quote-unquote "wise" and tolerant attitude leads to continuous and growing provocations that could lead at a certain point to a nuclear war. While a very strong and violent response from the first moment would have been a deterrent.
Posted by: Cumino | Mar 13 2024 17:10 utc | 24
Greetings to all. Mentioning the confusing news of the day State-side; Victor Orban met with Trump, and Donald Tusk and Co. of Poland met with Biden at the big house. (Side note; Like most yanks I thought Tusk was actually Trump, because both have similar names;- or because my eyes glaze over at every mention of Poland in print) But just to set the facts in proper order: Poland is the bad guys and Hungary good guys,; *I mean, come on, man.* Those Hungarian guys wear funny hats and suits, just ask Putin, they look like performers, and Poland is the but-tend of every sophomoric quip this side of Chicago. So, I think it’s pretty dimple stupid, the Pope said to surrender, and these boys are just playing it out.
Posted by: Nothingburgers | Mar 13 2024 17:22 utc | 25
I l-l-love it when gays rant about Putin, their hate is so cute, they are just glowing!
And if gays are pearl-clutching, it proves once again that Putin is doing everything right.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Mar 13 2024 17:23 utc | 26
Posted to this thread because drone technology is relevant to the situation in Ukraine.
Jon Kraft has posted the next video in his radar tech series "Drone Tracking Radar".
Part4: Chirp Synchronization ==> https://youtu.be/KBFYzVOuhmI
Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2024 17:25 utc | 27
Regarding America anonymously using nukes by way of Ukraine, afaik that can't happen, as nuclear weapons when detonated give off a signature that betrays their origin.
The Russian led coalition is winning on the battlefield, and the AFU has felt compelled to deploy its reserves, and slug it out along the line of conflict, rather than retreat to behind its scandalously ill prepared next line of defense.
That is the real news, as it was yesterday, and will be tomorrow, and real journalists and pundits are following closely to see how Ukraine is bleeding out as it attempts to avoid a Russian breakthrough.
Away from the battlefield, and Ukraine itself, the other critical war related story is about the question of the ability and desire of the West to be able to go on feeding the insatiable gaping maw that is the Zelenskyy regime in Kiev.
Governments that declared Russia to be an existential threat are now hoisted on their own petard as the aid they send to Ukraine won't change things, but it does leave them with a depleted looking military.
In America Biden has proposed a budget, and now it will be negotiated. Inevitably it will be said that there isn't enough money for this, and there isn't enough money for that. But baked into the budget will be billions and billions of dollars of aid for Ukraine and Israel, and those angered by the denial of funding to what they hold dear will draw the logical conclusion that Ukraine and Israel are held to be more important than they are.
As a side note, I see it as being the case, that for many, Ukraine is getting emotionally conflated with Israel, as is Netanyahu with Zelenskyy, and resentment for the one is getting carried over to the other.
Younger voters and lower information ones have scant affection for them, and they are going to be easily triggered by hearing of the vast sums they are scheduled to receive.
Representatives to the House are always up for reelection, and they are going to be sensitive about voting to send billions to a loser like Zelenskyy, and a monster like Netanyahu.
And now even a Senator like Lindsay Graham, the ultimate war monger, is hedging his terms in support of Ukraine, saying he'd only vote for loans, and he wants America's southern border secured as a prerequisite to even that.
Saying he'd loan the money comes with the unspoken caveat, "if they can pay it back". He left himself an out for later going back on sending funding.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 13 2024 17:25 utc | 28
🇷🇺🇺🇦 For the second day in a row the so-called. Ukraine is carrying out massive attacks on the border and rear regions of Russia. According to official information, over the past 24 hours, air defense units have destroyed more than 60 unmanned aerial vehicles.▪️In Ryazan , the Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked two oil refining installations on the territory of the Ryazan Nefteproduct JSC refinery with Mugin-5 Pro drones. A fire broke out and two plant workers were injured.
▪️In the Leningrad region, a mobile group destroyed a drone on approach to the KINEF oil refinery . Over the past two days, this is the second attack on the Kirishi region .
▪️ The Rostov region was also attacked by drones. Electronic warfare systems suppressed three UAVs that fell onto the territory of the Novoshakhtinsky Oil Refinery . At the moment, all technological processes at the enterprise have been stopped.
▪️In Belgorod, one unmanned aerial vehicle crashed into an apartment building, and the second UAV fell into the river. In the Gubkinsky and Novooskolsky urban districts , Krasnensky and Prokhorovsky districts, several private houses, gas supply and power lines were damaged as a result of UAV attacks.
▪️Air defense systems destroyed 40 drones over the Voronezh region . Most of them were intercepted over Voronezh , where fragments of several devices fell onto the territory of the market. Apparently, the target of the raid was again the airfield in Buturlinovka and Voronezh.
▪️In the Bryansk region, air defense crews shot down eight drones. The same number were destroyed over the Kursk region when approaching the regional capital: there were no casualties or destruction on the ground.
https://t.me/two_majors/20497
Posted by: Down South | Mar 13 2024 17:34 utc | 29
Pervomayskoe falls, Krasnogorovka begins to fall along the chain and then the line Novomikhailovka-Paraskovievka-Konstantinovka.The successful capture of Nevelskoye means that about three thousand dill holding the front near Pervomaisky will fall into the next pincer movement along the conventional line Nevelskoye - Peski-Vodyanoye.
Summarizing everything as a whole, we can state that the Donetsk liberation operation is developing strictly in accordance with the plan. The contours of this plan are already clearly visible: the defeat of the Donetsk 60 thousandth enemy group (in fact, in six months of fighting near Donetsk, dill have already suffered about 70 thousand losses), an assault on the Kurakhovo-Pokrovskoye line.
It is obvious that immediately after the defeat of dill near Donetsk, our big offensive in Zaporozhye will begin in three directions. Preparatory activities are, first of all, local battles for more advantageous positions for the offensive.In general, the defeat of the Ukrainian Nazis on the Donetsk Bulge will be comparable in significance to the Battle of Kursk. After which all we have to do is finish off the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Actually, it is precisely this option that the European and American imperialists are trying to prevent when they threaten to send troops to Ukraine.
https://t.me/geromanat/22612
Posted by: Down South | Mar 13 2024 17:38 utc | 30
I think those 'trolls' here who desire to waste my time with their never-ending self-aggrandizing posts about red lines and total war are actually agent provocateurs. A definition is a person who induces others to be violent or commit an illegal act in order to incriminate them or discredit a cause. All this talk about nuclear war is designed to make the Moon appear to be a violent site frequented by extremists and get it banned in the West. Military Summary ALWAYS ends the clips with a disclaimer of war. Leonard (sorry, I'm American) should start eliminating the posters who call for nuclear war as a solution to conflicts between nations.
Posted by: Quid Me Vexari | Mar 13 2024 17:56 utc | 31
@shadowbanned
Just for you!
This Magnificent Russian Music Is Astonishing - Marvelous Youth Symphony Orchestra in Hi-Res [7 mins] - lovely ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ94Q4k3mZQ
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2024 18:00 utc | 32
"What they do want is the fear of nuclear war and worldwide condemnation of Russia as a nuclear warmonger which some useful idiots are trying very hard to cultivate."
Posted by: HB_Norica 20
Succinct summation. In fact, your whole post was right on the money.
Posted by: arthurdecco | Mar 13 2024 18:02 utc | 33
In case of Ukro nuclear tactical attack, The West can even deny that here was a nuclear attack. The population in EU/USA is totally brainwashed and 95% trust MSM.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 16:39 utc | 13
They want you to believe they have such control.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 13 2024 18:09 utc | 34
. The precedents in Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan are there for all to see.
Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Mar 13 2024 17:08 utc | 23
Which terrorists did that?
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 13 2024 18:44 utc | 35
Russia has not intention to unleash a nuclear war against an adversary and or enemy.
Posted by: AI | Mar 13 2024 18:46 utc | 36
Posted by: Quid Me Vexari | Mar 13 2024 17:56 utc | 31
I totally agree with your call to b to 'eliminate the posters who call for nuclear war as a solution to conflicts between nations", even if they are not provocateurs and even if promoting nuclear war would not get the blog banned.
We should not tolerate calls for nuclear destruction under any pretense, least of all free speech.
Posted by: JB | Mar 13 2024 18:47 utc | 37
Making threats is always a bad tactic.
To issue a threat, and hope to have some credibility afterwards, one must be ready to follow through.
But threats, lies, subversion, and mind games are the way the West likes to operate.
That was Trump's thing. Yell and scream and get red-faced until ultimately backing down when the moment of truth arrives.
Do that a couple of times, and the person issuing threats loses all credibility.
I have learned that it is better to always do the thing before speaking. Nothing needs to be said if you do what you want to do well.
No apology, no explanation.
Consistently perform your agenda and people will remove themselves from your path without confrontation or need of threats. No one wants to mess with the badass who always shows up, kicks ass, and walks away without shedding a tear.
That last bit is what the Russians are doing. All the West can do is talk, stage minor terror provocations, make threats, etc.
Russia keeps de-militarizing NATO, day in and day out.
China, India, and the OPEC nations see that and respect it.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 13 2024 18:50 utc | 38
@ shadowbanned, §7:
Speak for yourself, sw.
I´m a Briton living in Vienna.
I am not a Russophobe, if anything a Russophile since 2014.
And an Americophobe since 2003 when that war criminal, T. B´liar, began the destruction of the UK.
Posted by: John Marks | Mar 13 2024 18:59 utc | 39
Posted by: Quid Me Vexari | Mar 13 2024 17:56 utc | 31
'I think those 'trolls' here who desire to waste my time with their never-ending self-aggrandizing posts about red lines and total war are actually agent provocateurs. .....'
'Military Summary ALWAYS ends the clips with a disclaimer of war. '
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Funny I never see you comment on here regularly. Odd that, given your statement., also I will add that as your time is so precious compared to us plebs. Incidentally, the threat of the use of nuclear weapons has been made clear by Putin. His feeling is that without Russia in this world, there is no reason for anyone else. If NATO troops enter the Ukraine and by extension, Russiye, he may very well send a strong message to Europe or the US, just as the US did to Japan.
Also, that statement Dima started making I find retarded. Miltary Summary - get it? His YouTube vids are ALL about death and mayhem. Enough of the patronizing ridiculously misplacrd comment about 'condemning violence'. Reporting on violence is how he makes his living.
Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Mar 13 2024 19:13 utc | 40
Posted by: Freedom Warriors | Mar 13 2024 19:16 utc | 41
Unfortunately the sorry asses were the first to enter in Berlin.
There is a limit on the bullshit that can be tolerated.
Posted by: Mario | Mar 13 2024 19:21 utc | 41
Posted by: Freedom Warriors | Mar 13 2024 19:16 utc | 41
Comic relief.
:-°
very much needed.
TY.
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 13 2024 19:28 utc | 42
Remember—Russia would be a German colony right now if USA hadn’t saved their sorry asses from Hitler in WWII.
Posted by: Freedom Warriors | Mar 13 2024 19:16 utc | 41
I'm not so sure as you about Russia without the help of USA, but what would have happened to France and England in two world wars without the help of the USA - happy German districts? The English elite likes to declare wars, so Russia is a good opportunity. Maybe then the world will finally get peace from these people.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 13 2024 19:30 utc | 43
The trolls attempt at killing this thread is sadly succeeding. Sigh!
Many thank to the few sane voices.
Cheers
Posted by: Suresh | Mar 13 2024 19:35 utc | 44
President Biden put Vladolph Pitler on notice in his SOTU address…USA won’t bow down or back down!
Posted by: Freedom Warriors |
Is this you Zelensky?
Posted by: Innuendo | Mar 13 2024 19:40 utc | 45
For Russia, escalating with The collective west is expensive. Suddenly it would be attacked form Finland, Poland, Armenia. That is why Russia is absorbing the hits.
For the collective west, specially for USA, the escalation is cheap, except if Russia would go nuclear. The West can launch form Finland and Russian response in Finland would mean nothing form London and Paris and Russia cannot hit London or Paris (the nuclear powers).
So, we have a kind of dis balance. Russia has to continue in the current way, this is the only way, cheap enough for Russia. This is precisely the reason the collective west wants to push Russia into escalation.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 19:41 utc | 46
European NATO states can hate all it wants, outside of Poland & Turkey there's nothing they can contribute meaningfully. It's all about European elites wanting USA and other "lessers" in Poland & Turkey to pay for NATO and fight for them. This call for Russian reactionary aggression (Gotta Look Strong!) sounds like agitation propaganda of Euro elites wanting to goad others to do their fighting for them: "You two, fight each other for me -- and pay for it too! -- so I can be on top next round!"
Fuck that. No Nuclear War for you. Quit your bitchin' and enjoy the slow strangulation. Watch your Euro bank accounts drain out and you have to hock your crown jewels to stave off your people's guillotine.
Two years of this broken record. Something's fishy...
Posted by: titmouse | Mar 13 2024 19:41 utc | 47
"According to the Russian Defense Ministry’s official Telegram channel, a total of 58 drones were intercepted in the early hours of Wednesday in six Russian regions. Throughout the day, the ministry reported that several more Ukrainian UAVs were destroyed." - RT
This is just today. Where the hell are they getting all these drones from? Are they being delivered from France? Are they being manufactured in Ukraine?
Can't this be shut down or at least severely truncated?
Posted by: spudski | Mar 13 2024 19:42 utc | 48
I think those 'trolls' here who desire to waste my time with their never-ending self-aggrandizing posts about red lines and total war are actually agent provocateurs. A definition is a person who induces others to be violent or commit an illegal act in order to incriminate them or discredit a cause. All this talk about nuclear war is designed to make the Moon appear to be a violent site frequented by extremists and get it banned in the West. Military Summary ALWAYS ends the clips with a disclaimer of war. Leonard (sorry, I'm American) should start eliminating the posters who call for nuclear war as a solution to conflicts between nations.
Posted by: Quid Me Vexari | Mar 13 2024 17:56 utc | 31
Excuse me but.. Wow. Two years ago everyone (including me) was screaming in joy when Russia finally went through. And everyone and his mother wished Russia was going to smack down the Ukrainian army and go to the Polish border. So now playing the pacifist part does look a bit... strange.
Posted by: Micron | Mar 13 2024 19:46 utc | 49
"Russia either returns ALL occupied Ukrainian land (including Crimea) or (...)"
This is crazy.
Crimea is Russia before California was USA.
The Ukraine-1920-1957 was made by drunken Bolsheviks with land from Poland and Russia. Khrushchev was the head of the Ukrainian Bolsheviks and Brezhnev was Ukrainian.
Your text, however, clearly expresses the attitude of the Western ruling class: ignorance, cynicism and a complete disregard for human life.
Posted by: Simon | Mar 13 2024 19:46 utc | 50
For Russia, escalating with The collective west is expensive. Suddenly it would be attacked form Finland, Poland, Armenia. That is why Russia is absorbing the hits.
For the collective west, specially for USA, the escalation is cheap, except if Russia would go nuclear. The West can launch form Finland and Russian response in Finland would mean nothing form London and Paris and Russia cannot hit London or Paris (the nuclear powers).
So, we have a kind of dis balance. Russia has to continue in the current way, this is the only way, cheap enough for Russia. This is precisely the reason the collective west wants to push Russia into escalation.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 19:41 utc | 47
Wait. So what you are telling in essence is that it is the West which has escalation dominance. For two years I've been told by people in the know on this blog that it was Russia which had all the cards. "Slower is better", remember ? Back then people were saying no big deal if Russia goes slowly, they have all the time in the world, and NATO is a paper tiger.
And now suddenly it's the reverse ?
Posted by: Micron | Mar 13 2024 19:48 utc | 51
Posted by: spudski | Mar 13 2024 19:42 utc | 49
britain promised some 10.000 drones, france and other states have formed recently a "drone coalition", i think it was 8 states or so.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 13 2024 19:49 utc | 52
It means that Russian deterrence does not work, because during the Cold War, i.e. for almost 50 years, NO ONE EVER dreamed of carrying out military actions within the territory of the USSR or vice versa
Posted by: Cumino | Mar 13 2024 17:10 utc | 24
Well there's your problem ... 2024 Russia isn't the Soviet Union. You'll also notice that the US military is attacked daily in the Red sea, Iraq and Syria. They would be attacked at home if too if they didn't live on an island continent bounded by three vast oceans where you can see your enemies approach for days.
As far as "red lines" are concerned understand two things: First there is a difference between being provoked and taking revenge. Second Geopolitical conflict between Russia and NATO is like an iceberg ... 90% of what goes on happens beneath the surface. You haven't got a clue what kind of measures the Russians can take or have taken against these provocations nor when the Russians will take their revenge. Sometimes it's best to let the other side sweat or to make yourself appear weak then launch your revenge when they're comfortable in their position and their guard is down.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 13 2024 19:51 utc | 53
Oliver Krug | Mar 13 2024 19:30 utc | 44
but what would have happened to France and England in two world wars without the help of the USA - happy German districts?
Well, could losing have been much worse than "winning"? To look at Britain now is to realise our dead died in vain and were betrayed.
If you look at a picture of a Japanese city street, prosperous and full of Japanese, then an English city street, poor and full of God knows who, who would you think the victors were?
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 13 2024 19:52 utc | 54
britain promised some 10.000 drones, france and other states have formed recently a "drone coalition", i think it was 8 states or so.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 13 2024 19:49 utc | 53
Thanks, Justpassinby.
Isn't it possible to disrupt the drone shipments?
Posted by: spudski | Mar 13 2024 19:52 utc | 55
That last bit is what the Russians are doing. All the West can do is talk, stage minor terror provocations, make threats, etc.
Russia keeps de-militarizing NATO, day in and day out.
China, India, and the OPEC nations see that and respect it.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 13 2024 18:50 utc | 38
Looks like you haven't checked Medvedev's twitter feed recently. The guy has degenerated into a clown. Full of bluster, brandishing threats, or putting out ridiculous maps with delusions of grandeur.
With regards to China and India : I don't know if they respect it, but it's not worth very much on the battlefield. On the other hand, Russia looks a bit ridiculous now, accepting being invaded and having its refineries blown up one after the other without saying boo.
I still remember when there the referendums in the new oblasts, and people were saying that now these have become official Russian territories, Ukraine and NATO wouldn't dare attacking them ever again. Ah the good old times...
Posted by: Micron | Mar 13 2024 19:52 utc | 56
Only one person here (YetAnotherAnon) expressed an interest to know why, for the last week, the Russians have stopped using FABs in the area west of Avdeevka (i.e., the Berdychi - Semyonovka - Orlovka - Tonenka area).
Since the Berdychi - Semyonovka - Orlovka - Tonenka sector is by far, the most critical section of the front line this seems rather odd.
Everyone knows that if the Russians break through here it is probably over for the Ukrainians, thus the general pessimism in the West.
Yet we see the Russian air force deliberately holding back so that the Ukrainians can establish some sort of defense (further west).
This is exactly the sort of thing that the shadowbanned person endlessly complains about. However, in this instance he fails to even point out what is happening. In this case he is not fazed by the traitors in the Russian command. What does this say about shadowbanned?
I seem to remember a few folk accusing the previous head of the Russian air force, Surovikin, of being a traitor for his withdrawal from Kherson and his blowing up of the only bridge over the Dnieper that might have been of use to the Russians.
If so, it is likely that Surovikin selected underlings who are also traitors.
I'm interested.
How many think Surovikin was a traitor?
How many think there are traitors/sleepers in the Russian air force who would (indirectly) kill Russians to help Ukraine?
Posted by: preposterous | Mar 13 2024 19:55 utc | 57
Ukrainian side told that they loose up to 500 drones/day.
A little math tells us that 10000 drones will last 20 days at that rate.
Even at a rate of 100 drones/day they could last 100 days.
So, 10000 drones does mean nothing if you don't factor in the utilization factor and what the other side can produce.
Posted by: Mario | Mar 13 2024 20:04 utc | 58
It seems only a few days ago, there were claims that Syrski had stopped the Russian advance. Now, Pervomayskoe and Nevelskoye have fallen. At best, he slowed them down or gained a pause at huge cost. I also wonder about the idea that he has one spare brigade left.
Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 13 2024 20:07 utc | 59
Several thoughts:
1) Re “ Remember—Russia would be a German colony right now if USA hadn’t saved their sorry asses from Hitler in WWII.”
US aid to the USSR during WWII was enormous. Without that aid, it can easily be argued that the USSR would have fallen or been severely reduced in size. Yet Germany could never have held all that territory. There would have been some other political structure, the discussion of which is better left to novelists like Philip Dick (Man In The High Castle). Yet it was US aid to the USSR that allowed the US to delay ope the Western Front and cost Russian lives rather than American ones, similar to the use of Ukrainian troops now.
2) Shadowbanned has consistently advocated for extreme prosecution by Russia of the conflict in Ukraine. In my view, such is myopic at best. Whether he is or isn’t an MI6-CIA troll is immaterial; his preferred actions are precipitous and therefore imprudent.
3) The US will continue to poke the Bear in the hope of a precipitous reaction that will justify continued US funding and possibly direct US involvement. This is a US Presidential election year; those now in power cannot be associated with another Afghanistan or Vietnam, so they will press on.
Posted by: Ciaran | Mar 13 2024 20:07 utc | 60
The Ukrainians have the knowledge on how to build A bomb. Soon, they can create a warhead and put it on one of the long range drones and attack. Nobody is afraid of Russia any more and the chance for nuclear war is higher.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 16:28 utc | 8
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vargas, get a grip, unless you are part of the SB Collective. In that case, just follow their style sheet.
Every high school child on the globe can figure out how to build a nuclear bomb. Trouble is, you need to collect all the right ingredients. If you do not have the right ingredients you will not be able to make gold out of lead. Then, you need to have the very precise engineering skills to create fission. Hint, it takes explosives focused on a very narrow vector to a central point.
I am not afraid of Russia either. They are no threat to humanity and proving it every day. NATO, the EU and the US on the other hand, I am afraid, very afraid. Dunderheads.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 13 2024 20:08 utc | 61
#rumors Our source reports that the Ukrainian Armed Forces along the entire front line are losing more than two hundred fpv and reconnaissance drones every day. At peak moments, when there is a hot phase, losses amount to more than 500 units per day. This is not to mention the fact that there were moments when the Russians covered the temporary warehouse of various bookmakers, where there were fpvshki.There is a constant shortage of drones, as well as smart operators.
Also, the situation at zero is constantly changing. Russians are increasingly and massively using electronic warfare and electronic warfare systems to target control centers, etc.
This forced Ukraine to start “writing” its own operating system with AI, but so far the first samples are too crude. At least the West is helping us in this case.This war is changing very quickly and the one who is the first to work on mistakes, find solutions or calculate the next moves then has an advantage.
The monopoly and efficiency of drones will soon decrease - everyone knows this. The question is what will replace them and who will apply it en masse.
Another point is a lot of money. Nothing will happen without them.We are watching.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2024 20:09 utc | 62
Lurker here, prompted to post some thoughts.
Many of the posters here, whether trolls or not, seem to boil with barely-suppressed emotion. This seems to be a largely Western trait or characteristic (that has become more prevalent over recent years). This emotional, almost hormonal-based approach to life understandably becomes confused and frustrated when confronted by a concept that is based in scientific analytical logic, such as Russia’s operational and strategic planning around the SMO.
None of us here have any access to the process, the calculations, the equations that the Russian General Staff are working with. Even if we had such access it is doubtful that many of us would understand them anyway, unless we had a deep scientific grounding in algebra and calculus for example. This is a topic that (like him or not) Andrei Martyanov frequently covers.
To sum up:
The West
“Don’t give me equations, give me my next dopamine hit so I can safely go shopping.”
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 13 2024 20:15 utc | 63
Re: Refineries
Russian oil and gas industry facilities hit by kamikaze UAVs since 2024.1 - Orel. Oil depot | 09.01.24
2 - Bryansk region. Oil depot | 19.01.24
3 - Leningrad region. Novatek terminal | 21.01.24
4 - Krasnodar region. OIL REFINERY | 25.01.24
5 - St. Petersburg. Oil refinery | 31.01.24
6 - Volgograd. OIL REFINERY | 03.02.24
7 - Krasnodar region. OIL REFINERY | 09.02.24
8 - Kursk region. Oil depot | 15.02.24
9 - Belgorod region. Oil depot | 05.03.24
10 - Kursk region. Fuel tank | 06.03.24
11 - Orel. Oil depot | 12.03.24
12 - Nizhny Novgorod region. OIL REFINERY | 12.03.24
https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/2768
Here is Sean Foo's take, looks worse than it is. It is all for UKR PR and maintaining western support, it won't put a dent in RAF's fuel capacities, what it does is prevent RF from exporting finished oil products, and the RF has already put a six month moratorium on exports, but it's a tiny part of Russia's export revenue. However what it does is increase global demand for Russian crude so that the RoW can increase their refining capacities for themselves and for profit from export, and, crude is a very big part of Russias export revenue. If Foo has it right, it's just more ill conceived sanctions blowback on the part of the west.
Major Russian Oil Refinery Attacked, China CANCELS US Wheat Imports, Disastrous Inflation Surge
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2024 20:15 utc | 64
Adding to point #3 in my post (61) above:
If Russia does not take the bait offered by the Us provocations, the only alternative remaining for the US is a major false flag. That is my personal expectation.
Posted by: Ciaran | Mar 13 2024 20:15 utc | 65
Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 13 2024 17:25 utc | 28
Thank you for your post. I read here a while back that the "nuclear signature" might be a reason USA purchased a bunch of plutonium from Russia.
Do you or the fine folks at the bar have any comments on that?
Thank you!
Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 13 2024 20:17 utc | 66
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2024 20:15 utc | 65
Sean Foo also in a recent video pointed out that two of the major oil refineries in Germany, Shell and BP are cutting down their refining capacity.
Europe is most likely more and more reliant on not only imported oil (which they import 100%), but also imported fuel. Fuel is a value added product and the energy cost inside EU will go further than they already were.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2024 20:19 utc | 67
Posted by: Ciaran | Mar 13 2024 20:15 utc | 66
You are correct, US will do a major false flag.
If you believe the current expectations that Ukraine's organized army and resistance is done by Summer, we could expect a US false flag occur imminently before that happens. So it could happen in 2 - 3 months already.
This is also related to US budget deficits, and potential melt down of the corporate and government bond market and US default on debt.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2024 20:22 utc | 68
"What is the purpose of the Ukrainian activity into Russia?"
To divert Russian attention away from west of Avdeevka and give them time to build defenses where there are currently almost no defenses.
I'm not sure if the Russians will fall for this.
The Russians should remember that there are currently almost no defenses west of Avdeevka and the Ukrainians are absolutely desperate.
Posted by: preposterous | Mar 13 2024 20:23 utc | 69
This is also related to US budget deficits, and potential melt down of the corporate and government bond market and US default on debt.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2024 20:22 utc | 69
Don't kid yourself. USD and UST prices are not showing anything resembling distress.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Mar 13 2024 20:25 utc | 70
@Quid Me Vexari | Mar 13 2024 17:56 utc | 31
I think those 'trolls' here who desire to waste my time with their never-ending self-aggrandizing posts about red lines and total war are actually agent provocateurs. A definition is a person who induces others to be violent or commit an illegal act in order to incriminate them or discredit a cause. All this talk about nuclear war is designed to make the Moon appear to be a violent site frequented by extremists and get it banned in the West.
Precisely my thought. Agent provocateurs.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 13 2024 20:26 utc | 71
I'm not sure if the Russians will fall for this.
Posted by: preposterous | Mar 13 2024 20:23 utc | 70
This report from Voenhronika.ru suggests they aren’t falling for it:
In the Kherson region, Vladimir Saldo reports on the successful landing of a group of our Marines on the right-enemy bank of the Dnieper near the Antonovsky Bridge . The Ukrainian Armed Forces did not expect such a bold attack and were caught off guard. An assault team landed at night at the base of the bridge and destroyed enemy control point for drone operators, electronic warfare, and surveillance points. The purpose of the sortie is not only to batter the enemy's rear, but also not to give him a reason to scatter reserves from Kherson.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 13 2024 20:32 utc | 72
Posted by: Feral Finster | Mar 13 2024 20:25 utc | 71
Maybe not, but we should remember that the UST market is still the benchmark/standard for the entire global financial system. Since it is still the 'safe haven', it might not show any cracks at all until the whole ground rips apart from underneath it.
Biden, Blinken and the deep state swamp inherited an incredible position and they manage all financials incredibly badly, it is inevitable it will break and take the global system with it, but until it doesn't, the music keeps going. The actual question is at what point the music stops. I think bitcoin and gold prices are the actual measures of stress.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2024 20:35 utc | 73
Posted by: Freedom Warriors | Mar 13 2024 19:16 utc | 41
hehehe I like that.
I mean, the american civil war would have been so great if not for the russians. Maybe americans should be ass kissing russians for that one?
Posted by: Macpott | Mar 13 2024 20:50 utc | 74
The actual question is at what point the music stops. I think bitcoin and gold prices are the actual measures of stress.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2024 20:35 utc | 74
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Where I come from, the saying is: 'the soup is never as hot at it is served.'
Wall Street, mostly Dem, but completely into self preservation, will likely prevent any global meltdown. They were the big fifties CIA sponsors. The latter currently serve different masters and karloff1 might have a clue.
The transition from the gold standard to the petro dollar as a world currency took a lot of fighting. The US won, Jelle Zylstra, that Dutch guy, finally lost. Volcker hated his guts.
It is unlikely that this topic will get revisited anytime soon. Wall Street will call the shots until they no longer can. You can all thanks for the visitation of, in biblical terms, the Bamster. Right now, they would not like to lose their shirt to Putin. Trump is a battering ram, not a brainiac. Best wishes to all in the turbulous times ahead.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 13 2024 21:02 utc | 75
If you look at a picture of a Japanese city street, prosperous and full of Japanese, then an English city street, poor and full of God knows who, who would you think the victors were?
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 13 2024 19:52 utc | 55
Thanks, that's fine. But if I look out of my window here I too see only Go knows who, but not the result of two lost world wars: only one Merkel und one Olaf.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 13 2024 21:04 utc | 76
Remember—Russia would be a German colony right now if USA hadn’t saved their sorry asses from Hitler in WWII.
Posted by: Freedom Warriors | Mar 13 2024 19:16 utc | 41
If it weren't for the Russians the only way an American could set foot in Europe toway would be with a tourist visa and a German phrase book
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 13 2024 21:09 utc | 77
Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @ 64
This emotional, almost hormonal-based approach to life understandably becomes confused and frustrated when confronted by a concept that is based in scientific analytical logic
It's not so much logic but maturity and wisdom, just look at western leaders every single one is a modern adaptation of Hitler or Mussolini, petulant and full of seething anger, body language and all, and it's not rabble-rousing demagoguery they really are that inadequate and stunted, Macron the most stunted of all. Compare western leaders, the entire lot, to Putin and Xi, even the most fiery, Khamenei and Nasrallah, are grounded in comparison.
Dmitry Orlov snidely and correctly tags these people as "psychologically decompensated". Biden is a few months away from going full blown steam out the ears, fist pounding Fuhrer, they'll probably unleash him after the election if he should win it, lame duck free for all Genocide Joe, get ready for that! With roll models like these is it any wonder the Golden Billion are just as psychologically decompensated?
Sadder and truer than it sounds, and more complex. Big promises were made, the American Dream, not just for the USA but all the Golden Billion that signed on, drank the Kool-Aid, got the Cracker Jack prize from 1950-1975 and now after 40 years of austerity economics and neo-liberal restructuring finding themselves in failed towns, with failed lives, and failed dreams. To quote George Carlin, "they call it the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it." The whole lot across the west woke up in the middle of the night to go take a piss and found themselves butt naked in a vast tent city.
"Confused and frustrated" it's not just western formative culture that programs people for the rush of instant satisfaction that you are witnessing, there's an implosion happening as the rush fails to deliver instantly and long term, the bad aftertaste that lingers, that damages the mind of those not fully actualized. Orlov got it right, psychologically decompensated, what he missed is it's not just the leadership in the west, it's the vast part of the population.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2024 21:09 utc | 78
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Hahaha
Another red line??
Who is taking this Gremlin in Kremlin serious anymore?
His speaches, announcements, words re like The dog let out a loud and smelly fart. Blowing red fart lines in the wind.
This small Gremlin in Kremlin is sooooo boring 🥱
Posted by: SlowSoft | Mar 13 2024 21:10 utc | 79
HB_Norica @ 78
Nice uppercut for the knockout.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2024 21:13 utc | 80
Posted by: SlowSoft | Mar 13 2024 21:10 utc | 80
For southfront comments it’s www.southfront.press
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Mar 13 2024 21:14 utc | 81
This small Gremlin in Kremlin is sooooo boring 🥱Posted by: SlowSoft | Mar 13 2024 21:10 utc | 80
i read that with one of those valley girls accents in my head. you really sound like one of those single 40 years old catlady thats on the brink of calling the manager.
get a dick to fill that hole in your life.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 13 2024 21:18 utc | 82
Remember—Russia would be a German colony right now if USA hadn’t saved their sorry asses from Hitler in WWII.
Posted by: Freedom Warriors | Mar 13 2024 19:16 utc | 41
Excellent another adherent of US Imperialism! Do tell us more, you primitive species.
It's always fascinating to hear what the cucks of imperialism tell themselves.
Keep a close eye on how it reacts, fellows.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 13 2024 21:18 utc | 83
Southfront reports on the second wave of AFU assaults at the border on March 12th.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2024 21:22 utc | 84
Posted by: preposterous | Mar 13 2024 19:55 utc | 58
Yet we see the Russian air force deliberately holding back so that the Ukrainians can establish some sort of defense (further west).
So you got 20/20 satellite vision that can tell in detail what's going on at the front? How you can tell better than the Russian military the disposition of Ukrainian forces in front of Berdychi - Semyonovka - Orlovka - Tonenka sector from behind a computer screen when they have drones, scouts, sigint and satellites telling them where and when to attack or bomb the Ukrainians is just astounding.
How many think Surovikin was a traitor?
Never did.
How many think there are traitors/sleepers in the Russian air force who would (indirectly) kill Russians to help Ukraine?
Probably a few but ... more or less the same number that believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone or the moon landings were faked.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 13 2024 21:24 utc | 85
@pyrrhus
"Nukes don't just "sit around"...They deteriorate and need skilled maintenance...I see no evidence that the Ukraine is engaged in such maintenance, or is even capable of it..And I'm quite sure that the intelligence services would know of such assets and any maintenance activities..."
Or:
Re "I see no evidence": U.S. Deep State specialists are setting up tactical nukes and delivery systems for the Ukronazis to use for their own "Samson Doctrine" response to immanent collapse of their entire military front line in the east (that is clearly coming).
Sequence as follows:
--Quick small nuke or effective sabotage attack on Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. MSM bullhorn coverage of Russian atrocity attack creating an environmental disaster for Europe worse than Chernobyl.
--24/7 coverage of the nuclear option that Ukraine had developed on its own. Multiple mini-nuke attacks of four Russian cities (Donetz, Lugansk, Mariupol and Sevastopol) and military concentrations near the front line. No major Russian cities hit other than Sevastopol.
--U.S./NATO denial of any involvement in this escalation and warning Russia not to start WW III just because Ukraine is defending it's own interests with everything in it's own arsenal, including nuclear weapons, which it historically fielded and had now revamped for use in this war against Russian aggression etc. U.S. and NATO go to Defcon 1.
Roll the dice.
Just a thought.
Posted by: DR - Montreal | Mar 13 2024 21:26 utc | 86
SlowSoft | Mar 13 2024 21:10 utc | 80
Another red line??
It is more a red line only for business(higher gasoline prices)
The price of gasoline is now probably higher in Russia than in Ukraine, for several days or weeks.
Posted by: theo | Mar 13 2024 21:27 utc | 87
"What is the purpose of the Ukrainian activity into Russia?"
To divert Russian attention away from west of Avdeevka and give them time to build defenses where there are currently almost no defenses (and to influence Russian voters).
The Russians should remember that there are currently almost no defenses west of Avdeevka and the Ukrainians are absolutely desperate.
Everyone knows that if the Russians break through here it is probably over for the Ukrainians, thus the general pessimism in the West.
Yet we see the Russian air force deliberately holding back so that the Ukrainians can establish some sort of defense (further west). We have seen the Russian air force move the FAB bombing elsewhere, anywhere else, in order to help the Ukrainians establish this defense west of Avdeevka.
Surovikin (the overall commander of the Russian air force) was likely a traitor and that is why he was fired. Thus it is probable that Surovikin selected underlings who are also traitors.
And recent reports indicate that the ground forces are not pushing hard. The orders to push hard have stopped.
shadowbanned is correct. The Russian command is full of traitors.
Posted by: preposterous | Mar 13 2024 21:39 utc | 88
I just heard from a close friend from Donetsk whose Russian fiancee had volunteered in August of 2022 that he was killed on the front line in early February but that the bodies of him and his comrades were in a contested area, and had not been recovered in four weeks. The victory in Avdeevka has come at a price, as victory always does. The ongoing US support for Ukraine is destroying an entire generation of Ukrainians and not a few Russians. My friend Alexander died fighting for the right reasons. It is a shame that good men like him must die while Victoria Nuland gets to retire. The most frustrating thing about this war is the political inability to take the war to the war mongers themselves and make them feel the pain they have inflicted.
Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Mar 13 2024 21:41 utc | 89
Ukrainian artillery losses seem to be increasing, now averaging around 10 a day. This will probably be a bigger factor in their defeat than shell shortages. How much more artillery do they have left?
Posted by: HH | Mar 13 2024 21:42 utc | 90
Posted by: DR - Montreal | Mar 13 2024 21:26 utc | 87
I recommend reading this article. Scroll down the article till you see the 'war scenarios'. The article was written in November 2022, but is still pretty visionary till today.
The second scenario is US enabling Ukraine to use nukes on Russian troops. Nato media will immediately present that as Russia using nukes on Ukrainian troops. Note this scenario also includes that US will give Ukraine miniature nukes and they will place them in various places inside Russia and Ukraine.
US will then announce that it will change its nuclear posture to enable it to use nukes to resolve conflicts around the world, due to supposedly Russia now having set the precedent.
US will threaten Syria with nukes unless Assad steps down.
US will threaten Houthis with nukes.
US will threaten Iran and Africa with nukes.
The third scenario is that a US nuclear false flag in Ukraine or Russia will be one of the actual hidden red lines, and Russia will launch a full nuclear strike on all Nato decision making centers.
https://cirno.substack.com/p/russia-will-not-use-nuclear-weapons
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2024 21:46 utc | 91
The result was 30M dead Russians
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 13 2024 16:27 utc | 7
The numbers just keep going up. Stalin said 5, Khruschev said 20, under Putin it was 27 and now we get 30 - and thats just Russians! Never is any proof brought forward. I suspect Joe was closest
Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Mar 13 2024 21:46 utc | 92
Feral Finster @ 71
Don't kid yourself. USD and UST prices are not showing anything resembling distress.
They never show distress, that's how the inside money gets out, and why the crashes are always such a "surprise".
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2024 21:46 utc | 93
@ Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Mar 13 2024 19:13 utc | 40
You wrote:
"Incidentally, the threat of the use of nuclear weapons has been made clear by Putin."
It is the Americans who openly broached the prospect that nuclear weapons might be used in Ukraine. Biden spoke about this very early in the conflict. Putin has been careful in his remarks to avoid direct reference to nuclear weapons.
Posted by: Clever Dog | Mar 13 2024 21:49 utc | 94
Posted by: spudski | Mar 13 2024 19:42 utc | 49
They are made in the Czech republic and "assembled" in Ukraine according to some Russian sources.
Posted by: Boo | Mar 13 2024 21:51 utc | 95
@ shadowbanned | any post | any thread | every time |
P.S. It is quite possible nukes have been in Ukraine for a while and that is why Putin is being so passive. But why does he think things will improve if he just keeps ignoring the problem?
No it is not possible. All nukes have been returned from Ukraine and decommissioned. Some nuclear materiel they tried to smuggle out of Ukraine via the Baltics, ended up on the bottom of the sea, with the MS Estonia sinking. Scott Ritter was not the only UN inspector on Russian nukes in the world.
The Problem, as you call it, is not the granular tactical detail and an attempt in imitating barbaric behavior of the West, but it is a deed allowed to unify the nation and secure faith in Russian leadership. How do you show that there is a danger for Russia than by allowing for all to see what the enemy really is.
This stops now anyway. Measured will be taken.
And probably switches very soon in Defensive Military Action or whatever slogan they will come up with - just not to proclaim the war, as this swiftly changes everything and we in Europe will urgently have to scramble to prevent EU wide militarization and mobilization.
So far farmers are leading the pack.
So no nukes, and do not worry about Russia, shade.
Posted by: whirlX | Mar 13 2024 21:53 utc | 96
"Putin, Lavrov, and Medvedev have all stated in public that Nuclear was possible if the US and / or NATO puts boots on the ground in Russia or Ukraine." -Ed | Mar 13 2024 16:47 utc | 15
No, they have never said that.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Mar 13 2024 21:54 utc | 97
Remember—Russia would be a German colony right now if USA hadn’t saved their sorry asses from Hitler in WWII.
Posted by: Freedom Warriors | Mar 13 2024 19:16 utc | 41
The successful 70-year campaign to convince people the USA and not the USSR beat Hitler
Posted by: Passerby | Mar 13 2024 21:59 utc | 98
Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Mar 13 2024 21:46 utc | 93
According to the the US National WWII museum website, looks like Putin was closest.
Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 13 2024 21:59 utc | 99
unimperator @ 92
Not sure I agree with all that but the "easiest" place to use nukes would be the middle east, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, the Golden Billion are indoctrinated into seeing arabs and muslims as unreasonable, recalcitrant, irreconcilable violent subhumans, the vast majority would approach nuking of Yemen or Syria the same as they are presently approaching the genocide of Gaza and the West Bank, "it's terrible but they brought it on themselves, in the end it's better this way". As for the RoW the USA will hope they got the message.
Oh, and nobody gives much of a shit that USA already used nukes in Japan, least of all the Japanese. All you need to know. 10-9-8-7-6...
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2024 22:01 utc | 100
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Now there's reports of massive fires at industrial sites in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Ukraine is doing all this while shelling Russian held territory as it waits for a 're-up' in funds and weapons from the US.
Posted by: bored | Mar 13 2024 16:04 utc | 1