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March 13, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-078
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Now there’s reports of massive fires at industrial sites in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Ukraine is doing all this while shelling Russian held territory as it waits for a ‘re-up’ in funds and weapons from the US.
Posted by: bored | Mar 13 2024 16:04 utc | 1
Latest Putin interview says all US/NATO boots in Ukraine will be crushed as invaders of Russian soil.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240313/what-message-is-putin-sending-the-west-in-his-interview-1117298958.html
Posted by: Surferket | Mar 13 2024 16:08 utc | 2
^ Here it is on Rumble:
https://rumble.com/v4iyc3l-putin-gives-interview-to-russian-media.html
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2024 16:13 utc | 3
Here’s an hour and a half of Medvedev, with ENG subs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AGgfxBuAGc
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2024 16:16 utc | 4
Now there’s reports of massive fires at industrial sites in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Ukraine is doing all this while shelling Russian held territory as it waits for a ‘re-up’ in funds and weapons from the US.
Posted by: bored | Mar 13 2024 16:04 utc | 1
Yes, the FT has been pushing me a story the last few days of Ukronazis destroying a Russian oil refinery. Any reliable barfly have the details or do I have to wait for Simplicius?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 13 2024 16:21 utc | 5
@Posted by: Surferket | Mar 13 2024 16:08 utc | 2
Yep, delivering a reality check to Macron et. al. I love how he also recently likened Western elites to vampires who have been sucking the life out of the non-West, as well as many of their own citizens, for 500 years. His rhetoric is certainly escalating and showing a complete disregard from the West, a very different Putin from the 2001 model; and even the 2008 model. He is doing well to place himself, and China, as leaders of the journey of freedom for the Other 7 Billion from Western vampiric dominance.
He has also been very direct about negotiations, making the point that they will not be allowed to be used as a pause that refreshes the Ukrainian army. Sounds like he learnt from the withdrawal from around Kiev and this time the fighting will continue until an agreement is signed; if any such thing ever takes place.
“By Their Deeds” on X also mentioned that the Russian jamming capabilities, as well as the targeting of drone operators, has severely reduced the effectiveness of Ukrainian drones on the battlefield. While Russia’s effective use of drones is escalating. Now Ukraine has even lost any advantage they had in this area.
The Honeymoon is Over: Ukraine’s Drone Warriors Face Facts
For months now I’ve been watching the number of drone videos produced by the Ukrainian PR corp (not a real unit) dwindle. What I thought at first might merely be an operational pause turned into a major operation in Avdeevka. Reduced activity by Ukrainian s continued. Then, what I thought was a reduction based on limited forces emerged as a pattern across the entire line of contact.
It’s not that Ukraine has less drones, though it’s likely many of their drone operators have become casualties. Ukraine’s problem is that Russian Electronic Warfare has diminshed Ukraine’s ability to successfully carry out drone strikes. Today, the New York Times confirms my suspicions.
Interviews with Ukrainian soldiers, commanders and military analysts say that Russia’s jamming capabilities are straining Ukraine’s limited supplies of off-the-shelf drones and threatening to sideline a key component of Ukraine’s arsenal as the Kremlin mass produces its own fleet of drones.
“For a while, the Ukrainians enjoyed a honeymoon period…” Now, Russia’s coordination of improved EW and their UAVs has allowed them to jam Ukrainian drones without jamming their own. This has given Russia the upper hand in the drone wars. “There is nothing like that on the Ukrainian side,” said one Ukrainian drone operator.
To add insult to injury, Russian troops have been weaponizing the weather. They’re now using foggy and rainy conditions to conduct their assaults. Ukraine’s artillery has been hamstrung by the West’s shortage of artillery and MRLS ammuntion. The New York Times notes that drones are a poor substitute for artillery as they do not blanket large areas.
In addition, looks like Pervomaiske may fall within the next few days.
My other suggesting for Putin if he’d take my phone calls is that he needs to double down on his Treaty proposal to the Europeans … and go hard this time.
Spell it out that Russian state considers the NATO organization as an unacceptable direct national security threat to Russia, and see it as a belligerent aggressive entity. That Russia is open to mutual bilateral discussion with any European nation on the basis they are willing to quit that organization and commit to mutual security arrangements with Russia.
Only then will Russia reevaluate future economic and trade ties with them. Until then they are all persona non grata. All NATO members are now considered openly hostile enemies of Russia.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 13 2024 15:45 utc | 441
See, there is a tiny bit of a problem with this that I have pointed out many times, but most people here still don’t quite grasp, and neither does the Kremlin apparently.
And it is that the Europeans are genuine Russophobes.
Why is that so hard to understand? You have two groups of people who post here:
1) Americans, who, by virtue of being Americans and having grown up in the US cultural context, tend to see everything transactionally, i.e. if the rational course of action is to make a deal, then we make a deal. These people have a hard time understanding irrational deeply ingrained generational hatred.
2) Europeans. Who are not Russophobic themselves (the ones posting here), but because they are Europeans, it is hard for them to see their own tribe as the bad guys.
Then you have group 3), which is the people in the Kremlin and a sizable fraction of Russian society, who grew up seeing the West as this paradise on Earth (which it never was) and are too old and deluded to fully do away with these sentimental attachments. Putin is the embodiment of it.
Thus the stubborn insistence on trying to make a deal, and the continued inability to understand why there cannot be one.
Note that you can understand European Russophobia to an extent. Remember that the continent has undergone several waves of total or near-total population replacement, and those have historically come either from the the Middle East through the Balkans, or from the Eastern European plane, but the last time they came from the Balkans all the way to Western Europe was several millennia B.C. (the Ottomans never made it past Pannonia), and everyone has forgotten it. Since then we’ve had the Indo-Europeans invading and wiping out nearly all of the old Europeans (Basques and Sardinians being the only survivors), then there was the period of migrations in late antiquity (first the Germanic barbarians, then the Huns and many others), which put an end to Rome and resulted in several centuries of misery, then there were the Mongolians in the 13th and 14th centuries, who were barely stopped. So there is a natural fear of the East. It is deeply ingrained on a different level too — in Europe the climate goes from warmer to colder not from south to north, but southwest to northeast. So every year for centuries the cold weather came from the direction of Russia, and in the past it was never a certain thing whether any given person would survive the winter. You can see how that association leaves an impact on people’s collective psyche.
But then there are two other factors. First, Russia is Orthodox, Europe is Catholic. That has never been forgiven, and remember that the West in the early 15th century thought they had gotten rid of the Orthodox for good once Serbia and Bulgaria fell to the Ottomans, but just at that moment Moscow began consolidating the Russian lands and carried the torch forward.
And then the the most recent (as in, since the late 17th century or so) and most important Russophobia trigger, which is that Russia holds vast riches and Europe wants to appropriate them. But Russia was the only region in the world that successfully resisted colonization and subjugation, and with raw military power too, not factors like all the diseases that prevented Europeans from doing settler colonialism in equatorial Africa. Europeans tried repeatedly to conquer Russia, but we know how that ended every time — with Russians camping in Stockholm, Warsaw, Berlin and Paris.
That has also been neither forgiven nor forgotten.
The likes of Baerbok and Strack-Zimmermann are not spewing venom in the direction of Moscow just because they are WEF puppets. There is the memory of the 1940s there and a thirst for revenge. And that is shared by much of the population, let nobody fool themselves. Not by everyone, but by a very substantial fraction.
Also notice, very importantly, how things have escalated over the centuries.
Wars between Russian and Poland and Sweden in the 17th and 18th century? Mostly regular stuff for the time.
Napoleon in the early 19th? Moscow ended up burned down, then the Tsar was in Paris. But nothing much happened to France really.
But then WWI was mechanized slaughter, on the Eastern Front too (mostly forgotten because Russians themselves don’t like to remember that part of their history).
And in WWII Europeans (it wasn’t just the Germans) invaded with outright genocidal intent. The result was 30M dead Russians, and on the other side complete ethnic cleansing of northeast Germany and partition of the rest.
That is a very unpleasant trajectory, as with each round hatred builds up exponentially.
The rational course for Russia is to threaten the Europeans sufficiently so that they abandon any ideas they might have for another attempt at Operation Barbarossa, but to in the same time completely forget about making deals with them and to follow its own path.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 13 2024 16:27 utc | 7
The Ukrainians have the knowledge on how to build A bomb. Soon, they can create a warhead and put it on one of the long range drones and attack. The West would deny any connection to that event.
I think this is Shadoiwbannedis talking about. Nobody is afraid of Russia any more and the chance for nuclear war is higher.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 16:28 utc | 8
Latest Putin interview says all US/NATO boots in Ukraine will be crushed as invaders of Russian soil.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240313/what-message-is-putin-sending-the-west-in-his-interview-1117298958.html
Posted by: Surferket | Mar 13 2024 16:08 utc | 2
*Yawn* Talk is cheap. Speaking of talk:
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/104192
“Macron will make an urgent address to the French nation tomorrow on the war in Ukraine
Earlier, the country’s parliament approved the French president’s strategy towards Ukraine and supported the bilateral security agreement signed by Macron and Zelenskyy.
📰 Le Monde”
No, it won’t be popular. Macron doesn’t care, and germany will be forced to go along.
WWIII is coming.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Mar 13 2024 16:31 utc | 9
Now there’s reports of massive fires at industrial sites in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Ukraine is doing all this while shelling Russian held territory as it waits for a ‘re-up’ in funds and weapons from the US.
Posted by: bored | Mar 13 2024 16:04 utc | 1
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Or is this a US/CIA operation? I would refer you to the US/CIA proxy war in Afghanistan 1980’s.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 13 2024 16:33 utc | 10
The Ukrainians have the knowledge on how to build A bomb. Soon, they can create a warhead and put it on one of the long range drones and attack. The West would deny any connection to that event.
I think this is Shadoiwbannedis talking about. Nobody is afraid of Russia any more and the chance for nuclear war is higher.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 16:28 utc | 8
Nobody is certain Ukrainians even returned all their warheads to Russia back in the days. But it doesn’t even matter — they can always get them from the US.
Then the question is about delivery systems.
P.S. It is quite possible nukes have been in Ukraine for a while and that is why Putin is being so passive. But why does he think things will improve if he just keeps ignoring the problem?
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 13 2024 16:34 utc | 11
You would think that thread spammer shadowbarbarian, if they were honest brokers here, would have already brought Putin’s recent words here and told us where they are weak or wrong.
From Reuters
Putin warns the West: Russia is ready for nuclear war
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2024 16:36 utc | 12
In case of Ukro nuclear tactical attack, The West can even deny that here was a nuclear attack. The population in EU/USA is totally brainwashed and 95% trust MSM.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 16:39 utc | 13
I would suggest our guest B to create a discussion ‘Not on Ukraine but on why Putin or anyone else in the world should go nuclear’
Posted by: Mario | Mar 13 2024 16:45 utc | 14
Someone said: The rational course for Russia is to threaten the Europeans sufficiently so that they abandon any ideas they might have for another attempt at Operation Barbarossa, but to in the same time completely forget about making deals with them and to follow its own path.
But Putin, Lavrov, and Medvedev have all stated in public that Nuclear was possible if the US and / or NATO puts boots on the ground in Russia or Ukraine. Someone wants to beat a dead horse to death. It is very boring.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 13 2024 16:47 utc | 15
Posted by: Mario | Mar 13 2024 16:45 utc | 14
Maybe have a thread for Escapees of the Lunatic Asylum
With padded walls, they can repeated ad nauseum their rankings about nuclear annihilation or tell each other what’s wrong with Russian MoD that is steadily taking apart Ukraine and NATO simultaneously, or what the problem with Putin is, “but if only I could speak to him on the phone I could put him right”
Lunatic Thread
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Mar 13 2024 16:55 utc | 16
@shadowbanned
These recent incursions are the penultimate stings of the bandereite-nazi wasps, guided by nato intelligence, in Nuland’s hive – designed to damage public opinion on the eve of Russia’s presidential election – and to distract attention from the inevitable collapse of their exhausted forces on the Eastern front line – and globally a PR stunt to deceive western publics that the nazis are taking the fight to Russia – and that they simply needs more guns an dollars to end up smelling like roses.
Are they causing some damage – yes – but minor in the overall scheme of things – and hoping that RF will do something stupid such as carpet bombing Kiev or Kharkov etc. RF leadership is not stupid.
that said, ta for updates, but glad that you are not in control of RF forces as you would certainly do something stupid and start WWWFINAL.
As for Russophobic Europeans – they are basically fu€ked economically and insipid militarily – due to their slave-master relation with the rabidly russophobic neocons in the US – and now they know it – the poor dears. Also terrified that their master is raising the white flag around here and moving to their more recent China syndrome strategy while following the Zionists in their shit-show genocide, and who control US strategy in West Asia. When the US aircraft in the eastern med bomb Hezbollah to come to the aid of overstretched Zionists then Iran and not Ukraine will be the focus. This is the big upcoming decision time for RF – not Kiev – as multipolarity at stake.
RF will simply grind-on until Kharkov and Odessa are back in their historic homeland in Russian Civilization. Chill – all will be well! Look at the Big Picture. War is messy.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2024 17:00 utc | 17
Nukes don’t just “sit around”…They deteriorate and need skilled maintenance…I see no evidence that the Ukraine is engaged in such maintenance, or is even capable of it..And I’m quite sure that the intelligence services would know of such assets and any maintenance activities….
But any use of tactical nukes in the Ukraine would touch off retaliation against European capitols and possibly all out WWIII…
Posted by: pyrrhus | Mar 13 2024 17:02 utc | 18
NATO Exercises
There are four NATO exercises currently underway:
Steadfast Defender 2024;
Quadriga 2024;
Dragon-24: and
Nordic Response 2024.
They appear to be undertaken in a overall coordinated effort.
Does anyone have a source that is tracking the disposition and movements of the land, naval and air forces, and the equipment and personnel involved?
Posted by: Jerr | Mar 13 2024 17:03 utc | 19
The Ukrainians have the knowledge on how to build A bomb. Soon, they can create a warhead and put it on one of the long range drones and attack. The West would deny any connection to that event.
I think this is Shadoiwbannedis talking about. Nobody is afraid of Russia any more and the chance for nuclear war is higher.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 16:28 utc | 8
Are you sure you weren’t an intern in the US state Dept circa 2001? Because this fear mongering sound suspiciously like the same paranoid message that we heard coming out in the USA in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. All that managed to do is allow the NSA to bug our phones and make air travel a Kafkaesque hell.
If the Ukrainians have the ability to make a nuclear device they had it long before the Russian SMO began. Building a device is hard enough but miniturizing one to fit into a drone is a couple of orders of magnitude harder. There are only a few nations on earth with the ability to do that … you don’t machine plutonium into a perfect sphere in a garage workshop.
If you want to settle arguments with your fists you can’t be afraid of a bloody nose. These drone attacks on Russia aren’t body blows … they are rather weak jabs. All they can do is provoke a reaction. The timing of these attacks suggests their objective is to disrupt turnout for the Russian election and make Russians feel unsafe ahead of the Russian election not provoke a nuclear war. Nobody wants a nuclear war with Russia … except maybe a few individuals posting on this board. It doesn’t benefit the USA, it doesn’t benefit the EU and it doesn’t benefit Ukraine.
What they do want is the fear of nuclear war and worldwide condemnation of Russia as a nuclear warmonger which some useful idiots are trying very hard to cultivate.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 13 2024 17:03 utc | 20
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 16:28 utc | 8
This math does not work anymore. US is actively disengaging from the possibility of going full nuclear if Russia drops a nuke on NATO headquarters or London/Paris IN RESPONDING to the ukros dropping a nuke or a dirty bomb on Russia. It’s only fair to punish the real perps, innit?
Posted by: Boo | Mar 13 2024 17:04 utc | 21
Le Petit Peugeot making lots of noise these days.
Things must be dire in Kiyv
Posted by: Comandante | Mar 13 2024 17:07 utc | 22
Why threaten the use of nuclear power? Simple, at the moment there are 50 or 60 states with nuclear power plants that produce depleted uranium. If we want, we can introduce a significant quantity of radioactive material into any type of missile, and when it explodes in the air or on the ground we can banish a huge surface area of territory. . The precedents in Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan are there for all to see.
Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Mar 13 2024 17:08 utc | 23
Even if people have forgotten, Putin, Lavrov, Medvedev etc… had drawn up “red lines” which should not be crossed, under penalty of very serious consequences for the West. First it was sending the Abrahms, then the Patriot systems, then the F16s, then the medium-range missiles. And of course and above all the attacks on Russian soil. But the Westerners have crossed all those red lines and only yesterday they carried out 10 attacks on Russian soil, one of which was on an oil facility in Ryazan, i.e. 500 km inside Russian soil, the same distance as Moscow from the border. It means that Russian deterrence does not work, because during the Cold War, i.e. for almost 50 years, NO ONE EVER dreamed of carrying out military actions within the territory of the USSR or vice versa the Russians within the territory of the USA. Paul Craig Roberts appears to be right. He is the only one who for 18 months has been saying that Putin’s quote-unquote “wise” and tolerant attitude leads to continuous and growing provocations that could lead at a certain point to a nuclear war. While a very strong and violent response from the first moment would have been a deterrent.
Posted by: Cumino | Mar 13 2024 17:10 utc | 24
Greetings to all. Mentioning the confusing news of the day State-side; Victor Orban met with Trump, and Donald Tusk and Co. of Poland met with Biden at the big house. (Side note; Like most yanks I thought Tusk was actually Trump, because both have similar names;- or because my eyes glaze over at every mention of Poland in print) But just to set the facts in proper order: Poland is the bad guys and Hungary good guys,; *I mean, come on, man.* Those Hungarian guys wear funny hats and suits, just ask Putin, they look like performers, and Poland is the but-tend of every sophomoric quip this side of Chicago. So, I think it’s pretty dimple stupid, the Pope said to surrender, and these boys are just playing it out.
Posted by: Nothingburgers | Mar 13 2024 17:22 utc | 25
I l-l-love it when gays rant about Putin, their hate is so cute, they are just glowing!
And if gays are pearl-clutching, it proves once again that Putin is doing everything right.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Mar 13 2024 17:23 utc | 26
Posted to this thread because drone technology is relevant to the situation in Ukraine.
Jon Kraft has posted the next video in his radar tech series “Drone Tracking Radar”.
Part4: Chirp Synchronization ==> https://youtu.be/KBFYzVOuhmI
Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2024 17:25 utc | 27
Regarding America anonymously using nukes by way of Ukraine, afaik that can’t happen, as nuclear weapons when detonated give off a signature that betrays their origin.
The Russian led coalition is winning on the battlefield, and the AFU has felt compelled to deploy its reserves, and slug it out along the line of conflict, rather than retreat to behind its scandalously ill prepared next line of defense.
That is the real news, as it was yesterday, and will be tomorrow, and real journalists and pundits are following closely to see how Ukraine is bleeding out as it attempts to avoid a Russian breakthrough.
Away from the battlefield, and Ukraine itself, the other critical war related story is about the question of the ability and desire of the West to be able to go on feeding the insatiable gaping maw that is the Zelenskyy regime in Kiev.
Governments that declared Russia to be an existential threat are now hoisted on their own petard as the aid they send to Ukraine won’t change things, but it does leave them with a depleted looking military.
In America Biden has proposed a budget, and now it will be negotiated. Inevitably it will be said that there isn’t enough money for this, and there isn’t enough money for that. But baked into the budget will be billions and billions of dollars of aid for Ukraine and Israel, and those angered by the denial of funding to what they hold dear will draw the logical conclusion that Ukraine and Israel are held to be more important than they are.
As a side note, I see it as being the case, that for many, Ukraine is getting emotionally conflated with Israel, as is Netanyahu with Zelenskyy, and resentment for the one is getting carried over to the other.
Younger voters and lower information ones have scant affection for them, and they are going to be easily triggered by hearing of the vast sums they are scheduled to receive.
Representatives to the House are always up for reelection, and they are going to be sensitive about voting to send billions to a loser like Zelenskyy, and a monster like Netanyahu.
And now even a Senator like Lindsay Graham, the ultimate war monger, is hedging his terms in support of Ukraine, saying he’d only vote for loans, and he wants America’s southern border secured as a prerequisite to even that.
Saying he’d loan the money comes with the unspoken caveat, “if they can pay it back”. He left himself an out for later going back on sending funding.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 13 2024 17:25 utc | 28
🇷🇺🇺🇦 For the second day in a row the so-called. Ukraine is carrying out massive attacks on the border and rear regions of Russia. According to official information, over the past 24 hours, air defense units have destroyed more than 60 unmanned aerial vehicles.
▪️In Ryazan , the Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked two oil refining installations on the territory of the Ryazan Nefteproduct JSC refinery with Mugin-5 Pro drones. A fire broke out and two plant workers were injured.
▪️In the Leningrad region, a mobile group destroyed a drone on approach to the KINEF oil refinery . Over the past two days, this is the second attack on the Kirishi region .
▪️ The Rostov region was also attacked by drones. Electronic warfare systems suppressed three UAVs that fell onto the territory of the Novoshakhtinsky Oil Refinery . At the moment, all technological processes at the enterprise have been stopped.
▪️In Belgorod, one unmanned aerial vehicle crashed into an apartment building, and the second UAV fell into the river. In the Gubkinsky and Novooskolsky urban districts , Krasnensky and Prokhorovsky districts, several private houses, gas supply and power lines were damaged as a result of UAV attacks.
▪️Air defense systems destroyed 40 drones over the Voronezh region . Most of them were intercepted over Voronezh , where fragments of several devices fell onto the territory of the market. Apparently, the target of the raid was again the airfield in Buturlinovka and Voronezh.
▪️In the Bryansk region, air defense crews shot down eight drones. The same number were destroyed over the Kursk region when approaching the regional capital: there were no casualties or destruction on the ground.
Posted by: Down South | Mar 13 2024 17:34 utc | 29
Pervomayskoe falls, Krasnogorovka begins to fall along the chain and then the line Novomikhailovka-Paraskovievka-Konstantinovka.
The successful capture of Nevelskoye means that about three thousand dill holding the front near Pervomaisky will fall into the next pincer movement along the conventional line Nevelskoye – Peski-Vodyanoye.
Summarizing everything as a whole, we can state that the Donetsk liberation operation is developing strictly in accordance with the plan. The contours of this plan are already clearly visible: the defeat of the Donetsk 60 thousandth enemy group (in fact, in six months of fighting near Donetsk, dill have already suffered about 70 thousand losses), an assault on the Kurakhovo-Pokrovskoye line.
It is obvious that immediately after the defeat of dill near Donetsk, our big offensive in Zaporozhye will begin in three directions. Preparatory activities are, first of all, local battles for more advantageous positions for the offensive.
In general, the defeat of the Ukrainian Nazis on the Donetsk Bulge will be comparable in significance to the Battle of Kursk. After which all we have to do is finish off the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Actually, it is precisely this option that the European and American imperialists are trying to prevent when they threaten to send troops to Ukraine.
Posted by: Down South | Mar 13 2024 17:38 utc | 30
I think those ‘trolls’ here who desire to waste my time with their never-ending self-aggrandizing posts about red lines and total war are actually agent provocateurs. A definition is a person who induces others to be violent or commit an illegal act in order to incriminate them or discredit a cause. All this talk about nuclear war is designed to make the Moon appear to be a violent site frequented by extremists and get it banned in the West. Military Summary ALWAYS ends the clips with a disclaimer of war. Leonard (sorry, I’m American) should start eliminating the posters who call for nuclear war as a solution to conflicts between nations.
Posted by: Quid Me Vexari | Mar 13 2024 17:56 utc | 31
@shadowbanned
Just for you!
This Magnificent Russian Music Is Astonishing – Marvelous Youth Symphony Orchestra in Hi-Res [7 mins] – lovely …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ94Q4k3mZQ
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2024 18:00 utc | 32
“What they do want is the fear of nuclear war and worldwide condemnation of Russia as a nuclear warmonger which some useful idiots are trying very hard to cultivate.”
Posted by: HB_Norica 20
Succinct summation. In fact, your whole post was right on the money.
Posted by: arthurdecco | Mar 13 2024 18:02 utc | 33
In case of Ukro nuclear tactical attack, The West can even deny that here was a nuclear attack. The population in EU/USA is totally brainwashed and 95% trust MSM.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2024 16:39 utc | 13
They want you to believe they have such control.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 13 2024 18:09 utc | 34
. The precedents in Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan are there for all to see.
Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Mar 13 2024 17:08 utc | 23
Which terrorists did that?
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 13 2024 18:44 utc | 35
Russia has not intention to unleash a nuclear war against an adversary and or enemy.
Posted by: AI | Mar 13 2024 18:46 utc | 36
Posted by: Quid Me Vexari | Mar 13 2024 17:56 utc | 31
I totally agree with your call to b to ‘eliminate the posters who call for nuclear war as a solution to conflicts between nations”, even if they are not provocateurs and even if promoting nuclear war would not get the blog banned.
We should not tolerate calls for nuclear destruction under any pretense, least of all free speech.
Posted by: JB | Mar 13 2024 18:47 utc | 37
Making threats is always a bad tactic.
To issue a threat, and hope to have some credibility afterwards, one must be ready to follow through.
But threats, lies, subversion, and mind games are the way the West likes to operate.
That was Trump’s thing. Yell and scream and get red-faced until ultimately backing down when the moment of truth arrives.
Do that a couple of times, and the person issuing threats loses all credibility.
I have learned that it is better to always do the thing before speaking. Nothing needs to be said if you do what you want to do well.
No apology, no explanation.
Consistently perform your agenda and people will remove themselves from your path without confrontation or need of threats. No one wants to mess with the badass who always shows up, kicks ass, and walks away without shedding a tear.
That last bit is what the Russians are doing. All the West can do is talk, stage minor terror provocations, make threats, etc.
Russia keeps de-militarizing NATO, day in and day out.
China, India, and the OPEC nations see that and respect it.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 13 2024 18:50 utc | 38
@ shadowbanned, §7:
Speak for yourself, sw.
I´m a Briton living in Vienna.
I am not a Russophobe, if anything a Russophile since 2014.
And an Americophobe since 2003 when that war criminal, T. B´liar, began the destruction of the UK.
Posted by: John Marks | Mar 13 2024 18:59 utc | 39