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March 10, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-075
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Avtonom | Mar 11 2024 8:57 utc | 199 Posted by: Passerby | Mar 11 2024 9:11 utc | 201 Posted by: Avtonom | Mar 11 2024 8:57 utc | 199 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Mar 11 2024 9:12 utc | 202 This is a proxy war – so proxies would carry out any response Russia has in mind. Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 11 2024 9:14 utc | 203 Posted by: bevin | Mar 11 2024 1:27 utc | 150 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 11 2024 9:18 utc | 204 James M. | Mar 11 2024 3:26 utc | 167 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 11 2024 9:25 utc | 205 NATO Can Have Ukraine or the USA—Not Both Posted by: Passerby | Mar 11 2024 9:28 utc | 206 Latest Trumpy Bombshell, Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 11 2024 9:35 utc | 207 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 11 2024 9:25 utc | 206 Posted by: James M. | Mar 11 2024 9:37 utc | 208 I should add that identical to his western political masters, the troll posts so often because he is trying to push a narrative. His narrative is as lacking in objective reality as a Trump rally “I’m gonna secure the border like I didn’t do last time and let in a virus that killed over a million Americans” or Genocide Joe’s State of the Union nonsense “inflation keeps going down”. Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Mar 11 2024 9:39 utc | 209 It’s proxy in terms of it is not the US directly attacking Russia. That’s what proxy means – they use other allies if you will. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 11 2024 9:45 utc | 210 Trump, the shining nights of the corporate table, the sheeple. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 11 2024 9:52 utc | 211 How it will play exactly I have no idea though. Posted by: UWDude | Mar 11 2024 9:54 utc | 212 James M. | Mar 11 2024 9:37 utc | 209 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 11 2024 10:11 utc | 213 @ James M. | Mar 11 2024 9:37 utc | 209
That is simply not true. US do not hide what they do, they are intimately involved, and they are too full of themselves not to brag about it. Posted by: boneless | Mar 11 2024 10:37 utc | 214 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 11 2024 10:11 utc | 214 Posted by: James M. | Mar 11 2024 10:46 utc | 215 “I stand by my analysis. Reading up on stories by mid-level US military participants convinced me of the military part of the story. The political part is another story, well rehearsed.” Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 10 2024 23:02 utc | 107
These are his FACTS Posted by: ghiwen | Mar 11 2024 11:13 utc | 217 “What the Soviet Union allowed the “West” was enough rope to hang itself. ” James M. | Mar 11 2024 10:46 utc | 216 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 11 2024 11:25 utc | 219 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 11 2024 1:06 utc | 139 Posted by: Peter Williams | Mar 11 2024 11:28 utc | 220 “I continue to posit we are watching end game in Ukraine currently unless NATO steps in and I don’t see that happening….and if it does happen it may be the defining moment in the SMO.” NATO Can Have Ukraine or the USA—Not Both Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 11 2024 11:32 utc | 222
Watch the video: Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 11 2024 11:32 utc | 223 Right now NATO is not a convincing deterrent. IMHO, that is not the fault of the military. It is the result of political choices. In a way, the conditions needed to have a functional army do not align with the preferences of the current political class. Posted by: Passerby | Mar 11 2024 11:53 utc | 225 Posted by: Passerby | Mar 11 2024 11:53 utc | 226 Posted by: Mario | Mar 11 2024 12:46 utc | 226 Shure 800000 shells, if this is the batch for this year afu can use an astounding 2000 a day, RF is rumored to use 10000+ a day. Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 11 2024 12:48 utc | 227 Ukrainian attack force that was preparing to attack into Belgorod was spotted and then hit with Lancet drones, Iskanders and FABs. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 11 2024 12:50 utc | 228 “According to the statistics kept by our security forces, from February 2022 to the present, the losses of NATO countries are 121 officers and 96 sergeants. Posted by: chop | Mar 11 2024 12:55 utc | 229 It’s pretty obvious that you’ve never been to Russia if you believe that a Turkish takeover of Azerbaijan will cause the Turkic groups in Russia to press for independence. For a start there are three seperate groups of Tatars – Volga, Siberian and Crimean, and in no region are they a large majority of the population. Even in Tatarstan they have only a slight majority. Tatarstan joined the Russian Federation because they were surrounded by other regions of the Federation. Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 11 2024 13:03 utc | 230 Well we’ll it seems the secret army within the army adventurism to invade Russia through the forests using Badenovs irregulars got the all their shit bombed out of them from every orifice in the forests they tried to traverse- was it Cookie Nudemans surprise for Putin? Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 11 2024 13:03 utc | 231
https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1767174890073788501 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 11 2024 13:07 utc | 232 @Peter AU1 | Mar 11 2024 4:10 utc | 175 Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 11 2024 13:11 utc | 233 Posted by: ghiwen | Mar 11 2024 11:13 utc | 218 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 11 2024 13:16 utc | 234 Shadowbanned is interesting, he’s obviously intelligent and well informed, but he’s a communist which just by itself is a very unusual belief to hold in 2024. He’s also fixated on the nuclear thing, and more than anything it doesn’t make sense why he wastes his time posting here. Most of the regular “barflies” are certified idiots with 0.0000% influence in their home countries. SB is not an intelligence operation because first of all, why waste your time here on an incredibly marginal (it cannot be more marginal) comment section? Posted by: Chessmaster Z | Mar 11 2024 13:26 utc | 235 There is something weird in the attitude of Europeans in these conflict. This is not an existential issue for Europe or EU. But they pretend that it is. Those who pretend can never be really motivated. But maybe there are secret groups in EU/Europe to whom this is an existential war, only we do not know who they are. Posted by: vargas | Mar 11 2024 13:32 utc | 236 I can hear stuff cooking off (secondary detonations) in Khelmynsky videos, and the flash isn’t as bright/big as a nuke blast would produce, unless they’ve changed since I was little. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 11 2024 13:49 utc | 237 Posted by: vargas | Mar 11 2024 13:32 utc | 237 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 11 2024 13:52 utc | 238 If Shadowbanned was an intelligence operation he wouldn’t be a Covid and climate change affirmer (and a very strong one, beyond what the median educated westerner even is). He would have cartoon caricature beliefs in anti-masking and microchips inside the vaxx and Bilderberg (what the hell is that anyway lol?) that would make him a more typical western pro-Z dead-ender. As it is, his beliefs are internally consistent with a smart but marginalized young academic communist. Posted by: Chessmaster Z | Mar 11 2024 14:26 utc | 239 Posted by: shаdοwRAND Mar 11 2024 11:32 utc | 224 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Mar 11 2024 14:44 utc | 240 He is as hopeless, demented, hubristic and plain wrong as the western political class that he thinks that he bats for here. Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Mar 11 2024 14:49 utc | 241 I’m a new poster and I asked the on-topic question to Shadowbaned about Armenia. I think it’s on topic, and he gave an answer that was thoughtful and well written regardless of whether or not it’s accurate. Posted by: Afro | Mar 11 2024 14:51 utc | 242 @243 I go back and forth on whether SB has an ethnic connection to Russia. On the one hand he talks about regathering Russian lands and of Ukrainians being Russians so killing them is no accomplishment for Russia (on the latter I agree), but on the other hand he is an open communist and nationalism is pretty anathema to them. For whatever reason a lot of leftists still have a huge soft spot for Russia despite the country now being incredibly capitalist and Putin having a distinctly 1990s The Economist magazine Liberal aspect to his beliefs. Posted by: Chessmaster Z | Mar 11 2024 15:00 utc | 243 “Which begs the question what if anything is the Russian fleet, any surface Russian fleet, good for at this point?” Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 11 2024 15:10 utc | 244 231 – Idel Ural was a German project in WW2, and some “turned” Soviet POWs of Turkic origin wore patches with “Idel Ural” on them. Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 11 2024 15:18 utc | 245 Afro | Mar 11 2024 14:51 utc | 243
Yes, he is always very polite and not like a blind fanatic. Posted by: theo | Mar 11 2024 15:38 utc | 246 “Which begs the question what if anything is the Russian fleet, any surface Russian fleet, good for at this point?” vargas | Mar 11 2024 13:32 utc | 237 Posted by: Cynic | Mar 11 2024 15:41 utc | 248 “There is something weird in the attitude of Europeans in these conflict. This is not an existential issue for Europe or EU. But they pretend that it is. Those who pretend can never be really motivated. But maybe there are secret groups in EU/Europe to whom this is an existential war, only we do not know who they are.” Posted by: Simon | Mar 11 2024 15:45 utc | 249 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 11 2024 9:35 utc | 208 Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Mar 11 2024 15:45 utc | 250 Posted by: Chessmaster Z | Mar 11 2024 14:26 utc | 240 Posted by: Mario | Mar 11 2024 15:56 utc | 251 The Sadducean priestly aristocracy of the Temple-city between the cadastre census of Sulpicius Quirinus (ca. 6) and when Menahem beheaded the high priest (ca. 66) called “the people of the land”… “those damned people”. Posted by: Simon | Mar 11 2024 16:05 utc | 252 Shadow banned is just a hero for a narrative. Kind of like VK before. Posted by: SB | Mar 11 2024 16:09 utc | 253 It should only be a matter of time until he sings to the other board about why the USA and Israel should be dropping nukes on Hamas because they should remove netanyahoo immediately for being so delicate. But he chooses not to…… Being honest to myself it wouldn’t ever. Posted by: SB | Mar 11 2024 16:14 utc | 254 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGKWXnQMj7Q&t=15s Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 11 2024 16:49 utc | 255 NATO forces in 404 will be Kalibrated. Russians will pretend they can’t see an unit patch on a satellite photo. Here is you plausible deniability sir ! Would you like some wine with it ? Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 11 2024 17:04 utc | 256 @ Eighthman | Mar 11 2024 16:49 utc | 256 Posted by: malenkov | Mar 11 2024 17:07 utc | 257 Eighthman@256 Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 11 2024 17:19 utc | 258 I can hear stuff cooking off (secondary detonations) in Khelmynsky videos, and the flash isn’t as bright/big as a nuke blast would produce, unless they’ve changed since I was little. … Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 11 2024 17:19 utc | 259 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 11 2024 11:32 utc | 224
from the video description: Posted by: ghiwen | Mar 11 2024 17:38 utc | 260 Shadowtroll entertains the notion that a nuke has already been used quietly without making alarms all over the world going off. You know, the tech which had been there since 60s. Posted by: averros | Mar 11 2024 17:48 utc | 261 Reflecting back on the sinking of the Russian cruiser Moskova (commissioned 1983, cost estimated 750 million USD) and the British troubles with their $3b Prince of Wales aircraft carrier (commissioned 2017) that is unable to perform basic duties without propeller issues and fires, I think highlights the problems with large warships. They are expensive to build and maintain and are vulnerable to inexpensive weapons. The Moskova reportedly had old fire control systems that had not been upgraded when the boat underwent modernization in the 20 teens intended to keep her fit for service – perhaps due to costs and/or corruption. She had a relatively long service life, but in the end was inadequately prepared to handle the damage sustained- whether from accident, sabotage, or missile strikes. The British ship has no reasonable excuse not to be sea worthy. The Russian aircraft carrier also has suffered sea worthiness issues I believe. Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 11 2024 17:52 utc | 262 Beirut explosion could also be given as an example, but I suppose it was the result of a tactical nuke. As was probably the explosion of the AZF chemical plant in Toulouse in 2001. Posted by: scc | Mar 11 2024 17:59 utc | 263 How to explain the situation on universities. Even 20 years ago, not to.mention 50 years ago, Academia and universities were far more critical regarding the imperialism but now the educated are content capitalist servents. How has that happened? Posted by: vargas | Mar 11 2024 18:00 utc | 264 Averros. Posted by: Mario | Mar 11 2024 18:08 utc | 265 vargas | Mar 11 2024 18:00 utc | 265 Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 11 2024 18:32 utc | 266 Any comment on coup rumors? Also reported on Sputnik Posted by: jpc | Mar 11 2024 18:35 utc | 267 Regarding massive conventional weapons explosion, I found this on YouTube, dated 1965, 500 t TNT explosion test: https://youtu.be/hkoBwFYitlU?si=j4f_VcS44cqCJHOh Posted by: scc | Mar 11 2024 18:58 utc | 268
Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 11 2024 19:03 utc | 269 … and the British troubles with their $3b Prince of Wales aircraft carrier (commissioned 2017) that is unable to perform basic duties without propeller issues and fires, … The British ship has no reasonable excuse not to be sea worthy. … Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 11 2024 19:07 utc | 270 Someone figured it out. How is NATO going to get out of the Ukraine mess and save face? NATO is going to claim that they were able to “contain” Russia in Ukraine. And all is well. Posted by: Leroy | Mar 11 2024 19:23 utc | 271 … (uranium combustion) About 1000 kJ/mol Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 11 2024 19:25 utc | 272 Russia should be deploying FAB10000’s already Posted by: gT | Mar 11 2024 19:50 utc | 273 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 11 2024 17:19 utc | 260 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 11 2024 19:57 utc | 274 Not spectacular footage, just a long distance pan showing four smoke plumes already in the air. Interesting because it apparently shows that not only are small positions now being FABed but they are being spotted and then hit simultaneously rather than hitting one and having enemy forces relocate to compensate.
Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 11 2024 19:58 utc | 275 Posted by: gT | Mar 11 2024 19:50 utc | 274 Posted by: Mario | Mar 11 2024 20:00 utc | 276 The smo is no ww3, ww2 or ww1. They did not lie, it’s a little police action, and even something that simple was badly prepared. Anyway, the +500k natokazes were erased with little effort and without moving outside Donbass. Kiev is as good as new because it’s still smo, but no one promised that peace automatically comes after smo. Posted by: arthur brogard | Mar 11 2024 20:03 utc | 277 and he gave an answer that was thoughtful and well written regardless of whether or not it’s accurate. Posted by: UWDude | Mar 11 2024 20:22 utc | 278
Agree totally. SB is a genuine Branch Covidian fruitcake. Nobody would pay for his self defeating word output. Posted by: Drifter | Mar 11 2024 20:23 utc | 279 Re: Big Ships Posted by: Exile | Mar 11 2024 20:23 utc | 281 Could be wrong but seems to me that a widely used aircraft to launch FAB250 (SU 34?) can carry four at a time. For the larger bombs, only two at a time, which is why they are often seen going off in pairs. Posted by: Mike R | Mar 11 2024 20:30 utc | 282 Could be wrong but seems to me that a widely used aircraft to launch FAB250 (SU 34?) can carry four at a time. For the larger bombs, only two at a time, which is why they are often seen going off in pairs. Posted by: Mike R | Mar 11 2024 20:31 utc | 283 hopehely @ 137 Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 11 2024 20:43 utc | 284 Chief Nerd Posted by: Menz | Mar 11 2024 20:52 utc | 285 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 11 2024 11:32 utc | 224 Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 11 2024 20:52 utc | 286 Posted by: arthur brogard | Mar 11 2024 20:03 utc | 278 Posted by: rk | Mar 11 2024 20:56 utc | 287 Posted by: Mike R | Mar 11 2024 20:31 utc | 284 Posted by: Ilites | Mar 11 2024 21:11 utc | 288
is stoltenberg really this stupid? so in essence it should return to what it was before nato instigated the maidan putsh (unconstitutional per ukraines then constitution)? Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 11 2024 21:12 utc | 289 Posted by: Mario | Mar 11 2024 20:00 utc | 277 Posted by: Milites | Mar 11 2024 21:14 utc | 290 Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 11 2024 20:52 utc | 287 Posted by: Milites | Mar 11 2024 21:22 utc | 291
That’s 15 kt, same as Hiroshima, and it was an airburst too. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 11 2024 21:29 utc | 292 Posted by: Milites | Mar 11 2024 21:14 utc | 291 Posted by: Mario | Mar 11 2024 21:31 utc | 293 is this man a sick f*cking joke? Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 11 2024 21:33 utc | 294
That can be said about a lot of things. The overall Russian posture was purely defensive, except for the doomsday weapons that give it a degree of first-strike capability, but we are talking conventional war here. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 11 2024 21:36 utc | 295 Interesting discussion today about the Vietnam and the Ukraine comparison……… Posted by: Tobias Cole | Mar 11 2024 21:43 utc | 296 Posted by: Menz | Mar 11 2024 20:52 utc | 286 Posted by: Milites | Mar 11 2024 21:54 utc | 297 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 11 2024 21:36 utc | 296 Posted by: Milites | Mar 11 2024 22:05 utc | 298 That is simply not true. US do not hide what they do, they are intimately involved, and they are too full of themselves not to brag about it. Posted by: James M. | Mar 11 2024 22:14 utc | 299 Posted by: Tobias Cole | Mar 11 2024 21:43 utc | 297 Posted by: Milites | Mar 11 2024 22:14 utc | 300 |
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