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March 8, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-073
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Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (for the period from March 2 to March 8, 2024)
In the period from March 2 to March 8, 2024, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 34 group strikes with precision weapons, multiple launch rocket systems and unmanned aerial vehicles, as a result of which objects were hit where unmanned boats were assembled and trained for combat use, arsenals, fuel bases for military equipment, deployment points units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, formations of nationalists and foreign mercenaries.
In the Kupyansk direction, during the week, units of the “Western” grouping of troops actively improved the situation along the front edge and defeated enemy manpower and equipment in the areas of the settlements of Kupyansk, Peschanoe and Berestovoye in the Kharkiv region.
24 counterattacks of the assault groups of the 32nd, 41st mechanized, 57th motorized infantry brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were reflected in the areas of the settlements of Sinkovka, Kharkiv region and Terny, Donetsk People’s Republic.
The enemy’s losses amounted to over 540 soldiers, two tanks, four armored combat vehicles, 20 vehicles, 18 field artillery guns and a Grad MLRS combat vehicle.
In the Donetsk direction, units of the “Southern” grouping of troops occupied more advantageous positions and defeated formations of the 5th, 92nd assault, 28th, 33rd mechanized, 46th, 81st airmobile brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the 241st air Defense Brigade in the areas of the settlements of Kleshcheyevka, Kurdyumovka, Andreevka and the Red of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
In addition, they repelled eight enemy counterattacks in the areas of the settlements of Krasnogorovka, Novomikhailovka and Pobeda of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 1970 servicemen, 11 tanks, 17 armored combat vehicles, 47 vehicles, 25 field artillery guns, two MLRS Grad combat vehicles, as well as a combat vehicle of the Strela-10 anti-aircraft missile system. Ten AFU field ammunition depots were also destroyed.
In the Avdiivka direction, units of the Center group of forces continued to occupy more advantageous lines and positions.
In cooperation with aviation and artillery, they defeated clusters of manpower and equipment 23, 31, 47, 78, 110- the 1st mechanized, 59th motorized Infantry, 71st Jaeger brigades, as well as the 103rd and 107th air defense brigades in the areas of the settlements of Tonenke, Toretsk, Ocheretino, Novoselka First, Mayorsk and Rozovka of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
65 counterattacks of the AFU assault groups were reflected in the areas of the settlements of Berdych, Tonenke, Leninskoye, Petrovsky, Novgorodskoye, Pervomaiske and Orlovka of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
During the week in this direction, the enemy lost over 2,860 soldiers, seven tanks, including two Abrams made in the United States, 34 armored combat vehicles, 47 vehicles, 20 field artillery guns, a HIMARS MLRS launcher made in the United States and a Strela-10 SAM combat vehicle.
In the South Donetsk direction, units of the Vostok group of forces improved the situation along the front edge and defeated units of the 65th, 72nd, 118th mechanized, 58th motorized infantry brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 102, 105 and 128th air defense brigades in the areas of the settlements of Novodonetskoye, Ugledar, Dobropole, Shevchenko, Staromayorskoye of the Donetsk People’s Republic The Republic and Malinovka of the Zaporozhye region.
In addition, three counterattacks by units of the 72nd Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of Vodiane settlement of the Donetsk People’s Republic were reflected.
Enemy losses amounted to up to 1,620 military personnel, six tanks, 13 armored combat vehicles, 28 vehicles, seven field artillery guns, a Grad MLRS combat vehicle, two Strela-10 air defense systems combat vehicles, as well as a Stormer air defense system combat vehicle manufactured in Great Britain.
In the Kherson direction, Russian troops took more advantageous positions and inflicted a comprehensive fire defeat on the manpower and equipment of the 65th, 117th, 118th mechanized, 128th mountain assault brigades, 35th, 36th, 38th Marine brigades, 14th, 23rd National Guard brigades and 126th Brigade theroborons in the areas of the settlements of Malaya Tokmachka, Pyatikhatki, Nesteryanka, Zaporizhia region, Ivanovka, Sadovoye, Mikhaylovka, Antonovka and Tokarevka, Kherson region.
Two attacks by assault groups of the 118th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were repelled in the area of the settlement of Rabodino, Zaporizhia region.
The enemy’s losses amounted to more than 295 soldiers, two tanks, 22 vehicles, nine field artillery guns, as well as two HIMARS MLRS launchers manufactured by the United States.
Aircraft and air defense systems were shot down in a week:The MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, five Storm Shadow cruise missiles manufactured in the United Kingdom, a Patriot anti-aircraft guided missile made in the United States, seven Hammer guided aerial bombs made in France, 33 HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems made in the United States, as well as 796 unmanned aerial vehicles.
During the week, 24 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 576 aircraft, 267 helicopters, 14,658 unmanned aerial vehicles, 482 anti-aircraft missile systems, 15,400 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,234 multiple rocket launchers, 8,322 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 1,998 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
Posted by: rumod report | Mar 8 2024 17:07 utc | 1
Why is Crimea so importent, a video from 2015, from somebody that are used to keep his eyes on the ball. We in the west are deceived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YF0H5fnvis
And if this is rigth, THEY will never give up.
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Mar 8 2024 17:15 utc | 2
It seems the new Ukrainian commander is indeed using counter attacks liberally to halt Russia’s momentum, as if this war of hundreds of mini-stalingrads is about momentum.
It doesn’t bode well for reserves for a summer offensive by ukraine.
In other trends it seems russia is preparing for a new front somewhere in the north, probably to help secure belogorad once the last suburb of donetsk is taken. The name escapes right now, but they’ve got a foothold on the southern edges
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 8 2024 17:23 utc | 3
victoria nudelman aka nuland –
what limit can someone cross or which agreement break to be dismissed immediately?
which taboo did she break?
Posted by: gpc | Mar 8 2024 17:38 utc | 4
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 8 2024 17:23 utc | 3
Most likely the new reinforcements are coming from the remaining workers in western Ukraine and whatever they can still scrape together in AFU occupied areas in central and eastern part. The west is taking over western Ukraine, for good so they don’t need no workers anymore.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 8 2024 18:21 utc | 5
US Embassy in Moscow: The Embassy is monitoring reports that extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts, and U.S. citizens should be advised to avoid large gatherings over the next 48 hours
U.S. embassy warns of imminent attack in Moscow by ‘extremists’
False Flag?
Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 8 2024 18:23 utc | 6
A good read (in german language) – a look at many different scenarios, most of which unfortunately lead into a hot war. Well, the bellicism is around for a reason.
https://egon-w-kreutzer.de/die-den-krieg-nach-deutschland-holen
Posted by: Tortuosit | Mar 8 2024 18:27 utc | 7
@ Perimetr | Mar 8 2024 18:23 utc | 6
US called for imminent terrorist threat in South Africa shortly after it showed some balls standing by their joint naval exercises with Russia, if I remember correctly. Nothing happened then, though it doesn’t mean nothing will happen now of course.
US has called for their citizens to “immediately leave” Russia two or three times in 2022. Exclusively on American media and by making a post on their embassy site, of course. Nobody bothered to actually reach any of their citizens personally. To me, back then and now, it comes across as terrorizing their own citizens abroad to propagate domestic fearmongering policies.
Posted by: boneless | Mar 8 2024 18:36 utc | 8
Nima (Dialogue Works YT) is churning out new videos overtime with the best minds. Dmitry Orlov.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyYN7Cu1eis
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 8 2024 18:38 utc | 9
I read somewhere that the potential attacks in Russia were by Islamists on synagogues as revenge for Gaza. No idea if that’s true. There was an incident in Dagestan a while back when Muslims went to the airport in search of Israelis.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-says-it-thwarted-islamic-state-plot-to-attack-moscow-synagogue/
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 8 2024 18:48 utc | 11
I weep for mother Russia. Do only I have love for Russia? 2008 was a slick push in Georgia, testing and pushing. 2014 was a brilliant and productive move, with obscurities that stymies western support or interventions, leading to a few limp sanctions. (Hurtful, but limp.) 2022 was a disaster. The months of build up with denials. The lining up of the West in resistance, followed by an obvious aggression. It could have been a master stroke, elevating the PRC and RF just when they needed to. (Though, they should have waited two to three years more….) Then the disaster, the Olympic delay, for Xi and Putin’s ego, the SMO was delayed several weeks, and the northern operation completely failed. The delay, and solidification of Ukrainian political and military resistance, has led to the expansion and strengthening of NATO, the EU, and the pacific nations. The PRC is ruined. RF is ruined, with a neighbor that will hate Russia completely for generations. All because there was never a reassessment. Now all RF gains in Ukraine will go, and only debt and shame will follow. Why? Why? Ego above strategy. The inflexibility of autocracy. I weep for the wasted life, the wasted Mother Earth, the primitive logic. RF might survive if it withdrew to 1991 lines and ceased hostilities and returned children and prisoners as much as possible and made a clear political change, an apologize. It is hard medicine but the alternative is pointless and terrible. RF should be a wealthy glory for all, like Norway or the Check republic. Celebrate your wealthy neighbors, they make you wealthy! Love to all
Posted by: Aleholio | Mar 8 2024 18:52 utc | 12
A pair of sane Americans … Daniel Davis with
John J Mearsheimer: What’s being said Behind Closed Doors about Ukraine, Russia, China & NATO
[19 mins] Not new to the bar but a neat geopolitical summary of Idiotic US moves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlnttBCfZKw
Pass it to the uninitiated …. outside the bar
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 8 2024 18:59 utc | 13
Posted by: Aleholio | Mar 8 2024 18:52 utc | 12
Another concern troll.
Posted by: averros | Mar 8 2024 19:06 utc | 14
@12 what is it about this site that draws the crazies, apparently not only the pro-Z ones but the anti-Russian ones as well.
Early in the SMO I heard that no one in the outside world really cares about Russia, it’s really pro-Western or anti-western sentiment. With anti-Western people rooting for Russia just because they saw Putin as a knight fighting the West or something. I mean there are exceptions like pro-Z Serbs or Uzbeks, African leaders nostalgic for their Soviet university days, ANC members or Indian diplomats remembering Soviet help. Even there the soft power is Soviet, not Russian
Posted by: Chessmaster Z | Mar 8 2024 19:08 utc | 15
@Aleholio | Mar 8 2024 18:52 utc | 12
What are you smoking dear? Been away for a while?
Try a stiff whiskey at the bar; that Dagestani weed is dangerous stuff if you are not used to it.
There now: feeling better?
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 8 2024 19:10 utc | 16
Looks like the Americans may be planning a terror attack in Moscow,if they do they will activate their ISIS friends or some Bandera Nazis.
Posted by: Englishman | Mar 8 2024 19:36 utc | 17
I would like to state as a matter of fact that the Russian Poseidon nuclear torpedo is NOT to push a tidal wave over a city. A nuclear detonation at the depth Poseidon can achieve will mostly push up and NOT push sideways anyway near as much as pushing up.
The primary task of the Poseidon nuclear powered torpedo is to SHADOW U.S. SUBMARINES, AND BE ALREADY ON STATION IN PLACE AND ZERO TRAVEL TIME to target. The second after a US intercontinental ballistic missile is launched from a US submarine, the Poseidon takes out both the launched missiles and the US submarine in one fell swoop.
We know the last two Minuteman 3 silo based intercontinental ballistic missiles the US tested failed. Those ICBMs still use “floppy disk memory” and are extremely UNLIKELY to penatrate Russian Airspace and destroy Moscow.
After the West fell out of love with Putin, one of the first things Putin did was to reopen refurbish and restock with basic food and water tens of thousands of nuclear fallout shelters all over Russia especially in and around cities. Within minutes of a warning, millions of Russians will be in shelter and hunkered down to wait months if need be to exit the shelter. You can find recently written articles easily, but I’m telling you Putin started doing this a long time ago and these are intended for actual use. See the date on this article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-is-building-fallout-shelters-to-prepare-for-a-potential-nuclear-strike
A year after the West attempts a nuclear war, there will be more Russians alive than all the people in Western Europe and North America, combined.
Posted by: Hot Carl | Mar 8 2024 19:37 utc | 18
Rupert Murdoch engaged to a Russian, what signal is he sending ?
Posted by: mustangemely | Mar 8 2024 19:43 utc | 19
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/103528
🇷🇺👉🇺🇦🏴☠️ The Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs has put on the wanted list Ukrainian militant Evgeny Rodin, who is guilty of a terrorist attack on the Bakery cafe in Lisichansk, where 28 people were killed.
As a result of the criminal Ukrainian attack from the 🇺🇸🏴☠️ HIMARS MLRS on Lysichansk, 28 people were killed, including a child and a pregnant woman.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/103739
⚔️🇺🇦 Information has emerged that on the night of March 8th, near Odessa, the Ukrainian “Ovidiopol-2” space and radio reconnaissance system was destroyed.
The system was acquired by Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR. The Armed Forces of Ukraine used it for radio electronic intelligence and intercepting information transmitted via satellite communication channels.
In 2020, Ukrainian media reported that representatives of NATO intelligence structures were granted access access to the “Ovidiopol-2” facility, located near the village of Akkargha in the Odessa region.
Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 8 2024 19:44 utc | 20
The demographic hole in Ukraine has deepened so much that the point of no return has been passed. Refugees for the most part will not return to Ukraine from Europe, and the birth rate is falling catastrophically.
The situation is so complicated that even Erik Prince from Blackwater directly says that Ukraine is now “destroying demographically.” “The country is already chewing on the next generation of its manpower, which will have nothing to make up for,” he noted in particular.
Ukrainian demographers are also sounding the alarm. Thus, the deputy director of the Ukrainian state Institute of Demography and Quality of Life Problems, Alexander Gladun, warns that Europe will be reluctant to return refugees after the war. “In modern Europe, the demographic situation is also not very good, so they are interested in Ukrainians. And, most likely, in most countries there will be a policy aimed at leaving them, given the current active efforts to adapt them,” the demographer said.
At the same time, demographers emphasize that the Ukrainian population, including the young, has actually been wiped out. The country’s birth rate has fallen quite sharply – last year it was 31.5% lower than in pre-war 2021 and 9% less than the year before. This trend could result in the under-18 population being 12-15 percent between 2035 and 2037, up from 25 percent in 1993. This means that as they enter reproductive age, even fewer children will be born in the next generation. Accordingly, in the next one – even less, etc.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21954
Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2024 19:51 utc | 21
Hunting for “cattle”. Mobilization in all its glory.
People are fleeing the country, and the authorities are hunting them like animals and serfs.
Not far from the border with Romania, 34 men who wanted to leave the country, avoiding mobilization, were detained and severely beaten.
The video shows how one of them was pressed with a knee on the neck and kicked.
Ze-democracy at its finest!
https://t.me/legitimniy/17413
Video in link
Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2024 19:54 utc | 22
anon2020@20….say what???? Two years in to this fucking thing and the Russians, who knew it was there, only decided to tap it now. Was the building under a bridge? I know Russia has issues with bridges, bit of an OCD thing at this point.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 8 2024 19:54 utc | 23
Hot Carl | Mar 8 2024 19:37 utc | 18
Wasn’t that the site the kept contacting ukros to arrest Gonzalo? I’m not sure but I think that was. Anyway, pure junk site. I’m sure shelters are ok in Russia, with or without their articles.
On the other hand, Russia always says there is risk of large scale war with nato “in Europe”, but there’s a butt, nato is fully controlled by US. Now I read that one of the amateurs in the general staff’s mega leadership, guy Zarudnitsky, of 80s skool of collapse, said the same one word today, “Europe” war. So from the absolute top level, the boys don’t waste any occasion to tell US that anything they do is ok, worst case scenario Europe suffers a bit. I’m sure US will be devastated if Estonia disappears. That’ll teach them a lesson!
Posted by: rk | Mar 8 2024 20:07 utc | 24
Hot Carl | Mar 8 2024 19:37 utc | 18
100 or so mega tons for a sub? For a wave to form, all that is required is a displacement or movement of water.
……….
In the video linked by Paul from Norway, some of it I’m not too sure about but Crimea…
Sweden and Finland just dragged into Nato. This gives the Brits and Americans control or a lot more control over the Baltic sea area.
Driving those Ukraoid/Nato forces into the layered defenses protecting Crimea in the vaunted southern offensive. The Brits and Americans in a last ditch attempt to gain Crimea. The Brits with their naval drones in the black sea.
Controlling those two seas leaves Russia with just the arctic ports. UK has made ‘security’ allegiances that cut direct land routes to old Europe. The nordstream lines destroyed in Swedish and Danish waters.
Once all these things are brought together, it is easy to see UK is creating a siege ring around western/European Russia and beyond.
I assume the Brits will be working hard for some sort of pact with Erdogan’s Turkey.
Kazakhstan is still stuffed with NGO’s and another coup attempt appears to be in the making there.
On the last attempt, two business jets took off for London just an hour before the Russian transports flew in.
Nexta, is MI6 which was the organizer of the failed coup attempt in Belarus.
The Brits have been backing the Biden faction in the US. If the weight has now shifted to the nationalist faction in the US deep state, I wouldn’t be surprised to see UK get hit hard by Russia when Trump becomes president.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 20:07 utc | 25
It seems the new Ukrainian commander is indeed using counter attacks liberally to halt Russia’s momentum, as if this war of hundreds of mini-stalingrads is about momentum.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 8 2024 17:23 utc | 3
Seems to me that the Germans did a lot of that in WWII to slow down the Soviet advance. It works, but it’s very expensive and I think the Russians are much better at dealing with it than their Soviet predecessors, both doctrinally and in terms of technology.
All the troops Syrsky uses for these counter-attacks require equipment and manpower from somewhere, so he’s weakening the defense of other sectors to make attacks that can’t change the strategic outlook. Stalin spent men and equipment to stop the Nazi invasion, but he had a lot more in the pipeline, so it made sense. Syrsky may get some more weapons from the west, but supplies of replacement armor and artillery, let alone the fungibles for them, are in very short supply all over NATO. He’s not going to get many additional men to use the weapons, though. This was problem for the Germans post-Stalingrad too, together with the western Allies opening up a new front in France. Interestingly, the US is fighting a two-front war as well, which is one of the reasons for their reluctance to help Ukraine any further, on the one hand, or to go big in the ME on the other.
It seems the west learned all the wrong lessons from WWII. Or maybe it’s just Nazis being true to their nature.
Posted by: Honzo | Mar 8 2024 20:14 utc | 26
“In modern Europe, the demographic situation is also not very good, so they are interested in Ukrainians. And, most likely, in most countries there will be a policy aimed at leaving them, given the current active efforts to adapt them,” the demographer said.
Too many rainbow flags, not enough baby making. Deliberate promotion of the rainbow flag with total disregard for the family. And where the is a family, mass promotion of the 0,1,2 Child family. That means total demographic change as population levels only maintained by imports, not home grown products. Part the reason I look at this as collapse of a civilization along with collapse of an Empire.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 20:24 utc | 27
People were allegedly lured to Russia with promises of lucrative employment and assurances of safety and no mention of involvement with the armed forces. The agent responsible for recruitment reportedly charged each individual a hefty 350,000 rupees ($4,230) for facilitating their travel to Russia. Moscow has not commented on the developments.
This revelation follows the tragic death of a 30-year-old Mohammed Afsan from Hyderabad, who was allegedly misled into joining the Russian army and lost his life in the conflict in Ukraine. The Indian Embassy in Moscow confirmed his death on Wednesday. The embassy stated on X (formerly Twitter) that it is in touch with the Russian authorities and is making efforts to send the deceased man’s remains to India.
If it is true, thats not good.
Posted by: Calgary guy | Mar 8 2024 20:25 utc | 28
….say what???? Two years in to this fucking thing and the Russians, who knew it was there, only decided to tap it now. Was the building under a bridge? I know Russia has issues with bridges, bit of an OCD thing at this point.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 8 2024 19:54 utc | 23
Say, pal, you’d better decide, what you want. Not so long ago you was all covered in snots because Russia kills so many people, and now you demand Russia killing more. You should pick something and stick to it, otherwise it smells funny.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Mar 8 2024 20:29 utc | 29
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 8 2024 19:10 utc | 16
Don, my wife and I will be spending a couple months in Ireland next year. I would love to buy you a drink and have a chat.
Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 8 2024 20:30 utc | 30
Calgary guy | Mar 8 2024 20:25 utc | 28
RT and Sputnik of just reprint western propaganda. That one has been in the western propaganda media for a day or two now.
Hindutva India is getting closer and closer to the US. Full support of the Genocide in Gaza. Targets of the Hindutva extremist ideology is Muslims and Chinese. to the hindutva, both are sub humans.
India is likely to burn all its bridges with Russia as we move closer to the war on China.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 20:34 utc | 31
from 31 “RT and Sputnik often just reprint western propaganda…”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 20:38 utc | 32
Hot Carl | Mar 8 2024 19:37 utc | 18
There is one place where a Poseidon has a force multiplier, that is at the bottom of a continental shelf. These are normally sheer underwater cliffs, and the destabilizing of one could provoke a massive landslide and a subsequent Tsunami. Most logical is found in the Azores, where there were fears that a Tsunami would happen naturally due to volcanic action – and wipe out the US East coast. Turned out to be doom mongering in the end, but “well” placed 100 kilotons could change that.
There are historical antecedants, such as the wiping out of the population on what is now the Dogger Bank.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 20:38 utc | 32
well, that’s how I came over years to understand MSM lying about RT and Sputnik pumping Russian propaganda. In fact, although neither often links headline references, I’ve been able to trace 90% of their um copyright derivative products back to syndicated MSM western propaganda. I’ve yet to detect “disinformation” or “misinformation” embellishments, supplied by either. LOL! keyword selection
Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 8 2024 21:06 utc | 34
Emmanuel Macron just said that any Russian advance in direction of Kiev or Odessa would mean that NATO forces would engage.
Very bad development for Russia. The West is eager to escalate and to put Russia in dilemma: defeat or WWII.
Probably, as Shadowbanend contemplated, they maybe have insider information that Russian elite would blink.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 8 2024 21:12 utc | 35
Poslan1@29….you also have comprehension issues, a fatal flaw of many posters…..I said ‘building’ not people, the Russians are so fucking polite they’d wait till the evening shift goes home rather than kill anyone. Secondly, it is military infrastructure….that’s fair game especially if they ‘phone ahead’, two years in; like I said, was it under a bridge? And it’s a major piece of military hardware, like wtf.
I’m a trained Grunt, wasn’t too bad at it, so I was told….get a rifle get in a trench, follow some fuck wits orders and put your ass on the line…..get back to me about that killing part.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 8 2024 21:24 utc | 36
On Macron…
Big Serge ☦️🇺🇸🇷🇺
@witte_sergei
The problem with bluffing is getting called.
………….
The Euro’s are like a pack of dogs barking at a bear.
No bears in Australia, but where there is a pack of dogs not quite game enough to attack, if one goes in, they all go in.
Interesting times.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 21:25 utc | 37
There are some trolls saying Russia lost 12 planes in the past 12 days. I know it is untrue, any refutations?
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Mar 8 2024 21:32 utc | 38
Calgary@28….standard entry fee, without sponsorship, for Filipinos coming to Canada is $5000. Seems like a standard fee for entry without sponsors.
…as for ‘mislead’ into joining the army…..seriously. If he is in the Russian army he volunteered and his family will receive full Veterans benefits, believe it or not, many Green Card wannabees are in the same boat….they might lose their life, but their families will be taken care of……that’s the sad bastard world we live in. Gambling with one’s life……..for money.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 8 2024 21:32 utc | 39
sean the leprechaun | Mar 8 2024 21:24 utc | 36
That eavesdropping setup – I suspect it depends what it was used for. The Russians would have known about it so if it was for eaves dropping, a perfect place to drop false information. But then the Brits could have started using it for something else, perhaps in relation to the naval drones, but whatever, plenty of variables there as we know f all about it.
Until more is known, its safe enough to assume its more recently been used for a purpose that makes it a threat to be destroyed.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 21:33 utc | 40
To add to my Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 21:33 utc | 40, that space/satellite thing in Odessa that has just been hit was Soviet era. Would that have been maintained by the corrupt Ukies after the collapse of the Soviet Union or simply allowed to drift into mothballs? My guess is that it has just recently been got up and running again.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 21:40 utc | 41
Peter AU1 @37: “… where there is a pack of dogs not quite game enough to attack, if one goes in, they all go in.”
Which is why when faced with dogs/thugs/other pack animals, you are best off focusing on the biggest one and preemptively brutally stomping it into a grease smear before the pack can work itself up to attack.
Better that and dealing with the rest of the pack bleating “Awe, we was jes` playin`!” afterwards than letting the pack make the first move.
Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 8 2024 21:45 utc | 42
“Emmanuel Macron just said that any Russian advance in direction of Kiev or Odessa would mean that NATO forces would engage.
Very bad development for Russia. The West is eager to escalate and to put Russia in dilemma: defeat or WWII.
Probably, as Shadowbanend contemplated, they maybe have insider information that Russian elite would blink.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 8 2024 21:12 utc | 35”
Macron should go back to tonsil-tickling and snuggling with Trudeau. NATO already is active in Ukraine. But to send actual NATO troops in anything besides a Volkswagon Bus is just Narrative/Fiction which is more tedious drivel.
France has already forgotten Vichy ? Rolling over and letting Adolf tickle your belly?
Posted by: kupkee | Mar 8 2024 21:49 utc | 43
William Gruff | Mar 8 2024 21:45 utc | 42
That is why I’ve been thinking the bear will hit the Brits hard at some point.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 21:50 utc | 44
….get back to me about that killing part.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 8 2024 21:24 utc | 36
ok, as per your request.
So, killing gun toting soldiers was not a fair game and made you cry around here for days, but destroying a military installation which, as you are sure, works only 8 hours a day and all other time stays empty of any civilian contractors/repairmen and such, makes you glad.
Personally, I don’t question any Russian MoD decisions, just curious why you chose to cry like a pussy about some and demand more-more about the others. It just must be my “comprehension issues”.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Mar 8 2024 21:52 utc | 45
@Aleholio | Mar 8 2024 18:52 utc | 12
“What are you smoking dear? Been away for a while?”
Me too I need a massive dis-associative drug to drag me away from reality in these trying time!
Peter AU1 @41
That would be the smart thing to do.
Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 8 2024 21:52 utc | 47
Posted by: Hot Carl | Mar 8 2024 19:37 utc | 18
What reason do you have to believe that the Poseidon drone would only be used in shallow waters? A nuclear-powered (that is, not greatly constrained by power output or fuel) UUV can be thought of as basically a torpedo. It is much more compact than almost any submarine or submersible, and could easily be constructed with steel (or even better titanium, as the USSR and Russia has used for selected submarine classes since the 1960’s) thick enough to withstand depths of at least 1000 meters, possibly much more.
Is this not a greater depth than what you would describe as shallow waters? I am not saying you are wrong, just curious about the details behind your assessment.
More broadly, I wonder if someone here could contribute to clarity on the Poseidon’s actal potential to create a large tsunami (large enough to for example flood New York City, or Hamburg, or whatever). The estimates of the effects which I have seen have been in widely divergent directions.
Ironically, I was going to use the 2004 earthquake and tsunami in the Indian Ocean as an upper bound; an example of a much more energetic event than a Poseidon drone could unleash (as from what I remember reading, this earthquake was many orders of magnitude larger than any nuke). Curiously, this is what Wikipedia has to say:
The energy released on the Earth’s surface (ME, which is the seismic potential for damage) by the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake was estimated at 1.1×10^17 joules (110 PJ; 26 Mt).[39] This energy is equivalent to over 1,500 times that of the Hiroshima atomic bomb, but less than that of Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated.[40]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami
So in fact, if I interpret this correctly, the energy that caused the tectonic displacement, which in turn caused the tsunami, was not many magnitudes greater than a large nuclear bomb, but on the contrary actually smaller. (What I’m unsure how to interpret are not the amounts of energy themselves, but whether “energy released on the Earth’s surface” is the relevant metric here.)
The Poseidon drone has been estimated to be able to fit a 100 megaton warhead. In addition, a single drone would also not be required to affect nearly as large of an area as the 2004 tsunami did.
The Halifax explosion in 1917, whose energy was equivalent to only 2.9 kilotons of TNT, caused an 18 meter high tsunami (but of course, only in the local area).
Is it not actually plausible that, given a detonation at the optimal depth, distance from the target, tectonic conditions in the vicinity etc., that a Poseidon drone could actually a create a large tsunami? With that said, the dynamics of both the movement of a water (especially after something as exotic as a nuclear explosion) and tectonic shifts are far from simple matters. Therefore I’m very curious to what others have to say on this subject.
Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 8 2024 21:59 utc | 48
Ukraine Weekly Update, 8th March 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-260
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Mar 8 2024 22:11 utc | 49
Be informed, avoid sensationalism.
Nature regularly “Poseidon bombs” the sea.
https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/tonga-volcano-eruption-released-more-energy-most-powerful-nuclear-bomb
Posted by: Kid_Kaos23 | Mar 8 2024 22:29 utc | 50
Rupert Murdoch engaged … , what signal is he sending ? Posted by: mustangemely | Mar 8 2024 19:43 utc |
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That his bank account is working, even if his dick isn’t.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 8 2024 22:30 utc | 51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YF0H5fnvis
And if this is rigth, THEY will never give up.
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Mar 8 2024 17:15 utc | 2
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Every Russian Jew is a Bolshevik, and every Bolshevik is controlled by a Jew: I call it bullshit. This is an antisemitic lie just like the Holocaust never happened. He is correct about one thing: Socialism / communism (S/C) is NOT Russian, because S/C is not about nationalism, all though by necessity, it must become entangled with nationalism. S/C is about class divisions and what class should / or will control the apparatus of the state, the means of production, and how the products of production will be distributed; this, and so much more.
Whatever one may think about S/C, it was not, and it is not. a Jewish plot. The Jews in in the newly forming USSR were promised a home land in Palestine by the British (as were the Palestinians) in return for their comment to continue in the war against. This was done under the mistaken belief that most of the Bolshevik were Jews: The Bolsheviks told them to stick up their arse. See the documentary: How Britian Started the Arab-Israel conflict.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=how+britain+started+the+arab-israeli+conflict&view=detail&mid=147AF8EDC2471C85DB4B147AF8EDC2471C85DB4B&FORM=VIRE
Posted by: Ed | Mar 8 2024 22:39 utc | 52
Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2024 19:54 utc | 22
Hunting for “cattle”. Mobilization in all its glory.
People are fleeing the country, and the authorities are hunting them like animals and serfs.
So you all UKRANIAN people remaining in West-UKR be aware, when your home electricity would be cut-off, and “you” are going to restore it by a new fuse ! UKR-Officers will keep you then just that moment.
Another story from Dima puplished yesterday shows an ugly story how “local inhabitants” are operating against any “De”-Mobilization OPs”, swinging an axe against the Piano-Cock-Player’s Mr.Z. recruiting guys (see the “yellow car”):
Look at Dima video-ref. starting at minute 01:36 til 04:44 :
Western-UKR Local Mobilization Resistance
Indeed – That’s like Hitler Nazis methods.
Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Mar 8 2024 22:44 utc | 53
Ed @ 52,
Sorry: “in return for their commitment to continue the war against Germany and the Triple Alliance.
My bad.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 8 2024 22:45 utc | 54
Personally, I don’t question any Russian MoD decisions
Posted by: Poslan1 | Mar 8 2024 21:52 utc | 45
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Agreed.
Unfortunately, the internet is loaded with (bloodthirsty and bipolar) Armchair Generals.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 8 2024 23:07 utc | 55
Unnamed | Mar 8 2024 21:59 utc | 48 “The energy released on the Earth’s surface (ME, which is the seismic potential for damage) by the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake was estimated at 1.1×10^17 joules (110 PJ; 26 Mt).[39]”
…….
“The bhangmeter results and other data suggested the bomb yielded around 58 Mt (243 PJ),[13] which was the accepted yield in technical literature until 1991, when Soviet scientists revealed that their instruments indicated a yield of 50 Mt ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba
I have always taken the Tzar bomb to be 50mt which would be twice what is estimated for the indian ocean earthquake. 100MT Poseidon would have four times the potential of the Indian ocean earthquake.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 23:29 utc | 56
Be informed, avoid sensationalism.
Posted by: Kid_Kaos23 | Mar 8 2024 22:29 utc | 50
Yeah, fuck off with your patronizing tone. If the contents of my post suggested that I am not “informed” and just engaging in sensationalism, then you’re incapable either of reading or of comprehending. I asked for informed and well-argued speculation, not lazy and condescending oneliners. You can keep those to yourself.
The fact that the Tonga volcanic eruption released 61 megatons, but did not create a massive tsunami, establishes nothing. (It’s unclear if you gave even a moment’s thought to consider that.) It is obvious and fundamental to the discussion that it’s critical where the energy is released and where it’s directed (the Tsar Bomba itself, which detonated over the ocean but at a high altitutde above it, didn’t create a tsunami either).
If the Tonga event involved 61 megatons of TNT, while the 2004 tsunami (which killed hundreds of thousands across a huge area) was triggered by a 170 PJ (26 megatons of TNT) tectonic displacement (again, I am not sure if this figure is correct, or at least not possibly misleading), that would only serve to underscore this point.
Another example is the devastating tsunami (reaching all the way to Brazil and the Eastern United States) following the 1755 Lisbon earthquake. The estimates of this earthquake’s magnitude vary between 7.7 M and 9.0 M on the moment magnitude scale. This corresponds to an energy release (using the formula lg E = 5.24 + 1.44*M, with the energy E in units of joules, from here: https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth520/content/l7_p4.html) between 550 TJ (only 132.4 kilotons of TNT) and 1.58 EJ (377.6 megatons of TNT).
Note that the span is four orders of magnitude, but that even the highest value is in the same order of magnitude of the Poseidon warhead (100 megatons TNT). (What requires further analysis is how much of the energy released by a nuclear weapon – most of which is, at least in the first instance, in the form of gamma rays and X-rays – would be translated into kinetic energy comparable to the movement of an earthquake.)
A weapon like the Poseidon drone would (that’s the whole point) be guided to a location where it would recreate the conditions of those earthquakes that have created tsunamis (unlike a natural disaster like the Tonga eruption whose shape, so to speak, is not optimized by anyone to create a tsunami). The question is what a Poseidon drone could be expected to achieve, under optimal conditions.
(Note: We of course don’t know that the purpose of the Poseidon is to create tsunamis, but I’m asking to assume that for the sake of argument. At the same time, it’s known that Sakharov suggested in 1961 a large torpedo with a 100 megaton nuclear warhead to create tsunamis, essentially as a backup route, not suspectible to airborne interception, to delivering a nuke to the West. The similarities between his idea and what we know about the Poseidon are probably not a coincidence.)
Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 8 2024 23:30 utc | 57
Unnamed
I think the highest known wave occurred in a bay on the coast of Canada or Alaska. Can be found on youtube with footage of the height to which the mountains around the bay had been scoured.
Apparently caused by a landslide into the bay. Waterline/scour line was something like 1500ft up the mountain sides.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 23:39 utc | 58
YetAnotherAnon | Mar 8 2024 18:48 utc | 11
*** There was an incident in Dagestan a while back when Muslims went to the airport in search of Israelis.***
Exceedingly dubious ‘incident’… almost certainly a “false flag” propaganda stunt.
Posted by: Cynic | Mar 8 2024 23:41 utc | 59
Macron should go back to tonsil-tickling and snuggling with Trudeau.
Posted by: kupkee | Mar 8 2024 21:49 utc | 43
all just politics
the politics of dancing the politics of moving the politics of feeling good macron always felt good when he was a young rothschild banksta apprentice
https://twitter.com/Handysook1/status/1762307372327010514
Posted by: todd | Mar 8 2024 23:42 utc | 60
I thought the underwater tsunami nuke was designed to swallow whole carrier groups on detonation , and not to be some flooding London city device.
Posted by: Hankster | Mar 8 2024 23:44 utc | 61
Posted by: Aleholio | Mar 8 2024 18:52 utc | 12 ….
Over-heated chip?
Posted by: Cynic | Mar 8 2024 23:45 utc | 62
What requires further analysis is how much of the energy released by a nuclear weapon – most of which is, at least in the first instance, in the form of gamma rays and X-rays – would be translated into kinetic energy comparable to the movement of an earthquake.
One kilo per ton for desilting dams. Blowing stumps about the same. Thats using basically mining explosive wich is a bit below the yeald of TNT which nuclear weapons are measured in.
Both US and the Soviet Union I believe did tests in earthworks, making holes. Probably some data on that in wiki or somewhere.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 23:48 utc | 63
Down South | Mar 8 2024 19:51 utc | 21
*** The demographic hole in Ukraine has deepened so much that the point of no return has been passed. ***
What a mess … yet, post-USSR, had it not been for the Khazarian mafia and Soros-bought disruptors (plus other NATO related interference) Ukraine could have become one of the richest and most successful countries in Europe.
Posted by: Cynic | Mar 9 2024 0:03 utc | 64
Some ball park maths on my last few comments. Poseidon – 100 megatons of TNT equivalent.
One ton of TNT will displace one 1000 tons/ 1000 cubic meters of water (perhaps a bit less as salt water is heavier). 100 megatons of TNT would displace about 100,000,000,000 cubic meters of water.
100 cubic kilometers of water displacement?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 9 2024 0:04 utc | 65
Rupert Murdoch engaged … , what signal is he sending ? Posted by: mustangemely | Mar 8 2024 19:43 utc | 19
That his bank account is working, even if his dick isn’t.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 8 2024 22:30 utc | 51
I tend to think that Rupert’s bank account is working well enough to keep his dick working, too. I’m sure Boston Robotics would gladly put together a twelve-inch prehensile subcutaneous prosthesis for him for a price his bank account would hardly notice. If not Boston, surely Elon Musk would help out.
Posted by: Honzo | Mar 9 2024 0:22 utc | 66
Personally, I don’t question any Russian MoD decisions
Posted by: Poslan1 | Mar 8 2024 21:52 utc | 45
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Agreed.
Unfortunately, the internet is loaded with (bloodthirsty and bipolar) Armchair Generals.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 8 2024 23:07 utc | 55
True that. I do not get people who are screaming for the nukes. Those are illiterate kids, really.
In my younger student years we had a joke on a military literature – What is the thinnest book in the World? Book of Italian victories.
Thickest? Soviet Military History.
I have no doubt that a skill and the determination is perfectly orchestrated within RF MOD. It was not always like this.
A new imaginary book by
Shoigu explains why is he the real economist of the war.
Posted by: whirlX | Mar 9 2024 0:36 utc | 67
Posted by: Pain Avalanche | Mar 9 2024 0:52 utc | 68
You are posting in the wrong thread. This is for Ukraine, not Gaza. The moderators should delete or move your post to the appropriate thread.
Posted by: MiniMO | Mar 9 2024 1:07 utc | 68
Re: Poseidon:
A shallow water nuke detonation produces a huge amount of radioactive saltwater, and large surface waves when the water column collapses, but these wave diminish very rapidly as they move outward. A deep water nuke produces a shockwave, but this diminishes by inverse cube law, so it has relatively short reach. Waves may not be created at all. The mechanism is very different from a low-velocity displacement of a large area of sea floor. Even very small waves from tsunami can cross the entire Pacific, sometimes seeming to disappear, but reappearing as the water gets shallower close to shore. I don’t think energy released in producing a tsunamic can be usefully compared to the effects of the same energy release via an underwater nuclear explosion.
Posted by: Honzo | Mar 9 2024 1:19 utc | 69
@HotCarl that’s an interesting take on the Poseidon weapon. I’ve thought for a long time that it cannot work for the stated purpose without causing tsunamis in all directions.
The question is at what range would the Shockwave from an underwater nuclear detonation be sufficient to rupture submarines?
The other problem is that using such a weapon would also destroy any Russian attack subs trailing the enemy boomers. Perhaps as a doomsday weapon the attack subs are a necessary sacrifice to save the nation.
Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Mar 9 2024 1:32 utc | 70
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Lituya_Bay_earthquake_and_megatsunami
“1958 Lituya Bay earthquake and megatsunami”
https://geology.com/records/biggest-tsunami.shtml
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ASKdcfBJ30
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 9 2024 1:49 utc | 71
The Euro’s are like a pack of dogs barking at a bear.
No bears in Australia, but where there is a pack of dogs not quite game enough to attack, if one goes in, they all go in.
Interesting times.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 21:25 utc | 37
The preliminary reaction to Macron’s shrill barking indicates that he is the only dog in the room…and the rest (save, the Czech guy) see that he is rabid and they are backing away and calling animal control.
Posted by: Activist Potato | Mar 9 2024 2:01 utc | 73
CANADA TRIES TO SHED NAZI PAST, UKRAINE OBJECTS – Following embarrassing scandal of Nazi honored in Canadian Parliament, Ottawa still struggling to dissociate with Nazism, removes NAZI monument to Ukrainian SS Galicia division off its axis (video above) in preparation to be demolished.
Monument erected at Ukrainian cemetery in Oakville in 1988, has been repeatedly called a disgrace and protested to be removed by citizens of the town – now that it has, Ukrainians are accusing Canada of “spitting in face of Ukraine
Posted by: Hankster | Mar 9 2024 2:08 utc | 74
We are talking about nukes and there is no SB opining.
I’m perplexed.
I hope xir/xe is okay.
Posted by: bubaroonicus | Mar 9 2024 2:12 utc | 75
RT and Sputnik of just reprint western propaganda. That one has been in the western propaganda media for a day or two now.
Hindutva India is getting closer and closer to the US. Full support of the Genocide in Gaza. Targets of the Hindutva extremist ideology is Muslims and Chinese. to the hindutva, both are sub humans.
India is likely to burn all its bridges with Russia as we move closer to the war on China.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 20:34 utc | 31
Not everything is “Western propaganda.” Two things can be true at the same time – Russia and India have friendly relations, and some foreign nationals (Indians included) are being lured to the frontlines in Ukraine by organized crime elements and corrupt defense officials.
Posted by: James M. | Mar 9 2024 2:31 utc | 76
from Simplicius the Thinker’s most recent, which is divided between a round up on the Nato/Ukraine/-Russia war, and new escalatory rhetoric and actions coming out of Europe
fyi,
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-3724-macron-raises-rhetoric
….Europe’s continued escalatory rhetoric remains concerning. After the German general staff were exposed in last week’s Taurus scandal, parties have increasingly begun laying their cards on the table.
Macron has come out with several new belligerently foreboding statements which seem to suggest my theory about France’s humiliation and consequent revenge-seeking may be accurate:
(French) foreign minister recently shared his trepidation at what would happen if Russia took over all Ukraine:
– Moscow’s victory in Ukraine will result in major financial losses for Europe; from an economic point of view, the situation will become catastrophic – French Foreign Minister Séjourné.
– In this case, according to the minister, in the field of agriculture, Russia will then be able to take control of more than 30% of the world wheat market.
….Meanwhile, the European Steadfast Defender and Dragon 24 exercises in Poland were said to practice the crossing of the Vistula River right near Kaliningrad:
….But if that wasn’t enough, at the same time the Nordic Response exercises are being held just miles from the Russian border in the north
….And while all this is going on, Germany and Russia both are apparently planning to test their national nuclear alert systems
….Did I mention that Germany’s Pistorius is now reportedly fast-tracking the reintroduction of compulsory service, i.e. mandatory conscription, in order to speed up NATO’s looming war against Russia?
Lastly, on the developing Moldovan front, escalations likewise continue….
Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 9 2024 2:32 utc | 77
Massive drone attack on Taganrog, reportedly the Beriev Aviation Plant has been hit and is burning.
No big deal.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 9 2024 3:25 utc | 78
“And Putin needs to corral this sort of population into isolation and a showdown with the Western block to live his Russian great man fantasies.”
“the soft power is Soviet, not Russian”
Posted by: Chessmaster Z | Mar 8 2024 19:08 utc | 15
Judging from the time of your emigration from the USSR, you most likely have a judaic background, which suggests that the idea of Russian patriotism is deeply foreign to you. Putin is not a fantasist; he is a realist supported by the great majority of Russians who had experienced the sadistic rule of jewish oligarchs and compradors during Harvard Boys’ banquet in Russia. You seem regret the fact of Russia finding ways to recover both her economy and morals. Russians are not like the genocidal Nuland & Mileikovsky (bibi) or senile Biden & H. Clinton. Look at the Knesset on Potomac (property of AIPAC) – no sovereign country should have allowed this kind of disgrace.
Your posts show an alleged concern for Russia and her citizens. First, Russian supermarkets are not saturated with GMO, which, judging from your posts, is a terrible detriment. Second, Russian universities continue graduating large numbers of excellent engineers and researchers, which explains why Russia is ahead of US in military technologies – and God only knows about other areas where US is naked and impotent due to an intense process of deindustrialization and financialization of economy.
You try to convince the readers that the middle-class Russians are dreaming about moving to western countries. This is perhaps true for your circle of acquaintances, but not for the professional Russians at large. By the way, are you aware about the job situation in the collective west?
And here is a special item for you: The example of Sharansky should put to rest your belief in the virtue of pro-western “fighters for human rights.” As soon as Sharansky arrived to Israel, he shed any pretense on supporting the human rights and became a regular zionist. He consequently won an adoration of Bush the lesser. The lawyer Kallistratova was a saint. Sharansky was a regular sold-out. By the way, Jabotinsky, the father of Zionism, was a collaborator of Mussolini: zionism was and is a jewish fascism.
A sample of western values in action:
“Not far from the border with Romania, 34 men who wanted to leave the country, avoiding mobilization, were detained and severely beaten.
The video shows how one of them was pressed with a knee on the neck and kicked.
Ze-democracy at its finest!”
https://t.me/legitimniy/17413
Video in link
Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2024 19:54 utc | 22
Posted by: Cerena | Mar 9 2024 3:26 utc | 79
Looks like wasn’t just drones, but missiles too:
https://t.me/fighter_bomber/15934
crests attacked Taganrog with drones and missiles.
They hit the Beriev plant, the airfield and the port in several waves.
Previously, we fought back without losses in equipment and people. Morning will tell.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 9 2024 3:30 utc | 80
Simplicius76 has an article that discusses in detail the latest Russian Black Sea sinkings:
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-3724-macron-raises-rhetoric
Yet the slobbering gasbag armchair general Martyanov, allegedly a naval expert, is totally and absolutely silent on this, not entebbe attempting to deny that the sinkings happened (which of course he can’t, they’re on video).
So much for the Martyanov stans.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Mar 9 2024 3:31 utc | 81
More broadly, I wonder if someone here could contribute to clarity on the Poseidon’s actal potential to create a large tsunami (large enough to for example flood New York City, or Hamburg, or whatever). The estimates of the effects which I have seen have been in widely divergent directions.
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The Poseidon drone has been estimated to be able to fit a 100 megaton warhead. In addition, a single drone would also not be required to affect nearly as large of an area as the 2004 tsunami did.
Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 8 2024 21:59 utc | 48
The radioactive tsunami stuff is just sensationalism.
The actual applications might be to tail and destroy enemy subs and carrier groups, by being able to track them from a distance for a very long time, then to detonate in such a way that to make sure nothing survives.
And to destroy coastal cities without triggering early warning systems and as a guaranteed second strike system. The nuclear reactor means these things can go really fast and then just ram themselves into coastal cities, before any potential defenses can even react, and with that size of a warhead, the destruction will be total even if they are somehow hit with countermeasures at some distance.
Also, notice the curious asymmetry here. Russia has a grand total of seven strategic objects located on a coastline — St. Petersburg, Vladivostok, Murmansk, Sevastopol, Severodvinsk, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, Komsomolsk-on-Amur — with the latter five primarily important for their military facilities. Everything else is deep inland, making it invulnerable to that type of attack. Hopefully that list will grow to eight with Odessa soon.
Meanwhile the US and the UK as maritime powers have most of their vital sites on the coasts. BTW, so does China, even if it is not a maritime power…
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 9 2024 3:45 utc | 82
victoria nudelman aka nuland –
what limit can someone cross or which agreement break to be dismissed immediately?
which taboo did she break?
Posted by: gpc | Mar 8 2024 17:38 utc |
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I think that someone has broken into Biden’s feeble mind and convinced him that the current direction of the US proxy war in Ukraine is a losing proposition. I think that Nuland disagreed profusely, and now she is on the outs: After all, it was her plan.
This is just my opinion, and we know that opinions are like arse holes, so let me expand a bit.
If I am correct, then this raises the question: What changes could the Biden administration contemplating? Here are some of the choices:
1. NATO troops on the ground in Ukraine. But Vicky Nuland should be peeing in her panties with excitement if that were true.
2. Biden is considering a nuclear attack on Russia. Not likely, though again Nuland might buy into such a plan, the neo-con that she is.
3. After the election, or soon enough before the election that it will be forgotten, Biden will force Zelensky (or remove Zelensky) to negotiate a peace deal or stalemate with Russia.
I like this one because Nuland would be horrified, and it explains a few things that are going on now in the EU. For example, Macron’s talk about going into western Ukraine with Frances puny 80 thousand military force may be all talk, but perhaps the point is to help Zelensky, who is now holding a bad hand compared to March 2022, to negotiate with Putin.
This can apply to the so called “leaks” by the German generals, and threats by the UK to also send forces into Western Ukraine and advancing them towards the Dnipro River as a buffer against Russia advancement. Even the recent warnings about terrorism in Moscow and St. Petersburg could be psychological warfare to provide Putin (and the greater Russian population) with a greater incentive to negotiate with Zelensky. We know that Zelensky is, or has been, communicating with Recep Erdoğan of Turkey lately.
After all, what else do they have? Perhaps through backchannels, Putin has made it clear that Russia is willing to design a “peace plan agreement’ that helps Biden to look better in the lead up to the election in November.
What say you?
Posted by: Ed | Mar 9 2024 3:47 utc | 83
James M. | Mar 9 2024 2:31 utc | 77
Russia has the best relations with China as per joint statement and many other things. Hindutva India is part of the anti China west.
Chechen’s were taking and training volunteers from anywhere right from the start. This now applies to the Russian military with those who serve receiving citizenship after serving. Then there is Wagner that has volunteer mercs from around the world, the one common factor amongst them is they join up to fight the west.
Conning people into joining up to fight for Russia is bullshit. So many around the world are sick of what US is doing and join up top fight the bastards regardless of their government.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 9 2024 4:14 utc | 84
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 8 2024 23:39 utc | 58
You’re probably thinking of the 1958 Lituya Bay earthquake + landslide, yeah 1700ft high inital localize wave. woah.
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Posted by: Unnamed | Mar 8 2024 23:30 utc | 57
re: “The question is what a Poseidon drone could be expected to achieve, under optimal conditions.”
Maybe you specified it and I didn’t read carefully enough, but are you asking, what it could achieve on it’s own for tsunami like effect, or what it could achieve\take in terms of triggering a tectonic re-action\actual big enough earthquake or landslide?
I think you’re more asking the later to which I have little to add other then Cannikin-1971 (5mt) at 6k ft underground on the Aleutian Islands along the ring of fire, some localized rockslides\landslides did occur, but no earthquakes or resulting tsunami, of which there was great concern about pre-test by the public. Though some tectonic movement did occur along the chain weeks later topping out at a 4.0, which some attributed\assume to have been caused by added stress induced by the test (but not proven from what little I can tell). I have not read up on all the soviet underground tests, just scant info on underwater ones, so maybe they have other results.
In theory it sounds plausible @50mt or 100mt to trigger something, be it an earthquake, thin roof on an existing volcano, a landside (above or underwater), etc, but I have my doubts about it being in a predicative\reliable way in terms of achieving a desired result in a desired\specific time frame. Thankfully it seems nobody’s tried it.
On the by-itself part also not too of much value but Wigwam 30kt (-2000ft),Wahoo 9kt(-150f),Umbrella 9kt(~50f), Swordfish,joe-42,17, andKorall-1 from scant info seemed to produced no real tsunami effects (there were of course in the blast area initial waves from 20-100ft but reported dissipated quickly). Granted 30kt test and 100mt are likely not that comparable, and no doubt surrounding water depth\geography and depth of device execution would be factors in wave height and dissipation effects.
So wiping out a large harbor area\region via generated wave(s) seems entirely plausible at some range with such a sized weapon, beyond that, I presume less so but I’m interested in more info. For tsunami, i think it’s less an pure raw energy released comparison thing than a sheer mass moved thing. For example the 2011 japan quake was said to be something like 30ft of displacement, over 310nm length, by 120nm in width, that’s a hell of a lot of water (on order of size of Portugal) compared to what a 100mt warhead vaporizing would produce from what I understand, idk, nothing larger that 30kt I think was ever tested underwater.
In either case while not mentioned, just in case anyone wonders, one could not use said device to make it seem like it was natural, ie it would be no secret there was a nuke detonation preceding whatever event might be triggered, assuming anyone’s still alive to read the hydrophone data.
Posted by: knighthawk | Mar 9 2024 4:38 utc | 85
About Poseidon:
That is very serious stuff. If the water is sufficiently deep, the sudden release of energy will expand the water around the explosion by making it supercritical, a giant bubble that pushes the water column up. It is a lot of energy released suddenly, much faster than a volcanic eruption or even a tsunami. The right comparison with a natural phenomenon would be a large asteroid impact. If the amount of energy is Tsar bomba, you can expect devastation for hundreds of km of coast line. The wave penetration inland will depend on topography, if it is flatish it can be tens of km. Sakharov notes that the proposal was discarded by Soviet generals who argued that it would not discriminate civilian from military targets, we can be assured noone cares much about that in our decadent century.
As noted above by our (hopefully) human brother, the US and Europe are much more vulnerable than Russia, Eastern Seaboard, southern North Sea coast, Gulf of Mexico, California Coast are basically gone with one blast each or two.
Do not poke the bear, or we might have to cope with a demo.
Posted by: biochar | Mar 9 2024 4:53 utc | 86
Posted by: averros | Mar 8 2024 19:06 utc | 14
Dude, the poster “aleholio” isn’t a “concern troll”, but a western troll. His entire post is an attack on Russia and China with a whiff of pretense on the operation. None of those who have offered criticism here have demanded that Russia is responsible for the initiation of the conflict or that it should apologize and return to its 1991 borders, so let’s not be dishonest here.
Posted by: Constantine | Mar 9 2024 4:59 utc | 87
There were rumours around Fukishima disaster that it was caused by a nuclear device off the coast because of the relative small area effected. If true it may be a guide to what damage may ensue.
Posted by: Q-lander | Mar 9 2024 5:13 utc | 88
darn wish I kept reading before replying. lol
Posted by: Honzo | Mar 9 2024 1:19 utc | 70
Yeah that’s my understanding, very different dynamics than plate movement.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 9 2024 1:49 utc | 72
yup
The question is at what range would the Shockwave from an underwater nuclear detonation be sufficient to rupture submarines?
That was part of Swordfish (nuketipped ASROC) test 62 among other things, the results related to that aspect can probably find in archives somewhere, but they seem less public on that aspect, the joe and korall russian tests were nuke torp test so can maybe look into those as well. As for tailing subs being near-by, that’s what Poseidon would potentially before, thus you own subs wouldn’t want to be close, even well after.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 9 2024 3:47 utc | 83
Well it’s a theory (presuming want comments on #3). 😉 I’m not convinced there are options that make Biden look good that Ru can actually live with. I’m not convinced they give too hoots how Biden looks or even that Biden cares all that much how ‘it looks’ so long as it’s spinnable as it ‘disappears’. 95% western MSM can and will spin anything as instructed, even if it’s 180d from their prior reporting, nor matter how ludicrous for a week, a month, or a year or so and then just disappear the topic. So if the orders go out to sell something as XYZ when really is ABC, they will do as instructed, as they have largely done since the start of the SMO, or looking back how they handled the events of the exit in Afghanistan, jab and mask madness, or dozens of things we all could name.
Posted by: knighthawk | Mar 9 2024 5:18 utc | 89
A bit odd that Bhadrakumar has suggested that Nuland was actually pushing for the implementation of the Minsk Agreements. Their importance as a ploy to arm the Maidanist regime to NATO standards cannot be denied.
The ever interesting thing is the perennial inability of the Anglo-Americans to transform these imperial appendages like Ukraine into functioning and prosperous countries. The obvious explanation is that imperial vassals are to some extent basket cases by definition. Yet the scale of their degradation is intriguing.
From South Vietnam to Afghanistan and Ukraine, every puppet regime has been a spectacular failure. Now, since such compradores are expected to facilitate the plundering of the countries by their masters, they cannot produce robust patriotic regimes. But it is hard to fathom this scale of degradation, corruption and decrepitude, even without a military conflict going on.
I could add the regime of South Korea in the late 40s that was led by the imported comprador Syngman Rhee that survived due to the brutal war waged by the western forces and the complete overrun of the DPRK before the Chinese intervened. Without the massive western intervention the South would have collapsed to the northern forces WITHOUT any direct participation of massed Soviet and Chinese forces. Interestingly, the 1948 report of the recently founded CIA highlights the fundamental differences of the two Korean regimes, with the Southern based entirely on treasonous local elites that had previously served their former masters of the Japanese empire.
Posted by: Constantine | Mar 9 2024 5:27 utc | 90
Russia has the best relations with China as per joint statement and many other things. Hindutva India is part of the anti China west.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 9 2024 4:14 utc | 84
No, its not. And even if India was part of the “anti China west” what does that have to do with Russia? India and China are neighbors, and yes sometimes they fight. There are some disputes with the border – but Sino-Indian relations go back a lot further than any “west.” There are multiple bilateral and multilectal mechanisms China and India use to resolve their issues that exclude the “west.”
India has always gone a third way, since Nehru. You know why? Because it remembers its colonial past. It is not part of the “west” anti-China or not, and never will be.
Conning people into joining up to fight for Russia is bullshit. So many around the world are sick of what US is doing and join up top fight the bastards regardless of their government.
I’m sure you’ve already signed your recruitment papers.
Posted by: James M. | Mar 9 2024 5:34 utc | 91
https://t.me/treugolniklpr/23222
The night and morning UAV attack on us was carried out by aircraft with new characteristics. The warhead is much more powerful than previous models. They flew very low. Anticipatory fixation is difficult.
The flight paths were through the territory of the LPR and DPR. From LBS to Svetlodarsk, then to Kirovsk, after which turn south. And then the shoot down in the Taganrog area.
Flight time from Kirovsk to Taganrog – 1 hour
The UAVs in the Novotroitsky region arrived from the direction across the Dnieper, north of Kakhovka (preliminary).
Once again: the UAV is much larger in size, the sound is like that of Geranium, the warhead exceeds those previously recorded.
Speed from 80 to 200-odd kilometers per hour. The flight altitude in a number of areas is 12-15 meters. Small arms are ineffective when trying to shoot down.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 9 2024 5:35 utc | 92
Watchind Mercouris always inspires me, his manner of analysis is so welcoming of alternate views. Lead me to the understanding that Nulands visit to Ukraine and pronouncement of surprises in store for Russia followed by her abrupt departure are likely connected. The implied circumstances are worrying – what may have been planned. Really, one should be sceptical of a Ukranian leading that project.
Posted by: jared | Mar 9 2024 5:45 utc | 93
knighthawk | Mar 9 2024 4:38 utc | 85
The questions thought by Unamed got me thinking about it a bit. Shallow water as on a continental shelf, damage quite localized. Likely very high local wave but no guts behind it so wouldn’t carry far.
Needs depth for max water displacement. Off the US east coast, off the edge of the continental shelf would be ideal. Very deep water in places there. A few Poseidons parked along the and the US eastern seaboard is gone. Be some collateral damage but then who’s worried about collateral damage on doomsday.
The Brits have Ireland on one side for some protection and on the other the shallow North Sea though I assume it could give London a cold shower.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 9 2024 5:46 utc | 94
James M. | Mar 9 2024 5:34 utc | 91
How far do Sino-Hindutva relations go back?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 9 2024 5:51 utc | 95
How far do Sino-Hindutva relations go back?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 9 2024 5:51 utc | 95
Further back than US-India relations. And India isn’t hindutva, at least not yet. The BJP is a Hindu nationalist party true, but doesn’t incorporate all of that philosophy. Also, who has been India’s largest trading partner for most of the last two decades?
Posted by: James M. | Mar 9 2024 5:57 utc | 96
@ Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 9 2024 2:32 utc | 78
I suspect that Maroon is trying to resussitate NATO – as Euro-NATO, lead by himself.
Posted by: jared | Mar 9 2024 6:00 utc | 97
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Mar 9 2024 3:31 utc | 81
It’s understandable lot of people are ‘in shock’ of BSF sinkings. To be honest there is probably negligence and even incompetence where, perhaps old commanders didn’t understand how new drones and ways of war change in naval combat. I think the focus is shifting from proper ships to drones as a whole, including also, we might have automated, smaller naval platforms for missiles and torpedoes (even torpedoes becoming pretty obsolete now tbh in conjunction with advanced missile tech).
But in the context of Ukraine war, the sea war is just a tiny sliver, and it will not have too much effect unless Nato decides to fully attack Russia. In that case, it comes more down to whether you have ISR over the Black Sea and Baltic Sea. Because we know the platforms carry very advanced missiles with 1500km or potentially longer range. That means a ship in the Black Sea could hit a ship another ship off the coast of Latvia pretty quickly, in mere 5 minutes. Now think if Russia parks missile corvettes in Ladoga – where they are completely impervious to enemy sea drone attacks (Nato might still attack ships with bombers but if we’re at that point we might have a slew of more acute problems to worry about).
If SMO wraps up in a few years, the high intensity phase could be much sooner than that, then the truth is these sinkings will have low relevancy. Russia will build a new naval doctrine and new kind of deployments and anti-drone defenses according to that.
Now another question is if this escalates to full blown war between Nato-Russia within 6 months, then we can retrospectively say there was a purpose ‘weakening’ Russian fleet before the big conflict. But to be honest, I don’t think it will escalate to full war. Nuland kicked out and putting the failed US policy standard cleaning guy indicates Ukraine project is effectively over for US, and they have no more policies, because they aren’t even sending money for Ukraine.
Now we see EU stepping up to the plate, well who knows, but we see Macron backing down already. Macron said ‘we will defend Odessa’, I think Odessa will be Russia before a few years. Of course, it’s possible there will be a new authority in Ukraine not subjugated to Nato, in which case Russia might not take more of anything other than in the constitution based on new votes.
But my point is unless Nato plans full war soon, then however dramatic the sinkings they won’t have relevancy. You can be sure all major navies including Russia are making notes of small drones threat to ships. Ukraine war just randomly happened to be the first war in history where we see small drones being used to such scale. Obviously, since Ukraine has no more navy, it seems more dramatic as the only potential thing that can happen is Russian ships struck with them.
But they could make some temporary even low-tech counter measures until whole new methods for dealing with drones are developed, which will extend well beyond the duration of SMO end.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 9 2024 6:02 utc | 98
The Quad (anti China allegiance/group”.
https://www.cfr.org/article/quad-aukus-and-indias-dilemmas
The Quad was born from the vision of the Indo-Pacific as a single strategic space, where activities in one area would inevitably affect activities in the other. There were two underlying motivations behind this grouping and vision. The first was that the United States, Australia, India, and Japan have a vested interest in upholding the rules and norms of the current order; augmenting existing institutions; ensuring freedom of navigation and trade; and promoting connectivity, economic development, and security within existing rules and standards. The second was that all four Quad members believed that China’s rise and the reach of its Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) posed a threat to them and the region.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/09/16/aukus-india-australia-uk-us-submarines/
For India, the formation of the new Indo-Pacific coalition AUKUS—among Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States—is welcome for a number of reasons. The objective of the coalition is to help Australia build a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines and deepen security cooperation in other areas, such as defense-related artificial intelligence and quantum computing, cyberwarfare, and underwater technologies.
From New Delhi’s perspective, the new coalition signals a strong political resolve in Washington to confront the growing security challenges from Beijing. In ending the long-standing taboo on transferring military nuclear propulsion technology even to its allies, the United States is also acknowledging that deterring China requires outside-the-box thinking.
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Realists in New Delhi will recall how the decision by the George W. Bush administration to end India’s international nuclear isolation helped transform the ties between New Delhi and Washington. The historic civil nuclear initiative—implemented in the face of relentless opposition from U.S. and global non-proliferation bureaucracies—helped harmonize the two countries’ strategic interests. It also paved the way for India’s participation in the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, or Quad, with Australia, Japan, and the United States. The new Australian-U.K.-U.S. coalition—already known by the acronym AUKUS—is among treaty allies, but also aims at leveraging nuclear cooperation to facilitate strategic outcomes in the Indo-Pacific: In this case, to significantly enhance Australia’s military capabilities and bind it in a long-term relationship to Britain and the United States.
Cuddly gandpa Modi… The Hindutva PM.
You are very naive James M.
Posted by: https://www.cfr.org/ | Mar 9 2024 6:05 utc | 99
Now another question is if this escalates to full blown war between Nato-Russia within 6 months, then we can retrospectively say there was a purpose ‘weakening’ Russian fleet before the big conflict. But to be honest, I don’t think it will escalate to full war. Nuland kicked out and putting the failed US policy standard cleaning guy indicates Ukraine project is effectively over for US, and they have no more policies, because they aren’t even sending money for Ukraine.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 9 2024 6:02 utc | 98
It just escalated massively this night with the attack on Taganrog. Read what I posted above.
Those are strategic irreplaceable facilities. And quite likely these drones are coming from NATO. It remains to be seen what the damage is exactly, but this is as serious as it gets.
And even if they did manage to repel this attack without major damage, tonight there will be another saturation attack, and sooner or later the plant will b disabled.
Then they will move on to Voronezh, Tula, the Moscow region, etc.
This MUST stop, NOW.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 9 2024 6:10 utc | 100