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March 3, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-067
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Breaking! What will the end game look like: Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 4 2024 12:22 utc | 201 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 20:27 utc | 82 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 4 2024 12:30 utc | 202 “Proton Rocket engines are made in Perm. Soyuz production facility is located in Samara. Don’t mistake headquarters, design bureaus or branch plant locations for the production facilities of Russian weapons. They started locating them east of the Urals with the German invasion in ’41. They continued with this sensible strategy throughout the cold war. Obviously companies west of the Volga make things the Russian military use but you won’t for example see a military aircraft factory or a heavy forging press … shit the USA really wants to bomb. You build it in the mountains and you build them far apart to survive a nuclear war.” “Look who is the anti-communist here… You do understand US prints basically unlimited money, right? You must think all nato countries are so “satisfied” they’re expanding into Asia because it’s pure bliss, they want to help the pagans!”
How can you prove that? Posted by: vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:02 utc | 205 Is Macron that crazy? Posted by: Stierlitz | Mar 4 2024 13:04 utc | 206 Posted by: Ossi | Mar 4 2024 10:16 utc | 191 Peter AU1@156…Peter, that is an English fixation, the International Oligarchy want Russia federated and free access to pillage Russia’s vast resources. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 4 2024 13:17 utc | 208 Posted by: vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:02 utc | 205 Posted by: Mario | Mar 4 2024 13:18 utc | 209 “The US can no longer print its money without being punished; to keep the value of the dollar up they have had to increase the Fed discount rate up 2,000% (.25% to 5.25%)in the last 18 months. Is Macron that crazy? MARCH 4, 2024 BY M. K. BHADRAKUMAR Putin’s nuclear warning is direct and explicit
Posted by: António Ferrão | Mar 4 2024 13:34 utc | 212 Posted by: Passerby | Mar 4 2024 11:02 utc | 194 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 4 2024 13:38 utc | 213
That’s of course also an interesting idea. Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Mar 4 2024 13:46 utc | 214 @201, Posted by: JamesBond | Mar 4 2024 13:57 utc | 215
Apparently they still can. I see no mathematical limit to that. Posted by: Vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:58 utc | 216 The YouTube channel of the German “news channel for kids” logo!, produced by the German state TV channel ZDF, is now pushing the idea of sending Taurus missiles to the Ukraine and accusing the German chancellor of dithering on the issue using a TikTok-style vertical video skit with anthropomorphic cruise missiles and a tank:
What’s next? Teletubbies advocating for putting Russians living in the West in concentration camps? Posted by: S | Mar 4 2024 14:00 utc | 217 Posted by: Vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:58 utc | 216 Posted by: Mario | Mar 4 2024 14:03 utc | 218 Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 13:25 utc | 210 Posted by: OnceWere | Mar 4 2024 14:06 utc | 219 “US can no longer print money with a low interest rates. @HB_Norica #168 Posted by: S | Mar 4 2024 14:08 utc | 221 Einar Koch, head of Bild’s parliamentary editorial team in Bonn and Berlin in 1992–2003, the paper’s political director and most recently its chief political correspondent:
Posted by: S | Mar 4 2024 14:22 utc | 222 Posted by: Jason | Mar 3 2024 22:31 utc | 118 Posted by: snake | Mar 4 2024 14:28 utc | 223
The name Tula should be sufficient. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 14:40 utc | 224 Polish parliament spokesman said if Nato troops are killed in Ukraine’s territory, they will consider that to be an attack on the alliance. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2024 14:41 utc | 225 So I assume people have seen Medvedev’s presentation today: Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 14:48 utc | 226 @225, Posted by: JamesBond | Mar 4 2024 14:50 utc | 227 225 – NATO troops already have been, I suspect, but unacknowledged on both sides as a way of limiting the conflict. So they’re officially volunteers, mercenaries, aid workers, whatever. Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 4 2024 14:53 utc | 228 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2024 14:41 utc | 225 Posted by: Mario | Mar 4 2024 14:56 utc | 229 @222 S: Thanks for that post. Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Mar 4 2024 14:58 utc | 230 “Considering that the front hasn’t moved significantly in any direction for quite some time now.”
Morons really do conceptualize war as American football with guns, where the whole point is to “capture enemy territory” (symbolized in American football by moving the ball towards the Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 4 2024 14:59 utc | 231 Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 4 2024 14:59 utc | 231 Posted by: Mario | Mar 4 2024 15:09 utc | 232 Why? The British people will do that themselves soon enough. Pitchforks being sharpened, torches being lit. Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 4 2024 14:59 utc | 231 Posted by: Mario | Mar 4 2024 15:12 utc | 234 @ William Gruff | Mar 4 2024 14:59 utc | 231 Posted by: malenkov | Mar 4 2024 15:13 utc | 235 @231, Posted by: JamesBond | Mar 4 2024 15:15 utc | 236 It looks like Israel now wants to go against Russia by sending iron domes . Posted by: Innuendo | Mar 4 2024 15:17 utc | 237 It looks like Israel now wants to go against Russia by sending iron domes . Posted by: malenkov | Mar 4 2024 15:22 utc | 238 Posted by: Vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:58 utc | 216 Posted by: Morongobill | Mar 4 2024 15:23 utc | 239 Posted by: Innuendo | Mar 4 2024 15:17 utc | 237 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2024 15:24 utc | 240 Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 15:09 utc | 233 Posted by: john brewster | Mar 4 2024 15:25 utc | 241 Latest Ukrainian losses reported by the Russian military: “Morons really do conceptualize war as American football with guns, where the whole point is to “capture enemy territory” (symbolized in American football by moving the ball towards the enemy opposing team’s “end zone”).” Replying to anon2020 | Mar 4 2024 13:38 utc | 213 Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 4 2024 15:31 utc | 244 Territory, important or not. So the common thread here from long time posters is, oh, as a reminder, it’s a Military Operation, not a war, that killing mass amounts of Russian speaking Ukrainians is the SMO goal, not increasing the size of the Mother Land. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 4 2024 15:39 utc | 245 My favorite mapper: Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 4 2024 15:40 utc | 246 Posted by: Roger | Mar 4 2024 15:25 utc | 242 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2024 15:58 utc | 247 canuck@243…..but it is not football, or soccer, or cricket….it’s killing, death, body bits, lots of blood, MMA, not even close……pick any sport and replace the puck, shuttle or ball with a live hand grenade, pin pulled, now you’re in the game…..of Life and Death. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 4 2024 16:02 utc | 248
That was an intra-elite fight. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 16:16 utc | 249 Every surviving soldier, combatant or not, will be haunted for the rest of their lives after the SMO just from what they have seen, never mind had to do. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 4 2024 16:19 utc | 250 Canadian ChatNSDAP bot: “Your analogy is specious; in American football the ‘whole point’ is to score.” Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 4 2024 16:19 utc | 251 To all you people that foolishly think the USA can print unlimited money. El Salvador’s president Nayib Bukele sums up things well. America’s slow motion hard crash landing is in full progress. Posted by: golddigger | Mar 4 2024 16:24 utc | 252 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 14:48 utc | 226
I wouldn’t take that map too seriously. It is written in English after all. Posted by: hopehely | Mar 4 2024 16:26 utc | 253 Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 4 2024 15:31 utc | 244 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 4 2024 16:42 utc | 254
Posted by: Moonie | Mar 3 2024 17:52 utc | 38 Posted by: grunzt | Mar 4 2024 16:47 utc | 255 @Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2024 15:58 utc | 247 by hopehely | Mar 4 2024 16:26 utc | 253 and shadowbanned Posted by: whirlX | Mar 4 2024 17:11 utc | 257 Those that think that the Russians will have a difficult time managing the Ukrainian territories do not understand the basic power of political economy, history and reeducation. Firstly of course the majority of the population East of the Dniepr, together with the south, is ethnic Russian / Russian speaking. In addition, the majority of the Ukie nationalists will have fled West, apart from those that could not (elderly, infirm, mothers and children etc.) and those that have been predominantly sacrificed to the Russian army. The Russia-friendly population that fled to Russia will return, forming a strong base of Russian support. It looks like Israel now wants to go against Russia by sending iron domes . Posted by: Feral Finster | Mar 4 2024 17:22 utc | 259 Does it make sense for Israel to provoke a broader ME war against enemies armed with thousands of missiles which have already been show to be able to penetrate Iron Dome, and to send Iron Dome systems to Ukraine at the same time? At least one of these narratives is complete bullshit, and probably both. Posted by: Honzo | Mar 4 2024 17:31 utc | 260 shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 16:16 utc | 249 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 4 2024 17:40 utc | 261 Feral Finster | Mar 4 2024 17:22 utc | 259 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 4 2024 17:47 utc | 262
Given what is being done to Gaza right now, should be perhaps take seriously the idea that they plan to launch nukes at major Arab population centers if those missiles are actually used against Israel? It’s not as if total absolute genocidal intent hasn’t been seen already right in front of our eyes. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 17:49 utc | 263 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 17:49 utc | 263 Posted by: Txe | Mar 4 2024 17:59 utc | 264 Does it make sense for Israel to provoke a broader ME war against enemies armed with thousands of missiles Posted by: laguerre | Mar 4 2024 18:12 utc | 265 @William Gruff #231:
Third possibility: a poster has made a simple statement of fact, and you’re a hysterical person throwing a hissy fit over this simple statement of fact because it’s causing a severe cognitive dissonance in your head.
He’s not your friend. He’s a mirror image of the very NAFO trolls he is constantly accusing everyone of being: aggressive, intolerant, not interested in the least in having a rational discussion, only here to spew bile and feel good about himself for doing “the right thing.” Posted by: S | Mar 4 2024 18:18 utc | 266 by shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 17:49 utc | 263 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 4 2024 18:31 utc | 267 In case this has not been posted here is the monthly report by Al Mayadeen`s Ukraine correspondent Posted by: bevin | Mar 4 2024 18:31 utc | 268 Andrei Martyanov posted this short report on S-500 apparently tested successfully against a MIRV: Posted by: AG | Mar 4 2024 18:44 utc | 269 by S | Mar 4 2024 18:18 utc | 266 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 4 2024 18:48 utc | 270 Posted by: vargas | Mar 3 2024 22:01 utc | 108 Posted by: Naive | Mar 4 2024 18:58 utc | 271 FYI for anyone intrigued by American football as a metaphor for warfare, I totally recommend the early effort by Don DeLilo, End Zone.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 4 2024 18:59 utc | 272 Posted by: vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:02 utc | 205 Posted by: Naive | Mar 4 2024 18:59 utc | 273 “Stupid and dangerous. Despite the powers of the presidency, he doesn’t understand the constitution of the 5th republic. Posted by: Naive | Mar 4 2024 19:07 utc | 274 FAZ: Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 4 2024 19:08 utc | 275 for German-speakers: Posted by: AG | Mar 4 2024 19:55 utc | 276 There is a marvellous short narrative between the Indians: when the human is really bad, the avatar Posted by: Txe | Mar 4 2024 19:56 utc | 277 EU is fearful and desperate. EU is completely OVER INVESTED in Ukraine, which is crumbling, and they are in panic mode. Ukraine and Gaza are bringing down existing political power structures in Europe and the west. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2024 20:14 utc | 278 Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 4 2024 19:08 utc | 275 Posted by: Txe | Mar 4 2024 20:21 utc | 279
Posted by: Down South | Mar 4 2024 20:21 utc | 280 I think the situation with US money printing is far more radical than almost anyone realizes. I believe they could have $100 trillion national debt and trillions a year in interest payments and it makes no difference. If a balloon deflates, you can inflate back to where it was, so bank failures don’t trigger inflation either. As long as the government doesn’t dump lots of cash into the public’s hands, inflation stays low – just like Japan, which has low interest rates in spite of huge debt. Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 4 2024 20:22 utc | 281
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21898 Posted by: Down South | Mar 4 2024 20:26 utc | 282 There are many Men who thing that you are less than they wait for you Posted by: Txe | Mar 4 2024 20:26 utc | 283 Why there are 10+ RAF Typhoons up in the air above North England and why is British Government plane Airbus KC2 Voyager cycling above the North Sea 50 km East of Edinburgh? Posted by: whirlX | Mar 4 2024 20:26 utc | 284 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 4 2024 20:26 utc | 284 Posted by: Txe | Mar 4 2024 20:29 utc | 285 Isn’t behavior of German Air Force generals and the subsequent reaction of German government a nice example of the western irrationality. These people are obviously far from reality. Posted by: vargas | Mar 4 2024 20:47 utc | 286 whirlX | Mar 4 2024 20:26 utc | 284 Posted by: Cynic | Mar 4 2024 21:05 utc | 287 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 4 2024 20:26 utc | 284 Posted by: Mario | Mar 4 2024 21:11 utc | 288 @whirlX #257:
Zhirinovskiy’s father, Wolf Eidelstein, was a Jew born in 1907 in the town of Kostopol, in the Volyn Governorate of the Russian Empire. Jews have been living in Volhynia since the Middle Ages. After the 1918 Austro–German occupation, the Russian Civil War and the Polish–Soviet War that ended with the signing of the 1921 Treaty of Riga, Kostopol ended up in Poland. Wolf studied commerce and agriculture at the University of Grenoble, then returned home. So he spent his formative years in interwar Poland and France. He spoke Russian, Polish and French. Wolf and his younger brother Aaron have survived only because the Soviet Union returned West Ukraine in 1939 and evacuated or deported (sources differ) these two to the Kazakh SSR. All other Eidelsteins were killed by the Nazis in August 1941. Wolf was deported back to Poland in April 1946, the same month Zhirinovskiy was born. Zhirinovskiy never met him. Posted by: S | Mar 4 2024 21:12 utc | 289 Posted by: Vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:58 utc | 216 Re the Resident piece quoted by down south. Ukraine presidential elections should be occurring on 24th march, 3 weeks away but Zelensky canceled them. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 4 2024 21:17 utc | 291 Why there are 10+ RAF Typhoons up in the air above North England and why is British Government plane Airbus KC2 Voyager cycling above the North Sea 50 km East of Edinburgh? Posted by: JohninMK | Mar 4 2024 21:23 utc | 292 Canadian ChatNSDAP bot: “Your analogy is specious; in American football the ‘whole point’ is to score.” Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 16:16 utc | 249
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As usual with revolutionary movements, there were schisms which greatly weakened the cause.
So, while the broader fight was between nobles, there was a lot of peasant, agrarian unrest which had to be dealt with mby force. Posted by: john brewster | Mar 4 2024 21:40 utc | 294 FYI – the Lord of War TG channel is reporting that the Bundeswehr head of cyber security is a transgender Lieutenant Colonel calling himself Anastasia Bifang. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 4 2024 21:52 utc | 295 Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 15:09 utc | 233 “canuck@243…..but it is not football, or soccer, or cricket….it’s killing, death, body bits, lots of blood, MMA, not even close……pick any sport and replace the puck, shuttle or ball with a live hand grenade, pin pulled, now you’re in the game…..of Life and Death. No, sean, military affairs are a game as well and played as such; perhaps that is tragic and immoral but that’s reality Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 4 2024 22:00 utc | 298 Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 21:52 utc | 296
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