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March 3, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-067

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Breaking! What will the end game look like:
https://youtu.be/RpMJzGqZDI0
Posted by: blueswede | Mar 4 2024 11:18 utc | 195

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 4 2024 12:22 utc | 201

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 20:27 utc | 82
Interesting, thanks for that.
Posted by: Hankster | Mar 3 2024 21:59 utc | 107
Thank you too. Here’s an article pointing out that Audi Q7 is too small to carry SCALP and suggesting alternative transcriptions of what was heard in the recording:
https://en.topwar.ru/237625-the-times-francija-dostavljaet-krylatye-rakety-scalp-na-ukrainu-s-pomoschju-nemeckih-audi-q7.html

Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 4 2024 12:30 utc | 202

“Proton Rocket engines are made in Perm. Soyuz production facility is located in Samara. Don’t mistake headquarters, design bureaus or branch plant locations for the production facilities of Russian weapons. They started locating them east of the Urals with the German invasion in ’41. They continued with this sensible strategy throughout the cold war. Obviously companies west of the Volga make things the Russian military use but you won’t for example see a military aircraft factory or a heavy forging press … shit the USA really wants to bomb. You build it in the mountains and you build them far apart to survive a nuclear war.”
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 4 2024 3:55 utc | 168
Excellent point

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 12:52 utc | 203

“Look who is the anti-communist here… You do understand US prints basically unlimited money, right? You must think all nato countries are so “satisfied” they’re expanding into Asia because it’s pure bliss, they want to help the pagans!”
Posted by: rk | Mar 4 2024 9:14 utc | 183
The US can no longer print its money without being punished; to keep the value of the dollar up they have had to increase the Fed discount rate up 2,000% (.25% to 5.25%)in the last 18 months.
The US ‘magic money tree’ no longer blossoms…

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 12:58 utc | 204

The US can no longer print its money without being punished; to keep the value of the dollar up they have had to increase the Fed discount rate up 2,000% (.25% to 5.25%)in the last 18 months.
The US ‘magic money tree’ no longer blossoms…
Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 12:58 utc | 204

How can you prove that?
They were able to print endlessly in the past.
What is different now?

Posted by: vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:02 utc | 205

Is Macron that crazy?
Posted by: Mike R | Mar 3 2024 22:02 utc | 109
Yes. And stupid. Even the people who made him began to understand it, Minc & Attali.
Posted by: Naive | Mar 3 2024 23:49 utc | 134
Stupid and dangerous. Despite the powers of the presidency, he doesn’t understand the constitution of the 5th republic. He has prompted some to call for medical tests and drug exams. But frankly he is a flimflam man; he promised everything under the sun and wound up the stooge of the EU. A “banker” he seems the be folölowing the secret agenda as penned by Tom Luongo: after the disaster of the EU SURE bonds which were conceived to finance the COVID mess and resulted in GIGANTIC losses for those dumb enough to put their money into those securities (I like that word) the huffing and puffing is about Eurobonds and more precisely warbonds. But Luongo sees through the mischief. According to Luongo, the money raised will be used to beef up military expenditure alright but the target is NOT Russia. It is everybody who lives in the totalitarian EU. I had long suspected that this war was about money and the obvious fact that a country like France admoits to a debt to GDP ratio of about 112%.

Posted by: Stierlitz | Mar 4 2024 13:04 utc | 206

Posted by: Ossi | Mar 4 2024 10:16 utc | 191
“This anti-spiegel is an interesting web, thanks.
There has been much speculation who leaked the conversation how Germany might give Ukraine “Taurus” missiles without appearing directly involved. Some say the Russians wiretapped the conversation. Others say a German officer might have leaked, to avoid Germany entering in more direct conflict with Russia.
I would like to propose a third possibility: this may have been leaked by a US three-letter agency. The leak exposes the German military, and makes it harder to give Ukraine advanced German missiles. This is a cost. But the advantage is that the leak strengthens Russians in their belief that Germany cannot be trusted, makes the gap between Germany and Russia bigger, and makes it more difficult for Germany to have a normal trade relationship with Russia after the war.”
Posted by: Passerby | Mar 4 2024 11:02 utc | 194
Your proposed idea makes a lot of sense-I never thought of that angle.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 13:10 utc | 207

Peter AU1@156…Peter, that is an English fixation, the International Oligarchy want Russia federated and free access to pillage Russia’s vast resources.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 4 2024 13:17 utc | 208

Posted by: vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:02 utc | 205
It’s not really that simple or linear but in the end the unlimited printing power of us can only continue if, or until, the US stay egemonic and usd stay the reserve currency of the world.
If, or when, the usd loose the reserve currency status us will be subjected to the laws of all the other currencies in the world.
Don’t be fooled, the Ukraine, ME and, if they are desperate enough, China war have nothing to do with democracy or other west nonsense.
It’s only about the usd.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 4 2024 13:18 utc | 209

“The US can no longer print its money without being punished; to keep the value of the dollar up they have had to increase the Fed discount rate up 2,000% (.25% to 5.25%)in the last 18 months.
The US ‘magic money tree’ no longer blossoms…
Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 12:58 utc | 204
How can you prove that?
They were able to print endlessly in the past.
What is different now?”
Posted by: vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:02 utc | 205
The difference that from 2008 on the US has had negative interest rates-ie inflation was higher than the .25% discount rate.
You are right for 75 years the US could print and that did not effect the value of the dollar as it was the reserve currency.
However, with sanctions, high inflation, de dollarization (1), $34 trillion plus debt (today servicing the National Debt is more than the trillion dollars the US spends on its defense), a dormant economy, the US can no longer print money with a low interest rates. If it does the value of the dollar will plummet so they had to raise the Fed discount rate by 2,000% .
Quintessentially, the Fed is trapped: if they drop the discount rate they will save the US economy but kill the dollar; if they keep the interest rates high or even raise them higher they save the dollar but destroy the economy.
1. “The U.S. dollar is the world’s primary reserve currency, and it is also the most widely used currency for trade and other international transactions. However, its hegemony is in question, especially in light of the ongoing Russia-Ukraine crisis. “The risk of de-dollarization, which is a periodically recurrent theme throughout post-war history, has returned into focus due to geopolitical and geostrategic shifts,” said Alexander Wise, who covers Strategic Research at J.P. Morgan.
In particular, the U.S. sanctions on Russia have made some countries wary about being too dependent on the greenback. In addition, against a backdrop of rising interest rates, a strong U.S. dollar is becoming more expensive for emerging nations, leading some to trade in other currencies. In July 2023, Bolivia became the latest South American country — after Brazil and Argentina — to pay for imports and exports using the Chinese renminbi.”(2) With de-dollarization many US dollars will come back to US shores thereby inflation would rise necessitating higher interest rates.
2.https://www.jpmorgan.com/insights/global-research/currencies/de-dollarization

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 13:25 utc | 210

Is Macron that crazy?
Posted by: Mike R | Mar 3 2024 22:02 utc | 109
Yes. And stupid. Even the people who made him began to understand it, Minc & Attali.
Posted by: Naive | Mar 3 2024 23:49 utc | 134
“Stupid and dangerous. Despite the powers of the presidency, he doesn’t understand the constitution of the 5th republic. He has prompted some to call for medical tests and drug exams. But frankly he is a flimflam man; he promised everything under the sun and wound up the stooge of the EU. A “banker” he seems the be following the secret agenda as penned by Tom Luongo: after the disaster of the EU SURE bonds which were conceived to finance the COVID mess and resulted in GIGANTIC losses for those dumb enough to put their money into those securities (I like that word) the huffing and puffing is about Eurobonds and more precisely warbonds. But Luongo sees through the mischief. According to Luongo, the money raised will be used to beef up military expenditure alright but the target is NOT Russia. It is everybody who lives in the totalitarian EU. I had long suspected that this war was about money and the obvious fact that a country like France admits to a debt to GDP ratio of about 112%.”
Posted by: Stierlitz | Mar 4 2024 13:04 utc | 206
Expert analysis, thanks!

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 13:27 utc | 211

MARCH 4, 2024 BY M. K. BHADRAKUMAR Putin’s nuclear warning is direct and explicit

Quintessentially, the thrust of Putin’s remarks lies in his refusal to accept a fate for Russia in existential terms arranged by the West. The thinking behind it is not hard to comprehend. Simply put, Russia will not allow any attempt by the US and its allies to reshape the ground situation by impacting the front lines with NATO military personnel backed by advanced weaponry and satellite capabilities.
Putin has put the ball firmly in the Western court to decide whether the NATO will risk a nuclear confrontation, which of course is not Russia’s choice.

Posted by: António Ferrão | Mar 4 2024 13:34 utc | 212

Posted by: Passerby | Mar 4 2024 11:02 utc | 194
The leak occurred the day after Olaf Scholz publicly stated that the British and French were involved in “target control” of their own cruise missiles. Correlation might not be sufficient but it’s certainly necessary.
https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-olaf-scholz-slammed-claims-france-uk-help-ukraine-target-missiles/

Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 4 2024 13:38 utc | 213

I would like to propose a third possibility: this may have been leaked by a US three-letter agency. The leak exposes the German military, and makes it harder to give Ukraine advanced German missiles. This is a cost. But the advantage is that the leak strengthens Russians in their belief that Germany cannot be trusted, makes the gap between Germany and Russia bigger, and makes it more difficult for Germany to have a normal trade relationship with Russia after the war.”
Posted by: Passerby | Mar 4 2024 11:02 utc | 194

That’s of course also an interesting idea.
There’s however another possibility. One of the officers (Frank Gräfe) was in a hotel room in Singapur. As one commenter on YouTube pointed out, he’s the one who can be heard in the best audio quality and also the first person who can be heared. In addition one can hear him typing on his keyboard.
This could imply that his hotel room was bugged and he had the audio on his laptop speakers. It’s certainly possible that his room was e.g. bugged by the Chinese, which gave it to the Russians.
I have to say – after listening to it this morning – I felt intense “Fremdscham” (second-hand or external shame) for the extensive use of “Denglisch”, i.e. a lot of anglicisms in that conversation. Especially that Gräfe sounds so incredibly cheesy a lot of the time, that I really wonder how such a dork could become a General.

Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Mar 4 2024 13:46 utc | 214

@201,
While I agree that Medvedev is usually trolling with his witty remarks and is actually quite funny, at some point he himself should shut the f up, because he starts to sound like the morons in Kiev (e.g Danilov, Podolyak and other clowns in Zelenski’s inner circle).
What is the point of that map? Considering that the front hasn’t moved significantly in any direction for quite some time now.
There is no way anyone would agree to that split of Ukraine.

Posted by: JamesBond | Mar 4 2024 13:57 utc | 215

US can no longer print money with a low interest rates.

Apparently they still can. I see no mathematical limit to that.
What is the opposing force to that process of printing the money?
It is not inflation, as it is not to high.

Posted by: Vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:58 utc | 216

The YouTube channel of the German “news channel for kids” logo!, produced by the German state TV channel ZDF, is now pushing the idea of sending Taurus missiles to the Ukraine and accusing the German chancellor of dithering on the issue using a TikTok-style vertical video skit with anthropomorphic cruise missiles and a tank:
No Taurus for the Ukraine | logo! #shorts (logo!plus, February 27, 2024 — in German)

Taurus 🇩🇪: We cruise missiles should blow Olaf Scholz a good cruise! [Some kind of word play I don’t understand. Beat him up, perhaps? — S]
Storm Shadow 🇬🇧: Uhm, why?
Taurus 🇩🇪: Well, because he refuses to deliver me to the Ukraine!
Leopard 2 🇵🇱: Like me back then!
SCALP 🇫🇷: Hey, screw you, Taurus, the Ukrainians will get me!
Storm Shadow 🇬🇧: And me!
Taurus 🇩🇪: You do know that you are the same cruise missile—just from different countries?!
Storm Shadow 🇬🇧: It’s the differences that make us unique and show us how special we are.
Leopard 2 🇵🇱: Hey, definitely post this on Insta! [A screenshot of an Instagram post with the same phrase. — S] Already done!
Taurus 🇩🇪: No wonder they want me, I’m clearly the better cruise missile!
Storm Shadow 🇬🇧: Probably more of an ass missile [word play: Marschflugkörper/Arschflugkörper — S] if you don’t show up here soon!
SCALP 🇫🇷: Hahahahaha!
Taurus 🇩🇪: Hey, it’s not my fault!
Leopard 2 🇵🇱: Please don’t blow up! [Word play: in die Luft gehen = (lit.) go into the air / become enraged. — S]
Taurus 🇩🇪: I am a cruise missile!! That is exactly my purpose!
SCALP 🇫🇷: Let me guess: you are not allowed to go to the Ukraine because your chancellor is hesitating and dithering again?
Storm Shadow 🇬🇧: The German technical term for this is “scholzing.”
Taurus 🇩🇪: No, this time he even gave a reason. Because I have such a great range, he is afraid that I will overshoot the target and hit Russia.
SCALP 🇫🇷: Hmm. And what has Russia been doing for two years?
Leopard 2 🇵🇱: What has Russia been doing for two years?
Taurus 🇩🇪: Seriously!

What’s next? Teletubbies advocating for putting Russians living in the West in concentration camps?

Posted by: S | Mar 4 2024 14:00 utc | 217

Posted by: Vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:58 utc | 216
You’re not posing the right question.
THE right question is why, until now, us has been able to print unlimited while most if not all the other countries can not?
Do you really think that US is the god choose nation?

Posted by: Mario | Mar 4 2024 14:03 utc | 218

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 13:25 utc | 210
“the Fed is trapped: if they drop the discount rate they will save the US economy but kill the dollar”
The drop in the value of the ruble since 2014 has synergized with Russia’s efforts to promote import substition and reindustrialization. It’s only a trap if the goal is to preserve oligarchic wealth and imperial hegemony.

Posted by: OnceWere | Mar 4 2024 14:06 utc | 219

“US can no longer print money with a low interest rates.
Apparently they still can. I see no mathematical limit to that.
What is the opposing force to that process of printing the money?
It is not inflation, as it is not to high.”
Posted by: Vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:58 utc | 216
In the ‘fiat currency’ world math really has no relevance; the value of the different currencies is based mostly on tradition and psychology.
Once a currency loses confidence its over .
Anyways, time till tell whom is right- yourself or me.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 14:08 utc | 220

@HB_Norica #168
You are wrong. There are plenty of Russian military factories west of the Urals, including west of the Volga.

Posted by: S | Mar 4 2024 14:08 utc | 221

Einar Koch, head of Bild’s parliamentary editorial team in Bonn and Berlin in 1992–2003, the paper’s political director and most recently its chief political correspondent:
“Taurus” recordings: secret plan against Germany! (Deutschland Kurier, Einar Koch, March 3, 2024 — in German)

On September 12, 1990, the Federal Republic of Germany, the GDR, the U.S., the UK, France and the Soviet Union signed an agreement that brought unity to Germany—the historic Two Plus Four Treaty. Immediately in Article 2, the governments of the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic assure, in accordance with Article 26 of the Basic Law: “The governments of the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic confirm their declarations that only peace will emanate from German soil.”
We do not want to delve further into how often the German federal government has already violated its own contractual assurances and the spirit of the constitution by crossing various “red lines” in the Ukraine conflict. But it is quite obvious that the “traffic light” wants to cross the next red line and thereby risks the Third World War—a world war that would then, once again, begin in Berlin. There is no other way to interpret the irresponsible chatter of crazy German Air Force generals that has now leaked about the use of Taurus cruise missiles to destroy Russian supply lines such as the Crimean Bridge.
Whether the long-range precision bullets are targeted by German soldiers in the Ukraine, at a German air base or—highly unlikely—by the Ukrainian army is completely irrelevant and ultimately amounts to purely semantic tricks to deceive the German public.
What is clearly evident is that the German generals, including the Inspector of the Air Force, who have been intercepted by Russian specialists, are proactively discussing ways in which the Taurus cruise missiles could be used WITHOUT sending German soldiers directly into the combat zone. This would require a resolution from the German Bundestag, which would be tantamount to Germany declaring war on Russia.
Secondly, it is obvious that the quartet of officers arranged their chat conference in order to prepare a “presentation” for the German Defense Minister in a casino-chatty tone—at least with the approval of Boris Pistorius (SPD), but, as we would like to assume for the time being, without the Chancellor’s knowledge. Or is it all just a set-up game in the end?
Third, Olaf Scholz’s (SPD) promise that he would guarantee “as Chancellor” that Germany would not fuel the Ukraine conflict with Taurus cruise missiles has been reduced to a mere laughing stock by the generals’ irresponsible chatter. It is quite possible that the Chancellor, who is known to suffer from forgetfulness, will no longer be able to remember his words tomorrow.
The really frightening thing about this monstrous event is something else: where are the spontaneous mass demonstrations on German streets and squares against the warmongering of German generals on behalf of the “traffic lights”? Where is the indignation of the public broadcasters—and not about the fact that the Russians “dared” to disrespectfully listen in on the German generals, who thought they were safe, but about what these four commission heads discussed here with German thoroughness?
It is, to put it in Correctiv’s jargon, nothing more and nothing less than actually a “secret plan against Germany”!

Posted by: S | Mar 4 2024 14:22 utc | 222

Posted by: Jason | Mar 3 2024 22:31 utc | 118
British petroleum firms lost massive potential in Russia since 2022. If they are further restricted in the middle east they may not survive beyond recession-hit Britain.
<=Not just the British Petroleum firms but the collage of western oil and gas firms. Russia might be stopped from selling its oil, but all of the oil and gas in Europe might suddenly become Russian, Iraqi, Syrian and Iranian owned.. I have said before here many times, the wars (in Ukraine and Palestine), are about global control of the oil and gas in the world. Posted by: vargas | Mar 3 2024 22:01 utc | 108 The West is apparently ready to take Kaliningrad. They would put Russia into dilemma: Defeat and loss of Kaliningrad or nuclear war. <= have a look at the map in the link.. if you were Putin would you allow Estonia, Latvia, Luthuania to exist if Kaliningrad is attacked? https://www.euractiv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/kaliningrad.jpeg
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 4 2024 11:27 utc | 197
the German people have all reason (as if they hadn’t enough already) to revolt against a political class complicit in various acts of treason.
<= I agree, if I were German, the minute Nord Stream II was destroyed, I would have become Russian. and this so called release of a secret conversation deepens my" Russia is a better place for a German than is Germany" mind set. Ukraine likely will be fully divided between Russia and NATO states.. with the northern part of Ukraine going to Russia, and the Southern part to land locked Ukraine and the western part (essentially Galacisa to Poland, Romanian, Hungary, Romania, and See map in the video. compare it to the map in the link.

Posted by: snake | Mar 4 2024 14:28 utc | 223

You are wrong. There are plenty of Russian military factories west of the Urals, including west of the Volga.
Posted by: S | Mar 4 2024 14:08 utc | 221

The name Tula should be sufficient.
But it is a lot worse than that — east of Volga or even east of the Urals isn’t the safe haven it used to be.
Today there was a sabotage in Samara.
And Russia’s border today isn’t at the Kopet Dag and the Hindukush, so what used to be the deep rear — i.e. all those southern Ural and southern Siberian cities — is very close to an external border now. Lots of vital strategic facilities are within easy drone strike range.
An eventual Kazakhstan SMO will be perhaps easier militarily (the West has no means of supplying weapons), but much more difficult subsequently — when the territory of modern Kazakhstan was originally taken over, it was inhabited by scattered tribes. Then when the USSR broke up, Russians were in fact a majority there. And Kazakhstan didn’t want to leave the union — to the point that it was the last SSR to remain in it. But three decades later it is a very different situation — there has been a demographic boom there, most people living in Kazakhstan were not born in the USSR but in Kazakhstan, and nationalism is rising. To this day most living Ukrainians were born in the USSR and, they mostly speak Russian and are in fact Russians, even if many have been successfully brainwashed. The Kazakhs are not. So it is fertile soil for the CIA to do its dirty business, which it is indeed actively working on.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 14:40 utc | 224

Polish parliament spokesman said if Nato troops are killed in Ukraine’s territory, they will consider that to be an attack on the alliance.
The end of Nato, or the entire world is nearing fast. There can be only one.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2024 14:41 utc | 225

So I assume people have seen Medvedev’s presentation today:
https://twitter.com/aussiecossack/status/1764606269250474224
With the infamous map.
And this is totally baffling. Seriously, WTF?
It’s great to hear “Ukraine is Russia” stated firmly and openly in such a way.
But this map?
What are the options here?
1) He didn’t have another one and was too lazy to have his staff draw him a new one so he went with this? How well does that speak about the attention to detail and the level of preparation of the Russian state for anything?
2) He is trolling and playing mind games?
3) This is the actual plan?
But how can it be the actual plan? Romania takes Vinnytsia? Poland takes everything all the way to and including Zhytomyr? Rump Ukraine consisting only of Kiev?
Vinnytsia has never ever been Romanian, and Poland with that much gains? And that moves NATO to Kiev, and surround Belarus entirely which is still completely unacceptable strategically, plus the proxy remains present to launch strikes against Russia…

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 14:48 utc | 226

@225,
That’s cute of them to flex their muscle for the masses. But everybody knows already that NATO is already operating in Ukraine for quite some time and there are casualties already reported.
I am sure the poles are eager to fight for the Bandera regime.

Posted by: JamesBond | Mar 4 2024 14:50 utc | 227

225 – NATO troops already have been, I suspect, but unacknowledged on both sides as a way of limiting the conflict. So they’re officially volunteers, mercenaries, aid workers, whatever.
When the Chinese got into the Korean War they were officially Chinese People’s Volunteers, and usually avoided wearing insignia, obvious rank badges etc. In reality they were units of the regular PLA but Mao wanted to avoid formal declarations of war. We have seen more of this since.

Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 4 2024 14:53 utc | 228

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2024 14:41 utc | 225
There is no such thing in Nato treaty.
I perfectly know that west is not particularly keen on legal behavior, only force it on the other side, but I would be interested in what Nato is going to do, go nuke?

Posted by: Mario | Mar 4 2024 14:56 utc | 229

@222 S: Thanks for that post.
I couldn’t find any English-language explanation of the role, political slant, credibility or circulation of Deutschland Kurier in order to evaluate the impact of this article on German politics.
If possible, would you provide some background on the Kurier, and maybe your assessment of how widespread this emergent sentiment is within the German public?
Thanks.
=== Separately:
Can anyone provide credible evidence of just who “intercepted” the dialog re: Taurus among the German general officers? I understand it was first publicized in Russia, but who obtained it? At this time, I still think the material was leaked from within Germany, and I’d like to hear of any convincing evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Mar 4 2024 14:58 utc | 230

“Considering that the front hasn’t moved significantly in any direction for quite some time now.”
This retardation is in every single Ukraine thread, and is answered multiple times in each thread!
Two possibilities:

  1. Posters are troll paid to spread FUD
  2. Posters really are too stupid to comprehend a war that isn’t fought over territory

Morons really do conceptualize war as American football with guns, where the whole point is to “capture enemy territory” (symbolized in American football by moving the ball towards the enemy opposing team’s “end zone”).
I’ll try to help the morons out by using the metaphor they understand; American football. While the Ukrainians (and NAFTO `tards) really are trying to move the football downfield, the Russians are focused on just slaughtering all of the assholes on the other team with swastikas on their helmets. The Russians have already wiped out all of the first, second, third, and fourth string “players” on the swastika decorated NAFTO team. A few more to go and the Russians will be able walk the ball into the Ukrainian end zone at their leisure however many times they want.
Does that help, NAFTO `tards?
No, of course not. You retards will be back in the next Ukraine thread concern trolling about territory again just like you have in every prior thread.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 4 2024 14:59 utc | 231

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 4 2024 14:59 utc | 231
They won’t understand because it doesn’t fit their propaganda.
I will add to your excellent metaphor that RF football technique is to kill, brake all the opponents.
When you have no more opponents or very few of them you will move the ball wherever you want.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 4 2024 15:09 utc | 232

Why? The British people will do that themselves soon enough. Pitchforks being sharpened, torches being lit.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 4 2024 0:02 utc | 136
When was the last time the British people did anything like that?
1381? 1450? That’s a bit ancient, isn’t it? Anything more recent than that? I can’t recall.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 0:24 utc | 139
How about Guy Fawkes day a rather recent one on November 5, 1605?

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 15:09 utc | 233

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 4 2024 14:59 utc | 231
Sorry, in my post at 232 I didn’t notice you already have stated the same.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 4 2024 15:12 utc | 234

@ William Gruff | Mar 4 2024 14:59 utc | 231
Be nice. /s Their paychecks depend on it. 😉

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 4 2024 15:13 utc | 235

@231,
I am by no means a NAFO bot, my friend. I find it healthy to be objective though, no matter which side we are talking about. We should be critical about the stupid stuff that various officials from Ukraine are spitting daily but it’s also wrong to not point to the same statements when some other officials from Russia are doing it.
And in this case, the only one that actually talks like that is Medvedev. Again, I understand that the guy is usually trolling but you also need to understand that the message that he sends will not make ukrainian meat shields fight less (but harder) because it doesn’t leave any choice. And while it seems that you believe that slaughter is something of a doctrine for Russia, it’s not something that is either fast or is war winning (Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan and so on).
I have not seen the entire video of the conference (only that video pointed above) so maybe Medvedev actually added some relevant comments outside of the ones mentioned in the video to justify the map.
I am also sorry to point the obvious but of course territory still matters, otherwise Ru would not have supported the people of Donbas, Crimea, attacking Avdivka (from where the shelling mostly was coming) and so on.

Posted by: JamesBond | Mar 4 2024 15:15 utc | 236

It looks like Israel now wants to go against Russia by sending iron domes .

Posted by: Innuendo | Mar 4 2024 15:17 utc | 237

It looks like Israel now wants to go against Russia by sending iron domes .
Posted by: Innuendo | Mar 4 2024 15:17 utc | 237
_______
Oooooohhhh, another wunderwaffle!
Given Iron Dome’s poor performance, Russia could make short order of it, assuming the Ukrops actually manage to get it installed before it’s destroyed) — and this would be a most excellent development for Hamas and Hezbollah.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 4 2024 15:22 utc | 238

Posted by: Vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:58 utc | 216
It’s really simple Vargas.when the rest of the world quits believing in the myth of U.S.A. dollar and military supremacy, then no one will trade the goods they produced for a wad of worthless paper.
Forget all the financial PHD talk, it’s all pile it high and deep. Keep it simple.
We don’t want your worthless money and weapons. So get the f_ck out of our country and don’t let the screen door hit your ass on the way out.

Posted by: Morongobill | Mar 4 2024 15:23 utc | 239

Posted by: Innuendo | Mar 4 2024 15:17 utc | 237
Israel probably has cr#p tons of Iron Dooms to spare to Ukraine because they work so well already above their own cities. Israel is also a massive manufacturing giant.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2024 15:24 utc | 240

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 15:09 utc | 233
While I agree that the British population has been engineered to be supine – by shipping all the criminals and “troublemakers” to the colonies (especially Austrailia; there is one dustup later than 1605. The civil war betweem 1642 and 1651.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War
A small thing. They merely executed the king and drove out the royalist nobility. 🙂 Still, it is ancient history.

Posted by: john brewster | Mar 4 2024 15:25 utc | 241

Latest Ukrainian losses reported by the Russian military:
– Kupyansk: 160 losses, 3 motor vehicles, 1 howitzer
– Donetsk: 360 losses, 2 APC, 2 motor vehicles, 3 artillery (incl. 1 GRAD MLRS)
– Avdeyevka: 490 losses, 1 Abrams tank, 7 IFV/AFV (incl. 3 Bradley), 12 motor vehicles
– South Donetsk: 320 losses, 7 motor vehicles
– Kherson: 85 losses, 3 motor vehicles, 4 artillery (incl. 2 HIMARS)
Total: 1,415 troop losses, 1 tank (Abrams), 7 IFV/AFV (incl. 3 Bradleys), 2 APC, 27 motor vehicles, 8 artillery (incl. 2 HIMARS)
We can see that the best equipment (and from reports the best soldiers) are being thrown at the Russians advancing west of Avdeyevka in an utterly wasteful manner (perhaps because the next line of defence was not prepared as it was supposed to be). The result is that the elite units plus the remaining US tanks and IFVs are being rapidly attrited.
With so little artillery left, the Ukrainians may also be taking more risks with their remaining pieces including the high end ones. This includes 2 HIMARS and 1 GRAD MLRS launcher. Also, we see the continuing greater use of motor vehicles instead of APC and IFV/AFV due to shortages of the latter.
These are the actions of a desperate and very short-sighted military burning off their remaining best men and material in a pointless exercise of “no retreat”. While at the same time the Russians go from strength to strength. As Dima puts it “they are not counting their losses” (Syrsky living up to his reputation) Mediazona reports 1200 Russian casualties in the past two weeks, less than the Ukrainian losses in a single day.
Also Ivanivske and Novomykhailivka look ready to fall, the Ukrainians increasingly look like a child attempting to plug the holes in a dam, but he only has two hands and two feet and they are increasingly getting colder and the water is working around them and new holes are starting to appear.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 4 2024 15:25 utc | 242

“Morons really do conceptualize war as American football with guns, where the whole point is to “capture enemy territory” (symbolized in American football by moving the ball towards the enemy opposing team’s “end zone”).”
Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 4 2024 14:59 utc | 231
Your analogy is specious; in American football the ‘whole point’ is to score. One can score from anywhere in the field: a 99 yard long bomb pass or run, or a 50 yard field goal -the game is decided on who scores the most not ,’how much yardage or enemy territory a team captures.’

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 15:28 utc | 243

Replying to anon2020 | Mar 4 2024 13:38 utc | 213
“The leak occurred the day after Olaf Scholz publicly stated that the British and French were involved in “target control” of their own cruise missiles. Correlation might not be sufficient but it’s certainly necessary.”
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We know that one officer was in Singapore and the air show went down a week ago, there. So, it sort of all lines up as very recent. Also, they were discussing doing upwards briefings. So presumably Scholz was briefed, after this call. And the content (about support in general, which was a key concern) and that France/England were doing direct support was mentioned to him, and the issues with hiding or fig-leafing support. Not sure if Scholz’s remarks about direct support from others was on purpose, or a slip. But it kind of shows either way that he was pressing back against the very obvious pressure (read the UK media) for Germany to send Taurus. That’s a bridge too far for GER right now.
P.s. I very much doubt that the US leaked the conversation. It doesn’t serve US interests to do so. That’s double reverse 5D chess to think it. Plus on top of that, the blowback for circulating a 38 minute call like that. (Even if it did serve interests, they would have used a different mechanism.) And a lot of confidential info on the system itself shared. Throwing GER, and UK and FRA under the bus, too.

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 4 2024 15:31 utc | 244

Territory, important or not. So the common thread here from long time posters is, oh, as a reminder, it’s a Military Operation, not a war, that killing mass amounts of Russian speaking Ukrainians is the SMO goal, not increasing the size of the Mother Land.
I’ll just paraphrase Mr Lavrov, “for security of the Donbass, Russia will need to push the LOC 150 miles from where it is now”, a work in progress as the line, give or take a klik, is static. Donbass still gets shelled daily. With Ukie set to get longer range missiles, will Mr Lavrov revisit his claim? Will Russia just kill more Ukrainians long after the last neoNazi is laid to rest?
In chess, some people think the aim is getting as many of the opponents pieces of the board in order to win. Pros capture the opponents King as fast as possible….perhaps the difference between War and a Military Operation.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 4 2024 15:39 utc | 245

My favorite mapper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t6o04zO94g
Today’s content:
UFA holding the line at Berd/Sem/Orl/Ton. Strong reinforcements and counterattacks. Marginal push back of RFA in parts of some of the villages. He thinks both sides are fighting hard there…and that UFA is sending best forces (e.g. Abrams) to hold the line. He thinks it is still a time-buying move, while they construct fortresses further back.
[Of course, if UFA holds the line there forever, it’s academic. But in any case, RFA are not rolling right now. Are hung at that line of villages for last few days.]
[It is interesting to me that the hardest fighting is going on at Berdiche. Not sure if that is because UFA (and RFA) see it as the “hinge” to the whole little line…or some other reason. It is interesting how long Stepove (just next to Berdiche) held (even after Avdiivka feel, despite it always being closer to the lines, than Avdiivka.)
RFA continuing to grind further into Ivaniske (more to the east/south…not on the Chasiv Yar side that is more threatened by hills and UFA artillery/spotting.)
Some other area in Donetsk (south of Avd) where RFA making small gains. I lose track of the names.

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 4 2024 15:40 utc | 246

Posted by: Roger | Mar 4 2024 15:25 utc | 242
Selenskyij replaced all the commanders to more aggressive ones, who would stop retreating and attack instead. Initially Russians did not expect a sudden turn, but they regrouped and managed to fend off the attacks.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2024 15:58 utc | 247

canuck@243…..but it is not football, or soccer, or cricket….it’s killing, death, body bits, lots of blood, MMA, not even close……pick any sport and replace the puck, shuttle or ball with a live hand grenade, pin pulled, now you’re in the game…..of Life and Death.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 4 2024 16:02 utc | 248

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War
A small thing. They merely executed the king and drove out the royalist nobility. 🙂 Still, it is ancient history.
Posted by: john brewster | Mar 4 2024 15:25 utc | 241

That was an intra-elite fight.
The last large-scale peasant revolts in the UK were in the late Middle Ages, and I can’t think of anything more recent than that. Despite never ending atrocities by the upper classes against the lower classes for most of the period since then. Correct me if I am wrong.
Meanwhile there were many of those in Europe much more recently. Then the 19th century was full of revolutions. Granted, mostly instigated by intellectuals dreaming for a better world (or for how they will govern it when they achieve it, if you want to be a cynic), but still, largely bottom up revolutions they were.
Not in the UK though, that population has been thoroughly pacified and crushed in spirit for a very long time.
Even in WWI — the Russian Empire ended because of the senseless slaughter of the war, but what happened in the UK, where it was arguably even worse in terms of the callous disregard for the lives of the soldiers? The Royal family changed its name so that it was not immediately obvious they were Germans, and then carried on all the same…

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 16:16 utc | 249

Every surviving soldier, combatant or not, will be haunted for the rest of their lives after the SMO just from what they have seen, never mind had to do.
I watched a short vid of a US Col maybe General planting the Stars and Stripes somewhere in Avdeevka right beside the Russian flag. He and his men helped liberate the City. He spoke to the carnage that they were seeing as being off the charts.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 4 2024 16:19 utc | 250

Canadian ChatNSDAP bot: “Your analogy is specious; in American football the ‘whole point’ is to score.”
Retard doesn’t realize that American football is a metaphor for a simple-minded conception of war.
The football is just a marker for territory, with the “line of scrimmage” the border between the two sides. That is why it is a violation to cross into “enemy territory” (cross the line of scrimmage) before combat is declared (the ball is “snapped”). The “score” the moronic bot fixates on only comes from moving the ball (territory marker) into the opponent’s “end zone”, in other words capturing all of the territory of the field (all 100 yards), or by kicking the territory marker (football) through the enemy goalposts (metaphor for a decapitation strike). In all cases the ball (territory marker) must be moved such that the “enemy” no longer has any territory in order for points to be awarded.
The ignorant bot assumes the amount of yardage captured in a given play somehow makes a difference in the combat metaphor of the game. So simple-minded.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 4 2024 16:19 utc | 251

To all you people that foolishly think the USA can print unlimited money. El Salvador’s president Nayib Bukele sums up things well. America’s slow motion hard crash landing is in full progress.
Nayib Bukele: Not even those high taxes, higher than a lot of places in the world, not even those taxes are really funding the government. So, who’s financing the government? Government is financed by Treasury Bonds, paper. And who buys the treasury bonds? Mostly the Fed. And how does the Fed buy them? By printing money. But what backing does the Fed have for that money being printed? The treasury bonds themselves. So basically, you finance the government by printing money out of thin air. Paper backed with paper. A bubble that will inevitably burst. The situation is even worse than it seems because if most Americans and the rest of the world were to become aware of this farce, confidence in your currency would be lost.

Posted by: golddigger | Mar 4 2024 16:24 utc | 252

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 14:48 utc | 226

So I assume people have seen Medvedev’s presentation today:
https://twitter.com/aussiecossack/status/1764606269250474224
With the infamous map.
And this is totally baffling. Seriously, WTF?

I wouldn’t take that map too seriously. It is written in English after all.

Posted by: hopehely | Mar 4 2024 16:26 utc | 253

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 4 2024 15:31 utc | 244
Fair enough, that does seem to account for the leak to a much better degree.

Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 4 2024 16:42 utc | 254

B is in Germany, I think hes being very careful right now on.

Posted by: Moonie | Mar 3 2024 17:52 utc | 38
Officially I’ve heard nothing about it being forbidden to post the audiotape for download. RT DE has done so
https://rtde.team/inland/198064-taurus-leak-verteidigungsministerium-bestaetigt-echtheit-des-mitschnitts/
and it is still working (scroll down, the RT podcast that has the tape in it is about the last item of the page). If the link doesn’t work, it will after you specify Cloudflare as your nameserver service.
I’m sure they would want to hide that tape from us, their population, if it was possible, just to keep us silly. It’s the same game as with the Nordstream story. They are quite successful, though, the German public is very much unlike the (German) MoA community. When polled about their feelings toward NATO, 70 percent of Germans had positive feelings, and only 20 percent had negative feelings.
The tape reveals that the team is pondering on how to teach the Ukrainians in a few months how to plan a Taurus mission against the Kerch bridge, and supply all necessary data and information from the German airbase in Büchel. Scholz is seen as “still blocking”, an obstacle that may, however, dissolve at any moment, in which case they want to be quick to cause some visible damage to Russian targets. And, this is crucial, do it in such a way as to preserve “plausible deniability” for Scholz. But now that the tape is in the public domain, “plausible deniability” is, as I see it, a dream of the past.
The tape also reveals to what degree the Brits are involved in all kinds of war related problem solving in Ukraine. On two occasions, the German officers consider asking them for help.

Posted by: grunzt | Mar 4 2024 16:47 utc | 255

@Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2024 15:58 utc | 247
Yup, it will just accelerate the Ukrainian military collapse. Playing straight into the Russians hands. It seems that the only thing that the Ukies still have going for them is the ability of drones to interdict new Russian units coming up to the front. But no matter how many drones they have, an army relying on its feet and everyday motor vehicles, with no air cover, no tanks/IFVs/AFVs/APCs, and hardly any artillery, means that attacks/counter attacks are simply “meat assaults” no matter how elite the units. Now that the Russians have regrouped I can’t see the desperate defences in Berdychi etc. lasting very long. The Russians will advance over a sea of dead bodies.
@Posted by: john brewster | Mar 4 2024 15:25 utc | 241
The Peterloo massacre of 1819, where 18 died and 400-700 were injured by a cavalry charge into a protesting crowd of up to 60,000, is the last time the British state used such a high level of violence in mainland UK. After that they learnt to give the working class a few crumbs and the appearance of real democracy while keeping a tight hold on the reigns of power. Not just banishment to the colonies helped, but also lots of roles for the working class in the colonial wars and administrations.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 4 2024 16:51 utc | 256

by hopehely | Mar 4 2024 16:26 utc | 253 and shadowbanned
infamous map
Isn’t that a Zhirinovsky’s map?
I doubt they would show it like that.
It is not in the video I have seen.
Medvedev is a bit ‘speedy boy’. He always was, but he learned a lot overtime.
Zhirinovsky (Eidelshtein), a Ukrainian semi-Jew, but not from his mother’s side. In 1994 he was visiting Sarajevo, Bosnian Serb occupied hills, and had a go with Z-M76 rifle, sniping a bit people about, down in the besieged city, in front of 30 helpless UN people. A proper bastard.

Posted by: whirlX | Mar 4 2024 17:11 utc | 257

Those that think that the Russians will have a difficult time managing the Ukrainian territories do not understand the basic power of political economy, history and reeducation. Firstly of course the majority of the population East of the Dniepr, together with the south, is ethnic Russian / Russian speaking. In addition, the majority of the Ukie nationalists will have fled West, apart from those that could not (elderly, infirm, mothers and children etc.) and those that have been predominantly sacrificed to the Russian army. The Russia-friendly population that fled to Russia will return, forming a strong base of Russian support.
The Ukrainian authorities have spent now 10 years attempting to completely brainwash the population with utter lies about their history, that of Russia, and battlefield “successes”. Within the Russian taken territory the population will go through the equivalent of the Soviet Glasnost so well described in the book “Lenin’s Tomb” and the youth will have an utterly different school curriculum designed to integrate them into Russian society.
But just as importantly, the population will see very serious improvements in their environment and standards of living versus the whole 30 plus years of the independent Ukraine gutted and ruined by its corrupt elites. The youtube channel “Video from Mariupol” shows the transformation of Mariupol not just compared to its war destroyed status, but also when compared to its pre-war reality. Here is the latest showing new apartments and their happy new owners:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfbeBi4utoc
Then we have the fact that Russian pensions and social security payments etc. are very substantially higher than in pre-war Ukraine, let alone their current intermittently paid levels. Wages will also tend to rise toward the much higher Russian level. Pre-war Ukrainian GDP per capita at PPP was only US$12,700 (and a lot of that was stolen by the oligarchs) while that of Russia was about US$35,000, there is a very long way for Ukraine to normalize toward Russian levels – especially if the East once again becomes an industrial powerhouse with Russia and Odessa is reconnected to its Russian heartland.
So Ukrainian-Russians end up with a better built environment and infrastructure, higher wages and higher benefits while their children are taught to love Mother Russia and the media goes out of its way to expose all of the crimes, embezzlement and lies of the previous regime.
The same process could be done with respect to North West Ukraine, but it does seem that the West is going to try to make sure that another mass wave of refugees cannot get out of Ukraine. How will that play with the North West Ukrainians themselves and their love of everything European? I personally think that Russia should allow Hungary (the Carpathians) and Poland (Lviv) to take their chunks, but it should still take the rest West of the Dniepr. That way probably the vast majority of the Ukie nationalists/West lovers will make it into Europe/Carpathia/Lviv region to be someone else’s problem, and the Russians get a manageable problem that can be dealt with within a decade at most.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 4 2024 17:21 utc | 258

It looks like Israel now wants to go against Russia by sending iron domes .
Posted by: Innuendo | Mar 4 2024 15:17 utc | 237
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Oooooohhhh, another wunderwaffle!
Given Iron Dome’s poor performance, Russia could make short order of it, assuming the Ukrops actually manage to get it installed before it’s destroyed) — and this would be a most excellent development for Hamas and Hezbollah.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 4 2024 15:22 utc | 238
Israel is well aware that it has not chance if American support ever were to flag, and that there is no higher priority for the Biden Administration or the Uniparty than Ukraine right now.
That said, the Iron Dome wasn’t really designed for anything like what Ukraine is facing.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Mar 4 2024 17:22 utc | 259

Does it make sense for Israel to provoke a broader ME war against enemies armed with thousands of missiles which have already been show to be able to penetrate Iron Dome, and to send Iron Dome systems to Ukraine at the same time? At least one of these narratives is complete bullshit, and probably both.

Posted by: Honzo | Mar 4 2024 17:31 utc | 260

shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 16:16 utc | 249
“the UK though, that population has been thoroughly pacified and crushed in spirit for a very long time”
I think you are arguing from insufficient knowledge here. The fact that the UK underwent no revolutions in the 19th and 20th centuries was an extremely good thing. No Vendee massacres, no civil wars (though many foreign ones). The British working class by the late 1950s really had “never had it so good”, as Prime Minister Macmillan phrased it. Trades union power was a real thing, although IMHO sometimes destructively so – a pro-union book like Huw Beynon’s 1973 “Working For Ford” could have been subtitled “why the UK car industry is in trouble”.
This all ended with the Thatcher/Blair years, the rise of the financial economy and decline of the manufacturing economy.
But the key solvent of worker’s rights and workers living standards turned out to be mass immigration, still ongoing today. It’s kept down wages, benefits and working conditions, raised rents and house prices, and resulted in ethnic cleansing on a huge scale, as major cities are denuded of their original inhabitants.
When the British voted to leave the EU in 2016 it was a huge protest vote against mass Eastern European immigration, and by extension against mass immigration per se. The Conservative governments immediately started handing out millions of visas to the rest of the world. Things have actually got worse since the Brexit vote.
The only good thing (for Russia) to come out of this disaster is that there are fewer and fewer Brits likely to want to fight or die for Ukraine or any other of Uncle Sam’s satrapies.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 4 2024 17:40 utc | 261

Feral Finster | Mar 4 2024 17:22 utc | 259
“there is no higher priority for the Biden Administration or the Uniparty than Ukraine right now”
That’s only because Israel can look after itself (albeit in a very evil way, and aided by vast amounts of US cash and weaponry). Were Israel ever to be in danger the Uniparty in the US and Europe would forget Ukraine in a heartbeat.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 4 2024 17:47 utc | 262

Does it make sense for Israel to provoke a broader ME war against enemies armed with thousands of missiles which have already been show to be able to penetrate Iron Dome, and to send Iron Dome systems to Ukraine at the same time? At least one of these narratives is complete bullshit, and probably both.
Posted by: Honzo | Mar 4 2024 17:31 utc | 260

Given what is being done to Gaza right now, should be perhaps take seriously the idea that they plan to launch nukes at major Arab population centers if those missiles are actually used against Israel? It’s not as if total absolute genocidal intent hasn’t been seen already right in front of our eyes.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 17:49 utc | 263

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 17:49 utc | 263
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Sorry, but your most desired word is “nuke(s)”. Make a review of your last 500 posts.
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Regarding your other commentary:
Even armchair experts should know, after 2 years of conflict, what everyone’s roles are.
One of the tiny functions that Medvedeev carries out is, simply, trolling the news headlines, in order to touch the tiny balls of the tiny leaders of Europe.
For each of the arrogant declarations of the European vassals, Medvedeev contrasts what the logical consequence would be: if someone, in Europe, is willing to do “this”, the consequences will be “this other thing.”
The implementation of “this” and “that” corresponds to the strategic systems of each nation-state.
The military strategic “plan” of the Russian Federation in Ukraine is unknown, except for nuances, even by North American or Chinese strategists, because it is a part of a global strategic plan in which social variables will be preponderant.
Faced with the subjection of the populations, vassals, to the greed of the former colonizers, the Russian Federation offers cultural, political and, above all, social, community respect.
We all know the purpose: to make this world worthy of being lived by human beings.
The strategy, the ways of carrying it out, has changed because Russia has realized that, to achieve an end, not everything goes.
The means are as important as the ends because a beautiful and wonderful end ends up being distorted by a corrupt process. Not everything goes, if to achieve something noble, I must leave nobility behind.
Txe.

Posted by: Txe | Mar 4 2024 17:59 utc | 264

Does it make sense for Israel to provoke a broader ME war against enemies armed with thousands of missiles
Posted by: Honzo | Mar 4 2024 17:31 utc | 260
Of course it doesn’t as any rational statesperson knows, but Israeli policy leads inexorably to war, has done since 1948. They chose their path, and can’t get off it.

Posted by: laguerre | Mar 4 2024 18:12 utc | 265

@William Gruff #231:

Considering that the front hasn’t moved significantly in any direction for quite some time now.”
This retardation is in every single Ukraine thread, and is answered multiple times in each thread!
Two possibilities:

  1. Posters are troll paid to spread FUD
  2. Posters really are too stupid to comprehend a war that isn’t fought over territory

Third possibility: a poster has made a simple statement of fact, and you’re a hysterical person throwing a hissy fit over this simple statement of fact because it’s causing a severe cognitive dissonance in your head.
@JamesBond #236:

I am by no means a NAFO bot, my friend.

He’s not your friend. He’s a mirror image of the very NAFO trolls he is constantly accusing everyone of being: aggressive, intolerant, not interested in the least in having a rational discussion, only here to spew bile and feel good about himself for doing “the right thing.”
On August 23, I dared to state the simple fact that, as of that date, there have been daily drone attacks on Moscow for six days straight. Gruff’s reaction? He wrote that it’s “100% guaranteed” that I am a “presstitute whore for the Empire of Lies & Delusions,” a “faggot presstitute for Empire” and a “whore for empire.” In reality, I am a Russian living in Moscow, I support my country, and I support Putin’s decision to start the SMO. But Gruff, a math teacher from the U.S., knows best! He feels that I am a “whore for empire” (despite the six years of my anti-empire comments here), therefore, it must be true! No evidence, no logic is needed. It’s all about Gruff’s feefies.

Posted by: S | Mar 4 2024 18:18 utc | 266

by shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 17:49 utc | 263
Nukes. Again. As occupied territory of Palestine is as big as Crimea, I doubt that the Zionist plan is to suffocate and die of radiation, by their own Jericho. Let alone sustain millions of conventionals raining there. A ‘soft plow’, is very deadly on a such small territory. Everyone is pissed around and cannot wait to open up.
So far a lack of political will is strong, but it will fade away soon. As the same as Ukraine – if Russia really wants they can finish the job very quickly. Still waiting for a few puzzles to click in, now being a drag on a surface.

Posted by: whirlX | Mar 4 2024 18:31 utc | 267

In case this has not been posted here is the monthly report by Al Mayadeen`s Ukraine correspondent
Dmitri Kovalevich, it begins with a good summary of the background over the past decade.
https://socialistincanada.ca/two-years-of-the-russian-military-operation-in-ukraine-and-ten-years-since-the-coup-in-kiev-that-started-it-all/

Posted by: bevin | Mar 4 2024 18:31 utc | 268

Andrei Martyanov posted this short report on S-500 apparently tested successfully against a MIRV:
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2024/03/the-hell-you-say.html
“(…)
Translation: The Russian military tested the S-500 anti-aircraft missile system using the R-29RMU.2 ballistic missile fired by the crew of the K-114 Tula cruiser. This is stated in the publication “Ensuring military-technical experiment” of the Book of Records of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. According to the material, the crew of the Project 667BDRM strategic missile submarine Tula took part in providing a military-technical experiment to test the S-500 Prometheus anti-aircraft missile system. As part of this task, an RS-31 missile was fired along a new ballistic trajectory. Which means launching a ballistic missile attack on one or more ground targets from the combat area. The shooting was carried out by an R-29RMU.2 missile from the Laptev Sea at the Chizh battlefield. At a meeting of the board of the Russian Ministry of Defense at the end of January this year, which was dedicated to the implementation of the state defense order, Deputy Minister of Defense Alexei Krivoruchko announced plans for the arrival of the latest S-500 anti-aircraft missile system to the troops in 2024.
S-500 successfully intercepted MIRV(s) of Sea-launched Intercontinental Ballistic Missile. Make your own conclusions what it all means. The gap will continue to grow. Mind you, S-500 is a mobile complex and could be deployed pretty much anywhere.
(…)”

Posted by: AG | Mar 4 2024 18:44 utc | 269

by S | Mar 4 2024 18:18 utc | 266
Ah, S do not bother. In any case, that WG post was indeed aggressive, based on a wrong assumptions and overly reactive.
I am sure you can put up a good argument and make a peace.
Some American folks, although well spirited, can be overzealous too. In our Euro-Russian eyes, it is nice to know that they are there, but still childish tantrums we read, are revolutionary for them, not us.

Posted by: whirlX | Mar 4 2024 18:48 utc | 270

Posted by: vargas | Mar 3 2024 22:01 utc | 108
Agents provocateurs completely lack imagination, it is always the same rant showing that they do not understand Russia. This missunderstanding is a very good news.

Posted by: Naive | Mar 4 2024 18:58 utc | 271

FYI for anyone intrigued by American football as a metaphor for warfare, I totally recommend the early effort by Don DeLilo, End Zone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_Zone
The story rolls across the pages, dreamlike and surreal.
Spoilers below.

The novel is divided into three sections. In the first, Gary Harkness, the narrator, meets Taft Robinson, Logos College’s first Black football player as well as Major Staley, the teacher of his modern warfare class. This class sparks Gary’s developing obsession with nuclear warfare. Gary begins dating Myrna Corbett and an assistant coach commits suicide just as the crowning game of the season approaches.
The second section is solely a play-by-play retelling of the Big Game itself, where the main thematic content of the novel exists. DeLillo’s disconnected, detached prose focuses the text on certain isolated images and dialogue throughout the game.
The third section surrounds the aftermath of the game as well as the impact of the plane-crash death which kills Logos College’s founder. Gary, filled with ennui after these events, plays a complex war game with Major Staley; the novel’s metaphor of football as warfare is challenged in the line “warfare is warfare.” Taft Robinson admits that he has a morbid interest in the Holocaust which mirror’s Gary’s obsession. The novel ends with Gary being hospitalized for a mental breakdown, his future uncertain.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 4 2024 18:59 utc | 272

Posted by: vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:02 utc | 205
And again I am proved right. Thanks.

Posted by: Naive | Mar 4 2024 18:59 utc | 273

“Stupid and dangerous. Despite the powers of the presidency, he doesn’t understand the constitution of the 5th republic.
Posted by: Stierlitz | Mar 4 2024 13:04 utc | 206
He understands very well the constitution, the problem is that he does not care, he does not respect it at all.
Separation of powers does not exist.
The people are not sovereign.
France is a monarchy where the king is elected.

Posted by: Naive | Mar 4 2024 19:07 utc | 274

FAZ:
MAD-CHEFIN ROSENBERG:Sie muss russische Lauschangriffe abwehren
• VON PETER CARSTENS, BERLIN
• -AKTUALISIERT AM 04.03.2024-19:28
Martina Rosenberg kam einst als Wehrrechtsexpertin ins Amt, nun soll die MAD-Chefin die Spionageabwehr gegen russische Cyberattacken stärken. Ob sie das kann?
„Wiki: Martina Rosenberg (Juristin)
Martina Rosenberg (* 1970 in Frankfurt am Main) ist eine deutsche Juristin. Sie ist seit dem 1. November 2020[1] Präsidentin des Militärischen Abschirmdienstes.
Rosenberg stammt aus Hessen. Nach ihrem Abitur studierte sie von 1990 bis 1996 Rechtswissenschaft an der Georg-August-Universität Göttingen sowie ein Auslandssemester Europarecht an der Katholieke Universiteit Leuven in Belgien. Nach dem Studium folgte das Rechtsreferendariat am Landgericht Kassel, wo sie im März 1999 die Zweite Staatsprüfung ablegte.
Rosenberg übte zunächst eine Honorartätigkeit beim Landeswohlfahrtsverband Hessen aus und war als Wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin beim Niedersächsischen Städte- und Gemeindebund angestellt.
Im Oktober 2000 trat Rosenberg ihren Dienst bei der Bundeswehr als Dezernentin beim Geheimschutzbeauftragten des Streitkräfteamtes in Köln an. Damit wurde sie Beamtin der Bundeswehrverwaltung. Im Anschluss an Verwendungen als Rechtsberaterin in der 7. Panzerdivision in Düsseldorf und Rechtslehrerin an der Offiziersschule der Luftwaffe in Fürstenfeldbruck wurde sie im Juli 2006 Referentin im Bundesministerium der Verteidigung (BMVg).
Nach der anschließenden Tätigkeit als 1. Rechtsberaterin im Kommando Strategische Aufklärung in Grafschaft-Gelsdorf war sie von März 2010 bis Oktober 2013 persönliche Referentin des Abteilungsleiters für Personal-, Sozial- und Zentralangelegenheiten (PSZ) im BMVg. Im Anschluss folgte als Ministerialrätin die Verwendung als Referatsleiterin P II 6 (Beamtenrecht und Gleichstellung) im BMVg in Bonn sowie ab April 2015 des Parlament- und Kabinettreferates im Leitungsstab im BMVg in Berlin.[1] Am 28. Mai 2018 wurde Rosenberg zur Bundeswehrdisziplinaranwältin beim Bundesverwaltungsgericht in Leipzig ernannt.[2]
Am 30. Oktober 2020[3] wurde Rosenberg mit Wirkung zum 1. November 2020 von der damaligen Bundesverteidigungsministerin Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer zur Präsidentin des Militärischen Abschirmdienstes ernannt. Sie trat die Nachfolge von Christof Gramm an, der in den einstweiligen Ruhestand versetzt wurde. Rosenberg ist die erste Frau, die einen Nachrichtendienst des Bundes leitet.“
Ob sie das kann ?
Wo sollte sie es denn gelernt haben ?
FAZ:
MAD CHIEF ROSENBERG: She has to fend off Russian eavesdropping attacks
• BY PETER CARSTENS, BERLIN
Martina Rosenberg once came to office as a military law expert, and now the MAD boss is supposed to strengthen counterintelligence against Russian cyberattacks. Can she do that?
“Wiki: Martina Rosenberg (lawyer)
Martina Rosenberg (* 1970 in Frankfurt am Main) is a German lawyer. She has been President of the Military Counterintelligence Service since November 1, 2020[1].
Rosenberg comes from Hesse. After graduating from high school, she studied law at the Georg-August University in Göttingen from 1990 to 1996 and spent a semester abroad studying European law at the Katholieke Universiteit Leuven in Belgium. After completing her studies, she completed her legal traineeship at the Kassel Regional Court, where she passed the second state examination in March 1999.
Rosenberg initially worked as a freelancer at the Hesse State Welfare Association and was employed as a research assistant at the Lower Saxony Association of Cities and Municipalities.
In October 2000, Rosenberg began her service in the Bundeswehr as a department head for the Secret Protection Officer at the Armed Forces Office in Cologne. She thus became a civil servant in the Bundeswehr administration. After working as a legal advisor in the 7th Panzer Division in Düsseldorf and a law teacher at the Air Force Officers’ School in Fürstenfeldbruck, she became a consultant at the Federal Ministry of Defense (BMVg) in July 2006.
After subsequently working as first legal advisor in the Strategic Reconnaissance Command in Grafschaft-Gelsdorf, she was personal advisor to the head of the department for human resources, social and central affairs (PSZ) in the BMVg from March 2010 to October 2013. This was followed by a position as Ministerial Councilor as Head of Department P II 6 (Civil Law and Equality) in the BMVg in Bonn and, from April 2015, in the Parliamentary and Cabinet Department in the management staff at the BMVg in Berlin.[1] On May 28, 2018, Rosenberg was appointed Bundeswehr disciplinary lawyer at the Federal Administrative Court in Leipzig.[2]
On October 30, 2020[3], Rosenberg was appointed President of the Military Counterintelligence Service by the then Federal Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer with effect from November 1, 2020. She succeeded Christof Gramm, who was temporarily retired. Rosenberg is the first woman to head a federal intelligence service.”
Can she do that?
Where should she have learned it ?

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 4 2024 19:08 utc | 275

for German-speakers:
Jacques Baud 45 min. conversation (not extraordinary but still worth the time)
https://overton-magazin.de/dialog/die-deutsche-regierung-besteht-heute-aus-fanatikern/

Posted by: AG | Mar 4 2024 19:55 utc | 276

There is a marvellous short narrative between the Indians: when the human is really bad, the avatar
Appear to make you feel: your really problem, I Am what you need to be. Be It. Meanwhile you are not aware, engage in your life.

Posted by: Txe | Mar 4 2024 19:56 utc | 277

EU is fearful and desperate. EU is completely OVER INVESTED in Ukraine, which is crumbling, and they are in panic mode. Ukraine and Gaza are bringing down existing political power structures in Europe and the west.
What Macron in fact was thinking when he said to put Nato troops in Ukraine was the idea of trip-wire. That will not work.
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/europe-is-fearful-and-desperate

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2024 20:14 utc | 278

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 4 2024 19:08 utc | 275
All of your mythology, that you come from the spirits confused in this Universe of the One, and you came as different (you are a vyria, am a pasu) is fantasy: the pasu are you. You confuse the metáfora : to be a vira (an héroe) is to understand who the fuck are you: live to make live

Posted by: Txe | Mar 4 2024 20:21 utc | 279

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Front #Summary for 4 Mar 2024 by 19:25⚡️
🔻#Kherson Direction:
🟡In the #Kherson Sector, our aviation is hitting the “dachas” area near #Antonovsky Bridge. Two AFU UAV control points in the #Antonovka area were hit.
🟡In the #Tyaginka Sector, they also hit positions in #Krynki and Cossack Camps.
📌 The AFU activity on the right bank has increased. They are again trying to deliver reserves to the springboards.
🔻#Zaporozhye Direction:
🟡In the #Orekhov Section, at #Rabotino, our army is attacking the AFU positions with the support of armored vehicles. One important stronghold was hit by tank crews. The AFU are actively snapping back. There are swarms of drones in the sky, and they have a lot of reserves. According to field reports, the enemy manages to hold back the advance of our army.
🔻#SouthDonetsk Direction:
🟡In the #Maryinka Sector, our forces advanced into the centre of #Novomikhaylovka from the southern outskirts. Our pressure continues from the eastern and northeastern sides. The operation to liberate #Krasnogorovka is also ongoing. The AFU counterattacks locally, but unsuccessfully. Our aviation and heavy artillery are actively working.
📌 #Novomikhaylovka is of strategic importance for the AFU, its loss puts the AFU Ugledar Group at serious risk. Therefore, the enemy clings to every house, but ours are still conducting a systematic offensive.
🔻#Avdeyevka Direction:
🟡In the #Orlovka Sector, the enemy continues to restrain our offensive on the #Berdychi – #Orlovka – #Tonenkoye line. The AFU use all reserves for this, while trying to prepare new lines of defence.
📌 Numerical superiority decides a lot. If our army manages to restore it, and at several points at once, the AFU will, firstly, not have time to dig in thoroughly west of #Avdeyevka, and secondly, they will not have reserves to dispose, the forces will be needed everywhere and at once.
🔻#Bakhmut Direction:
🟡In the #ChasovYar Sector, our attacks continue in #Ivanovskoye (#Krasnoye), but so far the frontline has not changed. In #Bogdanovka, Ukrainian troops are resisting very stubbornly.
🔻#Svatovo Direction:
🟡In the #Seversk Sector, our army advanced to the eastern outskirts of #Belogorovka. So far, without serious success, but with the preservation of the initiative.
🟡In the #Liman Sector, there are oncoming battles at #Terny and #Yampolovka.
🟡In the #Kupyansk Sector, at #Tabayevka and #Sinkovka.
☠️ In the Samara region, in the morning, a support for a railway bridge was blown up, and two undetonated improvised explosive devices were found there. Fortunately, there were no casualties or serious damage. Ukrainian intelligence took responsibility for the sabotage.

https://t.me/sitreports/23997

Posted by: Down South | Mar 4 2024 20:21 utc | 280

I think the situation with US money printing is far more radical than almost anyone realizes. I believe they could have $100 trillion national debt and trillions a year in interest payments and it makes no difference. If a balloon deflates, you can inflate back to where it was, so bank failures don’t trigger inflation either. As long as the government doesn’t dump lots of cash into the public’s hands, inflation stays low – just like Japan, which has low interest rates in spite of huge debt.
That’s short term. However, social decay in the US CAN create serious inflation because people get money for little or nothing and so productivity declines and prices go up. People have to ‘bid’ on whatever’s available. I think we are seeing this especially in services. Not enough nurses or aircraft mechanics or police or military recruits – so they must be paid more – or else.

Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 4 2024 20:22 utc | 281

Our sources in the OP said that the Office of the President set the task for officials/deputies/security forces to achieve the closure of opposition telegram channels that influence the country’s information space.
For Bankova, the main problem is two channels where all information from government offices is constantly being leaked, which is why it is so important to block Legitimate and Resident.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/21898

Posted by: Down South | Mar 4 2024 20:26 utc | 282

There are many Men who thing that you are less than they wait for you

Posted by: Txe | Mar 4 2024 20:26 utc | 283

Why there are 10+ RAF Typhoons up in the air above North England and why is British Government plane Airbus KC2 Voyager cycling above the North Sea 50 km East of Edinburgh?

Posted by: whirlX | Mar 4 2024 20:26 utc | 284

Posted by: whirlX | Mar 4 2024 20:26 utc | 284
Sorry.
I’m in the specie.

Posted by: Txe | Mar 4 2024 20:29 utc | 285

Isn’t behavior of German Air Force generals and the subsequent reaction of German government a nice example of the western irrationality. These people are obviously far from reality.
For them, starting a nuclear war would be nothing.
So, III world war is a matter of “when” not “if”.

Posted by: vargas | Mar 4 2024 20:47 utc | 286

whirlX | Mar 4 2024 20:26 utc | 284
*** Why there are 10+ RAF Typhoons up in the air above North England and why is British Government plane Airbus KC2 Voyager cycling above the North Sea 50 km East of Edinburgh? ***
Maybe they’ve found the secret tunnel dug from North Korea?

Posted by: Cynic | Mar 4 2024 21:05 utc | 287

Posted by: whirlX | Mar 4 2024 20:26 utc | 284
Packman effect.
They will translated in kamchakta and they will nuke something.
The, using Packman effect in reverse, they will return where they started.
Plausible denialiby on steroids. 😉

Posted by: Mario | Mar 4 2024 21:11 utc | 288

@whirlX #257:

Zhirinovsky (Eidelshtein), a Ukrainian semi-Jew, but not from his mother’s side

Zhirinovskiy’s father, Wolf Eidelstein, was a Jew born in 1907 in the town of Kostopol, in the Volyn Governorate of the Russian Empire. Jews have been living in Volhynia since the Middle Ages. After the 1918 Austro–German occupation, the Russian Civil War and the Polish–Soviet War that ended with the signing of the 1921 Treaty of Riga, Kostopol ended up in Poland. Wolf studied commerce and agriculture at the University of Grenoble, then returned home. So he spent his formative years in interwar Poland and France. He spoke Russian, Polish and French. Wolf and his younger brother Aaron have survived only because the Soviet Union returned West Ukraine in 1939 and evacuated or deported (sources differ) these two to the Kazakh SSR. All other Eidelsteins were killed by the Nazis in August 1941. Wolf was deported back to Poland in April 1946, the same month Zhirinovskiy was born. Zhirinovskiy never met him.
Zhirinovskiy’s mother, Aleksandra Zhirinovskaya (neé Makarova), was a Russian born in 1912 in the village of Laushki, in the Penza Governorate of the Russian Empire. She spoke Russian.
How do you deduce from this that Zhirinovskiy was “Ukrainian,” I have no idea. Shouldn’t you consider him “Kazakh,” since he grew up in Alma-Ata? Seriously, though, Zhirinovskiy was Russian. He never met his Jewish father, his mother was Russian, his five half-siblings from his mother’s previous marriage were Russian (their father, Andrey Zhirinovskiy, was Russian). There was nothing Jewish, let alone Ukrainian, in the environment he grew up in. Not much Kazakh, either: in 1959, when Zhirinovskiy was 13, Alma-Ata’s population was 73% Russian, 9% Kazakh.

Posted by: S | Mar 4 2024 21:12 utc | 289

Posted by: Vargas | Mar 4 2024 13:58 utc | 216
It’s really simple Vargas.when the rest of the world quits believing in the myth of U.S.A. dollar and military supremacy, then no one will trade the goods they produced for a wad of worthless paper.
Forget all the financial PHD talk, it’s all pile it high and deep. Keep it simple.
We don’t want your worthless money and weapons. So get the f_ck out of our country and don’t let the screen door hit your ass on the way out.
Posted by: Morongobill | Mar 4 2024 15:23 utc | 239
Your answer was much more eloquent than mine.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 21:13 utc | 290

Re the Resident piece quoted by down south. Ukraine presidential elections should be occurring on 24th march, 3 weeks away but Zelensky canceled them.
Looks to be a major operation underway to shut down any dissent in Ukraine once their president has outlived his term.
With the losses at the frontline, plus an illegitimate president… fertile grounds for revolution/coup. MI6 may be struggling to keep their asset in power.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 4 2024 21:17 utc | 291

Why there are 10+ RAF Typhoons up in the air above North England and why is British Government plane Airbus KC2 Voyager cycling above the North Sea 50 km East of Edinburgh?
Posted by: whirlX | Mar 4 2024 20:26 utc | 284
Almost certainly part of the ‘largest exercises since the Cold War’ now underway or about to start all over the north and east of NATO.

Posted by: JohninMK | Mar 4 2024 21:23 utc | 292

Canadian ChatNSDAP bot: “Your analogy is specious; in American football the ‘whole point’ is to score.”
Retard doesn’t realize that American football is a metaphor for a simple-minded conception of war.
The football is just a marker for territory, with the “line of scrimmage” the border between the two sides. That is why it is a violation to cross into “enemy territory” (cross the line of scrimmage) before combat is declared (the ball is “snapped”). The “score” the moronic bot fixates on only comes from moving the ball (territory marker) into the opponent’s “end zone”, in other words capturing all of the territory of the field (all 100 yards), or by kicking the territory marker (football) through the enemy goalposts (metaphor for a decapitation strike). In all cases the ball (territory marker) must be moved such that the “enemy” no longer has any territory in order for points to be awarded.
The ignorant bot assumes the amount of yardage captured in a given play somehow makes a difference in the combat metaphor of the game. So simple-minded.
Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 4 2024 16:19 utc | 251
Your analogy would be appropriate if the first touchdown would win the game; or, conversely, in the old NFL rule when in overtime the first team to score (touchdown, safety or field goal)would win but that rule was repealed 4 years ago such now that in overtime it is team that has the most points in the 15 minute overtime period not the first scorer..
Scoring the first touchdown, or a touchdown does not win a game.
Anyways, its quite apparent you used an awkward analogy to describe your Russian SMO strategy to the serfs-but I do sympathize, it must be quite difficult as well as frustrating for a genius Professor to explain complex ideas to morons.
Thank you for trying.
That’s not the way it works

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 21:24 utc | 293

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 16:16 utc | 249

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War
A small thing. They merely executed the king and drove out the royalist nobility. 🙂 Still, it is ancient history.
Posted by: john brewster | Mar 4 2024 15:25 utc | 241
That was an intra-elite fight.


There was a lot more than inter-elite going on. You had Levelers who were a significant fraction of the New Model Army, and evenutally had to be put down by Cromwell by force of arms.

The Levellers were a political movement active during the Wars of the Three Kingdoms who were committed to popular sovereignty, extended suffrage, equality before the law and religious tolerance. The hallmark of Leveller thought was its populism, as shown by its emphasis on equal natural rights, and their practice of reaching the public through pamphlets, petitions and vocal appeals to the crowd.
“>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levellers

As usual with revolutionary movements, there were schisms which greatly weakened the cause.

The Diggers were a group of religious and political dissidents in England, associated with agrarian socialism.Gerrard Winstanley and William Everard, amongst many others, were known as True Levellers in 1649, in reference to their split from the Levellers, and later became known as Diggers because of their attempts to farm on common land.
The Diggers tried (by “levelling” land) to reform the existing social order with an agrarian lifestyle based on their ideas for the creation of small, egalitarian rural communities. They were one of a number of nonconformist dissenting groups that emerged around this time.
“>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diggers

So, while the broader fight was between nobles, there was a lot of peasant, agrarian unrest which had to be dealt with mby force.
IMHO, the English Civil War had some characteristics of peasant revolts, even if the rebels were talky instead of shooty.

Posted by: john brewster | Mar 4 2024 21:40 utc | 294

FYI – the Lord of War TG channel is reporting that the Bundeswehr head of cyber security is a transgender Lieutenant Colonel calling himself Anastasia Bifang.
https://t.me/llordofwar/301203

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 4 2024 21:52 utc | 295

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 15:09 utc | 233
While I agree that the British population has been engineered to be supine – by shipping all the criminals and “troublemakers” to the colonies (especially Austrailia; there is one dustup later than 1605. The civil war betweem 1642 and 1651.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War
A small thing. They merely executed the king and drove out the royalist nobility. 🙂 Still, it is ancient history.
Posted by: john brewster | Mar 4 2024 15:25 utc | 241
Correct.
I was a moron for not recognizing that fact.
I do have a blind spot for Crowell as he murdered many of my Irish countrymen in the 1650’s so perhaps ‘repression’ clouded my mind.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 21:52 utc | 296

“canuck@243…..but it is not football, or soccer, or cricket….it’s killing, death, body bits, lots of blood, MMA, not even close……pick any sport and replace the puck, shuttle or ball with a live hand grenade, pin pulled, now you’re in the game…..of Life and Death.
Cheers M”
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 4 2024 16:02 utc | 248
No, sean, military affairs are a game as well and played as such; perhaps that is tragic and immoral but that’s reality

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 21:54 utc | 297

No, sean, military affairs are a game as well and played as such; perhaps that is tragic and immoral but that’s reality
Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 21:54 utc | 297
Critical for survival. As Putin says, emotions must be put aside when making decisions.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 4 2024 22:00 utc | 298

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 21:52 utc | 296

I was a moron for not recognizing that fact.

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Please don’t beat yourself up on my account. The claim is arguable, as shadowbanned has shown.
As a diaspora Irishman, I also have no love for Cromwell. However, the Parliamentary rebellion against the king did distract the ruling class so much that a lot of peasant anger had room to surface. I discussed Levellers and Diggers in my #294 response to shadowbanned, I left out the ranters:

The Ranters were one of a number of dissenting groups that emerged around the time of the Commonwealth of England (1649–1660). They were largely common people, and the movement was widespread throughout England, though they were not organised and had no leader.[citation needed]
The chaos of the Second English Civil War, the execution of King Charles I, and the animosity between the Presbyterians and Independents during the era of the Commonwealth gave rise to many sectarian groups that attempted to make sense of their society and place within that society. The Ranters were one such group. They were regarded as heretical by the established Church and seem to have been regarded by the government as a threat to social order. The quote “…the bishops, Charles and the Lords have had their turn, overturn, so your turn shall be next…”, published in a Ranter pamphlet, no doubt caused some concern in the halls of power. The Ranters denied the authority of churches, of Scripture, of the current ministry and of services, instead calling on men to listen to the divine within them. In many ways they resemble the 14th century Brethren of the Free Spirit. In fact, they were causing such controversy, that by the early 1650s multiple anti-Ranter pamphlets were circulating throughout Britain.

Posted by: john brewster | Mar 4 2024 22:02 utc | 299

Posted by: canuck | Mar 4 2024 21:24 utc | 293
You are wrong.
War does indeed end at the first, and unique touchdown.
If you have multiple touchdown war did not end.
Anyway, if and when the opponent loose most of not all of the players, you can score all the touchdowns you want.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 4 2024 22:04 utc | 300