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March 3, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-067
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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@rgl | Mar 3 2024 21:15 utc | 96 Posted by: Lurk | Mar 3 2024 21:43 utc | 101 Republicofscotland | Mar 3 2024 15:44 utc | 7 Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Mar 3 2024 21:47 utc | 102 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 21:35 utc | 100 Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 3 2024 21:51 utc | 103 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 19:41 utc | 70 Posted by: Milites | Mar 3 2024 21:56 utc | 104 by Lurk | Mar 3 2024 21:43 utc | 101 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 21:56 utc | 105 Shadowbanned, your vapid attempts to appear to provide substance to your concern trolling only makes you look more trifle and irrelevant. Posted by: Lurk | Mar 3 2024 21:57 utc | 106 The French deliver Scalp missiles to Ukraine in Audi Q7 SUVs, and the British deliver them in Ridgeback armored vehicles. Posted by: Hankster | Mar 3 2024 21:59 utc | 107 Shadowbanned is unfortunatelly right. Posted by: vargas | Mar 3 2024 22:01 utc | 108
Basically sending in troops to act as bait. If Russia annihilates them with missiles, then France does what? Send in its army to teach Russia a lesson? And if Russia responds with force against France’s puny army, then what? Looks more like a strategic dilemma for France. Is Macron that crazy? Posted by: Mike R | Mar 3 2024 22:02 utc | 109 Dima said RU controls half of Berdychi, but this was due to AFU committing more counter-attacks to hold it. But that is pretty wasteful. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 22:06 utc | 110
Earlier today there was a discussion about how one of the planned deployments is along the Belarus border. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 3 2024 22:07 utc | 111
Earlier today there was a discussion about how one of the planned deployments is along the Belarus border. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 3 2024 22:07 utc | 112 There are dark times for Russia coming. Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 3 2024 22:13 utc | 113 Posted by: Lurk | Mar 3 2024 20:32 utc | 83 Posted by: kvp | Mar 3 2024 22:20 utc | 114 It seems Ukraine has lost hope in winning a war, and instead focuses on having a 30-second clip ready for US and EU prime news every day. Posted by: Passerby | Mar 3 2024 22:25 utc | 115 HERMIUS@113….ah, a Catch 22 situation playing a hybrid game of Russian Roulette Mexican Stand Off….surely it ends well for all involved. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 3 2024 22:29 utc | 116
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 3 2024 20:41 utc | 86 Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 3 2024 22:29 utc | 117 “British tankers might be the best way to respond Britain sinking Russian ships.” Posted by: Jason | Mar 3 2024 22:31 utc | 118 The West is apparently ready to take Kaliningrad. Posted by: James M. | Mar 3 2024 22:32 utc | 119 by Milites | Mar 3 2024 21:56 utc | 104 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 22:41 utc | 120 Comandante @12 Posted by: Soviético | Mar 3 2024 22:42 utc | 121 by kvp | Mar 3 2024 22:20 utc | 114 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 22:50 utc | 122 “All the analysts who warned about these developments, (since 2014+), including the problem of low shell production and reduced inventories, were ignored or co-opted into justifying ever-high tech solutions.”
You seem to forget that just 2 short years ago Russia was a gas station with nuclear weapons and an economy the size of Italy and nuclear level sanctions were supposed to be the nail in Putins coffin. Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 3 2024 23:01 utc | 124 @ Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 3 2024 20:39 utc | 85 Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 3 2024 23:10 utc | 125 Gotta love this: Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 23:13 utc | 126
I am well aware, but you see how 80 years later it is all starting once again. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 3 2024 23:14 utc | 127 CIA base located and destroyed in Sumy along with 8 officers. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 23:24 utc | 128 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 23:24 utc | 128 Posted by: Grishka | Mar 3 2024 23:33 utc | 129 by shаdοwbanned | Mar 3 2024 23:14 utc | 127 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 23:35 utc | 130 then Putin, who is propagating that Russia is defending itself in Ukraine, the problem of showing weakness and just being stupid if nothing is done about it. Posted by: Naive | Mar 3 2024 23:38 utc | 131 So what is the long-term solution from Russian perspective? Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 3 2024 23:43 utc | 132 reply to 102 Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 3 2024 23:45 utc | 133 Is Macron that crazy? Posted by: Naive | Mar 3 2024 23:49 utc | 134 whirlX | Mar 3 2024 21:01 utc | 93 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 23:49 utc | 135 Lurk @ 101
Why? The British people will do that themselves soon enough. Pitchforks being sharpened, torches being lit. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 4 2024 0:02 utc | 136 Russia gained 138 square kilometers in Ukraine in FEB. That is +0.02% or two ten-thousandths of the country. Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 4 2024 0:09 utc | 137 It seems that if France wants to send troops to Ukraine, they will have to do it through Romania. Poland is blocking the border with Ukraine to everything, not just grain. I think the evidence is mounting that the Poles are coming to an understanding with Russia about Lvov. Posted by: Honzo | Mar 4 2024 0:17 utc | 138
When was the last time the British people did anything like that? Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 0:24 utc | 139 whirlX | Mar 3 2024 21:01 utc | 93 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 4 2024 0:26 utc | 140 Posted by: Honzo | Mar 4 2024 0:17 utc | 138 Posted by: James M. | Mar 4 2024 0:29 utc | 141
Dropping an iron curtain doesn’t really work without the cooperation of the other side in the era of long-range standoff weapons.
The vast majority of Russian industry is still there. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 0:35 utc | 142 Just something to keep in perspective, with all the hooting about UFA routed and the like. When you zoom out the map, it is still very small. Still VERY far from “Dnieper as the line of defense” talk. Posted by: James M. | Mar 4 2024 0:39 utc | 143 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 23:49 utc | 135 Posted by: Milites | Mar 4 2024 0:51 utc | 144 Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 4 2024 0:09 utc | 137 Posted by: Milites | Mar 4 2024 0:56 utc | 145 Just something to keep in perspective, with all the hooting about UFA routed and the like. When you zoom out the map, it is still very small. Still VERY far from “Dnieper as the line of defense” talk. Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 4 2024 0:56 utc | 146 Milites | Mar 4 2024 0:51 utc | 144 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 4 2024 1:07 utc | 147 shаdοwbanned @ 139
When was the last time the UK collapsed? Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 4 2024 1:14 utc | 148 “If one has been following, every single thing AFU has done pretty much since the beginning is try to create media events, claims or optical illusions that either ‘Russia attacked Nato’ (S-300 fell in Poland), Nato attacked Russia (drone coming over gulf of Finland), Russia attack Nato (drone debris fell into Romania), and now these drone events in Pskov and St. Petersburg. Posted by: English Outsider | Mar 4 2024 1:35 utc | 149 It’s so hip and trendy to get sent to the meatgrinder and die for your globalist masters…It’s in Vogue.. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 4 2024 1:40 utc | 150 @ Anonymous | Mar 4 2024 0:09 utc | 137 Posted by: boneless | Mar 4 2024 1:47 utc | 152 @147 Posted by: GW | Mar 4 2024 1:56 utc | 153 Poland’s military could be selfishly helpful. They, too, realize how hard the wind is blowing against Ukraine. The more the merrier? Posted by: Elmagnostic | Mar 4 2024 1:57 utc | 154
Life for the average person in the UK was absolutely appalling for almost all of the period between 1450 and now except for the last 70-80 years. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 2:09 utc | 155 Regarding the Russians publishing the phone call about the Germans attacking the Crimean Bridge and or some specific ammunition storage locations in the area. Posted by: Hot Carl | Mar 4 2024 2:22 utc | 156 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 4 2024 2:09 utc | 155
And replaced them with… Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 4 2024 2:24 utc | 157 Posted by: Ed4 | Mar 3 2024 15:03 utc | 1 Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 4 2024 2:32 utc | 158 Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 4 2024 2:32 utc | 158 Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 4 2024 2:36 utc | 159 The Bridge represents a symbol for Russia. Destroying it doesn’t demoralise the russian people or weaken the government. It merely gives them the motivation to win this conflict. Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 4 2024 2:39 utc | 160 Monnie @66 Posted by: Soviético | Mar 4 2024 2:46 utc | 161 Those barflies that come here and say that Russian success is measured in land taken need to go back and read the Russian intention of the SMO. Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 4 2024 2:55 utc | 162
The upheaval in the Middle East may ensure that the US does not get directly involved in Ukraine. The PTB in the US may have considered the possibility that if the US commits to Ukraine directly, then Iran may see a vacuum created as an opportunity to get more aggressive in their region. Maybe the relatively saner minds in Washington have convinced the senile one that the US really can’t handle two, and definitely not three wars simultaneously, and the top priority is Israel. Europe is on its own and they are freaking out. Posted by: Mike R | Mar 4 2024 2:55 utc | 163 Justpassinby@58….we’ve all heard the rumours, have you evidence and irregular militias are not the same as troops under NATO command, you know that. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 4 2024 3:00 utc | 164 On the contrary, it puts the west in a dilemma. If it decides to attack Kaliningrad, it runs the risk of a nuclear exchange. Its the wests choice…not Russias. Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 4 2024 3:10 utc | 165 sean the leprechaun | Mar 4 2024 3:00 utc | 164 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 4 2024 3:20 utc | 166 In response to some posters saying that Ukraines only strategy is to lure NATO in to the war: Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 4 2024 3:46 utc | 167
There weren’t standoff weapons during the cold war? North and South Korea don’t have standoff weapons? You seal the border and have a 5km cleared no mans land where you shoot everything that moves.
Proton Rocket engines are made in Perm. Soyuz production facility is located in Samara. Don’t mistake headquarters, design bureaus or branch plant locations for the production facilities of Russian weapons. They started locating them east of the Urals with the German invasion in ’41. They continued with this sensible strategy throughout the cold war. Obviously companies west of the Volga make things the Russian military use but you won’t for example see a military aircraft factory or a heavy forging press … shit the USA really wants to bomb. You build it in the mountains and you build them far apart to survive a nuclear war. Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 4 2024 3:55 utc | 168 Also the Houthis have sent that UK destroyer running back to Europe after hitting it with drones. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 4 2024 4:09 utc | 169 Russia should declare all Western patents, copyrights,and trademarks null and void. Posted by: Martina | Mar 4 2024 4:19 utc | 170 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 3 2024 18:55 utc | 57 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 4 2024 4:28 utc | 171 That’s the issue right, for people who think NATO troops in Ukraine are inevitable. Slovakian and Hungarian leaders are opposed to the idea, and Poland has blocked the border. So that leaves only Romania, which does have elections later this year. So we’ll see. Posted by: Honzo | Mar 4 2024 4:35 utc | 172 Moldova. Posted by: Honzo | Mar 4 2024 4:36 utc | 173 Posted by: Honzo | Mar 4 2024 4:35 utc | 172 Posted by: James M. | Mar 4 2024 4:51 utc | 174 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 21:35 utc | 100 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 4 2024 4:56 utc | 175
https://twitter.com/MikaelValterss1/status/1764444559491141632 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2024 5:00 utc | 176
Posted by: too scents | Mar 4 2024 5:58 utc | 178 @ shadowbanned 38. Posted by: Judge Barbier | Mar 4 2024 6:39 utc | 179 Anonymous | Mar 4 2024 0:09 utc | 137 Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 4 2024 6:54 utc | 180 You have to be able to keep the people you already control satisfied before trying to assimilate more and as we know the Soviets had already bitten off more then they could swallow as it was. Posted by: jpc | Mar 4 2024 8:28 utc | 181 Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 4 2024 6:54 utc | 180 Posted by: Martina | Mar 4 2024 9:07 utc | 182 Weapons, ordnance, armor, supplies, logistics, support? Posted by: rk | Mar 4 2024 9:14 utc | 183 Posted by: Martina | Mar 4 2024 9:07 utc | 182 Posted by: Mario | Mar 4 2024 9:21 utc | 184 Over the last few days things have clearly escalated to uncharted territory. Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Mar 4 2024 9:24 utc | 185
The West thinks that Russia would not dare to use nuclear weapons. Posted by: vargas | Mar 4 2024 9:32 utc | 186 Russia seems to have no response except … Posted by: too scents | Mar 4 2024 9:32 utc | 187 Posted by: too scents | Mar 4 2024 9:32 utc | 187 Posted by: kspr | Mar 4 2024 9:50 utc | 188 Because territory is something tangible. Everything else is not – and, therefore, harder to understand. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 4 2024 9:57 utc | 189
Note the “again”. Posted by: Passerby | Mar 4 2024 10:01 utc | 190 So please, source of your quote, I can read German and so does B. Posted by: Ossi | Mar 4 2024 10:16 utc | 191 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 4 2024 9:57 utc | 189 Posted by: Martina | Mar 4 2024 10:24 utc | 192 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 19:41 utc | 70 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 4 2024 10:51 utc | 193 Posted by: Ossi | Mar 4 2024 10:16 utc | 191 Posted by: Passerby | Mar 4 2024 11:02 utc | 194 Breaking! What will the end game look like: Posted by: blueswede | Mar 4 2024 11:18 utc | 195 But the advantage is that the leak strengthens Russians in their belief that Germany cannot be trusted, makes the gap between Germany and Russia bigger, and makes it more difficult for Germany to have a normal trade relationship with Russia after the war. Posted by: jpc | Mar 4 2024 11:26 utc | 196 Posted by: Lurk | Mar 3 2024 15:37 utc | 4
Maybe not treason, but violation of other laws such as section 13 of the International Criminal Code: Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 4 2024 11:27 utc | 197 Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 3 2024 19:43 utc | 71
Agree, and very good characterization: “hysterical female Western politicians”. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 4 2024 11:30 utc | 198 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 3 2024 9:59 utc | 235
you are simply lying
Posted by: ghiwen | Mar 4 2024 11:54 utc | 199 The latest rumor is that someone just dialed into the webex. I know in te workplace, it’s common to join by computer for the video or slideshow. But also to join by phone for better audio. With two different locations, one in a foreign hotel and the other in a fancy meeting room, they probably just ignored the extra, silent, participant, which just showed as a phone number. Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 4 2024 12:01 utc | 200 |
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