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March 3, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-067
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Rather than following the fantasy numbers published by Ukraine for Russian casualties, I have tracked Mediazona’s number for the 5 weeks that have days in January 2023 every few months since then. Posted by: Ed4 | Mar 3 2024 15:03 utc | 1 Or it may be that the interests which NATO serves is hinting at leaving the sceptical US behind. Posted by: jared | Mar 3 2024 15:08 utc | 2 On top of the planned German Taurus missile attack on the Kerch/Crimea bridge we have this. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 3 2024 15:30 utc | 3 Hey b, no separate topic on the eavesdropped Luftwaffe oficers discussing the deplyment of Taurus cruise missiles? I’m kind of surprised since it’s a big scandal in many ways. Posted by: Lurk | Mar 3 2024 15:37 utc | 4 Posted by: Lurk | Mar 3 2024 15:37 utc | 4 Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Mar 3 2024 15:41 utc | 5 Ed4@1….no offense, but so many people focus on the death count, on both sides, I find it a little ghoulish. And I’m not sure of the need to know, is it like a drive by gawk, or maybe a ‘liar liar pants on fire’ if the numbers are wrong, fudged, like specific post WW2 death counts for a specific group of people. Russia lost millions during the last take over attempt, what’s a few hundred thousands deaths to protect your assets this time around….that is what the Western Oligarchs want. It’s always about the Mammon and who was given the right by God to control that. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 3 2024 15:42 utc | 6 So Genocide Joe Biden ups the sanctions on the RF, all 27 EU countries agrred to up sanctions as well aloneg with the uk Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 3 2024 15:44 utc | 7
“all wars are bankster wars.” Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 3 2024 15:49 utc | 8 Lurk@4….it was a stroke Military Diplomatic genius…. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 3 2024 15:50 utc | 9 An update on the Taurus leak. The following argument currently makes the most sense. Russia – like other countries – will have a great many recordings of Germany and others. Anything else would be strange in view of professional intelligence services. This only raises the question: why was this conversation published now of all times? Posted by: xblob | Mar 3 2024 15:56 utc | 10 In case you missed it, German state TV for kids – ZDF Kinderkanal (KIKA) – tells our kids it’s good to send Taurus sooner to UA better than later. Even the Scholz blaming has its place here. Posted by: Tortuosit | Mar 3 2024 16:03 utc | 11 As I mentioned before. Russia leaked the call because they view the massive attack on Crimea and the bridge as imminent. Posted by: Comandante | Mar 3 2024 16:04 utc | 12 >Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 3 2024 15:42 utc | 6 Posted by: anonposter | Mar 3 2024 16:06 utc | 13 2Plus 4 contract from 1990 Posted by: Ossi | Mar 3 2024 16:07 utc | 14 “In this case, Russia would have to assume a de facto act of war if countries such as the UK were actively involved in the sinking of Russian warships. This is apparently now a thing of the past. For Germany at least, this was something of a “yellow card”: If the Crimean bridge were now actually destroyed with Taurus missiles, Russia would automatically be at war with Germany. And Germany would not be able to invoke NATO Article 5, as this only applies if the NATO country in question is attacked and does not attack itself. Some interesting posts on current Ukrainian naval drones:
Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 3 2024 16:17 utc | 16 Ukraine Weekly Update, 1st March 2024: May be Useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-cc1 Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Mar 3 2024 16:18 utc | 17 Posted by: xblob | Mar 3 2024 15:56 utc | 10 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 16:19 utc | 18 @ 10 Posted by: go;ddigger | Mar 3 2024 16:21 utc | 19 The conversation of German generals that was intercepted and also confirmed. Posted by: ossi | Mar 3 2024 16:24 utc | 20 https://t.me/milinfolive/117593
Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 3 2024 16:27 utc | 21 Currently, Poseidon P-8A in its usual position over the Romanian Black Sea coast and FORTE10 Global Hawk also circling about 70 Nm below Yalta, Crimea. Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 16:30 utc | 22 The Germans didn’t leak that conversation. That’s the kind of 4D chess that Internet commenters believe in. There is useful intel in that conversation, even though it was just discussion of a potential mission, in the limitations of the various missile systems, and the support/training for them. Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 3 2024 16:33 utc | 23 Posted by: ossi | Mar 3 2024 16:24 utc | 20 Posted by: Morongobill | Mar 3 2024 16:36 utc | 24 by Morongobill | Mar 3 2024 16:36 utc | 24
Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 16:45 utc | 25 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 16:30 utc | 22 Posted by: Mario | Mar 3 2024 16:46 utc | 26
https://t.me/MediaKiller2021/11738
https://t.me/rezident_ua/21881
Posted by: Down South | Mar 3 2024 17:22 utc | 27 Over the last few days things have clearly escalated to uncharted territory. Posted by: Comandante | Mar 3 2024 17:24 utc | 28 Germany was accused of complicity in genocide at the International Court of Justice Posted by: Ossi | Mar 3 2024 17:25 utc | 29
Posted by: Down South | Mar 3 2024 17:27 utc | 30 Posted by: Comandante | Mar 3 2024 17:24 utc | 28 Posted by: Mario | Mar 3 2024 17:30 utc | 31 “…Put down the Q-anon crack pipe.” Posted by: bevin | Mar 3 2024 17:31 utc | 32 Posted by: Morongobill | Mar 3 2024 16:36 utc | 24 Posted by: Ossi | Mar 3 2024 17:33 utc | 33 Morongobill@24….the issue with, for lack of a better word, ‘crazy people’, is they don’t know they are crazy, and with how the western leaders speak out of both sides of their mouths with forked tongues, they are stark raving mad. Insane lunatics. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 3 2024 17:34 utc | 34 Headline from TASS:
Such attempts at disruption aren’t new, but I hadn’t realized that the aforementioned chairperson has the same surname (and the same forename except for one added phoneme) as the Director of Communication and Press for Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Does anyone know whether they’re related? Posted by: David Levin | Mar 3 2024 17:35 utc | 35 according to telegram channel, https://t.me/s/ZandVchannel Canada is now willing to send “non combat troops” to Ukraine for training purposes.. Seems like more and more “trial balloons” are being sent up. IMHO, it’s because of the dire straits the AFU finds itself in. I believe, sadly, that NATo forces will be sent into Ukraine as “peace keepers”, non combat role. Possibly some of the NATO troops involved in those exercises will sent in. There was speculation that they would guard the border of Ukraine and Belarus, freeing up 100,00 + Ukies to be sent to the front lines. I really hope this doesn’t happen, but if it does, Russia needs to hammer any foreign troops hard no matter where they are or what they are doing.. Posted by: ctiger | Mar 3 2024 17:39 utc | 36 Here, an expert on the French scene talks for 10 minutes and 1 second about Macron’s plan to “create a strategic dilemma for Russia.” Posted by: Ossi | Mar 3 2024 17:41 utc | 37 ” Hey b, no separate topic on the eavesdropped Luftwaffe oficers discussing the deplyment of Taurus cruise missiles? I’m kind of surprised since it’s a big scandal in many ways. Posted by: Moonie | Mar 3 2024 17:52 utc | 38
Posted by: Down South | Mar 3 2024 17:59 utc | 39
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2024 17:59 utc | 40 @ Posted by: Comandante | Mar 3 2024 17:24 utc | 28 Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 3 2024 18:02 utc | 41 Posted by: Tortuosit | Mar 3 2024 16:03 utc | 11 Posted by: slothrop_tyrone | Mar 3 2024 18:03 utc | 42 … (TG) NATO Air Force entered the territory of Ukraine to practice strikes on Crimea … Two F 16s and one F 35. … Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 3 2024 18:12 utc | 43 ” Russia would automatically be at war with Germany. And Germany would not be able to invoke NATO Article 5, as this only applies if the NATO country in question is attacked and does not attack itself. Posted by: Moonie | Mar 3 2024 18:20 utc | 44 “Why? Posted by: Comandante | Mar 3 2024 18:21 utc | 45 What will they do? Posted by: too scents | Mar 3 2024 18:22 utc | 46
kaliningrad – northsea – germany. easy. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 3 2024 18:23 utc | 47 ” Russia would automatically be at war with Germany. And Germany would not be able to invoke NATO Article 5, as this only applies if the NATO country in question is attacked and does not attack itself. NATO has obviously gamed every scenario and the best one is giving Russia a bloody nose in Crimea. That will stop it in its tracks and they will have to decide on the response. Posted by: Comandante | Mar 3 2024 18:30 utc | 50 A map of the possible deployment of the NATO military contingent has appeared…
https://t.me/vicktop55/21946
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2024 18:32 utc | 51 Posted by: Comandante | Mar 3 2024 18:21 utc | 45 Posted by: Mario | Mar 3 2024 18:35 utc | 52 anon2020 @ 43
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/90357 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2024 18:35 utc | 53 “according to telegram channel, https://t.me/s/ZandVchannel Canada is now willing to send “non combat troops” to Ukraine for training purposes.. Seems like more and more “trial balloons” are being sent up. IMHO, it’s because of the dire straits the AFU finds itself in. I believe, sadly, that NATo forces will be sent into Ukraine as “peace keepers”, non combat role. Possibly some of the NATO troops involved in those exercises will sent in. There was speculation that they would guard the border of Ukraine and Belarus, freeing up 100,00 + Ukies to be sent to the front lines. I really hope this doesn’t happen, but if it does, Russia needs to hammer any foreign troops hard no matter where they are or what they are doing..” Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2024 18:32 utc | 51 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 18:44 utc | 55 Also the Houthis have sent that Uk destroyer running back to Europe after hitting it with drones. Posted by: BT | Mar 3 2024 18:52 utc | 56 Putin drew a big ‘red line’ should NATO combat forces enter the Ukraine to fight Russia. Biggest question now for NATO, did he draw it in Permanent Marker or Crayola Crayons. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 3 2024 18:55 utc | 57 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 3 2024 18:55 utc | 57 Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 3 2024 19:01 utc | 58 LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2024 18:32 utc | 51 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 19:02 utc | 59 ” Moonie, you are sloppy- try harder to get your post right. Posted by: Moonie | Mar 3 2024 19:08 utc | 60 The glide kits for the FAB range of bombs have proved something of a game changer on the small war front lines. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 19:11 utc | 61 ” kaliningrad – northsea – germany. easy. Posted by: Moonie | Mar 3 2024 19:14 utc | 62 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 3 2024 19:14 utc | 63 Like I’ve said before these clowns in government are intent on making their citizens lives harder, poorer and poverty will become far more widespread, with Biden, the EU 27 and the UK announcing more sanctions against Russia, this time the excuse is the death of the CIA/Mi6 puppet Navalny, Russia is now retaliating in kind, and it we (The public across Europe that will suffer because of these sanctions) Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 3 2024 19:14 utc | 64 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2024 18:35 utc | 53 Posted by: Milites | Mar 3 2024 19:17 utc | 65 ” “The agreement was unfortunately one-sided giving the authority and right to fish only to our partners at the time,” Deputy Agriculture Minister Maksim Uvaidov said. He added that the agreement didn’t provide Soviet fishermen with similar rights. Posted by: Moonie | Mar 3 2024 19:17 utc | 66 Peter AU1 @ 59 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2024 19:23 utc | 67 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2024 18:35 utc | 53 Posted by: kspr | Mar 3 2024 19:26 utc | 68 Three Nato aircraft entered Ukraine for the first time though only for a short time near the black sea. Possibly a direct attack by Nato operating from Romania on the Crimean bridge is on the cards. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 19:29 utc | 69 by anon2020 | Mar 3 2024 18:12 utc | 43 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 19:41 utc | 70 The proper response to a bloody nose at the Kerch bridge (by the Russians) is to just soldier on. They have had to eat shit before. Look at Nord Stream. The Russians are not hysterical female Western politicians to need to make an immediate response, for public consumption and for false pride. Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 3 2024 19:43 utc | 71 RF is not as fast as, I think, they intended to be at this stage. Posted by: too scents | Mar 3 2024 19:48 utc | 72 In the WWII, at the peak of the speed of liberating Ukraine and Belorus, Red Army made 100 km in a 12 days somewhere and somewhere the double of that in 3-5 weeks. Such fast progress is possible today, as logistics should be capable of handling it. There were no transport helicopters and air-drops 80 years ago, still Red Army crossed Dnieper river at the width of 2 km with wooden pontoon bridges and barges. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 19:51 utc | 73 Adding: too scents | Mar 3 2024 19:48 utc | 72 Posted by: too scents | Mar 3 2024 19:53 utc | 74 too scents | Mar 3 2024 19:53 utc | 74 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 20:01 utc | 75 Anonymous | Mar 3 2024 19:43 utc | 71 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 20:06 utc | 76 Biggest question now for NATO, did he draw it in Permanent Marker or Crayola Crayons. Posted by: jpc | Mar 3 2024 20:07 utc | 77 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2024 18:32 utc | 51 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 3 2024 20:10 utc | 78 https://t.me/blackcolonel2020/1263
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 3 2024 20:11 utc | 79 Also the Houthis have sent that Uk destroyer running back to Europe after hitting it with drones. Posted by: Ed4 | Mar 3 2024 20:16 utc | 80 What possible reason would there be to invade further? Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 3 2024 20:20 utc | 81 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 3 2024 20:10 utc | 78 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 20:27 utc | 82
Posted by: Lurk | Mar 3 2024 20:32 utc | 83 The Taurus conversation leak is amazing if you look at it. Posted by: Yarpos | Mar 3 2024 20:38 utc | 84 What possible reason would there be to invade further? Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 3 2024 20:39 utc | 85
The Red Army’s mistake was that they only Kaliningradized Kaliningrad.
And from Gurulev today:
The way things are going, the Russian leader after Putin might realize that there will be no lasting peace not only unless Ukraine is de-Ukrainized, but also unless much of Europe is subjected to Kaliningradization… Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 3 2024 20:41 utc | 86 Re: The (alleged?) German conversation intercepted by Russia, the accusations of wild conspiracy theories (Qanon), etc. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 3 2024 20:44 utc | 87 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 3 2024 20:41 utc | 86 Posted by: alek_a | Mar 3 2024 20:51 utc | 88 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 3 2024 20:41 utc | 86 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 20:51 utc | 89 As far as the Rezident/Legitimny channels go, someone said they might be channels of the banned opposition in Ukraine. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 20:53 utc | 90 Would also add Kaliningrad is Russian core or sovereign territory, and EU or Nato has no jurisdiction to interdict anything moving from one Russian core territory to another. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 20:54 utc | 91 Shadowbanned, cease the concern trolling. Any attempt at interdiction of Russian shipping between St Petersburg and Kaliningrad, or even more outrageously, attacking Belarussian territory will be met sternly by Russia. Quite possibly with nuclear weapons. NATO would not dare risking this. And the Baltic chihuahuas? If an escalation such as this occurs, their sovereign statehood will be a thing of the past, and outside of descending into the abyss of mutually assured destruction (mainland USA will not be spared) NATO will be utterly incapable of doing anything about it, having overcommitted itself already in the failed Ukraine adventure. Posted by: Lurk | Mar 3 2024 20:55 utc | 92 by Peter AU1 | Mar 3 2024 19:51 utc | 73 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 21:01 utc | 93 In a recent speech, Putin mentioned the fate of historical invaders of Russia and promised a similar or worse fate for contemporary contenders. Posted by: Lurk | Mar 3 2024 21:09 utc | 94
NATO just bombed a residential building in St. Petersburg and wounded eight people. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 3 2024 21:09 utc | 95 @ Lurk (4) Posted by: rgl | Mar 3 2024 21:15 utc | 96 by shаdοwbanned | Mar 3 2024 21:09 utc | 95 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 3 2024 21:25 utc | 97 NATO has put them in a lock.What will they do? Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 3 2024 21:26 utc | 98 Republicofscotland | Mar 3 2024 19:14 utc | 64 Posted by: bevin | Mar 3 2024 21:30 utc | 99 One thing to notice with the drone attack to St. Petersburg was some drones were shot down nearly immediately west of St. Petersburg, between the mainland and Kronstadt as they were flying east over the sea. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2024 21:35 utc | 100 |
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