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March 15, 2024

Ukraine - France Already Lost In Odessa

The French president Emmanuel Micron has gone a bit crazy:

Europe’s credibility will be destroyed if Russia is allowed to win in Ukraine, Emmanuel Macron has warned, as he defended his refusal to rule out sending troops to the country.
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The war in Ukraine is “existential for our Europe and for France”, Mr Macron said in the interview on France 2 and TF1.

“Do you think that the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Estonians, the Romanians and the Bulgarians could remain at peace for a second [in the event of a Russian victory in Ukraine]?” he asked. “If Russia wins this war, Europe’s credibility would be reduced to zero.”

Micron fails to recognize that Europe does not have any credibility it could lose. Just ask those ~150 countries who have not sanctioned Russia. They know very well that the 2014 U.S./EU coup in Kiev started the mess and that the failure, especially of France and Germany, to force Kiev to implement the Minsk agreements led to its escalation.

Failing as the guarantor of agreements without any attempts to enforce them leaves one's credibility behind.

Trying to regain land for Ukraine that it had lost a decade ago is similar nonsense:

"We are doing everything we can to help Ukraine defeat Russia, because I will say it very simply: There can be no lasting peace if there is no sovereignty, if there is no return to Ukraine's internationally recognized borders, including Crimea," Macron said during the TV interview.

Interestingly Micron does not say how he will attempt to achieve that. The front is cracking everywhere and Ukraine is running out of men who are capable and willing to fight.

France could probably send 30,000 troops to Ukraine but what good could those do? It does not have the troops and equipment for a real fight with Russia. The logistics alone, vulnerable to Russian attacks, would be a nightmare.

The France dream of ruling Odessa already died during the chaos at the end of the first world war 105 years ago (edited machine translation):


December 12, 1918. Renault tanks unloading in Odessa - bigger
Emmanuel Macron's statement about the possibility of introducing French troops to Ukraine and, in particular, to Odessa fell almost on a round date: exactly 105 years ago, the French army was already on Ukrainian territory. Very briefly, though. But the French had a considerable influence on the course of events. Although not at all in favor of Ukraine: they did not allow the capture of Odessa by the troops of the Ukrainian People's Republic, transferred formal power over the city to the Russian White Guards, actually quarreled with the local rule of Hetman Grigoriev, who went over to the side of the Bolsheviks, which played a huge role in the subsequent military collapse of the UPR.

In the end, after several months of being in Southern Palmyra, the French troops were thoroughly decomposed by Bolshevik agitation, sang "Internationale" in pubs, and as a result, the French command decided to leave Odessa in early April 1919, calling it "unloading" the city in order to reduce the food shortage.

There were at that time French, Polish, Serbian, Greek, German, British and other troops involved. The Russians had split into Reds and Whites and several nationalistic Ukrainian groupings tried and failed to win a war against everyone else. The Cossack Hetman Grigoriev was probably the most interesting character of all. As is historically typical for his kind he and his troops fought for practically all parties in the war changing loyalties on a whim whenever convenient.

If France would again go to Odessa who could it really trust in a fight? The Nazi groupings? The government in Kiev which they mostly oppose? The Russia partisans who increase their activities in Ukraine day by day?

How would it react should such a missile strike, even by chance, would hit its troops camp?

Russians With Attitude @RWApodcast - 13:46 UTC · Mar 15, 2024

From what we have seen from Ukrainian media so far, today's Russian missile strike against an AFU temporary base in Odessa killed:
- Alexander Gostishev, former head of the National Police in Odessa, commander of the "Tsunami" "Assault Regiment" (formed from policemen, fought in Bakhmut, part of the "Liut" Brigade, an ongoing project to militarize and mobilize Ukrainian police staff to the frontlines)
- Sergey Tetyukhin, former deputy mayor of Odessa, who volunteered to join the AFU last year
- Dmitry Abramenko, deputy head of the National Police in Odessa
As the day goes on, more names might appear.

The French people for one do not seem to be interested in joining the mess:

In an Odoxa poll, 68 percent of French respondents said Macron's comments on Western troops in Ukraine were "wrong."

Macron's party will likely lose in the upcoming election to the European parliament. Let's hope that other leaders do not fall for the electioneering stunt he is providing with such nonsensical talk.

Posted by b on March 15, 2024 at 15:02 UTC | Permalink

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Keep telling yourself that. And if you think that this is the end of the escalations, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Mar 15 2024 15:07 utc | 1

Edgars Rinkēvičs @edgarsrinkevics

Latvijas Valsts prezidents/ President of the Republic of Latvia 🇱🇻 🇪🇺 (March 15, 2024 - 9:04 AM)

I fully support @EmmanuelMacron: we should not draw red lines for ourselves, we must draw red lines for Russia and we should not be afraid to enforce them. Ukraine must win, Russia must be defeated. Russia delenda est!

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 15 2024 15:12 utc | 2

Thanks b, and fuck Bernard Henri Levy too - remember him strutting about Odessa at the beginning of the SMO with plenty of ‘protection’ ! Which rock has he crawled under. Their Great Game is done forever. That City will never be their capital as they have long hoped.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 15 2024 15:16 utc | 3

I believe the French troops (along with the Turks) were critical to the eventual allied success in Crimea during the Crimean war - after British incompetence nearly scuppered the project. At that time allied forces were delivered by ship through the Bospherus Strait - an option not viable today. Logistical difficulties of land transport and lack of sufficient equipment and supplies make supporting Odessa from Europe rather difficult IMO.

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 15 2024 15:16 utc | 4

Thanks for the posting b.

I have written here before that it looks to me like we are in the end game of our civilization war and we go extinct or structural change in the Western form of social organization needs to occur.....end of private finance would be my preference for the core structural move.

Are the masses ever going to talk about forms of social organization or do we just proxy those discussions like we are doing now?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 15 2024 15:19 utc | 5

No worries. 3rd time lucky will bless Macron and see him fondling blacks in Kremlin by autumn.

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 15 2024 15:23 utc | 6

The E.U. is over.
The U.K. is toast.
The 'United' states will continue its death throes for perhaps another horrific 6-8 ugly years.

Posted by: Robert | Mar 15 2024 15:25 utc | 7

Why Odessa?

My understanding is that the French city of Nice on the Mediterranean coast (Population 348,085) and Odessa (Population 993,120) are twin cities. Both grew to prominence because of the steam ship connection between them, established sometime in the 1850s. Before that, Nice was little more than a fishing village.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 15 2024 15:29 utc | 8

b
Emanuel Micron ……
Great 👍😁

Posted by: SlowSoft | Mar 15 2024 15:29 utc | 9

Here's proof the Ukies are most definitely not suffering any manpower and material shortages.
Still losing more than 1k casualties of all kinds each day across the frontlines. And doing what Napoleon and Hitler had failed.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240315/ukraine-loses-over-2700-soldiers-around-avdeyevka-in-past-week---mod-1117351652.html

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 15 2024 15:31 utc | 10

5:

I have long since stated that if we want to save anything of the Western civilization and of its' legacy we must utterly destroy it.
Some old printed encyclopedias need to be preserved.

Posted by: Catilina | Mar 15 2024 15:32 utc | 11

I believe that in the coming months there is going to be tons of attention heaped on this "territory of Odessa" which will most likely culminate in a scalding hot fire zone as literally EVERYONE sees this city as important as hell. The brits for sure, but the Ukros and any european presence needs to be driven out from this once beautiful Russian city, preferably with serious damage inflicted. Hope it doesn't get pounded to horribly.

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 15 2024 15:32 utc | 12

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Imagine such shithole „country“ attacking Russia!?
Total loss of respect!
Great job chessmaster!

Posted by: SlowSoft | Mar 15 2024 15:33 utc | 13

NATO lost, they just don‘t know it yet

The level of waste, mismanagement, and fraud in NATO militaries must be staggering. NATO members have a collective ~1,800€ billion military budget. The RF started 2021 with a ~65€ billion military budget.

Posted by: Exile | Mar 15 2024 15:36 utc | 14

From my reading of the crimean war, the 19th century one, most of the soldiers died from natural causes, it was in fact a biological war. The French success was built on the fact that most of their men remained healthy. Perhaps then, the French might be going biological again, it seems that they would have to if they seriously believe they can defeat Russia.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Mar 15 2024 15:36 utc | 15

The President of the European Comission, Charles Michel, has congratulated Putin with his electoral victory.

Posted by: Passerby | Mar 15 2024 15:38 utc | 16

Petri Krohn @ 8

These tiny Baltic chihuahua's are going to get their frickin asses handed to them shortly since they think that the big dogs will have their backs as they continue to harass and spit on Russian pensioners AND anger Russian peoples.

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 15 2024 15:38 utc | 17

Escalations can get you a nuclear war, but they won't bring victory. The Occidental powers rage, having been so thoroughly hoisted on their own petard. Watching these criminals posture and bluster is a wry amusement in these bleak times. The idea the world might die thanks to the actions of imbecilic psychopaths like Sullivan, Blinken and their ilk is mind numbing.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 15 2024 15:38 utc | 18

What happend in Afganistan should solidify anyones lack of trust in Western intervention. There are so many old scores to settle in the region I suppose this will not end in our lifetime.

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 15 2024 15:44 utc | 19

psychohistorian | Mar 15 2024 15:19 utc | 5

structural change in the Western form of social organization....... Are the masses ever going to talk about forms of social organization or do we just proxy those discussions like we are doing now?

Looking at all those tent cities springing up in Europe and the US, we seem to be heading towards a new form of Urban tribal Nomadism.
*****

Macron is simply missing enough people to listen to him telling them what to do. .

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 15 2024 15:45 utc | 20

psychohistorian @ 5

Judging from the great article linked here yesterday, the US sees that the current western financial system is just about toast so they have decided it's going to be Total War☢.
Cinch up them jockstraps cuz it's going to get pretty hairy! You're going to see it a little sooner then us folks here in Canada. Provided you don't live near the US border.

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 15 2024 15:45 utc | 21

I meant to respond to Petri's comment at number 2.

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 15 2024 15:48 utc | 22

Eoin Clancy@15

Russia lacked sufficient troops after their failed attempt to cross the Danube and attack the Turks. Their outdated fleet was destroyed and they suffered logistical problems supplying their remaining forces in Sevastopol after the allies blockaded the Azov. Yes, the French had better medical care than the Brits, but true that the allied forces suffered mass casualties from disease and poor sanitation. Tolstoy was in Sevastopol during the siege. The city was evacuated over a boat causeway when the defense failed.

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 15 2024 15:49 utc | 23

The idea the world might die thanks to the actions of imbecilic psychopaths like Sullivan, Blinken and their ilk is mind numbing.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 15 2024 15:38 utc | 18

It's farcical such imbeciles have been permitted to occupy these positions.

Posted by: jpc | Mar 15 2024 15:49 utc | 24

Surferkid @ 10

Did you read the article you linked to? It does seem like they LOVE getting their ass kicked. But nowhere does it state that the Ukros have tons more of both to throw into the battles.

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 15 2024 15:52 utc | 25

Apocalypse Now Bewildered Now

How bewildered will the survivors of apocalyptic WWIII be.

In the aftermath their concerns will be for water, food, safety and shelter.

Eventually groups of survivors will come together for common security.
Once they have established some stability there will be time for communing,
and even story telling. Inevitably they will reach a consensus about
what and who had brought about the apocalypse and the consensus will
eventually pass into a state of permanent legend.

"Russia Russia Russia"

Macron and so many others are already there!
They are The Bewildered now. Their collective beliefs and the unseen collective unconscious
are a moonscape.

After WWIII the remnants of the world's military forces will
collect themselves and when ready they will launch preemptive strikes against
real or imaginary enemies.

The Bewildered survivors will then experience World War WTF.

Posted by: librul | Mar 15 2024 15:52 utc | 26

Pepe Escobar widens the reality that was within the intercepted German conference call and exposed by some German writers:

When the transcript of the Taurus leak was published by RT, everyone was able to hear Brigadier General Frank Gräfe – head of operations of the German Air Force – speaking with Lieutenant Colonel Fenske from the German Space Command Air Operations on the plan to deploy Taurus systems in Ukraine.

A key point is that during the plotting, these two mention that plans were already discussed “four months ago” with “Schneider”, the successor of “Wilsbach”.

Well, these are German names, of course. Thus it did not dawn on anyone that (Kevin) Schneider and (Kenneth) Wilsbach could instead be… Americans.

Yet that did raise the eyebrows of German investigative journalist Dirk Pohlmann – who I had the pleasure to meet in Berlin years ago – and his fellow researcher Tobias Augenbraun.

They found out that the German-sounding names did identify Americans. Not only that: none less than the former and the current Commanders of the U.S. Pacific Air Forces.

The Four (actually Six) Stooges element gets an extra boost when it is established that Liver Sausage Chancellor Scholz and his Totalenkrieg Minister Pistorius learned about the Taurus plan no less than four months later.

So here apparently we have a clear cut case of top German military officers taking direct orders regarding an attack on Crimea – part of the Russian Federation – directly from American officers in the Pacific Air Forces. [My Emphasis]

I'm not so sure the Alaskan part of the revelation is about China. IMO, it's also possible that Micron's rant was instigated by Team Biden.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 15 2024 15:54 utc | 27

bisfugged@12

I believe you are right about Odessa - the conflict will be settled in that region. We can hope with a whimper rather than decimation.

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 15 2024 15:55 utc | 28

There was a strange period where Macron didn't quite betray his total Rothschild's Zionist neocon purpose. He did a little run of de Gaulle like "I have heard you!" (Though, like de Gaulle, both didn't mean they agreed) speeches on topics like immigration and American cultural imperialism, like they were pulling back their ambitions for a truce to avoid total annihilation from a popular backlash. But then he doubles down on Ukraine despite that being an obvious lost cause weeks into the war. I have to say this does validate the early and consistent reports of French special forces in Ukraine alongside British and Canadians. Usually you wouldn't expect France to be so forward in NATO bullshit, usually being the reluctant member having left early when they realised they had nukes and so didn't need to be pawns for the Anglo-American non-sense. And even when they rejoined in 2005 under Sarkozy, the neocon president of France, the French government has always been sensitive of this due to public opinion.

They really do see it as the total narrative collapse for the CIA-chosen political elite in Europe.

You guys overreached (Like you always do) and now we're at the point in the cycle where you get nailed to the wall soon. Except it won't even be that, they'll be allowed to keep their money and the devastation and ethnic displacement they've inflicted. They're flipping the table and throwing tantrums because they won't be able to completely destroy their hosts and control everything forever.

Even the Telegraph or the Mi6graph has admitted this since May 2022.

https://i.postimg.cc/KYWxqJ61/Narrative-Collapse.png

Posted by: Altai | Mar 15 2024 15:59 utc | 29

France and Micron are on the wrong side of history.

Posted by: AI | Mar 15 2024 16:00 utc | 30

pessimist @ 28

Exactly! We don't want to see wanton destruction in that region because of the historic heritage sites and the critical infrastructure.

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 15 2024 16:04 utc | 31

Karlof1 @ 27

It's completely mind-boggling the casual references to utter treason and conspiracy!!

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 15 2024 16:06 utc | 32

Posted by: Feral Finster | Mar 15 2024 15:07 utc | 1

I constantly see this clown on several sites, alwasy dispensing the black pills "Russia is doomed, dooomed, doooomed, I tell you".

Keep telling yourself that, while Russia keeps winning. Probably will still be saying this after The West completely collapses, which looks imminent to me.

You and Shadowbanned should get a room together.

Posted by: FUBAR11111 | Mar 15 2024 16:07 utc | 33

The European Union has adopted 13 sanctions packages against Russia, and is preparing a 14th. The president of the European Comission congratulates Putin with his electoral victory while voting is in progress. You don't do that if you have class.

You also don't do that if you expect to have to negotiate peace with Russia. You do that if you are certain to win the war and believe you will topple the Russian government.

One explanation is that our politicians still have not realized that we - EU, NATO - are losing this war, and that Europe might enter the new era not as victor, but as supplicant.

Posted by: Passerby | Mar 15 2024 16:11 utc | 34

AI @ 30

I just can't wrap my head around the fact that the European leaders are callously hellbent on destroying their own sovereign countries while completely decimating the people's standard of living. There is going to be utter chaos as even generational "pure" Euro families will be refugees in their own communities. These people will NOT have the survival skills of the nigrants that have invaded their lands. Death and desolation will be the order of the day!!

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 15 2024 16:13 utc | 35

Ukraine]?” he asked. “If Russia wins this war, Europe’s credibility would be reduced to zero.”

Saying the quiet part out loud. The Former West's efforts aren't about helping Ukraine. The EU and US hitched their wagons to the Soros/Browder/Nuland SANCTIONS train. It failed, and will do lasting damage to the EU (fatal) and the US. The latter with regards to the dollar, whose reserve status was needed to keep the socialist ponzi limping along for perhaps a decade.

So now the mad scramble to salvage something and try to be relevant. For statists it's always about power. COVID was their wet dream, but their power is collapsing.

Posted by: JackG | Mar 15 2024 16:15 utc | 36

bisfugged @ 35

I meant to say migrants.

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 15 2024 16:15 utc | 37

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 15 2024 16:13 utc | 35

European countries lost their sovereignty more than 2 decades ago to the US. Once you loose your sovereignty you loose everything.

Posted by: AI | Mar 15 2024 16:23 utc | 38

But the French had a considerable influence on the course of events. Although not at all in favor of Ukraine: they did not allow the capture of Odessa by the troops of the Ukrainian People's Republic, transferred formal power over the city to the Russian White Guards

Ironically France is now opposing a Russia that is culturally and economically White Russian. Which is why the Bolshevik families in the Former West have instigated this war.

Posted by: JackG | Mar 15 2024 16:23 utc | 39

"pessimist @ 28

Exactly! We don't want to see wanton destruction in that region because of the historic heritage sites and the critical infrastructure.

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 15 2024 16:04 utc | 31"

This is why I expect Russia to leave Odessa for last, when the Ukr is at its smallest & weakest

Posted by: Mary | Mar 15 2024 16:26 utc | 40

Cannot find it.

A few short years ago there was a video floating around of Macron.

He had been invited to some meeting, I believe the attendees were French
but they were all definitely pro-Israel.

The host of the meeting entered the meeting together with Macro and immediately
grabbed Macron's wrist and held up his arm so as to say, "look what I brought you!".

Macron's expression told it all. He was definitely not pleased with being presented
as a possession.

Anyone have that link?
Thx in advance

Posted by: librul | Mar 15 2024 16:33 utc | 41

“Do you think that the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Estonians, the Romanians and the Bulgarians could remain at peace for a second [in the event of a Russian victory in Ukraine]?” he asked.

Everyone in Estonia feels completely safe having no real army and sending all their tanks and other equipment to Ukraine precisely because they know that Russia will never threaten them for any reason, unless they force it to.

Now if Estonia was next to Ukraine, shitrael or the united states of epstein, they'd be armed to the teeth and still shake in their beds at every rustle. And their daughters would never walk outside alone.

Posted by: Michael A | Mar 15 2024 16:36 utc | 42

"Well, these are German names, of course. Thus it did not dawn on anyone that (Kevin) Schneider and (Kenneth) Wilsbach could instead be… Americans.

Yet that did raise the eyebrows of German investigative journalist Dirk Pohlmann – who I had the pleasure to meet in Berlin years ago – and his fellow researcher Tobias Augenbraun.

They found out that the German-sounding names did identify Americans. Not only that: none less than the former and the current Commanders of the U.S. Pacific Air Forces.

The Four (actually Six) Stooges element gets an extra boost when it is established that Liver Sausage Chancellor Scholz and his Totalenkrieg Minister Pistorius learned about the Taurus plan no less than four months later.

So here apparently we have a clear cut case of top German military officers taking direct orders regarding an attack on Crimea – part of the Russian Federation – directly from American officers in the Pacific Air Forces. [My Emphasis]

I'm not so sure the Alaskan part of the revelation is about China. IMO, it's also possible that Micron's rant was instigated by Team Biden."

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 15 2024 15:54 utc | 27

Excellent catch thanks for informing me.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 15 2024 16:37 utc | 43

French poodles are good for baking, making baguettes and making les pommes frites. That's about it.

Posted by: Comandante | Mar 15 2024 16:38 utc | 44

Posted by: Feral Finster | Mar 15 2024 15:07 utc | 1

I constantly see this clown on several sites, alwasy dispensing the black pills "Russia is doomed, dooomed, doooomed, I tell you".

Keep telling yourself that, while Russia keeps winning. Probably will still be saying this after The West completely collapses, which looks imminent to me.

You and Shadowbanned should get a room together.

Posted by: FUBAR11111 | Mar 15 2024 16:07 utc | 33

That you are apparently unable to provide anything other than lame insult and tone policing does nothing to dissuade me. In fact, quite the opposite, as I'd love to be wrong.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Mar 15 2024 16:41 utc | 45

the crimean war, the 19th century one
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Mar 15 2024 15:36 utc | 15

HA! Incidentally, an aftershock UID laid out a photo essay illustrating that Crimean War. I learned facts that I did not know!

The reason for the war, which is called the Crimean war in Russia and the Eastern War in the West, was a dispute over the holy sites in Palestine. France has backed the Vatican's claim to the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, demanding that the Orthodox church be turned over to Catholics. Russia refused. The Ottoman Empire, which then included Palestine, was teetering in an attempt to please both Nicholas I and Napoleon III. But soon, Sultan Abdul-Majid I ordered to hand over the keys to the temple to the Catholics. In response, Russia gathered troops on the border with the Principality of Wallachia and Moldavia—a vassal state of the Ottoman Empire. But, of course, it wasn't really because of the keys to the temple that the Russian, French, British, and Ottoman Empires, not counting the Kingdom of Sardinia, got involved in the conflict.

No one was satisfied with the position of Russia in Europe after the victory over Napoleon I. Eager for revenge, the French did not intend to tolerate the "tricks" of Emperor Nicholas I, who, for example, did not recognize the legitimacy of Napoleon III. And for Britain, Russia has always been a geopolitical opponent, increasing its influence in the Caucasus, the Balkans, advancing to Central Asia, Iran, and then, possibly, to India, and even owning lands in North America. Austria, on paper an ally of Russia, also did not like its strengthening in the Balkans. And the French promised Sardinia to promote the unification of Italy. So the keys to the Church of the Nativity in Palestine became something like the assassination of the Austrian Archduke in Sarajevo in August 1914. Church of the Nativity of Christ in Bethlehem.

Russian Chancellor Nesselrode warned Nicholas I that there were no allies: Prussia was indifferent to this conflict, Austria would be benevolent to the Port. And Britain will join France in asserting its naval power. But Nicholas I stubbornly counted on the support of Prussia and Austria and considered an alliance between Britain and France impossible.

Not agreeing on the inviolability of the Orthodox Church's rights to holy sites, Russia broke off relations with the Ottoman Empire and three weeks later sent its troops to Moldavia and Wallachia. On October 9, 1853, the Turkish sultan demanded that Russia withdraw its troops from Moldavia and Wallachia and declared war on it on October 16. In response, Russia declared war on the Ottoman Empire.
[...]

...and couldn't have known given that my only source of information was Lermontov's sketchy romance, A Hero of Our Times.

Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 15 2024 16:41 utc | 46

People here rage against (utterly failed) Ukrainian incursions into Russia, and Ukrainian (more successful admittedly) attacks on Russian oil refining. But then I read about a iskander double tap on some important people in Odessa yesterday, on 150 fabs a day dropped yesterday, I remember the massive Russian strikes on Ukrainian industrial facilities not long ago. What do they want? Ukraine to offer no resistance? To just say “thank you sir may I have another” whenever Russia fires off a now daily barrage of hypersonic missiles and dozens of heavy drones? As Russia occupies what, about 20%+ of internationally recognized Ukrainian territory, which Russia itself recognized as Ukrainian a decade ago by the way? All this while Ukraine is a country of not long ago 40 million people the size of France, an integral part of the Soviet Union, a world superpower, just 35 years ago. And now with the support of the entire Western block, down to Australia, Japan, SK?

I think people have an exaggerated idea of Russia power. It is inflicting on Ukraine many multiples of the damage it itself is receiving.

Putin is treating this in a way as a proxy war, the Vietnam war but on Russia’s border. Russian pilots, engineers, weapons, downed thousands of American planes and killed thousands of Americans. America didn’t start WW3 over it. Putin to some degree sees this as “fair is fair”. Russia proper is taking damage while America during the Vietnam war didn’t. But the damage is minor. I understand why he doesn’t want to start WW3 (as the significantly weaker party diplomatically, economically and technologically compared to the entire western block). I don’t really see what he could have done, launch a missile at the Czech Republic? Or Poland? People treat this like it would be no biggy, but there is every chance that the western alliance (all what, 30+ countries) would literally declare war on Russia over such a strike. With attendant extremely ramped up pressure on India, UAE, China etc to stop doing business, with enforced 2ndary sanctions, with strikes on Russia, which could easily lead to WW3.

If you look at post WW2 history, it is the Americans who are crazy. It might all be an act, but the Russians are less willing to go there, to a full nuclear exchange, than the Americans at least seem to be. Korean War (with the American commander wanting to go nuclear), Cuban missile crisis, Reagan era, up to now. It’s weird for me to even write this because I grew up in the USA and the culture portrays us as the sane rational ones and everyone else as the crazies. But that has not been the objective reality post war

Posted by: Chessmaster Z | Mar 15 2024 16:42 utc | 47

Putin is treating this in a way as a proxy war, the Vietnam war but on Russia’s border.

Posted by: Chessmaster Z | Mar 15 2024 16:42 utc | 47

If he is indeed treating it that way, he needs to be replaced immediately.

Hopefully it is just you making a category mistake -- this isn't a proxy war, this is Operation Barbarossa V.2, but in slow motion.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Mar 15 2024 16:44 utc | 48

USA saved the sorry ruski bastads from Hitler in WWII.

The ingrates repaid us with treachery and aggression.

So, we whooped their sorry asses in the Cold War.

Afterwards we extended the hand of friendship to them and got their basket case communist shithole economy back on its feet.

Once again the bastads repaid us with treachery and aggression.

This time—no mercy and we finish the job! We won’t stop until we reach moscow and bring Vladolph Pitler to justice…

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 15 2024 16:45 utc | 49

"Micron fails to recognize that Europe does not have any credibility it could lose. Just ask those ~150 countries who have not sanctioned Russia. They know very well that the 2014 U.S./EU coup in Kiev started the mess and that the failure, especially of France and Germany, to force Kiev to implement the Minsk agreements led to its escalation."

🔼 The whole Ukraine SNAFU in 3 sentences.
Nice work b!

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 15 2024 16:46 utc | 50

thanks b.

i liked the accidental typo ~ micron for macron, too..

Posted by: james | Mar 15 2024 16:49 utc | 51

@ bisfugged | 35
"I just can't wrap my head around the fact that the European leaders are callously hellbent on destroying their own sovereign countries while completely decimating the people's standard of living."

Take a hard look at this link from just two days ago. It's mind-blowing and all too true.

Why is the European Union destroying its own economy ???

Posted by: JessDTruth | Mar 15 2024 16:50 utc | 52

US-led NATO is becoming an existencial threat to Europe and its security.

Posted by: AI | Mar 15 2024 16:54 utc | 53

to the real Arch Bungle:

You know you’ve arrived when a troll steals your nick.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 15 2024 16:55 utc | 54

@10 Ukraine may still have men to send to the front, but of what quality?

Listening to Dima, it sounds like very poor quality. They could not achieve a single thing in their cross-border raids around Belgorod. Spectacular failures, huge losses in men and materials. Sort of what you'd expect if Bolivia tried to invade Brazil.

The Zelensky "cope" rumor that they got sold out somehow is telling. That seems completely BS. They failed because they're a rag-tag group of likely 50 year olds with no real combat effectiveness.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 15 2024 17:04 utc | 55

🇷🇺🇺🇦🇪🇺 The outcome of the conflict in Ukraine will be decided in the coming months , so the West should not hesitate to provide military assistance to Kiev. This was stated by EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Josep Borrell in a conversation with reporters in Washington.

“It is this spring, this summer and until the fall that [the outcome] of the war in Ukraine will be decided,” Borrell argued. He said that during meetings in the United States he discussed the possible consequences of a Russian victory. According to his version, Moscow supposedly “will not stop there.” "The next months will be decisive," he said, adding that "what needs to be done must be done quickly."


https://t.me/intelslava/56024

Posted by: Down South | Mar 15 2024 17:05 utc | 56

karlof1 | Mar 15 2024 15:54 utc | 27

Thank you for the widening view of a hidden organized reality.

"So here apparently we have a clear cut case of top German military officers taking direct orders regarding an attack on Crimea – part of the Russian Federation – directly from American officers in the Pacific Air Forces."

Add to that the discussion was four months ago! The EU has to accept the fact that nothing is done without US behind it. Only when we realise that all the EU and Brussels leaders are dancing to the US tune (orders), does a coherent pattern emerge.

OT. (Thinking aloud); Is it limited to the US or must zionists be considered part of all our present "rulers"? Seeing the political cohesion about the "Gazan island concentration camp(s)" and the expansion of Cyprus as an arms logistical hub; Plus the pathetic anti-UNWRA actions of US aligned states; plus the general threats to all and sundry (Iran, Herb, et al); Plus the "new" threats against Syria and Assad (Russia in the Golan), we can see the same poison spreading across the "Waste", from the same source.

At one time I had thought that some way could be found to "fudge" peaceful solutions, but the extent of the change that will be necessary in the "Waste", means that we may not only be in the fourth turning, but we lack any way out. (As psychohistorian | Mar 15 2024 15:19 utc | 5 implies "we are IN the shit")

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 15 2024 17:06 utc | 57

"to the real Arch Bungle:

You know you’ve arrived when a troll steals your nick."

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 15 2024 16:55 utc | 54

No worries no one is going to imitate your moniker.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 15 2024 17:06 utc | 58

Beware, the Ides of March. One might hope Macron’s bluster is just that, empty promises for the desperate Ukries. Promises to prolong, the upcoming reckoning. Maybe rather than a reckoning we can devolve to continental chaos, this is what hope would sound like for Nazis. But this isn’t hope but a knife, should it turn out to be the case that macron intends perfect betrayal.

Posted by: Nothingburgers | Mar 15 2024 17:08 utc | 59

Is Macron
"providing [...]nonsensical talk."?

Short answer: no

Macron has no hope of winning a war with an army of unarmed cheerleaders, irrelevant industry and abysmal debt.
Macron's aim is to re-establish an iron curtain of war with Eurasia. To complete the ruin of Europe and finalize its allegiance and servitude to the USA.
What you need for that is: "no peace"
***

As always with Macron, you have to listen to what he says. And look at what he does. And translation is unfortunately not enough, as you'll miss the inflection points.

One of the few French politicians to have clearly explained where Macron wants to take France is Nicolas Dupont-Aignan.
Before voting against the Franco-Ukrainian defense agreement, he explained the eight points that justify opposing Macron.

Ten minutes to understand everything. In French.
https://youtu.be/QAjzWfBSyPY?si=Kp7V_a-Fvj2uXkxb

****
Macron never says Europe without saying "our" Europe. By vocally insisting on "our".
This way of speaking is deliberately misleading, to make the audience believe that it is indeed "ours". But when someone says "our", it's not necessarily "yours" they're talking about, but rather "theirs".

It's also a clear way of separating "our" Europe from the geographical Europe where Russia is the bridge to Asia. The kind of Europe DeGaulle was talking about when, after the 2nd World War, he spoke of Europe as an area of peace and cooperation "from the Atlantic to the Urals".

Opposed, incidentally, by the USA and the UK.

*****
When Macron says there will be no peace without a return to the borders of 1991, he is confirming what NDA courageously says.
Macron does not want peace.
Macron want "no peace"

By signing this agreement with Ukraine, Macron has written into French law the prohibition of negotiation.
Like Zelinsky. Like the United Kingdom.
As far as I know, not yet Germany.

The aim of Macron and Tusk is to impose this definitive break on Germany too.

Macron's logorrhea wants to destroy what the explosion of ns2 has not yet completed.

Posted by: La Bastille | Mar 15 2024 17:08 utc | 60

Fwance is an impotent joke.

Posted by: nook | Mar 15 2024 17:10 utc | 61

France lost its credibility with its refusal to enforce the Minsk Accords, for sure.

And Ukraine lost its sovereignty when the US backed to coup that overthrew the elected government in 2014.

Their ability to continue to spout nonsense, as opposed to reality, continues to amaze.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Mar 15 2024 17:11 utc | 62

❗️ 🇷🇺🇺🇦 Slobozhansky direction: destruction of the AFU landing force near Kozinka

Situation at 16:00, March 15, 2024

Throughout the night, Ukrainian formations launched attacks on a section of the border near Grayvoron in the Belgorod region, attempting to capitalize on the successful helicopter landing at Kozinka. However, Russian units successfully repelled all attacks and thwarted the enemy's plans.

▪️ During the clashes, soldiers of the 2nd Special Forces Brigade eliminated all enemy forces that had landed at Kozinka, preventing them from establishing a presence in the village and awaiting the arrival of AFU armored vehicles. The settlement is now under full Russian control.

▪️ Throughout the day, Ukrainian formations once again attempted to enter Tetkino in the Kursk region, but were unable to advance to the outskirts of the village and instead resorted to firing from the nearby Ryzhevka in the Sumy region. Reports of "battles in the area of the railway station" are once again proven to be mere rumors.

▪️ Concurrently, the AFU continues to shell other settlements in the region using artillery and MLRS. Despite the intense activity of Russian air defense systems, some shells have landed on residential streets, resulting in casualties. Tragically, one civilian was killed in a store in Belgorod, and more than a dozen others were injured across the region.

❗️Although it is premature to declare an end to the fighting at the border, the enemy has clearly sustained very significant losses in personnel and equipment. As of now, they have not achieved any military objectives or even garnered media attention.

In response to their setbacks, the Kiev regime is expected to continue indiscriminate shelling of cities and villages in the Belgorod region, targeting civilians. This raises concerns about potential retaliatory actions by the Russian Armed Forces, especially considering that the AFU has somewhat depleted their capabilities in recent battles.


https://t.me/two_majors/20592
Our source in the OP said that Budanov proposed to Zelensky to stop cross-border attacks on Russia; due to large losses of equipment and reserves, it would no longer be possible to achieve the assigned tasks, but the President insisted on continuing operations. It is important for Bankova to informationally attack the elections in Russia in order to disrupt Putin’s victorious wave.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/22039

Our source reports that someone leaked to the Russian special services not only the case of the “sudden” attack of the Ukrainian Armed Forces/GUR on Russian territories, when Ukrainians were expected at the border and caused enormous damage. In fact there was a trap.

But the Russians were also leaked the preparation of a massive drone raid on Moscow on March 15-19. This, according to the idea of ​​the Office of the President and Zelensky’s headquarters, should be a “colorful conclusion” to the case.

We previously explained why Bankova needed this case, for which we had to pay with hundreds of soldiers’ lives and a couple of dozen lost heavy equipment.

https://t.me/legitimniy/17450

❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 The Ukrainian Armed Forces tried to attack the Russian Federation with the participation of over 2.5 thousand men and 35 tanks, but had no success anywhere, Putin said.

The Ukrainian armed forces that attacked the territory of the Russian Federation fled with losses, Putin noted.

Putin is confident that Kiev will not be able to intervene in the elections in the Russian Federation with its attacks. He stressed that Kiev's attacks on the Russian Federation will not go unpunished.


https://t.me/geromanat/22774

Posted by: Down South | Mar 15 2024 17:12 utc | 63

According to the following link from Two Majors on Telegram, it seems that French special forces are already in Ukraine. A badge was discovered worn on the body of a dead Frenchman. The badge is the insignia of the 13th Parachute Dragoons, a reconnaissance unit of the French Army Special Forces Command and the Special Operations Command.

https://tgstat.ru/en/channel/@two_majors/20581

Posted by: Belle | Mar 15 2024 17:16 utc | 64

Anyone have that link? Thx in advance

Posted by: librul | Mar 15 2024 16:33 utc | 41


Probably this one, our local AIPAC
"We win"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zmtnTe-PHw

Posted by: La Bastille | Mar 15 2024 17:18 utc | 65

i liked the accidental typo ~ micron for macron, too..

Posted by: james | Mar 15 2024 16:49 utc | 51

It's not an accidental typo. It's a creative typo. Micron is living the Oedipus Complex dream. He couldn't marry his Mum so he married his teacher.
One could say that he never left school/grew up.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 15 2024 17:24 utc | 66

Regarding foreign troops in Ukraine

🇷🇺⚔️🏁 The Russian Ministry of Defense has published data on foreign mercenaries eliminated during the special military operation:

A total of 13,387 arrived in Ukraine;

By now, the destruction of 5,962 foreign mercenaries has been confirmed;

🇵🇱 Poland leads in the number of killed mercenaries (arrived — 2,960, destroyed — 1,497);

🇬🇪 1,042 fighters arrived from Georgia, of which 561 were eliminated;

🇺🇸 Out of 1,113 arriving from the USA, 491 were killed;

🇨🇦 More than 40% of Canadian mercenaries have been killed (422 out of 1,005);

🇬🇧 Of the 822 mercenaries arriving from the UK, 360 have been eliminated;

🇷🇴 784 mercenaries arrived from Romania, of which 349 were eliminated;

🇩🇪 From Germany — 235 and 88 respectively;

🇫🇷 France, denying the presence of its mercenaries on Ukrainian territory at all levels, has already lost 147 militants out of 356 arrivals.


https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/104295

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 15 2024 17:25 utc | 67

so he married his teacher
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 15 2024 17:24 utc | 66

But is the teacher a boy or a girl?

Posted by: rk | Mar 15 2024 17:28 utc | 68

@48 what are you talking about? Operation Barbarossa 2? Who is going to invade Russia proper? Who is making a move to occupy Moscow? I suspect you mean Ukraine is really Russia and by trying to take Ukraine out of Russia’s control, the west is in a sense invading Russia.

But then you should not blame the west, or Putin, you should blame Boris Yeltsin, he is the one who unilaterally declared Russia independent of the Soviet Union, thereby cut Ukraine off from Russia, and precipitated the total collapse of the Soviet Union. Ukraine was an independent state since 1991, not because of the west, they didn’t take Ukraine away, Russia under Yeltsin did that. You are blaming Putin for not fully reconquering Ukraine and calling that Barbarossa? Those events happened in 1991, not 2004 or 2014 or 2022

Posted by: Chessmaster Z | Mar 15 2024 17:29 utc | 69

At the same time Maricon, Scholz and some other nonentity declared in Berlin today that they would never initiate escalation in Ukraine. Otherwise it looks as if Scholz is being dragged reluctantly towards escalation by Maricon and Cameron.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/15/german-french-and-polish-leaders-hold-emergency-meeting-on-ukraine

It's a bit foolish. Russia is a YUGE place which could stand a nuclear attack. The UK is a tiny island, England is the most overpopulated place in Europe. We wouldn't fare too well if a dozen megatons were scattered around Southern England, Barrow and Holy Loch...

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 15 2024 17:32 utc | 70

Anyone have that link? Thx in advance

Posted by: librul | Mar 15 2024 16:33 utc | 41


Probably this one, our local AIPAC
"We win"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zmtnTe-PHw

@Posted by: La Bastille | Mar 15 2024 17:18 utc | 65

Wow! Bull's eye! (how to say in Francais?)

Thanks so much, that is a keeper link!

Posted by: librul | Mar 15 2024 17:34 utc | 71

Answer me a simple question: why was it so so so terrible to accept what the Russian ruling class demanded: that Ukraine should be neutral as Finland was during the Cold War?

Why Washington said that Ukraine's entry into NATO was non-negotiable.

The Ukrainian Gambit (1997-, 2008-, 2914-) will go down in history as the pinnacle of cynicism and disregard for human life of the narcissistic and fanatical ruling class in London and Washington and their puppets in Brussels.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 15 2024 17:36 utc | 72


Posted by: rk | Mar 15 2024 17:28 utc | 68

Maybe he goes by the ancient Latin saying.

cunnus pulcher sed mentula omnibus grata est

Posted by: Mario | Mar 15 2024 17:39 utc | 73

So here apparently we have a clear cut case of top German military officers taking direct orders regarding an attack on Crimea – part of the Russian Federation – directly from American officers in the Pacific Air Forces. [My Emphasis]

karlof1 | Mar 15 2024 15:54 utc | 27

Something here
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/is-russia-blackmailing-germany-official-taurus-leak-narrative/8
The logical conclusion one must confront is: The Bundeswehr network has been centrally "hacked" from the inside.

These people talk a lot and give a lot of details.
And the Russians immediately made it public
So there's still hope that intelligent people are trying to slow down the infernal machine.

Posted by: La Bastille | Mar 15 2024 17:41 utc | 74

Posted by: AI | Mar 15 2024 16:00 utc | 30

France and Micron are on the wrong side of history. ..

That's right.
But they've not yet learned its messages received acc.to consequences from "outside reactions". So they FRANCE politicians are trying to hide themselves.

Miss/Mrs. appreciated figure "Le-Pen" does not try to hide herself with her mouth .. but she is acting further more against Pres. Macron, be not sure forever!

Your FRANCE time today is only stationed in 'UKR' now - Where Yor French soldiers might fight for ? as for what purpose? ..
That would be a serious desaster for all US-remaining Nuland's supporters guys .. (if being realized by Macron's /Deep/Depp State guys.
So, let's wait about some new info, how the French soldiers will "DEFEAT RUSSIAN SOLDIERS" on grond.
Laughing? No - I only wonder why politicians - that case Macron + Scholz" my survive (in that physical extend) ..
Thanks for listening.


The Thickness and an anti Red-Indians approach is going ahead.. same as on UKR inhabitants.

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Mar 15 2024 17:41 utc | 75

40-50% loss rates on mercs is a pretty good number.

If I were a Russian army fighter I’d saw their heads off with power tools and “pike” em on stakes around the frontlines with their country insignias as a warning.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 15 2024 17:41 utc | 76

I just can't wrap my head around the fact that the European leaders are callously hellbent on destroying their own sovereign countries while completely decimating the people's standard of living.

Posted by: bisfugged | Mar 15 2024 16:13 utc | 35

It's because the elites/bankers/jews/whatever choose the worst dregs of humanity, the ones at a genetic dead end, into positions of power. Why? Because that trash has nothing to lose. They're so ugly, stupid or diseased that they would never have a normal life in any kind of normal society. They're the ones whose branch would have been culled from the family tree many generations ago in any natural environment.

Of course they hate their countries, and for them any deal is a good deal. A few million in a tax paradise for genociding your country, or a lonely life as an abominable wretched nobody with an IQ thirty points below average?

For examples, look at pictures of the Finnish politicians Riikka Purra and Antti Kurvinen.

And this is also why the elites/jews/whatever want to poison us all. Easier to control everyone, when everyone is weak and there's an endless supply of mutants, as Edward Dutton calls them.

Posted by: Michael A | Mar 15 2024 17:43 utc | 77

Answer me a simple question: why was it so so so terrible to accept what the Russian ruling class demanded: that Ukraine should be neutral as Finland was during the Cold War?

Why Washington said that Ukraine's entry into NATO was non-negotiable."

Because Empire.

"The Ukrainian Gambit (1997-, 2008-, 2914-) will go down in history as the pinnacle of cynicism and disregard for human life of the narcissistic and fanatical ruling class in London and Washington and their puppets in Brussels.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 15 2024 17:36 utc | 72"

I would say that the cynicism and disregard for human and feline life is about standard for rulers. Power attracts sociopaths.

Just that these rulers have tools that a Goebbels or a Beria never could have dreamed of at their disposal.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Mar 15 2024 17:56 utc | 78

Ukraine Weekly Update, 15th March 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-294

Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Mar 15 2024 17:58 utc | 79

.... and fuck Bernard Henri Levy too -

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 15 2024 15:16 utc | 3

I simply have to second that.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 15 2024 18:00 utc | 80

Posted by: La Bastille | Mar 15 2024 17:08 utc | 60

Agreed. Even with access to the 'ours' and 'theirs' issues of Macrons speech, it's pretty clear from analysis of material interests and capabilities that the whole Ukraine project, although perhaps originated as a method of taking down Russia permanently, was by 2008's financial crisis transformed into a US war against Europe. Ukraine and Iran (breaking the nuke deal) became the two prongs of a pincer attack on affordable energy for Germany. The breaking of the Iran nuke deal 'coincidentally' separated France and Germany from massive infrastructure deals and new markets that could have gone a long way toward stabilizing their economies, and thus the core EU economy, without resorting to the level of QE employed by the US- which is not only long-term unstable itself but would be (and became) orders of magnitude worse for EU because the Euro is not the Petro Euro. Nobody has to trade in Euros.

The progress of the war in Ukraine makes this crystal clear- there was never a chance of 'winning' on the ground, the propaganda about restoring Ukraine's 2014 borders was absurd 'no peace' propaganda, Russia was, unsurprisingly to anyone who had been paying attention to the global economy, sanction proof- but the EU was not. The 'sanctions' war was not against Russia, it was against the EU. The US simply ignores its own sanctions when it suits them, and profits by selling energy to EU at inflated prices. EU is no longer a competitor- a victory in a classic imperialist war against rival 'empires' (the EU only imagining itself one, and now getting the smack down).

The destruction of Nordstream, the disarming of NATO by donations to Ukraine, the movement of German industry to the US (already begun), these are not accidents, they are essential parts of US planning for this war. The desire outcome of the SMO is, for the US, 'no peace,' a new cold war that will keep Germany, in particular, from getting the help it needs from Russia or the ME to energize economic recovery, and to gradually strangle trade with China until it can be replaced with (German) manufactures coming out of the US.

There is a domestic campaign in the US. Do not be surprised by Trump rapidly withdrawing military assets from the Old World and redeploying them in Fortress America (which will include as much of Latin America as possible, as quickly as possible). Do not be surprised if the post-Trump era is led by Vivek Ramaswamy and other 'good billionaires' into a technofeudalist 'golden age' of beneficent oligarchs who, already owning everything, wish to stabilize their power by improving the living conditions of their most downtrodden serfs. Fundamentally, an Americentric finance capitalist version of Russia's 'populist state capitalism' and 'Socialism with Chinese Characteristics' but with the PTB firmly in control, rather than institutions of the working class.

While I still consider it possible that Putin and his crew are communists and, post-war, will move in the direction of more worker control of the political and economic system, the current relationship between the Russian state and private means of production is close to the ideal for the American PTB. The relationship growing between Russia and China suggests that their systems will align more and more closely over time, and the center of mass demographically, politically and economically is in China- especially considering Russia's socialist past.

Posted by: Honzo | Mar 15 2024 18:01 utc | 81

Even if Ukraine gets destroyed fir western interests most of the people there are still ready to die in this war if rhey can kill Russians. Still a lot of soldiers. We see no massive surrenders yet.
Macron is dangerous, France shall be militarized soon.
We all know, in thr end this conflict would go nuclear. But before that French soldiers would replace Ukrainians in the west of that country.

Posted by: vargas | Mar 15 2024 18:01 utc | 82

People here rage against (utterly failed) Ukrainian incursions into Russia, and Ukrainian (more successful admittedly) attacks on Russian oil refining.

Please, master, tell me more. Noone (intelligent) here raged about these things, maybe shadowbanned and his fluffers I suppose.

What you are engaging in is projection, and you seem to be trying to convince yourself of something though I am not sure quite what.

I think you're starting to get your head around the fact that people here generally think and their conclusions are based on logical argument and observation, with historical allegory sprinkled in when illustrative. It isn't ideology, it's cold hard logic that refutes the fantasies of the West and their media stenographers. Are you redeemable? It depends on if you consider yourself on a 'side' or if you are willing to consider matters freely without ideology or bias.

For in said truthful honest analysis you might find enlightenment. Good luck.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 15 2024 18:06 utc | 83

Farts at the bar at comments 47,48 & 49. Unless that was all sarcasm, please check your underwear! Also, just because it's brown doesn't mean it's chocolate.

Posted by: Angelo | Mar 15 2024 18:09 utc | 84

Odessa is one of the most Russian of cities, founded by Catherine the Great. As others point out here, it's beautiful in its architecture, history and cultural and spiritual inheritance. I even could doubt that Ukrops would destroy it too badly (they did remove Catherine's statue).

Anyway, I've always assumed that Russia would never want to have to fight for Odessa, potentially destroying the city as they've had to destroy other places. I always assumed that the way to retake Odessa is in the surrender terms that Ukraine agrees to formally, ceding that city to RF.

Taking Odessa without many shots being fired must surely be a high priority on the General Staff's mind, I would think. It was never spoken of earlier, and if we hear its name being spoken aloud now, it's to put it on the table and make the claim of rightful possession. But as Mary suggests above, it would be the very last thing to be fought over. Probably even after Kiev.

Posted by: Grieved | Mar 15 2024 18:09 utc | 85

Posted by: vargas | Mar 15 2024 18:01 utc | 81

Most of people ready to die?

I assure you that no one in western Europe is ready to die to kill Russians, even the remaining Ukrainians are not ready themselves.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 15 2024 18:14 utc | 86

I’m not so certain that Macron’s bellicose idiot statements aren’t really more about the EU than Russia.
Macron/France has always wanted a EU “army”.
More than fight Russia, I think Macron want to be rid of US as well.
When France was ordered out if Niger… who stayed ..US.
The U.S. is mopping up Africa from France exits, not Russia, and U.S. mopped up the EU energy, making making re-power their Nuke plants up again, needing uranium, which is where? Niger.
So as pissed France is about Russia, it’s equally gunning for US/UK.
During the last g20/Davos thing… there was talk of a merge between Swiss & French Rothschilds… as they were competing for “clients” , so a banking/investment merger was on the table.
The cartels are not entirely in sync. He may be screaming “Russia” but Macron want to be head over the Baltics when US leaves. Macron is definitely not going to have a “powerful” Poland taking Germanys place.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 15 2024 18:17 utc | 87

@Posted by: Honzo | Mar 15 2024 18:01 utc | 80

Excellent analysis until:

Do not be surprised if the post-Trump era is led by Vivek Ramaswamy and other 'good billionaires' into a technofeudalist 'golden age' of beneficent oligarchs who, already owning everything, wish to stabilize their power by improving the living conditions of their most downtrodden serfs. Fundamentally, an Americentric finance capitalist version of Russia's 'populist state capitalism' and 'Socialism with Chinese Characteristics' but with the PTB firmly in control, rather than institutions of the working class.

While I still consider it possible that Putin and his crew are communists and, post-war, will move in the direction of more worker control of the political and economic system, the current relationship between the Russian state and private means of production is close to the ideal for the American PTB. The relationship growing between Russia and China suggests that their systems will align more and more closely over time, and the center of mass demographically, politically and economically is in China- especially considering Russia's socialist past.

The US capitalist elite turned to state-looting and financialized profit extraction a long time ago. Ramaswamy is a classic "pump and dump" schemer, who has never developed anything of his own. His greatest scheme was to buy the rights to a failed drug, then sell the hopium that the drug could be made to be useful just before he dumped his own shares. His employees have also stated what an absolute narcissistic psycho he is.

The US capitalist elite is deepening their wealth extraction and looting in the US, and they are utterly incapable of doing what the Chinese have done as that would mean losing a substantial amount of their profiteering money flows. Putin rebalanced the state/oligarch relationship to the advantage of the state from 2003 onwards and that change is accelerating with the SMO and Western sanctions. Definitely not to the liking of Western oligarchs. In China the Party-state rules supreme and the rich capitalists will never be allowed to become oligarchs.

The US may very well pull troops out of Europe and Trump may very well put up more tariffs, but that is all to allow the US oligarchy to deepen their domestic looting. There are no "happy days" in the US general population's future. Only a trip back to the late 1800s of the Robber Barons.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 15 2024 18:18 utc | 88

Forget Odessa, Russia has much bigger problems in Belgorod and the surrounding areas inside Russia proper. How can Ukraine field a force capable of attacking inside Russian territory while holding off Russian advances inside Ukraine AND shelling the newly incorporated Russian lands in the south? WTF is going on over there?

Posted by: bored | Mar 15 2024 18:18 utc | 89

No worries no one is going to imitate your moniker.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 15 2024 17:06 utc | 58

______

Back at ya!

(talk about shooting fish in a barrel!…)

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 15 2024 18:22 utc | 90

"...Europe’s credibility will be destroyed if Russia is allowed to win..."

Allowed to win? Imagine George Foreman saying "I allowed Mohammed Ali to out box me and then knock me out." Boxing fans would ridicule him for the rest of his life.m

Posted by: migueljose | Mar 15 2024 18:23 utc | 91

so he married his teacher
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 15 2024 17:24 utc | 66

But is the teacher a boy or a girl?

Posted by: rk | Mar 15 2024 17:28 utc | 68

_____

Had to have been a girl, at least legally and at the time of marriage.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 15 2024 18:25 utc | 92

Thanks b and also karlof1

Micron ans Sargent Shultz...
Sholz trying to manage public perception, Macron not bothering

US pulling out of the war on Russia to start the war on China - but determined to foment a wider war of of Europe vs Russia.

A telegram post by Rezident on the current situation in Odessa and wider Ukraine - More and more are becoming pro Russian and sending information to Russia. Even amongst those not yet pro Russian, they hate Zelensky and the Ukraine government more than they hate Russia.

My thought is that this will become more pronounced as time goes on. Along with hating their own government, many apparently are coming to relise the west has only been using them.

Grain being blocked on the border, a temporary free trade in other goods with the EU also not renewed.
EU/Europe still has to go through that.

The Baltics? France and Germany in. I assume they are the two with the largest economies and whatever is left of industrial output and tech in Europe. France, Germany and Poland look to be the largest by landmass. Poland wants to fight everyone.

Zelensky saying another offensive is being prepared (spring - summer). Regardless of it being crazey/suicidal, going by the last two times when the second and third Nato/Ukroid armies were destroyed, it should be taken as fact. It seems though that it can only occur with a large input of European forces.

Back then, before those two offensives kicked off, announcements of the coming offences by Ukraine and the west were scoffed at.

Unlike the now changing tune os average Ukrainians, many in high positions through Europe still operate under the illusion that the all powerful US will come to their aid as a Nato ally in the event they widen the war on Russia to Europe.
And like preparing for that second Ukraine offensive to the south, Russia has been preparing for wider war with Europe.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 15 2024 18:27 utc | 93

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 15 2024 15:44 utc | 19:

What happened in Afghanistan should solidify anyone's lack of trust in Western intervention. There are so many old scores to settle in the region I suppose this will not end in our lifetime.

Yes, what happened in Afghanistan should have alerted the westerners to reflect upon their own supposed superiority complex over all other global ethnicities, but it obviously didn't.

No, the awakening won't come until the West wears a long-lasting bloody nose. The timeline estimate stated by Robert @7 seems a credible forecast.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 15 2024 18:28 utc | 94

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Odesa

Due to the blockade of Odesa port during the Crimean war and subsequent disruption of trade, the city's exports rapidly dropped tenfold from 1853 to 1855. The losses forced Greek magnates of the city to close their offices, and the city failed to recover its lost clients following the war. However, unlike the Greeks, the Jews were able to withstand the recession due to their close contact with the producers, which greatly improved their ability to assess the market and allowed them to trade with a smaller profit margin.[2]: 70–71  As a result, the Greek stake in the export trade was quickly superseded by that of the Jews. By 1872–1875, Jews owned 60% of the commercial firms and most of retail stores in the city.[2]: 70 


During 1860s, the city become a center of modern Jewish intelligentsia.[2]: 71  With Yiddish being spoken by almost a third of the population, the city rose as a centre of Yiddish literature during the 1860s, playing a large role in the cultural transformation of Russian Jewry. Many of the most successful Jewish institutions existed in Odesa, which attracted many Jewish intellectuals from across Russia.[d][2]: 3 [3]

The community had, however, fallen victim to increased tensions with other nationalities,[3]: 50  which eventually evolved into open antisemitism.[15][16] During the 1821 anti-Jewish riots in Odesa, which occurred after the death of the Greek Orthodox patriarch in Constantinople, 14 Jews were killed. Overall, the pogroms in Odesa were carried out in 1821, 1859, 1871, 1881, and 1905,[17] although the Jewish Encyclopedia does not count the 1821 riot as an instance of such. The term became common after a wave of large-scale anti-Jewish violence swept the southern Russian Empire, including Ukraine, between 1881 and 1884, incited by rumours blaming Jews for the assassination of Alexander II.

Additionally, the May Laws of 1882 gave impetus to political activism among Russian Jews and mass emigration. More than two million Jews fled Russia between 1881 and 1920, the vast majority emigrating to the United States and the Ottoman region that became Palestine, and the city became an important base of support for Zionism.[18]

In 1882, members of Bilu and Hovevei Zion made what came to be known as the First Aliyah to Palestine, then a part of the Ottoman Empire. Initially, these organizations were not official, and to attain a legally recognized framework, a Jewish organization had to be registered as a charity in various European countries; American Jews provided most of the funding. After arduous negotiations, the Russian government approved the establishment of the Society for the Support of Jewish Farmers and Artisans in Syria and Palestine, also known as the Odesa Committee, in early 1890.[19]: 45  It was based in Odesa, headed by Leon Pinsker, and dedicated to practical aspects of establishing Jewish agricultural settlements in Palestine. The Tsarist government also sporadically encouraged Jewish emigration.[20] Before the First Zionist Congress in 1897, the Odesa Committee counted over 4,000 members. When the Zionist Organization was founded in 1897, most of the Hovevei Zion societies joined it. The Odesa Committee continued to function until it was closed in 1913.[21]: 915 

Despite the efforts to promote Zionism and subsequent emigration, however, the share of Jews in the population of Odesa remained fairly constant, at about 35%. Even after World War I and the Russian Civil War, there were more than 150,000 Jews in Odesa, constituting 36.7% of the total population. ....

Since the 1970s, the majority of the remaining Jewish population emigrated in two distinct aliyahs, one in the 1970s and the other after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Emigrants went mainly to Israel, but some also moved to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast or other countries, shrinking the Jewish community in the region.[26]

[Note: From 1880 to 1920, Odesa had the second largest Jewish population in the Russian Empire.[27][28] ]

So the city has been an extremely important one for Jews, including early Zionists, and as such is far more than a typical old Russian town. For centuries Greeks had been the main merchant population there, because of the grain trade, but in the 1800's Jews gradually took over, though later on many of them pioneered the Zionist movement and then emigrated to Israel.

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 15 2024 18:30 utc | 95

Grieved | Mar 15 2024 18:09 utc | 84

There seems to be a large chunk of Odessa's history that I and it seems most haven't run onto.
Originally a Greek city, the maze of ancient tunnels under Odessa built by who? Then under the Ottoman empire before going over to The Russian Empire in a treaty.

Old European maps mark that Ottoman section between the Black Sea and Polish Rus as Wild Fields and no towns/cities marked there.

History missing or that area above Crimea and around the Black sea coast simply abandoned for some centuries?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 15 2024 18:37 utc | 96

We have warmongers in the West like Macron and Lindsay Graham who never served in the infantry, yet see no hypocrisy in being OK with supporting a Ukraine that has to beat its young people about the head, pepper spray them, and then kidnap them into vans, in order to maintain the essential level of Cannon fodder at the front lines.

They have no explanation for all the young men who fled Ukraine, and refuse to return, rather than fight for Zelenskyy, but they insist that Ukrainians are eager to carry on the fight.

It's a given that Graham, born in the State the Civil War started in, knows the details of that era, and also knows that the young men of the Confederacy didn't elect en masse to flee the South and go to Cuba, Mexico, or out West, so as to avoid serving in the army of Jeff Davis. And yet even so in a few years the advantages of the more populous and more industrialized North led to the South experiencing a bloody and brutal defeat.

Too bad that many thousands of young Southerners then hadn't done like young Ukrainians have done now, that war would have ended much sooner. But thankfully England and France butted out of that war, unlike they are doing in Ukraine today, because had they aided the South the horror of that war would have endured longer.

Queen Victoria bit the bullet on moral principles back then, though mills in England suffered from the lack of cotton, but the ruling aristocracy of Britain today is far less moral, which is shameful, and likely imo to result eventually in an even steeper decline of the former empire.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 15 2024 18:38 utc | 97

Scorpion | 94

In the Jewish Museum in Istanbul there is a map showing how the Turks resettled Sephardic Jews from Spain into the Ottoman Empire. One of the cities shown is what is now Odessa. This is not reflected in the article you cite.

Posted by: Retired Morlock | Mar 15 2024 18:39 utc | 98

Normally I do not respond on a msg. like this below, but have decided to do so just now:

Posted by: Grieved | Mar 15 2024 18:09 utc | 84

Odessa is one of the most Russian of cities, founded by Catherine the Great. As others point out here, it's beautiful in its architecture, history and cultural and spiritual inheritance. I even could doubt that Ukrops would destroy it too badly (they did remove Catherine's statue). ...
Anyway, I've always assumed that Russia would never want to have to fight for Odessa, potentially destroying the city as they've had to destroy other places. I always assumed that the way to retake Odessa is in the surrender terms that Ukraine agrees to formally, ceding that city to RF.

That's a good thing to think about - or not? - All MoA's guys.
So pls. listen:
All those US-Biden/Nuland/Austin/Stoltenberg's NATO big media companies like CNN,MSNBC,FOY,etc - even with US-like new channels like Musk's X, we have still ONE possibilties "open being heard" either this one here on the bar - or nowhere re-located in etc. Montana Reservations - WE ALL have already left. That's the truth.

RF-Army will survice NATO in any case - not omly in UKR but also in ASIA (India/China) - that's for a bit sure.

Let's hope for UKR-Peaople that they have some remainig guys+women to re-establish THEIR OWN UKRAINE - okay?
Let's hope so.

Meanwhile
RF-Soldiers think the same on that issues.

Let the "Piano-Cock-Player" Mr.Z. blood will flow out of his body - and out of "his" mind.
That's all - and a ball to Putin + Scholz.

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Mar 15 2024 18:39 utc | 99

Why Odessa?

My understanding is that the French city of Nice on the Mediterranean coast (Population 348,085) and Odessa (Population 993,120) are twin cities. Both grew to prominence because of the steam ship connection between them, established sometime in the 1850s. Before that, Nice was little more than a fishing village.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 15 2024 15:29 utc | 8

I think the French msay be making a connection because the first governor of Odessa appointed by Empress Katherine II was a certain Armand Emmanuel de Vignerot du Plessis, 5th Duke of Richelieu.

I don't think the Banderites have removed his statue in Odessa yet, which shows the French noble dressed in a Roman toga and with laurel leaves around his head. The French governor of Odessa developed what had previously been a Turkish fishing village into a major Russian city. It still is a Russian city.

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Mar 15 2024 18:40 utc | 100

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