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March 14, 2024
Transgender – The Inability To Distinguish Facts From Wishes

Matt Taibbi opines on the latest piece of transgender nonsense:

The Dumbest Cover Story EverRacket News, Mar 13 2024
New York Magazine's "Freedom of Sex" is the ultimate example of the lunatic nihilism that's consumed America's intellectual class

New York Magazine has a new cover story, by the trans writer Andrea Long Chu: “The moral case for letting trans kids change their bodies.” A jeremiad in support of the idea that children must have absolute political agency, it makes the Unabomber manifesto read like a Shakespeare sonnet. The money passage:

We must be prepared to defend the idea that, in principle, everyone should have access to sex-changing medical care, regardless of age, gender identity, social environment, or psychiatric history.

A lot of the piece is standard-issue woe-is-me fuck-everything cartoon nihilism you’d hear from any laptop-class liberal arts product, arguing for a generalized smashing of the patriarchy, among other things by attacking the biological conspiracy to produce those units of material labor value known as babies. Complete abolition of norms would be an “impossible task,” Chu notes sadly, but that doesn’t preclude their “collective reimagining” by an alliance of intersectional victims working toward a Marxian paradise free of “oppressive systems,” which of course include the nuclear family.

The nihilism Taibbi points to is also the major theme the French anthropologist Emmanuel Todd takes on in his book "The Defeat of the West".

From its New York Times review:

This Prophetic Academic Now Foresees the West’s Defeat (archived) – New York Times, Mar 9 2024

American leadership is failing: That is the argument of an eccentric new book that since January has stood near the top of France’s best-seller lists. It is called “La Défaite de l’Occident” (“The Defeat of the West”). Its author, Emmanuel Todd, is a celebrated historian and anthropologist who in 1976, in a book called “The Final Fall,” used infant-mortality statistics to predict that the Soviet Union was headed for collapse.

Mr. Todd is not a moralizer. But he insists that traditional cultures have a lot to fear from the West’s various progressive leanings and may resist allying themselves on foreign policy with those who espouse them. In a similar way, during the Cold War, the Soviet Union’s official atheism was a deal-breaker for many people who might otherwise have been well disposed toward Communism.

Mr. Todd does believe that certain of our values are “deeply negative.” He presents evidence that the West does not value the lives of its young. Infant mortality, the telltale metric that led him to predict the Soviet collapse half a century ago, is higher in Mr. Biden’s America (5.4 per thousand) than in Mr. Putin’s Russia — and three times higher than in the Japan of Prime Minister Fumio Kishida.

While Mr. Todd is, again, not judgmental on sexual matters, he is judgmental on intellectual ones. The inability to distinguish facts from wishes astounds him at every turn of the Ukraine war. The American hope early in the war that China might cooperate in a sanctions regime against Russia, thereby helping the United States refine a weapon that would one day be aimed at China itself, is, for Mr. Todd, a “delirium.”

Back in January Todd expanded on the inability of distinguishing facts from fiction, which is also the basis of trans-genderism, during an interview with Le Figaro. From its English translation:

Q: Over time, haven't you become a bit of a reactionary?

I was brought up by a grandmother who told me that, sexually speaking, all tastes are part of nature, and I'm faithful to my ancestors. So, LGB, welcome. For T, the trans issue is something else. The individuals concerned must of course be protected. But the fixation of the Western middle classes on this ultra-minority issue raises a sociological and historical question. To establish as a social horizon the idea that a man can really become a woman and a woman a man is to assert something that is biologically impossible, it is to deny the reality of the world, it is to assert the false.

Trans ideology is therefore, in my opinion, one of the flags of this nihilism that now defines the West, this drive to destroy not just things and people but reality. But, once again, I am in no way overwhelmed here by indignation or emotion. This ideology exists and I have to integrate it into a historical model. In the age of the metaverse, I can't say whether my attachment to reality makes me a reactionary.

The intentional denial of reality, as it is currently practiced in the West, is not a new phenomenon. It is the basis of neo-conservatism from where it has crept over to the progressive side.

As Ron Susskind wrote in his portrait of the first years of the Bush junior presidency:

Faith, Certainty And The Presidency Of George W. Bush (archived) – Ron Susskind / New York Times, Oct 17 2004

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

Karl Rove, the Bush advisor Susskind had quoted, displayed the same lunatic nihilism that is represented by those who argue that children, teenagers or people generally should can freely chose their gender. It is an attempt of "creating other new realities". It represents a total denial of actual reality and of the common values derived from it. The Bush administration failed in its endeavor to create new realities in Iraq. The current regime in the West will fail likewise with regime change in Russia. So will others who deny realities.

The author of the Todd book review, Christopher Caldwell, adds:

Fighting a war based on values requires good values. At a bare minimum it requires an agreement on the values being spread, and the United States is further from such agreement than it has ever been in its history — further, even, than it was on the eve of the Civil War. At times it seems there are no national principles, only partisan ones, with each side convinced that the other is trying not just to run the government but also to capture the state.

I see a very similar denial of reality, followed by nihilism and a lack of values, at the top of the current European leadership. The loss of the common view of things is splitting societies on both sides of the Atlantic.

However, with regards to transgenderism, some sense of reality is still trying to survive:

National Health Service England stops prescribing puberty blockers, citing 'not enough evidence'USA Today. Mar 13 2024

"We have concluded that there is not enough evidence to support the safety or clinical effectiveness of (puberty suppressing hormones) to make the treatment routinely available at this time," the publication by NHS England stated.

Puberty is a natural process which often includes a temporary confusion about ones identity. Blocking a kids puberty to further some ephemeral confusion some may have during those time is in my view criminal.

I even agree with Rishi Sunack on this:

U.K. prime minister on gender: ‘A man is a man and a woman is a woman’Washington Post, Oct 5 2023

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak asserted his stance on gender identity in a speech Wednesday, stating it was “common sense” that “a man is a man and a woman is a woman” — a remark that sparked criticism from transgender rights activists and elicited fervent applause from attendees of the Conservative Party Conference.

I see myself, just like Matt Taibbi seems to see himself, as a progressive striving for a society based on some form of socialism and justice.

To then find myself on the same side of an issue as some staunch conservatives, and getting attacked for it, is mildly disturbing.

Is it really impossible to be reality based and on the left side of things?

Comments

Already 400 comments, more than for Gaza, soon more than for Ukraine?
Hard to think of a better illustration of the effectiveness of the spectacle society’s diversionary maneuvers.
Even my dearest b and many barflies fall into the trap.
True that societal is not always social, but here as elsewhere, it’s easy to see who really benefits from the “crime”.
BR

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Mar 15 2024 14:17 utc | 401

Maybe b should have opened with this.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
Voltaire (1694-1778)
Posted by: Suresh | Mar 15 2024 9:45 utc | 368
Suresh- that pithy quote beats all the chronic, lengthy, monotonous babble from the other poster’s offerings.
Thank you.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 15 2024 14:20 utc | 402

I have stayed away from this topic, as it concerns an abhorrence and ought to do so for any civilization. What about it is positive? It is an insane thought to make a practicality out of an insanity, to even suggest to children that they alter their own physical growth on behalf of an illusion. I am not condemning those who come to their sexual preferences in the natural order of living their lives. We will always, and should always have the right to choose those we love and want to live with in the privacy of our homes. The privacy of our homes!!!
My one objection in reading b’s very thoughtful essay is to his term “laptop-class liberal arts product”, since I and one daughter and her daughter now are and have always been liberal arts products, (if not ‘laptop’) since our college (the same one) as far as I know, doesn’t require its students to ‘computerize’ themselves, but seeks (or it did) for them to go to the source materials, classical writings, and read them, rather than to rely on lectures from those ‘in the know’ in order to learn about thinkers in previous civilizations indirectly.
The best teachers, called ‘tutors’ in our college, are those who are still learning, and the liberal arts are an excellent foundation for young people because they do not instruct one on what to think, but on HOW.
I will further state that I believe this is the best possible way for students at the college level to begin their lifelong learning experience – – from professors who themselves are still learning.
That is what the liberal arts are geared to present to young minds: the opportunity to begin thinking, to begin questioning: the gateway to the future, not its overarching conformity and stagnation of thought!
We should all be so lucky as to keep on learning our lives long; many of us do, since college is now a luxury product. Back in the day it was much more accessible, but it isn’t a necessity nowadays; nowadays we have more tools and more ability for self-education, with computers still able to give us access to what we need, if we use them to seek out source material. And not be stunted, when still a child, by those who think they know already – nobody does.
He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool — shun him!

Posted by: juliania | Mar 15 2024 14:31 utc | 403

@Posted by: canuck | Mar 15 2024 14:20 utc | 402
Apparently we are in sync. Just minutes ago I searched the comments
so that I could retrieve that very Voltaire quote.
I am undecided, though, whether or not to use that quote in my latest (unposted) Oct 7th post.
I favor another quote which I found after clicking on the LAUREATE link at the
top left corner of MoA (or the bottom section on a cell phone).

The Israeli newspapers are telling a significant half-truth (lying by omission).
Haaretz
Times of Israel
Israel Hayom
and the NYT
All these tell you that Israel had Hamas’ detailed Oct 7th plan a full year ago
and determined that the plan could not work…
The above is the half-truth.
The whole truth they are not telling you is that
Israel determined that Hamas’s plan would not work…without Israel’s help.
Israel removed the majority of it’s troops around Gaza just before Oct 7th.
After Hamas’ jail break IDF troops were delayed in arriving in force for several hours.
Israel slaughtered their own people, implementing the Hannibal Directive.
Israel wanted it to happen, they implemented the Hannibal Directive so as to
escalate the casualty numbers and the outrage. They wanted support for Genocide.
They and their newspapers are lying by omission.
Israel wanted the jail break to happen and made it possible.
Israel betrayed and slaughtered their own
and are now committing Genocide.
—-
“They deem him their worst enemy, who tells them the truth”
Plato, The Republic, c. 380 BC

Posted by: librul | Mar 15 2024 14:51 utc | 404

@ Posted by: geoff chambers | Mar 15 2024 13:29 utc | 397
And all,
Seductive as the theory of family of ‘peoples’ of Britain’ sounds,
It comes across as pseudo scientific and neo-religious straw clutching.
Just like Marxism , which is the anti capitalist leg that stands alongside the capitalist one – which keeps that edifice of the Collective West standing!
The English ‘nuclear family’ in the C18th? A concept that didn’t exist until , well, until after the nuclear bomb was invented ! I accept that there may have been a difference between the various peoples of the British isles. How they were born and raised within their villages. But that difference is mostly down to the level of tribalism.
The English who only came about a while after Guillame the bastard son of Falaise was bankrolled and supplied with mercenaries to invade and in effect enslave the peoples and lands through baronies and earldoms – by virtue of a stock taking exercise, an audit if you will – the Domesday Book.
This clearly determined serfs and masters. There was no ownership of land or property even by the peasants they were chattels of whichever lord was imposed. They did the work , did soldiering, were kept within their boundaries. Any attempt to move freely was curtailed. With stocks used as punishment.
That persisted until industrialisation required peasants to move from the countryside to towns where they suffered onerous condition’s and rentierism.
Scotland and Ireland and some parts of Wales and farther reaches of Britain outside of that Norman invasion ,retained their tribal groups. Until they were forcibly deconstructed , by invasion, clearance , destruction of tribal identities , prepared for their roles as imperial colonisers. Many transported against their Will or forced through starvation and terror.
The religion, Catholic from Rome , was upgraded for the Northern Europeans as they were encouraged towards their part in Imperialism – which had been an Italian/ Spanish/French /Portuguese endeavour in the early stages run through the finances of the Vatican and its Bankers.
When it became obvious the churches could not control the new industrial slaves – a new academic religion based on worldliness was needed – that came not with Adams Smith – but with JS Mills and Marx and Engels. The capitalist / Anti-Capitalist equivalent to Christ/Anti-Christ.
After all a coin always has to have two sides!
That is what everyone needs to understand , what academia invents to hide.
The Political Left/Right included. Hence in The Collective Waste we are at that point of reinvention again – to keep us under control.
When China has raised a billion people out of poverty and Russia followed suit. With other nations able to survive the attacks by the Imperialist forces now. Panic has set in. How to avoid our own peoples demanding the same security and opportunity?
Well what better way than to give them even more new religions, to set them apart from the rest of humanity, to make them feel special, advanced, civilised, smug ..?
Yeah , Gender wars – now with added agenders (sic); added to saviour fixation about Climate, Population, Resources etc.
Will we buy the latest religions? I doubt it. There are too many people in the world who are mostly interested in the reality of life – the raising out of poverty. The science and technology means that dumb propaganda can not work upon all the people. And in fact can only work upon us , the imperialist colonisers through our Culture which is defined by the Entertainment Industrial Complex.
Hence the hulabaloo on here – it also serves the dual purposes of not looking at the failure of beating Russia and the ensuing punishments and terrorising of the Palestinians.
And guess what and who the common factor is in the whole potted history?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 15 2024 15:02 utc | 405

I don’t think money explains why this is being so obviously pushed throughout military, political, media and other institutions, notably including schools. Now maybe I’m wrong, but I still think loose descriptions like ‘satanic’ or ‘demonic’ are closer to what is driving this. Because even if money is in the mix top to bottom – which I would grant you – there is something behind all that which is more than mere profit motive alone.
Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 15 2024 5:34 utc | 354
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Money explains the pushing of LGBTWXYZ the same as money drives pushing Russophobia, Zionophilia, Chinaphobia, Taiwanophilia, Islamophobia, and other ideologies and teachable neuroses that direct money flows to powerful factions in the USA and internationally.
Not to mention plain old PR/consumer advertising/manipulation of desires and anxieties.

Posted by: Jane | Mar 15 2024 15:07 utc | 406

Posted by: geoff chambers | Mar 15 2024 13:58 utc | 399
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IMO Todd sounds like a crank or high on drugs because of the self-indulgent way he writes.
Most of the time.
He can write clearly when he wants to.

Posted by: Jane | Mar 15 2024 15:09 utc | 407

Marx pioneered the perception of Society as an objective phenomenon subject to objective analysis. In other words, he turned the materialist lense, emerging as dominant in Science, on Society and Humanity. (A compelling trick, because objectivity is only a conceptual construct. It can be helpful, but it also, like reductionist materialism in science, harmfully filters out essential layers of experiential reality.)
Although many ongoing manipulations do not seem Marxian, nevertheless they promulgate the same View envisaging Society as an objective phenomenon in an objective reality. The problem is not in the particular issues like transgenderism or feminism – though they are problematic – rather the overall View. Todd describes the profound effects of undermining religion as a societal binding factor (along with seminal insights about family structures). Unlike the Marxist view, religion is based on deep transcendent values not surface materialist happenstance.
Feminism is not a traditional agent of Marxist class war, but it comes from seeing society and human beings as part of a dehumanized mechanical reality – why femininity is anathema to feminists. But there are nefarious motivations at play too deliberately attacking traditional binding factors, such as religion and family, to ensure primacy of the State over its human members, whose humanity this View does not value, making feminism a weapon in ‘neomarxist class war’.
Here the goal is to make the View a Supreme Dictator rather than the Proletariat as per original Marxist-Leninist thrust, but the underlying dynamic is essentially the same.
My two cents!

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 15 2024 15:18 utc | 408

More and more I find myself to be a Marxist with traditional family values (though tolerant of different lifestyles). I’m fed up with rigidly woke Democrats, and – much to my surprise – I’m finding it easier to talk to Republicans, even though we are far apart on economics and opinions about China and Russia.
I agree with Mickey Droy, who posted, “It isn’t left vs right anymore. It is elitist vs non-elitists. The media are on the side of the elites who think they can control opinions….” I am a proud non-elitist.

Posted by: Larry G | Mar 15 2024 15:31 utc | 409

Posted by: juliania | Mar 15 2024 14:31 utc | 403
I have stayed away from this topic, as it concerns an abhorrence and ought to do so for any civilization. What about it is positive? It is an insane thought to make a practicality out of an insanity, to even suggest to children that they alter their own physical growth on behalf of an illusion……
The best teachers, called ‘tutors’ in our college, are those who are still learning, and the liberal arts are an excellent foundation for young people because they do not instruct one on what to think, but on HOW.
I will further state that I believe this is the best possible way for students at the college level to begin their lifelong learning experience – – from professors who themselves are still learning.
That is what the liberal arts are geared to present to young minds: the opportunity to begin thinking, to begin questioning: the gateway to the future, not its overarching conformity and stagnation of thought!

Insightful, heartfelt, valuable perspective!
Unfortunately most current ‘liberal’ education is creating idiots who blindly follow whatever they are told to froth about next. It shouldn’t be that way, but it is. (I suspect that is the type of ‘laptop liberal’ b was thinking of.)

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 15 2024 15:38 utc | 410

So, another reading is that transgenderism is not only Platonic, but also draws from a free-market counter-culture libertarianism.
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 15 2024 4:17 utc | 344
It may have been Greek in terms of having become a common practice in ancient Athens but it is definitely NOT Platonic, as far as his philosophy is concerned. Our society is getting to the same point that Athenian society had reached during the time of Socrates, yet we ought to realize that his teaching could never be assumed to be that. He had a wife, and sons [see Phaedo]. And Alcibiades was miffed that Socrates did not ever take up with him [see Symposium].
His own personal life Socrates did keep to himself, teaching young folk, even noticing their adherence to what was common in having relationships, but leaving his family life private. His students knew it; Plato certainly does. If we study him, we do too.
The intrusions of government and also parading one’s intimate life outside the privacy of homes is a sad offshoot of ‘modernity’ which all of us ought to be aware of as intrusions on personal liberty. It can happen even when the government seems to be a beneficial one. Franklin D. Roosevelt’s Four Freedoms are a reminder, a restoration after the twenties of his era, of this.
This was the United States once. It can be again.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 15 2024 15:39 utc | 411

marx a rothschild a generational family of rabbi everything is talmudism synagogue of satan.
clever folks if marx was a rabbi maybe he was a lucifer loving zio nazi.
he was an english project was he not all the terrorist come to england for training divide and conquer that paid actor tallibi what his name is has not got the balls to call it trans one of many synagogue of satan projects he cannot name the yahu.
you see years ago barbera lerner spector talked of europe learning to become multicultural pit and it happened in less than 15 years this is just more goy medicine.
but this is ancient the royals of europe twas always trans shakespear in love woman as man man as woman
globo homo are the bosses the sodomites make you run make you dance slaves dance anddo not forget pay your taxes satanic tribute

Posted by: todd | Mar 15 2024 15:51 utc | 412

In terms of which, though, I think one bottom line should be: NONE of that stuff should be presented to minors, especially prepubescent children, not in the media, nor in classrooms, or books, nada. End. Of. Story.
Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 15 2024 6:02 utc | 355
I agree, Scorpion, absolutely. And if you read Plato’s Republic to be about how the youth should be educated, not about how a city should be, this would become clear. It’s hard to see; he’s dealing with a corrupted society as ours is, and he has to say things obliquely, but say them he does. I only see it now, when our society has become like his.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 15 2024 15:56 utc | 413

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 15 2024 15:38 utc | 410
Thanks, Scorpion. b did refer to ‘liberal arts’ education which should be the trivium and quadrivium classical western set of courses — and admittedly few colleges purport to offer that, but it was university fare back in the day. I lucked into it, and it helped me a lot. I’m sure you are correct and b had in mind the education you describe. Computers and libraries are good sources of education now — and I am with you on the childhood theme — children are close to angels; let them be that.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 15 2024 16:13 utc | 414

‘In terms of which, though, I think one bottom line should be: NONE of that stuff should be presented to minors, especially prepubescent children, not in the media, nor in classrooms, or books, nada. End. Of. Story.
Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 15 2024 6:02 utc | 355
I agree, Scorpion, absolutely. And if you read Plato’s Republic to be about how the youth should be educated, not about how a city should be, this would become clear. It’s hard to see; he’s dealing with a corrupted society as ours is, and he has to say things obliquely, but say them he does. I only see it now, when our society has become like his.”
Posted by: juliania | Mar 15 2024 15:56 utc | 413
You are right on with your analysis of Plato.
Nietzsche an interesting idea of self mastery and culture using Socrates as an example:
“Socrates, for example – on Nietzsche’s account – suffered from poor impulse control, ambivalence, self-doubt, and alienation, and he dealt with these disabilities by over-developing his reason and treating his appetites as the enemy. By appointing reason the ultimate master, he made it impossible to achieve true self-mastery.
“It is a self-deception on the part of philosophers and moralists if they believe that they are extricating themselves from decadence when they merely wage war against it. Extrication lies beyond their strength: what they choose as a means, as salvation, is itself but another expression of decadence; they change its expression, but they do not get rid of the decadence itself.
Socrates was a misunderstanding; the whole improvement-morality, including the Christian, was a misunderstanding. The most blinding daylight; rationality at any price; life, bright, cold, cautious, conscious, without instinct, in opposition to the instincts – all this too was mere disease, another disease, and by no means a return to “virtue,” to “health,” to “happiness.” To have to fight the instincts – that is the formula of decadence: as long as life is ascending, happiness equals instinct. (Twilight of the Idols, “The Problem of Socrates” §2.)”
Signs of decadence include guilt: watch out for people who constantly find themselves doing things they don’t approve of. Take care around those who suffer from suffering: who not only can’t get what they want, but want not to want what they want.
Now, has the culture become decadent?
Nietzsche sometimes talked about decadent cultures or peoples in the more or less ordinary sense of the term: they have lost the discipline required to achieve their values, or have lost interest in the values themselves. Laws are not enforced, standards are lowered, difficult things.” (1)
1.https://fmdolan.com/what-did-nietzsche-mean-by-decadence-has-the-culture-become-decadent/

Posted by: canuck | Mar 15 2024 16:50 utc | 415

Ukraine? Gaza? Important topics, but nevermind. Let’s stay divided and conquered over trans rights. People’s distrust in media and government is growing to a boil, but the sheep are still so easily lead to the trough it really might not matter at all.

Posted by: samm | Mar 15 2024 17:16 utc | 416

“I see myself, just like Matt Taibbi seems to see himself, as a progressive striving for a society based on some form of socialism and justice. To then find myself on the same side of an issue as some staunch conservatives, and getting attacked for it, is mildly disturbing.
Is it really impossible to be reality based and on the left side of things?”

Communists promote anti-human policies in enemy nations. This is the progressive socialist agenda at work. In Russia and China they don’t allow this stuff. Members of the socialist parties in the West promote this stuff. Until the socialists have taken over. Then they stop pushing anti-human and anti-family policies.
You are not on our side. You are a useful idiot collaborating with the cause of the attack. The victory of the attack will lead to the destabilization of the West and the victory of socialism you strive for.
Watch all these socialists now, sidling over to the right before war properly gets kicked off, basically running for cover before they all get arrested as agents of China and Russia. Don’t fall for it. They are not on our side. No socialist can be trusted on these issues.

Posted by: Jack A | Mar 15 2024 17:38 utc | 417

I’m certainly no expert on the topic in question, nor in psychology/psychiatry for that matter, but it seems transgenderism might have a wide gamut of etiologies, some of which would psychologically and phenomenologically be remarkably similar to the less discussed and indeed officially censoriously treated transracialism. First of all, it seems the classic example of transgenderism is, who can doubt, not a matter of ‘free will’ at all, quite it’s opposite: the subject at a point, usually beginning in early to late adolescence, begins to experience an acute disappointment regarding their gender manifestation, the product itself of an equally acute longing for the opposite gender, almost in the manner of a deja vu, of running across a phantasm of what was once loved, then forgotten or repressed, then suddenly and most poignantly re-encountered in phantom form. This phantasm of their former self (or someone so intensely beloved that they became seemingly inseparable from their own psyches at some point) produces in them a desire in their newly rediscovered state of ineluctable awareness to pursue the incessant goal of physical transformation and identification with the (self)-beloved: as if pursuing an image of a former self, but also perhaps of a former oppositely-sexed love lost to the entropic forces and dimensions of time, memory, and mortality. 
In which case would not the above description, i.e. entailing someone, young and impressionable, who when seeing their heteronormative father and mother chooses B instead of A, when they themselves are empirically the same biological sex as A, (the father), not be remarkably formally and phenomenally similar, to the case of someone, likewise young and impressionable, who is of a visibly particular ‘race’ or ethnicity (or, on the other hand, of no discernible ‘race’ and ethnicity) and sees themselves in the mirror and then sees another particular person, or travels to another country, or simply is exposed to other ‘races’ in the media and experiences a growing and growing form of deja vu till it can no longer be repressed in the subconscious, and after a certain point (the drop that causes the glass to overflow) so leaves them haunted that from that point on, perhaps traversed by the acute experience of first physical and emotional romantic love, they can longer repress the desire to identify and be of that other ‘race’ which they now perceive as always having haunted them to the very core of their being (which only now are the extent of which they are finally getting to know the depths of), so that its un-rectification threatens to make a parody and mockery of their very existence?
Moreso, if the above hypothetical coincides with the ’empiricality’ of a father of one ‘race’ and a mother of another ‘race,’ wherein the child, as though subliminally subjected ineluctably to a choice by the very presence of difference itself (the very Adamic apple of knowledge of choice which is the knowledge of difference and vice versa; as in free will being fundamentally the knowledge of acting and being permitted to act by something called ‘difference’ itself) chooses difference or rather is pushed to choose difference because they embody difference as such, being neither fully like the father, nor fully like the mother in many instances, by vice or virtue of their visible biraciality? Indeed, is not the latter condition and phenomenon the far more common of the two examples, to the point of encompassing the psychologies of vast swathes of people in Latin America, not only because of the highly racialized and racist legacy Euro-plutocratic neocolonial MSM in Latin America, but because of the divide and conquer caste systems established with great psychological adeptness and cunning by the Spanish, Portuguese, and other European empires in the so-called New World?

Posted by: Ludo | Mar 15 2024 18:30 utc | 418

Is this some sort TERF convention?
It’s crazy how many people obsessed over identification. It’s no ones businesses but people like the author lose their mind because people don’t adhere to his worldview.

Posted by: Peter Dahu | Mar 15 2024 20:19 utc | 419

Progressivism, leftism, socialism or whatever one might call it is concerned primarily with matters of socioeconomic class. Personal identity is not even a consideration, except in a negative sense insofar as it serves to distract people from the class concerns that are of overarching importance. It is not too far fetched, IMO, to regard identity politics as a deliberate effort to derail the broad progressive project. In the coming neofeudal age, transgender persons will discover that they have been reduced to serfdom along with the rest of humanity. They will have won their personal identity battle at a very high cost.

Posted by: Rob | Mar 15 2024 21:12 utc | 420

Dun Groanin | Mar 15 2024 15:02 utc | 405
“It [Todd’s theory of family structure] comes across as pseudo scientific and neo-religious straw clutching.”
I wouldn’t expect you to be convinced by my four-paragraph summary of a historian’s life work. The point of outlining it is to demonstrate at least that it’s empirical, based on the research of hundreds of anthropologists. If Todd’s account of the family structures of 4 continents across ten centuries is wrong, it should be easy enough to demonstrate. If the close correlation (coefficient 0.8 if I remember) between communist vote & complex family structure is wrong, you’d expect someone to say so.
The little discussion of Todd’s theory that I’ve seen has closely paralleled the criticism of the theories of Marx & Freud: his intentions are criticised, or his politics, or his relevance, but not the theory itself. But whereas the theories of Marx and Freud were eagerly discussed by scientists, poets, and churchmen, the theories of Todd are ignored. He doesn’t teach at the right university, or know the right journal editors, or belong to the right (or left) intellectual clique.
Your history of the British Isles might be correct, but doesn’t touch the theory of family structure Todd proposes, which has to be read in detail to be discussed. Todd applies it to geopolitics, but you can apply it to other fields. My first thought on encountering the theory was to search in my own ragbag of knowledge for examples that might refute or confirm it, and I remember reading the great expert on Italian Renaissance art Bernard Berenson saying that if you wanted to understand life in Tuscany you needed to read the classic work on Chinese peasant families. Berenson knew nothing of anthropology, but as a well-read intellectual, he could spot something that only made sense to a specialist decades later.
Such intellectuals are a vanished species, which is one reason we can expect little profound analysis of current events, at least in the West.

Posted by: geoff chambers | Mar 15 2024 21:51 utc | 421

@Scorpion | Mar 15 2024 15:18 utc | 408

Todd describes the profound effects of undermining religion as a societal binding factor (along with seminal insights about family structures). Unlike the Marxist view, religion is based on deep transcendent values not surface materialist happenstance.

Problem is the critique of religion, especially organized religion, is not a peculiar feature of Marxism. In the XIX century, also liberals and many conservatives were against religion or organized religion. Positivism and secular humanism were by-products of liberalism. Bismark’s Kulturkampf was anticlerical as it could be, Count of Cavour’s policy was staunchly anti-clerical, Mussolini was an anti-clerical before realizing that he could not rule Italy without some sort of compromise with the Church, Hitler’s Kirchenkampf was Bismark’s Kulturkampf 2.0. As a matter of facts, marxists, liberals and capitalists, all attacked religion and religious institutions for different reasons. Singling out Marxism is disingenuous as it was not the first, nor the main actor against religious sentiments.
On top of that, there are movements influenced by Marxism, which are deeply religious. Someone already mentioned the Sandinistas, but there is also the liberation theology. Really, the evidence of today Russia or Poland or even China shows that Marxism did not suppress the religious sentiment, on the contrary in capitalist, consummerist countries the situation is quite different.

Posted by: SG | Mar 15 2024 21:56 utc | 422

Scorpion | Mar 15 2024 15:18 utc | 408
“Todd describes the profound effects of undermining religion as a societal binding factor (along with seminal insights about family structures).”
Exactly. But the same applies to any other binding factor, including Marxism as practised by a party that commands the assent of a large proportion of society.
Where Todd goes further than other proponents of a multipolar world is that he sees that Western attempts to dominate their adversaries are bound to fail, not just because of their hypocrisy and moral degeneracy, but because they are based on a blindness to the deep unconscious structures that underly our different societies.
Just as Freud realised that we could only understand neurotic symptoms (and what we are no longer supposed to call “perversions”) if we cast aside moral judgement, so Todd provides empirical, anthropological reasons for doing the same when analysing other societies.
I saw him in a TV studio discussion at the height of the Afghan war, where various experts were predicting imminent NATO victory. He interjected something like:
“Anyone who has spent five minutes reading studies of the structure of Pashtun society knows the West isn’t going to win.”
He was ignored of course. There is no place for original, empirically based thinking in current Western intellectual life.

Posted by: geoff chambers | Mar 15 2024 22:21 utc | 423

Posted by: SG | Mar 15 2024 21:56 utc | 422
Problem is the critique of religion, especially organized religion, is not a peculiar feature of Marxism……Singling out Marxism is disingenuous as it was not the first, nor the main actor against religious sentiments.

Did not mean to imply that Marx was unique for of course like everyone else he was part of his time. And you made a good point, though one not really about what I said which was:
Marx pioneered the perception of Society as an objective phenomenon subject to objective analysis. In other words, he turned the materialist lens, emerging as dominant in Science, on Society and Humanity.
First, if I am wrong it is due to being ignorant not disingenuous and in any case I suggest you should tread lightly when making such an accusation: a hundred years ago it would oblige us to a duel to the death!! 🙂
Second: do you take issue with that point too? It really isn’t about Marx’s critique of religion per se, rather about the effect of imposing atheistic materialist views of reality over religious views generally based in more transcendent, and subjective, values (albeit imperfectly channelled in society at that time, hence so many critiques).
The point is that positing the abstraction known as ‘objective’ reality and from that then regarding Society as an objective phenomenon operating according to materialist, mechanical rules was an important philosophical sea-change which engendered a dehumanizing mindset which was, and still is, behind much of what we call modernism; and, one could argue, also why early communists, for example, felt that in order to realize their abstract utopian construct it was acceptable to murder millions who did not conform to their materialist diktats.
Oder?

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 16 2024 0:30 utc | 424

Posted by: geoff chambers | Mar 15 2024 22:21 utc | 423
“Todd describes the profound effects of undermining religion as a societal binding factor (along with seminal insights about family structures).”
Exactly. But the same applies to any other binding factor, including Marxism as practised by a party that commands the assent of a large proportion of society.

Fair enough. I have a bee in my bonnet of late about the pernicious effects of the materialist mindset but that’s just my opinion so of course could be wrong. Also, I don’t believe that most religions live up to their billing even though their underlying basis reflect deep layers of value and meaningfulness that materialism tends to block, even deny. This could be lumped in with a general observation that systemic evil in any given society arises because of the citizenry’s lack of virtue.

I saw him in a TV studio discussion at the height of the Afghan war, where various experts were predicting imminent NATO victory. He interjected something like:
“Anyone who has spent five minutes reading studies of the structure of Pashtun society knows the West isn’t going to win.”
He was ignored of course. There is no place for original, empirically based thinking in current Western intellectual life.

Well said. But then this dog with his bone would feel compelled to add: ‘another side effect of materialism which dogmatically insists that the truth, aka reality, follows ‘objective’ empirical rules that can be known and defined rather than something which must be manifest by cultivating honourable values and manifesting them as virtue in everyday life and society in general hierarchically and culturally built around such values.’ It’s a very different orientation.
With an irony. Note how your sentence and mine both mention empiricism. The problem is that materialist objectivity is an abstract mental construct, ergo not empiricist – in other words, a Big Lie. Todd obviously doesn’t hold to that view and so comes up with original, pithy insights which materialists love to dismiss. It’s what they do…

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 16 2024 0:45 utc | 425

Speaking of this issue, along comes a new release: a tranny video starring an all-tranny cast (all females in the vid are males):
https://www.megynkelly.com/2024/03/14/dylan-mulvaney-days-of-girlhood-music-video/
Intensely frivolous and so tragi-comically heartbreaking.

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 16 2024 0:57 utc | 426

https://tinyurl.com/2yjjw5xs
ZH article. 15 female athletes sue.
About time.

Riley Gaines, 15 Other Female Athletes Sue NCAA Over Transgender Madness
In the latest attack on transgender madness in women’s sports, former University of Kentucky Wildcats swimmer Riley Gaines and 15 other female athletes have filed suit against the NCAA alleging violations of federal Title IX law arising from its insertion of man-to-woman transgender athletes into women’s competition.

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 16 2024 1:26 utc | 427

An unteresting letter on this subject by one Ben Rust in the Weekly Worker.
“….Gender ideology has taken on much of the language of previous radical politics, whilst changing its meaning. The charge of ‘biological essentialism’ within feminism, including socialist feminism, once referred to the essentialising of sex stereotypes, but now involves denying the material reality of biology and its role in social reproduction, or in practice offering an often misogynistic mapping of sex stereotypes onto the other sex.
“For feminism, the meaning of gender involved socialising individuals into a social structure, which for historical reasons asserted the superiority of men over women and subjugated women to specific roles. Some feminists believed this benefitted all men and disadvantaged all women in equal measure, and drew the conclusion that patriarchy, rather than social class, was the major fault line in society. Others attempted to combine a critique of gender with social class, but, generally speaking, all of them wanted to stop putting people into pink and blue boxes.
“Trans ideology, on the other hand, asserts that gender is not socially constructed, but internal and innate. This theoretically confused and politically debilitating notion is now unfortunately uncritically accepted by much, although certainly not all, of the left. As the political philosopher, Rebecca Reilly-Cooper, has pointed out in her perceptive observations of this phenomenon, this identity ideology accepts the gender categorisations of capitalism, and, rather than wanting to tear down the stereotypes, asserts that there are more than just the two boxes.
“This relies upon and encourages no collective challenge to gender oppression, but instead embraces a personalised neoliberal entrepreneurialism, where we simply reinvent ourselves. So some declare themselves ‘trans’, a select few are ‘non-binary’, while the majority remain ‘cis-gender’. A smaller handful might opt out of the gender spectrum altogether, declaring themselves ‘agender’ or ‘pangender’. This is why capitalism has no issue with embracing identity ideology, as it does not in any way challenge structural oppression or exploitation. As Reilly-Cooper observes, no amount of calling themselves ‘agender’ or insisting on their own pronouns would prevent employers seeing them as women and potential baby-makers, and discriminating against them on that basis.
‘Trans ideology, like all contemporary identity politics, has nothing to offer collective movements for social change. It has succeeded in becoming a mainstream narrative because of the retreat of social movements and a working class left. If it is embraced more wholeheartedly in North America than in Britain, that is largely because the retreat and weakness of the left is even more pronounced there.”
https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1482/letters/

Posted by: bevin | Mar 16 2024 4:09 utc | 428

“College swimmers, volleyball players sue NCAA over transgender policies”
https://apnews.com/article/transgender-lia-thomas-swimming-lawsuit-b7df63108a03100f36b2e4364d585cdc

Posted by: WMG | Mar 16 2024 4:38 utc | 429

A video about “Reversed Racism” (black americans can also be racists):
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/m0r0y0WHK9A
“Anti Racism has gone too far”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TSCjXESRow
John McWhorther has published a number of books and has been featured in a number of videos. Just do a search with GOOGLE or on YouTube. He also is campaigning against “wokism”.

Posted by: WMG | Mar 16 2024 4:47 utc | 430

“College swimmers, volleyball players sue NCAA over transgender policies”
https://apnews.com/article/transgender-lia-thomas-swimming-lawsuit-b7df63108a03100f36b2e4364d585cdc
Posted by: WMG | Mar 16 2024 4:38 utc | 429

One can also GOOGLE the words “Riley Gaines”, “Lia Thomas” to learn more about this case.

Posted by: WMG | Mar 16 2024 4:53 utc | 431

Hi, I have arrived! The pro-trans person that you can all gang up on and attack!
I appreciate the geopolitical analysis here and people seem to know what they are talking about. Only now I wonder, because you are clearly and massively ignorant on this issue.
There is no trans ideology. There is no trans movement.
There are just trans people. What you don’t like about them is that they exist. They have always existed and always will. You know what this means? It means the problem is you.
You call out US imperialism but you are happy to spew bigoted nonsense about one of the most marginalized groups on the planet.
This is the same process by which Israeli society has gone batshit crazy and is 1000% in favor of genocide. It’s the othering of people who have been completely abandoned by the world.
You decry US imperialism but you blame trans people for … what, even? What did they ever do to you?
You are proud of not knowing the difference between sex and gender and think that you are on the side of reality. Ha!
Let’s say for the sake of argument that there is no such thing as gender, and anyone who “pretends” to be something than their assigned gender is wrong – what would you do to them? What is the penalty for it? You say you’re progressive – can you let them just exist? Because they are not going away. If you can’t let them exist, you’d better start, because you know where that leads.
This is scapegoating and it makes me think you have some other kind of agenda here, something other than calling out the crimes of the rules-based order.
When trans people are attacked and marginalized it is your fault. You are no better than zionists.
Keep the topic of trans people out of your mouths.
Oh, and Matt Taibbi hasn’t been even vaguely left for decades. He’s always been a misogynist bigot, and now he’s crusading to erase a powerless population who just want to exist as themselves.

Posted by: Slendy Warlos | Mar 16 2024 5:40 utc | 432

geoff chambers | Mar 15 2024 22:21 utc | 423
on Todd, thank you, I really liked that comment/insight. Feels very right to me. It’s why almost no one understand Russia et al. And all Europeans are not all the same either.
For the same kinds of reasons the issues surrounding climate changes and ecosystems destruction cannot be addressed rationally or empirically. “The deep unconscious structures that underlay our different societies”, and different value systems within societies, keep getting in the way.

@ Slendy Warlos | Mar 16 2024 5:40 utc | 432
“There is no trans ideology. There is no trans movement. There are just trans people.”
Saying what is most important of all. Thank you. Well put.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 16 2024 6:43 utc | 433

Todd applies it to geopolitics, but you can apply it to other fields. My first thought on encountering the theory was to search in my own ragbag of knowledge for examples that might refute or confirm it, and I remember reading the great expert on Italian Renaissance art Bernard Berenson saying that if you wanted to understand life in Tuscany you needed to read the classic work on Chinese peasant families.
Such intellectuals are a vanished species, which is one reason we can expect little profound analysis of current events, at least in the West.
Posted by: geoff chambers | Mar 15 2024 21:51 utc | 421
Geoff you might find the cognitive science work of George Lakoff useful … and mirroring some of Todd’s work from a primary psychological family make up / linguistics point of view.
George Lakoff: How Brains Think: The Embodiment Hypothesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuUnMCq-ARQ
or short
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzKPHfWTrSg
or shorter on ‘framing’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_CWBjyIERY
or search for less detailed summaries of his principles and how/why they directly interact with politics etc.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 16 2024 6:54 utc | 434

Rob | Mar 15 2024 21:12 utc | 420
“It is not too far fetched, IMO, to regard identity politics as a deliberate effort to derail the broad progressive project.”
Deliberate or not, but in the National Democratic Institute (NDI) (a parallel and possibly larger US-interference vehicle than the National Endowment for Democracy (NED)) there are four Advisory Councils. One of them is called Equal Voices for Democracy: “Equal Voices for Democracy is an initiative that expands LGBTI participation in political life so their voices are heard and their rights and dignity are secured.” And they elaborate on what they are coaxing “local partner” individuals to do in target countries.
“LGBTI participation in political life” ranks high and ever-higher on the agenda of US, what do we call it? Diplomacy? You must do it all, and if you don’t, you will be sanctioned. It’s weaponised in the cause of imperialism and neocolonialism.

Posted by: Dominic | Mar 16 2024 7:45 utc | 435

It’s very amusing to see the conclusions people arrive at about trans people when there’s very clearly another thing that they actually care about and are just trying to fit trans people into it somehow, while having no understanding of the actual topic.
“Hmm, trans people, well, I don’t know much about them, but hey, what about the Iraq War? I know all about that. If we simply throw trans people into the same framework I have for understanding that, I won’t have to learn a new thing!”
Every third comment in here (if I’m being generous) is doing the same thing but about a different, equally random connection. “I don’t know much about trans people, but I do know about Plato,” “I don’t know much about trans people, but I know about Zionism,” etc. All of it displays both a complete lack of understanding of the scientific literature and a lack of the most basic level of humility necessary to possess any sort of curiosity about the world – an awareness that there may be things that you don’t just instantly understand the instant you look at them.
When reactionaries make the point that transitioning is “biologically impossible,” thinking that they’re making some kind of insightful point, it only displays their own ignorance and the shallowness of their thinking. Of course, it isn’t possible to change everything down to genetic markers – if it were, then there would be little reason to distinguish between trans and cis people at all. Neither trans people nor our allies make any such claim. Moreover, if you oppose trans rights on the basis of transitioning being “biologically impossible,” then you are as foolish as someone who opposes airplanes on the basis that you’re “enforcing the law of gravity.” Why is it necessary for you to intervene to prevent an impossibility?
Here’s the takeaway: If you wanna talk about something, you can just talk about it without twisting it to somehow include a hot take on a topic you know nothing about. You’re allowed to not have a take about a thing.

Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 16 2024 8:17 utc | 436

“Is it really impossible to be reality based and on the left side of things?
The problem here seems to me that several old dinosaurs have an inability to undergo personal growth based on new information and they are instead projecting their inability to accept reality is different to how they perceived it 50 years ago onto trans people.
All of this “they can’t accept reality” nonsense hinges upon dismissing both the scientific (biologists explaining sex identification has never been simple or binary) and medical community (objective fact that this leads to better outcomes for trans people). How can you call yourselves scientific socialists when you choose to dismiss it?
This is reactionary behaviour. A behaviour motivated by an inability to look past personal prejudices and to take on new information.
Not to mention that all of you so-called marxists that love to look down your nose at these trans people and talk about materialism aren’t even analysing this using materialism, let alone dialectics. You are all analysing trans people through the lens of Dualism.
You are hardly marxists anymore.
If any of you had a single jot of sense you would have realised by now that the incredible strain and prejudice trans people are under radicalises nearly all of them when given one single ounce of theory to explain the attacks they receive. Rather than attacking them you all should have seen this as an opportunity, no other group in society radicalises as hard and as quickly as trans people do. No other group in society so clearly and firmly recognises the sincere need for revolution and the destruction of capitalism in order for their conditions to improve. They know, better than anybody, how much they are being weaponised as a wedge to divide the working class. By the capitalists. You are complete and utter fools for not seeing it.

Posted by: Awoo | Mar 16 2024 9:24 utc | 437

“Is it true that, in general,[3] the economic struggle “is the most widely applicable means” of drawing the masses into the political struggle? It is entirely untrue. Any and every manifestation of police tyranny and autocratic outrage, not only in connection with the economic struggle, is not one whit less “widely applicable” as a means of “drawing in” the masses. The rural superintendents and the flogging of peasants, the corruption of the officials and the police treatment of the “common people” in the cities, the fight against the famine-stricken and the suppression of the popular striving towards enlightenment and knowledge, the extortion of taxes and the persecution of the religious sects, the humiliating treatment of soldiers and the barrack methods in the treatment of the students and liberal intellectuals — do all these and a thousand other similar manifestations of tyranny, though not directly connected with the “economic” struggle, represent, in general, less “widely applicable” means and occasions for political agitation and for drawing the masses into the political struggle? The very opposite is true. Of the sum total of cases in which the workers suffer (either on their own account or on account of those closely connected with them) from tyranny, violence, and the lack of rights, undoubtedly only a small minority represent cases of police tyranny in the trade union struggle as such. Why then should we, beforehand, restrict the scope of political agitation by declaring only one of the means to be “the most widely applicable”, when Social-Democrats must have, in addition, other, generally speaking, no less “widely applicable” means?”

Posted by: Awoo | Mar 16 2024 9:29 utc | 438

the left has become strange these days. Specially Identity Politics, i don’t get how this is considered “left” anyway.
Capitalism is good in adapting, maybe he mimicked the Left and this is it.
Capitalism has no general problem with the Left, at least it’s absolutely not racist, sexist… just bc it doesn’t care about anything but the wallet. But it’s striking how well capitalism & Identity Politics get along.
“Conscience” is a products on it’s own, becoming life style created additional fields of income. But this mindset serves capitalism even further. Cultivating a fetish for minorities, the more minor the better, this should also make sense in an economically way. Specially when prominently placing some tokens in the board or enabling gender neutral speech is becoming more important than the actual employees.
While a typical left task was to make ppl aware of the power they actually have & unite them – Identity Politics is the perfect tool for Divide & Conquer.
Members of majorities are told to acknowledge their silver spoon & “privileges”, before they’re even allowed to speak; and how should members of minorities feel solidarity with sb who supposedly took away all their opportunities.
Sure, there is racism etc… but to exaggerate it to the point you become the -isms you intended to fight is hardly the answer. And pretty weird to pretend, wealth wouldn’t weigh out/ cancel all the other categories combined.
So a “black” millionaire married to an English Royal is claiming to be “marginalized”, while the guy searching trash cans for deposit is unnoticed anyway, probably deserved it.
To me, the “left” approach always used to be to consider how ppl actually are. Identity Politics seems to be all about “chances”… like the famous promise, “everybody can make it…”, w/ the reverse conclusion implied (ofc no way everybody, even anyone is unlikely) – reflecting a mindset, i don’t know if it’s the base or destination that shines through here.
At universities etc it’s common Left Wing is dominating. As many “revolutionary” adolescents became part of the system, maybe this is a way for them to keep their image up. But setting people up against each other, while shifting the focus away from real matters – what more could you ask for.

Posted by: Fahrenheit1984 | Mar 16 2024 10:34 utc | 439

Farenheit1984 I’m sorry but “Identity politics” is just a buzzword for something that has always existed, Lenin fought on the side of everyone that was included in “identity politics” in his day. But the reactionaries of today’s self-labelled “marxists” (don’t laugh) don’t like it because they don’t like lgbt people being included and refuse to self-crit.
Stalin:

In answer to your inquiry :
National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.
Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.
In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.
J. Stalin
January 12, 1931

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm
This is no less applicable to today’s most marginalised, forgotten and attacked of the “identity politics” you hate so much. You all would have been the opponents of the communists of that era, falling in with chauvinists and opportunists. “Wah wah wah the Jewish issue is divisive, we should focus on class and only class” you would have said. Idiotic.

Posted by: Awoo | Mar 16 2024 11:19 utc | 440

@ Awoo and Jadzia Dax
Excellent. Myself, I’ve always found it amusing how marxists — not marxism, but marxists — have in the main rejected god but kept Leviticus.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 16 2024 12:10 utc | 441

@Scorpion | Mar 16 2024 0:30 utc | 424

And you made a good point, though one not really about what I said which was:
Marx pioneered the perception of Society as an objective phenomenon subject to objective analysis. In other words, he turned the materialist lens, emerging as dominant in Science, on Society and Humanity.

Well, I consider that one of Marx’s achievement. Marx would have never accepted the subjectivization of social studies (let’s not call them science), e.g. the total madness about pronouns.

@Awoo | Mar 16 2024 11:19 utc | 440

[…] “Identity politics” is just a buzzword for something that has always existed, Lenin fought on the side of everyone that was included in “identity politics” in his day.

Nope. Identity politics, that is modern tribalism, regards, presumed or real, innate conditions, as race, sex, sexual orientation etc., while Lenin’s class struggle regarded an imposed social condition, that of proletarian, regardless of innate conditions. Between the two ideas there is the same difference that goes between an organized church and a sectarian cult. Needless to say, that the sectarianism of identity politics prevents a cohesive struggle against the economic ruling class and its real and effective privileges.

@Slendy Warlos | Mar 16 2024 5:40 utc | 432

There is no trans ideology. There is no trans movement.
There are just trans people. What you don’t like about them is that they exist.

As Žižek put it: there is nothing inherently revolutionary in transgenderism, i.e. it has nothing to do with the left. What I do not like about transgenderism is the fact that my society, including me, has to waste good money and time on issues that have no social value whatsoever (and could be actually harmful): gender transition and gender therapy paid by the national health system, special housing and social shelters etc.
There is one thing that is good about transgenderism, though. It exposed some of the demented implications of its sibling, militant feminism, as, for example, the battle for equality (i.e. equal payment) in sport between men and women.

Posted by: SG | Mar 16 2024 12:10 utc | 442

@ Awoo again
Naughty of you to cite Stalin in this discussion! Granted, he preserved a little bit of the women’s liberation of the Lenin years — women could continue to work because he faced a severe labor shortage — but if the Order of Maternal Glory wasn’t a reinforcement of traditional sex/gender roles — in this case, women as baby factories — what is? Similarly, he recriminalized abortion and homosexual acts, possibly less out of animosity than out of a need for bodies, but hardly because he was engaging in materialist dialectics.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 16 2024 12:20 utc | 443

@Malenkov
Citing him isn’t intended to pretend the man was perfect but to highlight how easily you can translate current reaction the struggles of the marginalised to historical reaction. The issue being that historical communists sided with the marginalised while these “marxists” (lol, lmao) desperately try to appeal to a caricature of the working class man who they envisage as holding these reactionary beliefs.
These opportunists would have behaved the same way then as they behave now. They would have argued for throwing any and all marginalised peoples under a bus in the name of eliminating “divisive” issues that take the focus away from class an only class.
In reality any and ALL of these issues should be studied properly, understood to be part of struggles of capitalism and fought in a manner that makes them mutually part of class struggle. These so-called marxists however prefer to divide, they prefer to marginalise, they prefer to oppress rather than liberate. They are lazy, they refuse to learn, and they function as part of the divisive forces whether they realise it or not.

Posted by: Awoo | Mar 16 2024 13:23 utc | 444

@SG
Zizek has written and made appearance numerous times on cia outlets like radio free europe. I could not care less what he has to say. Anyone pretending to be part of “the left” and taking their influence from those that see no problem with this is suspicious and has exceptionally poor judgement.

Posted by: Awoo | Mar 16 2024 13:30 utc | 445

@ Awoo
Agree entirely.
This site would benefit greatly if you became a regular commenter.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 16 2024 13:35 utc | 446

“When reactionaries make the point that transitioning is “biologically impossible,” thinking that they’re making some kind of insightful point, it only displays their own ignorance and the shallowness of their thinking. Of course, it isn’t possible to change everything down to genetic markers..”
Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 16 2024 8:17 utc | 436
Thank you for that admission.
However, The only reason millions of Americans, and one Supreme Court judge (1) are led to believe gender fluidity is for only one reason as dictated by the PTB:
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
Voltaire (1694-1778)
1. “As the confirmation hearing for Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson went into hour 13, Sen. Marsha Blackburn asked the Supreme Court nominee on Tuesday to define the word “woman.” “I can’t — ” Jackson replied. “You can’t?” Blackburn said.Mar 22, 2022”

Posted by: canuck | Mar 16 2024 13:43 utc | 447

“@ Awoo again
Naughty of you to cite Stalin in this discussion! Granted, he preserved a little bit of the women’s liberation of the Lenin years — women could continue to work because he faced a severe labor shortage — but if the Order of Maternal Glory wasn’t a reinforcement of traditional sex/gender roles — in this case, women as baby factories — what is? Similarly, he recriminalized abortion and homosexual acts, possibly less out of animosity than out of a need for bodies, but hardly because he was engaging in materialist dialectics.”
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 16 2024 12:20 utc | 443
Have to agree with you on this issue.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 16 2024 13:44 utc | 448

@Fahrenheit1984
What you’re describing is Rainbow Capitalism, as in the slogan, “Queer Liberation Not Rainbow Capitalism.” Capitalism may not have a problem with Rainbow Capitalism, but it does have a problem with queer liberation. There are, of course, some trans people who are liberals, just as there are liberals in any group. But trans people are more prone to reject that way of thinking than most people.
Our goal is not “More female drone pilots” or “Get a trans person on the board of Lockheed Martin.” Queer liberation calls for structural change and dismantling of systems of oppression. Corporations, as you observe, can easily enough survive having diverse people in positions of power, so long as they are still able to exert that power against people of lower status – and so they encourage and promote that strain of liberalism. And that’s how you get the Pinkertons and Ratheon changing their profile pics to pride flags, which most queer people, at least the ones I know, mock and reject.
But it doesn’t really matter what we think, does it? The people with money have a stronger signal and the vision of LGBT rights that they want to promote is obviously one that doesn’t challenge them. And we are few enough in number that many people aren’t going to know any trans people irl.
So long as there exists a category of “subhuman” we will be at risk of being placed in it. Solidarity is not only a good thing, it is a necessary survival strategy. If today it’s Palestinians and immigrants in the meat grinder, tomorrow it may just as easily be us. Capitalism requires an underclass of desperate people who will accept whatever offer they are given, and so long as it exists it will place people in that position.
Somehow, people like to twist this position as somehow dividing the working class. I guess because standing up for the oppressed makes some people uncomfortable? At that point I don’t understand why one would bother to care about Palestinians or the people of Donbass. What if defending them alienates people? Surely it’s more politically expedient to throw them under the bus alongside trans people.
But I happen to believe that I’m not the only one who understands that, so long as there is a bus to be thrown under, nobody is safe. When you sacrifice a group you are not just losing those people but also the people who care about those people and those who realize they might be next.

Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 16 2024 14:29 utc | 449

Posted by: hedlykarok | Mar 14 2024 13:15 utc | 32
“Loretta” said “she” approves of your comical reference, but only if you accaept “her” right to want to have babies…

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Mar 16 2024 14:49 utc | 450

The trannie brigade has shown up to speak to power (MoA commenters) about the Most Oppressed People Ever (those who have the entire Establishment enforcing their personal fetish.)
No, biology is not outdated, and it is binary. All humans, animals, and most plants are sexually binary. Either they produce large gametes, or they produce small gametes. That is how species propagate themselves. I think we learned from the Fauci emails how easy it is to find scientists willing to lie for grants, so any “biologist” who claims that there are more than two sexes should be investigated for their ties.
Thank you to Scorpion for linking to the Dylan video, which illustrates perfectly the trans mindset. They get off of being perceived as women, or more accurately as teenaged girls, or their fantasies about what it is like to be a teenaged girl. It involves pink skimpy clothing, lots of writhing on beds, shaking their booty in front of horny men (who then become aroused), and pillow fights during slumber parties. Oh, and shopping, of course.
How revolutionary.
Men are more prone to fetishes than actual women are, from foot fetishes to pedophilia to autogynephelia (which is what most trans-identified men have.)
Why the Establishment has picked this one to elevate and enforce, (because this particular fetish involves the rest of society to “affirm” them, or they say they don’t “exist”) is something I don’t know.
But I can see it, same as everyone else.
The bullshit claim that “We just want to live our best life and be left alone” is easily disproven by the Riley Gaines lawsuit, as well as the abuse and threats hurled at JK Rowling and other women who are not down with the fetish. Why should all of society be forced to cosplay with men in dresses and makeup? Why can’t we be left alone? When the entire force of corporate and governmental power comes down on the side of the trans, you know it is not only not revolutionary, it is a divide and conquer tactic of our ruing overlords.
As for the USSR, having babies and raising them, are not easy things to do. I would say that a three year maternity leave is something to be emulated, not scorned.
In the USA, women are expected to work up to the day of delivery, and then get an unpaid leave of six weeks.
And they call that Freedom™.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Mar 16 2024 14:51 utc | 451

@canuck

Thank you for that admission.

Calling it an “admission” is like going to an astrophysics conference and saying, “Aha, so you admit that the Earth revolves around the Sun!” If you had made even the slightest attempt to understand what the scientific consensus is, you wouldn’t find my statement remarkable.

However, The only reason millions of Americans, and one Supreme Court judge (1) are led to believe gender fluidity

You say that as if my “admission” somehow invalidates gender fluidity, again displaying your ignorance of the subject.

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”

“I don’t know anything about trans issues, but what about Voltaire? I know about Voltaire!”
The existence and validity of trans people is not “absurd,” nor is it used to justify atrocities, nor is it necessary to justify atrocities, as the state is perfectly capable of justifying atrocities through other lines.

Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 16 2024 15:03 utc | 452

The difference is that Palestinians and Novorussians are the actual people of the land they inhabit. They are not parachuted into an already existing community of people, with tons of money and public support from the Western power structure, telling their new colonial subjects that any Resistance means they’re bigots and TERF and antisemites.
Jews and transpeople should be allowed to live safely and freely, definitely in the West and hopefully one day everywhere. Zionists and those trans individuals who insist on denying humanity (“birthing bodies”) and material reality (trans women forcing themselves into women’s shelters and locker rooms) to those they subjugate, are odious thieving colonizing projects deserve to be wiped from the face of the planet. They do more to harm the safety of Jews and transpeople than any other group.

Posted by: Em | Mar 16 2024 15:05 utc | 453

I appreciate the posters who tried (hopefully succeeding with the open minded in) leading the divided hateful to the peaceful waters of understanding. Valuable as well to see more clearly who is who as they remove any masks. Twisted antipathies that reveal tendencies and beliefs that fall four square into simpler tropes traditionally filed under NAZI.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Mar 16 2024 15:14 utc | 454

Posted by: Slendy Warlos | Mar 16 2024 5:40 utc | 432
Hi, I have arrived! The pro-trans person that you can all gang up on and attack! ….
There is no trans ideology. There is no trans movement.
There are just trans people. What you don’t like about them is that they exist. They have always existed and always will. You know what this means? It means the problem is you.

Stay out of girls bathrooms, stay out of women’s sports, quit pushing drugs and surgeries on minors, quit normalizing a sexual fetish (which kills the kink) and quit lying about how you just want to exist and be accepted for what you are.
Until you all do that you are a clear and present danger to children and women and must be firmly rejected!
That said, I suspect you are right that there isn’t really a trans community or trans movement per se because the entire thrust is a narcissistic fetish, an extreme form of onanism that gets off on being watched during the performance. I’ve had a tranny as house guest a couple of times (friend of a friend) and it is a sad, passive-aggressive trip, one that I suspect leads to a high percentage of suicides. We breath a sigh of relief when he-she leaves and decided never to have him-her back again. He-She can exist just fine, but not in my house!
In wider society though, it seems mainly a top-down driven psy-op designed to further fracture what little is left of our civilization. If you are a real trans person and are buying into and even pushing the psy-op as you did in your post above, then you are an enemy of sorts and should not expect, let alone demand, to be treated otherwise. Again, because the children.
If you want to be accepted, just go to Israel! That’s where most of this stuff comes from….

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 16 2024 15:33 utc | 455

@Em
Damn, where do I sign up to get parachuted to another country with tons of money and support? That sounds awesome. Is there, like, a registration form somewhere? Or do I just show up to, like, a consulate? Do I get to choose where I go? Where can I find out more about this program?

Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 16 2024 15:34 utc | 456

Posted by: js | Mar 14 2024 13:19 utc | 33
Thanks, js.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Mar 16 2024 15:36 utc | 457

Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 16 2024 15:03 utc | 452
So you believe a man can become a fully functioning biological woman and a woman can be a fully biological functioning biological man?
Yes or no?

Posted by: canuck | Mar 16 2024 15:53 utc | 458

Awoo
Identity politics is nonsensical BS designed to tear us apart. The facts that a person is male, middle-aged, “white”, “cis”, etc. tells us nothing meaningful or useful about what they believe. The elevation of identity politics as something to fight over and divide us is another genius move by the masters of the universe … they started with the invention of “white” a few centuries ago and are now down to new idiocies like Trans … they will never stop.

Posted by: Caliman | Mar 16 2024 16:04 utc | 459

@canuck
I do not believe that it is possible to change every aspect of a person’s biology to the point that they are indistinguishable from a cis person of the opposite gender, down to genetics. I’m not sure anyone does, outside of strawmen that exist solely in the minds of transphobes.

Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 16 2024 16:08 utc | 460

@canuck
Your entire premise is wrong, you misunderstand the material base of gender. You’re obsessed with it having a biological base but this is incorrect. A properly informed materialist must see this by looking at historical societies and seeing that gender has been so different within different societal structures. To quote a rather excellent manifesto on this topic:
Gender is produced primarily by the division of reproductive labor. Reproductive labor is any labor that helps to produce the next generation, including sex, birth, childcare, and homemaking, and gender is defined by how this labor is divided up, with the different genders being distinct classes which are expected to perform specific sorts of tasks regarding reproductive labor.
The way gender differs between cultures is determined by how these tasks are divvied up between the genders. The particular characteristics that this produces are what is known as the superstructure. So, while gender is produced by this material base, it also involves an amalgamation of various stereotypes, ways of dress, formal speech, etc in its superstructure which differ how we experience our gender.
And this applies to all cultures. The Bugi people of Indonesia, rather than the two genders of our society, have five genders in total. Calabai and calalai people have biological characteristics that have been gendered as male and female respectively, but they adopt the reproductive labor tasks typically assigned to makkunrai (roughly equivalent to women) and oroané (roughly equivalent to men) which provides them with a different social class. More interestingly, however, are the bissu, the fifth gender, which fills a role distinct from the other four. They fill special ceremonial religious practices and are said to be a mixture of the four other genders. Whereas makkunrai and calabai take on typically feminine reproductive labor tasks, such as homemaking, and oroané and calalai take on typically masculine ones, such as providing support for their spouse, the bissu transcend this and engage in their own tasks.
The Bugi gender system shows how malleable gender can be, but it also provides us with an excellent example of the material base to gender. The five genders of the Bugi are distinguished by how reproductive labor is divided among the Bugi people. Everything else is produced by this division.
Our culture is different from theirs but both are based upon the same sorts of divisions of reproductive labor. What produces gender is how these tasks are divvied up and all else follows from this.
This talk of material relations so often come down to naming capitalistic relations as the base of things, but this does not hold with gender. While gender and capitalism work together and are a part of the same social order, they do not share the same material base. This isn’t to say that the material base of gender has no relation to capitalism; reproductive labor is required for producing new laborers for capitalistic production and capitalistic production tends to define the exact nature of male reproductive labor.
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So how does biology play into this? Gender forms the basis of sex. We are not born with sex already within us. We have penises, vaginas, breasts, beards, chromosomes, etc, but these things are not sex on their own. They are features of our biology, but we group them into sexes. When we call penises boy parts we are creating and imposing gender upon the body.
What this means is that sex is the gendering of our biological features. We assign gender to our biology and claim them to be innate. This is used to present the gender class system as a natural thing that just exists rather than a social system that gets imposed upon us. By gendering our bodies, we act as if gender just is rather than it being something that we’ve created. As such, sex serves to reinforce and defend gender.

Gender is the oldest class system. In some societies it was a binary, while in others it was 3, 4, even 5 clearly defined genders.
You must start your analysis of the system from its material base, not from the pre-assumption that the existing system we have evolved into via european colonialism and religion systematically destroying all competing cultures and different forms of society.
This is the correct analysis of gender, if you apply a materialist analysis to the topic and analyse it properly through history. A historically materialist gender analysis, if you will. If you apply this rule of gender construction as a division of reproductive labour holds true to every single instance of differing societies that produced different outcomes historically and it holds true to our current society also, which is going through changes as we speak as a result of the divisions of reproductive labour being drastically changed in the last 50 years. Caused by numerous crises of capitalism creating revolutionary shifts in the conditions of women through concessions, granted either through struggle or the wartime crises created by imperialism.

Posted by: Awoo | Mar 16 2024 16:28 utc | 461

Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 16 2024 16:08 utc | 460
outside of strawmen that exist solely in the minds of transphobes.

I just chatted with my wife, whose friend brought the tranny – twice. I had forgotten this but her friend is a gay shrink from Mexico City, and the tranny is part friend part client – or something. There were three items of interest:
1. We both noticed this earlier but something I don’t like with the general gay business is the insistence of pushing it on you, demanding acceptance etc versus just being self-contained and ordinary. That self-centered pushiness is hard imposition to deal with.
2. That same pushiness was there with the tranny. He-she essentially self-invited him-herself to our house: we weren’t told until three of them arrived on the doorstep instead of the expected two. More importantly both of us had similar feelings of sadness and weirdness. Playing with gender roles and kinky sexual presence quite understandably makes some people uncomfortable; moreover this discomfort is being imposed on hosts. Weird.
3. This experienced shrink says that ‘most trannies don’t live very long’, so I was right about suicide. Sad. I strongly felt the potential for suicide in this person which, needless to say, is disturbing. But if you were to commiserate with that person for being confused and unhappy, you would be attacked for being patronizing or ‘transphobic’.
Such impressions are not ‘strawmen’. Suicide is more than a frivolous talking point.
And again: children should not be exposed to this sort of extreme, suicide-encouraging fetishism.

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 16 2024 16:47 utc | 462

But Awoo, unlike the tribalists of Indonesia, you and I live in a society where males and females can look like and act like and love and work at whatever they want … there are no gendered roles in our society any more. All that’s left is actual sex: 99.5% of the time, M or F.
That is why this stuff is simply an unnecessary distraction in western society, not to mention harmful to the people mutilating themselves in pursuit of an unnecessary body image.

Posted by: Caliman | Mar 16 2024 16:52 utc | 463

@Scorpion
Literally nothing you said has anything to do with the point we were discussing. Are transphobes even literate?
I said that nobody believes it’s possible to completely change a person’s biology to be indistinguishable from a cis person of the opposite gender, and your response was just, “blah blah blah I saw a trans person once and they made me uncomfortable, blah blah blah suicide blah blah blah.”
You’re not even capable of formulating the position you’re trying to argue against. Hell, you can barely keep track of a conversation without the brain worms taking you off to left field.

Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 16 2024 17:14 utc | 464

@Caliman
1. This is an imperial core mindset. Have you forgotten that an entire world exists outside of the west? Outside of europe’s walled garden and america’s empire or its vassals? I know it’s popular among people living in the west to forget that they are only a fifth of the world’s population but anyone calling themselves a marxist should know better.
2. It is hardly correct to suggest that the gender roles and divisions of labour between men and women have resolved themselves into equality, even within the imperial core. These are social forces that have been undergoing a multi-century shift. They are forces that are still in motion and have certainly not yet finished resolving.
You’re correct in analysing that these roles are undergoing a fundamental change. But you’re too early in presuming that they have completed that change. The myriad differences between men and women exist as a result of gender being a class system in which a hierarchy between man (ruling class under patriarchy) and woman (the ruled class under patriarchy). This class dynamic still exists and is the primary class dynamic of patriarchy but they are not the only classes under it.
Queer people (lgbtq+) under patriarchy are subversive because they do not play any role at all in reproductive labour division.
This is especially the case with regards to sex, when someone engages in sexual relations that do not fit with the dynamics imposed by patriarchy. This includes people who are sexually attracted to people of the same gender (gay/lesbian people), of multiple genders (bisexual/pansexual people), or no gender (asexual people). In addition, people whose gender is different from the one patriarchy assigns to them can’t be classed as neatly as people who accept the assignment by gender. While they might be personally men or women, they aren’t treated by society in quite the same way so they comprise a distinct social class. Characteristic to this is the detachment of sex and romance from reproducing the next generation.
This is where some of my own thoughts begin to diverge from the anarchist that wrote the above.
If historically there has always been division of gender along lines of divisions of reproductive labour then it holds naturally true that societal forces will seek to resolve a contradiction created when genders do not accurately reflect division of labour.
What this will produce in the longterm is yet to be decided. My thoughts on this are that we are trending towards an entirely new gender system as a result of social forces resolving this contradiction, but that the conditions for this to emerge are different in the imperial core countries compared to the periphery countries because the conditions of revolution against patriarchy are significantly far ahead within these countries compared to the periphery, with the exception of places like socialist Cuba.
I would go so far as to echo marx here. These social forces seem inevitable.

Posted by: Awoo | Mar 16 2024 17:46 utc | 465

To blame “the decline of the West” on “Transgenderism” is completely nonsense. There are other reasons for that.

Posted by: WMG | Mar 16 2024 18:40 utc | 466

“The Inability To Distinguish Facts From Wishes”
Isn’t this the human condition? In all times and places? “That which has been is that which shall be, and there is nothing new under the sun”, the wise “Solomon” said. It certainly applies to ladyboys and sheild maidens.

Posted by: lester | Mar 16 2024 19:05 utc | 467

“Todd expanded on the inability of distinguishing facts from fiction,”
This goes way beyond transgenderism.
Brett Weinstein and Chris Martensen talk about it in a darkhorse podcast maybe in January. Failure of rational cognition – something like that – they have coined a name for it.
It seems somehow related to TDS. Or maybe the same poor souls are susceptible to both. I see it in SOS of Maine trying to ban Trump from the ballot – just making stuff up. She is neurologically unfit for that office. Likewise in Colorado. These sick ones are just making stuff up and then trying to enforce it on others.
Add into that a massive dose of projection on so many fronts…
The confluence with the Woke agenda turns it into the fabrication of withces and then the witch hunt.

Posted by: oracle | Mar 16 2024 19:56 utc | 468

Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 16 2024 15:34 utc | 456
Go ask the SNP, they’re happy to help to persecute any resisting woman as a bigot and worse. Ask Coors, Starbucks, and others platforming aggressively sexualized transpeople cosplaying as women, maybe they’ll hire you.
You are not a woman, anymore than an Ashkenazi Jew is a native of the Levant. Go build your own identity and stop helping your white male masters destroy other people’s identities.

Posted by: Em | Mar 16 2024 20:24 utc | 469

What male to ‘female’ trans persons rarely mention is that hormone replacement therapy can and frequently does metamorphose the type of orgasms they experience, namely an orgasm that is not only qualitatively far more like a typical biological woman’s, but similarly also more akin to a preadolescent male’s. I would not put it beyond the realm of possibility that for a not insignificant subgroup of male to ‘female’ trans individuals the pursuit of the feminine or preadolescent male orgasm, i.e. the neotenic orgasm so say, is a significant attraction in its own right, not because they’re mentally female though. After all, how could they be if they’d never experienced a biological female orgasm before starting HRT or even biologically female sexual arousal tout court, rather what they may have experienced is preadolescent male ‘dry orgasms’ which they may associate with adolescent female and adult female orgasmicity, and which might prove a quite powerfully motivating fetish within a fetish as it were.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36646176/

Posted by: Ludo | Mar 16 2024 20:34 utc | 470

Best anti-woke living philosopher
https://youtu.be/AuQ4Hi7YdgU?si=s-MWN2eo_TbtCwGA

Posted by: Minaa | Mar 16 2024 20:42 utc | 471

The life expectancy of trans people in my country is 35 years old.
Posted by: Thorn | Mar 14 2024 13:55 utc | 44
Absolute rubbish.
What country is that?
Provide two reputable sources of such bullshit.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Mar 16 2024 21:14 utc | 472

If the US plutocrats are pushing the French forward because they can no longer rely on their proven democrats, then the question naturally arises as to what France, Macron and Rothschild will get in return from the USA. We probably won’t know if Russia continues to nip France’s ambitions in the bud.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 16 2024 22:06 utc | 473

Hi,
My previous attempted post(s) didn’t work for some reason, sorry if it shows up multiple times.
Long time lurker, didn’t think my first post would be on this topic, but here we are.
I agree with “Tak-Tik | Mar 15 2024 14:17 utc” on his first point:

Already 400 comments, more than for Gaza, soon more than for Ukraine?
Hard to think of a better illustration of the effectiveness of the spectacle society’s diversionary maneuvers.

But with all scams, it’s important to understand how it’s done to inoculate ourselves, friends, family and hopefully society from being had for a fool.
Some references that maybe of interest (sorry if mentioned else where):
Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality by Helen Joyce, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56897445-trans
The End of Gender: Debunking the Myths about Sex and Identity in Our Society by Debra Soh, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50892227-the-end-of-gender

Posted by: Friend_of_MLK | Mar 16 2024 22:20 utc | 474

” The Bugi people of Indonesia, rather than the two genders of our society, have five genders in total. Calabai and calalai people have biological characteristics that have been gendered as male and female respectively, but they adopt the reproductive labor tasks typically assigned to makkunrai (roughly equivalent to women) and oroané (roughly equivalent to men) which provides them with a different social class.”
No. Men cannot give birth or breastfeed, women cannot impregnate anyone. You are talking pure bullshit, in an attempt to seem non-imperialist, as if human cultures outside of the west didn’t know about human reproduction until the priests showed up.
As a woman from the global majority once said about this particular gobbly-gook, which is common among the tranz who like to present as “leftist”…
“”Before the White Man arrived in Africa, women, men and non-binaries got pregnant by wrapping a snake around the neck of a gazelle in the light of the waning moon while drinking the blood of a goat from the skull of a recently deceased pregnant person.
This information was suppressed by cis white colonial patriarchy. One of the many reasons why we must decolonise biology.”
And another added:
“Tai Yan Shan I’m not white. Can confirm that my people just bang random body parts together until a stork delivers a baby to our doorstep. It’s all very chaotic and frankly a bit unpredictable.”

Posted by: wagelaborer | Mar 16 2024 22:42 utc | 475

@Friend_of_MLK

But with all scams, it’s important to understand how it’s done to inoculate ourselves, friends, family and hopefully society from being had for a fool.

A conservative moral panic.
If you people are trying to convince anyone that you are “the left” perhaps your book recommendations shouldn’t be…
Helen Joyce: Employed by The Economist. As Lenin described it, “a journal which speaks for British millionaires”
Debra Soh: Writer for Wall Street Journal and the Los Angeles Times
Truly these are giants of leftist intellectualism. Absolutely titanic examples of the anti-establishment left.
The people claiming to be anti-establishment sure want us to read a lot of content from people participating in the inner-circles of the empire.

Posted by: Awoo | Mar 16 2024 22:47 utc | 476

@Em
Incredible how “Parachuting into another country with tons of financial backing and support” suddenly becomes, “maybe if you apply at Starbucks they’d allow you to be a barista” the moment you’re asked for actual specifics. What a joke.
Surely you can do better than that. I kinda enjoyed the little fantasy world you invented, couldn’t you have kept it up for longer than that? What about if you say Western governments give all trans people free power armor and unicorns next? Just spitballing.
Telling me to apply to Starbucks just collapses the whole thing back to reality, where I’m just another prole trying to survive.

Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 16 2024 23:54 utc | 477

Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 16 2024 23:54 utc | 477
Whatever. You don’t get to cry victim when you’re victimizing and usurping other people’s identities at the behest of your white male masters. If you want normal people to feel sympathy and empathy for you, try not stealing their Identity and then calling everyone who complains a bigot.

Posted by: Em | Mar 17 2024 0:24 utc | 478

Posted by: Em | Mar 17 2024 0:24 utc | 478
Stealing identities? Identities are property to steal now? You are espousing the ideology of the sovereign individual crowd.
The self-identifying “left” on this site that aligns itself as anti-trans barely survives a handful of comments of enquiry from actual marxists before you’re quickly exposed as conservatives wearing masks.
“As a leftist” in trans issues has become as commonly astroturfed by cryptofascists as “As a black man” on race issues.

Posted by: Awoo | Mar 17 2024 0:37 utc | 479

@Em
Well, since you couldn’t give me any details on how to tap into the vast money and support the West supplies trans people with, maybe you can help me with another problem. You see, I seem to have lost track of which white male masters, specifically, I report to. I keep walking up to random guys on the street and trying to tell them about how my secret trans plot to steal identities is going, but they keep reacting, let’s say, poorly. Maybe there’s some sort of secret handshake or codeword I’m missing. Like, the way it’s been going, I’d almost think that they don’t like me being trans, which is weird, because like you said, the only reason I’m doing this whole thing is at their behest.

Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 17 2024 1:12 utc | 480

The problem, Awoo is not that you have no right to think as you please, but that you have no right to impose your identity on anyone else by obliging them to call you by your preferred pronouns, especially when these pronouns are neologisms with which most of the population is as unfamiliar as they are with an actual foreign language. If Awoo is a person capable of inseminating a woman then it stands to simplist reason that Awoo is male, albeit perhaps one who would prefer to neuter themselves and be a full-time transvestite-cum-castrato, but it is not Awoo’s business to impose his fantasy life, by way of pronominal preferences, on anyone else. Ditto, mutatis mutandis, if Awoo is a human being capable of being impregnated, i.e. a woman. Awoo should be extended the courtesy of being called ma’am or miss if people freely accede, but simply as a matter of courtesy, not force of law. If Awoo were so well transformed by medical science as to be literally indistinguishable from the biological reality of their target sex then most people would simply not hesitate to call them by their desired female pronouns as a matter of a priori prima facie assumptions. It’s when announcements are made insisting on preferred pronouns because the subject in question clearly does not pass or otherwise appears sexually ambiguous that people become uneasy because they themselves have a profoundly ingrained sense of sex and gender identity and calling a self declared trans woman a woman tout court goes against their equally deeply held and felt sense of gender and sex identity. A compromise position is that presented by someone like the philosopher Judith Butler, who prefers the pronouns they, them. Finally I would add philosophically, no one can presume to know with any firm and limpid degree of certainty what their ‘true internal gender’ is because, as has been philosophically quite obvious since the time of Socrates through to Descartes, the psyche is more often than not illusion piled atop illusion. However, the physically-sexed self and its ability to procreate either by insemination or impregnation is significantly less of an illusion, considering there currently are nearly 8 billion people on the planet and counting.

Posted by: Ludo | Mar 17 2024 2:02 utc | 481

Awoo | Mar 16 2024 22:47 utc | 476

The people claiming to be anti-establishment sure want us to read a lot of content from people participating in the inner-circles of the empire.

Indeed, those books are not written with a Marxists analysis. The intellectual midget, Ben Shapiro, endorsed Dr Soh’s book… a Judas kiss from the empire’s servant.
However, I was just suggesting some references that had some decent arguments against the fantasies of a few. I don’t think the MoA crowed would become weak kneed corporate ass kissers and help with empire from a few references.
Do you have any recommended books or peer reviewed articles on the matter?

Posted by: Friend_of_MLK | Mar 17 2024 2:36 utc | 482

The other day I was standing in line waiting to be seated at a restaurant, and a particularly rude white male (of course) server intentionally misgendered me not once, but twice.
To my pleasant surprise, several folks waiting in line behind me immediately called him out for his rudeness, including an older woman who called for the manager, and joined me in walking out.
The times they are a’changing.

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 17 2024 2:38 utc | 483

Posted by: Ludo | Mar 17 2024 2:02 utc | 481
As I have already explained in 461, the entire system is imposed to begin with. If trans people have no right to state their gender then nobody does. It is a social system created by the division of reproductive labour.

If Awoo is a person capable of inseminating a woman then it stands to simplist reason that Awoo is male, albeit perhaps one who would prefer to neuter themselves and be a full-time transvestite-cum-castrato, but it is not Awoo’s business to impose his fantasy life, by way of pronominal preferences, on anyone else.

Scientifically false. Any biologist will tell you this is exclusionary. You are intentionally dismissing biologist and vulgarising complex biological science in order to force fit this issue into your prejudices. You are not a marxist, you are unscientific.
No amount of blowing smoke up your arse by demonstrating your abilities to use a thesaurus or writing in a bullshit pseudo-intellectual way deliberately intended to not be read by any actually normal human beings changes this. You sound like you’re doing your best impression of V for Vendetta, it’s unbearably cringe. Have you stepped into a single factory, service job, warehouse or construction role and ever tried to organise people talking in this way? How has that worked out for you? Speak fucking normal.

Posted by: Awoo | Mar 17 2024 3:01 utc | 484

Trisha – Yes indeed the times are changing. Propaganda and consent manufacture on this issue is extreme and it’s having the desired effect on the susceptible majority.
So, just like support for Israel, hatred for Russia and China and other enemies du jour, and other issues of interest for the 0.1%, this issue is also moving in the desired social direction.

Posted by: Caliman | Mar 17 2024 3:03 utc | 485

Posted by: Caliman | Mar 17 2024 3:03 utc | 485
Ah yes trans people wanting to exist and be equals in society is comparable to an apartheid performing genocide. This is a totally normal and not an utterly insane comparison to make.

Posted by: Awoo | Mar 17 2024 3:30 utc | 486

Awoo- come on now … set aside the silly sarcasm. Is there any argument whatsoever that trans evangelism is supported by the powers that be? You may not remember, but the original gay rights movement of the 70s and 80s was NOT sponsored by the major corporations and the Mil Sec establishment. The trans movement indeed is … now why is that?

Posted by: Caliman | Mar 17 2024 4:19 utc | 487

a comment made me look, I was curious how bent out of shape scorpion was.

I just chatted with my wife, whose friend brought the tranny – twice. I had forgotten this but her friend is a gay shrink from Mexico City, and the tranny is part friend part client
Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 16 2024 16:47 utc | 462

Man you really need to get your wife under tighter control pronto, or get rid of her!

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 17 2024 5:19 utc | 488

@Caliman

Is there any argument whatsoever that trans evangelism is [not] supported by the powers that be?

Is that a joke? I take it you haven’t been following the hundreds of anti-trans bills this year and last, or the corporate media circuit dedicated to running negative stories about us 24/7. I guess all the material harm they cause is is irrelevant because Raytheon changes their profile picture for Pride. The vast majority of queer and trans people see through such hollow gestures, especially coming from governments that are on the verge of trying to exterminate us.
As I posed to Em: please tell me where I can learn more about this supposed “sponsorship.” To be clear, when you say sponsorship, you’re implying that there’s actual material support, correct? Or are you just basing this claim of “sponsorship” off of uncritically accepting some corporate PR line?
In Texas right now, if you’re even aware that a trans kid exists, you are legally required to report them to the police, who will take them away from their parents and force them into massively underfunded social services. And, as anyone with half a brain understood, this was never going to be limited to children. Bills restricting gender affirming care to trans adults are also present in the wave of hundreds of anti-trans bills from this year and last, and the rate of such legislation has been accelerating drastically.
I note that you specified “the original gay rights movement,” I wonder, has gay people existing now become a sinister scheme, since they too are “sponsored” by Ratheon’s profile picture in June? I wonder, did any gay people (let alone all gay people!) have any say in that? Are we all at the mercy of whatever corporate ghoul decides they get to speak for us?

Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 17 2024 5:30 utc | 489

Dave Chappelle is one the greatest human beings of all time – don’t miss this!
Dave Chappelle’s ‘Closer’: THE PART NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT Daphne Dorman a Transgendered Woman Comedienne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AWe6Y5WDdA

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Mar 17 2024 5:33 utc | 490

Late to the party.
Sometimes we need to separate out the personal, from the political.
Individual transfolk, on a PERSONAL level we can feel compassion for and ‘live and let live’, and in my long years, many of this rare group of troubled individuals were able to find Peace as adults.
I didnt have a problem, and I dont think society had a problem, until it became POLITICAL and laws kept changing
all over the place.
Originally, it was known as fact in law and science, that it is not possible to change sex. But trans-sexual individuals, with full post-op medical transitions, were able to have their documents like drivers licences changed to make their lives easier.
As mental illnesses go, genuine trans-sexuals are fairly harmless, but the explosion of other not so harmless fetishes including criminality has sky-rocketed by pulling up the medical gate-keeping.
So why were laws changed to allow ‘Self-ID’? And legal sex-change for any who just self-declares? Some never take hormones, never undergo any medical transition at all, and a significant number of these men, are sexual predators. Look at the prison statistics.
Check out autogynephilia as a common sexual fetish of biologically intact heterosexual males, who insist on being called lesbian, dominate lesbian dating sites etc.
It is now illegal for lesbians to hold events as lesbian only.
There was no discussion of the dangers and risks to other vulnerable groups in the adoption of these laws, or of even putting in clauses to punish those who seek to abuse the law, by enabling any Tom, Dick or Harry with a conviction record of sexual offences, to “identify” as a woman, and transfer to the womens prison.
And all they can say is “nobody would do that”.. well, they are “doing that”, and you have the insane situation of female rape victims being forced to say in court, statements such as “her” penis.
Then they often say, “its just a few bad apples”, well.. there werent so many before somebody felt it was a really good idea to LEGALLY let the freaks and pervs have a “progressive” loophole to enable and promote their criminal behaviour.
And the humiliating mockery of womens sports, but thats OK, there has never been a moratorium on sexist humiliation of women and girls.
It doesnt matter if its 1 or 20 or thousands. Only takes one obvious physical male on the podium to publicly display the insult to all women and girls.
And even with toilets, changerooms etc… the insult continues. What about women who come from cultures of strict sex segregation, I guess those women can be insulted as “right-wing” or as “bigots” too ..
Being “inclusive” of males with delusions (real or adopted for nefarious purposes) is just “exclusive” of large numbers of women. Women with small children who dont want them exposed to full adult male penises in public spaces.
Older women going for a swim at the public pool, shouldnt have to be confronted with it either.
So, in short, no drama with the old-school ADULT trans-sexuals who needed medical/psychiatric help in transitioning knowing all the health risks, and were able to get their documents sorted without feeling the need to sue 27 people for getting their pronouns wrong. And they did this for decades. Given my age, those that I know are old-school too, feel the contemporary younger generation of “fake trans”, are cultists and do more harm than good.
And many lesbian and gay activists, groups and organisations, have “divorced” the TQ+. There was a meme running around a few years ago, that connecting LGB to TQ+ was a “forced marriage”. The International LGB Alliance is back to its grass-roots finding itself lobbying for amendments to legislation that in reality, in fact, has forced gays and lesbians in particular, back into the closet.
As for children, plenty of parents are anti-gay, and worried about their gender non-conforming kids, they would rather have a trans-kid, than a gay kid. And again, kids who cant legally buy booze, or check out a library book from the ‘adult’ section, or legally consent to sex, drive or vote, are legally allowed to consent to physical and mental life-altering drug treatment? And parents who do not buy into it, can legally lose their children? Insane… there isnt a shred of evidence that early transition does any good, but a large and ever-growing body of scientific medical facts that it causes enormous irreversible harm.

Posted by: Rain | Mar 17 2024 7:53 utc | 491

@ 492 rain..
good post rain, although it is difficult to stay non emotional about this.. life is complicated..

Posted by: james | Mar 17 2024 8:07 utc | 492

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 17 2024 2:38 utc | 483
I appreciate the self victimization while at the same time spewing bigoted vitriol.
The whole thread is full of well reasond arguments as to why minors should not be exposed to and excouraged to take decisions that will impact their remaining life.
Yet, what you focus on is personal negative experiences.
Which is the peak of liberal idiocy: on one hand, everyone is an individual, on the other every cis white male is to be hated.
You can drug your body to hell and back and you can cut off as many parts of it as you wish to.
I do not care.
But for the love of god why is it so ever important to you to be ‘normal’ when at the same time your identy is rooted in being different?

Posted by: kspr | Mar 17 2024 8:15 utc | 493

Transphobes get the wall
https://hexbear.net/post/2072240

Posted by: [comrade/them] | Mar 17 2024 9:22 utc | 494

Trisha | Mar 17 2024 2:38 utc | 483
The times they are a’changing
Oh yeah,…
The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast

Communa Lacrimosa
As the present now
Will later be past

Posted by: john | Mar 17 2024 11:02 utc | 495

You could just leave trans people the fuck alone but nah, that’s too hard for you dick obsessed retards

Posted by: Odo | Mar 17 2024 11:57 utc | 496

“Oh, and Matt Taibbi hasn’t been even vaguely left for decades. He’s always been a misogynist bigot, and now he’s crusading to erase a powerless population who just want to exist as themselves.”
Posted by: Slendy Warlos | Mar 16 2024 5:40 utc | 432
Take your ignorant nonsense to CNN and Reddit where they will welcome you with open sexually dysphoric arms…

Posted by: canuck | Mar 17 2024 12:23 utc | 497

“Posted by: Rain | Mar 17 2024 7:53 utc | 491”
Agreed with everything you said, especially the part about the “forced marriage” when some ‘trans’ person hangs his/her flag on the LGB people’s flag and hijacks it by force. As I said in a post very early in this thread, I have absolutely no problem with any LGB. And as I’ll make clear now, I don’t have any problem with anyone who actually has defective chromosomes finding a way to somehow get through life despite that problem. But those aren’t the people we’re talking about. We’re talking about the lying bastards who made up this whole load of crap to begin with, in order to make a profit off the gullible morons who believe it, and we’re talking about the psychotic fad that has resulted in previously-sane kids now declaring they were “born in the wrong body” and we’re talking about the force and threats of force used to shove it down everyone else’s throats in all the ways you mentioned and all the new ways they haven’t come up with yet.

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 17 2024 12:42 utc | 498

“several folks waiting in line behind me immediately called him out for his rudeness, including an older woman who called for the manager, and joined me in walking out.
The times they are a’changing.
Posted by: Trisha | Mar 17 2024 2:38 utc | 483”
Thank you for providing a glaring example of using force and threats (and trying to get him fired) to shove this bullshit down other people’s throats, then gloating over your success. You and the other people in line that backed your rudeness are the reason that the laws in Texas and other places are needed. If he got fired he has every right to sue you.

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 17 2024 12:57 utc | 499

@Rain
The “LGB Alliance” nonsense is the most astroturfed nonsense I’ve ever seen. The vast majority of people involved in that group are heterosexual and the organization is more than happy to work with the anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-feminist groups, up to and including the Heritage Foundation. The moment that organization and others like it succeed in exterminating trans people, LGB people will be next (including the handful of pick-me’s they dug up), and then they’ll move on to taking away abortion rights. Of course, UK state-affiliated media like the BBC is more than happy to push this false narrative.
As I said, so long as there is a bus to be thrown under, no one from a marginalized group is safe, and the only counter to that is solidarity. Heritage Foundation fascists well understand this, and so they’re more than happy to support this “LGB Alliance” as a way to sow division and divide-and-conquer, and it’s not as if the organization is actually doing anything to promote LGB rights anyway. The group is just a bunch of straight tories trying to use the angle as a talking point.

Posted by: Jadzia Dax | Mar 17 2024 13:01 utc | 500