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March 14, 2024
Transgender – The Inability To Distinguish Facts From Wishes

Matt Taibbi opines on the latest piece of transgender nonsense:

The Dumbest Cover Story EverRacket News, Mar 13 2024
New York Magazine's "Freedom of Sex" is the ultimate example of the lunatic nihilism that's consumed America's intellectual class

New York Magazine has a new cover story, by the trans writer Andrea Long Chu: “The moral case for letting trans kids change their bodies.” A jeremiad in support of the idea that children must have absolute political agency, it makes the Unabomber manifesto read like a Shakespeare sonnet. The money passage:

We must be prepared to defend the idea that, in principle, everyone should have access to sex-changing medical care, regardless of age, gender identity, social environment, or psychiatric history.

A lot of the piece is standard-issue woe-is-me fuck-everything cartoon nihilism you’d hear from any laptop-class liberal arts product, arguing for a generalized smashing of the patriarchy, among other things by attacking the biological conspiracy to produce those units of material labor value known as babies. Complete abolition of norms would be an “impossible task,” Chu notes sadly, but that doesn’t preclude their “collective reimagining” by an alliance of intersectional victims working toward a Marxian paradise free of “oppressive systems,” which of course include the nuclear family.

The nihilism Taibbi points to is also the major theme the French anthropologist Emmanuel Todd takes on in his book "The Defeat of the West".

From its New York Times review:

This Prophetic Academic Now Foresees the West’s Defeat (archived) – New York Times, Mar 9 2024

American leadership is failing: That is the argument of an eccentric new book that since January has stood near the top of France’s best-seller lists. It is called “La Défaite de l’Occident” (“The Defeat of the West”). Its author, Emmanuel Todd, is a celebrated historian and anthropologist who in 1976, in a book called “The Final Fall,” used infant-mortality statistics to predict that the Soviet Union was headed for collapse.

Mr. Todd is not a moralizer. But he insists that traditional cultures have a lot to fear from the West’s various progressive leanings and may resist allying themselves on foreign policy with those who espouse them. In a similar way, during the Cold War, the Soviet Union’s official atheism was a deal-breaker for many people who might otherwise have been well disposed toward Communism.

Mr. Todd does believe that certain of our values are “deeply negative.” He presents evidence that the West does not value the lives of its young. Infant mortality, the telltale metric that led him to predict the Soviet collapse half a century ago, is higher in Mr. Biden’s America (5.4 per thousand) than in Mr. Putin’s Russia — and three times higher than in the Japan of Prime Minister Fumio Kishida.

While Mr. Todd is, again, not judgmental on sexual matters, he is judgmental on intellectual ones. The inability to distinguish facts from wishes astounds him at every turn of the Ukraine war. The American hope early in the war that China might cooperate in a sanctions regime against Russia, thereby helping the United States refine a weapon that would one day be aimed at China itself, is, for Mr. Todd, a “delirium.”

Back in January Todd expanded on the inability of distinguishing facts from fiction, which is also the basis of trans-genderism, during an interview with Le Figaro. From its English translation:

Q: Over time, haven't you become a bit of a reactionary?

I was brought up by a grandmother who told me that, sexually speaking, all tastes are part of nature, and I'm faithful to my ancestors. So, LGB, welcome. For T, the trans issue is something else. The individuals concerned must of course be protected. But the fixation of the Western middle classes on this ultra-minority issue raises a sociological and historical question. To establish as a social horizon the idea that a man can really become a woman and a woman a man is to assert something that is biologically impossible, it is to deny the reality of the world, it is to assert the false.

Trans ideology is therefore, in my opinion, one of the flags of this nihilism that now defines the West, this drive to destroy not just things and people but reality. But, once again, I am in no way overwhelmed here by indignation or emotion. This ideology exists and I have to integrate it into a historical model. In the age of the metaverse, I can't say whether my attachment to reality makes me a reactionary.

The intentional denial of reality, as it is currently practiced in the West, is not a new phenomenon. It is the basis of neo-conservatism from where it has crept over to the progressive side.

As Ron Susskind wrote in his portrait of the first years of the Bush junior presidency:

Faith, Certainty And The Presidency Of George W. Bush (archived) – Ron Susskind / New York Times, Oct 17 2004

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

Karl Rove, the Bush advisor Susskind had quoted, displayed the same lunatic nihilism that is represented by those who argue that children, teenagers or people generally should can freely chose their gender. It is an attempt of "creating other new realities". It represents a total denial of actual reality and of the common values derived from it. The Bush administration failed in its endeavor to create new realities in Iraq. The current regime in the West will fail likewise with regime change in Russia. So will others who deny realities.

The author of the Todd book review, Christopher Caldwell, adds:

Fighting a war based on values requires good values. At a bare minimum it requires an agreement on the values being spread, and the United States is further from such agreement than it has ever been in its history — further, even, than it was on the eve of the Civil War. At times it seems there are no national principles, only partisan ones, with each side convinced that the other is trying not just to run the government but also to capture the state.

I see a very similar denial of reality, followed by nihilism and a lack of values, at the top of the current European leadership. The loss of the common view of things is splitting societies on both sides of the Atlantic.

However, with regards to transgenderism, some sense of reality is still trying to survive:

National Health Service England stops prescribing puberty blockers, citing 'not enough evidence'USA Today. Mar 13 2024

"We have concluded that there is not enough evidence to support the safety or clinical effectiveness of (puberty suppressing hormones) to make the treatment routinely available at this time," the publication by NHS England stated.

Puberty is a natural process which often includes a temporary confusion about ones identity. Blocking a kids puberty to further some ephemeral confusion some may have during those time is in my view criminal.

I even agree with Rishi Sunack on this:

U.K. prime minister on gender: ‘A man is a man and a woman is a woman’Washington Post, Oct 5 2023

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak asserted his stance on gender identity in a speech Wednesday, stating it was “common sense” that “a man is a man and a woman is a woman” — a remark that sparked criticism from transgender rights activists and elicited fervent applause from attendees of the Conservative Party Conference.

I see myself, just like Matt Taibbi seems to see himself, as a progressive striving for a society based on some form of socialism and justice.

To then find myself on the same side of an issue as some staunch conservatives, and getting attacked for it, is mildly disturbing.

Is it really impossible to be reality based and on the left side of things?

Comments

Posted by: bill wolfe | Mar 14 2024 12:08 utc | 7
Posted by: Ringo | Mar 14 2024 12:09 utc | 9
Both absolutely right. Great posts.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 14 2024 18:29 utc | 201

Posted by: Em | Mar 14 2024 12:12 utc | 10
Another great post. People are on fire over this one! My faith in the comments has been restored!!

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 14 2024 18:32 utc | 202

Many insightful comments here. How is this related to imperialist slaughter, theft and genocide?
Below are some related items, historical context around the class politics of identity and the class politics of what is the state.
“Events are the real dialectics of history.”
Antonio Gramsci

The CIA & the Frankfurt School
Foundations of the Global Theory Industry
Frankfurt School critical theory has been—along with French theory—one of the hottest commodities of the global theory industry. Together, they serve as the common source for so many of the trend-setting forms of theoretical critique that currently dominate the academic market in the capitalist world, from postcolonial and decolonial theory to queer theory, Afro-pessimism and beyond. The Frankfurt School’s political orientation has therefore had a foundational effect on the globalized Western intelligentsia…
What the Frankfurt School had to offer the bread givers of “the shackling society” was nowise insignificant. Mobilizing pseudo-dialectical sophistry, they defended in highfalutin academic language the State Department line that communism is indistinguishable from fascism, even though 27 million Soviets had given their lives to defeat the Nazi war machine in WWII (to mention but one of the most blatant forms of opposition between communism and fascism, although there are of course many others since they are mortal enemies). Moreover, by displacing class struggle in favor of an idealist critical theory severed from practical political engagements, they shifted the very foundations of analysis away from historical materialism toward a generalized theoretical critique of domination, power, and identity thinking.
Adorno and Horkheimer thus ultimately played the role of radical recuperators. Cultivating an appearance of radicality, they recuperated the very activity of critique within a pro-Western, anti-communist ideology. Like other members of the petty-bourgeois intelligentsia in Europe and the United States, which formed the basis of Western Marxism, they publicly expressed their social-chauvinistic disgust with what they described as the savage barbarians in the East, who dared to take up the weapon of Marxist theory à la Lenin and use it to act on the principle that they could rule themselves. From the relative comforts of their capitalist-funded professorial citadel in the West, they defended the superiority of the Euro-American world that promoted them against what they referred to as the levelling project of the bolshevized barbarians in the uncivilized periphery.
Furthermore, their generalized critique of domination is part of a larger embrace of an anti-party and anti-state ideology, which ultimately leaves the Left bereft of the tools of disciplined organization necessary to wage successful struggles against the well-funded political, military and cultural apparatus of the capitalist ruling class. This is perfectly in line with their overall politics of defeat, which Adorno explicitly embraced through his anti-Marxist defense of inaction as the highest form of praxis. The leaders of the Tui Academy in Frankfurt, amply funded and supported by the capitalist ruling class and imperialist states, including the U.S. national security state, were thus ultimately global spokesmen for an anti-communist politics of capitalist accommodation. Wringing their hands at the infelicities of consumer society, which they sometimes described in remarkable detail, they nonetheless refused to do anything practical about them because of the bedrock assumption that the socialist cure to such misfortunes is much worse than the disease itself. Gabriel Rockhill 2022
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ZD: How do you understand the role and function of identity politics and multiculturalism, which are currently prevalent in the Western left?
GR: Identity politics, like the multiculturalism affiliated with it, is a contemporary manifestation of the culturalism and essentialism that have long characterized bourgeois ideology. The latter seeks to naturalize social and economic relations that are the consequence of the material history of capitalism. Rather than recognizing, for instance, that racial, national, ethnic, gender, sexual, and other forms of identity are historical constructs that have varied over time and result from specific material forces, these are naturalized and treated as an unquestionable foundation for political constituencies. Such essentialism serves to obscure the material forces operative behind these identities, as well as the class struggles that have been waged around them. This has been particularly useful to the ruling class and its managers as they have been forced to react to the demands of decolonization and of materialist antiracist and antipatriarchal struggles. How better to respond than with an essentializing identity politics that proposes false solutions to very real problems because it never addresses the material basis of colonization, racism, and gender oppression?
The self-proclaimed anti-essentialist versions of identity politics operative in the work of theorists like Judith Butler do not fundamentally break with this ideology. In purporting to deconstruct some of these categories by revealing them as discursive constructs that individuals or groups of individuals can question, play with, and re-perform, theorists working within the idealist parameters of deconstruction never provide a materialist and dialectical analysis of the history of the capitalist social relations that have produced these categories as major sites of collective class struggle. They also do not engage in the deep history of actually existing socialism’s fight collectively to transform these relations. Instead, they tend to draw on deconstruction and a practically dehistoricized version of Foucauldian genealogy to think about gender and sexual relations discursively, and they are at best oriented toward a liberal pluralism in which class struggle is replaced by interest-group advocacy.
By contrast, the Marxist tradition—as Domenico Losurdo has demonstrated in his magisterial work Class Struggle—has a profound and rich history of understanding class struggle in the plural. This means that it includes battles over the relationship between genders, nations, races, and economic classes (and, we could add, sexualities). Since these categories have taken on very specific hierarchical forms under capitalism, the best elements of the Marxist heritage have sought to both understand their historical provenance and radically transform them. This can be seen in the longstanding struggle against the domestic slavery imposed upon women, as well as the battle to overcome the imperialist subordination of nations and their racialized peoples. This history has played itself out in fits and starts, of course, and there is still much work to be done, in part because certain strains of Marxism—such as that of the Second International—have been tainted by elements of bourgeois ideology. Nevertheless, as scholars like Losurdo and others have demonstrated with remarkable erudition, the communists have been at the vanguard of these class struggles to overcome patriarchal domination, imperialist subordination, and racism by going to the very roots of these problems: capitalist social relations.
Identity politics, as it has developed in the leading imperialist countries and particularly the United States, has sought to bury this history in order to present itself as a radically new form of consciousness, as if communists had not so much as thought of the woman question or the national/racial question. Theorists of identity politics thus tend to assert arrogantly and benightedly that they are the first ones to address these issues, thereby overcoming an imagined economic determinism on the part of the so-called vulgar reductionist Marxists. Instead of recognizing these issues as sites of class struggle, moreover, they tend to use identity politics as a wedge against class politics. If they do make any gesture toward integrating class into their analysis, they generally reduce it to a question of personal identity, rather than a structural property relation. The solutions that they put forth therefore tend to be epiphenomenal, meaning that they focus on issues of representation and symbolism, rather than, for instance, overcoming the labor relations of domestic slavery and racialized superexploitation through a socialist transformation of the socioeconomic order. They are thereby incapable of leading to significant and sustainable change because they do not go to the root of the problem. As Adolph Reed Jr. has often argued with his signature biting wit, identitarians are perfectly happy to maintain extant class relations—including imperialist relations between nations, I would add—on the condition that there is the requisite ratio of representation of oppressed groups within the ruling class and the professional managerial stratum.
In addition to helping displace class politics and analysis within the Western left, identity politics has made a major contribution to dividing the left itself into siloed debates around specific identity issues. Instead of class unity against a common enemy, it divides—and conquers—working and oppressed people by encouraging them to identify first and foremost as members of specific genders, sexualities, races, nations, ethnicities, religious groups, and so forth. In this regard, the ideology of identity politics actually is, at a much deeper level, a class politics. It is the politics of a bourgeoisie aimed at dividing the working and oppressed peoples of the world in order to more easily rule over them. It should come as no surprise, then, that it is the governing politics of the professional managerial class stratum in the imperial core. It dominates its institutions and informational outlets, and it is one of the primary mechanisms for career advancement within what Reed insightfully calls “the diversity industry.” It encourages everyone involved to identify with their specific group and advance their own individual interests by posing as its privileged representative. We should note, moreover, that wokeism also has the effect of driving some people into the arms of the right. If the dominant political culture encourages a clan mentality combined with competitive individualism, then it is unsurprising that white people and men have also—as a partial response to their perceived disenfranchisement by the diversity industry—advanced their particular agendas as “victims” of the system. Identity politics devoid of a class analysis is thus absolutely amenable to right-wing and even fascist permutations.
Finally, I would be remiss not to mention that identity politics, which has its recent ideological roots in the New Left and the social chauvinism V. I. Lenin had earlier diagnosed in the European left, is one of the principal ideological tools of imperialism. The divide-and-conquer strategy has been used to splinter targeted countries by fostering religious, ethnic, national, racial, or gender conflicts. Identity politics has also served as a direct justification for imperialist intervention and meddling, as well as destabilization campaigns, if it be the purported causes of liberating women in Afghanistan, supporting Black rappers “discriminated” against in Cuba, backing purportedly “ecosocialist” Indigenous candidates in Latin America, “protecting” ethnic minorities in China, or other such well-known propaganda operations in which the U.S. empire presents itself as the benevolent benefactor of oppressed identities. Here we can clearly see the complete disconnect between the purely symbolic politics of identity and the material reality of class struggles insofar as the former can—and does—provide thin cover for imperialism. At this level as well, then, identity politics is ultimately a class politics: a politics of the imperialist ruling class.
“Imperialist Propaganda and the Ideology of the Western Left Intelligentsia”
Interview with Gabriel,Rockhill 2023

Posted by: suzan | Mar 14 2024 18:33 utc | 203

Posted by: suzan | Mar 14 2024 18:33 utc | 203
Thanks for the interview. I found it on MRonline and will read again later.
To anyone else still reading, I do think there’s some merit to what proflutz linked on the first page as well as the comments about it on the second page. There are a ton of DNA and chromosomal mutations or ‘errors’ possible in human reproductive biology and by extension a lot of different permutations on the so-called gender fluidity spectrum. I’m not a biologist or geneticist so I haven’t read much about it in the past. Still, it’s worth trying to understand.
Having said that, my main gripe with all of this is the amount of bandwidth devoted to it by TPTB in the media, government and Capitalist class. The hysteria is intentional and people on both “left” and “right” are allowing themselves to be distracted (per suzan’s post) – which in the case of the so-called right, is really the preferred state of affairs. It’s the would-be left that needs to wake the fuck up and learn to prioritize – or choose better which hill to die on.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 14 2024 18:40 utc | 204

@ Ringo #15
Oppression and struggle have therefore been individualized and internalized as a matter of “subjective identity.”
Exactly, the very injunction exhorted by John Lennon in ‘Revolution’ (1968) when he told us to ‘free our minds’ instead of tearing the world down: the entire counter-culture movement was not left but libertarian in spirit, that the revolution must take place in consciousness not being. Everything that the boomers ran with in the 60s was opposed to the reality Marx was urging us to examine. It inaugurated a narcissist phase of capitalism which gives us personalized this and self-changing that. We have, as a consequence, been misdirected away from a critique of our social formation toward an interior critique that blames the self for our collective historical situation.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 14 2024 18:41 utc | 205

@Honzo | Mar 14 2024 16:38 utc | 130
Excellent points. I agree. Thank you.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2024 18:45 utc | 206

The trans movement in America exists almost entirely due to the massive funding from the billionaire Pritzker family, the same people who foisted Obama on the world and have given us the imbecile governor of Illinois. It’s actually impressive how much harm one family can do to a nation. I will let you look up their origins on your own.

Posted by: ASensibleMan | Mar 14 2024 18:49 utc | 207

Posted by: Udkanten | Mar 14 2024 13:10 utc | 27
Thank you for that link. Wimmer is absolutely right, of course.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 14 2024 18:49 utc | 208

I’m disappointed noone has suggested nuclear weapons as a way out of this irreconcilable debate. Where is shadowbanned, anyway?

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 14 2024 18:49 utc | 209

@librul | Mar 14 2024 17:26 utc | 165

Environmental pollution – how much does that account for hormonal confusion?

It is the other way around.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2024 18:52 utc | 210

Prohibiting doctors from prescribing a drug is another doomed form of ‘drug prohibition.’
Where would you draw the line wrt what doctors can and cannot do? That people can and cannot do with their bodies. IIUC most states require parental consent for surgery if not more.
Personally, I don’t like the T idea either, but I’m not going to say my beliefs should rule others. People have 100% freedom over their own bodies, IMO. They don’t have to conform to any social norms simply the (just) laws.
Medical and scientific issues should largely be left to medical and scientific authorities. However, is there a bias to always recommend ‘more treatment’ ? Yes. The public mostly just needs to be aware of this.
No doubt the deep state pushed this about when the mojo behind second wave feminism (feminist imperialism mostly) was waning, because it was one more stick to beat up enemy countries. For honest believers in freedom, it creates the dilemma I’ve described.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Mar 14 2024 18:53 utc | 211

Is it really impossible to be reality based and on the left side of things?

Yes. If by “left” you mean Marxist.
Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Castro, Mengistu… their attempts at Socialism have always led to disaster and mass death.
Some Marxian analysis is useful… seeing warfare as class exploitation, for instance.
We need government to regulate natural monopolies, supply security, and tax resource exploitation and pollution. Expand its scope beyond that it and it’s a disaster.

Posted by: Observer | Mar 14 2024 18:54 utc | 212

Some, a few, males dressing, acting like, and adopting mom’s/grandma’s persona has been reality since these caregivers have been involved with nurturing children. Some, a few, females dressing, acting like, and adopting dad’s/grandpa’s persona has been reality since these caregivers have been involved nurturing children. One would think an anthropologist would have observed that fact throughout most societies. Progressives striving for a society based on some form of socialism and justice must not exclude freedom of expression of individual’s self. Self’s mimicking their loved and cherished nurturers. An exclusion ‘traditional’ cultures have practiced. Why this exclusion was practiced was most likely material, and became a patriarchal policy. Patriarchies advocate for more children to expand the labor force, and are still doing so. Some, a few, patriarchs also dress, act, and adopt their caregivers personas. One might think those caregivers were very abusive, selfish, and acquisitive.

Posted by: Wilikins | Mar 14 2024 18:55 utc | 213

I have not read most of the comments and don’t intend to but thought I would share this ZH posting title which fits the topic a bit
Watch: Saudi AI Robot ‘Gropes’ Female Reporter
Its really true it patted a reporter on the ass and one of the postings with the story said:
“show me on the human where the robot touched you.”
Got Distraction?
Distractions are a feature, not a bug, of empire

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 14 2024 18:58 utc | 214

The sheer amount of ignorant hate in this discussion (fueled by a terrible post, which is unusual in this blog) is the kind of thing that will prevent many readers from sharing the good contents about Ukraine, Palestine, Europe that are the bread and butter of MoA. No sane person will take the risk of being associated with this. I hope that b. reexamines his own views on the matter after some reading and talking with people who know more and have actual skin in this game.
I do agree that interventions during childhood are controvertial, but there is not a single good reason to paint transgender people as “satanic”. All interventions are done when the PARENTS think it’s the right thing to do, and they are usually the only ones who have enough knowledge to judge the case they have in their home. So many people here are worried about “family” but fail to recognize the parents’ sovereignty over their families when they go against traditional values.
There are literally DOZENS of other ways in which parents might affect irreversably the lives of their children. For instance, the Quakers (or is it the Amish?) don’t allow blood transfusions and other procedures in their kids.
This subject CAN be discussed broadly, but it takes a lot of good will to do it properly. To do it in good faith, we need to, at least, treat people as human beings and actually listen to their experiences and reasons. Over 90% of posters here are definitely not interested in that.
When you start a conversation by saying that trans people “deny reality” there’s already a huge barrier to any serious, respectful talk. The “funny” thing here is that most people are not only denying the harsh reality total lack of actual power who they demonize, but they are even denying that in Nature there are hundreds of examples that make very clear how our gender concepts are arbitrary and biological sex is just an evolutionary device that varies wildly from species to species. There are, literally, animals who can change their sex (or don’t have any, as standard).
Our own reproduction and evolution is NOT being held back by a handful of trans people. Capitalism has polluted the whole biosphere with chemicals. Since the 80s, it smashed our material means to form families and have children as much as we want. Most of us just can’t afford. Don’t blame gays and trans for that, it’s dumb to do so.

Posted by: Thorn | Mar 14 2024 19:00 utc | 215

Charles Peterson | Mar 14 2024 18:53 utc | 211
“Medical and scientific issues should largely be left to medical and scientific authorities.”
It sounds like you believe there exist such authorities whose agenda is the well-being of individual patients and human communities, not to mention scientific evidence. But where do you see such benign authorities? All I see are hack functionaries, propagandists, subversives and physical assailants, whose only allegiance is to the government and corporate party line.
The propaganda and child mutilation offensive centered on “trans”-ism stems completely from this corrupt, malevolent, extreme nihilist agenda.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 14 2024 19:05 utc | 216

Many groups require members to accept what is, at face value, an untruth.
Economists have to profess faith in the markets.
Roman Catholic priests have to say they believe the immaculate conception of Mary.
Progressives have to believe a man can become a woman.

Posted by: Passerby | Mar 14 2024 19:05 utc | 217

@Charles Peterson | Mar 14 2024 18:53 utc | 211

Medical and scientific issues should largely be left to medical and scientific authorities

You mean to endorse authoritarian medicine and authoritarian science then. That is exactly where we are today and why everything goes down the drain faster than you can say “covid”.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2024 19:13 utc | 218

Thorn | Mar 14 2024 19:00 utc | 215
“there is not a single good reason to paint transgender people as “satanic”.
Perhaps many or most of the rank and file cultists are deluded victims. The propagandists, officials and medical professionals are indisputably Satanic.
“All interventions are done when the PARENTS think it’s the right thing to do, and they are usually the only ones who have enough knowledge to judge the case they have in their home.”
It is true that there are parents who are child abusers and molestors. But it’s a lie that “all interventions” are at the initiative of the parents. Most parents have no prior knowledge of the pedo-grooming “Go to the Schools” movement, and the general aggressive propaganda campaign aimed at small children. Most parents are outraged when they do learn of this systematic poisoning of their children’s minds.
And I’ve heard of court cases where a minor child, at the behest and with the legal support of this pedo-groomer cult, sues its parents for the “right” to be hormonally and sexually mutilated.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 14 2024 19:15 utc | 219

I can speak to the reaction of the communities of which I am an active part. First off, I’ve found acceptance and encouragement from the local lesbian community, as they understand that as queer folks oppressed by the generally white male patriarchy, we are all allies.
In the cis women groups in which I participate, I also find similar levels of validation. Nearly all either have a relative who is trans, or have other experiences (as teachers or nurses for example) with trans and queer folk.
Regarding “promulgating being bullied”, I’ve done an informal survey among my cis women relatives and friends. Turns out that every one, without exception, has at one time or another been assaulted by a man, and I’m not referring to “passive aggression.” The ones “promulgating bullying” are primarily those men who stand by silently while witnessing these behaviors, destroying our sense of a safe space for ourselves.
BTW, the cis women I know have the same exact concern about safety. For example, they don’t like walking the streets alone at night or in parking lots, etc. It’s worse for trans folks who don’t “pass” as in my case.
It’s just a fact of life – not ideology – that by far and away the most violent folks in my country – the US – are males, of all ages but predominantly young.
I do not support government enforcement of transitioning. Regarding parents and their children, it’s a complicated issue, but ultimately a family decision for which those outside the family should frankly just mind their own business.
Regarding “professional” sports, they’re overpaid prima donnas in my book, purely a spectacle to appease the jaded masses, and I could care less whether trans folks participate or not. That said, I do believe there is a place for trans children to play in school sports, and the world won’t collapse if they are left to do so.
Of course, trans and queer folks ARE shamelessly used by neo-liberal society (both liberals and conservatives) to further political ideologies, generate discontent, and make profits. We’re just another pawn in these games, and frankly, wish for folks to just leave us the fuck alone and mind their own business.
Thank you for doing so.

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 14 2024 19:16 utc | 220

@Passerby | Mar 14 2024 19:05 utc | 217
Indeed. In the current inversion of reality, Stoltenberg claims that peace is achieved only through sending more weapons to Ukraine.
War is Peace.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2024 19:16 utc | 221

Dynasties are for the rich, atomic individualism for everyone else.
Posted by: Honzo | Mar 14 2024 16:38 utc | 130
Yes, and I’ll bet their kids aren’t complaining that “boomers ruined it for the rest of us” as you can now often see these days.
Funny that this age cohort crap wasn’t around so much a few years ago. Chalk up another one for the split’em psyops.

Posted by: pessoa | Mar 14 2024 19:21 utc | 222

Johns Hopkins psychiatrist: Transgender is ‘mental disorder’; sex reassignment ‘biologically impossible’
“And so at Hopkins, we stopped doing gender reassignment surgery because producing a ‘satisfied’ but still troubled patient seemed like an insufficient reason to surgically amputate normal organs,” Dr. McHugh said.
https://ifamnews.com/en/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-is-mental-disorder-sex-reassignment-biologically-impossible
https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/scpsva/Board.nsf/files/B8UR4X6C2467/$file/01-08-19%20Citizen%20Handouts%20(L.%20Lineweaver).pdf
This psyop is dying off
no pun

Posted by: ld | Mar 14 2024 19:23 utc | 223

In esoteric traditions the issue of obsession with gender is termed astral glamour caused by focalization on the centers below the diaphragm. The goal is to eliminate this this glamour by becoming mentally polarized. Doing so immensely helps society.

Posted by: westly | Mar 14 2024 19:26 utc | 224

One should expect that a series of manias will beset an Empire in its late stages. It is all decoy and distraction. The trans mania is another example. Its coercive activity has focused on speech and setting a narrative which no one else, outside of the depraved bubble of Empire, and its colonizing censorship and brute force, can regard as representing anything real.

Posted by: Copeland | Mar 14 2024 19:29 utc | 225

Consider the lexical ramifications of the expression ‘puberty blockers’…
* A chemically engineered ‘product’, compete with patent™, licensing arrangements and marketing department.
* A product whose ‘use-value’ is to stop the biological maturation of a human being.
* A product whose ‘use-value’ is to arrest the development of adulthood in children.
* A product whose ‘use-value’ is to subvert the sexual reproductive capacity of a species.
* A product whose ultimate destiny is to be exchanged for profit, suggesting a market needs to be created.
Technology is always a novel iteration of an archaic end: control and domination. There is, then, so to speak, nothing new about the motive. The consequences will be the equivalent of all the toxic waste (nuclear, fossil fuel, plastics, chemical, etc) produced by the rest of modernity and post-modernity. Only this time we will be surrounded by walking toxic by-products, stunted half-adults, a generation of failed experiments, living in the shadows, self-loathing pariahs. By design. For profit.
Late capitalism is really losing its shit.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 14 2024 19:30 utc | 226

And I’ve heard of court cases where a minor child, at the behest and with the legal support of this pedo-groomer cult, sues its parents for the “right” to be hormonally and sexually mutilated.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 14 2024 19:15 utc | 219
Here’s another reason for the media to obsess over gender culture war—get people to focus on a non-existent “pedo-groomer” cult to obscure the fact that our ruling class is an *actual* pedo-groomer cult. Was Epstein that long ago? No one remembers Franklin Credit? The leaders of both parties, presidents, politicians, titans of industry and entertainment — the people who rule society — all implicated. But hey don’t worry about that, isn’t there a 20 something year old Starbucks worker with blue hair you can get mad at instead?

Posted by: Gengar | Mar 14 2024 19:32 utc | 227

Posted by: Thorn | Mar 14 2024 19:00 utc | 215
The sheer amount of ignorant hate in this discussion (fueled by a terrible post, which is unusual in this blog) is the kind of thing that will prevent many readers from sharing the good contents about Ukraine, Palestine, Europe that are the bread and butter of MoA. No sane person will take the risk of being associated with this. I hope that b. reexamines his own views on the matter after some reading and talking with people who know more and have actual skin in this game.
I do agree that interventions during childhood are controversial, but there is not a single good reason to paint transgender people as “satanic”.

I am the poster who used the word ‘satanic’ which you have taken out of context and mischaracterized. Here is what I wrote:

This whole push to have our precious young children wrestle with their own gender identity, toxic drugs and life-altering surgeries at tender young ages is an attack on both human nature and sanity, and thus truly satanic. It must be firmly resisted. Well-intentioned denials such as yours contribute to this wrong being perpetrated against our young.
To be clear: it is not transgenderism or transgenders per se that are satanic but a top-down drive to inflict this on young people who otherwise would never countenance such life-wrecking distress and harm. Further, that somehow it is a ‘new normal’ that the State can dictate how we should think and feel, and that such things are a right which society is somehow obligated to provide free of charge, even without parental consent, just because Authority says so.

Note the emboldened part which directly contradicts your petulant mischaracterization.
I searched through the rest of the thread for other instances of satanic and none say what you state above. With respect, if you want to argue such things respectfully, and are appealing to authority to censor my post, you should be more respectful, not to mention accurate, yourself.
Now, with that out of the way: do you still object to my use of the term ‘satanic’ in the way I did and if so why? Please do not use your Strawman mischaracterization again.
Second, regarding your:

All interventions are done when the PARENTS think it’s the right thing to do, and they are usually the only ones who have enough knowledge to judge the case they have in their home.

This is a clearly false statement which you should immediately retract. There are dozens of stories about how schools counsel children to see doctors they provide and put them on chemical castration regimes without informing the parents. Some Courts forcibly separate children from an objecting parent. Methinks thou art protesting too much and indeed wilfully failing to appreciate the many valid reasons for concern.
Though again for me the issue isn’t about transgenderism per se but over-reach by socialist-style Authority enabled by Left Wing delusions buttressed by misleading speech such as you just demonstrated in your deliberate mischaracterization and clear falsehood.

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 14 2024 19:32 utc | 228

@Thorn | Mar 14 2024 19:00 utc | 215,
Could you please instruct this oik, since when expressing serious concerns about the way infants as young as 36 months to teenagers up to 19 years of age are being treated for a medical/ psychological condition that hardly existed in 1990 be considered in any way, or form, hate?
Do elucidate, since, in your rant you touched upon two important areas, namely Capitalism and the actual chemical despoilment of our environment, some of which, be they micro-plastic or forever chemicals, may be interfering in normal human development as applied to pre-teens and teens.
As for Capitalism, could you please touch upon the exponential rise of gender clinics across the USA, starting with less than a handful prior to 2005, and now in excess of 40 following changes to the Affordable Care Act in late 2016, i.e., insurance was forced to cover gender medication, be it drugs or surgery – no such expansion has occurred in most European nations and, many of these nations are now twisting the dial down when it comes to treatment of kids and teens – which, are opposed by the gender evangelists, i.e., something about Trans Genocide – a rather obscene claim to make when considering the health of kids and teenagers.
Gender care is rather big bucks in the USA, which has a rather perverse history of pushing the medicalisation of any, and all conditions, that are seen as highly profitable regardless of long-term effects associated with experimental medicines and unproven, radical surgeries, surgeries that can kill!

Posted by: Chris Rogers | Mar 14 2024 19:34 utc | 229

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 14 2024 17:36 utc | 172
Thanks
I don’t think you are mean at all.
I think you are right.
Sick to death of these pervs grooming kids.
Banned from any job around children.
Back to the old ways adults can do what they want in the bedroom.
Back to the closet!
The only health care they deserve is a psychiatrist.

Posted by: ld | Mar 14 2024 19:37 utc | 230

I couldn’t agree more with this article.
Transgenderism is a form of nihilism that is glorified and promoted in society, to children even, that leads to permanent infertility and which is at the same time a subjugation of a population that is dictated on how it should perceive reality. It’s an epitome of decadence that goes along with a decaying empire.

Posted by: xor | Mar 14 2024 19:41 utc | 231

Posted by: Chris Rogers | Mar 14 2024 19:34 utc | 229
Yes, you are right when you say “being treated for a medical/ psychological condition that hardly existed in 1990”. Don Draper would be impressed by the scale of the marketing vision.
“Ever had the feeling that bleeding every month might in fact be a medical problem? Experiencing cramps, feeling down and low on energy? Tylenol simply not cutting it any longer? Then we have the product for you! You need no longer fear that time of the month again! All new Menstr-away™ will leave you feeling fresh, infantilised and stranded in a hellish no-man’s land of dystopian horror—or your money back!”
If there ain’t a market, make one. Monetizing neurosis—genius!

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 14 2024 19:43 utc | 232

Gengar | Mar 14 2024 19:32 utc | 227
“Here’s another reason for the media to obsess over gender culture war—get people to focus on a non-existent “pedo-groomer” cult to obscure the fact that our ruling class is an *actual* pedo-groomer cult. Was Epstein that long ago? No one remembers Franklin Credit? The leaders of both parties, presidents, politicians, titans of industry and entertainment — the people who rule society — all implicated.”
Of course they all are. One purpose of the pedo-groomer cadre is to recruit stock for elite-catering pedo-rings. Where did I say any different?
So why are you running interference on behalf of this particular crime against humanity?

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 14 2024 19:43 utc | 233

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 14 2024 19:16 utc | 220
That said, I do believe there is a place for trans children to play in school sports, and the world won’t collapse if they are left to do so.
Of course, trans and queer folks ARE shamelessly used by neo-liberal society (both liberals and conservatives) to further political ideologies, generate discontent, and make profits. We’re just another pawn in these games, and frankly, wish for folks to just leave us the fuck alone and mind their own business.
Thank you for doing so.

1. The issue isn’t letting trans children play in school sports. The issue is allowing men to compete in womens sports, especially after puberty. For the women, it is both unfair and physically dangerous and so should immediately be banned. Similarly, trans men should stay out of girls bathrooms. You want to be trans? Fine. But stay in your sex-appropriate bathroom, and don’t expect everyone to like or understand what you are doing.
2. As to ‘minding our own business’: you guys stay out of the girls bathrooms and sports etc. and that might happen. Further, a man can call himself a girl but cannot oblige me to perceive him as such – not his/your call to anyone else how to think and speak. And of course if you really want to be left alone, then stop advocating sex change therapies and operations on minors without parental consent.
Obviously, much of all this is being pushed by political operations bent on wrecking the culture, but you enabling them doesn’t merit a free pass. We’ll mind our business if you stop minding ours; fair is fair.
Related article popped up today on Unz. A good one:
https://www.unz.com/article/deconstructing-next-gen-synagogue-of-satan/

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 14 2024 19:50 utc | 234

Everyone is discussing this as if it is far away and theoretical.
So far today I’ve interacted with two trans persons. I have no idea what their stories are, only know what they project in public.
Watching the school kids walk past from 50 meters it is pretty plain to spot the ones with culture dysphoria and ongoing medical experimentation.
At the personal level I’ve a niece who is a gender of one and has her own unique pronouns. You had better know them. Her business is seducing beautiful young women from good families and getting some of that family money. When she’s done with one of her fucks she beats them bloody, sends them to hospital. The good families pay her off rather than press charges. Only men are violent?
Someone please read Durkheim. When the incidence of any phenomenon goes up by a factor of a hundred or a thousand or a hundred thousand it has zero to do with any innate characteristics of the affected individuals. It is social.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 14 2024 19:53 utc | 235

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 14 2024 19:43 utc | 233
Because you are falling for a media-created panic. Lawrence King recruited from a Catholic orphanage and your typical drug/prostitution rings. Epstein and Maxwell trafficked “modeling talent” from Eastern Europe and recruited at trailer parks. Typical rich people playing on the vulnerable, a tale as old as time. Neither needed a “trans agenda” to get away with it. You say trans issues are promoted “to recruit stock for elite-catering pedo-ring,” yet the two most notorious, ACTUAL pedo rings in US history sure seemed to be chugging along fine well before the media gave a shit about trans people

Posted by: Gengar | Mar 14 2024 19:56 utc | 236

@Observer | Mar 14 2024 18:54 utc | 212

Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Castro, Mengistu… their attempts at Socialism have always led to disaster and mass death.

Let’s see.
Pol Pot: a Khmer nationalist, who was overthrown by communist Vietnam; he then fled to western-aligned Thailandia, under the protection of the USA and the UK.
Mao: literally the founding father of the most successful contemporary nation.
Stalin: he led his country under international isolation and through a gruesome war; in the meantime he modernized and strenghtened his country.
Castro: Cuba still has a higher life expectancy than the USA.
Mengistu: Ethiopians literally would love to have back Mengistu at the place of that idiot Abiy Ahmed Ali.

Posted by: SG | Mar 14 2024 19:58 utc | 237

Trans ideology to me seems like an attack on the gay community, and I’ve heard some in that quarter express that opinion. What it’s saying is you’re not gay, but a woman trapped in a man’s body, or a man trapped in a woman’s.
I think many (if not most) of these so-called gender-confused youths are simply gay – they just haven’t realized it yet and there’s no guidance in their environment to help them adjust to the fact because they’re surrounded by people pushing the trans agenda.

Posted by: ebear | Mar 14 2024 19:59 utc | 238

About what the prophet Marx really said, there’s this little piece that may amuse you (or have a cow, depending): https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/
Can’t fault his focus, he only had one society split to make, and the answer to the others was “go away”.

Posted by: pessoa | Mar 14 2024 20:03 utc | 239

“Medical and scientific issues should largely be left to medical and scientific authorities.”
You mean the same scientists that promoted bloodletting and applied electroshock therapy ?

Posted by: Exile | Mar 14 2024 20:03 utc | 240

Old hippie –
….. At the personal level I’ve a niece who is a gender of one and has her own unique pronouns. You had better know them. Her business is seducing beautiful young women from good families and getting some of that family money. When she’s done with one of her fucks she beats them bloody, sends them to hospital. The good families pay her off rather than press charges….
Why would she get paid off ? What hold does she have over the families ?

Posted by: Exile | Mar 14 2024 20:05 utc | 241

Don Firineach | Mar 14 2024 14:14 utc | 53
Your eloquently succinct response to b’s query (which I share) wins the thread. I too have found it disturbing (ever since a bank’s commercial featured children speaking wistfully of mutual funds) that children are increasingly viewed as “little adults,” or maybe more accurately, “little consumers.”
Ralph Conner | Mar 14 2024 17:26 utc | 164

…those Gods must really have it out for Americans…

Perhaps because as the US has been triumphantly parading about the globe since 1945, there has been no one in the chariot to remind them that they are in fact only mortal. Or, more likely, that one was kicked off the chariot and torn to pieces by the adoring mob.
Thanks for keeping the bar truly open, b.

Posted by: robjira | Mar 14 2024 20:06 utc | 242

All of this is bs.
A man is a man
A woman is a woman
A trans man is a trans man
A trans woman is a trans woman
A trans man/woman doesn’t think (s)he’s a man/woman, (s)he just wants to live as a man/woman to be as close as possible of what it is to be a man/woman and not constantly being reminded s(h)e’s a woman/man and will never be a man/woman.
Live and let live.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Mar 14 2024 20:07 utc | 243

The sheer amount of ignorant hate in this discussion (fueled by a terrible post, which is unusual in this blog) is the kind of thing that will prevent many readers from sharing the good contents about Ukraine, Palestine, Europe that are the bread and butter of MoA. No sane person will take the risk of being associated with this

Emphasis mine.
Outrageous and slanderous hyperbole meant to summarily dismiss any and all arguments contrary to your own ideological position. I’ve read the thread, and it is evident to me that you misrepresent anything other than 100% repetition of current transgender activist ideology as hatred.
This is perhaps, in your personal view correct, but allow me to say it’s clearly not in alignment with my interpretation of reality and more importantly speaks to a solipistic view of reality which is sort of terrifying in its mendacity.
The word hatred has a meaning. You attempt to distort language in a disingenuous manner in order to dismiss criticism. It’s intellectual dishonesty and I won’t engage with someone who employs such bad faith arguments. Return to the safety of your echo chambers.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 14 2024 20:20 utc | 244

I dunno b, I get what you are saying but it is a bit heavy with flame war bait?! Doesn’t feel like your normal writing to me.

Posted by: Rae | Mar 14 2024 20:20 utc | 245

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 14 2024 19:16 utc | 220
I have nothing against transpeople minding their own business and living their life however they wish. However, why can’t transpeople simply identify as an unique group that straddles the more common male-female divide, rather than identify themselves as men or women. The problem
here is that the encroachment is removing well understood concepts of female identity and that hurts women, particularly on women’s shelter, dating, and women’s healthcare situations. I personally don’t think it’s helpful for transpeople either to think they actually become their identified gender, because both physically and psychologically, they’re never going to be the same as the CISgendered people. It’s better if they forge their own identity the way that transpeople have done so in the past. That would avoid a lot of the anguish and antagonism.
Don’t have kids myself but I would say that trans participation in sports can be very emotional for parents. I don’t think anyone would mind mix gender club sports, but at higher echelons of competitive sports kids are working very hard to earn their place in ranking and those ranks can strongly affect their college admissions and scholarship chances. It’s not fair for physical males to compete in women’s sports just as it’s wouldn’t be fair to let doping athletes compete.

Posted by: Em | Mar 14 2024 20:21 utc | 246

There are no such things as “trans children”.
There are only children who have been abused.
People know that in cultures such as some of those in Sub-Saharan Africa where genital mutilation is practiced, the victims support the practice because they are convinced it makes them more attractive?
It shouldn’t need to be said, but children are massively influenced by their parents and other adults in their lives. If a child is confused and claiming they need their genitalia mutilated, there is zero chance that is something the child came up with on their own. That child is being abused by the adults around them.
LGBTQWERTY++ people do not reproduce sexually, at least not in significant numbers. In practice, they can only reproduce, if you are willing to call it that, by messing with the heads of small children. This is why drag queen story hours are such significant parts of transgender ideology. This is also why transgender individuals like the ones posting above find themselves surrounded by other gender-confused people, and any children in their communities are likewise often gender confused.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 14 2024 20:25 utc | 247

Posted by: proflutz | Mar 14 2024 13:12 utc | 30
Tell us the entire point of b’s post has gone over your head, without telling us the entire point has gone over your head. You sure its b captured by Ideology? Your link is PURE sciensopeak gobldygook. There is MALE and FEMALE Period. Sure all sorts of grey as where people may FEEL they belong and that’s fine. The problems arise when others are expected to BELIEVE. Until there is an operation that give humans the other working parts
that’s all it will be; a feeling, and that’s fine. Until then STOP pushing your make beliefs on others please. Just stop the clown show. shakes head.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 14 2024 20:31 utc | 248

“cis”
fuck that shit
Thank you b for this post…I, personally, am TRANSOUT!!
Yeah let’s worry about a very small percentage of the population over the very real issues ACTUAL WOMEN face in these dastardly times…

Posted by: furies | Mar 14 2024 20:35 utc | 249

“Yet [European farmers’] legitimate grievances are being used to attack climate and environmental policies.” -bill wolfe | Mar 14 2024 12:20 utc | 11
I think rather that the climate issue is, like the trans movement, being used as a distraction from the machinations of neo-feudalists who are creating a global ruling class above national governments, and aggressively growing the wealth divide in developed nations.
I’ll even go a step further and say that the climate issue has been used to suck oxygen away from other environmental concerns by these same bad actors.
The apparent fusion of Left and Right is occurring within a specific range of adherents of either side who share at least the pretense of believing that meaning should be more than the a pattern of din that emerges from a mass shouting match.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Mar 14 2024 20:36 utc | 250

People can debate how much control that parents should have over their children’s bodies without demonizing trans people.
It’s perfectly normal to question if parents can be allowed to prohibit transfusions, organ donations, tattoos, or if they should be allowed to give a green light to a life-changing procedure such as gender transition. It’s 100% possible to debate at what age we, as a society, should allow certain things to happen.
When you say that “trans people are not satanic per se”, you’re still dehumanizing them, but with “plausible deniability”.
When you put them in the same sentence of pedophiles, you’re associating them with the worst kind of crime (which is mostly perpetraded by white cisgender men).
The claims that schools are performing gender transitions without knowledge of families is completely unhinged. If something like this happened, it’s the exception, not the norm. Even procedures that are allowed by parents are still just outlier cases that are overblown by the media to distract gullible people and make us hate each other instead of hating billionaires.
Trans people have always existed and they never held back any human “progress”, whatever that is. Our reproduction as a species was never threatened by gays or trans, and never will be. The contemporary habit of carrying smartphones in our pockets, for instance, is a real threat to fertility. But that’s not something that politicians can use to get people riled up against fictional enemies, so they point to marginalized groups as the culprits.
The current trend of going against anything “woke” is arguably funded by the same people in power that funded those strands of feminism that shouted “all men are inherently rapists”. They play both sides when it comes to fueling extremism. It’s basic divide and rule.
This thread is yet another example that this strategy is working. The majority of commenters here think that the “trans agenda” is a real threat in a world plagued by war, genocides, ecocides, climate change and a ludicrous level of inequality.

Posted by: Thorn | Mar 14 2024 20:37 utc | 251

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 14 2024 15:06 utc | 72
What a crock of shyte are you pushing here? The progs in the west are the same people who gave us the SRA and a ton of other crap in the 80s. Ozzy worhips the Devil, D’n’D is satanic and pushes children to suicide or the occult, the massacre in El Mozote didn’t happen, the US was fighting with hands tied behind the back in Vietnam etc. Same folks in power change their tune whenever convenient, but that’s just the left’ doing utopian stuff.
The same system that proudly hosted the neocons in the 80s under Reagan does so now as well. But somehow it has gone “progressive”?
Sure, a segment of the western left is a political parody that carries water for one faction of the neoliberal right, but they are more of regressives than actual progressives. After all, Johan, don’t you find it odd that all that unreal and “utopian” fantasies always, by some coincidence, take place in the western capitalist countries but not in states actually governed by Marxist parties?

Posted by: Constantine | Mar 14 2024 20:48 utc | 252

Posted by: proflutz | Mar 14 2024 13:12 utc | 30,
I note you’ve stated that there have been rather big scientific breakthroughs in understanding homo sapien sex and multiple genders, or is it multiple sexes – you then link to a diagram from Scientific America published in 2017 – such a paper/diagram would not have been printed prior to 2014, when all this gender stuff actually took off, that is, ideology started interfering with science, or, in this instance biology.
It therefore comes as a shock to this oik, that so much can be claimed, when, and as pointed out previously, the y Chromosone was only fully decoded/unraveled in mid 2023 with the first paper on this fact appearing in Nature on 23 August 2023 – see here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06457-y
Should not one be alarmed if scientists are making many a claim, specifically in relation to sex and gender, when at the time the claims were made, only 50% of the Y Chromosone had been decoded and our knowledge as it stands from August 2023 is somewhat limited – unless of course AI is involved on some very, very large servers?

Posted by: Chris Rogers | Mar 14 2024 20:48 utc | 253

Stephane | Mar 14 2024 17:34 utc | 170
The Kabul run away should give any gay person some food for thought
Indeed. The LGBT putsch in Afghanistan, one of the most conservative Islamic nations on earth, and its termination, is one of the most graphic episodes of a complete deficiency of human sensibility imaginable.

Posted by: john | Mar 14 2024 21:00 utc | 254

Posted by: Trisha | Mar 14 2024 15:00 utc | 68
You have it backwards. Whos pushing what on who when if I say in public that there are only 2 genders and get cancelled lose my job get ostracized? None of us old farts care either, then again we aren’t the ones forcing others to get compliant with the nonsensical notion that a penis is a vagina just because you say so?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 14 2024 21:00 utc | 255

Posted by: Chris Rogers | Mar 14 2024 18:16 utc | 195
THe entire LGBT-plus-whatever has been turboturfed by the neoliberal establishment. The very people who were losing their crap in the 70s and 80s with the then popular trends as satanic, subversive, products of “cultural Marxism” etc. are now saying that most of that are misogynistic, non-inclusive and all sorts of horsecrap.
The Chinese communists have actually come up with the very appropriate term “Baizuo” which typically is translated as “white liberal”. This splendid label follows partly Lenin nad even more MLK and Malcolm X. It describes the neoliberal capitalists who try to present utterly fraudulent pseudo-progressive credentials as a sugarcoating for their hardcore reactionary policies, both domestic and international.
This option was given full impetus after the 2008 elections, where the first Presidency of change came to the fore. Effectively all neoliberal and imperialist policies of the Bush era were taken to eleven, but this time under the guise of promoting or operating under socially progressive ideals.
Of course, for the brain-damaged by anti-communism folks in the west, this was some Marxist, Bolshevik/what-have-you takeover. It just won’t pick their interest in the least that none of that had happened in the socialist countries, but what the hell. If you want to feel threatened by commies, you will no matter what. In many ways, it is like TDS.
As a final note, especially for folks like Kaspar and the lunatic JackG, it is the US of A that forced the Cubans to apologize for Che Guevara’s admittedly harsh comments towards homosexuals, not the other way around. And after intense propaganda campaigns, the Cuban government organized a referendum and there at least, the people democratically voted for same-sex marriage. But somehow, for the terminally damaged by anti-communist propaganda, the woke parade originated in those pestiferous M-Ls…

Posted by: Constantine | Mar 14 2024 21:09 utc | 256

The thread today confirms what I I posited much earlier today (~40s posts), i.e. that western education has trained at least two generations to be ruled by their appetites and emotions rather than their intellects. Many of today’s threads begin with a false premise, use illogical reasoning, or work backwards from deeply held conclusions that are rooted in emotions.
I’m reminded of one of my professors in graduate school who told me that the syllogism is dead, to which I responded, “Then how do you decide whether to carry an umbrella when you leave your home?” Another professor informed me that “Truth is a Western concept,” which prompted me to ask, “Is that true?”
The trans agenda and the increasingly rampant adoption of homosexuality are but symptoms of a very, very sick society, one afflicted with narcissism due to the absence of a telos beyond itself. This is true on the individual level as well as the societal level. Western society, which is most afflicted and which tries to spread its disease throughout the world, has lost any sense of why we exist, which is ultimately union with the Divine.
Whom ought we blame? Adam? Eve? The Jews? The elites?
The answer is ourselves. The more we accept falsehoods, the sicker we become.

Posted by: Ciaran | Mar 14 2024 21:10 utc | 257

And when the kids are 18 he they will tell you: how did you allow them do this to me dad/mom?

Posted by: Fer Castellanos | Mar 14 2024 21:12 utc | 258

Well obviously children should be allowed sexual partners , to drink alcohol drive cars and join military all at what 2 or 5 years old. That’s equality, and it’s very much on the same insane path as the push to decriminalise paedophilia, it all links back to one tribe that seems to run all these organisations and lobby groups.

Posted by: Hankster | Mar 14 2024 21:27 utc | 259

‘Cultural Marxism’ is a term that conservative thinkers (as opposed to opportunistic politicians) used less after it became one associated with Anders Breivik. In the UK Peter Hitchens, for example, tends to favour the term ‘Gramscian Eurocommunism’ to describe the response of the Left to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Gramsci’s concept of establishing cultural hegemony to secure the revolution was, it seems, used in a more insidious way by the Eurocommunists and leftist sympathisers to destroy traditional conservative values and change societies utterly. Hitchens views people like Labour Leaders Blair and Starmer (both former Trotskyites) as wolves in sheep’s clothing, in pretending to be part of the establishment to get into office whilst harbouring a hatred of the status quo and seeking to effect radical social change.

Posted by: Shakesvshav | Mar 14 2024 21:27 utc | 260

The problem that Trisha and others have to grasp is that none of that has anything to do with any sexual or gender minority rights. By law and common decency, people should do their thing (obviously within the bounds of legality) and not get trashed or threatened publicly.
Yet, the current issue with the multiletter movement is that it has been entirely astroturfed from above with specific political goals. It is the archetypal identity politics propaganda aimed at distracting from real issues and “exhausting” popular energies in utterly fraudulent pseudo-progressive goals. The various minorities are just cinvenient tools.
It started in the Obama era in order to successfully derail any remotely progressive promises to reverse the neoliberal disaster that was supposedly culminating during the Bush years. Unfortunately, the powers that be were only warming up. In every sector, domestic or international, there was an excresence of reactionary liberalism masked by ultra-prog virtue-signalling.
Nothing illustrates that better than what happened five days after Trump’s inauguration in 2017. Millions took to the streets and for what? Was it a Peace March, to demand termination of the permanent war-footing? Hell no. Was it a Workers’ March to push for decisive improvements in the living conditions of working people? Of course not. Instead, hordes of freaks wore their pussy-hats to partake in a Women’s March, utterly devoid of any meaningful progressive message, but replete with furious pearl-clutching no one knows for what.
This who they are. This is what they are. Liberal vermin. Millions have been butchred in criminal wars and tens of millions dislocated, western societies are increasingly degraded and plundered by social vampires, but all is honkey-dory with the appropriate (over)dose of virtue-signalling.

Posted by: Constantine | Mar 14 2024 21:29 utc | 261

Posted by: Shakesvshav | Mar 14 2024 21:27 utc | 260
Gramsci put emphasis on the “cultural hegemony of the elite” as he labeled it as a powerful means of societal control that did not demand the use of state violence. He was absolutely right about it. But anti-communist propaganda – typically by the same culturally hegemonic elites – convinced innumerable conservative chumps that Gramsci advocated the cultural subversion of their most beloved social norms so that commies would force them into bestiality orgies or something.
It goes without saying that most of these folks never wondered why all the cultural horrorsthat they feared never took place in countries where Marxists actually took power…

Posted by: Constantine | Mar 14 2024 21:34 utc | 262

What I find odd about it is if this was such an important issue, why is that the first time anyone mentioned anything about Trans people at all was somewhere in the middle of Obama’s second term. When I was a teenager we knew there were gay people, and we discriminated against them. Blacks, Foreigners and women were discriminated against, usually subtly, but everyone understood the unspoken rules. If you even hinted that you found a person of the same sex attractive, you were immediately ostracized. The closest thing I can think of that remotely resembles today’s ubiquitous reality are girls who appeared butch on the girls softball team. Nobody discriminated against the Trans community because nobody even knew they existed. Now, it’s the chatter of every conversation as if there are millions everywhere.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Mar 14 2024 21:42 utc | 263

Having read much of this thread can’t help thinking, Russia you better win.
Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 14 2024 18:24 utc | 198
Gruff, Dalit, Fred seconded.
If you had told me when I was 20 that at my age now my entire country would be a real life version of the Rocky Horror Picture Show I would have thought you were crazy.
But here we are.
Up next, legalized pedophilia, zoophilia and necrophilia.
It’s easy, they’ll just recycle all the same bullshit arguments, bogus studies and whatnot. Find/replace can take care of changing the terms.
Remember when it changed from “tolerance” to federally enforced legislation?
Looks like the Haitians are taking care of the cannibalism, but maybe we be blessed with that as well! /sarc

Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 14 2024 21:45 utc | 264

One of these days, aliens are going to attack planet earth, and American conservatives will be telling you it’s the damn commies and they knew it all along!

Posted by: Sgt. Max Cockburn | Mar 14 2024 21:47 utc | 265

One more point that I have made elsewhere on the opportunistic use of minorities and troptes by the ruling elites.
Glenn Greenwald is an individual whose background would check plenty of boxes in the western woke bingo card. A Jewish homosexual who was married to a Brazilian man and early on not noted as an ardent anti-imperialist.
A series of affairs he was involved (the case of Snowden, Manning etc.) and the surreal developments of the 2016 elections in the US brought out a dissident image. He opposed imperialism and associated with anti-imperialist activists, denounced Russiagate and its attendant increase in censorhip and in general came in conflict with the prog faction of the neoliberal establishment.
Well, the vitriol and hatred he has received from the known suspects is unimaginable. Precisely because of his background, said folks just couldn’t stomach his opposition to the virtue-signalling powers that be. And that is the whole point, the moment one goes against the empire and the globalist elites, one’s underrepresented minority credentials are revoked pronto.
Needless to say, the same conservatives who were bitching about progressive “showflakes” looking for “safe places” , labeling opponents as haters and bigots and seeking to cancel them, were the very people who adopted precisely the same tactics to crush any criticism of the Zionist aparthed state and its genocidal conduct in Gaza.
In short, the cultural tropes may change but the capitalist elites and their fundamental goals and tactics remain the same.

Posted by: Constantine | Mar 14 2024 21:50 utc | 266

Having read much of this thread can’t help thinking, Russia you better win.
Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 14 2024 18:24 utc | 198
Russia’s victory is irrelevant. The same liberal vermin (progs or conservos) who made such a fuss about the “mullahs” and the conditions of the poor Iranian women have been keeping the silence of the grave for the semi-theocratic monarchies of the Arabian peninsula and their borderline medieval social norms for decades.
If the Islamic Republic of Iran conceded its oil-drilling rights to Exxon Mobil becoming a pillar of the petro-dollar, bought abundant US weaponry, supported Israel and expressed implacable hostility towards Russia and China, Ayatollah Khamenei could rape an infant and then cannibalize it before a camera and the western MSM and politicos would still label him a champion of the “Free World” and the “Rules-based Order”.

Posted by: Constantine | Mar 14 2024 22:00 utc | 267

… though some would still single out Marxism …
https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/marxism-and-the-gender-revolution

Posted by: Ornot | Mar 14 2024 22:13 utc | 268

> Is it really impossible to be reality based and on the left side of things?
ABSOLUTELY NOT! To be “left” merely means your initial assumption about the World is that people are inherently equal. “All humans are born equal” is the way it was put into writing. This current insanity is just that – insanity. That doesn’t mean Revolution failed, it just means it’s having another convulsion of sorts. It’s been having these episodes since way back in Robespierre’s time. Just keep trudging, Revolution is more correct that whatever reactonaries dreamed up – because they’ll inevitably produce something that stifles the human spirit.
I’m also skipping theories about OpGladio 2.0 and other similar ideas.

Posted by: rert | Mar 14 2024 22:13 utc | 269

suzan | Mar 14 2024 18:33 utc | 203
Rockhill appear to link much here that is no way associated with the Frankfurt School – Foucault and Judith Butler, e.g., are certainly not in that tradition and such – deconstructionists are basically Right Hegelians, and perhaps a touch of it in Rockhill from his immersion in the French School. The conflation of the School with the CIA, because the FS addressed the non-communism/non-marxism under Stalin’s rule after he had eliminated all the marxist intellectuals by the early 1930s, is simply total nonsense. There are elements of the dyed-in-wool Trotskyite jumping at me at times as I read … Not sure how familiar you are with FS but I provided some basic links @192 above.
The FS critique of ‘scientism’ and ‘positivism’ remains more than relevant to this day – especially its near total dominance of both US and much of western Academia – which more than anything assists in concealing the capitalist power structures in society.
The post-modernists are far closer to the ideology of the CIA than any other – everything goes while the Power Elites create their own Rovian fables for masses and identity narrative neatly conceal the underlying class and power relations of society.
That said, ta for the intro to Rockhill.
– Critical Theory, in the marxist tradition, remains open – and I, for one, am thankful that it does.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 14 2024 22:14 utc | 270

Of all the comments that have appeared so far, those that have identified the problem – transgenderism as an extension of post-modernism and as a divide-and-rule strategy to exploit, mine and ultimately strip meaning and (eventually) resources and funding from vulnerable groups in Western societies – have been comments by Ringo @ 7 and Em @ 9.
Ringo’s comment demonstrates a cultural extension of what Karl Marx called “anomie”:

… Marx’s concept of alienation states that alienation occurs when something that is, or should be, familiar begins to feel foreign … Alienation doesn’t only relate to feeling disconnected from others, but it is a state of feeling disconnected from one’s own nature. Along with a feeling of disconnect, there is a sense of loss of control. Being in a state of alienation inhibits one’s ability to properly engage in society and with other societal members, affecting more than one aspect of life. Marx believed that alienation emerged in capitalist societies where production was the main focus. Capitalism emphasizes the lack of ownership of the worker by forcing the workers to sell their labor as a commodity to the capitalist, who will [extract profit from] it …

It seems significant that societies becoming increasingly fragmented by technologies, which shun debate, discussion, compromise and diplomacy in favour of technological and/or technocratic solutions, and which have destroyed so much not only physically, culturally and spiritually, but also seek to repress new grassroots community-based movements to replace institutions, systems and beliefs based on elite / imperialist / settler values, have succumbed to a mass anomie.
This mass anomie can be exploited by elites and particular groups of elites, like pharmaceutical companies and the medical profession, and associated networks and institutions (publishing media for example) for profit as well, by exploiting groups such as women and children, in medicalising issues particular to them that actually arise from their having been repressed, ignored or economically exploited in the past.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 14 2024 22:19 utc | 271

I agree with Taibbi’s ridicule of Chu, who apparently has no understanding of child development and how children often veer into solutions to problems — “If I was a girl like Sally then daddy would love me more” etc — that are either transient or can be talked through to a less surgery-ridden conclusion. Too often when people question the trans phenomenon they don’t appreciate the person’s sense of inadequacy, of needing to be something better in a stereotyped way. In a strong sense Chu’s position reflects the refusal of adult trans advocates to consider alternative solutions to this feeling of inadequacy. They don’t need psychotherapy, so why should a child? This is self-promoting ignorance promoting more ignorance, kids will be muddled, confused and scared, and so will their parents.
What’s more interesting, though, is how the trans phenomenon has been seized upon by various critics who want to pass off a moral panic as social theory, to explain a lack of imperial realism. Thus we have Larry Johnson shouting with delight whenever he can brandish a pic of a trans female officer in one of the US services, taking her/him as emblematic of a kind of disorientation, a muddling of operational and strategic direction. Martyanov outdoes him in this.
It astonishes me that they can at other times offer solid criticisms of, to tic off a few, herd thinking that comes with decades of never fighting a peer competitor, or of the egregious profit orientation that leads to US weapons systems being tarted up grab bags of poorly integrated features, of the lazy xenophobia and ignorance that characterizes congressional politics and oversight, of the serious distortions that have stripped the US economy of significant portions of its manufacturing base. They at times even tip toe from the latter into referring to the generalized disaster that is neoliberalism, how the loss of good jobs has led to Deaton’s “deaths of despair” and, beyond that, a growing sense that living standards for most US workers are going to continue to decline as jobs are either lost or dumbed down and as state services continue to contract, either abolished or sold off to some dipshit gang of private equity leeches.
I could go on. The point is that to see the trans phenomenon as in any way causative, and even to see it as clearly an effect, of these major social trends is terribly misleading. In Johnson’s case it seems to serve the purpose of helping him to step back from taking seriously the damage that has been done by the neoliberal program of corporate power, a hesitancy that is part and parcel of his libertarianism, Son of the New American Revolution or not.
A closing jab at Todd. If he just looked at the tea leaves of birth rates in the Soviet Union and didn’t look at the problems with bureaucratic ossification, poorly rationalized planning, and a vampirish defense budget, all of which other authors have seen as key to the Soviet’s erosion, then he was engaging in a kind of radical version of the worst kinds of base-superstructure theory deployed by mechanical Marxists, with birth rate subbing for forces of production and all other social factors being relegated to a “caused” superstructure. To fold in the wishes of trans people to shapeshift their sex with the wishes of the MIC to sell Star Wars gizmos is absurd, and obscures the real social forces that are in play.

Posted by: dadooronron | Mar 14 2024 22:19 utc | 272

@robjira | Mar 14 2024 20:06 utc | 242
Thank you!

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 14 2024 22:24 utc | 273

Em 10
“The trans ideology steals the feminine identity and debase it into a disgusting cosplay of sexual aggression and self promotion. Trans people have existed throughout history but they never identified as women but as a separate category. But now they not only assert that they are women but deny womanhood to all other women -”
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Right on!
The trans movement looks to this woman like a renewed attempt for men to get control of women in Western society and to impose these views on other countries. It is absurd that men are taken seriously as spokespersons for and experts on women, shouting the latter down, in person and metaphorically, and often physically shoving them out of the way, in person or metaphorically. Now men are explaining “chest-feeding” to women? WTF?
The controversy over books in school libraries is an interesting aspect of this. Traditionally women have been in charge in elementary schools, both as teachers and often as administrators. They have overseen the education and socialization of young children in school.
Now it looks to me as though many teachers and school librarians have been co-opted into the LGBTQ+ circus and are advocates not only for exposing young children to topics on “fluid genders” and active sexuality generally, often graphically illustrated, but also for neutering parents’ influence on their children’s education and acting in loco parentis. This new version of “protecting children” by setting them against their parents is being spoon-fed to teachers and school librarians by most likely by political actors who are well funded. It is also possible that the importance of schools and social services helping children who have genuinelyabusive family situations may be getting lost in the ideological shuffle, not to mention those who have genuine confusions, anxieties, and questions that go with the age, and modern civilization.
This is obviously also occurring as teachers try to take over from parents in determining the new gender of the children in their schools and keeping it a secret from the parents.
The struggle over school library books was the subject of one of the Oscar-nominated documentaries, The ABCs of Book Banning (USA). It was highly misleading and IMO pure propaganda. For starters, no mention was made that the restrictions/challenges/banning etc. relate only to school libraries, not public libraries. And of course parents can purchase for their children whatever books they want, or download them on Kindle.
In the film, children and preteens are seen spouting ideological formulae “pur” that had been put into their mouths (many of the formulations are very similar). Some kids were very precocious—but IMO they all had been manipulated to some extent.
This is just one example of how the trans/lgbtq++ agenda is making inroads in women’s traditional spheres of influence.
I don’t think this trans business is ONLY an issue of men encroaching on women and their spheres, but I think it is a significant element.
(And, a peripheral question, many of these children are developmentally and in their reading ability ready to read classics of literature—Mark Twain, Stevenson, Dickens, etc. There are also many young adult classics whose titles I don’t know. But I was reading Dickens/Hardy etc in the eighth grade, both in and out of school. Instead it looks like these preteens’ reading is top-heavy in this gender-focused tripe.)
BTW, what does “cosplay” mean?

Posted by: Jane | Mar 14 2024 22:29 utc | 274

‘The Inability To Distinguish Facts From Wishes’
Sounds like the typical “global warming doesn’t exist” rhetoric.

Posted by: lester | Mar 14 2024 22:29 utc | 275

Bravo! Aside from the damage done to children and the rights of women, one of the most dangerous aspects of gender ideology is miseducating people in how to think and reason. If you can train people to believe that men are women, up is down and 2 + 2 = 5, you can get them to believe anything.

Posted by: Bruce Lesnick | Mar 14 2024 22:30 utc | 276

BTW, what does “cosplay” mean?
Posted by: Jane | Mar 14 2024 22:29 utc | 274
Playing with costumes or costume play. A sober example might be re-enactment of Civil War battles.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 14 2024 22:32 utc | 277

Posted by: Ornot | Mar 14 2024 22:13 utc | 268
This poster is another prime example of the effects of intense anti-communist indoctrination on a specimen of the Homo Sapiens. Apparently, Lenin, Krupskaya, Ho Chi Minh, Fidel, Che Guevara and Ortega didn’t know the “authentic” Marx, but Beauvoir and Firestone did. Sure, why not.
It would be interesting to see the fake Christians who write the linked claptrap respond to the same tactics. After all, all the leading colonialists, the bankers and industrialists who herded the peasant masses in the healscapes of the early industrial zones, the robber barons, all were deemed proper “Christians”. Fascist heretics like Adrian Zenz who preach that Jesus came to the world to make us all rich, Bush and the zealots who have been supporting the War of Terror and the Zionist genocidaires, all proclaim their Christian purity. Surely, such paragons of humanity and the western civilization must be deemed as true representatives of Christianity, should they not?

Posted by: Constantine | Mar 14 2024 22:34 utc | 278

Trisha @ 220:

… Regarding “professional” sports, they’re overpaid prima donnas in my book, purely a spectacle to appease the jaded masses, and I could care less whether trans folks participate or not. That said, I do believe there is a place for trans children to play in school sports, and the world won’t collapse if they are left to do so …

The issue with the place of transgender individuals in school, college and competitive sports is that most such sports, biological male individuals claiming to be transgender are competing with biological women for college / university scholarships or places in teams that attract sponsorship money, which money would allow team members to be able to practice their sport full-time in preparation for major international sports competitions without having to take out bank loans or cut down on participating in their sport because they need money and having to work is the only way to get money.
In addition, the presence of transgender individuals in women and girls’ sports at school or college inhibits the participation of girls and women in those sports, especially if they have to share changing rooms and bathrooms where there is the risk of being exposed to assault and rape.
The encroachment of transgenderism into women and girls’ healthcare and social needs is also resulting in a mirror situation where transgender individuals are taking resources away from women and girls who have real medical issues or who may find they need refuge and protection from violent partners or stalkers.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 14 2024 22:36 utc | 279

Geez, is MoA a nest of old reacs? How many here believe in vaccination? In anthropogenic global warming? In recent sex biology findings? This is not nihilism, get over it. And, b, I’m now reluctant to financially support someone blinded by its ideologies.
Posted by: proflutz | Mar 14 2024 13:12 utc | 31
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These subjects are not questions of belief.
They are subjects that rely on scientific evidence. One is persuaded/convinced by scientific evidence. One resorts to evidence to weigh hypotheses. Speaking of hypotheses and theories as though they were facts established through experiment is actually to raise the hypotheses and theories to the level of faith/religion.
No agnostics allowed! Alternative, nonsupporting evidence not welcome! Alternative theories that are supported by data and evidence are REALLY not welcome.
The fact that the covid-op and the efficacy of the untested clot shots and anthropogenic warming are referred to as “beliefs” shows how far down the drain science has gone.

Posted by: Jane | Mar 14 2024 22:37 utc | 280

Posted by: Constantine | Mar 14 2024 21:34 utc | 262
Yes, as Nietzsche reminds us, like Christianity, capitalism makes the warrior turn the sword on himself. Imagine seeing Marx and Gramsci as hostile to humanity when their texts are the beginning of our emancipation? Only sinuous and cunning capital can make the warrior see his own sword as the enemy.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 14 2024 22:42 utc | 281

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Posted by: todd | Mar 14 2024 22:49 utc | 282

any politician who says this must be investigated
Scholars say that pedophilia is now a sexual orientation that needs to be accepted by members of societ society
https://twitter.com/i/status/1759689022044004439

Posted by: ld | Mar 14 2024 22:53 utc | 283

Glad to see Todd (and b as well) bringing up the Ron Suskind interview with Karl Rove, wherein Rove talked about how he and Bush et al were no longer bound by facts, because ‘we create our own reality’—ahhh, what a line that is. However, Bush jr. et al can’t claim to have invented the concept, or the terminology. Alan Clark’s fine book, Barbarossa, quotes some Nazi official whose name I no longer remember (and lets face it, it doesn’t really matter which one, either) saying the same thing in regards to Nazism. Clark, back in ’64 when he wrote the book, remarked on how vile and revealing an idiocy this statement was about Nazism and the Nazis. I tried some to bring this to the attention of some American journo heavy-hitters back when Rove said this, but none were all that interested. Umm, yeah, things are that bad in USA culture nowadays. Todd no doubt is entirely right in his book, which I haven’t read but need to. Dear me. Things are exactly that bad here.

Posted by: Daniel White | Mar 14 2024 22:56 utc | 284

Shakesvshav | Mar 14 2024 21:27 utc | 260
You do realise that Peter Hitchens himself is ‘former Trotskyist”? And that he is part of a generation in Britain that was deeply influenced by “Trotskyist” theories of basically three kinds- the Cliffite, the Healyite and the Militant (Grant) tendency. (Four! I’m forgetting the Mandel IMG bunch, in many ways the most influential of all)
This ‘communism without the Soviet Union’ was enormously popular in the UK for reasons particularly apparent today when the decline of a society whose rulers sold it to the highest bidders has become undeniable.
The problem with that “Trotskyism” was that, in refusing to have any truck with either the Soviet Union or other states defining themselves as socialist (something quite alien to Trotsky’s practice) it never left its place in the imperialist polity. From the point of view of individuals, particularly those working in the broad public sector, which is to say most academics and intellectuals, this was convenient and allows many of these ‘revolutionaries’ to enjoy their pensions to this day. But from a political point of view it was disastrous and led to effective impotence and the obscenity of “marxists” defending NATO and imperialism, not to say Nazism, in Ukraine.
As to the matter in hand:
“..We must be prepared to defend the idea that, in principle, everyone should have access to sex-changing medical care, regardless of age, gender identity, social environment, or psychiatric history…”
Take away the ‘sex-changing’ and this is a perfectly reasonable-in US terms almost revolutionary- idea. And one that is worth setting out to realise.
As to the general (micro)question. I am inclined to side with hedlykarok@ 105. The confusion of sexuality with reproduction is understandable but anachronistic.
The basic problem, however, lies in the nature of a class society whose central principles are predatory and celebrate greed, selfishness and anti-social behaviour. This is capitalism over which a ruling class, to sustain its power and to confuse its critics, has habitually employed religious and defunct traditional beliefs to supply the illusion of morality which its essential nihilism denies.
The reason why so many-though a tiny minority of- young people are reduced to considering sex change procedures, surgical and otherwise, is that their lives have been fucked up by a sick society.
All the sexual hang-ups working their way to the surface clearly originate in Victorianism in its many variants. The most symptomatic of which is the obsession with sex as a luxury good, a commodity too precious to be purchased directly, a rarity appointed mysteriously. So long as we live in a society in which competition trumps co-operation there must be, for every triumphant consummation many sad personal failures.
So far as Marx is concerned- and it is a comment on the anti-communist obsessions of American society that his name is invoked- he was, in many ways a conservative, as socialists looking for the recreation of community, tend to be. But his conservatism involved the radical questioning of all the institutions of a society which was uprooting and destroying everything human, everything social.
Including the family: the family of the Victorian bourgeois was a caricature of the traditional family, just as factory labour was a degeneration of the communal work of a community engaged in sustaining and reproducing itself. The bourgeois family was riven with commercialism, thoroughly polluted by prostitution, divided by greed and selfishness. In all of which patriarchy was just one among many hierarchical deformations of benign relationships.
Perhaps the root problem here is that so many individuals would sooner do anything-including critical theorising- than sully themselves with useful labour, hence the vast superstructure of idiocy that totters over the animal barbarism of capitalist society, a droning of commonplace observations with the object of discrediting vital senses, which properly exercised as by a child would reveal too much for the rickety structure of a deceitful system of exploitation to bear.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 14 2024 23:00 utc | 285

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 14 2024 22:42 utc | 281
As it happens, I do not agree with Nietzsche’s views on the subject. As a matter of fact, the point I was trying to make is that, if one could describe “authentic” Marxism from the likes of post-modernists, boutique leftists and liberals with socialist pretensions, one might as well define “authentic” Christian values from the likes of the European and North American elites and their mouthpieces I mentioned in my post.
To further add on the theme of the thread, I read the admonitions of the former archbishop of Nicaragua, the fascist homonculous Silvio Baez. Due to the inability of the right-wing compradores to utilize socially conservative tropes against the devout Sandinistas – that was during the 2019 attempted color revolution – he called for an alliance with “abortionists, LGBT activists” etc., conveniently foregoing his supposed championship of “traditional values”. Obviously, service to neoliberalism and the Anglo-American empire trumped (pun intended) his conservative sensibilities.
This fascist rat now hides in Miami iirc, after a massive petition of the faithful to the Pope to sent him off. While Lenin would be shocked to see Marxist -Leninists being devout Christians and fortifying their revolution through their religious convictions, the fact remains that Nicaragua has been a most intractable problem for the neoliberal priesthood, the CIA and its local appendages. It also reveals the flexibility of the Deep State to achieve its goals by using any available means without particular ideological attachments. The ultra-progs are currently the most prominent of such means.

Posted by: Constantine | Mar 14 2024 23:03 utc | 286

Gengar | Mar 14 2024 19:56 utc | 236
“Because you are falling for a media-created panic. Lawrence King recruited from a Catholic orphanage and your typical drug/prostitution rings. Epstein and Maxwell trafficked “modeling talent” from Eastern Europe and recruited at trailer parks. Typical rich people playing on the vulnerable, a tale as old as time. Neither needed a “trans agenda” to get away with it. You say trans issues are promoted “to recruit stock for elite-catering pedo-ring,” yet the two most notorious, ACTUAL pedo rings in US history sure seemed to be chugging along fine well before the media gave a shit about trans people”
For the second time in your demented hysteria you’re fraudulently imputing to me out of thin air a position I don’t occupy. I’m well aware of the long history of the pedo-rings, more recently perfected by the Zionists for blackmail purposes. Things are much worse now, and the pedo-groomer school movement, camouflaged by a mass political psychosis drummed up over a nonexistent thing called “transgenderism”, is the core of it.
And I’ve never once in my life fallen for a media-created panic. Not over “terrorism”, not over a fake “pandemic”, and not over this. You’re the one who believes there’s such a thing as “transgenderism”, as opposed to yet another mass psychosis to join TDS, “Covid”, and rabid Russophobia.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 14 2024 23:13 utc | 287

baphomet is it not a trans
maybe the same folks behind gaza and ukrainia and covidian
cern,gran sasso operation ice cube the swiss tunnel opening celebration ritual the recent birmingham common wealth games opening ritual
all baal molech inverting breaking down destruction
the satanists run all the shoahs

Posted by: todd | Mar 14 2024 23:19 utc | 288

The trans cult is obviously a top down agenda, not a freedom movement of a few plucky and brave cross dressers. No actual freedom movement gets the support of the entire Establishment. No rational person is allowed to confront it, on pain of harassment or the loss of a job. Now they are trying to make calling someone by the pronoun in English that conforms with the actual biological sex of the person referred to, illegal. There are already fines in progress, but they are pushing for actual jail time now.
How is it possible that anyone can look at the lockstep adoption of the narrative by the government, including the courts, the military, the police and the prisons, the media, including conservative media like the NY Post and Daily Mail, which also conform to calling obvious men “she”, as ordered, even if the charge is raping a child, the schools and universities, the libraries, the medical-industrial complex, especially Big Pharma the corporations, social media and NGOs, the scientific establishment, and fail to see the agenda
How can people look at the top down enforcement of allowing men to push their way into women’s spaces, sports, prisons, prison cells, bathrooms, locker rooms, rape centers and domestic violence shelters, and still confidently channel the top down narrative that “these are the Most Oppressed People Ever”? (MOPEs)
Midwives have been kicked out of their organizations for refusing to call women “birthing bodies”. (Which you will see used in every official publication about pregnant women.)
La Leche League now includes the term “chest feeding”. Their motto used to be “The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding”!!
Only a powerful ruling class could force such turn arounds.
Of course this is not Marxism. Forcing people to deny the evidence of their eyes and ears, as Orwell pointed out, is the final and most oppressive act of the ruling class. Sure, they call it Marxism, but that is part of the agenda.
Marx was firm on his opposition to the idealism that claimed that human thoughts created reality, pointing out that it is reality that creates human thought, instead.
The people who cry crocodile tears over the horrible plight of the MOPEs, and denounce those who refuse to obey the dictates to conform to Unreality, are doing the bidding of their rulers. How ironic that they claim the mantel of progressivism or even Marxism, as their justification! Talk about confused.
And “Science ™” has once again followed the money, instead of the science, pumping out complete bullshit about sex for journals for the masses.
There is no such thing as a third or fourth sex. No one is born born male and female, or neither. That is absurd.
“”Sex is biological and 99.98 percent of humans are either straight up male or female with no ambiguities. It’s determined at conception and fertilization, and is observable in every cell, every system, all our hormones, every organ, and in our entire biology. Sex is not assigned, it’s observed as a physical, material, and biological fact. Ultimately it’s all about the gametes. If you produce sperm you are male. If you produce ova you are female. No human was ever born without the haploid contribution of both male and female gametes.
And as regards intersex, this occurs in about 0.017 percent of humans and every case is a disorder of sexual development of either a male or a female. We have a ton of good data and the DSD categories are well understood genetically. These are the six biological karyotype sex disorders that do not result in immediate death to the fetus:
X – Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
XX – Most common form of female
XXY – Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
XY – Most common form of male
XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
XXXY – Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births
“If you are 46, XX, you are female. If you are 45, XO, you are still female, but with Turner syndrome. 47 XXX, 48XXXX and 49XXXXX, aren’t a spectrum of femaleness, they are classified as female chromosomal disorders. If you are 46, XY, you are male. If you are 47, XXY, you are male, but with Kleinfelter syndrome. If you are 48, XXYY, you are male, but with XXYY syndrome. 48,XXXY, 49,XXXXY. All are still male. These aren’t on a spectrum – they are categorized as male genetic disorders. They aren’t considered intersex conditions, but a lot of trans activists like to claim they are.
If someone had trisonomy 21, we don’t say they are on a human spectrum of any sort, we classify them as having Down syndrome.
Intersex conditions by themselves can exist in a spectrum, but only in relation to the severity of that specific condition. But even over that spectrum they have clearly defined categories. Androgen insensitivity syndrome is someone who is genetically male, but their reproductive organs don’t masculinize. It has 3 categories of severity.
There is no spectrum gradient between male and male with androgen insensitivity syndrome. These are clearly defined categories. There is no spectrum gradient between female and androgen insensitivity syndrome. You are either in the category female or category male with androgen insensitivity syndrome. There is no spectrum gradient between having an intersex condition and not.
If you have all the typical indicators of your sex, you are that sex, you are in that category. If you are born with the number and type of sex chromosomes off from your external genitalia, with unmatching or mixed type of gonads, with ambiguous internal reproductive anatomy; and/or ambiguous external genitalia, then you are in the intersex category. There is NO spectrum gradient or overlap between being typical male and having an intersex condition.”
Bottom line: Intersex is a specific set of individual genetic disorders of sexual development – not a third sex or a collection of different sexes.”
Two last points. One: Puberty blockers are actually approved to be used for elderly men with prostate cancer. They are used off-label on children to stop normal growth and development. Remember when the same media that calls giving children cancer drugs off-label “life saving medical care” told us that using other drugs off-label for covid was “dangerous and harmful”? Yeah, that.
Two: To use the language of the befuddled, it shows their “privilege” when they say the trans agenda hurts no one. Clearly, they are not a woman in prison, forced to bunk with a violent man, or afraid to let their children come on Visitor’s Day because the authorities have placed a child abuser in their prison.
They cannot empathize with a rape victim, forced to tell the details of her rape to a male fetishist in drag. They aren’t a domestic violence victim, forced to share a room with a male, even though they are terrified of men at that point. They aren’t a female athlete, forced to share a locker room with a naked man, or to compete against him in sports, which includes losing a potential scholarship.
No. the Just Be Kind people are privileged people, unable to understand the feelings of actual oppressed people, admonishing them to go out and talk to a trans, and then they will understand how important it is to cater to male fantasies and demands.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Mar 14 2024 23:28 utc | 289

adam kadmon init
This is the tiny tip of the iceberg. As many of you know, many of our Elite are actually transgender.
It all goes back to the Jewish occult concept of the First Human. This first human was called Adam Kadmon.
Before God split Adam Kadmon and created the first Man and Woman, Adam Kadmon was transgender.
Transgender Adam Kadmon is known as the Divine Androgyne.
Adam Kadmon: Primordial Man
The transgender agenda is ancient.
Being trans is about achieving divinity as a human and becoming closer to God’s perfect image of a Human – Adam Kadmon.
The problem is that God, in Jewish Occultism, is said to actually be the Baphomet.
The Baphomet just happens to be transgender too.

Posted by: todd | Mar 14 2024 23:38 utc | 290

Trangenderism is a perversion, not because some may feel they would prefer a different sex as that has always been with us, but by using it as a tool to attack and degrade the family unit, which of course is the foundation of any culture. Also transgenderism embraces every sexual perversion ever thought up, that isn’t a basis for society wellbeing but a tool to morally degrade it. Then of course there is the final insult, the attack on our children. Obviously there are both straight and gay pedophiles but my observation is that gay is more prevalent, as the anything goes attitude to sex sees no moral obstructions to sexually assaulting and psychologically destroying children. Many gays consider that all men are closet gays, as such so are kids.

Posted by: Organic | Mar 14 2024 23:57 utc | 291

Is it really impossible to be reality based and on the left side of things?

Yes.

Posted by: Weston Waroda | Mar 15 2024 0:05 utc | 292

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, and again, thank you, thank you!!
I’m forwarding this everywhere!
Finally, an expression of my thoughts I couldn’t express.

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Mar 15 2024 0:19 utc | 293

Posted by: todd | Mar 14 2024 23:38 utc | 290
Wow. Learn something new every day!
“Tiny tip of and iceberg.” Is that about a difficult bris?
No wonder they goys are forbidden from reading the Talmud.
Does circumcision count as genital mutilation? It seems like you are in the know.
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Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 15 2024 0:21 utc | 294

Posted by: Constantine | Mar 14 2024 23:03 utc | 286
As it happens, I think Nietzsche is as much in need in our times as anyone else. Genealogy of Morals is as useful a diagnostic tool as Prison Notebooks or the Grundrisse. Identity politics is suffused by ressentiment. That you haughtily ‘disagree’ with Nietzsche does you no credit as a serious thinker, I’m sorry to say.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 15 2024 0:29 utc | 295

C’mon. This is not a progressive issue.
As capitalism drows and needs a lifebuoy , a piece of it, the Big Pharma , sells an idea and at same time drugs (hormones, psychotropics and other stuffs more) to young people. Furtthermore, the academy produces papers to support these ideas.
Who wants to look for reality, go to Palestine.
By the way, there , Hamas and Houtis are changing the reality, truly.

Posted by: alfeu* | Mar 15 2024 0:31 utc | 296

>>Trangenderism is a perversion, not because some may feel they would prefer a different sex as that has always been with us, but by using it as a tool to attack and degrade the family unit…
Posted by: Organic | Mar 14 2024 23:57 utc | 291
Exactly. They regard the family as a competing institution and are against it.

Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 15 2024 0:31 utc | 297

@wagelaborer
“Marx was firm on his opposition to the idealism that claimed that human thoughts created reality, pointing out that it is reality that creates human thought, instead.”
Nicely rephrased indeed, comrade.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 15 2024 0:33 utc | 298

any politician who says this must be investigated
Scholars say that pedophilia is now a sexual orientation that needs to be accepted by members of societ society
https://twitter.com/i/status/1759689022044004439
Posted by: ld | Mar 14 2024 22:53 utc | 283
Don’t be a square daddy-0, there’s like… thousands of sexual orientations. /sarc
This is what tolerance purchases for society… a kick in the teeth and a bitter cup.
The alphabet beasts tell us constantly in all media, our governments, our hospitals and our schools and universities:
We will eat your children.
We will destroy your family, country, heritage and history.
We will destroy your very genes and eliminate you.
They are deadly serious, believe them.
It will take generations to repair the damage done.
Any more “tolerance” and it might be game over.

Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 15 2024 0:38 utc | 299

Why was this new constituency created by our masters? Let’s say you have an anti war movement. It’s successful. Then one day a group of trans want to join and make the whole thing about their bizarre sexual practice. The group objects. Next days headline: “fascist anti war group hates and excludes trans activists”
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 14 2024 16:10 utc | 109
Here’s an actual story. I used to belong to a peace group. It was active, but not really successful, if you define “success” as stopping the endless wars.
Anyway, once a year we gave an award to a peace activist, with a dinner and a speech. One year, we invited Cindy Sheehan, the Peace Mom, and she accepted.
But the local trannies and their groupies found out, and Cindy had stated the men cannot be women. A mother of five understands the difference, but the purple-haired, nose-ringed millennials prefer to embrace the insanity.
There was a big brouhaha. It turns out that peace is not as important to the virtue flag wavers as protecting the rights of men with a particular fetish, autogynephilia.
Andrea Long Chu, the man mentioned by Matt Taibbi, is a well-paid, Pulitzer Prize winning trannie, an autogynephilic who describes women as ‘barest essentials’ of femaleness as ‘an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes’.”
Such a MOPE! How can anyone be cruel enough to deny this man his fantasies, and refuse to kowtow to his demands? If only you would get to know him, you would embrace the entire ruling class agenda.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/19/a-pornified-view-of-womanhood/

Posted by: wagelaborer | Mar 15 2024 0:40 utc | 300