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March 14, 2024
Transgender – The Inability To Distinguish Facts From Wishes

Matt Taibbi opines on the latest piece of transgender nonsense:

The Dumbest Cover Story EverRacket News, Mar 13 2024
New York Magazine's "Freedom of Sex" is the ultimate example of the lunatic nihilism that's consumed America's intellectual class

New York Magazine has a new cover story, by the trans writer Andrea Long Chu: “The moral case for letting trans kids change their bodies.” A jeremiad in support of the idea that children must have absolute political agency, it makes the Unabomber manifesto read like a Shakespeare sonnet. The money passage:

We must be prepared to defend the idea that, in principle, everyone should have access to sex-changing medical care, regardless of age, gender identity, social environment, or psychiatric history.

A lot of the piece is standard-issue woe-is-me fuck-everything cartoon nihilism you’d hear from any laptop-class liberal arts product, arguing for a generalized smashing of the patriarchy, among other things by attacking the biological conspiracy to produce those units of material labor value known as babies. Complete abolition of norms would be an “impossible task,” Chu notes sadly, but that doesn’t preclude their “collective reimagining” by an alliance of intersectional victims working toward a Marxian paradise free of “oppressive systems,” which of course include the nuclear family.

The nihilism Taibbi points to is also the major theme the French anthropologist Emmanuel Todd takes on in his book "The Defeat of the West".

From its New York Times review:

This Prophetic Academic Now Foresees the West’s Defeat (archived) – New York Times, Mar 9 2024

American leadership is failing: That is the argument of an eccentric new book that since January has stood near the top of France’s best-seller lists. It is called “La Défaite de l’Occident” (“The Defeat of the West”). Its author, Emmanuel Todd, is a celebrated historian and anthropologist who in 1976, in a book called “The Final Fall,” used infant-mortality statistics to predict that the Soviet Union was headed for collapse.

Mr. Todd is not a moralizer. But he insists that traditional cultures have a lot to fear from the West’s various progressive leanings and may resist allying themselves on foreign policy with those who espouse them. In a similar way, during the Cold War, the Soviet Union’s official atheism was a deal-breaker for many people who might otherwise have been well disposed toward Communism.

Mr. Todd does believe that certain of our values are “deeply negative.” He presents evidence that the West does not value the lives of its young. Infant mortality, the telltale metric that led him to predict the Soviet collapse half a century ago, is higher in Mr. Biden’s America (5.4 per thousand) than in Mr. Putin’s Russia — and three times higher than in the Japan of Prime Minister Fumio Kishida.

While Mr. Todd is, again, not judgmental on sexual matters, he is judgmental on intellectual ones. The inability to distinguish facts from wishes astounds him at every turn of the Ukraine war. The American hope early in the war that China might cooperate in a sanctions regime against Russia, thereby helping the United States refine a weapon that would one day be aimed at China itself, is, for Mr. Todd, a “delirium.”

Back in January Todd expanded on the inability of distinguishing facts from fiction, which is also the basis of trans-genderism, during an interview with Le Figaro. From its English translation:

Q: Over time, haven't you become a bit of a reactionary?

I was brought up by a grandmother who told me that, sexually speaking, all tastes are part of nature, and I'm faithful to my ancestors. So, LGB, welcome. For T, the trans issue is something else. The individuals concerned must of course be protected. But the fixation of the Western middle classes on this ultra-minority issue raises a sociological and historical question. To establish as a social horizon the idea that a man can really become a woman and a woman a man is to assert something that is biologically impossible, it is to deny the reality of the world, it is to assert the false.

Trans ideology is therefore, in my opinion, one of the flags of this nihilism that now defines the West, this drive to destroy not just things and people but reality. But, once again, I am in no way overwhelmed here by indignation or emotion. This ideology exists and I have to integrate it into a historical model. In the age of the metaverse, I can't say whether my attachment to reality makes me a reactionary.

The intentional denial of reality, as it is currently practiced in the West, is not a new phenomenon. It is the basis of neo-conservatism from where it has crept over to the progressive side.

As Ron Susskind wrote in his portrait of the first years of the Bush junior presidency:

Faith, Certainty And The Presidency Of George W. Bush (archived) – Ron Susskind / New York Times, Oct 17 2004

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

Karl Rove, the Bush advisor Susskind had quoted, displayed the same lunatic nihilism that is represented by those who argue that children, teenagers or people generally should can freely chose their gender. It is an attempt of "creating other new realities". It represents a total denial of actual reality and of the common values derived from it. The Bush administration failed in its endeavor to create new realities in Iraq. The current regime in the West will fail likewise with regime change in Russia. So will others who deny realities.

The author of the Todd book review, Christopher Caldwell, adds:

Fighting a war based on values requires good values. At a bare minimum it requires an agreement on the values being spread, and the United States is further from such agreement than it has ever been in its history — further, even, than it was on the eve of the Civil War. At times it seems there are no national principles, only partisan ones, with each side convinced that the other is trying not just to run the government but also to capture the state.

I see a very similar denial of reality, followed by nihilism and a lack of values, at the top of the current European leadership. The loss of the common view of things is splitting societies on both sides of the Atlantic.

However, with regards to transgenderism, some sense of reality is still trying to survive:

National Health Service England stops prescribing puberty blockers, citing 'not enough evidence'USA Today. Mar 13 2024

"We have concluded that there is not enough evidence to support the safety or clinical effectiveness of (puberty suppressing hormones) to make the treatment routinely available at this time," the publication by NHS England stated.

Puberty is a natural process which often includes a temporary confusion about ones identity. Blocking a kids puberty to further some ephemeral confusion some may have during those time is in my view criminal.

I even agree with Rishi Sunack on this:

U.K. prime minister on gender: ‘A man is a man and a woman is a woman’Washington Post, Oct 5 2023

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak asserted his stance on gender identity in a speech Wednesday, stating it was “common sense” that “a man is a man and a woman is a woman” — a remark that sparked criticism from transgender rights activists and elicited fervent applause from attendees of the Conservative Party Conference.

I see myself, just like Matt Taibbi seems to see himself, as a progressive striving for a society based on some form of socialism and justice.

To then find myself on the same side of an issue as some staunch conservatives, and getting attacked for it, is mildly disturbing.

Is it really impossible to be reality based and on the left side of things?

Comments

This has zero to do with Marx, which is a false claim that prompted me to stop reading Taibbi. This BS about “cultural Marxism” is a propaganda campaign of the extreme right fascists out there.
What really is going on what’s described and named by Professor Nancy Fraser as “Progressive Neoliberalism”. That is a political project whereby the Democrats use identity politics and curtail issues (“progressive”) to mask pro-corporate economic and pro-war policies (“neoliberal”).
Google her published papers on that term. Superb work.
Posted by: bill wolfe | Mar 14 2024 12:08 utc | 7
Nailed it. Read anything Marx, Lenin wrote and you’ll find nothing supporting racial, gender or sexuality struggle.
This is finely crafted anti-marxism, designed to confuse a working class that has been systematically denied a proper education, encouraged to see itself as disconnected individuals out of time and encouraged to emote and not think in approach to complex social problems.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 14 2024 15:55 utc | 101

Johan Kaspar @72
There are some excellent comments on this thread, but yours, Mein Herr, is the best of them so far.

Posted by: AJ | Mar 14 2024 15:58 utc | 102

First, there’re many excellent reasons why most cultures have decided that children need to be protected from themselves until they gain maturity and are thus considered minors under law.
Yes, the West is fading like an old picture exposed to sunlight over time as elites have used Divide and Rule tools so often societies are minced. Compare all those divisions with this statement by Putin while conversing with one of the winners of the Leaders of Russia contest:
“As you know, our most important weapon is the consolidation of Russian society and the attitude towards the Motherland that you and the people with whom you served and still serve demonstrate. This is the most important, most powerful weapon. And those people who expected to suppress us with the help of economic sanctions, with the help of armed force, they did not take this into account and cannot take it into account, because in order to take this into account, you need to be a citizen of the Russian Federation, a part of our common culture.” http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/73646 [The translated transcript will soon be available at my substack.]
There’s a huge difference when it comes to providing material support for the people within nations with it rising in the developing world and rapidly falling within what was the developed world–was because it’s simply destroying itself via financialization and the continual subversion of society via divide and rule tools so elites can maintain their oligarchy. The promotion of transgenderism is an attempt at the negation of Nature–the most insidious ploy made by those pushing Cancel Culture. The ploy is being pushed by Fascists and is extremely reactionary and is thus totally divorced from left/right. Yet, this isn’t the first-time elites have tried to turn reality upside down as they’ve succeeded in doing so several times over the past 2000+ years.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 14 2024 16:01 utc | 103

Posted by: bill wolfe | Mar 14 2024 12:20 utc | 11
Agree.
Re: Greenwald, he’s on the ‘correct’ side of things where government overreach into civil liberties is concerned, across the spectrum of such creeping authoritarianism from the Internet to the police state.
Interestingly, he was one of the most vocal proponents of the Iraq stage of the “7 countries in 7 years” PNAC mantra when he first started his post-legal career. It’s literally on the inside flap of the cover of his first book. He’s in favor of Bush’s War on Error and the invasion of Iraq.
So as you note, he can be a bit of a changeling. I think he mostly corrects in the right ‘direction’ over time, and it’s hard to find fault in the legitimacy or merit of any of his reporting or analysis these days.
On the general topic of the thread, the transgender or would-be transgender community must be incredibly tiny. So all the hubbub is largely corporate and government driven. It’s not a coincidence that the majority of the “debate” happens within (and on air) the same media and newspaper outlets owned by those companies, families and individuals most heavily invested in the MIC and imperialist war making/planetary “full spectrum” domination. On both the would-be left and right. As others have stated, the corporations and banks (and their media mouthpieces) with a (largely unearned) reputation as left-leaning have hijacked this and other issues (see: the rapid about face on the taking of knees in NFL and NBA games which suddenly became rainbow colored cleats and “STOP RACISM” messages printed in the endzones) to ‘rainbow wash’ and ‘green wash’ their rentier finance capitalism-driven destruction of the planet and co-optation of societies. So in a huge sense, it’s a diversion or distraction.
The desperate Western militaries are also quite stupid, and they have on-staff (or on retainer consultancies) morons telling them they need to fix their recruiting shortfalls not by resuming their roles as defenders of national territorial integrity and not by engaging in one illegal war of conquest after another, but by opening up their ranks to the tiny population of twinks and transgenders.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 14 2024 16:02 utc | 104

“LGBT is another form of trying to change the course of nature, to reject reality. It is not biological to desire sex with people from your own gender. Simply not natural, i.e. detached from reality.”
#72
Complete and utter bullshit. ALL animals exhibit homosexual as well as hetero and bisexual behaviours, rituals and/or tendencies, most pronounced being among our closest relatives – the Bonobo.
from (yes, I know) wikipedia:
Various non-human animal species exhibit behavior that can be interpreted as homosexual or bisexual.[1] This may include same-sex sexual activity, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same-sex animal pairs.[2][3][4][5] Various forms of this are found in every major geographic region and every major animal group. The sexual behavior of non-human animals takes many different forms, even within the same species, though homosexual behavior is best known from social species.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Mar 14 2024 16:05 utc | 105

A peek at the time stamps reveals the user “tenet” to be a troll.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 14 2024 16:05 utc | 106

thanks b
i’m with thorn and b on this.. thanks thorn for a voice of reason and compassion here..

Posted by: james | Mar 14 2024 16:06 utc | 107

“But the western male ego is so fragile and easily triggered, isn’t it?”
Posted by: Trisha | Mar 14 2024 15:00 utc | 68
True enough but you don’t really speak to the issues that are creating a backlash.
What are your views on government enforced transition of children under the age of 16 for example? Or 20? 13? (British Columbia Canada)
Do you think someone that grew up as a biological male should be allowed to compete in women’s sports? Despite the massive difference in physical strength between the two.
I’m not legally required to refer to a minister in government as honorable, and like Jordan Peterson here in Canada, I’m not going to be forced to call you anything. Imagine the backlash of enforcing that.
I’m very much sympathetic to your views and situation Trisha; I always have been. So it’s absolutely tragic to see such a tiny minority used so cynically for political aims.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Mar 14 2024 16:09 utc | 108

Also worth remembering how outsized the “trans” debate is considering the actual population of trans people. Mainstream liberalism, having decided it agreed with the neocon foreign policy and neoliberal domestic policy consensus, no longer has anything to substantively disagree with the right on. So of course they’re going to push fringe social issues and pretend like it’s a huge deal in order to distinguish themselves. It helps both the right and liberal media establishments.
Posted by: Gengar | Mar 14 2024 12:42 utc | 18
Good point. It’s a RC created species that was virtually non existent, even in California, just 20 years ago (although Castro Street has probably always had a few of these freaks).
Why was this new constituency created by our masters? Let’s say you have an anti war movement. It’s successful. Then one day a group of trans want to join and make the whole thing about their bizarre sexual practice. The group objects. Next days headline: “fascist anti war group hates and excludes trans activists”.
These folks although they may not know it, are a ruling class weapon. I feel pity for them because sooner or later they will awake from this and it will dawn on them that they are just a ruined, dickless, perverted political experiment of a desperate ruling class…of course without health insurance, broke and living in an urban nightmare.
The ruling class has created a wasteland and a degree of alienation so extreme that youth suicide is at record levels. Of these destroyed children they gather their candidates for surgery by telling them that hell will become heaven if they just cut their dick off and viola, a new species is born.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 14 2024 16:10 utc | 109

@ bill wolfe | 7
“…”cultural Marxism” is a propaganda campaign of the extreme right fascists out there.”
“What really is going on what’s described and named by Professor Nancy Fraser as “Progressive Neoliberalism”. That is a political project whereby the Democrats use identity politics and curtail issues (“progressive”) to mask pro-corporate economic and pro-war policies (“neoliberal”).”

You need to google “Frankfurt School” and you will see a whole slew of openly Marxist (no problem there) and mostly Jewish (a problem ?) individuals hell-bent on changing German society, with sexual politics as the core of their attempt to dismantle this authoritarian culture. (((Horkheimer, Marcuse,))) Adorno (Jewish father), etc.
The Frankfurt School and Cultural Marxism is a mushroom garden where you have to be very carefully to discern the deadly from the delicious. In my twenties, I thought Marcuse’s book “One Dimensional Man” was excellent. About ten years later, I had the displeasure of meeting (((Erica Sherover-Marcus))), his third wife. She was openly a man-hater and didn’t even want men attending her seminars because they were irredeemable. That was a shock which should have served as my wake-up call, but I thought she was just an opportunist she-dog who managed to latch onto a famous name. Now, I’m not sure if one could honestly say there is a serious distinction between Herbert Marcuse and his third wife. I would not bet high stakes that Herbert Marcuse had put all his card face-up on the table. Still, it’s a good book.
So “cultural Marxism” is an epithet that resonates for people who have a knee-jerk reaction to Marxism. But anyone can attach their crackpot ideas to Marxism. Pol Pot for instance. But clearly those “attachments” are not central to Marxist theory which is grounded in economics, classism, power relations, etc. Sex can be included, but it’s not central. Add sex or take it away, the Marxist edifice still stands, more or less. But in ways, Marxism is hardly complete.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Mar 14 2024 16:10 utc | 110

Tenet, please just take a deep breath and go on a short walk or something. For your own health.
Posted by: Gengar
light years distance from healthy most of these posts are.
too much trouble to evolve.
Matthew Shepard died for the sins of hateful fux.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voG9ildgmCM

Posted by: Not Ewe | Mar 14 2024 16:15 utc | 111

hedlykarok @79
All children have illusions about the world. Some are less sheltered and grow out of their fantasies, while others are encouraged to maintain their illusions until physical maturity. In other cases children are psychologically damaged and not provided adequate support to overcome the damage, and thus can never mature psychologically.
Transgender people are damaged people who have failed to achieve adulthood in a healthy manner. Encouraging transgender delusions in children damages and stunts their natural development and prevents them from establishing a healthy adult relationship with reality.
One of the great tragedies of the whole transgender fad has been the grotesque corruption and mutilation of tomboys. Instead of young girls grappling with and rebelling against the physical changes their bodies are undergoing in puberty, but finally coming to realize the wonderful natural transformation they are going through, now tomboys are drugged and physically mutilated.
People generations from now will look back on this period and shudder in revulsion. They will wonder how people of our time could be so terribly wrong on this issue.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 14 2024 16:17 utc | 112

Did you see this?
West Point Ditches “Duty, Honor, Country” From Mission Statement

Before:
“To educate, train and inspire the Corps of Cadets so that each graduate is a commissioned leader of character committed to the values of Duty, Honor, Country and prepared for a career of professional excellence and service to the nation as an officer in the United States Army.”
The new one reads:
“To build, educate, train, and inspire the Corps of Cadets to be commissioned leaders of character committed to the Army Values and ready for a lifetime of professional excellence and service to the Army and Nation.”

The first one sets out specifics for “Character”.
The second one is ‘character’ followed by…(whatever)…
As ‘Army Values’ is a variable that will shift depending upon future influences, West Point adapted their Mission Statement
such that it does not necessarily need to be constantly rewritten.
It doesn’t even say whose Army.
They dropped the words, ‘United States’.


Perhaps someone can graduate West Point and then serve as a dual-loyalist in that other Army.
There have been thousands of headlines about a 19-year old IDF soldier who was a dual loyalist.
I wonder, but not too hard, whether, if so ordered, that 19-year old would have fired upon
a USS Liberty like target.

Posted by: librul | Mar 14 2024 16:17 utc | 113

I never could imagine that these progressives are so violent.

Posted by: vargas | Mar 14 2024 16:18 utc | 114

Note: a sex change operation from
Soup-to-nuts is way over $1 million plus decades of very VERY expensive drugs and therapy.
It’s a lucrative business.
And all paid for by your insurance

Posted by: Exile | Mar 14 2024 16:19 utc | 115

To clarify and correct a few things in my previous comment (104), I did not intend to come off as bigoted against the “trans or queer” community. Let me rephrase the last paragraph thusly:
The desperate Western militaries are also quite stupid, and they have on-staff (or on retainer corporate consultancies) morons telling them they need to fix their recruiting shortfalls NOT by resuming their roles as defenders of national territorial integrity and, by extension, NOT engaging in one illegal war of conquest after another, but instead by opening up their ranks to the tiny population of twinks and transgenders so that they can continue to do more of the same, i.e., having nothing to do with defending actual US territory and everything to do with continuing the illegal military invasions and occupation of Planet Earth on behalf of their masters in private finance rentier extractive Capital.
Any annoyance in my tone is precisely because I’m made to think about this stuff way more often than I normally would because the so-called “left” outlets that serve as the Elite mouthpieces and thought instruction manuals for the PMC (again, on behalf of Capital) are constantly fighting the “conservative” anger-driven media (who are also controlled by the same Capital interests, different families or companies) which pushes the issue CONSTANTLY. Returning to the example of Colin Kaepernick taking a knee during the craptastic National Anthem, why did the NFL do such a sudden about face on a subject that should have been simply ignored and/or his wishes respected the first time around? Because the finance Capital owners realized they were alienating the only thing or people they care about: a large segment of MONEY and the people willing to SPEND MONEY (or watch their ads) on the NFL.
It’s a culture war whipsaw and I choose to ignore it whenever I can. IMNSVHO anyone who got a bee in their bonnet or their panties twisted over a guy engaging in protest by kneeling during the anthem is either a moron, or very well programmed by the aforementioned capitalist-militarist cultural/media/social media and government interests. Pay no mind (or celebrate!) military jet flyovers and massive recruitment pushes at NFL games and on TV.
And the only reason I keep harping on Kaepernick and the NFL is that it’s the same exact people who spend their days yelling about trans people that were pissed about the kneeling.
Disclaimer: Kids are kids, and of course they should be protected. No 5, 8 or even 17 year old is mentally developed enough to decide they are the wrong gender. If an adult who can technically be drafted, can vote, can buy booze or join the workforce wants to spend their money getting their dick chopped off and guzzling hormones, have at it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 14 2024 16:20 utc | 116

I am really sick of it.
Where have you been the past 10 years? I tried to warn everybody 5 years ago, 10 years ago, that this nonsense will consume everything. Back then I was a relatively young member of the social democratic party and I was crying for help from people like you. I wanted older members of the party to look at this pile of nonsense and help me stopping it, but all you did, was ignoring it “because young people always are that way” and so it was people like you, who would call everybody who pointed at the incomprehensible nonsense that would come out of gender theory a reactionary, conservative, right winger etc.
Now you are confused, when you would went after everybody who tried to tell what you understand under “feminism” or “equality” or “socialism” has nothing to do with what your JuSo and antifa and left student organisation mean by theses words.
There is NOT A SINGLE sane person under 40 left in left wing parties. NOT A SINGLE ONE. By now, you can’t stop it anymore except for going to the so called “far right”.
The attitude, that you cant be on the same side with a conservative, that a conservative can’t be right, and that everybody who is critisizing anything that proclaims to be “left” brought us here.
There is something I wanna tell all who call themselves “old leftists”. YOU BROUGHT THIS STUPIDITY ABOUT BECAUSE YOU JUST WOULD NOT LISTEN! Now you are complaining because you and the people you are siding with (all sane people who are left on this planet) are called “fascists” by the people you shielded from all criticism for decades?
Now in 2024 you are getting upset? When this bullcrap was restricted to universities, you called everybody who didnt want to go along with it “right wing” yourself.
I know I am generalizing but I have really had it. The big storm in germany hasnt even arrived, because the generational shift hasnt happened yet. Wait ten more years when those who went to university after 2010 get in the positions to “shape society”.

Posted by: Orgel | Mar 14 2024 16:22 utc | 117

A very lucrative future can be foreseen for lawyers suing doctors/government for performing surgeries and prescribing “medication” to children who later grow up to regret the extensive damage done to their bodies.
That is likely what will stop this in the end …

Posted by: Caliman | Mar 14 2024 16:23 utc | 118

light years distance from healthy most of these posts are.
too much trouble to evolve.
Matthew Shepard died for the sins of hateful fux.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voG9ildgmCM
Posted by: Not Ewe | Mar 14 2024 16:15 utc | 111
Matthew was not trans. Nobody here thinks killing people because they happen to be gay is good.
Sadly, by falsely invoking Mathew you’re attempting to cast opposition to medical experimentation on vulnerable children as tantamount to killing a gay adult man simply for being gay.
You probably don’t think you’re a Dem, but they have you ideologically. Work on that, Ewe.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 14 2024 16:23 utc | 119

I knew people with gender problem. They said they were born in a wrong body.
But that ware adults, and that is one thing, this wicked ideology is something else. They consider being a woman means hating all men.

Posted by: vargas | Mar 14 2024 16:23 utc | 120

Posted by: Thorn | Mar 14 2024 13:55 utc | 45
The notion that these people are “inflicting” something on others is a fantasy.

It is a worse fantasy to deny many of the implications. Exhibit 1: they are ‘inflicting’ men into womens’ sports. That is wrong; period, not to mention unfair and physically dangerous. To deny this is deeply misguided.
Although you make good points about the humanity of transgender people etc. there is a clear and present political agenda that bypasses such humane concerns. Because it is so easy to confuse decent people this way, it is an effective culture war issue further undermining our collective sense of normalcy, including healthy affection and loyalty between men and women from whom come children which are any given society’s future and principal treasure. This whole push to have our precious young children wrestle with their own gender identity, toxic drugs and life-altering surgeries at tender young ages is an attack on both human nature and sanity, and thus truly satanic. It must be firmly resisted. Well-intentioned denials such as yours contribute to this wrong being perpetrated against our young.
To be clear: it is not transgenderism or transgenders per se that are satanic but a top-down drive to inflict this on young people who otherwise would never countenance such life-wrecking distress and harm. Further, that somehow it is a ‘new normal’ that the State can dictate how we should think and feel, and that such things are a right which society is somehow obligated to provide free of charge, even without parental consent, just because Authority says so.
All of which bringing us one step closer to totalitarianism…

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 14 2024 16:23 utc | 121

@ gruff
Again, you seem to be projecting opinions without benefit of experience, casting onto others what you have no clue about.
My nephew was born my niece. From the earliest pubescent age, he was binding ‘her’ breasts down, revolted by them. Sex was an absurd activity that made no sense to him as he was. Luckily he had supportive parents, family and friends and not uncaring fascists like some I could mention, he also lived in a state that didn’t view him as insane and fit for elimination. He waited until his early 20s to start hormone therapy and now actually enjoys some sexual activity as it now makes more sense to him.
So, SFTU.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Mar 14 2024 16:27 utc | 122

@Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 14 2024 16:20 utc | 116
I wonder sometimes about the transformation of the armed forces.
If there ever were a Deep State/Democratic Party (DS/DP) inspired civil war
could the DS/DP count on the armed forces to follow their orders?
Not that long ago the recruits were heavily conservative types.
Is someone thinking ahead?

Posted by: librul | Mar 14 2024 16:27 utc | 123

Note: a sex change operation from
Soup-to-nuts is way over $1 million plus decades of very VERY expensive drugs and therapy.
It’s a lucrative business.
And all paid for by your insurance
Posted by: Exile | Mar 14 2024 16:19 utc | 115
Excellent materialism, Exile. Factor in the political function of the experiment and it’s a big winner from the perspective of the empire managers. Oh, and since the population of trans is so small, they can provide government programs for them that allow them to tout their progressive credentials and virtue on the cheap. Better than doing anything for society at large.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 14 2024 16:28 utc | 124

Posted by: Johan Meyer (2) | Mar 14 2024 12:30 utc | 13
well said, succinctly argued summary of European intellectual history concluding in pervasive antisocial behaviors and dissociative disorders among its heirs and assignees.
viz. cultural effects thereof
“McCarthyism”: violent conflicts, beginning 1871 and formally adopted by the US Congress in 1938, to expurgate communist sympathy expressed by organized labor
“settler colonialism”: malaprop expressing one’s desire to dissemble historical foundations of conspicuous wealth derived from violence
“reproductive right”: any license to express or suppress innate biological processes epito
“representative democracy”: It’s not me, memorialized in this anti-coercion instrument said to protect international norms from “third-country” sovereigns

Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 14 2024 16:29 utc | 125

“But the western male ego is so fragile and easily triggered, isn’t it?”
Posted by: Trisha | Mar 14 2024 15:00 utc | 68
Ungh, so incredibly abstract. All western males and their sensitive egos.
Trisha: an example of bourgeois idpol and the sexism it promotes (against men).

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 14 2024 16:32 utc | 126

b’s top post has UK declining to pass out puberty blockers. Where I live those are passed out to toddlers. Surgery begins soon after. The agenda is ritual mutilation of children. The practice is ritual mutilation of children. If the world made any sense I would guess that some evil person somewhere is getting a sexual kick out of spectating the carnage. Maybe or maybe not. We are doing this because we do it.
Children abused in this manner will not live long and are medically compromised in ways we cannot begin to understand. A huge experiment with millions of victims. Direct victims that is.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 14 2024 16:32 utc | 127

Thanks for the report b.
The issue of trans is one to divide the society. Divide and concur/rule that is.
It wouldn’t be such a hot issue if the elites didn’t think so. Why bring a very, very, very minor class issue to the majority? The gay issue, became a major issue, when Karl Rove, that you write about, put the issue on the ballot in 2004 to get the conservatives, which rejected it, to come out in droves to vote for his candidate, W43. Since then, in a reversal, gay marriage has become legal in most of the country. The elites have many bankrupt ideologies, but bankruptcy of ideas never stop them. Same goes with hubris of the exceptionalists.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 14 2024 16:36 utc | 128

But he insists that traditional cultures have a lot to fear from the West’s various progressive leanings
That would be Former West. The West is not “progressive”. The Former West’s culture is marked by post-modernism, talmudism, atheism, with some gnosticism thrown in. Alien to the foundations of The West.

Posted by: JackG | Mar 14 2024 16:37 utc | 129

I will say that another layer goes along with that one.
The “trans movement” wouldn’t gain any traction without a lot of outside support,
support from the mimics.
People, generally, are mimics in search of group acceptance.
People, mimics, will rationalize what they wish to believe
and what they believe is what they adopted from the group
that they want acceptance from.
Posted by: librul | Mar 14 2024 13:02 utc | 24
There wouldn’t be anything to mimic if the power structure didn’t support it. Transgenderism is astroturf from the get go, and carefully planned and promoted attack on the core element of lower class resistance to the PTB: the family. Family as the base unit of society is the school of socialism. It’s a practical form of cooperation around real-life issues and, when functioning, creates hundreds of millions of pockets of resistance to the fundamental capitalist narrative of transaction for profit. The whole ‘social evolution’ of the US, and hence of the west, since WWII at the latest has been a series of strikes against the family, from the Sexual Revolution and the Steinem (CIA) version of feminism, to Gay Rights, to the offshoring of industry, to the promotion of two-earner households, consumerism, single mother CEOs, the glorification of dysfunctional sexual relationships in all forms of media and government policy, to removal of institutional and legal supports for traditional family structures, to anti-male bias in education from kindergarten upward. Transgenderism is just the logical extension of these trends- deliberately orchestrated trends- that the people with the big money have been promoting for a long time. Dynasties are for the rich, atomic individualism for everyone else.
Hopefully this is the Bridge Too Far, and people are finally catching on, but the anti-trans movement is also orchestrated, in its current form, as an expression of right-wing Christianity and religion in general. We are being offered a choice between championing the leadership of the egregiously mentally ill or the Handmaid’s Tale. The ‘return to sanity’ is still far away.

Posted by: Honzo | Mar 14 2024 16:38 utc | 130

Now spend half half an hour thinking why US institutions promoted that particular “leftist” thought, instead of, say, traditional Marxism,
Traditional Marxism! That’s a new one, LOL. No True Scotsman!!

Posted by: JackG | Mar 14 2024 16:40 utc | 131

@ librul | Mar 14 2024 16:17 utc | 113
Mike Pompeo graduated from West Point in 1986, first in his class. Did you happen to catch Pompous shaking his rump with some IDF in Israel last month?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1QNfq0OsiEM

Posted by: majoab | Mar 14 2024 16:41 utc | 132

Hate against trans people is very popular now. Maybe Matt Taibbi is just using this trend to pivot his career, like so many others are doing.
Posted by: Thorn | Mar 14 2024 14:32 utc | 60

This kind of disingenuous framing is why this subject is so fraught. Taibbi and others considering and worrying on the implications of denying reality itself are not hatred, which is a simplistic pejorative you can handily reach for whenever you wish to bludgeon an ideological opponent.
Do whatever you want as an adult..its your body. Leave the kids alone. There is nowhere near a gold standard of care being established. Acting as though caution with children..who could not only be rendered infertile but lose the ability to orgasm entirely just from puberty blockers.. is somehow hatred is an utter inversion of reality. Compassion comes from the hippocratic oath..do no harm. There is ample evidence that so called ‘gender affirming’ care for children may be harmful in many if not most cases.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 14 2024 16:42 utc | 133

Can anyone please find me a single Marxist professor of economics or finance in ANY American university’s business school?
They don’t exist. And as with many things about western academia that’s NOT because someone like Michael Hudson wouldn’t have a lot of very important things to teach those students. But UMKC put him in the history department.
Last thing I’ll say on the actual topic: As a religious agnostic, bordering on atheist, to me the issue of transgender policy and children comes down to civil liberties. That is, the civil liberties of parents as guardians of the children in their households. When and if the state begins to force parents to entertain life-changing hormonal and surgical procedures, then I have a big problem with it. It may be happening in places, I don’t know, but not where I am nor where my relatives live. Again, when the state begins to interfere in the parent-child relationship in a manner associated with gender “choice” or “fluidity” I disapprove strongly. This includes usurping or overriding the parents’ role in approving of their childrens’ medical care and/or proactive counseling that leads children down that path with or without the knowledge of their parents.
And in closing, please remember: Teen horniness is not a crime!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 14 2024 16:42 utc | 134

Re: “The inability to distinguish facts from wishes.” Ten people at the same Board Meeting, even were they together reviewing the ‘objectively’ recorded Minutes, will often disagree on the meaning and import of what was said. Simply put, ‘facts’ are often a matter of opinion.
Meanwhile, the underlying issue here involves the leadership class, or ‘State’, dictating how people should think and feel; that is the Hidden Hand which must be more clearly acknowledged.
The current trans issue involves pushing the notion that children, even without parental consent, are entitled to mutilate and sterilize themselves; moreover this should be paid for by The State. The same with abortion: sending the issue back to the States meant that there is no longer a right for any woman to have an abortion for any reason paid for by The State.
The current trans movement is both pushing a right to surgeries and medicines, also the right for big-boned men with penises to compete with smaller-boned women because ‘identity’, and also the right for mentally ill male perverts to share bathrooms with young females whose innocence and beauty we should treasure and protect not expose to mental and physical harm.
All of these things involve, in the background, a new form of oppression: you will accept what we tell you to accept or you will be punished and ostracized. Totalitarianism. Extreme left and extreme right lead there. Both are deeply flawed perspectives. Time to move past them!

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 14 2024 16:42 utc | 135

For South Park fans, I recommend: south park transgender episode.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 14 2024 16:44 utc | 136

hedlykarok | Mar 14 2024 16:27 utc | 122
Who paid for your niece/nephew‘s sex change and therapy and lcontinuing pharma ? All total musta come to close to $2 million big ones

Posted by: Exile | Mar 14 2024 16:44 utc | 137

Posted by: Honzo | Mar 14 2024 16:38 utc | 130
Extremely interesting and well thought out point. Something to digest. Thanks.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 14 2024 16:44 utc | 138

Speaking of distinguishing reality from fiction—the people mentioning trans people “dominating” women’s sports are just proving how much the “trans debate” is a completely fugazi media creation. There are over half a million NCAA student-athletes competing in the US. Out Sports, a pro-LGBT magazine, in an article highlighting trans athletes, could find all of *22* trans individuals competing. Claiming there’s a trans “takeover” of women’s sports—now that’s denying reality!
But hey—keeps the focus away from the Gaza genocide or the complete failure of the US’ plans for Ukraine, huh?
Ignore the media culture war. Treat those around you with kindness and respect. Live your life and let others live theirs.

Posted by: Gengar | Mar 14 2024 16:45 utc | 139

But the western male ego is so fragile and easily triggered, isn’t it?
Posted by: Trisha | Mar 14 2024 15:00 utc | 68

No disrespect but this is exhibit A of projection. Triggered, indeed. The very suggestion that gender dysphoria might be a mental illness that belongs in the DSM summons paryoxms of histrionic verbiage.
Class politics is indeed the only politics. I don’t give a shit how you want to dress or who you fuck or how, it’s the idea putting on a dress makes you a woman and you should have access to female sex protected spaces that is …insane, frankly.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 14 2024 16:46 utc | 140

And all paid for by your insurance
Posted by: Exile | Mar 14 2024 16:19 utc | 115
LOL. My insurance fought me on a fucking colonoscopy. And I have Blue Cross Blue Shield.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 14 2024 16:46 utc | 141

True and absolutely necessary to win a class war. The next revolutionary party will have to reject all divisive bourgeois idpol, which is designed precisely to prevent all required class unity.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 14 2024 15:50 utc | 96
Absolutely. It’s one of the reasons I’ve become a Revolutionary Confucianist over the years. Yes, I know that neo-Confucianism was a reactionary religion, but the underlying focus of family, the importance of the health of the social whole, the core attitudes toward transactional economics and the non-transactional nature of family life are elements that the West never clearly elucidated and has long since forgotten the organic understanding of that all pre-capitalist societies once had.
When the revolutionary opposition to capitalism grasps this core concept, it will finally be able to carve out a space for bringing together working people regardless of whatever bourgeois ideology they currently support.

Posted by: Honzo | Mar 14 2024 16:47 utc | 142

Mike Pompeo graduated from West Point in 1986, first in his class. Did you happen to catch Pompous shaking his rump with some IDF in Israel last month?
@Posted by: majoab | Mar 14 2024 16:41 utc | 132
Yes, I saw a photo of goblins dancing a Satanic joining.
Trump, if he physically survives, will be the next Prez.
I dread that the rebirth of Pompeo may be nigh.

Posted by: librul | Mar 14 2024 16:50 utc | 143

Posted by: librul | Mar 14 2024 16:17 utc | 113
General Douglas MacArthur must be rolling in his grave.
https://youtu.be/lafPwwmRvf0?si=CpeAsU8oJ-uW0O1h

Posted by: Morongobill | Mar 14 2024 16:51 utc | 144

XX = female , XY = male and the infinitesimal minority with defective X or Y chromosome are ideal candidate for gene therapy.
There are no differences between DOVID-19 and gender theories : both are lab leaks that shouldn’t have occurred and have been manipulated by bastards who cash on it.

Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 14 2024 16:52 utc | 145

Is someone thinking ahead?
Posted by: librul | Mar 14 2024 16:27 utc | 123
Highly unlikely, unless we’re talking “AI” and drone/robot warfare. It’s only a matter of time until The Terminator and SkyNet, at least for Western armies. Trans, queer, straight, macho, twinky, what have you…who the hell really wants to sign up for US/EU armed forces these days? Zero kids that I know. If they ever end up waging their big war for Eurasia, they’re going to need a lot of ‘automated’ help.
Hey, speaking of, I used to live in Austin and back in the day South by Southwest was a really good independent music festival. These days, apparently it’s turned into a recruiting vehicle and advertising opportunity for weapons mfg’s selling arms to Israel and 3LAs like the CIA and NSA. Many European artists are boycotting.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/03/09/wqsn-m09.html
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/sxsw-tried-silence-critics-bogus-trademark-and-copyright-claims-eff-fought-back

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 14 2024 16:52 utc | 146

“At Basel I founded the Jewish State. If I said this out loud today, l would be greeted by universal laughter. In five years perhaps, and certainly in fifty years, everyone will perceive it.”
(Theodor Herzl, 3 September 1897)
shame on you you may say shame on you what does that have to do with trans?
everything my dear
everything
for we control all

Posted by: todd | Mar 14 2024 16:56 utc | 147

You need to google “Frankfurt School” and you will see a whole slew of openly Marxist (no problem there) and mostly Jewish (a problem ?) individuals hell-bent on changing German society, with sexual politics as the core of their attempt to dismantle this authoritarian culture. (((Horkheimer, Marcuse,))) Adorno (Jewish father), etc.
The founder was Grygory Lukacs, the right hand man of Bella Cohen during the Hungarian Revolution. After the Rumanians ended that bolshevik slaughter, Lukacs fled to Germany. He was inspired by Gramsci that the ancient cultural elements of The West acted as an immune system against the beautiful marxist utopia.

Posted by: JackG | Mar 14 2024 16:57 utc | 148

LOL. My insurance fought me on a fucking colonoscopy.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 14 2024 16:46 utc | 141
Tom, I think that’s freudian slip or alternate wording for rape.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 14 2024 17:01 utc | 149

this is all stuff i’ve said here in the comments and elsewhere for many years. it’s not news. read your spengler and guenon and evola. all long dead but nothing ontological has changed since they were alive and writing. at the very least find the “apocalypse culture” anthologies and read the pieces that apply to these issues (both are over 20 years old but in many cases have aged well).
as for “can you be on the left” about the trans thing (which i was already sick of and seems even more trite during an actual genocide as opposed to the imaginary one TRAs always whine about) i’ve mentioned that as well. ALL the legit criticism on this issue comes from the left and feminists. the jordan peterson incels and matt walsh scum right jesus freaks just latch on like the blood sucking parasites they are.

Posted by: bornhard | Mar 14 2024 17:04 utc | 150

@JackG#148
Total fu€king rubbish.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 14 2024 17:04 utc | 151

LOL. My insurance fought me on a fucking colonoscopy.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 14 2024 16:46 utc | 141
______
BCBS paid for my colonoscopy, but withdrew its promise to cover the anesthesia — after the fact of course. Took months to appeal that successfully.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 14 2024 17:05 utc | 152

Is b done with “Palestine Only” threads?
A watched pot never boils.

Posted by: librul | Mar 14 2024 17:09 utc | 153

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 14 2024 17:05 utc
Yup. Anaestasiologist was a contractor and a separate (massive) bill.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 14 2024 17:12 utc | 154

Tom, I think that’s freudian slip or alternate wording for rape.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 14 2024 17:01 utc | 149
The “rape” came in the mail about 3 weeks after the procedure.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 14 2024 17:16 utc | 155

To then find myself on the same side of an issue as some staunch conservatives, and getting attacked for it, is mildly disturbing.
Is it really impossible to be reality based and on the left side of things?

Posted by b on March 14, 2024 at 11:24 UTC | Permalink
Whatever the answer, I’m sticking to the side of reality-based. And thank you for your boldness and courage in your posting, as I’m sure you knew it would be incendiary.
Few of the commenters have actually engaged with fundamental problem stated by Emmanuel Todd, which is this:
“Trans ideology is…one of the flags of this nihilism that now defines the West, this drive to destroy not just things and people but reality.”
Instead they mostly go off onto the issue of transgender identity, which is of course a highly emotional and tendentious issue.
And that emotional baggage is what makes transgender ideology such a powerful tool for de-centering grounded reality in favor of unhinged fantasy. Transgenderism is not the issue; it’s merely a distracting sideshow to keep you from noticing that your own humanity is being stolen from you. Just as a talented magician draws your attention to one hand while the other hand is spinning the trick.
You are being made into a fabrication whose form is a caprice of the ruling social faction. It has nothing to do with liberation, but everything to do with obliteration.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Mar 14 2024 17:16 utc | 156

You probably don’t think you’re a Dem, but they have you ideologically. Work on that, Ewe.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus
is it even worth responding to such nonsense?
The day you can give me good advice wont be coming.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Mar 14 2024 17:17 utc | 157

hedlykarok @122: ”… fit for elimination…”
See, that’s what I’m talking about. You are a sick freak, and it is you and your “supportive family” who are doing the elimination. You eliminated your niece. You destroyed her. You’re a monster.
It is tragic, but you are the one suffering from inability to “adult”, as Millennials say, and it is no surprise children near you suffer the same problem. These illnesses occur in clusters. LGBTQWERTY++ “parents” have vastly higher incidence of children with “gender dysphoria”.
Fact is, transgender children are not natural occurrences. They are manufactured by fucked up adults. Who is surprised when a small child in the care of a mentally disturbed woman who hates men grows up loathing himself and nurturing fantasies that he is a girl? The source of this damage is always so obvious.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 14 2024 17:18 utc | 158

I wonder why ‘western’ countries have such hissy fits about this kind of thing when, as mentioned earlier, First Peoples have accepted and loved two-spirit as completely natural amongst them. And the Kathoey have been in Thailand since the 14th century as entirely common.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Mar 14 2024 17:22 utc | 159

“Is it really impossible to be reality based and on the left side of things?”
That’s the wrong question. The one described is not “the left side of things”. Certain sections of the left, egged on and corrupted by a deceptively successful economic-liberal mainstream, have taken a wrong turn. They have completely lost sight of society as a whole and turned their full attention to individual identity issues. As a result, their actual political essence became increasingly diluted and eventually disappeared altogether. It is not ‘left-wing’ to exclusivly be an advocate for the sensitivities of ever smaller sections of society, to which the term ‘minority’ lends a relevance that they do not deserve – it is a conceptual hypertrophy that ultimately ends with labelling a single individual as a minority – and in doing so to suddenly drop society as a whole, and with it the question of justice. Basically, this means agreeing with Thatcher, who boldly claimed that there is no such thing as society. From which one would have to draw the razor-sharp conclusion that there is no city either, just a collection of properties. (Although in the age of neoliberalism, some cities look exactly like that.)
Wokeness, LGBTxxx is now a set of dogmas reminiscent of the set of rules followed, for exemple by orthodox Jews. They are only very, very loosely connected to the real world. In fact, it is possible to impose and create new elements of reality, but not a complete reality. This technocratic delusion takes its revenge, for example, in the form of climate change, i.e. a significant deterioration in the basis of human life. The biological foundations are not fungible; nothing more than a precarious illusory world can result from the attempt to disprove this.

Posted by: Pnyx | Mar 14 2024 17:22 utc | 160

In the 1930s, the world Communist movement tended to equate homosexuality with fascism, and Ernst Roehm and his followers being killed by Hitler was thought to illustrate this. An illegal Communist leaflet in Germany was distributed in 1934, calling the Night of the Long Knives “the beginning of the end for the Nancy Boy government”. A British Communist chant at the time was “Hitler and Mosley, what are they for? Thuggery, buggery, hunger and war!”

Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 14 2024 17:23 utc | 161

Gruff, take some luudes and go back to the rubber room.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Mar 14 2024 17:23 utc | 162

Only one person has mentioned the WPATH files – it is worth mentioning again as it’s the equivalent for the Twitter files for this subject. Basically those supposedly advocating for transgenderism have been completely ignoring strong evidence to harms of some treatment.
https://public.substack.com/p/the-wpath-files

Posted by: Matthew | Mar 14 2024 17:24 utc | 163

US law allows minors to decide mutilate their bodies for life, but they cant buy beer. Obviously its true, that whom the Gods would destroy they first make mad. And if so those Gods must really have it out for Americans…

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Mar 14 2024 17:26 utc | 164

Has it been mentioned yet?
Environmental pollution – how much does that account for hormonal confusion?

Posted by: librul | Mar 14 2024 17:26 utc | 165

“But the western male ego is so fragile and easily triggered, isn’t it?”
Posted by: Trisha | Mar 14 2024 15:00 utc | 68
Amongst the online leftish spaces, I find it’s typically old white men who are most supportive of maximalist transgender positions while the women (especially lesbians) are uncomfortable or openly opposed to it because they see trans”women” colonizing their spaces and identities. Just as it’s easy for a Western white to support Israel’s “right to exist”, it’s easy to be progressive and trans advocating when it’s somebody else’s identity and safe spaces that’s being sacrificed for the great project of being on so progressive on trans.

Posted by: Em | Mar 14 2024 17:28 utc | 166

b, one spelling mistake : should can freely chose

Posted by: Stephane | Mar 14 2024 17:31 utc | 167

“They deem him their worst enemy, who tells them the truth”
Plato, The Republic, c. 380 BC

Posted by: librul | Mar 14 2024 17:33 utc | 168

Hedly,
Who should pay for transgender surgery, therapy, drugs, etc ?

Posted by: Exile | Mar 14 2024 17:33 utc | 169

For some 10+ years I kept saying, the day the CIA doesn’t need any longer the gay legion, they’ll dump them and all gay folk will be left naked in front of their own societies. The Kabul run away should give any gay person some food for thought.

Posted by: Stephane | Mar 14 2024 17:34 utc | 170

Environmental pollution – how much does that account for hormonal confusion?
Posted by: librul | Mar 14 2024 17:26 utc | 165
I’m glad someone mentioned it. Yes environmental and food/water-borne pollution like micro/nano plastics, PFAS, and other hormone/endocrine disruptors.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 14 2024 17:34 utc | 171

hedlykarok @162
You’re the infantile freak talking about people being “eliminated” when in fact it is deranged people like yourself who are doing the eliminating. The Russians are correct to keep people like you away from children.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 14 2024 17:36 utc | 172

I wonder why ‘western’ countries have such hissy fits about this kind of thing when, as mentioned earlier, First Peoples have accepted and loved two-spirit as completely natural amongst them. And the Kathoey have been in Thailand since the 14th century as entirely common.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Mar 14 2024 17:22 utc | 159
There’s a difference between accepting transpeople for what they are and giving them a space to live a dignified and safe life, and going whole hog on colonizing and destroying the female identity and prescribing life altering medical interventions to any kid going through an identity questioning phase.
For the rest of the world, there’s also the problem that their opposition to Western trans ideology is used as excuses to destroy their society via NGOs, sanctions, and open warfare. How many times right after October 7 did the Zionists keep saying how Israel was so pro-LGBTQ+ whole the “Arabs”(who in fact had the highest literacy and educational attainment level in the world, who produces numerous world class women academics, lawyers, and doctors) were backwards…

Posted by: Em | Mar 14 2024 17:42 utc | 173

hedlykarok | Mar 14 2024 17:22 utc
Re First Nations and other indigenous communities and their version of trans … in societies with very rigid gender roles like the ones you mention and as western societies also used to be until rather recently, there have always been men and women who were not comfortable in the roles society assigned to their sex. These few people therefore acted in the role they were more comfortable living.
The thing is though in our modern society, there is absolutely no need for this workaround: women can be and are doctors and pilots and soldiers etc. and men can be and are nurses and homemakers and teachers etc. and you can love whomever you want to love. There is no need or justification for trans anything in this society any more … just be who you want to be and love yourself as you are, not as some made-up stereotype of a figure modern science can modify you into!

Posted by: Caliman | Mar 14 2024 17:42 utc | 174

Doing this extreme, elective surgery on a minor is crazy. Minors don’t sign contracts because the law reasons they’re too immature to understand contracts.
A nose job is one thing. They don’t jack you up with hormones for life for a nose job.
Then there’s the profit incentive of care givers who have a new victim who will need regular care and meds forever.
Females becoming males, I don’t see them doing man things like construction work or mechanics.
Males becoming female, I don’t see them in nurturing roles or typical female behavior.
Just to mention the higher suicide rates for trans.

Posted by: Rabbit | Mar 14 2024 17:44 utc | 175

@JackG #148
A little Education if you are interested …
This is a brief introduction to some of the leaders of Frankfurt School
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Theodor-Wiesengrund-Adorno
forget the WikiPee entry – hatchet job – ends with a ref to the Cato Institute – ’nuff said
More in depth here ….
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/critical-theory/
Come back to me in a couple of years when you might have figured some of it out. AttaBoy Jack!

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 14 2024 17:46 utc | 176

They call it progressive because it’s not progress.

Posted by: Passerby | Mar 14 2024 17:47 utc | 177

Note: a sex change operation from
Soup-to-nuts is way over $1 million plus decades of very VERY expensive drugs and therapy.
It’s a lucrative business.
And all paid for by your insurance
Posted by: Exile | Mar 14 2024 16:19 utc | 115

They’re about to roll out pharma care as part of our medicare program in Canada. Gender reassignment, hormone therapy, ADHD medication, mood disorder medication perscriptions are going to go through the roof once they don’t have to pay for it out of pocket.
My wife who is a retired health care professional just took a part time gig as a ‘wellness councillor’ at an art college in January. In the 1990’s she had worked as a psychiatric liason at a major teaching hospital so she’s seen everything. The population she administered to included prisoners in custody, suicide cases, severe eating disorders, hysterical blindness … you name it … the worst in society.
She is flabbergasted at the number of students she is seeing who are on a cocktail of mood altering drugs and hormones. The prevalence is far above what you would reasonably predict for that cohort. She describes them as not having skin … just raw exposed nerves … the slightest discomfort is intolerable to them. We’re talking suicide attempts over bad marks … and that’s with all the prescription drugs that are supposed to make them “normal”
We in the west appear to be racing headlong into a brick wall.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 14 2024 17:48 utc | 178

Yeah, there’s only one place I’m living, man… I’m going into Trancentral where I can You understand, liberate and free the psyche You know, banish my mind and my body ‘Cause this way I don’t know whether I’m in the future or the present… Is this the beginning or the ending? Although I know that things are incidental The landscape may have to be accidental I’m still in a carriage On the fast train, of the last train, to Trancentral Over and out
in the 1930s many actress of hollywoodland did photo shoot for gillette mens razor classic pose chin full of soap foam doing a wet shave shuffle
an inside joke a revelation of the method like the id magazine queen victoria wink talking of victoria secrets
it has been a trans world for a long time sports fans
all aboard the last train to trans central ding ding

Posted by: todd | Mar 14 2024 17:49 utc | 179

“Transgender” is part of an ongoing attack on reality. This is the central technique of the power brokers today, in order to stay in power. When people become confused about reality, anything can happen. And it does.
“Climate change”, “Covid”, “democratic Ukraine”, “Israel has the right to defend itself”, “fake Moon landings”, etc. It goes on and on.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2024 17:53 utc | 180

I’ve known several transsexuals. Some seemed remarkably well-adjusted; others were angry, bitter types. In the latter case I’m not terribly inclined to attribute their maladjustment to their transsexuality per se; it could just be that after growing up being beaten up on the playground, being barely tolerated by family (if not rejected outright), and so forth, one grows up angry and bitter. Similarly, is the higher rate of suicide among transsexuals caused by the transsexuality, or by the opprobrium and rejection the transsexual experiences? I myself strongly suspect the latter.
Not being a transsexual myself or a medical/psychological professional, I’m in no hurry to make ex cathedra pronouncements on the matter. But this is more or less where I am right now:
1. If gender dysphorial can be cured by sex reassignment, then what’s the problem? Yeah, it costs money and insurance might actually pay for it. Outrage! One million dollars! But of course these are grotesquely inflated American “health care” costs, and there’s no shortage of medical procedures, especially experimental ones, with stratospheric costs. If the result of gender dysphoria treatment is a happier, more productive member of society, I won’t stand in the way.
2. That much said, I think the bar needs to be set high when it comes to those who haven’t yet reached majority. Beyond obvious cases of chromosomal variation from the XX-XY norm, hermaphrodism, and so forth, I’m sure there are kids who more or less from birth identify with the sex opposite from their genitalia – just as there are people who are more or less “born gay” – as opposed to kids who explore identification with the opposite sex as a curiosity or a “passing phase.” In an ideal world, there would be a consensus among the child, the parents, and medical professionals before prescribing drugs or carrying out reassignment surgery. Quite frankly, I’m uncomfortable with carrying out hormonal therapy and reassignment surgery on minors solely on the basis of the child’s gender dysphoria, but I’ll also be the first to admit that I lack the knowledge and background (let alone the familiarity with an individual case) to make that judgment for others.
3. There will always be people who will be hurt, simply because even our best understanding is still primitive, and because real life often presents irreconcilable conflicts of interest. There are unsympathetic and unloving parents; there are medical professionals who for whatever reason make wrong judgments. I’m not saying this to be flippant, but to suggest that the matter be approached with sympathy and more than a little humility. It is not the case that the right (or even the best) decisions will always be made.
4. In some ways I’m pretty conservative. Yeah, if you’ve developed musculature as a man, or even still have male genitalia, you shouldn’t be competing against born-women; that’s unfair to the born-women, and there are more tragic things in life than being denied the opportunity to participate in competitive sports. Similarly, I don’t think you become a woman just because you think you are or ought to be a woman – that’s why we have categories like “nonbinary,” isn’t it?
That much said, I admit that my knowledge is less than complete and would like to be open to changing my mind as better knowledge presents itself.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 14 2024 17:53 utc | 181

While labels aren’t entirely accurate, “trans ideology” as it plays out in the western mainstream culture is largely an upper middle class concern, a boutique virtue signalling operation. It is not borne of “progressivism.”
I recall a panel discussion on the topic which featured several earnest speakers debating and labelling, but with the participant actually from the community of interest explaining that she and her colleagues were in fact “highly experimental” persons whose concerns and interests were so far removed from the mainstream culture that the debate as was playing out was essentially irrelevant to their shared experiences – i.e. they didn’t care what other people thought.
Or recall the mild surprise ten or fifteen years ago when it appeared all the LBTGQ community actually wanted was permission to get married and join the military. Or when San Francisco’s gay pride parade BOD cancelled Chelsea Manning from the event under pressure from its corporate sponsors.
That the mainstream liberal embrace of LBGTQ poses no threat to the core Establishment, and remains subservient to such, was recently exemplified by the treatment of the President of Harvard University – black, female, and queer – quick to be thrown under the bus when a core issue, such as in this case defence of Israel, required a sacrificial offering to firmly assert what is of true importance.

Posted by: jayc | Mar 14 2024 17:54 utc | 182

Posted by: Orgel | Mar 14 2024 16:22 utc | 117
There is NOT A SINGLE sane person under 40 left in left wing parties. NOT A SINGLE ONE. By now, you can’t stop it anymore except for going to the so called “far right”.
The attitude, that you cant be on the same side with a conservative, that a conservative can’t be right, and that everybody who is critisizing anything that proclaims to be “left” brought us here.
There is something I wanna tell all who call themselves “old leftists”. YOU BROUGHT THIS STUPIDITY ABOUT BECAUSE YOU JUST WOULD NOT LISTEN! Now you are complaining because you and the people you are siding with (all sane people who are left on this planet) are called “fascists” by the people you shielded from all criticism for decades?

Good point, well made, thanks.
Far too many leftists hurl the ‘fascist’ label – happens here all the time. It’s damaging because it shuts down further conversation by labelling someone a Spawn of Hell – which is now what the word ‘fascist’ implies, largely thanks to the dominance of Holocaustianity. Moreover, nobody can offer reasoned criticism about Issue X or Y or Leftism in general, without being met with groupthink shrieks of ‘fascism’ and fingers directing them to banishment in Social Hell.
My criticism of most leftists for example, is principally that nearly all of them are atheist materialists blind to the dead ends to which such mindsets inevitably lead regardless of any issues or policies involved. They adamantly refuse to even consider such foundational elements of human nature or politics needed for us to lead productive, meaningful, uplifted human lives from cradle to grave.
The leftist approach espouses justice and equity and so forth but usually at the expense of loyalty and affection to anything traditional and timeless, essentially waging war against the sacred, which they openly scorn, the perception of which is the pinnacle of human experiencing. Thus they work to compel us and our children to living Hell whilst refusing every step of the way to acknowledge that it is of their own making, for example blaming ‘fascists’, ‘imperialists’ and ‘White Russians’ for the Red Terror and such.
(Of course one could make similar criticisms of many right-leaning mindsets , but that would be a different post.)

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 14 2024 17:54 utc | 183

“We have concluded that there is not enough evidence to support the safety or clinical effectiveness of (puberty suppressing hormones) to make the treatment routinely available at this time,” the publication by NHS England stated.
Because it’s obvious? What about COVID vaccines?

Posted by: Wilbur | Mar 14 2024 17:55 utc | 184

1. ‘Marxism’ in the sense that it is the application of an epistemology of examining as much as possible all the components of a phenomena, assessing how these parts and processes are interacting, and trying to judge what new phenomena may emerge over time from these intersecting processes. ‘Marxism’ is also called ‘dialectical materialism’ because it is increasingly difficult to make judgements on what may emerge from the interactions of more than two phenomena. Like every other epistemology ‘Marxism’ is an imperfect but useful tool for understanding the world. In this sense I disagree with those on this thread who have deemed ‘Marxism’ not relevant to the current LGBTQ phenomena.
2. Some commentators here seemed not to have understood the chart that proflutz linked to. This chart illustrated some of the more common of the some thousand (1000!) genetic errors known to occur on human x and Y chromosomes. How these differences affect the development of the sexuality of the people who have them is not well understood. Are there psychological experiences that cause some peoples’ consciousness to develop towards identifying as the ‘wrong’ sex.? Then there are the developmental errors, due perhaps to fetal exposure to hormone-mimicing chemicals. Sometimes the genitals at birth are so deformed that they resemble more the wrong sex, and are, or at least in the past, were, surgically altered at birth. Some of the earliest adult trans surgeries were on people who had been thusly misgendered at birth, and raised as the sex opposite their genetic sex.
3. That said, I agree with those seeing the LBGTQT issue being used as a divisive weapon against more progressive movements and individuals. As has been said here the actual number of trans identifying individuals is very low—less than 1/10 of one percent. It is unlikely that more than one trans identifying teen can be found at any high school at the same time. In contrast LGB identifying teens number 7% or so, according to surveys.
4. Gender identity for some seems to be fluid. I have known several individuals who lived as confirmed L or G for a decade, and then decided they weren’t after finding partners of the conventual gender.
5. Let’s treat people as people and work with all willing to work to improve the world’s pressing problems.

Posted by: mjh | Mar 14 2024 17:56 utc | 185

Posted by: hedlykarok | Mar 14 2024 16:05 utc | 105

ALL animals exhibit homosexual as well as hetero and bisexual behaviours, rituals and/or tendencies, most pronounced being among our closest relatives – the Bonobo.

Bonobos are well known pedophiliacs as well (you want to normalize that?) but they do that for a peaceful co-existence, not for sex of course, and most non-human animals that show homosexual behavior live in zoos. Homosexuality in natural habitats is extremely rare but woke biologists are classifying grooming between males as homosexuality when it is simply reciprocal skin parasite removal. Also females birds that rise chicks together are classified as lesbian while in fact they leave the nest and have sex with males to reproduce, of course, same as Japanese macaques, these “lesbian” animals are just good girlfriends that seek a male when they are horny.
Fact is, homosexuality is un-natural, obviously, and a growing obstacle to rejuvenate our European populations.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 14 2024 18:03 utc | 186

Transgender feelings are in your head.
You believe that nature has made a mistake and put you into the wrong body? Really? REALLY????? Oh good – we can help.
This, unfortunately is the western way – we know best, nature is obviously wrong (not to mention downright dangerous!). Everything about western consumer culture is designed to alienate us from the reality of nature – we direct nature now.
Karl Rove approves this message.

Posted by: irish al | Mar 14 2024 18:04 utc | 187

Strange, when one considers that it’s that for what Ukrainians die for which is something even their sponsors admit.

Posted by: xblob | Mar 14 2024 18:08 utc | 188

The “common sense” that “a man is a man and a woman is a woman” in fact forms the basis for quite a substantial portion of the MALE population, b, to bully, assault (as I’ve been), discriminate against, and even murder trans individuals. It’s a FACT of life we in the trans community live with, EVERY DAY. Another fact, b, you might want to digest is that many native societies recognize and honor transgender individuals.
The really bad news for old white men upholding the patriarchy like you, b, is that many young people DON’T CARE one whit about so-called “common sense” and are happy to let folks be themselves. If it wasn’t for folks like yourself trying to force their “common sense” down our throats, everyone would be a lot happier.
But the western male ego is so fragile and easily triggered, isn’t it?

@Posted by: Trisha | Mar 14 2024 15:00 utc | 68
Everyone should be treated with respect.
It is sad that you were bullied. It is part of life, though, it only takes one jerk to ruin your day. And there are plenty of jerks out there. Be careful not to stereotype, though, or you will spread hate. Is this a common stereotype amongst your trans community?
As an older white guy I have been “bullied” (treated with aggression) by trans. Both times it was somewhat passive-aggressive.
The last time it happened I was standing in a check out line and this HUGE trans kept crowding me. I then nonchalantly planted my feet and lowered my elbows (hands on hip) such that if they tried it some more they would have to push their floating ribs into my pointy elbow. They knocked it off after they next felt the discomfort in their ribs. Their alternative would have been to drop the passive in their aggression.
The other incident was very similar. That time I was not in a check-out line and simply walked away.
Is this a common stereotype amongst your trans community?
And do you support it? Do you promulgate it?

Posted by: librul | Mar 14 2024 18:08 utc | 189

For some 10+ years I kept saying, the day the CIA doesn’t need any longer the gay legion, they’ll dump them and all gay folk will be left naked in front of their own societies. The Kabul run away should give any gay person some food for thought.
Posted by: Stephane | Mar 14 2024 17:34 utc | 170
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Not entirely coincidentally, every time there’s a major Dim defeat at the polls, Dims start debating which of their constituencies to throw under the bus. Strangely, the DINOs are sleays held harmless.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 14 2024 18:10 utc | 190

When I was a child we were told that the evil muslims in Africa were mutilating little girls’ genitals and thus this was a reason to send in the military to intervene.
In the West we now call that “medicine”, for children as young as three years old. Actual lunacy folks.
The leaders of the West are satanic and the people have no voice or representation. The “elite” is anathema to “democracy” and actually hate their own people (of course, many of those elite are a foreign ethnic group with thousands of years of hatred and beefs). It is accelerating faster and faster. The ROW is realizing how suicidal this is. Good. Hopefully they can help the people of the West finally free themselves from their satanic masters.

Posted by: Johnny | Mar 14 2024 18:10 utc | 191

hedlykarok @162
You’re the infantile freak…
Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 14 2024 17:36 utc | 172
No, he is not. He just doesnt share the views of the prior generation on the subject, and neither does my son, who is very intelligent.
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Now hedlykarok, can you provide a reasoned arguement on the subject without dismissing us as Luddites, as you do so often on the poltical arena? There have been very thoughtful responses to this topic which arent consistent with the views of your generation. I asked my son to tell me one thing he agrees with from the anti-trans side for lack of a better term, and he could not name one. I responded what about the fact that men dont actually have vaginas, and he dismissed that as such a base arguement. I assume you are younger since I dont see your thinking far more frequently in the 20 30 somethings.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Mar 14 2024 18:10 utc | 192

Posted by: AJ | Mar 14 2024 15:58 utc | 102
Danke, AJ, and Danke too to Simon for liking my Executive Summary of the Russo-Ukraine war in the March 12 French defense report thread.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 14 2024 18:11 utc | 193

This form of extremism not only harms trans people globally, but it harms them locally. A more moderate approach would have helped trans people.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Mar 14 2024 15:54 utc | 100
Help trans people accomplish what?
Here, the UK Crown in Parliament and government evidently are blind to “extremist” and “terrorist” proclivities exercised by state actors for generations at home and abroad. What else does “inclusion” offer beside guarantees to molest enemies of “liberal democracy”? Certainly not a pension or equal pay.
euractiv reports

The new definition states that extremism “is the promotion or advancement of an ideology based on violence, hatred, or intolerance”, that aims to destroy fundamental rights and freedoms; or undermine or replace the UK’s liberal parliamentary democracy; or intentionally create an environment for others to achieve those results.

purportedly by contrast to ye olde definition, Prevent Strategy, which is a 116-page pdf including cover and hagiography (“context”).
Let us note with interest that the New definition of extremism (2024), proposed by the Department of Levelling Up, Housing and Communities, is missing the imprimatur of either parliamentary debate or legislation.

Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 14 2024 18:12 utc | 194

Well, t seems this particular topic has encouraged folks I’ve not noticed posting on Ukraine or Gaza to come out of the woodwork – I’m one of them, usually being a lurker who posts very rarely.
So, first off the bat, I’m looking forward to Bevin giving us his insight into this highly divisive topic, i.e., transgenderism.
In the meantime, and for all those instructing us there are four, or is it five sexes as far as homo sapiens are concerned, and that it is possible to change sex, which is scientifically impossible to-date, could said evangelists explain how it is possible to change ones DNA either from XX to XY or XY to XX when the Y chromosome was only totally unraveled last year by scientists and its already opening up many questions?
Further, could the trans evangelists please explain the rather large regional differences in infants, pre-teens and teens presenting with body dysphoria/gender dysphoria in South East Asia, compared to Western counterparts, i.e., I’m resident in the People’s Republic of China and the exponential rise in 3-19 year olds suffering from being born in the wrong body is significantly lower or virtually unknown, this despite the fact, in the HKSAR at least, many of our under 26 year olds from the most wealthy families have been exposed to this gender stuff, and still figures for those claiming to be Trans are way, way below those in the West, i.e., in Hong Kong we are talking less than 1,000, that’s in a population of seven million – we also only have one specialist clinic, the same applies to Japan.
One could go on and on with the transgenderism cult and propaganda issues to support crazy ideas – although, and let us all be honest, some folks do suffer from extreme anxiety about their bodies.
Still, let us all look at what supposedly is the Gold Standard in clinical care for those with issues when it comes to gender and their bodies, namely WPATH SOC8, which was issued in 2022 – here’s a copy of the Consultation document that was issued in late 2021, it contained many references to age and actually a full chapter on ethics, this being dropped in the final version – I suggest folks knock themselves out by reading this document and then, if time allows looking at the research papers cited in this document. So, here’s the link: https://www.docdroid.net/bJLGHdZ/wpath-soc8-draft-for-public-comment-no-watermarks-pdf
And, for all those wishing to push the ‘suicide meme’, afraid to say, latest data driven research from Finland, and inline with other recently published research, does not uphold claims one finds on Mermaids UK website, or Stonewall UK website. A fact underscored by suicide data from Japan. the HKSAR and South Korea, which, given the lack of clinics focusing on Gender, one would expect suicide rates far above those given in the West: https://mentalhealth.bmj.com/content/27/1/e300940

Posted by: Chris Rogers | Mar 14 2024 18:16 utc | 195

“I see myself, just like Matt Taibbi seems to see himself, as a progressive striving for a society based on some form of socialism and justice.”
As long as “socialism” is in the equation, good luck to you. Too much power in too few hands. You’ll never find your immortal gaggle of benevolent dictators/bureaucrats who know what’s best for everyone. Not part of reality.
As for “justice,” good luck defining that.

Posted by: Robert Italia | Mar 14 2024 18:17 utc | 196

Posted by: Orgel | Mar 14 2024 16:22 utc | 117
There is NOT A SINGLE sane person under 40 left in left wing parties. NOT A SINGLE ONE.
I assume you’re talking about a specific country, but no matter really. Have you thought about the situation from the other perspective? Namely that the capitalist powers that be have so successfully fractured the framework from within which left-leaning parties might be formed, and precisely by using the consolidated corporate and state media/social media to hammer the identarian issues?
Young folks are by nature pretty “justice” minded, so if they can be distracted from the bigger societal justice issues (unions, working class solidarity, publicly owned commons, single payer healthcare, affordable secondary education, regulation of monopolies, regulation of polluters, anti-imperialism, etc.) with piecemeal identarian “social justice” issues promoted with equal ferocity by the PMC liberal media and the neoliberal government and conservative political parties and right-leaning conservative media, then the goals of establishment finance-rentier-imperialist Capital are served. And it’s always something “new”; one side is super ambitious in pushing rapid social acceptance and the other side is equally angry, outraged and concerned that things are moving too fast – but almost always the real people affected are a small minority, way out of proportion to the tone, volume and amount of attention being put on the respective issue.
Other than a totalitarian police state with a Ministry of Thought, I can’t think of a better way for the Capitalist elites to keep the rabble too busy to challenge the true status quo.
Or was that kind of what you were saying?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 14 2024 18:21 utc | 197

Having read much of this thread can’t help thinking, Russia you better win.

Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 14 2024 18:24 utc | 198

To everyone before me who said this has ZERO to do with Marx, I can only completely agree.
What people call the left is categorically not the left but a hijacked ‘revolution in the head’. What we are seeing here is a kind of limit-case “only-in America” libertarianism, the freedom to act without restraint or reality. Let that be proclaimed from the walls!
Now, am I going to explain why this has nothing to do with Marx? No: just read him, all of him. The explanation will veritably leap off every page. I will let other comrades here with more energy dive deeper.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 14 2024 18:26 utc | 199

“Posted by: hedlykarok | Mar 14 2024 16:27 utc | 122”
Sorry to hear that your niece is such a gullible moron that she could be tricked into thinking there was something wrong with being female. You have every right to be angry at the bastards who did that to her – unless you’re one of them, which could be, from the other things you’ve said.

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 14 2024 18:27 utc | 200