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March 31, 2024
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2024-093

Last weeks posts on Moon of Alabama:

Empire:


Other issues:

China:

Lebanon:

Woke-ism:

Use as open (not related to Ukraine or Palestine) thread …

Comments

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 2 2024 12:10 utc | 162
My friend Persiflo, I was not at all dismissing you, far from it… sorry if it came across as passive aggression… all of that is really interesting in a mental way… I think that Turing’s misunderstanding of Wittgenstein is really significant for example, on a mental level… I could graniloquently diagnose that as the ‘root cause’ of our ‘civiizational disease’ and expel it forth like a Zizek-fart or something. but really I’m sick of all that mental masturbation… I seem to have ‘graduated’ from physical masturbation to mental masturbation to (now) spiritual masturbation. I need to find something beyond all this masturbation, I think.
Do you believe in the devil and that what Netanyahu really needs is an exorcist?

Posted by: Dumbo | Apr 3 2024 21:35 utc | 201

“Declan Hayes of Strategic-Culture sees War in the East due to regional resistance to Chinese bullying
Posted by: scorpion | Mar 31 2024 13:07 utc | Posted by: scorpion | Mar 31 2024 13:07 utc | 1”
Didn’t the US slaughter millions of peopls in SE Asia a few decades ago? I took part, in a minor way, in 1972. Doesn’t that count as serious bullying? Beyond some buoder disputes with Beijing?
I have come to think that the millions the US killed in Vietnam et al. were each and every one ofthem human sacrifices to Satan and to US vanity, but that’s a personal opinion. In any case I think SE Asian countries would do well to avoid the embrace of Uncle Sam.

Posted by: lester | Apr 3 2024 23:03 utc | 202

lester | Apr 3 2024 23:03 utc | 202
You make good points. Actual incidents of Chinese “bullying” are few and far between but the Cold Warriors here, brought up on horror stories about Tibet and more recently Xinkiang cannot live without them.
All the bullying that I can recall has been carried out by the US or its agents- in Vietnam (where the war began again because the US refused to abide by the terms of the Peace Treaty signed in Geneva) Korea where China intervened to prevent US genocide, Indonesia, Malaya, East Timor, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar and, through the UK, Malaya and Kelantan.
Which helps explain why China is rapidly developing and prospering while the US is looking around for new fights to lose.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 3 2024 23:26 utc | 203

The question of evil. Yes, there is evil. But no – it is nothing personal. Before I’m giving my argument, however, let me paraphrase Oscar Wilde, on the topic of smoking: It is the perfect desire, because it leaves you unsatisfied. —
So, evil. How does it get at us? Get into our lives? Whence does it spring forth? (paraphrasing Georg Büchner)
It might be this thread, or another recent one, where james said he believes that being good, well-meaning, and attentive towards others is actually our default mode, yet not everyone even realizes this. I’m of this opinion, too.
The older persians had some interesting theology. With Zaratustra, and later Mani, the basic setting is not a monotheism, but a dualism. This brings the chance to deconflict the detrimental aspects of our Dasein, something which monotheism fails at rather consequentially. Leibniz analyzed the issue systematically, and ended up with an unresolved question, which he called the theodizee: how can God be all-seeing, all-powerful, and all-good, when there is evil in the world?
Across all the major teachings that I’m aware of, only one has a sensible take on the problem. Most all others, be they scientific, religious, or atheist in nature, explain things away, typically thus:
1 – Pain is real because it serves a higher purpose, which we do not know or understand.
2 – Pain motivates us to struggle for survival in nature/afterlife accomodation in paradise/etc.
Leibniz observes that it is not a solution to deny the reality of pain, btw. Indeed, pain is as real as Dasein itself. And this is one reason which necessitates to put forth a notion of God, at least in the way of an unanswered question. I like the comparison of this to the final (closure) brick when spanning an arch. If it’s missing, then there will be a god-shaped hole. Turned around the other way, asking if someone made the universe on purpose cannot be satisfyingly answered from the present lack of a coherent answer – because, what if this answer reaches us at a later time?
So we can neither answer, nor defy asking, who is God?
The notion that a creator-god is behind this, but his reasoning is per se beyond our understanding, solves nothing; it must remain intellectually dissatisfying. Also, why should God create little stupid beings to put them into a quagmire, just to see them fail and misbehave, so He can then proceed to torture us? That just doesn’t make sense. More generally, either God has made us as equals to him, or we are in serious trouble. – That’s why an exclusive notional entity like Jehova is indeed satanic. He’s jealous, violent and psychotic even towards his own chosen folk. Franz Kafka’s Der Prozess puts the problem forward in a very refined way: A man gets indicted, but never finds out why, until he dies at the hands of bureaucratic ‘justice’. I’m also reminded of my kharkovian friend Anna, who met Him in a Berlin bar once, and somehow managed to get His telephone number: 0800/π. Jehova demands his chosen people to follow, or else. This is reminiscent of a hostage situation.
But how real is he? People working together can apparently build something in their collective subconscious that’s been called an egregor, but google it yourselves please (h/t MoA).
The idea that evil itself has actual personal qualities I find unconvincing. Why? Because we are all made in God’s image, as argued above. We can only fail to realize this in full understanding, as if veiled by a misty haze, as goes a persian proverb.
That still leaves open the actual why?
Monotheism can’t incorporate it coherently, and denial doesn’t work either.
In typing out my comment – thanks for asking, btw – I’ve reached the point in the above linked opera where Wozzeck joins a festivity. “My soul stinks of brandy!” there they sing, – “Sad!” – “Immerzu! Evermore!” — soon, the bar’s live band will tune its instruments … then, The Fool shows up. Lustig! Lustig!, it will insist. I note the german language lacks my current favourite english word, silly.
Excuse me, I’m crying a bit.
I don’t know why.
But it helps to at least face up to the problem. Absent of God showing up to explain to us wtf has happened – which is why I think we should try to throw Him a party – I think we should accept selfhood as basically good, though obscured; and selfhood is, essentially, noetic. Being noetic in the way of being a person (Husserl: having ‘intentionales Bewusstsein’) is apparently intermingled with a distracting Otherness, though this otherness is not itself something noetic. Mani calls it the darkness principle, as opposed to light. And we are stuck in this somehow. Like a SOF team deep behind enemy lines that’s forgotten its mission. Like the grating edge of a drill that’s put into darkness to reach someplace, where our side can meet and overcome the evil HQ.
For the time being, it is essential that we do not forget about the Good in us. The Manichaeans introduced the handshake gesture, so we would remind ourselves as well as each other that we are on the same team, and in this mess together. They also advised to relax, be nice, and ride out, possibly enjoying it while it lasts. In the end, he says, things will be sorted out. God is missing us as much as we miss him, but the time of struggle will end. Perhaps when the universe has ended, entropy run its course, and the distancing obstruction into which we are firmly stirred presently gives way to release of our noetic, drop-like specks of soul. Or, perhaps, when we come to realize that all the obstruction is, in fact, fluid before our will, and we may dissolve into great unity, as one experential continuum, made up from the many.

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 4 2024 0:02 utc | 204

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 4 2024 0:02 utc | 204
persiflo, the way the Fathers of the Church explain it is that God’s essence, his being, is unknowable. And that is how I have always understood as well, that if you could explain him that would mean you have him in a box, so you are the greater one. What we, according to the Fathers, experience then, is his energy, and sometimes that is, or feels like goodness – often it does not. The ‘two-ness’ of Manicheaism isn’t present to Christianity because even with the cross and suffering there is always the Resurrection, which somehow includes all of humanity. Plenty of mystery there, but even the disciples didn’t have everything explained to them, as in the end of John’s Gospel Peter is asking what about this man? meaning John who is following along behind. And a lot of questions come up later which get answered incorrectly in the early history, so different clarifying understandings get sorted out, because of the incorrect answers. It’s always based on Scripture when that happens.
There’s a lovely hymn that comes partway through every liturgy – our priest translated the first lines differently (but accurately) from what we have in our books :-
Here we become, in mystery,
Icons, icons of the cherubim…

Now, how does such a thing happen? Well, it is a mystery, a beautiful and poetic one. We the singing people feel such a transformation is occurring because like the cherubim we are singing “Holy, holy, holy.” That is, if you like, a physical reality for the participants in the liturgy — not just the officials, but those standing in the main part of the church as well. And many different lovely versions of that hymn have been written. Sometimes only a choir will be singing, but it really should be everyone. An icon is an image. Which goes right back to Genesis. In the image of God made he them; male and female both.
So this is a different kind of understanding which goes along with Pascal’s “The heart has its reasons which reason alone does not understand.” It is understanding by participation in.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 4 2024 0:59 utc | 205

but the time of struggle will end…
Posted by: persiflo | Apr 4 2024 0:02 utc | 204
I was reading about, I think Hindu afterlife beliefs. Maybe Buddhist.
Anyways, you know the karma thing reincarnates, if bad, to lower lifeform, if uncompleted, human again, if good, you go to the realm of Gods, where all things are pleasure, and there is no pain or struggle…
Yet, you will still be suffering, from boredom and purposelessness. That is why you seek nirvana.
In modern society, a life of convenience has inverted expectations. Instead of Utopia, we are experiencing the Calhoun rat experiment. Love is gone, families are mostly gone or emotionally disconnected, and we are all in our own customized entertainment environment.
The Calhoun rat experiment essentially showed love comes from struggle.
How precious would life be if you were immortal? How precious would gold be if the beaches were gold dust?
Just imagine.. ..life without struggle. You could fly to mountaintops instead of climbing the trails, you would learn nothing, and could create art with thought. You would never know the feeling of accomplishment. You would have nothing to do, and your creations would have no audience, because others would simply effortlessly create what suited themselves.
Life without struggle is a pointless void.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 1:56 utc | 206

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 1:56 utc | 206
The Calhoun rat experiment essentially showed love comes from struggle.
How precious would life be if you were immortal? How precious would gold be if the beaches were gold dust?
Just imagine.. ..life without struggle. You could fly to mountaintops instead of climbing the trails, you would learn nothing, and could create art with thought. You would never know the feeling of accomplishment. You would have nothing to do, and your creations would have no audience, because others would simply effortlessly create what suited themselves.
Life without struggle is a pointless void.
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I’ve been looking into this spiritual stuff lately — and I’m not sure this is an accurate characterization, insofar as words can even capture it — certainly mine don’t seem up to it.
There are these ‘popular beliefs’… but my understanding is that attaining the Self (or Nirvana, which the Buddha allegedly attained after essentially *giving up* long, long years of physical and mental efforts in that direction — pretty intense ones) isn’t a free lunch. It does take immense love and effort (even over many ‘lifetimes’). But my rather limited understanding of it is that (in the Advaitic tradition, say) in the ‘Sahaja state’, ‘you’ are beyond all dualities, so there is neither subject nor object, mortality or immortality, struggle or no-struggle, good or bad, effort or no-effort — and so on. If one can’t mentally grasp it, it’s because the state cannot be conceived or mentally grasped/ imagined. It’s like (and here language fails) that this life is a dream, and when you wake up from this illusion, this life never happened — like the Netanyahu wholeheartedly hugging Palestinian kids and giving them ice-creams ‘I’ dreamt of last night. It has to be directly experienced. ‘I’ find it intriguing.

Posted by: dumbo | Apr 4 2024 2:12 utc | 207

Posted by: dumbo | Apr 4 2024 2:12 utc | 207
The interesting thing about nirvana, is if there is no life after death, you attain nirvana. More than likely, the entire philosophy, like all religions, is about making peace with death. Its just tha Buddhism makes non existence the ideal existence.
I also read about monks who ritually suicide through starvation. It is about letting go of all desires, including the desire for an afterlife, because wanting to attain good karma for a heavenly afterlife, or even to see past family members, does not actually accrue good karma, since it is at base for selfish reasons, and desire is the root of suffering.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 2:21 utc | 208

Also, again, I seem to remember the “pointless heaven for good kharma” thing was more Hinduvista -buddhist mix religion.
I got there reading about the multiple planes of hell, divas, burning money for those trapped in the “hells” of afterlife… …I dont think it was Buddhism per se, but cant remember exactly what religion it was

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 2:25 utc | 209

I see a lot of references as to what should Iran’s response be. Well, people really forget the last response — the one for gen. Suleimani on 8th Jan 2020— the one that mortally wounded (if not killed) the empire, by showing how utterly naked the empire’s forces in the region are.
Yeah, you know, the well choreographed/telegraphed one at Ein-al-Asad base, so as not kill anybody, where the soldiers either abandoned base and sat in their personnel carriers outside the base, or were cowering in their bunkers inside. The one with many “head-traumas.” [side note, to those with head trauma: I’m not trying to denigrate the illness, but this was empire’s way of saying: “it didn’t hurt.”]
Well, as they say, patience is a virtue. Just wait to see what’s cooking.
I still maintain: the empire is dead. These are the foul odors emanating from the dead corps.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 4 2024 2:58 utc | 210

In any case, with that sort of perspective, it becomes harder to demonize, which is another thing too many of us like to do with terms like ‘fascists, communists, nazis, capitalist, American, Russian, Chinese, Jew, Zionist, terrorist, degenerate, liberal, conservative, marxist, imperialist, white, black’ and so on ad infinitum. The mind seems to like channelling itself into ideologically-driven us-vs-them hatred groove, of course the prime source of damage to us all.
And yet we keep doing it.
Posted by: scorpion | Apr 3 2024 2:09 utc | 187
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Yet just 4 days ago….

1. There is something truly dangerous about organized Jewish thought and power politicking;
2. Most Westerners have now absorbed Jewish mentality and are, in all but name, Jews themselves.
Karlof1 is kindly explaining his Outlaw US Empire thinking, some of which is based on the USG collaborating with Nazis after WW II. I must confess that at first blush am surprised that this is where he started his definition and will at some point answer, hoping for a more nuanced explanation; but unless he acknowledges the Judaic serpent in the garden then I shall be quite disappointed for it is a very, very, very important issue.
Like materialism, which is related. But the challenge is: materialists are unable to understand
a) what materialism is and
b) that they are materialists and
c) that there are other ways of viewing reality.
So it is with Jews and Jewish mentality: most who have it, wittingly or not, cannot for the life of them see what it actually is nor that there are other ways of perceiving individual and collective realities.
Posted by: scorpion | Mar 29 2024 5:42 utc | 226

IOW

We dindunuthin,
Its the Jews fault
If you happen to see a white trash like Pompass, its cuz they’r bitten by the Jew bug,

Would the real scorpion please stand up ?
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Jeeze,
The pop and his entourage are owning the thread……again.

Posted by: denk | Apr 4 2024 4:03 utc | 211

Xinhuanet has a posting up with the title
Xi, Biden hold phone talks
the quote

BEIJING, April 2 (Xinhua) — Chinese President Xi Jinping spoke with U.S. President Joe Biden on the phone Tuesday at the request of the latter. The two presidents had a candid and in-depth exchange of views on China-U.S. relations and issues of mutual interest.

President Biden reiterated that the United States does not seek a new Cold War, its objective is not to change China’s system, its alliances are not targeted against China, the U.S. does not support “Taiwan independence,” and the U.S. does not seek conflict with China. The U.S. follows the one-China policy. It is in the interest of the world for China to succeed. The U.S. does not want to curtail China’s development, and does not seek “decoupling” from China. The U.S. will send Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and Secretary of State Antony Blinken to visit China shortly to strengthen dialogue and communication, avoid miscalculation and promote cooperation, so as to advance the relationship on a stable path and jointly respond to global challenges.

What sort of cooperation do barflies think Blinken and Yellen want to sell China?
I can posit that Yellen is trying to find some way to compromise the PBOC in favor of Western private finance. While Russia is the hard military Bad Cop in the China/Russia duo, China is the financial weapon Good Cop of the duo or you would see Blinken and Austin instead of Blinken and Yellen going to China.
It will be interesting to see how soon this meeting takes place and what comes of it.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 4 2024 6:05 utc | 212

Let me follow up my comment just above about China and finance with a quote from another Xinhuanet posting titled
China’s central bank to enhance implementation of monetary policies
the quote of interest

The PBOC also vowed to strengthen financial support for large-scale equipment upgrades and trade-in of consumer goods.

I have written here before about the China economic perspective that is designed to force recycling of consumer goods to forestall the garbage dumps covering America.
You can expect that level of attention to the complexities of economic interactions to be present at the Blinken/Yellen talk/visit…..they have been taught by Michael Hudson and no opium smoke is going to be blown up their ass this time around.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 4 2024 6:24 utc | 213

It will be interesting to see how soon this meeting takes place and what comes of it.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 4 2024 6:05 utc | 212
It defies belief, doesn’t it? Thanks for the quote anyway, pretty much proves beyond all doubt what Liars the US and Biden are all the time. And delusional they are to even try it on still today. It’s truly psychotic behavior imo.
I would love to be in the room while the Chinese leadership talked about that phone call and what was said – must have taken them hours to stop laughing out loud.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 4 2024 8:21 utc | 214

Posted by: denk | Apr 4 2024 4:03 utc | 211
Thanks I find what Scorpion writes sickening and morally degenerate. Disgusting is another word that fits. He’ll remain on my block list forever, but I’m glad to see you still call him out for his worst dishonest behaviours. cheers

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 4 2024 8:26 utc | 215

The Sirius Report
@thesiriusreport
9h
US military demonstrating once again it is a naked emperor:
The USS District of Columbia, a nuclear armed submarine, faces a 12 to 16-month delay with costs now estimated at $120bn and 20% over budget.
The guided-missile frigate USS Constellation faces a delay of up to three years and the USS Enterprise aircraft carrier also faces an 18 to 26-month delay.
In what is surely acutely embarrassing, supply chains are a primary problem as well as design issues and a lack of skilled workers.

Posted by: MD | Apr 4 2024 9:09 utc | 216

ACCORDING TO THE SIRIUS REPORT…
LOL
@thesiriusreport
Apr 2
Xi put Biden on hold during their talks today.
Probably couldn’t hold it together any longer so had to take a few minutes to compose himself before continuing with the “conversation”.

Posted by: MD | Apr 4 2024 9:18 utc | 217

US/ISIS-k is now going to free the Uighurs.
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1775811703977943440
Sooner the US ceases to exist the better.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 4 2024 10:01 utc | 218

Posted by: juliania | Apr 1 2024 20:19 utc | 143
But I tend to believe most people aren’t like them, and even that most of those you mention have extenuating circumstances without which they might have been better than they are. Even plants need water, sun and good soil to be healthy, their natural state. Peope do too.

Perhaps we can say that our primordial nature is ‘basically good’ but when we turn against that we engender non-good, aka evil. Evil, therefore, is going against our nature – which is why it nearly always involves lying, deception, including proactive seduction leading people along into their false path – the serpent in the Garden.
The evil leaders Donbass mentions are the progeny of many people over many years turning away from their basic nature engendering confused societies with increasing levels of deceit, crime, cruelty, lying and corruption. They are a product not the cause of all of that, so victims also.
All groups need leadership without which they factionalize and thus civilizationally cannot transmit virtuous mores from generation to generation. How such leadership classes are developed and continued multi-generationally, aye there’s the rub. Clearly this is no easy thing, for there is no nation or civilization today that has demonstrated steady success in this during the last few centuries, let alone millennia, neither leading polycentrist nations nor the Wicked (Ex) Hegemon. Rightly or wrongly Putin, for example, is even now presiding over the deaths in battle of about half a million of his fellow slavs.
So there is zero evidence we are more ahead of the curve this century than last. I believe that over-reliance on materialism and its technology is largely to blame since it justifies destroying (non-materialist) bedrock cultural principles and in so doing destroys too much. What do you think?
Related piece about Dawkins and the New Atheists: https://archive.ph/Bw5vJ

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 4 2024 10:19 utc | 219

Posted by: Dumbo | Apr 3 2024 21:35 utc | 201
I seem to have ‘graduated’ from physical masturbation to mental masturbation to (now) spiritual masturbation. I need to find something beyond all this masturbation, I think.

That is the purpose of ‘formless’ Buddhist meditation – just body, mind, breath – along with letting go of any ambition to attain spiritual fruition or lament of its lack. (And no Buddhism, per se, necessary of course, though initially helpful just to get off on the right foot. Witnessing rivers, listening to forests, observing the ocean, watching clouds and nice long walks in nature all work well too of course!)
Best of luck! You are clearly on The Path!

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 4 2024 10:25 utc | 220

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 2:21 utc | 208
Posted by: dumbo | Apr 4 2024 2:12 utc | 207
The interesting thing about nirvana, is if there is no life after death, you attain nirvana. More than likely, the entire philosophy, like all religions, is about making peace with death. Its just tha Buddhism makes non existence the ideal existence.
I also read about monks who ritually suicide through starvation. It is about letting go of all desires, including the desire for an afterlife, because wanting to attain good karma for a heavenly afterlife, or even to see past family members, does not actually accrue good karma, since it is at base for selfish reasons, and desire is the root of suffering.

One of the core Buddhist teachings advises against falling into either of the two ‘extremes’, namely eternalism or nihilism. Your description of nirvana, and the approach of those monks, sounds nihilistic. I mentioned elsewhere three main levels: ‘first there is an Ego, then there is no Ego, then there is.’ (Persiflo is championing the latter!)
So first there is universal suffering, due to attachment to selfishness of all sorts so renouncing such selfishness leads to pacification of anxiety-suffering (nirvana). The Hina-Yana or Straight/Narrow Path. Then there is tremendous generosity and virtue developed by serving others, giving away selfishness entirely, this is the Great Path (Maha-Yana). Then there is Self again when tantrics directly experience how wisdom and confusion, suffering and liberation arise together in the same moment. The seeming split between Experiencer and Experienced is no more, so Self becomes a vehicle of transcending self as self-and-other become equally part of the same experiential continuum (aka mandala).
So the experience of Self and/or Suffering varies depending upon one’s perspective and level of development. However, I think the Buddha (which means Awake One, or pure Gnosis) was profoundly wise to base all his Teachings on ‘The First Noble Truth’: The Truth of Suffering. This takes it out of abstraction, philosophy, belief systems, ideation. We have an existential conundrum to deal with between birth and death, and that is that we suffer, alternating between pleasure and pain continuously. That is a good existential predicament to become aware of – though suicide not recommended!

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 4 2024 10:51 utc | 221

Generally, the suicidal monks announce in advance they intend to perform the ritual. It can take years. There is a mummy in Japan of a monk who supposedly mummified himself by slow dehydration and starvation over years.
They are not protests or anything, just a choice of the monk of how they wish to die, (they are always old or sick). It was outlawed in India for a few decades but re-legalized a few years ago, iirc. Fascinating stuff.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 11:09 utc | 222

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 2:21 utc | 208
Posted by: scorpion | Apr 4 2024 10:51 utc | 221
Posted by: persiflo | Apr 4 2024 0:02 utc | 204
Scorpion, yes, the truth of suffering is pretty much what sets you on the quest. My own path is the one ‘advocated’ by Ramana Maharshi (a ‘saint’ who was alive in the twentieth century), and from whence I got insight into Advaita because it was put so simply and beautifully. It’s true that the Orthodox Buddhists have trouble with the ‘Self’ from one point of view, but I find these Self and No-Self arguments boring, because I think they must be dualistic irrelevancies from an enlightened standpoint. I find ‘similar’ views expressed in Christian mysticism, the Sufis and so on also…
This is a good brief overview in a nutshell:
https://youtu.be/UDVQC_uHRCI?list=PL8hGc9OaVmFWVCiGUHndPaoPvU12MdmZe
And there is Ramana’s sole prose work (the rest is poetry), ‘Who am I?’ — the ‘honesty’ of which grabbed me from the first paragraph. It is a brief essay translated at the bottom of this document.
https://www.happinessofbeing.com/Nan_Yar.pdf
If I offended anyone, I am truly sorry, and wish you the best.

Posted by: dumbo | Apr 4 2024 11:17 utc | 223

President Biden reiterated that the United States does not seek a new Cold War, its objective is not to change China’s system, its alliances are not targeted against China, the U.S. does not support “Taiwan independence,” and the U.S. does not seek conflict with China. The U.S. follows the one-China policy. It is in the interest of the world for China to succeed. The U.S. does not want to curtail China’s development, and does not seek “decoupling” from China. The U.S. will send Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and Secretary of State Antony Blinken to visit China shortly to strengthen dialogue and communication, avoid miscalculation and promote cooperation, so as to advance the relationship on a stable path and jointly respond to global challenges.
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Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 4 2024 6:05 utc | 212
A very interesting paragraph, thanks. Not what they said, but that they said it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 4 2024 12:43 utc | 224

Just imagine.. ..life without struggle. You could fly to mountaintops instead of climbing the trails, you would learn nothing, and could create art with thought. You would never know the feeling of accomplishment. You would have nothing to do, and your creations would have no audience, because others would simply effortlessly create what suited themselves.
Life without struggle is a pointless void.
Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 1:56 utc | 206
That was well said thank you. Meaning, like motion, is relative.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 4 2024 12:49 utc | 225

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 11:09 utc | 222
Generally, the suicidal monks announce in advance they intend to perform the ritual. It can take years. There is a mummy in Japan of a monk who supposedly mummified himself by slow dehydration and starvation over years.
They are not protests or anything, just a choice of the monk of how they wish to die, (they are always old or sick). It was outlawed in India for a few decades but re-legalized a few years ago, iirc. Fascinating stuff.

There is something called ‘straying into shamatha’ which is focused mindfulness. People stumbled on a cave in Tibet where two or three yogi-monks had entered such a deep state of it that their bodies were still upright and well preserved many centuries later, though they were no longer quite alive either – something in between. This sort of one-pointedness is regarded as an error in Tibetan schools.
When the Buddha first presented the Mahayana, it is said that 500 of his arhants, those who had mastered Hinayana mindfulness, died of heart attacks on the spot. The point being that one must abandon the project to enlighten oneself, or attain nirvana/extinction of craving sensations etc. and open the heart beyond that self-centered project.
The Buddha’s life story exemplified this message in that after becoming one of the leading ascetics in India, and having studied with the best meditation masters of the day of which there were many back then, he abandoned asceticism by accepting a bowl of rice pudding offered by a farm girl and immediately attained enlightenment being able, later, to persuade his old ascetic companions to do likewise.
In all disciplines there are false paths, all involving being either too tight or too loose, recognizing and avoiding which being the main service provided by living teachers, especially since spotting such deviations becomes increasingly subtle and tricky the further along the path one progresses.

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 4 2024 14:57 utc | 226

So there is zero evidence we are more ahead of the curve this century than last. I believe that over-reliance on materialism and its technology is largely to blame since it justifies destroying (non-materialist) bedrock cultural principles and in so doing destroys too much. What do you think?
Related piece about Dawkins and the New Atheists: https://archive.ph/Bw5vJ
Posted by: scorpion | Apr 4 2024 10:19 utc | 219
What is the ‘curve’, Scorpion? If one is examining the difference between time and eternity, as I think you did in looking at the definition of a ‘moment’, perhaps there is no curve. The icon of the Easter happening, the Resurrection, is that of Christ descending into hell by way of the cross and grasping the hands of Adam and Eve. One might also see a foretelling of this in God’s already clothing their naked bodies as they depart from Eden.
The first murder occurs soon after in the Genesis narrative, between brothers. In terms of the legend, if those are first people the quantity of evil for the entirety of mankind as then existing seems formidable. As someone has said, the line between good and evil runs through the human heart.
It has always been there, according to the creation story. And as another has said, it is hierarchical, up or down, moment of time touching moment of eternity, moment to moment. Not always recognized (we are not God) but occasionally glimpsed.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 4 2024 15:44 utc | 227

“Why did US diplomat say Scarborough Shoal belonged to the Philippines? – SCMP”

He wants a war between PR China and the Philippines, like that between Russia and Ukraine. Let us hope he fails. Such a war cannot benefit anyone in the Philippines or Pr China.

Posted by: lester | Apr 4 2024 17:05 utc | 228

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 4 2024 8:26 utc | 215
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Strategic Culture , another one bites the dust.
MOA is the last bastion of dissent for anti-imperialists.
B is doing a sterling job .
BUt the forum is reeling under an invasion of trolls, the S/N ratio is not a pretty sight lately
We owe it to Bernhard and ourselves to confront this invasion head on.

Posted by: denk | Apr 4 2024 17:36 utc | 229

So, who is Declan Hayes and why should I take his opinions seriously? Does he know Chinese language? Have even a superficial knowledge of Chinese history or society?
Note well that China and the Philippins have been side-by-side for millenia, with no wars or invasions. Quite a large number of Filipinos have Chinese ancestors.

Posted by: lester | Apr 4 2024 18:19 utc | 230

There are lots of good intro and advanced books on Chinese history, society, etc. in English. Many are readable! But I see no evidence than anyone like Declan Hayes, say, has read them. Has he looked at the CAMBRIDGE HISTORY OF CHINA, in 19 vols., believe? Has he glanced at any of SCIENCE AND CIVILISATION IN CHINA, again 19 vols., last I looked? Probably not. Does he watch any movies made in China? The cheesiest Hong Kong crime thriller or ghost movie will intro the viewer to a very different society.Has anyone read JOURNEY TO THE WEST, OUTLAWS OF THE MARSH, ROMANCE OF THE THREE KINGDOMS, DREAM OF THE RED CHAMBER, books that every Chinese person reads. Again, all exist in English.
So were DO Hayes, Biden, Trump, et al., get their stereotypes and misinformation on China?

Posted by: lester | Apr 4 2024 18:32 utc | 231

“Thanks I find what Scorpion writes sickening and morally degenerate.
…but I’m glad to see you still call him out for his worst dishonest behaviours.”
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Apr 4 2024 8:26 utc | 215
I agree with that. And Scorpion wasted no time proving you right with his
link @scorpion | Apr 4 2024 10:19 utc | 219 which is a cheap hit piece on Richard
Dawkins by the Glenn Beck acolyte Auron MacIntyre.
I too thank denk for his work. Denk’s posts can be hard to follow but
those who make the effort to check the substance will find that denk
castigates Scorpion only for what Scorpion represents.
It’s not personal and it’s not ad hominem.
It’s the type of vigilance more should exercise, especially here in b’s great bar!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 4 2024 18:35 utc | 232

ZH has a posting up telling us that Yellen is already in China for a 6 day visit….not sure about Blinken
Janet Yellen Arrives In China For High-Stakes Economic Meetings
the quote

U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen has arrived in China for a 6-day visit, a trip she said was necessary to “advance America’s economic and national security interests.”
Ms. Yellen landed in the southern Chinese export hub of Guangzhou on Thursday afternoon. Before her arrival, she took to social media platform X to explain the objectives of her trip.

“During my time in China, I’ll focus on advancing a healthy economic relationship that provides a level playing field for American workers and firms, and furthering cooperation on shared challenges like illicit finance and climate change,” she wrote.

The Treasury Department said her trip, the second in less than a year, aims to press her Chinese counterparts on Washington’s concerns about the regime’s “unfair trade practices” and “industrial overcapacity,” which poses a threat to economies across the world.

I hope China hands Yellen her ass for such empire hubris that thinks they can tell China how to run their economy….this is the economic part of our civilization war and Janet Yellen leading the charge from empire side does not inspire confidence that they have a clue how to play nice in our multipolar world.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 4 2024 18:46 utc | 233

Posted by: juliania | Apr 4 2024 15:44 utc | 227
The first murder occurs soon after in the Genesis narrative, between brothers. In terms of the legend, if those are first people the quantity of evil for the entirety of mankind as then existing seems formidable. As someone has said, the line between good and evil runs through the human heart. It has always been there, according to the creation story.

Well, I agree very much that it (both good and evil) has been there from the beginning and runs through each and every human heart. The Genesis story is essentially the story of a profound schism between God and Man caused by the introduction of Good & Evil soon after followed by brother murdering brother.
Because such nature is essentially unchanging, we need to create societies that can both adapt to ever-changing times whilst remaining grounded in bedrock principles attuned to our primordial natures, which do not so change. In the modern materialist era progressive thinking now believes in a future always more advanced than the past and a past always more backward than the present. But this is a false view given how our underlying natures do not essentially change. Yes, technology and surface elements change all the time, but the underlying order, or rules of reality so to speak, do not.
We have thrown out collective awareness of those bedrock norms, aka values. They persist in various religious congregations and rural communities presumably, but in society as a whole, especially in urban, mass media contexts, this is being erased, moreover partly by subversive design. But We the Sheeple seem to have lost the ability either to discern such damages as they arise or to remedy them once they become widespread.

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 4 2024 18:52 utc | 234

juliana, it’s good to hear your experience of the transcendental. I know just what you speak about there, and this kind (and others too) of relating with It is possible, I think, for everyone who brings a serious dedication and openness. The Rosicruceans, f.i., offer devoted study groups where you can learn to establish a relation to a guiding source; as they say, participation is regularly succesful. I declined, because I already have a working relationsship with ‘my boss’, as I like to say. Not a popular occupation these days, but I shall not complain. It’s interesting work, and often fun around Him. We’re joking sometimes.
It’s this perspective on the matter of the spiritual that has me critizing a purely bookish approach to it. Yeah, nice story you got there, but how about I wish to meet him somehow? The prophets in the old testament do – one of them after a long time of searching, as he lies old and already broken in the gutter – there, he glimpses Him in the coat of a passing man. A sweet but also bizarre and horrible story, and I’m glad that we seem to make a better experience 🙂
On another note to barflies who oppose discussion on religious and spiritual matters: please behave! There is already enough distraction and enmity among people out there, let’s the value civilized discourse that is also possible, and share the joy that it brings to hear others on their experience. It brings learning, healing, beauty and life. That’s my 2cent at this point.

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 4 2024 19:08 utc | 235

Well, I agree very much that it (both good and evil) has been there from the beginning and runs through each and every human heart… …Because such nature is essentially unchanging, we need to create societies that can both adapt to ever-changing times whilst remaining grounded in bedrock principles attuned to our primordial natures, which do not so change.
Posted by: scorpion | Apr 4 2024 18:52 utc | 234
I would not say ‘from the beginning’, scorpion. As I said before, human nature is essentially good. Nothing Hobbesian about it. Children are our best selves — ‘as such is the kingdom of heaven.’

Posted by: juliania | Apr 4 2024 20:13 utc | 236

Dow jones has cratered hard past two days.
Treasury yields rising, meaning trust government can pay back at rate greater than inflation falling.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 20:37 utc | 237

I would not say ‘from the beginning’, scorpion. As I said before, human nature is essentially good. Nothing Hobbesian about it. Children are our best selves — ‘as such is the kingdom of heaven.’
Posted by: juliania | Apr 4 2024 20:13 utc | 236
Children are obliviously selfish.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 20:38 utc | 238

Posted by: lester | Apr 4 2024 18:32 utc | 231
Heh, Ive watched the 2010 Romance of the Three Kingdoms 3 times.
Also enjoyed:
Kings war, Qin Epic, growling tiger, roaring dragon, and Advisors Alliance
Drab but interesting:
Ming Dynasty 1566
Thought was not so great – too dramatic (as chinese dramas can be )
Great Shaolin
Never finished a terrible alt history about a warrior tournament.
Also never finished a chen jinbao series about the rise of the Tang dynasty, iirc

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 20:52 utc | 239

Dear Juliania:
I appreciate your comments because you are a fundamentally good soul. Your purpose is, always, to extract the best qualities from everyone. In this sense, you are an exceptional human being because you are consistent with your beliefs. I hope, from heart to heart, that you achieve the grace and virtue of your spirit.
But when children are dying because we are sons of bitches, do you think anyone, other than us, is responsible? Do you think Jesus would not be judged for defending justice and sacrificed on the altar of humans? We would kill him again. We are a mess.
If we are not able to see our human brothers and sisters, how can we see the purpose for transcending this loop of pain.

Posted by: Cra | Apr 4 2024 21:18 utc | 240

Posted by: juliania | Apr 4 2024 20:13 utc | 236
I would not say ‘from the beginning’, scorpion. As I said before, human nature is essentially good. Nothing Hobbesian about it. Children are our best selves — ‘as such is the kingdom of heaven.’

Fair enough. For me in normal English saying ‘essential’ and ‘from the beginning’ is a distinction without a difference. In any case, at least in this conversation I believe we mean the same thing.

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 4 2024 21:20 utc | 241

@ Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 4 2024 18:46 utc | 233
Lol. Again? Was she invited this time or did she arrive like a gatecrasher at a wake?
I wonder if she’ll be braving the exotic mushroom dishes from the local restaurants again.
Ah well a bankers gotta doo what a wankers gotta doodoo. Sorry I’m done for the week, it’s been long and tragic. I am looking for some feel good stories.
Like this Russian TV hosts intro to his regular talk show, just a few minutes with English subtitles – I imagine it is what Vincent Price might sound like in Russian. I dare you to not laugh.
https://youtu.be/m4o_7F9zrho?si=1guhYF-vGdpq8rci
Take it easy bar flies.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 4 2024 21:48 utc | 242

The evidence is that we are living in an emotional world with some little picks of reality: but it’s our fault. This pseudo reality is our creation because we oscillate between the due humility to understand the fact that we are messing ourselves meanwhile we are so arrogant that we are beyond all of that. Take it easy, human.

Posted by: Cra | Apr 4 2024 21:53 utc | 243

Alfred Hitchcock liked his ability to move certain emotions in his viewers to pressing the keys of a clavilux. As if they’re kept, ready to shine, in a colour palette somewhere within our souls.
They can drench a spring festivity in a pleasant light, even when I can’t partake as unforeseen circumstance hinders me. The latter is Husserl’s example by the way. Even when viewed thusly, emotion and the “things” we perceive in our ever-present now state of awarenesss cannot just be taken apart analytically afterwards, with the aim to discover “reality as it is” as if our “synthetic apperception” was only a problem of finite resolution, or prone to technical artifacts, that may be somehow computed out of the image of any a ‘thing’ —
Therein lies all wonder. And yes, indeed, barflies – take it easy. Because it is serious.
I’ll head over to the jukebox now, to play a little radio show from 2010, recorded by an anonymous expert knob twiddler who calls himself th’idiot for the occassion. It feels a bit like Richard D. James returning to his machine park after an extensive holiday in the carribean, though we shall never know I guess.
[ribstep radio show 7, runtime 1h, filesize 60mb – streaming should work]

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 4 2024 22:57 utc | 244

Posted by: Cra | Apr 4 2024 21:18 utc | 240, 243.
Indeed, Cra, I agree we are responsible each of us to everyone, especially the children. I used to be carried away by the romantic thought of Israel – how foolish I was! Lots I should have known, lived through without really being aware what was happening, had my own issues, did not see …
We are being made to see. Thanks for your post. Thanks to b for bringing real news here, and all posters as well.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 4 2024 23:08 utc | 245

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 4 2024 21:20 utc | 241
Oh good, scorpion! I sometimes think we’re in similar living spaces, since I too am an outsider being hosted by a separate but friendly community, enjoying their company and the privilege that it is being here observing. My space is small but in really restful natural surroundings. So many folk don’t have that. Small is good. I planted more potatoes today, different spot. And I read that the critters will avoid onions so lots are in, whether they bulb up for me or not. Still too cold at night to put my indoor starts out unprotected. But soon.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 4 2024 23:28 utc | 246

I am out of the city, and a years supply of food for me and mine, with potatoes and onions on the acre.
Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 23:10 utc | 195
Serendipity?

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 23:31 utc | 247

Above is on current ukraine thread

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 4 2024 23:31 utc | 248

Dugin’s latest in Arktos. He is echoing two things have been wrestling/playing with past few years, the endemic problem of materialism in western culture and also the many layers and levels of complexity at play making understanding very difficult. I believe this complexity is because, having drifted away from any mooring to bedrock principles, the many layers and levels of ever-changing experience and social organization natural in any civilization are increasingly disparate because not aligned to core, common principles. This makes things increasingly disharmonious, non-resonant and thus confusing. The cookie is crumbling…

Construction of Hell in the Modern Era
by Alexander Dugin
ARKTOS JOURNAL
APR 04, 2024
Alexander Dugin delves into the convergence of multiple dimensions, highlighting the resultant chaos that challenges conventional understanding and demands a reevaluation of progress and modernity.
Today, several planes converge into a unity, until the last moment having represented something autonomous:
Religion, Theology, and Eschatology: Previously thought to be relegated to the outskirts of relevance, these aspects are now infiltrating every facet of life, from the broadest societal levels down to individual daily routines.
Geopolitics: This sphere is witnessing the clash of fundamentally incompatible visions of global order, highlighting the stark contrasts in international relations and power dynamics.
Political Ideologies: Ideologies are being turned inside out, leading to the emergence of unexpected and often forbidden hybrids, such as Nazi-liberalism, illustrating the complex and sometimes contradictory nature of contemporary political thought.
Philosophical Processes: Here, the extreme declines in societal and moral values are juxtaposed against moments of profound insight and enlightenment, showcasing the dichotomy between despair and revelation.
Cultural Dynamics: Cultures are experiencing a rapid freeze and melt process, moving at breakneck speed towards rigidity only to dissolve into fluidity again, symbolising the constant state of flux and transformation in cultural identity and expression.
All the different layers intersect in unique and unconventional ways, creating complex knots of meaning that are difficult to fully understand or define. This intricate interweaving leads to a collapse into conflict and a wild frenzy of technological advancements. However, war itself is a profound metaphysical issue that demands deep reflection, and technology presents similarly profound metaphysical challenges. This situation is intensely complex and far from being superficial; it is nonlinear and teeters on the brink of chaos due to its complexity. Traditional methods fall short when trying to unravel this complex web of meaning. Moreover, the reliance on conventional wisdom is now questioned due to a pervasive sense of doubt. Every attempt to construct a theoretical model bumps up against previously unaddressed shortcomings or outright mistakes from the past. The moment we begin to doubt the simplistic (and even outright false) notion of progress, our trust in the advancements made since then compared to what existed before is shaken. If an initial mistake was made, it will ultimately lead to disastrous consequences.
When did everything go wrong? In the era of the great geographical discoveries. By crossing the forbidden boundary of the Pillars of Hercules, Western Europe committed an act of irreversible transgression. This was fatal. The place of Atlantis is at the bottom.
The only generalising explanation that would cover the entire territory of unsolvable problems is the conclusion that five hundred years ago, Western Europe began to systematically lose its sanity. And it went mad because once having begun to go mad, eventually you will go mad. Thus, five anomalies were formed.
Atheism and materialism in the scientific worldview, based on nominalism and a pathological Protestant ideology, were prevalent. Even then, it could have been concluded that the West was entering an Antichrist mode, with all things Western and modern irreversibly marked by it. The British pseudo-Empire marked the beginning of hypertrophied Atlanticism. The Anglo-Saxons embodied the biblical Leviathan. In the twentieth century, the baton was passed to the USA, but the dominance of the sea civilisation is England’s legacy.
The Middle Ages and its Indo-European tri-functional ideology, Catholicism, and Empire were rejected and ridiculed, replaced by a form of capitalism that was pathological in all respects. Ideologically, it later diverged into liberalism (the main form of mental degeneration), nationalism, and an inverted version that acknowledged its foundational principles — socialism. Any ideological movement within the system of capitalism was doomed to mimicry and collapse. Capitalism is absolutely totalitarian. As Deleuze showed, capitalism culminates in schizophrenia.
The philosophy of the modern era split (without warning) into an eccentric continuation of the classical tradition and into destructive perversions in solidarity with materialism and the externalism of science. This caused systematic confusion — a semantic shift in interpretations. Thought struggled in the nets like a deer, sometimes breaking through. But where there was breakthrough and where agony, no one reliably knew; often everything appeared to be strictly the opposite.
Culture began to transition into civilisation (according to Spengler), cooling down but not without excesses — from time to time, an unpredictable genius discerned the essence of the thickening darkness and pierced it with a shining needle. Overall, culture was deliberately sliding into hell.
Russia suddenly found itself at war with all this — without wishing, understanding, preparing, or expecting it at all. Russia was placed by an invisible hand in the position it now finds itself. Now, against all odds, we must — institutionally! — respond to all the challenges of the civilisation of the Antichrist, including the challenge of technology. All the electronic devices with which the West has equipped humanity turned out to have a catch — through them, it turns out, someone unknown collects information about everyone in order to then rule unchallenged.
What people hide the most are their sins. They are of interest to Big Brother. He records them and lets them in when needed. Techno-dependence is the most perfect tool of the devil and his civilisation. We rejoice in digitalisation — we help the devil rule us. But what are oceans of sins if not a field of madness? The cycle of hell construction is almost complete. In its way — only our desperate Special Military Operation. Well, how do you propose we interpret it?

Had a hard time picking a short excerpt that made sense alone so since it’s not a long article, pasted it all in. Translation could be better, but am grateful for this online publication for bringing Dugin – and many more – from outside the Anglophone sphere quickly to print in English.
https://www.arktosjournal.com/p/construction-of-hell-in-the-modern
He asks ‘when did everything go wrong’ and answers it with the Age of Discovery. I don’t disagree, but as have explored here occasionally, I believe the Mandarin Bureaucracy’s regressive revolt against the Great Emperor Yung Lo resulting soon after his death in the Maritime Ban enabled the rise of the West by creating a security vacuum in the China and Indian Seas. Isolationism of the wrong kind can be as bad as hyper-expansionism. Without that Maritime Ban Western exploration and expansion would have been confined to the Americas, and perhaps there too might have been curtailed by Chinese expansion into the Western coasts of the Americas, where early European explorers encountered several Chinese-speaking settlements there from long before 1492, with the expulsion of the Jews from Spain which in some ways triggered the whole sorry mess barely fifty years after the Maritime Ban was put into effect and piracy began to rule the Indian and Chinese Seas.

Posted by: scorpion | Apr 5 2024 5:00 utc | 249

Reuters has a posting up about Yellen’s trip to China and the title is
Yellen says China is too big to export its way to rapid growth
China is not responding to its economic gyrations like empire wants because China retains control of finance and the PBOC is deciding who takes the losses instead of private interests forcing governments to cover their financial bets, like in the West….and rapid growth internally is not China’s goal, stable world growth is.
I expect China to school Yellen in just that scenario of privatizing profits/socializing losses that is staring the US in the face, again…..rampant social/financial abuse of humanity by the God Of Mammon cult and its supporters like Pope Frank and his Catholic church.
What right does Yellen have to preach anything to China? I have saved a 6 page story from somewhere about Yellen’s trip last year dated April 25, 2023 and we will see what the comparisons are as the circus show unfolds.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 5 2024 7:05 utc | 250