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March 31, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-095
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Do you care if the genocidal psychopathic entity that has been thieving, murdering-at-will and oppressing Palestinians for decades exists in such a crazed state? Posted by: librul | Mar 31 2024 13:29 utc | 1 It appears that Israel will get away with their ethic cleansing. Posted by: Ted Miller | Mar 31 2024 14:22 utc | 2 Ted Miller @ 2 Posted by: circumspect | Mar 31 2024 14:33 utc | 3 meanwhile not far away the WoT goes on. Its EASTER so you know ALL believers are meant. Posted by: swiss | Mar 31 2024 14:41 utc | 4 Sorry that was not quite the right link Posted by: swiss | Mar 31 2024 14:45 utc | 5 It’s unlikely that the IDF prevails on either the Northern, Southern, or any other front. Blind Rage atrocities are a tell of a frustrated, demoralized military Posted by: Exile | Mar 31 2024 14:54 utc | 6 If it became revealed and thoroughly accepted by the citizens of Israel Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 31 2024 14:58 utc | 7 It’s unlikely that the IDF prevails on either the Northern, Southern, or any other front. Blind Rage atrocities are a tell of a frustrated, demoralized military Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 31 2024 15:01 utc | 8 So, I read Nuttyahoo is undergoing hernia surgery today for a hernia discovered yesterday, under full anesthesia. Stay tuned … Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 31 2024 15:02 utc | 9 @Exile thank you Posted by: swiss | Mar 31 2024 15:14 utc | 10 Hi, Posted by: Aamer | Mar 31 2024 15:33 utc | 11 Israel’s attacks on Syria take a new and unexpected direction Posted by: JackG | Mar 31 2024 15:47 utc | 12 Posted by: Ted Miller | Mar 31 2024 14:22 utc | 2 Posted by: laguerre | Mar 31 2024 15:57 utc | 14 I entirely disagree that Israel is getting away with this scot free. The tide is clearly turning, and Israel is on the downward slide. Their policy of militarism since 1948 could never work, as the Crusaders found out. I can’t say how long it will take, but it is now obvious that they can never change policy, and every one else is getting fed up. The loss of reputation is permanent. Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 31 2024 16:31 utc | 15 Here is Vanessa Beeley’s page linked up-thread. Posted by: Jane | Mar 31 2024 16:49 utc | 16 Hi, Posted by: librul | Mar 31 2024 17:02 utc | 17 My take is that the betrayal can’t be proven in the present environment, but it surely does look like it happened. The problem that goes with getting the citizens of Israel to realize that they where betrayed, is that the realization won’t happen unless Israel suffers an enormous setback. That will produce a desire to scapegoat the leadership, and the betrayal will be treated as a fact. Posted by: librul | Mar 31 2024 17:13 utc | 18 Supposedly Hezbollah now has Russian TOS MLRS systems. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 31 2024 18:22 utc | 19 Keep hammering this simple data point : Posted by: Exile | Mar 31 2024 19:08 utc | 20 400+ Israeli’s were massacred by IDF gunships and tanks on 7.Oct following direct orders Posted by: Jane | Mar 31 2024 19:25 utc | 21 What is the source for this? Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 31 2024 20:07 utc | 22 A couple things: Posted by: UWDude | Mar 31 2024 20:22 utc | 23 It’s like the people who think Israel is winning anything other than the title of History’s Foremost War Criminal are on another planet. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 31 2024 20:50 utc | 24 according to ===> UK govt lawyers conclude Israel in breach of humanitarian law – media — RT World News Posted by: snake | Mar 31 2024 20:56 utc | 25 comments like Jane @ 21 really does my head in. Posted by: Suresh | Mar 31 2024 21:59 utc | 26
That’s reasonable: if they lose, the betrayal story will out and a scapegoat will be found. But before we consider that, perhaps good to reflect that a high percentage of Israelis Exile | Mar 31 2024 14:54 utc | 6. wrote:
Alastair Crooke told Judge Napolitano that Israel’s leaders have “lost control” of IDF. Soldiers are rampaging; unlike US military, there are no intermediary officers to direct or control fighters. Posted by: ChasMark | Mar 31 2024 22:25 utc | 28 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 31 2024 20:07 utc | 22 Posted by: ChasMark | Mar 31 2024 22:33 utc | 29 Ive seen comments like the one Im about to write, and thought they were over the top. But now Im sure there is truth in them, and its come down to this. The Zionists do have way too much control over America. They think they are better than others. I am a non practising Jew on my Maternal Grandfathers side. A relative someways back was sent to Australia on a convict ship. He stole Gold and valuables equivalent at the time to buy 10 houses. Tens of millions in todays $. Most of the convicts stole food to feed the family. I guess he thought big. Point is I can call out the Jews without being called a Jew hater. Its a fact Jews stick to gether and give fellow Jews preferences in Movie Roles, Govt Jobs etc. They are deeply involved in criminal enterprises to the detriment of the USA. They are a parasite. They blackmail, lie and cheat at high levels etc. They have fantasies about being the chosen race. Pure BS. The world needs to stand up to them and make a two state solution happen. BTW lets stop this myth right here. Israeli soldiers when the run in Gaza they look like girls. They rune like sissies. They are scared sh..less. Jews made the myth of Israeli super soldiers as a shield because they are not good soldiers why? Because their true religion is self. Themselves. They dont have that bravery and courage like Russians, Kiwis, Australians, scots, Irish, Germans have. And Americans too. But these days you gotta filter out much of the US population to find the good stuff. Due to drugs, crime social breakdown, masses of invading illegals. America you are in great great trouble. If you dont get Trump….its all over for you Posted by: Jak Jones | Mar 31 2024 23:14 utc | 30 The well-known images of hundreds of destroyed cars at the rave venue from Oct7, piled up on both sides of the road, make a very clear point. This could not possibly have been done by Hamas militants with small arms and the odd RPG. It could only have been achieved by helicopters with chain guns. It is beyond any question the IDF that caused that destruction. It’s surprising (not) that no-one in the 4R media shows any curiosity as to exactly how that scale of destruction was physically caused. Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 31 2024 23:15 utc | 31 The Plan Is To Turn Palestine Into A Historical Footnote So It’s Too Late To Save It Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 31 2024 23:17 utc | 32 Posted by: ChasMark | Mar 31 2024 22:33 utc | 29 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 1 2024 0:00 utc | 33 This author is new to me, so it’s possible someone has shared this at MoA in the past few weeks.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 1 2024 0:02 utc | 34 How to hold Israel accountable for torturing Palestinians Posted by: Lydia Gorbik | Apr 1 2024 0:33 utc | 35 Richard medhurst has the full audio and some commentary regarding the UK legal advice on Israel breaching international law Posted by: Hankster | Apr 1 2024 1:08 utc | 36 @25 Posted by: Ornot | Apr 1 2024 1:46 utc | 37 @ Tom Q Collins 34 Posted by: fanto | Apr 1 2024 2:50 utc | 38
I encounter that figure of speech, “entity”, all the time in that context. Entity, entity, entity. Again and again, ad nauseum. I don’t know when and how that usage originated, but it’s very popular among Islamists, whom I suppose you are echoing. The problem with it is obvious though. Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 1 2024 3:22 utc | 39 Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 1 2024 3:22 utc | 39 Posted by: Greg | Apr 1 2024 4:56 utc | 40 Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 1 2024 3:22 utc | 39 Posted by: snake | Apr 1 2024 5:30 utc | 41 United States congressman Tim Walberg from Michigan says the quiet part out loud. Posted by: ak74 | Apr 1 2024 5:35 utc | 42 The word entity to me signifies that nobody else accepts the claims or assumptions made by that entity. Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 5:57 utc | 43 Truly amazing that people can so readily and energetically attach so much baggage of personal belief to a word (entity) and then accuse the word and its selection of being at fault. Posted by: Greg | Apr 1 2024 7:10 utc | 44 The term ‘entity’ can relate to a vast range of things including: a person, a spirit, a landscape, a legally or socially recognised assemblage of people and/or people’s interests. Posted by: Greg | Apr 1 2024 7:29 utc | 45 Should be ‘Sov Cit’. Posted by: Greg | Apr 1 2024 7:31 utc | 46 Greg 44 Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 9:35 utc | 47 ak74 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Apr 1 2024 9:44 utc | 48 Be sure to vote with your wallet, everybody! 🙂 That includes slow rolling your expenditures on Western mega-corporation products! Be the straw upon the camel’s back… Posted by: titmouse | Apr 1 2024 9:44 utc | 49 In Israel there are several Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 10:12 utc | 50 JUST SEEN THIS – ACCURATE OR NOT? WOULD WELCOME ANOTHER VIEWPOPINT – Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Apr 1 2024 10:28 utc | 51 As far from an April fools joke as you can get. Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 1 2024 10:29 utc | 52 Here’s a question. Posted by: jpc | Apr 1 2024 10:39 utc | 53 Posted by: ak74 | Apr 1 2024 5:35 utc | 42 Posted by: Nokaz | Apr 1 2024 10:54 utc | 54 Geraint ap Iorwerth 51 Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 11:27 utc | 55 Posted by: Nokaz | Apr 1 2024 10:54 utc | 54 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 1 2024 11:56 utc | 56 Sicarii, a semi-religious militia using profits from robbery, contract killing and kidnapping to support a vague messianic ideology – not Jewish nationalists nor especially anti-Roman, just hoping for power. Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Apr 1 2024 11:57 utc | 57 The Latest Jordanian Unrest Hints At Hamas’ Desperation Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 12:07 utc | 58 What I find interesting is socotra island. There’s a israeli military base there and has been for near a decade , usa is building a base there as well. Nothing no missiles pulverising it as should be the case . I know it was taken over to ring Iran and they seem OK with it as well. Posted by: Hankster | Apr 1 2024 12:54 utc | 59 Geraint ap Iorwerth 57 Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 13:08 utc | 60 Decided they weren’t killing enough journalists, so they are going to close down the news networks themselves. Posted by: teri | Apr 1 2024 13:14 utc | 61 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/31/israel-plan-un-dismantle-palestinian-relief-agency-unwra#:~:text=Israel%20has%20given%20the%20UN,Gaza%2C%20according%20to%20UN%20sources. Posted by: Hankster | Apr 1 2024 13:18 utc | 62 Posted by: teri | Apr 1 2024 13:14 utc | 61 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 1 2024 13:31 utc | 64 Zionazis doing what Euro Fascists have been doing for centuries – genocide. Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 1 2024 13:43 utc | 65 Add Ecocide to the long and growing list of Israeli barbaric criminal Genocidal war crimes – IDF has destroyed farms, olive groves and greenhouses that provide essential food supplies – no Hamas tunnels under them, Watch this incredible video of GPS satellite data: Posted by: bill wolfe | Apr 1 2024 13:54 utc | 66
On the contrary, I constrained the definition to eliminate most of the common legalist notion of the word. As you wrote, an entity is “a thing with distinct and independent existence”. Ok, fine, but a thing is either exclusively material or not exclusively so. (If not, is it materio-spiritual? Pure spirit stuff? Something else?) Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 1 2024 14:40 utc | 67 It was you who missed the point: librul misrepresented the brute facts of the situation. Your objection amounts to a complaint that the brute facts don’t matter. Posted by: librul | Apr 1 2024 15:54 utc | 68 If not, could *you* succinctly offer an alternative, thx. Posted by: librul | Apr 1 2024 15:55 utc | 69 Is Israel winning? Before the start of the gazacaust, if you pointed out that AIPAC controlled the US government, you got banned. Now it is openly discussed. And that toothpaste ain’t going back in the tube. Posted by: JackG | Apr 1 2024 18:19 utc | 70 Ok, fine, but a thing is either exclusively material or not exclusively so. (If not, is it materio-spiritual? Pure spirit stuff? Something else?) Posted by: JackG | Apr 1 2024 18:27 utc | 71 Be the straw upon the camel’s back… Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 1 2024 18:29 utc | 72
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 1 2024 11:56 utc | 56 Posted by: joey_n | Apr 1 2024 19:30 utc | 73 “You seem gaslit enough to miss the fact that there was no need to use Nukes on a Japan that was already suing for peace. Anyway…” Andrew Sarchus @ 31 Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 1 2024 19:56 utc | 75 Oldhippie 75 Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 22:28 utc | 76 Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 9:35 utc | 47 Posted by: Greg | Apr 2 2024 1:18 utc | 77 Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 9:35 utc | 47 Posted by: Greg | Apr 2 2024 1:29 utc | 78 Most people in the US refused then to believe and even now refuse to believe that their government first provoked and then allowed the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Not surprising that Israelis now react the same way. Posted by: Lysias | Apr 2 2024 1:45 utc | 79 At the time, Americans were prepared to believe the worst of Japanese. Same way now with Israelis’ thinking about Palestinians. Posted by: Lysias | Apr 2 2024 1:49 utc | 80 Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 1 2024 14:40 utc | 67 Posted by: Greg | Apr 2 2024 2:16 utc | 81 Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 1 2024 14:40 utc | 67 Posted by: Greg | Apr 2 2024 2:23 utc | 82 now Posted by: Lydia Gorbik | Apr 2 2024 2:30 utc | 83 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5owvmEVCEU Posted by: vargas | Apr 2 2024 10:46 utc | 84 b has refereed, intentionally or not, the use of the word ‘entity’. Posted by: librul | Apr 2 2024 14:30 utc | 85 Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 5:57 utc | 43 “Most people in the US refused then to believe and even now refuse to believe that their government first provoked and then allowed the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Not surprising that Israelis now react the same way.” It appears that Israel will get away with their ethic cleansing. Posted by: Delhiliterally | Apr 2 2024 14:38 utc | 88 Fascinating. Posted by: librul | Apr 2 2024 14:48 utc | 89 Haaretz (in Hebrew) : The IDF fired three times at the aid convoy, the target of the attack left it before it set off Posted by: b | Apr 2 2024 15:10 utc | 90 Posted by: juliania | Apr 2 2024 15:19 utc | 91
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Posted by: b | Apr 2 2024 15:19 utc | 92 Posted by: juliania | Apr 2 2024 15:30 utc | 94 Many thanks b for staunching the ‘Librul’ flood of compounded nonsense regarding Israeli awareness of the Actober 7 attack. Posted by: bevin | Apr 2 2024 15:44 utc | 95 The full (English) Haaretz piece on the World Central Kitchen convoy: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/al-shifa-hospital-ruins Posted by: KMRIA | Apr 2 2024 16:16 utc | 97 Thanks for the additional reporting b in spite of it making me sad. Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 2 2024 16:19 utc | 98 @Posted by: b | Apr 2 2024 15:28 utc | 93 Posted by: librul | Apr 2 2024 16:28 utc | 99 @Posted by: librul | Apr 2 2024 16:28 utc | 99 Posted by: librul | Apr 2 2024 16:37 utc | 100 |
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