Palestine Open Thread 2024-095
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Posted by b on March 31, 2024 at 13:03 UTC | Permalink
next page »It appears that Israel will get away with their ethic cleansing.
The rest of the Muslim World—which could stop this outrage tomorrow if it wanted—is going to sit back and let it happen.
No amount of whining and fear-porn fantasizing will stop it either.
The West is getting a whole bunch more refugees…
Posted by: Ted Miller | Mar 31 2024 14:22 utc | 2
Ted Miller @ 2
It certainly feels like that. 2 million Christian Zionists sunning themselves on the beaches of Gaza staying in hotels build by Trump. A couple of hundred thousand Palestinains left on a small patch of Gaza far from the Egyptian border. The countries in the region will do nothing. Once completed they will use their fleet of F-35's to reduce their oppostion in Lebanon.
There is no stopping them.
Posted by: circumspect | Mar 31 2024 14:33 utc | 3
meanwhile not far away the WoT goes on. Its EASTER so you know ALL believers are meant.
https://beeley.substack.com/p/israels-attacks-on-syria-take-a-new-turn
Posted by: swiss | Mar 31 2024 14:41 utc | 4
Sorry that was not quite the right link
Israel's attacks on Syria take a new and unexpected direction
this is the article i recommend
Posted by: swiss | Mar 31 2024 14:45 utc | 5
It’s unlikely that the IDF prevails on either the Northern, Southern, or any other front. Blind Rage atrocities are a tell of a frustrated, demoralized military
Posted by: Exile | Mar 31 2024 14:54 utc | 6
If it became revealed and thoroughly accepted by the citizens of Israel
that Israelis were treacherously betrayed on Oct 7th by their own trusted leaders
that would be a knock-out blow.
Posted by: librul | Mar 31 2024 13:29 utc | 1
My take is that the betrayal can't be proven in the present environment, but it surely does look like it happened. The problem that goes with getting the citizens of Israel to realize that they where betrayed, is that the realization won't happen unless Israel suffers an enormous setback. That will produce a desire to scapegoat the leadership, and the betrayal will be treated as a fact.
Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 31 2024 14:58 utc | 7
It’s unlikely that the IDF prevails on either the Northern, Southern, or any other front. Blind Rage atrocities are a tell of a frustrated, demoralized military
Posted by: Exile | Mar 31 2024 14:54 utc | 6
In this case the intent to slaughter precedes the military setback. It actually started in a small way on Oct. 7, and the mass bombing of civilian areas preceded the trooper invasion.
Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 31 2024 15:01 utc | 8
So, I read Nuttyahoo is undergoing hernia surgery today for a hernia discovered yesterday, under full anesthesia. Stay tuned ...
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to undergo surgery for hernia, office says
Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 31 2024 15:02 utc | 9
@Exile thank you
Sun Tzu said :
" Strategy without tactics is the slowest way to victory. Tactics without stragedy is the noise before defeat."
Posted by: swiss | Mar 31 2024 15:14 utc | 10
Hi,
Can you repost the link to hareetz article re 7th attacks. The current link doesn’t seem to work.
Thank you .
Posted by: Aamer | Mar 31 2024 15:33 utc | 11
Israel's attacks on Syria take a new and unexpected direction
Syria and Lebanon were always the number 1 target. In fact, Ukraine was an excuse for sanctions to get Russia out of Syria. They failed.
Posted by: JackG | Mar 31 2024 15:47 utc | 12
Posted by: Ted Miller | Mar 31 2024 14:22 utc | 2
I entirely disagree that Israel is getting away with this scot free. The tide is clearly turning, and Israel is on the downward slide. Their policy of militarism since 1948 could never work, as the Crusaders found out. I can't say how long it will take, but it is now obvious that they can never change policy, and every one else is getting fed up. The loss of reputation is permanent.
Posted by: laguerre | Mar 31 2024 15:57 utc | 14
I entirely disagree that Israel is getting away with this scot free. The tide is clearly turning, and Israel is on the downward slide. Their policy of militarism since 1948 could never work, as the Crusaders found out. I can't say how long it will take, but it is now obvious that they can never change policy, and every one else is getting fed up. The loss of reputation is permanent.
Posted by: laguerre | Mar 31 2024 15:57 utc | 14
Thank you, I agree, once they go down the road to militarism, full tilt, it is just a matter of time. The USA itself today stands as exempary of that. Human capital must not be wasted, or society itself is doomed.
Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 31 2024 16:31 utc | 15
Here is Vanessa Beeley's page linked up-thread.
It opened to a "Page not found" message, but the actual page was linked just below that:
https://beeley.substack.com/p/israels-attacks-on-syria-take-a-new
Posted by: Jane | Mar 31 2024 16:49 utc | 16
Hi,
Can you repost the link to hareetz article re 7th attacks. The current link doesn’t seem to work.
Thank you .
@Posted by: Aamer | Mar 31 2024 15:33 utc | 11
By now you have probably already gotten the link to work.
That website gets busy sometimes. Works most all the time, but
sometimes you just have to come back to it later.
Posted by: librul | Mar 31 2024 17:02 utc | 17
My take is that the betrayal can't be proven in the present environment, but it surely does look like it happened. The problem that goes with getting the citizens of Israel to realize that they where betrayed, is that the realization won't happen unless Israel suffers an enormous setback. That will produce a desire to scapegoat the leadership, and the betrayal will be treated as a fact.
@Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 31 2024 14:58 utc | 7
I am not optimistic either.
But a huge setback, as you say, could bring it all tumbling down.
All we can do is spread the word.
(Feel free to copy and paste anything you want and post everywhere. No attributions necessary.)
There is the power of two.
Two people tell two about LIHOP who tell two...etc...
which is similar to how a nuclear chain reaction works.
One tiny atom splits and is unseen and then the reaction builds
and in a flash Kapow! Picture it.
Posted by: librul | Mar 31 2024 17:13 utc | 18
Supposedly Hezbollah now has Russian TOS MLRS systems.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 31 2024 18:22 utc | 19
Keep hammering this simple data point :
400+ Israeli’s were massacred by IDF gunships and tanks on 7.Oct following direct orders
Posted by: Exile | Mar 31 2024 19:08 utc | 20
400+ Israeli’s were massacred by IDF gunships and tanks on 7.Oct following direct orders
Posted by: Exile | Mar 31 2024 19:08 utc | 20
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What is the source for this?
What is the answer to the (likely) question "How do you know that?"
Posted by: Jane | Mar 31 2024 19:25 utc | 21
What is the source for this?
What is the answer to the (likely) question "How do you know that?"
Posted by: Jane | Mar 31 2024 19:25 utc | 21
One of the first in a series from The Cradle. Exact numbers may not be known, but several hundred killed by Israeli fire in a "mass Hannibal" event is entirely believable.
https://thecradle.co/articles/was-october-7th-a-hamas-or-israeli-massacre
Another from January.
https://thecradle.co/articles/israeli-army-ordered-mass-hannibal-directive-on-7-oct-media
Hamas simply didn't bring with them the firepower needed to incinerate so many vehicles and blow up kibbutzim. The overriding purpose of Oct 7 was to take hostages to negotiate for illegally/extra-judicially held Palestinians in Israeli custody.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 31 2024 20:07 utc | 22
A couple things:
1) Hamas strategy? Did they have one? Perhaps theu just want to drag it out as long as possible, hoping for Israeli economic collapse, and then American.
Hezbollah and Ansar Allah are helping, the former is taking casualties well beyond what they inflict, but they are harming Israel's economic north and pinning forces in the north that could otherwise be fo used on Hamas.
IF the continues as it is now for three or four more years, Israel will be defeated, but that is a HUGE if.
I still see Israeli defeat odds at about 10% - 15%, and total annexation of gaza around 33% chance.
Posted by: UWDude | Mar 31 2024 20:22 utc | 23
It's like the people who think Israel is winning anything other than the title of History's Foremost War Criminal are on another planet.
History doesn't end because the Gazans have been slaughtered with the abettance of the witless Maericans. The stain and consequences of the bloody crimes being committed in Gaza by Zionist religious extremists will be felt for generations and cannot be predicted. What is certain however is that none of it bodes well for the colonial state of Israel.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 31 2024 20:50 utc | 24
according to ===> UK govt lawyers conclude Israel in breach of humanitarian law – media — RT World News
https://www.rt.com/news/595188-uk-israel-rights-violation/
Lawyers for the UK government have established Israel has been breaking humanitarian law amid its ongoing conflict in Gaza with the Palestinian militant group Hamas, a senior Tory is claiming, according to leaked audio revealed by the Observer newspaper on Saturday.
The legal experts’ assessment effectively makes the UK complicit in the Israeli military’s violations, and defense cooperation should have been severed by London immediately after they produced their evaluation of the situation in Gaza.
<== who knows more about this?
Posted by: snake | Mar 31 2024 20:56 utc | 25
comments like Jane @ 21 really does my head in.
Under what rock has this person been hiding?
Since Oct 7 last year, librul has been repeatedly posting that this was a black flack operation.
Israel's own Haaretz 21 Dec and 17 August report proved this.
Yet, time and again, we get these idiotic questions from supposedly followers of this blog.
And why is preventing genocide a "Muslim" country problem and not one for all of humanity? NATO bombed Serbia & Libya using R2P? Why isn't anyonekicking out Isreali diplomats and barring Israeli citizens from their countries?
Posted by: Suresh | Mar 31 2024 21:59 utc | 26
Posted by: librul | Mar 31 2024 17:13 utc | 18My take is that the betrayal can't be proven in the present environment, but it surely does look like it happened. The problem that goes with getting the citizens of Israel to realize that they where betrayed, is that the realization won't happen unless Israel suffers an enormous setback. That will produce a desire to scapegoat the leadership, and the betrayal will be treated as a fact.
@Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 31 2024 14:58 utc | 7
That's reasonable: if they lose, the betrayal story will out and a scapegoat will be found. But before we consider that, perhaps good to reflect that a high percentage of Israelis
a) know the main story is self-serving propaganda but
b) don't care because it gives them all great talking points with which to justify clearing the hated untermensch rats out of their basements; a bit of collateral damage is perfectly acceptable.
Exile | Mar 31 2024 14:54 utc | 6. wrote:
It’s unlikely that the IDF prevails on either the Northern, Southern, or any other front. Blind Rage atrocities are a tell of a frustrated, demoralized military
Alastair Crooke told Judge Napolitano that Israel's leaders have "lost control" of IDF. Soldiers are rampaging; unlike US military, there are no intermediary officers to direct or control fighters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uy6KVHRB30
Posted by: ChasMark | Mar 31 2024 22:25 utc | 28
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 31 2024 20:07 utc | 22
at the risk of ---
Norman Finkelstein, in a long conversation with Chris Hedges, carefully detailed: YES, Hamas had a military plan, primarily to take hostages, that involved relatively little death & destruction.
But once Hamas breached barriers, other Palestinians entered and were far less disciplined than the original Hamas force; overcome with thoughts of vengeance, perhaps. The death toll from this group was higher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eEz22kyukY
Posted by: ChasMark | Mar 31 2024 22:33 utc | 29
Ive seen comments like the one Im about to write, and thought they were over the top. But now Im sure there is truth in them, and its come down to this. The Zionists do have way too much control over America. They think they are better than others. I am a non practising Jew on my Maternal Grandfathers side. A relative someways back was sent to Australia on a convict ship. He stole Gold and valuables equivalent at the time to buy 10 houses. Tens of millions in todays $. Most of the convicts stole food to feed the family. I guess he thought big. Point is I can call out the Jews without being called a Jew hater. Its a fact Jews stick to gether and give fellow Jews preferences in Movie Roles, Govt Jobs etc. They are deeply involved in criminal enterprises to the detriment of the USA. They are a parasite. They blackmail, lie and cheat at high levels etc. They have fantasies about being the chosen race. Pure BS. The world needs to stand up to them and make a two state solution happen. BTW lets stop this myth right here. Israeli soldiers when the run in Gaza they look like girls. They rune like sissies. They are scared sh..less. Jews made the myth of Israeli super soldiers as a shield because they are not good soldiers why? Because their true religion is self. Themselves. They dont have that bravery and courage like Russians, Kiwis, Australians, scots, Irish, Germans have. And Americans too. But these days you gotta filter out much of the US population to find the good stuff. Due to drugs, crime social breakdown, masses of invading illegals. America you are in great great trouble. If you dont get Trump....its all over for you
Posted by: Jak Jones | Mar 31 2024 23:14 utc | 30
The well-known images of hundreds of destroyed cars at the rave venue from Oct7, piled up on both sides of the road, make a very clear point. This could not possibly have been done by Hamas militants with small arms and the odd RPG. It could only have been achieved by helicopters with chain guns. It is beyond any question the IDF that caused that destruction. It’s surprising (not) that no-one in the 4R media shows any curiosity as to exactly how that scale of destruction was physically caused.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 31 2024 23:15 utc | 31
The Plan Is To Turn Palestine Into A Historical Footnote So It’s Too Late To Save It
That's the title of Caitlin's latest post, which brings to mind Joe Sacco's peerless classic Footnotes in Gaza -- a nonfiction graphic novel, written in 2006; an investigation into fifty-year-old atrocities, massacres of hundreds in Khan Younis and Rafah in 1956, scarcely noticed geopolitical footnotes today...
https://archive.org/details/footnotesingaza0000sacc_j9j4
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 31 2024 23:17 utc | 32
Posted by: ChasMark | Mar 31 2024 22:33 utc | 29
I don't think they have the numbers to justify any death toll, let alone a higher one attributable to the "2nd wave" of Gazans, many of whom were unarmed or armed only with small pistols/rifles. The IOF is likely responsible for the vast majority of deaths, including the hundred (or was it 200+ ?) that were so badly incinerated it took weeks to ID them. Hamas just didn't have the ability to do that, either.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 1 2024 0:00 utc | 33
This author is new to me, so it's possible someone has shared this at MoA in the past few weeks.
https://dlieb10gmailcom.substack.com/p/the-new-sicarii
Pretty interesting stuff.
There is no escape — the world identifies Jews with genocide of the Palestinian people and will not allow the Zionists to continue to play victim. Israel calls itself a Jewish state and millions of Jews throughout the world voice praises for that state. Having foreign Jews acquiesce to the slaughter of innocents generates additional animosity to the already despised Zionists. The Jews face a hostile world.This hostility is not unique. Throughout ancient history, and buried from general knowledge, Jewish tribes were involved in horrific wars, suffered wrath and generated wrath, and lived a blood-soaked history that injured others and caused themselves to be decimated. Self-destructive forces have been prevalent throughout Jewish history and brought tragedy to Jewish populations. The Zionists are heirs of the original Sicarii, assuming the role of uniting Jews to self-destruction and destruction of others. A specific element in the Zionist genocide of the Palestinian people, which is absent in other genocides, shows the world the existence of the Sicarii in contemporary Israel and sends an alert to take strong action to prevent the destruction the Sicarii have planned for the people of the Levant. Jews, euphoric about gaining a slice of the universe for themselves, have been unaware of the horrors committed upon others and upon them. A world awakened too late to the genocide of the Palestinian people remains unaware of the horrors still to come.
Some regard them as the first political terrorists and writting the narrative on terrorism. Rejecting other landscapes but their narrow view of the world, they believed their inner might could defeat the invincible Romans. They killed co-religionists who refused to continue the battle. By using concealed daggers to dispatch their foes, the assassins acquired the name Sicarii ─ a suicide-prone sect that took fellow Jews with them to death.
The Sicarii played a principal role in provoking the Roman onslaught against the Jewish population in Jerusalem and the eventual destruction of the city. Their characteristics — victimhood, no compromise, use of daggers to resolve issues, generating hate, and creating victims
History tells us that populations never learn from history and proceed to commit the same mistakes. The Jews have followed this principle; Sicarii have been prevalent throughout Jewish history and brought tragedy to Jewish populations.
After Nebuchadnezzar II conquered and destroyed Jerusalem in 586 B.C., and a substantial number of Hebrews exiled to Babylon, these Hebrews were involved in a massacre. Not supported by historical documents, the Jewish feast of Purim celebrates an escape from death, from being marked for extinction by Haman, an advisor to Persian Emperor Xerxes. Many Jews refuse to recite the Megilla, the Book of Esther, that tells a dark part of the story, the Jewish massacre of 75,000 Persians, including Haman’s children.
This ancient history is obscure and unproven. Here is an excerpt from A critical evaluation of causalities of the genocide in Esther 3:8–15: Lawlessness and revolt of the Jewish diaspora community, Temba T. Rugwiji Sep 28, 2022, HTS Teologiese Studies / Theological Studies. [...continues...]
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 1 2024 0:02 utc | 34
How to hold Israel accountable for torturing Palestinians
Samah Jabr
27 March 2024 12:14 GMT
Amid a surge in torture cases since 7 October, there is an urgent need for health professionals to properly document such atrocities
Israeli soldiers transfer detained Palestinians out of the Gaza Strip on 21 November 2023 (Menahem Kahana/AFP)
Torture remains a pervasive reality in Palestine, where countless individuals have endured unspeakable physical and psychological trauma at the hands of Israeli forces.
This has been an especially serious problem since the Gaza war began on 7 October, with Palestinians telling Middle East Eye that they have been physically tortured with dogs and electricity, subjected to mock executions, and held in humiliating and degrading conditions. One man described how he was handcuffed, blindfolded and detained in a metal cage for 42 days.
Addressing such grave human rights violations demands a comprehensive approach, including the development of specialised skills for healthcare professionals tasked with documenting and treating survivors.
Trained in the Istanbul Protocol for torture documentation, I have dedicated myself to equipping fellow professionals with the necessary tools to navigate this challenging terrain.
As violence continues to escalate - with torture not restricted to detention centres, but also witnessed in the streets of the occupied Palestinian territories and captured on video - it is more imperative than ever to bolster health workers’ capacities to document such incidents, thus amplifying the voices of survivors in their pursuit of justice.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-hold-israel-accountable-torturing-palestinians
Posted by: Lydia Gorbik | Apr 1 2024 0:33 utc | 35
Richard medhurst has the full audio and some commentary regarding the UK legal advice on Israel breaching international law
https://youtu.be/6gKSBah667o?si=ZeUKWCcpb6sGutcu
Posted by: Hankster | Apr 1 2024 1:08 utc | 36
@25
"...defense cooperation should have been severed by London" ... when Britain left the region, in 1948.
FCDO has around 50 lawyers as legal advisors
Oct 2023, not the above lawyers but an example:
That the obvious is "leaked" is more likely UK political mangle at work, part of the spectacle, and if not will be processed to that end.
While the US is supportive, the rest changes little.
Is anyone actually going to find their way to Palestine to defend people there ? Even Arab rulers must think of their own nations first, in spite of popular discontent. Put differently, of those not complicit in some way, they know what will happen if they take part. They might "win" but the cost would be too high.
Western remorse and a shift in attitude is mentoned ? A million Iranians, several hundred thousand Iraqis later etc. ... and ?
ICC and UN are politicised. In the west once the headlines change most will go home . In the middle-east it all just matches the pre-existing local view.
Saudi, UAE, Kuwait, Egypt and more all have their mega projects, it is where rulers see their countries headed, towards western. The locals often not so much so.
So they will get away with what they choose in Palestine, barring regional conflict and direct confrontation with Russia.
Interesting video @36 , different letter than the above I think. Clarity there is that only once western countries change their leadership will there be any effect. Reality at shift is often weak parliaments, placatory in nature but dedicated to underhand technocratic tactic.
Posted by: Ornot | Apr 1 2024 1:46 utc | 37
@ Tom Q Collins 34
Thanks for the link and the story of Sicarii. The last name "Sicard" is apparently a Jewish name - of this I was not aware and this ignorance was a handicap.
Posted by: fanto | Apr 1 2024 2:50 utc | 38
Do you care if the genocidal psychopathic entity...Posted by: librul | Mar 31 2024 13:29 utc | 1
I encounter that figure of speech, "entity", all the time in that context. Entity, entity, entity. Again and again, ad nauseum. I don't know when and how that usage originated, but it's very popular among Islamists, whom I suppose you are echoing. The problem with it is obvious though.
If we were to search for the "entity", we would find the land, a bunch of people doing stuff, and various material objects like buildings, cars, guns, menorahs, razor wire, and so on. Oh, yeah, we'd find some torah scrolls, too. I almost forgot about that. LOL. How careless of me during the Simchat Torah War.
We could find also maps with words like Yisrael written in the square letter script upon them, but searching the land itself would lead to no "entity" of the sort that you mention. Just land, some people, and the stuff to which they are clinging.
The land long predated the declaration of the State of Israel. The people who declared it didn't change what they were by their declaration. Houses, cars, etc. are just these. No new thing came into existence at the moment of declaration in 1948. There was no new "entity".
What changed was how the Jewish bosses and hoi polloi there were organized in Palestine. They changed what they were doing sometimes, and they started writing מְדִינַת יִשְׂרָאֵל much more frequently on various pieces of paper. They changed how they identified theirselves to the world, too. And of course they published some maps with lines and shaded areas to distinguish their territory from the surrounding areas.
So is not their state a fictional "entity", like a corporation? People say that it exists, and they act as if it exists, and they may become agitated when thinking and talking about it. Yet for all that sound and fury, the State of Israel is no more real than a ghost. No one can truthfully say that Israel has a right to exist.
Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 1 2024 3:22 utc | 39
Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 1 2024 3:22 utc | 39
Entity, def.:
a thing with distinct and independent existence, physical legal or economic.
Your argument unduly rests upon a over-stretched view of this term. The notion of 'fictional' vs natural character of the asserted entity is a largely relativist one and is wholly irrelevant to the points Librul makes.
Posted by: Greg | Apr 1 2024 4:56 utc | 40
Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 1 2024 3:22 utc | 39
I liked your comment..so I thought I would offer a definition of entity for your consideration because fictional entity denotes so much.
Fictional entity is a declaration/recognition of sovereignty; its attributes include authority, ownership..and management. The declaration involves a scope (depth, width, length and reach). Generally reach of influence and enforcement of authority define the entity.
An often occuring Example: States privatize their monopoly powers, properties, and authorities when they grant charters, contracts or resources to entities (corporations or contractors). Once formed, the entity operates as as state, its benefactors its citizens, so the entity accumulates resources and profits independent of the state for the benefit of a privileged few. This process is sometimes classified as privatization.
All of the states in the nation state system are divide and conquer fictions. What sets them apart is the source of authority by which they claim the authority to be an entity. Use of force, right of self determination, etc.
Posted by: snake | Apr 1 2024 5:30 utc | 41
United States congressman Tim Walberg from Michigan says the quiet part out loud.
Congressman rebuked for call to bomb Gaza ‘like Nagasaki and Hiroshima’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/31/tim-walberg-republican-congressman-gaza
The Gaza genocide is truly an ultraviolet light that reveals sociopaths.
Posted by: ak74 | Apr 1 2024 5:35 utc | 42
The word entity to me signifies that nobody else accepts the claims or assumptions made by that entity.
The word entity signifies blatant deception, as if one was talking about a fictional person or cause.
The current British Conservative Party and Labour Party are both entities because their current status depends on electoral fraud in the 2019 election. The administrators of the election were under control of Tory MP Peter Lilley and the fake result also forced Jeremy Corbyn to resign.
If these shenanigans had not happened the Ukrainian Jew would not be in power in Kiev and the Ukrainian Jews would not be in power in Tel Aviv.
The US knows that they can only commit war crimes if the UK supports them 100%. The opinion of Lawyers is merely a sop to.public opinion.
We know that the venture political class of both countries is owned by Israel.
Having said all that they are few and we are many. The election looms and voters won't be conned this time.
Only new , untarnished faces will satisfy electorates that are disgusted by the USUKIS genocide in Palestine.
Israel cracking up . Its leadership is exposed by its own Haaretz. Its military is out of control and its population is leaving fast. It cannot exist as a pariah state, whose only function is to keep its criminal PM out of jail.
Remember how long Sharon lay in a coma after imprisoning the Palestinians in Gaza. Israel knows that it cannot afford the backlash of world opinion, time and time again when Ukrainian mafia take over their government. Enough is enough . No more road left for USUKIS.
Feed the Palestinians. Check mate.
Israel is finished . US is finished. Empire2 Tories are finished. Good riddance to the USUKIS empitity.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 5:57 utc | 43
Truly amazing that people can so readily and energetically attach so much baggage of personal belief to a word (entity) and then accuse the word and its selection of being at fault.
The word is what it is - a descriptor of a very broad but functional meaning. Invoking selective sub-definitions from that breadth as being the innate character of the word itself is an entirely imaginary exercise. It does nothing more than fill the discussion space with fog and indeterminable speculation.
Librul uses the word correctly in its broad sense and has triggered a multi-polar odyssey into the infinite depths of onanistic naval gazing. FFS!! There's serious shit happening out there. But then maybe that's why people seek to bury their heads in these cushions of comparative meaninglessness.
Posted by: Greg | Apr 1 2024 7:10 utc | 44
The term 'entity' can relate to a vast range of things including: a person, a spirit, a landscape, a legally or socially recognised assemblage of people and/or people's interests.
The equivalent range could equally be termed 'thing'.
Evidently due to connotations arising out of N.W.O, 'Great Reset' and So. Cit. politics, some people have assigned a very narrow character to the term 'entity'. This character has become so powerfully imbued to them that they can't disarm that word's trigger value. Thus Librul's correctly simple usage of the term isn't read.
To avoid this patterned language response he should have instead denoted the AngloZionist force by writing: "Do you care if the genocidal psychopathic thing... "
Maybe 'thing' is actually more evocative of the truth.
'Entity' does convey a gravitas that this evil incarnate should not be afforded.
More broadly this illustrates how we can let language get in the way of understanding just as much as facilitating it. We need to try to think of the context the author intended rather than leap immediately to our own preferred construction.
Posted by: Greg | Apr 1 2024 7:29 utc | 45
Should be 'Sov Cit'.
Auto correct seems to be the closest thing ever to a perpetual motion machine.
Posted by: Greg | Apr 1 2024 7:31 utc | 46
Greg 44
The shit you mention is obfuscated by the word entity. A large part of the problem is the deception either by AI using neutral words like entity or humans. When a neutral word is used euphemistically to describe shit, the word rapidly comes to gain shit connotations.
Maybe for you words mean what you want the to mean. Doesn't work like that. Sometimes words mean the opposite, because they are seen to be euphemistic or obfuscation.
Of course if USUKIS was a truthful power, genuinely interested in the survival of smaller nations, and different customs, and truthful reporting, one wouldn't have to interpret words as the opposite of their actual meanings.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 9:35 utc | 47
ak74
“United States congressman Tim Walberg from Michigan … calls to bomb Gaza ‘like Nagasaki and Hiroshima’; to “get it over quick”
Traditionally a rhetoric device called “Godwin’s law” states that in a political argument, the first side that resorts to a reference or analogy to the Nazis of WW2, has by doing so conceded defeat.
This rests on the smug assumption that the Nazis’ conduct was such an extreme of evil as to be separate from any possible current acts of nations or government, and arguing for similarity was a sign of irrational over-the-top exaggeration.
Well Godwin’s Law is past its sell by date; today’s Anglo-Zionist states are giving Adolph Hitler a run for his money. Such that arguing a form of Godwin’s law - such as in censorship policies - is simply to give a convenient smoke-screen to those who are carrying out coldly premeditated genocide. With all the acts of gratuitous sadism that can correctly be likened to Nazi conduct in WW2 where - as now in Israel - powerful states created an environment of impunity for murderous and barbaric acts.
Congressman Walberg’s call explicitly to nuke Gaza is just one of many such utterances by politicians in Anglo-Zion world, such as the Democrat politician who in response to a rhetoric question “how many more Gazans need to die” called out “all of them”. And regarding Ukraine, US public figures call openly for killing of Russian civilians with no push-back at all. And Blackwater’s CEO calls for a return to militaristic colonialism and violent rule of Africa, and mainstream media are happy with this.
One could go on with such quotations. The conclusion that Anglo-Zion world is the actual Fourth Reich is impossible to avoid. Where the seed of that ideology having hidden for several decades has burst out into the open again. Where such open calls for genocide are met with acquiescence, even agreement.
Who really won WW2?
Militarily it was one side.
Ideologically it was the other.
A Fourth Reich supremacist and genocidal entity should be a hard sell, but they have found an effective way to promote it. A technique of gaslighting and double-speak. Thus the U.S. and U.K. simultaneously send bombs and other equipment to kill Gazans and talk publicly about sending aid. How Biden talks about “once this is over” we can go back to being nice again and coerce everyone to forget what they have just seen. Flickering alternation between genocidal brutality and compassionate earnestness to do good. To bewilder, hypnotise and obtain demoralised, confused acquiescence.
Thus also Walberg wants Gaza exterminated with Hiroshima like speed (although radiation killed people there for half a century) - so that the double-act can switch back to its good phase. A good cop bad cop gaslighting of an entire generation. Thus also Sunak’s impatience in the U.K. House of Commons - “no one wants this (Gazan genocide) to go one one second longer than necessary.” The flicker has to be quick in order to work.
How was this “democracy” that we deify capable of creating our current monstrous western hive-state? And is it capable of undoing it? Or has it long become an illusion, lipstick on a pig of dictatorship?
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Apr 1 2024 9:44 utc | 48
Be sure to vote with your wallet, everybody! :) That includes slow rolling your expenditures on Western mega-corporation products! Be the straw upon the camel's back...
Posted by: titmouse | Apr 1 2024 9:44 utc | 49
In Israel there are several
Political entities,
1/ socialist and strongly anti Nazi, a legacy of Soviet Jewry.
2/ alt Right Likud revisionist zionism, a legacy of Urainian Nazism
3/ Urban Liberals a legacy of Western societies
4/ Western, West Asian , African and many other nation Talmudic Jews
5/ Christian Zionists who see Judaism in terms of Moses 10 commandments, pre- Talmudic religion.
6/ Muslims some Indigenous and some not.
These individual entities all see Palestine as a Holy Land which is why they live there. I would like to live there myself. But currently , because of US funding , power is concentrated in the hands of the most corrupt entity, the Ukrainian Nazis that the US is supporting against Socialist Russia, but who are also being supported by the US against all the other components of Israeli society who.live there because it is Holy place.
The Ukrainian Nazis are only interested in the fictional entitlement of Jews to Palestine and Euphrates to the Nile beyond that.
It's not difficult to see why the Anglosaxon Empire2/ hegemony colonialists support the Ukrainian Nazis.
Israel is not one umited entity as Western media like Crooke call it, but a kaleidoscope that the West is smashing by supporting the small Ukrainian Nazi faction against the rest and by repeating all the October 7 Likud lies about who did the killing.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 10:12 utc | 50
JUST SEEN THIS - ACCURATE OR NOT? WOULD WELCOME ANOTHER VIEWPOPINT -
The Latest Jordanian Unrest Hints At Hamas’ Desperation
ANDREW KORYBKO 1 APRIL 2024
With their back against the wall and on the brink of being militarily defeated, the only realistic chance of saving themselves is to open up another regional front that could possibly distract Israel from finishing its campaign, ergo why Hamas and its ideological allies are stirring up trouble in Jordan all of a sudden.
Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Apr 1 2024 10:28 utc | 51
As far from an April fools joke as you can get.
Norwegian Dr. Mads Gilbert on the destruction of Al-Shifa
Mads Gilbert 14 min.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 1 2024 10:29 utc | 52
Here's a question.
The Israeli Air force can operate with impunity over Lebanon and Syria.
No anti aircraft missiles etc to make them feel nervous.
What's the story?
Stand off weapons?
Posted by: jpc | Apr 1 2024 10:39 utc | 53
Posted by: ak74 | Apr 1 2024 5:35 utc | 42
I am Japanese,,,but I do not feel that much anger over the dropping of the atomic bomb.
I accept that it was karma for Imperial Japan, and that Japan deserved it considering the many acts of aggression it committed against neighboring Asia before getting there.
However, what I find perverse about this story as a Japanese is what the hell the Palestinians did, and in the metaphor above,
I feel why that it is not the Israelis who will be the ones to receive retribution in the end.
Imperial Japan, in its attempt to expand, tried to strip the land of the people of the surrounding area in every way possible.
The settlements in Manchuria and Mongolia were carried out by immigrant groups that were organized violently, and I hear that the locals were driven out by various threats, just as they are in Israel today.
I am not so angry about the atomic bombings that my country suffered at that time, because it looks those evil acts resulted in the burning of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
On the other hand, when you consider the situation in the Middle East, the Palestinians
, Muslims will only want to remain in their homeland.
Instead, they lived there first, and then the Zionists came in, and this would be nothing more than a bad joke to have atomic bombs falling on the heads of the Palestinians who lived there.
it sounds like as bad joke as the atomic bombs falling on the heads of the peoples of Asia for the crime of resisting the march of the Empire of Japan.
Posted by: Nokaz | Apr 1 2024 10:54 utc | 54
Geraint ap Iorwerth 51
USUKIS wants Israel's neighbours to resist. The US has sent Israel enough bombs to smash all resistance by air.
They're just waiting for an excuse to do it.
Just as they used the Hamas attack as an excuse to commit genocide against Palestine. USUKIS is on a mission, stated clearly by Nutjob at the UN to change the map of the Middle East.
Unfortunately Hamas were wrongly advised by Political Islam in Qatar and Saudi Arabia, who are now sitting finger on cheek observing the destruction and persecution.
Normalisation with Israel is the name of the game. Biden and Sunak romp through their elections on a jingoistic triumph of murdering Muslims.
Only when the Greater Israel from the Euphrates to the Nile is established will the political finger come off the political cheek. Oh dear , Fait Accompli we'd better Normalise with the Empire of Israel. You take Yemen for your East-West overland trade route, and we will buy shares in it to fund it.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 11:27 utc | 55
Posted by: Nokaz | Apr 1 2024 10:54 utc | 54
You seem gaslit enough to miss the fact that there was no need to use Nukes on a Japan that was already suing for peace.
Anyway...
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 1 2024 11:56 utc | 56
Sicarii, a semi-religious militia using profits from robbery, contract killing and kidnapping to support a vague messianic ideology - not Jewish nationalists nor especially anti-Roman, just hoping for power.
Well worth reading the full article: Israel: Masada 2024? JULIAN MACFARLANE 22.02.24
eg. * Come to think of it maybe Masada and the Sicarii are the symbols of Israel today. Israel's Masada complex tells us more than Zionists would like to admit.
* Israel seems to want war with everyone.
* Then again, Masada never really happened.
In the last analysis, most people would rather live than die.
The Sicarii didn't commit suicide – they just wanted money and power.
Isn't that what Zionism is all about?
Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Apr 1 2024 11:57 utc | 57
The Latest Jordanian Unrest Hints At Hamas’ Desperation
13 hours ago|
By Andrew Korybko
|Survive the News
The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan has been rocked by large-scale protests in response to senior Hamas officials’ orders for Muslims to march into Palestine to assist them in their struggle against Israel. The Muslim Brotherhood’s local wing, which is allied with Hamas from whom they share the same ideological origins, is responsible for the unrest and saw some of its prominent youth members arrested. The timing of these developments hints that Hamas is becoming desperate to expand the conflict."
This is a classic Russian interpretation of Political Islam.
But it isn't Hamas that is desperate for West Asia to stay peaceful, it is Russia. They are fighting Nato in West Asia with one hand tied behind their backs in Ukraine.
Political islam calculates that this is too much for Russia to handle on its own and China will be drawn in to a global conflict.
In reality Russia has shown already that Political Islam's choice to help Israel 50 years ago in Yugoslavia is Islam's choice. They can only advise Islam that they're being duped.
Eastern Europe has been bought for a pittance by BlackRock, Ukraine and Israel been destroyed by USUKIS.
Until Islam throws out its elites that support USUKIS, Islam will continue to be kicked around by USUKIS. The Muslims call it Harlats or disasters, but everybody knows in their hearts that when you drive recklessly it's not an accident when you crash.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 12:07 utc | 58
What I find interesting is socotra island. There's a israeli military base there and has been for near a decade , usa is building a base there as well. Nothing no missiles pulverising it as should be the case . I know it was taken over to ring Iran and they seem OK with it as well.
Posted by: Hankster | Apr 1 2024 12:54 utc | 59
Geraint ap Iorwerth 57
I have been to Masada and have the Israeli T shirt take on it.
The Qur'an mentions massacres of Jews after Rome's intervention in Palestine as being God's Will because they rejected the teachings of Jesus/ 'Eesa AS.
The Qur'an sees the spiritual crime of denying God's messengers as far more heinous than thuggery and robbery, evil though they are.
The point is that after the Captivity in Babylon the Jews wrote the racist, supremacist Talmud which they brought back to Jerusalem. Prophet 'Eesa was sent to correct those errors and others, but the Talmudist Rabbis refused to listen and the people were much influence by polytheist beliefs of Rome and India.
The inference from this is that God will only punish the Jews for spiritual deviation because sins like genocide flow from spiritual deviation.
You can argue that God is punishing Political Islam for making worldly Power the ultimate goal of Islam, not the afterlife.
The criterion is not that any power which benefits the Muslims makes the ends justify the means. The criterion is whether the Muslims are teaching the non Muslims about how to worship God and reach Paradise.
The Sunni scholars of Islam outside of political Islam are doing this work and helping Muslms do education and charitable work . Political Islam believes that Conversion to Islam must be by Conquest, which is how their home nations became Islamic.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 13:08 utc | 60
Decided they weren't killing enough journalists, so they are going to close down the news networks themselves.
Tell me this is not fascist:
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on the Knesset to pass the so-called Al Jazeera law this evening, which would allow the government to shut down foreign news networks operating in Israel.
The law would allow the prime minister and the minister of communications to order the closure of foreign networks in Israel and confiscate their equipment if they believe they pose "an actual harm to the state's security".
Netanyahu promised to "immediately act to close Al Jazeera" after the law passes.
The prime minister's Likud party said that he spoke with coalition whip Ofir Katz to ask him to ensure the bill's passing through second and third readings today.
Posted by: teri | Apr 1 2024 13:14 utc | 61
Israel delivers a proposal on Saturday to close UNRWA and create a new group to deliver humanitarian aid. Like wow. All tostrip and bury the right of return . Because no other body in Gaza could deliver aid better than UNRWA and everyone knows it.
Posted by: Hankster | Apr 1 2024 13:18 utc | 62
Posted by: teri | Apr 1 2024 13:14 utc | 61
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All governments are fascistic when push comes to shove. If they aren't sufficiently fascistic, a fascist regime will overcome them.
I believe that America still has people locked up without conviction for the January 9 protests which undermines all necessity to have swift trials. All of those "Conservative" politicians have stopped trying to free them as they are tortured and abused in abysmal gulag-esque situations.
That's the nature of power. Governments are rarely the "good guys". Everything that they do, they take from someone else.
It's like having an abusive parent. You hope they come home and pass out drunk, rather than beat the entire family black and blue.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 1 2024 13:31 utc | 64
Zionazis doing what Euro Fascists have been doing for centuries - genocide.
They will not be allowed to carry on with their Illegal Apartheid Entity - all its ‘ravenous bloodthirsty settlers are GUILTY in Joint Enterprise- the crime, and punishment will be a total dismantling of the colonised Levant and expulsion of the illegal imperial migrants back to where they originated from or whoever wants the callous robbers and cut throats.
‘ 🔴 IDF Implements ‘Extermination Areas’ in Gaza - Where Any Palestinian Man, Woman, or Child Who Enters Those Zones is Neutralized (Haaretz)
‘Extermination areas’ - illegal under international law - but permitted under the US’ ‘rules-based order.’
@RiseGS ‘
There are some many vids of dead kids and unarmed adults by zionazi snipers - for them hanging is too good. A lifetimes hard Labour on bread water is what they deserve and vasectomies.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 1 2024 13:43 utc | 65
Add Ecocide to the long and growing list of Israeli barbaric criminal Genocidal war crimes - IDF has destroyed farms, olive groves and greenhouses that provide essential food supplies - no Hamas tunnels under them, Watch this incredible video of GPS satellite data:
https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/ecocide-in-gaza
Posted by: bill wolfe | Apr 1 2024 13:54 utc | 66
Your argument unduly rests upon a over-stretched view of this term. The notion of 'fictional' vs natural character of the asserted entity is a largely relativist one and is wholly irrelevant to the points Librul makes.Posted by: Greg | Apr 1 2024 4:56 utc | 40
On the contrary, I constrained the definition to eliminate most of the common legalist notion of the word. As you wrote, an entity is "a thing with distinct and independent existence". Ok, fine, but a thing is either exclusively material or not exclusively so. (If not, is it materio-spiritual? Pure spirit stuff? Something else?)
I have shown, I believe, that there is no material thing to call Medinat Yisrael, just the land, some people, and the stuff which some people are clinging to. None of these alone or together may be correctly called the state. Alleged corporations appear to be the same sort of thing. Their existence is declared by bad kings, politicians, bad lawyers, and go-getters to befog our thinking about what exists and what is going on.
Now it should be clear why you wrote "a largely relativist one". You don't have a coherent objection, much less a good definition of entity. So you spat out a buzz term much beloved by professors, lefty students, and activists who resort to thought stoppers when trapped in a debate they can't win without deceit. It was you who missed the point: librul misrepresented the brute facts of the situation. Your objection amounts to a complaint that the brute facts don't matter.
Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 1 2024 14:40 utc | 67
It was you who missed the point: librul misrepresented the brute facts of the situation. Your objection amounts to a complaint that the brute facts don't matter.
@Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 1 2024 14:40 utc | 67
Sigh...
Perhaps you would have preferred "occupation entity" (Kit Klarenberg has used the term "occupation state").
If not, could succinctly offer an alternative, thx.
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The post could use plenty of editing if only from the point of view of sentence structure. And rewrites are welcome.
But I like the raw form as it is genuine.
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I do wish, though, that I had added to the following:
"Also, if indeed key surveillance cameras were taken off line by Hamas that itself would set off a Red Alert!"
adding this:
"Imagine if Fort Knox, where the US is said to store it's gold, had a massive failure of it's security cameras. It wouldn't be, "call maintenance, they can fix it in the morning". No, it would be cause for a Red Alert and everything -- and everything else -- would descend upon Fort Knox in a fury. There is a military base right there."
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One more thing. Did I make it clear enough when it was Haaretz speaking and when it was my own commentary?
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Intend to provide an anthology for post#1 some time today(?)
Posted by: librul | Apr 1 2024 15:54 utc | 68
If not, could *you* succinctly offer an alternative, thx.
Posted by: librul | Apr 1 2024 15:55 utc | 69
Is Israel winning? Before the start of the gazacaust, if you pointed out that AIPAC controlled the US government, you got banned. Now it is openly discussed. And that toothpaste ain't going back in the tube.
That's a significant defeat. Have popcorn ready for the August Dem convention.
Posted by: JackG | Apr 1 2024 18:19 utc | 70
Ok, fine, but a thing is either exclusively material or not exclusively so. (If not, is it materio-spiritual? Pure spirit stuff? Something else?)
This was worked out in Classical times. The term is "res". The immaterial is called a form. An example would be the essence of "triangle". If it doesn't exist, you could never think about it or calculate its area.
Posted by: JackG | Apr 1 2024 18:27 utc | 71
Be the straw upon the camel's back...
Posted by: titmouse | Apr 1 2024 9:44 utc | 49
I chose self hosted WordPress instead of WIX the other day when I found out WIX is an 'Israeli' op.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 1 2024 18:29 utc | 72
You seem gaslit enough to miss the fact that there was no need to use Nukes on a Japan that was already suing for peace. Anyway...
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 1 2024 11:56 utc | 56
Yeah, even in the otherwise independent China there are also those you could consider 'gaslit' in their belief that the US nukes brought Japan to its knees or that it was done in response to Japanese imperial war crimes (as if the USA gave a hoot). Even GlobalTimes was not above it at one point.
They should consider themselves lucky, because once the US is charged for war crimes like Hiroshima and Nagasaki (and further light is shined on similar US war crimes in China, to say nothing of Soviet Russia being the real winner over Japan) it won't be that convenient anymore.
But I digress.
Posted by: joey_n | Apr 1 2024 19:30 utc | 73
"You seem gaslit enough to miss the fact that there was no need to use Nukes on a Japan that was already suing for peace. Anyway..."
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 1 2024 11:56 utc | 56
No, actually the real reason the US dropped the nukes because the USSR was heading East and the US wanted to stop the USSR from putting Japan in their camp as well to intimidate the USSR by illustrating they, the US, had the bomb.
Andrew Sarchus @ 31
Note also that every vehicle in those famous photos is white. How does that happen? Those cars were towed into position from a junkyard. Props department got cute and got lazy because the intended audience is blind.
Same business with white cars happened on Maui. It is become a signature for the stagehands.
Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 1 2024 19:56 utc | 75
Oldhippie 75
White cars reflect off the heat of the sun.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 22:28 utc | 76
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 9:35 utc | 47
The word is just a word that intrinsically carries a neutral meaning. You are loading it to suit your own desire. Don't expect others to accept your burden upon themselves.
Posted by: Greg | Apr 2 2024 1:18 utc | 77
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 9:35 utc | 47
Or, at least, loading it to accommodate the unreasoned desires of others. They need merely read past that word at its face value of signifying a discrete 'thing' and not become entrapped in obsession upon the shades of synthesis that might be apparent within that 'thing'. The latter is a consideration entirely separate to the term 'entity'. Mixing the two is a basis for half-arsed occultism and for much of the derision that is aimed at credibly founded 'conspiracy theorising'.
Posted by: Greg | Apr 2 2024 1:29 utc | 78
Most people in the US refused then to believe and even now refuse to believe that their government first provoked and then allowed the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Not surprising that Israelis now react the same way.
Posted by: Lysias | Apr 2 2024 1:45 utc | 79
At the time, Americans were prepared to believe the worst of Japanese. Same way now with Israelis' thinking about Palestinians.
Posted by: Lysias | Apr 2 2024 1:49 utc | 80
Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 1 2024 14:40 utc | 67
When you overstretch a thing you constrain its breadth, which is what you did.
Relativist simply means relative to the fundaments of a premised view of things, in this case yours and your ilk of thinking, and not to the innate universality breadth of the term.
You seem to have two dogmas simultaneously in the ring on this specific matter in contradiction to each other.
Librul may well have brutally tortured his facts. If so take them up with specificity. Your agony over the term entity isn't credible in fact or in relevance to that alleged brutality.
Posted by: Greg | Apr 2 2024 2:16 utc | 81
Posted by: Drive-By Shooter | Apr 1 2024 14:40 utc | 67
"Ok, fine, but a thing is either exclusively material or not exclusively so. (If not, is it materio-spiritual? Pure spirit stuff? Something else?)"
I struggle to work out the relevance of this distinction to the matter at hand but, aside from that:
Are you, individually, an entity?
Are you body and soul?
How in the personal context do you see the exclusivity of either material or non-material and how does that composition affect your designation as an entity?
Posted by: Greg | Apr 2 2024 2:23 utc | 82
now
·
Script 1 — For Senate Offices:
Tell Congress: Stop funding the Israeli military.
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2024/03/27/finally-the-un-passes-a-ceasefire-resolution/
My name is {Your Name}. I am a constituent of {Senator's Name}. In the wake of the U.N. Security Council's ceasefire resolution, I ask that the Senator firmly oppose sending any U.S. weapons and military funding to the Israeli government. Israel has killed over 32,000 Palestinians in five and a half months, and is now starving children to death. Ongoing U.S. support for the Israeli military is unconscionable and must end now. Thank you for your time.
Script 2 — For House Offices:
My name is {Your Name}. I am a constituent of {Representative Name}. In the wake of the U.N. Security Council's ceasefire resolution, I ask that the Representative firmly oppose sending any U.S. weapons and military funding to the Israeli government. Israel has killed over 32,000 Palestinians in five and a half months, and is now starving children to death. Ongoing U.S. support for the Israeli military is unconscionable and must end now. Thank you for your time.
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/resource/tell-congress-end-us-military-funding-to-israel/
Posted by: Lydia Gorbik | Apr 2 2024 2:30 utc | 83
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5owvmEVCEU
"US expresses concern about footage of Israeli executions at al-Shifa but slams Hamas"
US is so clearly under Israeli control.
How comes that there is no resistance on US universities?
Posted by: vargas | Apr 2 2024 10:46 utc | 84
b has refereed, intentionally or not, the use of the word 'entity'.
The first line of post #1 is thus amended to:
Do you care if the genocidal psychopathic zionist entity that has been thieving, murdering-at-will and oppressing Palestinians for decades exists in such a crazed state?
It is a long name. If it is allowed to remain in the UN
will that moniker fit on the name plaque at the UN?
Genocidal Psychopathic Zionist Entity
Posted by: librul | Apr 2 2024 14:30 utc | 85
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 1 2024 5:57 utc | 43
OT: Since you expressed an interest in Marlowe:
"The coin of the realm enabled other activities that serviced the circulation of specie.
While the mint or treasury guarded the state's right to create money, and counterfeiting was punishable by death, government intelligence networks often created counterfeit coin to finance their off-the-books or “black” operations.
The playwright-spy Christopher Marlowe, a contemporary of Shakespeare, was involved in one such operation in the late 1500s.
There was a cottage industry of coin clippers who shaved the edges off coin to amass gold and silver. This is why today coins have a ribbed edge.
It is about 500 years since bankers helped to create the modern state, from warfare to welfare.
Bankers were allowed to create money, in a deal that let monarchs finance wars without having to asking the barons for money (risking overthrow, as happened to Charles I, king of England, Scotland and Ireland.)" (1)
1. Money Circus, April 1, 2024-substack
"Most people in the US refused then to believe and even now refuse to believe that their government first provoked and then allowed the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Not surprising that Israelis now react the same way."
Posted by: Lysias | Apr 2 2024 1:45 utc | 79
We are witnessing a replay that happened in 1939 when the US provoked Japan and 2014 US V Russia:
"Accordingly, the Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, imposed a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. “On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials.” Under this authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.” Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.” Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.”[2] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia."(1)
It appears that Israel will get away with their ethic cleansing.
The rest of the Muslim World—which could stop this outrage tomorrow if it wanted—is going to sit back and let it happen.
No amount of whining and fear-porn fantasizing will stop it either.
The West is getting a whole bunch more refugees…
Posted by: Ted Miller | Mar 31 2024 14:22 utc | 2
What most people don't get is that the regional Arab satrapies , the dictators and Kings of the Arabian peninsula, Egypt and Morocco, see Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood as a threat to their own power, since they claim, like Iran, that such undemocratic rule is unIslamic and therefore needs to be overthrown.
As far as the satrapies are concerned, Israel is doing their work for them. That's why the UAE is supplying Israel with replacement imports for what the brave Houthis are risking so much to block. That's why none of these counts are doing anything of substance to help the Palestinians, for whom they could care less, and provide only a fig leaf of airdropped aid as their contribution merely to mollify their own domestic populations demands.
For those waiting for Arabs to unite and do something about this genocide, don't hold your breath.
Nothing will happen until a serious resistance develops within all these
satrapies that overthrows these stooges as a first step.
As long as they are in power, Israel will always be secure, which is the intention of the US in maintaining them in power, and was the intention of the post-Balfour British in installing them.
Posted by: Delhiliterally | Apr 2 2024 14:38 utc | 88
Fascinating.
No one posted for nearly four hours in this thread until I did.
Then 1 minute later came a "filler" post, followed 7 minutes later by 2 more posts.
Seen this before. When is it a 'Hasbara avalanche' intent on burying something they
don't want anyone to read, and when is it something else?
Posted by: librul | Apr 2 2024 14:48 utc | 89
Haaretz (in Hebrew) : The IDF fired three times at the aid convoy, the target of the attack left it before it set off
The convoy was attacked because an armed Hamas operative had joined the foreign volunteers, but it remained in the warehouse from which the trip began. According to security sources, after the first missile hit, the passengers tried to move to another vehicle - and were attacked a second and a third time
The strike was of course intentional. It had nothing to do with some 'Hamas operative'.
It was about Deterrence by Savagery. To deter all aid organization from any attempt to help people in Gaza.
Posted by: b | Apr 2 2024 15:10 utc | 90
Thank you, b.
Keep Palestine in our prayers on the long walk to the second Easter, everyone.
Posted by: juliania | Apr 2 2024 15:19 utc | 91
Dimi Reider | dimireider.substack.com @reider - 22:59 UTC · Apr 1, 2024The IDF's early explanation re the killing of the World Central Kitchen team is in - per "security sources" speaking to Haaretz. Before we get to the putative pretext for the attack, they also disclose a harrowing detail - the drone bombed the convoy THREE TIMES in succession.
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Link to the whole thread
Quds News Network @QudsNen - 12:31 UTC · Apr 2, 2024Satellite images show the distance between each bombed WCK vehicle and how the Israeli occupation army took their time to eliminate the entire crew with precision and premeditation.
The second car was bombed after it rescued the survivors of the first, while the third was bombed after it rescued the survivors from the second vehicle.
Image
@librul
Seen this before. When is it a 'Hasbara avalanche' intent on burying something they
don't want anyone to read, and when is it something else?
The simple fact is that no one is buying your conspiracy theory even after you have posted it like 20+ times.
Could there be sound reasons for that?
Why not ask those involved in this?
deeeeeee @revolutionaryem - 4:05 UTC · Apr 1, 2024---Thread 🧵
More than 2 weeks ago, “Israeli” media published a report about Hamas’ intelligence capabilities, who incredibly used everything at their disposal & managed to blind “Israel” on October 7 and execute the attack
Below is a ~rough~ translation of the article ...
deeeeeee @revolutionaryem - 4:05 AM · Apr 1, 2024This is an important read as it perfectly dismantles the false conspiracy that “Israel” coordinated the October 7 attack or erroneous claims that Hamas is an “Israeli” invention that works for the entity
Such dimwitted claims ignore the history of the Palestinian struggle and resistance, and feed into an orientalist narrative that “Israeli” intelligence is omniscient & cannot be outsmarted or defeated by the resistance— who has been battling it since its inception
Despite the superiority of the enemy in terms of equipment and western support and despite fighting an asymmetrical battle, the resistance utilized the tiniest details to its advantage and managed to bridge such a vast gap and humiliate “Israel”
in the most successful military operation of the century. “Israel”, unable to achieve a semblance of victory, abuses its airforce superiority on public infrastructure, hospitals, universities and civilians to regain its prestige that was trampled upon on that glorious day
October 7 was a glorious, well-planned and executed military operation that perfectly showcased to the world that the entity is truly weaker than a spider’s web. A fragile, weak-minded colony that will be dеstroyed by the hands of the resistance, God willing.
I translated this super interesting portion of a documentary a while ago of Al-Qassam foiling a plan by Sarayet Matkal, one of “Israel’s” most advanced units, to infiltrate the resistances’ communication system.
The resistance managed to even seize some of their equipment. ...
Posted by: b | Apr 2 2024 15:19 utc | 92
This is truly horrific, b. It goes with the 'corridor' being falsely targeted in Ukraine by the US spokeswomanperson in your recent post. It goes with the bombing of the undersea pipelines meant for civilian use. All of these are terrorist actions, and this one mercilessly focussed on human aid providers.
It is the entire focus now, on terrorism as state policy.
Okay, let's focus on that. Please everyone visit the link b has provided here. My candle is lit.
Posted by: juliania | Apr 2 2024 15:30 utc | 94
Many thanks b for staunching the 'Librul' flood of compounded nonsense regarding Israeli awareness of the Actober 7 attack.
What Librul cannot understand is that October 7-the 50th Anniversary of the 1973 Yom Kippur attack- was a day on which there must have been a multitude of alerts to the IDF and the goveenment. It was part of Hamas' genius to anticipate this and to take advantage of the confusion to attack on that day.
There is a tendency, particularly strong among north Americans, to deny any agency to Arabs or muslims and to attribute any intiaives on their part to the omnipotent, all seeing Empire.
Posted by: bevin | Apr 2 2024 15:44 utc | 95
The full (English) Haaretz piece on the World Central Kitchen convoy:
IDF Drone Bombed World Central Kitchen Aid Convoy Three Times, Targeting Armed Hamas Member Who Wasn't There (archived)
The strike on the aid convoy, which travelled along a route approved by the Israeli army, killed seven workers of the World Central Kitchen – but the target, an armed man thought to be a terrorist, never left the warehouse with the cars
This comes right after yesterday's piece of similar murder:
Israel Created 'Kill Zones' in Gaza. Anyone Who Crosses Into Them Is Shot (archived)
The Israeli army says 9,000 terrorists have been killed since the Gaza war began. Defense officials and soldiers, however, tell Haaretz that these are often civilians whose only crime was to cross an invisible line drawn by the IDF
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/al-shifa-hospital-ruins
A full rundown on the destruction of Al-Shifa, if you’ve got the stomach for it. This is what the description by Mads Gilbert was about, posted earlier by waynorinorway | Apr 1 2024 10:29 utc | 52.
Posted by: KMRIA | Apr 2 2024 16:16 utc | 97
Thanks for the additional reporting b in spite of it making me sad.
There needs to be a stop to the barbarism and this example of it by the religious cult in Occupied Palestine is providing a glaring example of the cancer in our species.
The barbarism cancer in our species is based on the hubristic notion of some being "more equal" than others. Monotheistic religions help perpetrate that hubristic and mythical differentiation.
I continue to posit that humanity is in a civilization war about the social contract that currently has the Pope Frank sanctioned God Of Mammon cult of global private finance running the show that is now being challenged by the growing China/Russia axis.
The shit show continues until it doesn't and its smells to high heaven these days.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 2 2024 16:19 utc | 98
@Posted by: b | Apr 2 2024 15:28 utc | 93
That is fascinating, b.
This is an important read as it perfectly dismantles the false conspiracy that “Israel” coordinated the October 7 attack or erroneous claims that Hamas is an “Israeli” invention that works for the entity
As you know, I have made neither of those two claims.
As to:
"orientalist narrative that “Israeli” intelligence is omniscient & cannot be outsmarted or defeated by the resistance".
I see stereotyping in that statement. I must be promoting an 'orientalist narrative' if I don't attribute success fully to the resistance.
It is simply just too bad that someone doesn't like sharing credit for the resistance's success with Israeli treachery.
When I had read ...
"There Are Certain Things I Can Not Write About"
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/11/there-are-certain-things-i-can-not-write-about.html
...I took it (mistakenly?) as hint that your site was hosted in subjugated Germany and thus you had limits about what you could post
and thus was protecting yourself and MoA.
Since that time a different website I had been reading was forced to remove all content regarding the Genocidal Psychopathic Zionist Entity.
I produced a lengthy anthology sourcing my 'conspiracy theory' and was preparing an updated one to post in this thread.
And, also, I know that you are mistaken when you wrote: ' no one is buying your conspiracy theory'
Here is the old one
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/02/palestine-open-thread-2024-058.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3abbe0d200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3abbe0d200b
Your opinion counts for a lot so I was quite saddened when I read it.
People can still make up their minds for themselves.
Looks as though Israeli news media agrees with deeeeeee @revolutionaryem .
But just because he agrees with Israeli news media no one is going to accuse deeeeeee @revolutionaryem of being their mockingbird.
"Unit 8200 could have saved Israel from Oct. 7; why hasn't it owned up to its failure?"
https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/11/23/unit-8200-could-have-save-israel-from-oct-7-why-hasnt-it-owned-up-to-its-failure/
The door is closing on US freedom and it won't be long before it too is thoroughly subjugated.
One day sites like MoA will just be a memory and people will hardly believe that there was time that they could actually express their opinions without their bank accounts being locked up, etc...
Sad day.
Posted by: librul | Apr 2 2024 16:28 utc | 99
@Posted by: librul | Apr 2 2024 16:28 utc | 99
Hit post too soon. Wasn't finished.
Posted by: librul | Apr 2 2024 16:37 utc | 100
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Do you care if the genocidal psychopathic entity that has been thieving, murdering-at-will and oppressing Palestinians for decades exists in such a crazed state?
Of course you care!
If it became revealed and thoroughly accepted by the citizens of Israel
that Israelis were treacherously betrayed on Oct 7th by their own trusted leaders
that would be a knock-out blow.
If you knew, **if you knew! and accepted!**, that your son or daughter died on Oct 7th
because of the treason of your leaders it would change Israel forever.
From Haaretz, Israel's "paper of record"
https://archive.is/9msVK
"IDF Allowed Rave Later Attacked by Hamas Despite Key Officer's Concern"
"The Gaza Division's operations officer, Lt. Col. Sahar Fogel, opposed the Nova rave taking place on October 7 near the border with Gaza, arguing that it was a needless security risk.
Furthermore, his objection was seconded by other officers, both at the Gaza Division and at the Southern Command headquarters. But in a conversation with the IDF's operations division, he was instructed to approve the event."
"During the days preceding the massacre, the system had received warnings that Hamas would try to attack on Israeli soil. The information was based on several sources who noticed alarming preparations by Hamas personnel, as well as intelligence that raised the concern growing among various security figures.
Haaretz has not been able to verify whether Lt. Col. Fogel was aware of this intelligence, or whether his opposition to the event was related to it.
Then came Oct. 7. Hours before the terror attack, the security establishment received signs and warnings leading to its decision to prepare – if only partially – for a terrorist incursion. But no IDF officer updated the thousands of revelers or the rave organizers of the fear of an attack, or demanded that they break up the party and leave the area."
Recalling that Israel had been in possession of Hamas' detailed plans for Oct 7th and they had it nearly a full year before Oct 7th. Detailed. Israel knew the Rave was in the danger zone, but the Rave was relocated to within 3 miles of the Gaza wall. People in Gaza could hear the Rave taking place.
If the world community saw that all the slaughter that Israel tries to justify because of Oct 7th
was the result of a treacherous scheme from Israeli leaders then Israel would be the pariah state it earned.
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Haaretz continued:
"In private conversations, some officers in the Gaza Division told of irregular conduct and pressure surrounding the approval of the party [Rave],"
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Though I speak of the Israeli leaders there were/are many hands.
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Israel was in possession of Hamas' Oct 7th jail break plan a full year before.
The entire political/intelligence/military leadership read Hamas' plan.
Israel recognized that Hamas' written plan for Oct 7th could not succeed without Israel's help.
Several months before Oct 7th Israel limited access to the information gained from monitoring Hamas' hand-held radio network to a select few insiders.
Israel claims that they stopped monitoring Hamas' hand-held radio network altogether, no one was monitoring (nonsense!). With this monitoring, sophisticated equipment could have pinpointed where Hamas was concentrated and where it was headed. This is huge! Also, Hamas radio traffic would have become volcanic during the jail break, establishing a major Red Alert.
Of course they have to make the excuse that they no longer had this ability. They need to cover up Israel's own assistance in the Hamas Oct 7th attack. They need to claim Israel was blinded as their surveillance cameras were sabotaged by Hamas. Note, though, with the push of a few buttons Israel could have disabled the surveillance themselves, so taking Israel's word on who brought down the surveillance cameras in actuality is suspect. Also, if indeed key surveillance cameras were taken off line by Hamas that itself would set off a Red Alert!
In the weeks and months before Oct 7th Israel had to intentionally ignore the alerts being sounded by border watchers.
They had to give a thumbs-down to written reports by intelligence officers
warning of an imminent Oct 7th (this happened!).
They had to pretend that they didn't know Hamas had been trying to lull them into complacency (Hamas had detailed in writing how they would cause complacency. It was in the Hamas Oct 7th plans, and Israel read them).
******They had to remove the vast majority of the IDF troops surrounding Gaza just in time for Oct 7th.****** This was paramount, if Israel wanted Oct 7th to be successful!
Once the jail break was under way support troops had to be delayed for hours. (They refuse to explain
why this happened, stating that they will "investigate" only after Hamas is defeated.)
They had to implement the Hannibal Directive in order to achieve maximum civilian casualties.
The confluence of too many huge failures and too many horrible decisions
to be a credible accident, it was premeditated.
Israel betrayed and slaughtered their own and then commenced to commit Genocide.
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Haaretz continued:
"In private conversations, some officers in the Gaza Division told of irregular conduct and pressure surrounding the approval of the party [Rave],"
Posted by: librul | Mar 31 2024 13:29 utc | 1