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March 27, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-092
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https://english.manartv.com.lb/2072897
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/hezbollah-responds-to-hebbariyeh-attack–hits–kiryat-shmona
IOF attacked a grouping of Sunnis in Western Lebanon. Presumably 7 paramedics. Presumably at the site where they are stationed and the ambulances are.
30 ish missile fired by Shiite Hezbolla to Kiryat Shmona
Kiryat Shmona is one of the northernmost towns of “israel” and is mostly Sephardic. 22,000.
Prior to 1948 Al-Khalisa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khalisa.
I would not be surprised if this section escalates.
Posted by: paxmark1 | Mar 27 2024 15:55 utc | 1
The Houthis resistance and militant group are in full control of the Red Sea.
Posted by: AI | Mar 27 2024 16:27 utc | 2
Russia and China should propose a UN resolution to boot “Israel” out of the UN until the jews promise to behave like Human Beings instead of blood-dripping-from-their-fangs Vampires.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 27 2024 16:56 utc | 3
Israeli propagandist behind Hamas ‘mass rape’ narrative exposed as grifter, fraud
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/25/israeli-propagandist-hamas-grifter-fraud/
Does anyone have less credibility than a Zionist?
Posted by: librul | Mar 27 2024 17:09 utc | 4
From the article @librul 4
“The allegations appeared just days after Elkayam-Levy received the prestigious Israel Prize.”
Makes me think of Obama accepting the Nobel Peace Prize and then about a week after his acceptance
speech he committed a war crime, slaughtering dozens of women and children in Yemen.
Let that sink in…the Israel Prize.
Posted by: librul | Mar 27 2024 17:15 utc | 5
It’s possible a Biden administration sponsored regime-change operation is underway directed at Netanyahu’s coalition. Who controls the nukes – the poltical leadership or the military? Defence Minister Gallant met yesterday with counterpart Austin with no evidence of tension or disagreement. From accumulated statements by U.S. officials since October, laying the blame on the most fanatic members of the governing coalition appears to be a viable option for U.S. interests moving forward. Otherwise, various legal and geo-political pressures continue to mount and are isolating Israel in ways its sponsors cannot answer or deflect.
Posted by: jayc | Mar 27 2024 17:26 utc | 6
Perfidious Netanyahu should have won the Israel Prize.
He betrayed and slaughtered his own on Oct 7th and then commenced to commit Genocide.
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Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Hundreds of thousands were tricked by their Zionist leaders to trustingly board the trains to Auschwitz.
The leader of the “Jewish Rescue Committee” was then protected by Israel after the war.
Posted by: librul | Mar 27 2024 17:43 utc | 7
Has anyone else been waking up every morning sick to your stomach and struggling to make sense of a world in which admittedly evil oppressors can openly work to destroy an entire people while the oppressed are at best de-personed (the always passive bylines/headlines such as “Food aid deaths”) and at worse continually subjected to nasty disclaimers alluding to the savagery of October 7 in every single “news” story?
I’m almost out of words at this point. I was donating to various Palestinian relief efforts for a few months in January and February, but at this point I can’t be sure the Zionists, including their Zioparts in the US government and banking industry aren’t just stealing all funds.
Living in near rural exurbia, and having to put food on the table I can’t really participate in any physical protests. What can someone like me do to help? At this point on this site it’s starting to feel like we’re just old men yelling at clouds.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 27 2024 17:44 utc | 8
“Has anyone else been waking up every morning sick to your stomach…”
everyday…everyfucking day.
it has dawned on me that this ‘impunity’ will be OUR DEMISE…what they’re getting away with here can be replicated on any undesirable population.
WE’RE ALL PALESTINIANS NOW!
Posted by: furies | Mar 27 2024 17:47 utc | 9
WE’RE ALL PALESTINIANS NOW!
Posted by: furies | Mar 27 2024 17:47 utc | 9
Completely accurate. It’s not even a metaphor; it’s the truth that hasn’t yet fully materialized for those of us not currently living in an active war zone or being cleansed of the land on which we live.
I don’t think most people get this. It’s just a matter of time.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 27 2024 18:03 utc | 10
…what they’re getting away with here can be replicated on any undesirable population.
Bingo. Though they might find it harder to kill people who haven’t been kept in concentration camps.
‘First they came for the Palestinians..and I didn’t speak out because I was not Palestinian.’
Civil society impotence..my impotence..is maddening. I have no words left. They use food as a trap and drone kill children, machine gun mothers and drive over helpless cripples with tanks. They are monsters clad in human form, the IDF.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 27 2024 18:05 utc | 11
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 27 2024 17:44 utc | 8
Posted by: furies | Mar 27 2024 17:47 utc | 9
I hear you. Physically sick. b was right about the descent into barbarism as the ruling classes sense the end. The massacre in Moscow was a prelude: western intelligence will open the vault and sow chaos. And Gaza? Yes, no words. Just immense sadness as the enlightenment pivots into its shadow once more…
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 27 2024 18:07 utc | 12
Civil society impotence..my impotence..is maddening.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 27 2024 18:05 utc | 11
Well said. Poetry is perhaps all we have left with which to bear witness. I cannot think of a prosaic way to render the unfathomable suffering being inflicted. Language itself fails.
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 27 2024 18:12 utc | 14
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 27 2024 18:11 utc | 13
One can only hope (what a word to use…) that Rafah will be the reach too far that will seal Israel’s doom. What to do with a rabid dog?
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 27 2024 18:14 utc | 15
This article on Guantanamo Bay is entirely apt to the conversation, IMHO.
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2024/03/19/twenty-two-years-after-it-was-created-guantanamo-bay-prison-remains-a-monstrosity/
Without even doing a deep dive, and focusing only on the headline for now, what does it say about the United States that this prison where torture was and likely is routine (just varies by the type), located illegally in another sovereign country, still ‘open’ and housing prisoners without charges or the benefit of due process for up to 22 years and going on 5 US presidential terms?
One need only look at that to understand why the US government, media, and people are, by varying degrees, OK to indifferent with not only this monstrosity, but the one being perpetrated in Gaza and greater Palestine as we speak.
And to my eyes it comes down to one thing, alluded to by furies as ‘impunity’, and which really bears out as complete lack of accountability both of our governments to the governed, and within these governments that purport to stand for democratic ideals and merit based elections, hiring and promotion.
Again, focusing only on the headline about Gitmo, we have seen successive presidential administrations, congressional and senate classes, deep state bureaucrats not only lie or dissemble to us plebes, but also fail upwards and get fat and rich in a system that rewards and bestows accolades upon them rather than punishing or demoting these people who range from criminals to sociopaths to incompetents.
And the toothless “adversarial” “free and democratic” press, i.e., “journalists” no longer speak truth to power, instead cozying up to it, making excuses for it, and praising it.
The system may appear to be broken, but all of those things are features not bugs. Throw in the police-prison state, mass surveillance (corporate, governmental and the fusion of the two), censorship, deplatforming, shadow banning, and muting of “dissident” (read: reasonable informed people’s) voices, drone and “AI” battle capabilities, and nearly complete control of the banking/financial systems.
Shit’s bleak unless you OBEY, CONSUME, SLEEP, CONFORM, BUY, WATCH TELEVISION…
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 27 2024 18:20 utc | 16
Tom q, is a psychological attack on humanity. I flip between outrage and depression on this issue. Grabbing fleeting hope in posts of UN votes, for that hope to be snatched away by another usa state department press conference. Relying on civility within humanity is evaporated, the stark reality that Gaza will be genocide on live TV and nothing will be done. To know Israel gets to starve millions to death with the last few sent away to offshore camps as some gesture of how good they are to remove them from the calamity they oversee. Shuddering at the gloating of expensive apartments on the sea shore built over the graves of those they murdered to gain it. Do I sit quietly and wait for a new snippet or twist in international affairs to hold on longer or do I resign to all is lost.
Frank zappa always had it right when he stated there would reach a time where it became to expensive to bothersome to continue the theatre of democracy and they would pull back the curtains to reveal a brick wall. Between Ukraine, Russia hatred and Israel’s Gaza, the brick wall is guilded with barbed wire machine gun AI towers and ss waffen troopers.
Posted by: Hankster | Mar 27 2024 19:12 utc | 18
“I’m almost out of words at this point.”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 27 2024 18:20 utc | 16
I find that difficult to believe with your ubiquitous posting.
@16 Tom q Collins
A couple of things to consider…and maybe encourage you…
If our abysmal rulers were halfway as secure as they would like to be, they would not need the continuous propaganda. Their hold on power in the collapsing western empire is tenuous.
It’s tenuous because propaganda does not win conflicts and the West has lost its ability to create value in terms of manufacturing.Not completely, but in large part.
The failure to maintain living standards and visible military setbacks will rattle the cage big time, as populations get more and more restive.
It will get worse before it gets better but I would guess the current western elites will be (in part at least) culled, following the coming defeat in Ukraine.
Israel has overplayed it’s hand to the extent they are hated in many many places.
Posted by: Judge Barbier | Mar 27 2024 19:49 utc | 20
“Posted by: unimperator | Mar 27 2024 18:11 utc | 13
“One can only hope (what a word to use…) that Rafah will be the reach too far that will seal Israel’s doom…”
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 27 2024 18:14 utc | 15
I agree Israel’s doom is ensured if they do the Rafah operation.
I would have wrote, “Rafah will be a bridge too far,” not, “Rafah will be the reach too far”- but that’s just semantics.
For me the best way to stay sane is to visit this website (thank you, b) and see that there are still so many deep, cultivated, sincere, intelligent and devoted people. The same and more goes for the courage of Albanese, Callamard and others in the UN agencies and humanitarian organizations in the latest months, as well as in South Africa and Ireland. This all gives hope.
Posted by: Minaa | Mar 27 2024 20:05 utc | 22
Daily SITREP from various brigades
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/back-to-the-start-resistance-roundup-day-172/
Comment – long list of ambushes, mortar strikes, RPGs hits on vehicles, plus bunch of rocket attacks. Among others a Merkava claimed to have burnt to a crisp.
Tally of Merkavas claimed since 2.Oct now 173
Posted by: Exile | Mar 27 2024 20:15 utc | 23
What can someone like me do to help? At this point on this site it’s starting to feel like we’re just old men yelling at clouds.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 27 2024 17:44 utc | 8
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I, too, am sickened by the news.
I am in a small local group. We demo every Sunday at a local intersection. Even though the local papers do not cover our action, we get obvious support from those driving by. So, that is something solid.
Ilan Pappe, in a recent interview:
A society as sick as Israel cannot heal itself.
There will have to be external interventions.
Everything that protesters in other countries do adds up.
It will take a long time to force this change in Israel, but Don’t give up. All of the protests, small and large, are moving the needle.
Send emails to your Congressional reps protesting arms sent to the genocidaires.
Find a Ceasefire/Palestine Group so you will get bulletins for letter-writing campaigns.
There is plenty you can do from home.
Of course if you require guarantees of some kind, there is no point in doing anything.
Me: Whenever I put food in my mouth I think of those being starved in Gaza. That keeps me going. I am very glad to have our small local group. We are doing the best we can and are not shutting up. We are also educating our community via providing info on documentaries about Palestine that can be viewed for free online.
Posted by: Jane | Mar 27 2024 20:57 utc | 24
10 Tom
thank god al jazeera has press present in Palestine…..and goodness knows how how palestinians manage to record on social media and publish . find electricity to charge phones…. that there seems to be some kind of internet maybe and phone service.
That they carry in despite such hardships….injuries …no medical service and with such heartbeak over
personal tragedies….with such compassion…endurance…such faith….is so incredible ….surely behoves us to be witnesses in our hearts and souls for the pain we also feel on their behalf in no way can match theirs..
Posted by: Jo | Mar 27 2024 21:20 utc | 25
Tom Q (8)
Yes, we are “Old men yelling at clouds.” I would add that for this old man, it was with tears in my eyes. I spent an afternoon watching Tik Toks of the Israeli genocide. It was the worst thing I’ve ever seen in my life. I was stunned by the violence and cruelty. You cannot watch those videos any longer nor can you forward them. Tik Tok has been harshly censored. The real reason the US is demanding that Tik Tok be sold is that it is exposing what the US and Israel want desperately to cover up.
Posted by: David | Mar 27 2024 21:29 utc | 26
Annelle Sheline writes that she decided to resign from her position at the State Department given US policy toward Gaza. “Whatever credibility the United States had as an advocate for human rights has almost entirely vanished since the war began.”
State Dept official @AnnelleSheline resigns, quoting Bushnell: ‘I am haunted by the final social media post of Aaron Bushnell, the 25-year-old US Air Force serviceman who self-immolated in front of the Israeli Embassy in Washington on February 25: “Many of us like to ask ourselves, ‘What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?’ The answer is, you’re doing it. Right now.”’
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 27 2024 21:57 utc | 27
MOA is hugely popular in the Alternative media scene.
I wonder if MOA could start a petition appealing to the South African Government to use the ICJ and UNSC rulings to sieze all ships and goods heading to the apartheid genocidal regime and handing over to the UN for funding shortfalls.
Posted by: Suresh | Mar 27 2024 21:59 utc | 28
@ 28
South Africa might even organize a naval coalition “Operation Good Hope” to enforce the blockade.
Here’s to dreaming the impossible. This is how useless I feel.
Posted by: Suresh | Mar 27 2024 22:04 utc | 29
I find that difficult to believe with your ubiquitous posting.
Posted by: canuck | Mar 27 2024 19:19 utc | 19
So nice that you have something constructive to contribute when not finding strange ways to portray “the natives” in any given place as savages.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 27 2024 22:04 utc | 30
It is extremely sad David. The graphic detail is not even needed, anyone with a sense of other would look at any family picture and understand what each loss meant. It is unbearable in fact, which is easily replaced by “unfathomable” to those who would prefer, or are simply not able to, notice.
Shouting at clouds implies being selfish for disliking the shadow cast, i.e. wanting your own nice normal. What you wrote disproves that.
These atrocities are taking the light of mankind as a whole.
“What can someone like me do to help?” TQC
What you are doing.
When surrounded by fear, lies and confusion, when the world is painted with distrust and even hatred is too slow to survive, to find anyone who is open and reminding us of reason even as they question its loss, is an island of refuge.
That is how it is Tom, keeping each other afloat, carrying above us what we consider of worth.
You would not even know if you had helped someone out of the mire of it all, but surely it will have been appreciated in some way.
Posted by: Ornot | Mar 27 2024 22:31 utc | 31
An interesting revelationin this interview at The Real News Network.
Michael Fox is interviewing Karen Spring a Canadian Human Rights activist who covered the recent NYCity trial of former Honduras President Juanb Orlando Hernandez- who has been found guilty of drug trafficking on a massive scale.
One of the witnesses from the Sinaloa Cartel, run in JOH’s day by El Chapo, told the court when
“..he was asked how he laundered drug money that he was making in Honduras by bringing in huge containers of cocaine from Colombia into Honduras’s largest port in Porto Cortés in Northern Honduras, which is a huge logistics hub in Central America, especially to the US market. So the Sinaloa Cartel was bringing in these huge containers of cocaine from Colombia into Puerto Cortés, in Honduras, and then bribing Juan Orlando Hernandez with drug money to basically allow them to bring in these containers.
“And so on cross-examination, the defense attorney asked this former member of the Sinaloa Cartel, how did you launder your drug money? And he said, well, we used an Israeli diplomat who had a diplomatic passport that worked in the Israeli embassy in Colombia. She would use her diplomatic passport to carry drug money from Honduras in a suitcase to Colombia. And she carried approximately $100 to $150 million dollars over a period of, I think, three or four years, and got a cut of 3% for her work in laundering that drug money.
“So that was really quite a little tiny tidbit of information that came out unexpectedly in the trial that is obviously very interesting, and there should be follow up in Colombia related to who that diplomat is and to what extent it has to links with the broader Israeli diplomatic staff and Israeli government in that drug money laundering scheme with the Sinaloa Cartel. So that was really interesting…”
Israel is not just a terrorist state it is a gangster state a criminal organisation.
Posted by: bevin | Mar 27 2024 22:35 utc | 32
Posted by: canuck | Mar 27 2024 19:19 utc | 19
Lol!
Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 27 2024 22:42 utc | 33
Posted by: Jane | Mar 27 2024 20:57 utc | 24
I’ve nothing against protests, even futile protests, but I’d suggest there’s something much more useful to do (non-exclusively, so you don’t have to stop your protests), and that’s to start organizing a people’s party. I’d say a worker’s party, but in this degenerate age that’s oddly exclusive in some circles and completely meaningless in others.
Whatever happens in Gaza, or Ukraine, or Haiti, or whatever other place the ruling class has picked out as the target du jour, they only way to bring a complete and permanent end to this is to take control of the state, and while I am not optimistic about this being done through the ballot box, that’s not a bad place to being, if you’re out of the work-force, or if you’re in a role that precludes such things.
It doesn’t have to be big, but if it inspires others to do the same, it’s worthwhile, because mass movements come together like slime molds from myriad little clusters.
People come together around the horrors that our government perpetrates, but by the time it starts to make a difference, the crime of the day is winding down anyway. Then these little efforts dwindle away, because they are about an even that is over. To really build, it’s necessary to have some kind of over-arching ideology- exactly the thing that so many rail against. But an ideology is just a coherent (hopefully) set of ideas that provide a framework for action, if you don’t have that you’ll go off the rails again and again. Which is why the current shift in the PTB narrative is accompanied by constant derision of ‘ideologues.’ Not all ideologies are equal. So hammer something out with your comrades, test it against the mood of your local community, refine it, repeat, and see if you can take over your city council.
Posted by: Honzo | Mar 27 2024 22:51 utc | 34
Posted by: canuck | Mar 27 2024 19:19 utc | 19
“Lol!”
Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 27 2024 22:42 utc | 33
We got to have some humour once in a while to distract ourselves from this dreary subject matter!
Well, there’s that:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/27/state-department-resignation-gaza-biden-policy
She resigned, but a lot of her colleagues say the only reason they didn’t is that they’d lose their jobs… I can sympathize.
Archetypex, I do apologize for earlier ascribing views to you that you probably don’t hold.
Posted by: dumbo | Mar 27 2024 22:55 utc | 36
Tom Q Collins @ 8 and elsewhere:
You have been performing sterling work here in the comments forums, not least in the last few comments forums on Palestine.
Perhaps you just need a break away from commenting and whacking the trolls and their slurs. Easter is almost upon us, a good excuse to rest for a few days.
If there is any consolation, it is that the visual and audio evidence of Israel’s genocide is so overwhelming that it cannot be covered up or ignored any longer. This realisation is probably sending the Israeli government and the relevant institutions in the country to go ballistically hysterical in their savagery.
Far better that this genocide is out in the open than it being ignored for years while it is occurring, and in the future (after its end) denied or whitewashed into something much less than what it should be.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 27 2024 23:17 utc | 37
“Israel is not just a terrorist state it is a gangster state a criminal organization.”
Posted by: bevin | Mar 27 2024 22:35 utc | 32
I agree-but yesterday you were talking about the Jew, Muslims and Christians as brothers and sisters to share Palestine-has your sentiment changed.
Well said. Poetry is perhaps all we have left with which to bear witness. I cannot think of a prosaic way to render the unfathomable suffering being inflicted. Language itself fails.
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 27 2024 18:12 utc | 14
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I know that it’s oh so fashionable to shit on Adorno, but when he said that lyric poetry was impossible after Auschwitz, he had a point.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 27 2024 23:37 utc | 39
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 27 2024 23:17 utc | 37
Thanks, much appreciated as I do your own comments.
I happen to share a (re) birthday with Jesus this year, so I’ll be smoking some pork ribs and burgers I got from the farmer’s market last week for the family in the nice weather (while it lasts!) on Sunday.
Posted by: Ornot | Mar 27 2024 22:31 utc | 31
It’s pretty much all some of us have at this point. If I could find a charity that can prove the money is actually going to those Gazans in need, I will start to send money again.
Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 27 2024 22:42 utc | 33
Have you accepted that it’s extremely unlikely “systematic” (or any thus far proven) rapes occurred on October 7, since it wasn’t a typical “war” or “battle”, that Hamas had specific aims to take hostages and keep them unharmed, and that there is actually no history of Palestinian resistance movements using or committing rape?
I’ll be happy to consider new and credible information, but so far the rape fiction is of a piece with the rest of it, i.e., beheadings, fetuses slashed from the womb, and Cookie Monster wielding a scimitar descending from over the prison wall to steal all of the kibbutzim’s pastries?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 27 2024 23:43 utc | 40
Archetypex, I do apologize for earlier ascribing views to you that you probably don’t hold.
Posted by: dumbo | Mar 27 2024 22:55 utc | 36
I tried a bunch of times to reply to posts and I get this thing on MOA where it says posted and nothing actually posts. I have a job so can’t spend all day on these things, then the thread dies, very frustrating. My views on the subject are complex and unlike a lot of folks they have been influenced by my actual experience in years of war and interacting with people from that part of the world. We probably would not agree on everything but I do appreciate your reply very much.
From last thread:
CalDre, if you’re going to accuse someone of a crime, man up and just do it without hiding behind psychobabble. So cowardly. You’ve definitely got down pat the backhanded low blow ad hominem attack! Bravo!
Canuck:
He definitely seems all over the map on this one.
Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 28 2024 0:19 utc | 41
I find that difficult to believe with your ubiquitous posting.
Posted by: canuck | Mar 27 2024 19:19 utc | 19
So nice that you have something constructive to contribute when not finding strange ways to portray “the natives” in any given place as savages.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 27 2024 22:04 utc | 30
Can you? : 1. Kindly please show me a post of mine that ‘portraying Indigenous people as savages”.
or
2. Retract your egregious accusation.
Execute #1 or #2 -if you do neither , your credibility will be lost with myself and, I suspect, other posters who will witness your lack of honour..
Have a good evening.
Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 27 2024 22:42 utc | 33
Have you accepted that it’s extremely unlikely “systematic” (or any thus far proven) rapes occurred on October 7, since it wasn’t a typical “war” or “battle”, that Hamas had specific aims to take hostages and keep them unharmed, and that there is actually no history of Palestinian resistance movements using or committing rape?
I’ll be happy to consider new and credible information, but so far the rape fiction is of a piece with the rest of it, i.e., beheadings, fetuses slashed from the womb, and Cookie Monster wielding a scimitar descending from over the prison wall to steal all of the kibbutzim’s pastries?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 27 2024 23:43 utc | 40
First victim in war is the truth. Obviously the baby in the oven and a lot of other stories are just BS. Not much different than the Iraqi incubator stories.
However, I do not accept any of the argument that somehow it’s not a war and somehow things are different because of that status. I’ve been in one before for years on the ground and the participants don’t care about these fine distinctions. We won’t know even a portion of the truth for a long time. Ive been there, I know what goes on. I know its happening. It doesn’t matter whether it’s official policy. I know it’s extremely likely, not unlikely.
I did get a good laugh about Cookie Monster with a scimitar. As if that wet noodle would ever have so much courage to actually do something herself.
Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 28 2024 0:45 utc | 43
Posted by: Judge Barbier | Mar 27 2024 19:49 utc | 20
“And that’s a good thing!”
Posted by: ryanggg | Mar 28 2024 0:47 utc | 44
at this point I can’t be sure the Zionists
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 27 2024 17:44 utc | 8
The reason I give a large note or two to the local Palestinians collecting donations outside of the shoppping centre I frequent a couple of times a week. I figure the police would have arrested them or moved them on if they were bogus.
Posted by: Menz | Mar 28 2024 0:52 utc | 45
Craig Mokhiber
@CraigMokhiber
The U.S. has shown itself willing to burn down the house – to tear down the entire international legal framework to defend one genocidal, apartheid state, distorting humanitarian law, abrogating the genocide convention, and declaring Security Council resolutions “non-binding.”
https://twitter.com/CraigMokhiber/status/1772983801695666660
Posted by: Menz | Mar 28 2024 0:59 utc | 46
How could anyone even think of voting for this clown?
Jehad Abusalim جهاد أبو سليم
@JehadAbusalim
Bernie Sanders misses the Israel of Golda Meir.
The Israel of Golda Meir:
“The Israel of today is not the Israel of Golda Meir….it is a right-wing country, increasingly becoming a religious fundamentalist country” -@BernieSanders
https://twitter.com/JehadAbusalim/status/1772977533698355513
Posted by: Menz | Mar 28 2024 1:02 utc | 47
Sulaiman Ahmed
@ShaykhSulaiman
TURKEY SOLD ARMS TO ISRAEL IN JANUARY DURING THE GENOCIDE
https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1773024431041859997
Posted by: Menz | Mar 28 2024 1:11 utc | 48
The Spectator Index
@spectatorindex
BREAKING: The Wall Street Journal reports that meetings between the Israeli defense minister and senior US officials were not focused on how to stop the operation in Rafah, but instead on ‘how to protect civilians during its rollout’ and that both sides agree Hamas battalions in Rafah ‘must be dislodged’.
https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1773139708132069417
Posted by: Menz | Mar 28 2024 1:14 utc | 49
The Spectator Index
@spectatorindex
JUST IN: Bloomberg reports that Turkey is set to become the largest seller to the US of artillery shells amid global shortage in ammunition
7:13 AM · Mar 28, 2024
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https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1773080959568457930
Posted by: Menz | Mar 28 2024 1:18 utc | 50
Posted by: Menz | Mar 28 2024 0:59 utc | 46
There shouldn’t be any surprise.
The US has always believed in a rules based order.
They make the rules and they’re arbitrary and “non-binding” when convenient.
It’s all just in a finer focus now because of the situation and participants. Nothings changed on that front.
Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 28 2024 1:22 utc | 51
The palestainians are learning the hard way that terrorism doesn’t pay…heheheh
Posted by: Israel Victorious! | Mar 28 2024 1:29 utc | 52
@JehadAbusalim
Golda Meir who asserted that Israel would never forgive the Palestininans for making Israel shoot their [Palestinian] children.
Posted by: JAP | Mar 28 2024 1:30 utc | 53
@malenkov
Before Auschwitz there was the famine in India, the rape of 3 continents, the Dutch in Africa, etc.
There’s nothing singular about the Holocaust.
And it’s always a pleasure to shit on Adorno.
Posted by: JAB | Mar 28 2024 1:33 utc | 54
Posted by: canuck | Mar 28 2024 0:34 utc | 42
I think Tom is basically correct. I can’t point to any specific posts, but do recall you writing about native Canadians in less-than-flattering terms.
Posted by: farm ecologist | Mar 28 2024 1:39 utc | 55
RT reports that business is bad at the port of Eilat. Boo-hoo 🙁
Houthi attacks affect Israeli port functions
Posted by: farm ecologist | Mar 28 2024 1:47 utc | 56
Before Auschwitz there was the famine in India, the rape of 3 continents, the Dutch in Africa, etc.
There’s nothing singular about the Holocaust.
And it’s always a pleasure to shit on Adorno.
Posted by: JAB | Mar 28 2024 1:33 utc | 54
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True enough…but then, I never had much use for lyric poetry anyway.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 28 2024 2:03 utc | 57
RT reports that business is bad at the port of Eilat. Boo-hoo 🙁
Houthi attacks affect Israeli port functions
Posted by: farm ecologist | Mar 28 2024 1:47 utc | 56
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Pity. That problem could be solved nicely by simply obliterating the port. Anyone?
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 28 2024 2:04 utc | 58
Jane.
I wanted to share with you my evening: I went hear an author talk about his book tonight, Palestine, Israel and the US. Empire. It was very good and there was time for questions at the end. The question one person asked is the same as yours Mr Becker says keep protesting!!!!! Keep bugging your politicians. He pointed out that even though the protests didn’t stop the war it defiantly pushed it to end. The politicians were terrified there would be a revolution. He feels the politicians are as scared now as well as being surprised about how angry we are.. My question was who can we give to that is actually getting help in to Gaza. He suggested Middle East Children’s alliance I am sure that these creeps are even more afraid of B and all the other amazing folks on line, they thought they could keep lying and get away with it!
Posted by: Susan | Mar 28 2024 2:22 utc | 59
Let’s see if a few nations can get the ball rolling on BDS. Boycott products grown on illegally seized territory, divest investments in companies that short change the Palestinians, and scanction the current government of Israel for its war crimes and apartheid.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 28 2024 2:40 utc | 60
usa daily press briefing for today.. lots of talk about israel-palestine..
Department Press Briefing – March 27, 2024
Posted by: james | Mar 28 2024 3:16 utc | 61
The Spectator Index
@spectatorindex
JUST IN: Bloomberg reports that Turkey is set to become the largest seller to the US of artillery shells amid global shortage in ammunition
7:13 AM · Mar 28, 2024
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https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1773080959568457930
Well, hell! …At least like a good Turk, sell it for a good mark-up. Times are tough for those who hold the Lira.
Posted by: CrazyTrain | Mar 28 2024 3:20 utc | 62
Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 28 2024 0:45 utc | 43
I appreciate the good faith response, but I worry about you now. You were on the ground in a war, ostensibly on the side of a “western” nation or perhaps even Israel, and you witnessed rape? Systematic rape as a tool of war? Did you file a report or attempt to stop it? Or was it just a de facto element of whatever operation you were a part of?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 28 2024 4:12 utc | 63
Posted by: canuck | Mar 28 2024 0:34 utc | 42
Were you drunk posting when you decided to try foisting the howler that the Aztecs of what is now Mexico sacrificing 50M people in brutal ritualistic fashion over the span of like 50 years or whatever the timespan was?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 28 2024 4:14 utc | 64
I know that you’ve talked a lot about the Canadian natives (and others besides the US’s) in the past, but I will concede that your ‘body of work’ may have included some posts that I did not catch at the time.
Re: the Aztecs –
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/01/us-claims-no-alternative-to-larger-middle-east-war.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3a51327200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3a51327200c
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/01/us-claims-no-alternative-to-larger-middle-east-war.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3a8e9ca200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3a8e9ca200b
But in your favor (somewhat) you defend Canada’s treatment of the indigenous compared to that of the US- you did also say (mostly correctly) that the Canadians didn’t full on attempt to genocide theirs.
So I guess it’s a wash. If you want to bring to the fore some of your other comments on indigenous peoples, please do and I will gladly correct my previous statements.
That said, you post at least as much if not more than I do, so your silly dig earlier was completely out of line, especially given the grave and depressing subject of the Gazan genocide that none of us have the power to affect without committing highly illegal acts (that I’d likely approve of).
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 28 2024 4:27 utc | 65
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 28 2024 2:03 utc | 57
True enough…but then, I never had much use for lyric poetry anyway.
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I use it to try to impress Siri. Not much luck so far…
Hey I like lyric poetry. Adorno is dead -Lyric poetry lives on.
Posted by: Dumbo | Mar 28 2024 4:33 utc | 66
“The Israel of today is not the Israel of Golda Meir….it is a right-wing country, increasingly becoming a religious fundamentalist country” -@BernieSanders
https://twitter.com/JehadAbusalim/status/1772977533698355513
Posted by: Menz | Mar 28 2024 1:02 utc | 47
Sheepdog Bernie disgusts me now. What a fucking disappointment over the things he was saying in 2015/2016 and prior (and yes I know he was always somewhat in the pocket of the Zionists, but never have we seen a genocide like this, and Meir would have cheered it on for sure).
Fuck Golda. And Ben Gurion.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 28 2024 4:33 utc | 67
Posted by: farm ecologist | Mar 28 2024 1:47 utc | 56
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 28 2024 2:04 utc | 58
My beef with the Houthi is that they seem to be soft-balling anything Izzreali.
Business should not merely be bad, business should be non-existent – in all of occupied Palestine.
As for American ships, you’d think the Houthi had a soft spot for Americans the way they never seem to actually hit a naval ship.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 28 2024 4:34 utc | 68
Posted by: dumbo | Mar 27 2024 22:55 utc | 36
Messed up thing is that her resignation is almost impossible to find in American media. You have to literally search for it, and it’s only being reported by about 50% of the main wire services/newspapers/networks.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 28 2024 4:35 utc | 69
As for American ships, you’d think the Houthi had a soft spot for Americans the way they never seem to actually hit a naval ship.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 28 2024 4:34 utc | 68
They’ve tried. And likely succeeded, but do you really think the US gov’t and media would admit it? All they’ve told us so far is that they’ve shot down “Iran-backed Houthi” drones and missiles. Something tells me a few of the recent casualties were not due to the “official” causes cited. The US/UK are attacking them anyway, so why wouldn’t they?
Give Ansar Allah time.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 28 2024 4:37 utc | 70
My beef with the Houthi is that they seem to be soft-balling anything Izzreali.
Business should not merely be bad, business should be non-existent – in all of occupied Palestine.
As for American ships, you’d think the Houthi had a soft spot for Americans the way they never seem to actually hit a naval ship.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 28 2024 4:34 utc | 68
If only Russia had the bandwidth to take over the operation. It would be lights out!
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 28 2024 4:42 utc | 71
If only Russia had the bandwidth to take over the operation. It would be lights out!
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 28 2024 4:42 utc | 71
Could you imagine the apoplectics if Russia (rightfully) attacked American commercial/military ships in the strait? It’d be like Tonkin all over except this time no draft and good luck getting anyone to sign up.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 28 2024 4:58 utc | 72
Fuck Golda. And Ben Gurion.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 28 2024 4:33 utc | 67
And especially, fuck Bernie.
Apologies to all, I’ve run out of anything intellectual to say while we the Utopian West await the completion of the current enlightened genocide of the Palestinian people.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 28 2024 5:10 utc | 73
@Israel Victorious
If it’s body count and thuggery that matters, the greatest terrorists on earth are the Americans. They have killed about 20 million people since WWII.
As for Israel. My bet is that the US sacrifices them as it has sacrificed every “friend” since time immemorial.
Posted by: JAB | Mar 28 2024 5:14 utc | 74
Posted by: JAB | Mar 28 2024 5:14 utc | 74
As a friendly and copacetic reply, let me say this: You may be mis-judging the true scope, scale and nature of the situation. Israel controls “America’s” foreign policy on many fronts, not just the Middle East. It also controls our media and political process. It will be very, very hard for the US to abandon Israel like it has the South Vietnamese, South Koreans or Kurds. Not the same thing. At all.
Perfidious Zion and worship of Manna, with all the usurious financialization and narrative control needed are the same thing and it’s ENTRENCHED.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 28 2024 5:20 utc | 75
@ 71
Anti shipping operations are a precise science. The targeting, constant tracking and corrections as well evasive/defensive/EW environment is dependable on the targets selected.
This is why the Servants usually manage to hit slow large commercial ships as opposed to armed to the teeth, specialized naval vessels built to operate in a contested theater.
Add the need by the Servants to avoid enemy ISR and counter airstrikes, the rudimentary forces facing off the coalition of Evil is outperforming NATO’s proxy armies on the Eastern Front.
Posted by: Suresh | Mar 28 2024 5:31 utc | 76
Comprehending the US entity’s behaviour in and toward this unfolding holocaust is difficult, no matter how aware we are of its litany of preceding crimes. This linked article helps understand the essential nature of the creature and thus its actions and why it will continue doing these things until the death of its behemoth corporate form.
https://indi.ca/the-only-thing-that-will-stop-america/
Posted by: Greg | Mar 28 2024 6:11 utc | 77
Dumbo
With regard to State dep resignations, what is needed is some Gulf or Chinese money to support those who want to resign. A la NATO various MENA wars
Posted by: Minaa | Mar 28 2024 6:12 utc | 78
A couple of weeks ago, Boko Haram took another dozens of schoolgirls as hostages, added to the hundreds in captivity for years already.
No coalition to free them? Some say BH is fundee by Qatar…i wonder if Isr plays a role too.
We are all Palestinians because we are being told by the US and UK imperialist and white supremacist governments that we are next in row if we dont comply. And that also applies to whities if they chose the wrong side but if blacks we should be made aware that no international MSM will consider it is worth the paper printed on.
This is the message plain and clear and it is high time for China, Russia and the Gulf to stop it.
Posted by: Minaa | Mar 28 2024 6:22 utc | 79
JAB @74
The US will dump Israel….
I think the sheer depth and ubiquity of the Israel lobby means that the entire political machinery of the US including the press is pro Israel regardless of the enormous damage it is doing to US interests.
You would have to change all senators and Congress members to do that
More likely the US will be frozen out of the near east and Israel will try to pivot to China to survive. Either way they have a very doubtful future.
Posted by: Judge Barbier | Mar 28 2024 6:35 utc | 80
Are the IDF and Likud party a joint criminal enterprise ?
https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-9780199796953/obo-9780199796953-0096.xml
Posted by: Exile | Mar 28 2024 6:48 utc | 81
Which Holocaust do you mean ?
60 million Chinese by Tojo – Mao
30 million Russians by Bolsheviks
25 million Russians by Fascists
10 million Congolese by Belgians – Leopold II
9 million Koreans by the Pentagon – MacArthur
9 million Chinese by the English – Sassoons
8 million Iranians by the English – Churchill
6 million Southeast Asians by the Pentagon-Kissinger
5 million Bengalis by the English – Churchill
4 million Philippinos by the Americans
4 million Irish by the English
3 million Indonesians by CIA – AntiCommunists
Posted by: Exile | Mar 28 2024 6:50 utc | 82
We should not be surprised either that the US and UK have decided to put coloured officials (Austin, Sumak, Thomas-Greenfield…) in the forefront while they participate in this mass atrocity. This is also to be counted as part of a white supremacist machiavelian scheme. They were qualified because they would accept anything for the sake of their carreer. They are supposed to give to the coloured voters the idea of egality and same opportunities for all but i doubt many people buy it.
Posted by: Minaa | Mar 28 2024 7:02 utc | 83
Israel Deploys Expansive Facial Recognition Program in Gaza
BI>The experimental effort, which has not been disclosed, is being used to conduct mass surveillance of Palestinians in Gaza, according to military officials and others.
Within minutes of walking through an Israeli military checkpoint along Gaza’s central highway on Nov. 19, the Palestinian poet Mosab Abu Toha was asked to step out of the crowd. He put down his 3-year-old son, whom he was carrying, and sat in front of a military jeep.
Half an hour later, Mr. Abu Toha heard his name called. Then he was blindfolded and led away for interrogation.
“I had no idea what was happening or how they could suddenly know my full legal name,” said the 31-year-old, who added that he had no ties to the militant group Hamas and had been trying to leave Gaza for Egypt.
It turned out Mr. Abu Toha had walked into the range of cameras embedded with facial recognition technology, according to three Israeli intelligence officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity. After his face was scanned and he was identified, an artificial intelligence program found that the poet was on an Israeli list of wanted persons, they said.
Mr. Abu Toha is one of hundreds of Palestinians who have been picked out by a previously undisclosed Israeli facial recognition program that was started in Gaza late last year. The expansive and experimental effort is being used to conduct mass surveillance there, collecting and cataloging the faces of Palestinians without their knowledge or consent, according to Israeli intelligence officers, military officials and soldiers.
More:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/27/technology/israel-facial-recognition-gaza.html?unlocked_article_code=1.f00.6Xoe.rVT2G5j_zDHn&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&ugrp=u&sgrp=c-cb
Posted by: Menz | Mar 28 2024 7:53 utc | 84
Barghouti’s family says he has been physically and psychologically mistreated in Israeli custody since 7 October
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-urges-israel-investigate-marwan-barghouti-abuse-allegations
Posted by: Menz | Mar 28 2024 7:55 utc | 85
5m ago (08:00 GMT)
Israel accused of ‘executing’ 13 children near al-Shifa in one week
The Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor has accused Israeli forces of directly shooting at and executing 13 children in and near al-Shifa Hospital in just one week.
The monitoring group, citing its teams on the ground, said some of the fatal shootings occurred as victims’ families were inside their homes amid Israel’s continuing raid on al-Shifa, and others while the victims were attempting to escape via routes designated as safe.
In one testimony, Islam Ali Salouha told Euro-Med that Israeli forces on Sunday shot at and killed his sons – nine-year-old Ali and six-year-old Saeed Muhammad Sheikha – on a corpse-strewn street near al-Shifa that the Israeli army had designated for travel. The Israeli forces targeted the two children in particular, he said.
Salouha said he, his sons and neighbours only left the building because Israeli forces had told them to evacuate or face having their building bombed.
Smoke rises over Al-Shifa Hospital
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/3/28/israels-war-on-gaza-live-unarmed-palestinians-killed-buried-by-bulldozer?update=2803430
Posted by: Menz | Mar 28 2024 8:07 utc | 86
Some might consider it a paradox or sick joke to say that the IDF is an equal opportunity killer.
The IDF massacred some 400+ Israelis on 7. Oct
The IDF kills its own POWs held in Gaza
The IDF kills its own soldiers by the dozens in friendly-fire incidents
Posted by: Exile | Mar 28 2024 9:00 utc | 87
Jordan having some action a shooting at two different border crossing’s have made Israel close them, King Hussein border crossing with Jordan after gunfire in Jericho. Also large protests which have been repressed are at the israeli embassy . Let’s hope further isolation occurs as that’s less ways I ports can enter Israel. Self seiging
Posted by: Hankster | Mar 28 2024 9:29 utc | 88
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/27/gaza-ireland-joins-battle-to-include-the-blocking-of-vital-aid-in-definition-of-genocide#:~:text=Ireland%20is%20to%20seek%20to,(ICJ)%20case%20against%20Israel.
Ireland seeks to widen the definition of genocide to include blocking humanitarian aid in upcoming IJC hearings where it supports South Africa.
Slightly heartening but will there be anyone left to save in the months that justice wheels crawl along
Posted by: Hankster | Mar 28 2024 9:52 utc | 89
I’ve never killed a human being, but, I sometimes find pleasure in the obituaries:
Former Senator Joe Lieberman died today at age 8.
Posted by: Menz | Mar 28 2024 9:57 utc | 90
Feb 6 bill calling on US to “review” US relations with South Africa passed the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee on a voice vote. Election coming up in South Africa.
https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/BILLS-118hr7256ih
N THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
February 6, 2024
Mr. James (for himself and Mr. Moskowitz) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs
This Act may be cited as the “U.S.-South Africa Bilateral Relations Review Act”.
Congress finds the following:
(1) The actions of the African National Congress (“ANC”),
which since 1994 has held a governing majority and controlled
South Africa’s executive branch, are inconsistent with its
publicly stated policy of nonalignment in international
affairs.
(2) In contrast to its stated stance of nonalignment, the
South African Government has a history of siding with malign
actors, including Hamas, a U.S. designated Foreign Terrorist
Organization and a proxy of the Iranian regime, and continues
to pursue closer ties with the People’s Republic of China
(“PRC”) and the Russian Federation.
(3) The South African Government’s support of Hamas dates
back to 1994, when the ANC first came into power, taking a
hardline stance of consistently accusing Israel of practicing
apartheid.
The Act goes onto list ANC crimes in supporting Palestinians and dealing with Russia and “CCP”. There is not such thing as “CCP”. The name is Communist Party of China.
Example:
(G) on November 17, 2023, South Africa, along with 4 other countries, submitted a joint request to the International Criminal Court for an investigation into war crimes being committed in the Palestinian territories; and (H) on December 29, 2023, South Africa filed a politically motivated suit in the International Court of Justice wrongfully accusing Israel of committing genocide.
South Africa’s hosting of 6 PRC Government-backed and CCP-linked Confucius Institutes, a type of entity that a CCP official characterized as an “important part of the CCP’s external propaganda structure”, the most of any country in Africa;
the widespread presence in South Africa’s media and technology sectors of PRC state linked firms that the United States has restricted due to threats to national security, including Huawei Technologies, ZTE and Hikvision, which place South African sovereignty at risk and facilitate the CCP’s export of its model of digitally aided authoritarian governance underpinned by cyber controls, social monitoring, propaganda, and surveillance.
The ANC-led South African Government has a history of substantially mismanaging a range of state resources and has often proven incapable of effectively delivering public services, threatening the South African people and the South African economy
Guys: Sunak, Biden, Trudeau, Scholz, Macron and von der Liar are doing fantastic jobs of managing their respective economies!!!!
It is the sense of Congress that–(1) it is in the national security interest of the United States to deter strategic political and security cooperation and information sharing with the PRC and the Russian Federation, particularly any form of cooperation that may aid or abet Russia’s illegal war of aggression in Ukraine or its international standing or influence; and (2) the ANC’s foreign policy actions have long ceased to reflect its stated stance of nonalignment, and now directly favor the PRC, the Russian Federation, and Hamas, a known proxy of Iran, and thereby undermine United States national security and foreign policy interests.
Posted by: pq | Mar 28 2024 10:38 utc | 91
Posted by: Menz | Mar 28 2024 9:57 utc | 91
8? 🙂 I too thought: great! It’s getting too hard to keep up with the atrocities.
Posted by: Exile | Mar 28 2024 9:00 utc | 87
The significance of the Hannibal on Oct 7 was that for the first time it was used against civilians. It used to be only for combatants.
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/03/another-israeli-soldier-admits-to-implementing-the-hannibal-directive-on-october-7/
Captain Bar Zonshein recounts firing tank shells on vehicles carrying Israeli civilians on October 7. “I decide that this is the right decision, that it’s better to stop the abduction and that they not be taken,” he told Israeli media outlets.
One must point out that Zonshien’s description of a “pile” of people could either be military or civilians, but those distinctions apparently did not factor into his calculations. This is, of course, significant in Israeli terms because the Hannibal doctrine had hitherto only been limited to soldiers.
Posted by: pq | Mar 28 2024 10:45 utc | 92
PQ,
Thanks for the citation – Washington seems bound and determined to isolate itself fully from the International community.
Posted by: Exile | Mar 28 2024 10:47 utc | 93
Some background on the IDF POWs held in Gaza, told by family members
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2074393
Posted by: Exile | Mar 28 2024 11:06 utc | 94
@ Menz | Mar 28 2024 9:57 utc | 91
Dubya Bush was a miserable excuse for a human being and Preznit, but Lieberman was one reason the country dodged a bullet when SCOTUS denied Al Bore the presidency.
I don’t care if it demeans me to say this, but I hope Lieberman’s demise was slow and painful.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 28 2024 11:14 utc | 95
“Posted by: canuck | Mar 28 2024 0:34 utc | 42
“Were you drunk posting when you decided to try foisting the howler that the Aztecs of what is now Mexico sacrificing 50M people in brutal ritualistic fashion over the span of like 50 years or whatever the timespan was?”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 28 2024 4:14 utc | 64
TRIGGER WARNING: The massacre did happen!!
I was and am only posting facts; the Aztecs did indeed sacrifice 80,000 in 1487 in three days (1)(2)(3)(4)(5) and that has been documented by archeologists. I have listed 5 sources I could put 25 more up if needed.
I fully expect you to defend your your honour and retract your egregious accusation against myself.
“In History Today, Tim Stanley writes:
Defeated soldiers were not killed on the battlefield, but captured and returned to Tenochtitlan for sacrifice. The Aztec rulers were convinced that the end of the world was nigh and butchered thousands to appease the gods. This was a culture obsessed with death: they believed that human sacrifice was the highest form of karmic healing. When the Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan was consecrated in 1487 the Aztecs recorded that 84,000 people were slaughtered in four days.” (1)(2)(3) (4)(5)
1. https://intellectualtakeout.org/2015/10/84000-slaughtered-in-four-days/
2. https://qz.com/374994/aztec-sacrifice-was-real-and-its-not-fetishistic-to-be-fascinated-by-it
3.https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/style/1983/10/02/the-aztecs/60851dec-d70b-4415-926d-6c8166b07709/
4. https://articlebay.medium.com/the-largest-human-sacrifice-in-history-aztec-bloody-festival-18c3721712c8
5. https://academic.oup.com/book/481/chapter-abstract/135253092?redirectedFrom=fulltext
> Exile | Mar 28 2024 6:50 utc | 82
First one on your list is “by the white Western European imperialists” who enslaved China, turned Japan into their proxy, and then backed their side in the China civil war.
Don’t blame the natives for kicking out the European imperialists and their proxies.
Posted by: natokraine | Mar 28 2024 12:04 utc | 97
“… butchered thousands to appease the gods. …
Posted by: canuck | Mar 28 2024 11:43 utc | 97”
I register ZERO surprise that belief in a deity by X was the root cause of murder committed by X. Same thing is happening in Palestine, same thing has happened throughout history. “Our (made-up non-existent) deity says we can kill, our lying fraudulent leader said so, and we don’t have enough brains to question it.”
Posted by: Dalit | Mar 28 2024 12:05 utc | 98
As for American ships, you’d think the Houthi had a soft spot for Americans the way they never seem to actually hit a naval ship. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 28 2024 4:34 utc | 68
I’ve been trying to find out (unsuccessfully) casualties in Yemen from the continuous US UK strikes. Yemeni speeches show they consider this the 10th year of US/UK aggression on their country.
I have to roll my eyes at the devout pro Palestinian imperial MoA armchair warriors who shout and cheer for Red Sea escalation without the least regard for Yemeni lives as a consequence. Did you miss the part where Yemen said their blockade is to lay siege on commercial shipping to Israeli ports while Israel blocks aid to Gaza?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 28 2024 4:42 utc | 71
Russia seriously helping Israel?
While the Russian government deliberately leaks brutal torture videos of FSB cutting of the ear of a Muslim, removing the eye of a teenager, electrocuting the genitals of another?
FSB circulated these videos on Russian nationalist channels like inteslavaz while Putin fans the flames of Islamophobia in Russia. A horrific attack explained away in a bizarre narrative from the government which has even my Russian friends rolling their eyes does NOT justify horrific and very public torture as “vengeance”. That’s what Zionists do! That’s what NATO does!!!
If you wonder why Zionists can torture Palestinians with impunity it’s because all the Global North including Russia has normalized the torture of non-whites.
Prigozgin led a “coup” against Russia in which Russian pilots were killed. Did we see Prigozhin getting his eyes removed? To be clear: I’m glad we did not.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-confirms-russian-pilots-killed-during-aborted-mutiny-2023-06-26/
I’m disgusted by ALL torture. I’m now disgusted by Putin resurrecting Islamophobia while there’s a genocise and ethnic cleansing in Palestine.
Some of us remember the FSB false flags which Putin used to bomb and siege Chechnya.
Ukrainians launching terrorist attacks on Donbas civilians are “Slavic brothers” who have lost their way.
A terrorist attack whose narrative is nonsensical and attributed to four bumbling Tajiks is “Muslim” brutes who must be publicly tortured.
I read somewhere that Putin is rebuilding Russia as an ethnonationalist state based on Christian orthodoxy. I think this is true. That was certainly true of his Tucker talk.
He mentioned Slavic brothers and totally forgot about the Chechen lives lost in taking on the worst of the hardened neo-Nazis early in the SMO.
Why is there a genocide in Gaza while countries with power continue to fly 3 planes of weapons to Israel daily and one ship of arms every few days? Because the Abu Ghraib torture woman can spend only 17 months total in prison and nobody in the West is shocked.
The Gaza genocide is about the fundamental issue: can we treat all humans equally with respect, the way we want to be treated? Clearly there is inequality among social classes in all countries with the poorer ones being badly mistreated. In every conflict there are war crimes.
But only the Global North uses violent subjugation of the Global South as a business model to protect their imperial interests.
Posted by: pq | Mar 28 2024 12:14 utc | 99
Menz,
the EU is 100% supporting surveillance technology. Since it is funded by research and development programmes they have discretely switched the “charter of ethics” supposedly imposed on research from the Marie Curie and ERC one to the Erasmus+ one.
Posted by: Tom | Mar 28 2024 12:24 utc | 100