Posted by: malenkov | Mar 25 2024 0:53 utc | 67
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How very materialistic and legalistic to make this a matter of real estate dispute. A predictably Western worldview. LOL

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 14:41 utc | 104

All that’s required is a sense of fair play and a conscience.
The Pals had their land stolen by gangsters using murder, pillage, war, rape etc. I support the Pals getting their own land back, Israel being dissolved and the guilty being punished.
Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 25 2024 1:32 utc | 70
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I anxiously await members of the bar taking up for the American natives. Or the Mexicans who had their land stolen in the American South.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 14:47 utc | 106

circumspect | Mar 24 2024 17:20 utc | 11
*** In 5 years the US Christian Zionists will be sunning themselves on the beaches of Gaza in hotels built by the Trump organization. All the back and forth between Israel and the US is a charade. It is for the election. The US will step in and save the day by paving a path for a couple of million Palestians to leave Gaza.***
Leaving the gas and oil as well.

Posted by: Cynic | Mar 25 2024 14:52 utc | 108

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 25 2024 14:41 utc | 106
LoveDonbass called you out as a hypocrite and he was correct.
So you retaliated calling him , “an accomplice to genocide.” and now you defaming me I guess for supporting LoveDonbass. Fire away with your dwarfish intellectual popgun, I won’t even get scratched.
Not only was your reply to LoveDonbass fatuous, it is irrelevant mean and defaming-you should be ashamed of yourself.
As for meeting you in Israel or anywhere else for that matter, no thank you; with your attitude if you invited me to Claridge’s for dinner (ate there a couple of times, excellent food, but super pricey)for dinner on you I would not show up as I don’t respect men throwing around “genocide accusations” just because one was losing a blog argument.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 25 2024 15:00 utc | 110

Posted by: canuck | Mar 25 2024 10:39 utc | 97
You missed the entire point of the post coz your dogma chased rabbits into the weeds.

Posted by: Greg | Mar 25 2024 15:10 utc | 112

“I anxiously await members of the bar taking up for the American natives. Or the Mexicans who had their land stolen in the American South.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 14:47 utc | 109”
Off-topic in this thread and hardly something to bring up out of the blue, but yes, the U.S. has throughout its history stolen land by force from the people who lived there, frequently by slaughtering them (from Massachusetts to Montana, look for names like Iowa, Keokuk, etc), but Spain did the same, stealing the land by force from descendants of the Aztecs, Mayans, and Incans, resulting in Mexico and other countries before U.S. stole half of it from them by force (look for spanish names such as Sacramento, Las Vegas, etc), France did the same before U.S. bought a lot of the stolen land from people with no right to sell it (look for french names such as Baton Rouge, Orleans, king Louis, etc), and U.S. stole a group of islands in the middle of the Pacific Ocean over the objections of the people who lived there (look for names like Honolulu, Maui, etc). I don’t feel any obligation to discuss every evil act ever committed before criticizing new ones or advocating doing something about them.
PS: thanks, DunGroanin.

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 25 2024 15:22 utc | 114

Guardian this morning..
“UN security council passes resolution calling for ceasefire in Gaza after US abstains
For the first time the UN security council has voted for a call for a ceasefire in Gaza, after the US abstained, rather than using its veto as it has done on previous occasions. Russia and China have also previously vetoed texts.
The resolution that passed was written by the 10 elected members to the council, and proposed in the chamber by Mozambique’s representative.”
Russia attempted to amend the text by restoring it to an earlier draft which included the word “permanent”, but the bid failed.
14 members of the UN security council voted for the resolution, while the US abstained.
Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu had earlier threatened to cancel a planned delegation to Washington if the US did not exercise its veto.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 25 2024 15:29 utc | 116

Yup. A 2 week ceasefire (as Ramadan ends) and Hamas to release all hostages. Then back to fighting and starvation.
What a joke the UNSC is.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 25 2024 15:32 utc | 118

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 14:41 utc | 107
If you see land as real estate then you are a Westerner, or infected by them.
However land, the earth, can also be seen thermodynamically as the mother of the web of life that sustains our relentless fight against entropy. Giving up your land is tantamount to giving up that fight, or at least your genuinely meaningful participation in it.
You can see whatever god(s) you like in, on and over that land, but the land is the physical body of those gods. Our physical life depends upon our connection to it and with that physical life we can contemplate and revere the land’s succour, its majesty, its holiness or whatever superlatives or glimpses of the ineffable that we care (imagine) to attach to that experience.
A peoples’ just right to their land is enough to warrant supporting their cause

Posted by: Greg | Mar 25 2024 15:40 utc | 120

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 14:47 utc | 109
Agree. The best short term action to ease the Texas border problem is give Texas back to the Mexicans it was stolen from.
But even that’s not enough. The US and it’s vassal posse need to withdraw all of their banditry from the territories at the source of the immigrant flows.

Posted by: Greg | Mar 25 2024 15:46 utc | 122

Text of resolution. It’s not as bad as I thought.
The Security Council,
Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations,
Recalling all of its relevant resolutions on the situation in the Middle East,
including the Palestinian question,
Reiterating its demand that all parties comply with their obligations under
international law, including international humanitarian law and international human rights law, and in this regard deploring all attacks against civilians and civilian objects, as well as all violence and hostilities against civilians, and all acts of terrorism, and recalling that the taking of hostages is prohibited under international law;
Expressing deep concern about the catastrophic humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip,
Acknowledging the ongoing diplomatic efforts by Egypt, Qatar and the United States, aimed at reaching a cessation of hostilities, releasing the hostages and increasing the provision and distribution of humanitarian aid,
1. Demands an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan respected by all parties leading to a lasting sustainable ceasefire, and also demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages, as well as ensuring humanitarian access to address their medical and other humanitarian needs, and further demands that the parties comply with their obligations under international law in relation to all persons they detain;
2. Emphasizes the urgent need to expand the flow of humanitarian assistance to and reinforce the protection of civilians in the entire Gaza Strip and reiterates its demand for the lifting of all barriers to the provision of humanitarian assistance at scale, in line with international humanitarian law as well as resolutions 2712 (2023) and 2720 (2023);
3. Decides to remain actively seized of the matter.

Posted by: Pq | Mar 25 2024 15:59 utc | 124

Show me where Mearsheimer advocates for the right of return and I will change my opinion. Show me where he says Israel must end the occupation. I
If anyone is absolutist, it is Israel and the Zionist lobby.
Posted by: Pq | Mar 25 2024 15:48 utc | 126
You misunderstand the situation. Mearsheimer is an American na

Posted by: laguerre | Mar 25 2024 16:03 utc | 126

PQ;
Thanks for posting the complete text.
….so demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages…..
I interpret this to mean the handful of Israeli civilians still held in Gaza (excluding IDF and settler paramilitaries who are POWs) and the release of ~10,000 Arab hostages held by the Likud.

Posted by: Exile | Mar 25 2024 16:15 utc | 128

reply to 119
The UN vote is a serious defeat for the US and Netanyahu. Is the US waking up from its diplomatic isolation? We’ll see……

Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 25 2024 16:27 utc | 130

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 25 2024 0:53 utc | 67
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How very materialistic and legalistic to make this a matter of real estate dispute. A predictably Western worldview. LOL
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 14:41 utc | 107
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So sorry I believe in the rights of real people as opposed to the demands of your genocidal sky troll.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 25 2024 16:42 utc | 132

Israel’s unilateral declaration that it would not permit UNRWA aid shipments to northern Gaza contributed to its patron’s abstention. While Netanyahu has followed through on his threat to, short of a veto, cancel a high-level meeting between US and Israel officials, the pressure will build now as the larger threat to go it alone (Israel vs the World) is not strategically sustainable. Israel’s government may collapse.
The US will continue to follow its interests, which are tied to a “normalized” status quo, but at this point it appears the six-month window US influence provided Israel to eliminate Hamas will not end in success.
Posted by: jayc | Mar 25 2024 16:53 utc | 136
I wouldn’t get too excited. It’s an election year and awareness of the genocide and US support for it has grown considerably. I’d say it was just a temporary tactical move to manage appearances. Military and economic support for the Zionazis will continue as always (see new US budget details) until both imperialist parties are deposed by the people of the US or the US is defeated by China/Russia.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 25 2024 16:59 utc | 134

So sorry I believe in the rights of real people as opposed to the demands of your genocidal sky troll.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 25 2024 16:42 utc | 135
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Real people like Victoria Nuland? Real people like Boris Johnson? Real people like Benjamin Netanyahu? Those are real and substantial human beings that “get things done” in the “real world”.
My friend, you have lousy taste in heroes.
The “rights” you care about are useless to save lives or bring peace. I presume you’ve lived for some time, and have seen this play out enough times to understand that the claims don’t add up.
Maybe you’re an unrepentant optimist. I suppose that there are worse things to be.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 18:16 utc | 136

The latest UN Security Council resolution mandates Israel to halt hostilities for two weeks and release 3,500 Palestinian hostages. Simultaneously, Hamas defence forces are required to cease fire and return 134 displaced persons. This calls for an exchange, a longstanding request from Palestinians, aimed at establishing a truce.
I anticipate that the Netanyahu regime will not comply with the resolution, continuing its operation. This belief stems from historical patterns where Israel has consistently violated mandatory UN Security Council resolutions since the state
of Israel was established.
Biden is seriously miffed with Netanyahu. You can see a colour revolution heading to Israel in the coming weeks. A more compliant government in Tel Aviv and Netanyahu in jail. I bet he wished he hadn’t burnt his bridges with Russia. Although it has to be said that Israeli Ambassador to Russia did lay flowers for those massacred at the Crocus theatre

Posted by: Old Sovietologist | Mar 25 2024 18:52 utc | 138

RE: Are the Palestinians who die as Martyrs “hiding behind God”?
I find it fascinating that so many people claim to support the Palestinians while thinking that the Palestinians are stupid and delusional because they believe in God.
Friend, you’re just a human. Accepting that humans (with all of their weaknesses and failings) aren’t “running the show” is much more honest than the folks who think that politicians are going to create a better world. The latter, in my opinion, is childish and naive.
So, let’s be real. A lot of “super powerful” human beings in the bar who oppose the genocide. Why haven’t any of you stopped it yet? Waiting for a bat signal or some other theatrical device?
Or are you not so powerful and capable as you imagine human beings are, and wish you could do more, but accept that you cannot?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 20:59 utc | 42
I never eluded to any such thing as you are referring here.
Many individuals & groups die/martyr themselves for multiple reasons, one including “serving God”. Nor did I suggest anyone was “delusional” for believing in a God.
The “hiding” I was referring to, are those that believe “God” is going to come and right an injustice that humanity itself is able to.
This situation is the glaring example of the human condition as it is today. A global community that “waits” on a “legal” basis to intervene. (UNSC/ICJ) , or one that waits on “God” to intervene is the same to me.
I accept being human. With limitations.
I was simply pointing out the intervention wholly spotlighted the condition of humanity as the responsibility & accountability is is ours alone.
The “hiding” was In reference to the obfuscation of both responsibility & action. It is well within our ability to correct the situation. That’s all.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 25 2024 20:38 utc | 140

The UNSC Resolution is a very serious defeat for Netanyahu, no question about it.
But it isn’t the end of the matter, there is at least one more UNSC Resolution that will be required.
This is the reason why:
“Demands an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan respected by all parties leading to a lasting sustainable ceasefire,”
Well, whoop-de-dooooo. Unfortunate use of words, because the word “demand” is not found anywhere within the UN Charter.
And BECAUSE it isn’t found anywhere in the UN Charter THEN Netanyahu is legally entitled to turn around and say “No”
The word that is in the UN Charter (Article 25, if you want to look) is not “demand” but, instead, “decision”.
So if that sentence had begun with “Decides that there will be an immediate ceasefire….” then Netanyahu has no such wriggle-room.
Mark my words: there will be another UNSC Resolution, and it will come after Netanyahu flat-out rejects the UNSC’s “demand”.
That next Resolution will be short and sweet, and will say something like “Decides that Israel will comply with UNSCR 2728”
And that will be that: Netanyahu will be toast, Israel will have run out of excuses and continuing the genocide becomes pointless.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 25 2024 22:12 utc | 142

So sorry I believe in the rights of real people as opposed to the demands of your genocidal sky troll.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 25 2024 16:42 utc | 135
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Real people like Victoria Nuland? Real people like Boris Johnson? Real people like Benjamin Netanyahu? Those are real and substantial human beings that “get things done” in the “real world”.
My friend, you have lousy taste in heroes.
The “rights” you care about are useless to save lives or bring peace. I presume you’ve lived for some time, and have seen this play out enough times to understand that the claims don’t add up.
Maybe you’re an unrepentant optimist. I suppose that there are worse things to be.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 18:16 utc | 139
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I can see that following an argument isn’t your strong suit.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 25 2024 23:48 utc | 144

Yeah, Right | Mar 25 2024 22:12 utc | 145
*** Mark my words: there will be another UNSC Resolution, and it will come after Netanyahu flat-out rejects the UNSC’s “demand”.
That next Resolution will be short and sweet, and will say something like “Decides that Israel will comply with UNSCR 2728”
And that will be that: Netanyahu will be toast, Israel will have run out of excuses and continuing the genocide becomes pointless.***
Doubt it. Maybe this resolution was aimed at Netanyahu himself rather than Israel.
Which could explain the wording “error” you’ve spotted…
Probably connected with Benny Gantz “unofficially” visiting the USA, then Schumer partly altering his stance, plus Obama’s visit to Downing Street.
Coordinating an effort to undermine the Israeli PM — who has rudely ignored all ‘friendly’ advice to stop generating quite such bad PR — so he can more readily be deposed.
It may be that the conspirators are being a bit cautious because of the armed and fanatical militia now (thanks to Netanyahu) at the disposal of Ben-Gvir….

Posted by: Cynic | Mar 26 2024 0:57 utc | 146

Gen-z doesn’t follow organized religion so they don’t accept ethno supremacists’ claims of Biblical land grants to “chosen people”
Gen-z is inspired by Tik-Tok, not the Bible, which is why the Tribe has ordered their hirelings to ban Tik-Tok.

Posted by: Willow | Mar 26 2024 1:44 utc | 148

Israeli propagandist behind Hamas ‘mass rape’ narrative exposed as grifter, fraud
THE GRAYZONE·MARCH 25, 2024
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/25/israeli-propagandist-hamas-grifter-fraud/

Posted by: Exile | Mar 26 2024 6:28 utc | 150

The US says that they will ignore the UN Security Council resolution because it is “non-binding”. Israel is still bombing and killing the people in Gaza and in the West Bank, so obviously they don’t take it seriously – although I doubt anyone thought they would.
A spokesman for UN chief Antonio Guterres responded by issuing a statement that UN SC resolutions are legally binding for the UN’s 193 member nations, though without enforcement, they can be flouted. Chapter 7 of the UN charter allows the Security Council to authorize actions ranging from sanctions to military intervention.
Statement from Palestine’s envoy: “Security Council resolutions are binding,” said Riyad Mansour, Palestine’s envoy. “And if Israel is not going to implement it, then it is the duty of the Security Council to use Chapter 7 to take measures, and punitive measures, in order to make them obey the resolution of the Security Council.”
I am surprised at how quickly and blatantly the US tossed off the UNSC ceasefire resolution as so much blather and said they would simply ignore it. Thought it would take them a couple of days, at least. So much for the ‘rules-based order’ and international law. This is why the US representative voted “abstain”; we never had any intention of following the resolution anyway. Just imagine if Russia or China had pulled this shit. We have never honored one damn thing we signed: not one treaty, not one agreement, not one promise, not one pact. As Mahpiya Luta (Red Cloud, Oglala Lakota tribe) said, “They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they never kept but one; they promised to take our land, and they took it.”
Here’s an excerpt from an article on what our US spokespeople said yesterday about the matter:
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Biden administration officials made it clear that they allowed the resolution to pass because it is “non-binding” and will have “no impact at all” as the US continues to arm and support Israel’s genocide in Gaza.
The resolution declares that the Security Council “demands an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan, respected by all parties, leading to a lasting sustainable ceasefire, and also demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages.”
US Ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield explained that, in the view of the US, the “non-binding” resolution “put pressure on Hamas” for the “release of the first hostage.” She added, “what this resolution means is that a ceasefire of any duration must come with the release of hostages.”
White House National Security spokesman John Kirby was even more explicit, saying, “It is a non-binding resolution. So there’s no impact at all on Israel and Israel’s ability to continue to go after Hamas.
“It does not represent a change at all in our policy,” Kirby added.
Asked by a reporter whether the US has “no longer got Israel’s back,” Kirby replied, “Nothing could be further from the truth. Of course, we still have Israel’s back. I mean, as you and I are speaking, we are still providing tools and capabilities, weapons systems, so that Israel can defend itself.”
He added that there is “no change by this non-binding resolution in what Israel can or cannot do in terms of defending itself.”
In other words, the United States will continue to provide weapons and funding for Israel’s ongoing genocide […]
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/03/26/qrmj-m26.html
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Posted by: teri | Mar 26 2024 8:40 utc | 152

“There is no reason, provided that they learn to behave themselves, why the colonists should not be allowed to stay and build a new state hand in hand with their muslim and christian fellow Palestinians.”
Posted by: bevin | Mar 26 2024 17:09 utc | 40
Yep, no reason besides the fact that almost 100% of Jewish Israelis received stolen property and kept that property using murder, terrorism, rape and countless other crimes to keep it.
Israel should be dissolved, the criminals turned out with nothing and the property with everything in it turned over to the rightful owners.
That might just begin to repay what they owe.

Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 26 2024 21:58 utc | 154

Netanyahu the Nazi revisionist Zionist loves taking the credit for planning this genocide, but Kirby has just admitted full responsibility for it on behalf of the US, thinking like Tony Blair before him that bull-shitting about personal responsibility for obvious war crimes in the role of a senior political leader was artistic licence, a mere artistic flash of rhetoric, signifying nothing.
Are we going to see the manicured features of John Kirby acquire the rictus grin of Tony Blair and David Cameron, because of their personal admission of guilt in US war crimes?
Lawyers could argue that a personal confession by a criminal was the result of duress. So if Kirby is under duress , who is squeezing his balls? I think it’s fair to project that anything that damages Russia , the US bogeyman for Communism, or Islam the bogeyman for Truth, is fair game in the US Political Psyche.
Russia’s role in creating Israel as a Left-wing democracy is a red rag to a the psychopathy of US capitalism.
Therefore Kirby feels justified in ignoring international Law because McCarthyism still trumps sanity in US minds.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 27 2024 3:53 utc | 156