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March 24, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-089
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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The Israeli government has designated nearly 2,000 acres in the West Bank as state-owned land in a move described by rights groups as the biggest land grab on occupied Palestinian territories in decades. Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich argued that the declaration of state-owned land in the Jordan Valley on Friday was “an important and strategic issue.” “While there are those in Israel and the world who seek to undermine our right to Judea and Samaria and the country in general, we promote the settlement movement with hard work and in a strategic manner across the country,” Smotrich said in a statement, as quoted by the Times of Israel. Posted by: AI | Mar 24 2024 14:47 utc | 1 If I don’t steal your home, someone else will steal it,” was the answer given by an Israeli settler to Muna al-Kurd, a young Palestinian woman who accused him of stealing her home in the Sheikh Jarrah neighbourhood in the occupied East Jerusalem. Posted by: Exile | Mar 24 2024 15:37 utc | 2 This is probably the most barbaric genocide in all humanity: Posted by: Pq | Mar 24 2024 16:17 utc | 3 https://youtu.be/OCVVSB0QqhI?feature=shared Posted by: Pq | Mar 24 2024 16:26 utc | 4 On Friday, the UNSC vote on a temporary Gaza ceae-fire resolution presented by the United States was vetoed, due to its language which was deemed too one-sided in favour of Israel. The Algerian representative described the resolution as tacitly allowing “for continuing civilian casualties and lacks clear safeguards to prevent further escalation.” Posted by: jayc | Mar 24 2024 16:34 utc | 5 I’m sure you all are aware already, but I was very interested in something Mearsheimer said in his interview with Maté and Halper last week. Posted by: laguerre | Mar 24 2024 16:51 utc | 6 From Xymphora March 23: Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 24 2024 17:07 utc | 7 Posted by: laguerre | Mar 24 2024 16:51 utc | 6 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 17:09 utc | 8 The survival of the Palestinian people now rests wholly in their own hands. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 24 2024 17:09 utc | 9 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 24 2024 17:09 utc | 9 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 17:18 utc | 10 I posted this last week and I will post it again. The US is building a temporary pier in Gaza to exfiltrate Palestians from Gaza. The humaitarian aid and medical assistance will come in, people will go there for help, offers will be made to leave. Money will be paid out to resettle. Posted by: circumspect | Mar 24 2024 17:20 utc | 11 Posted by: circumspect | Mar 24 2024 17:20 utc | 11 Posted by: AI | Mar 24 2024 17:30 utc | 12 There’s an amusing line in the movie Mr & Mrs Smith which reminds me of “Israel.” The plot involves a married couple who operate as assassins for 2 competing US.gov secret agencies – unbeknown to each other. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 24 2024 17:37 utc | 13 A man worried about being called an insult is so weak as to be useless except as fodder. That weak man who cannot exercise his mind to follow his thoughts and implement his observations and reasoning into his life. He will never lead and he will never protect his family. Those such men can be found all over the West today. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 24 2024 17:42 utc | 14 Palestinians brought this on themselves with 10-7. Posted by: Javier | Mar 24 2024 18:09 utc | 15 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 24 2024 17:42 utc | 14 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 18:15 utc | 16 Posted by: Javier | Mar 24 2024 18:09 utc | 15 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 18:17 utc | 17 Why is the genocide in Gsza invisible for rhe educated in the EU? Posted by: vargas | Mar 24 2024 18:18 utc | 18 Javier | Mar 24 2024 18:09 utc | 15 Posted by: bevin | Mar 24 2024 18:20 utc | 19 Palestinians brought this on themselves with 10-7. Posted by: abono | Mar 24 2024 18:21 utc | 20 “Nothing that should be done has been done. Posted by: Dalit | Mar 24 2024 18:38 utc | 21 Javier | Mar 24 2024 18:09 utc | 15 “Why is the genocide in Gaza invisible for the educated in the EU?” Posted by: Simon | Mar 24 2024 19:07 utc | 23 and Posted by: Simon | Mar 24 2024 19:20 utc | 24 @La guerre 6 Posted by: Ornot | Mar 24 2024 19:23 utc | 25 circumspect | Mar 24 2024 17:20 utc | 11 Posted by: john | Mar 24 2024 19:24 utc | 26 Agreed. The entire rest of the world should enter occupied Palestine in force … Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 19:35 utc | 27 “VOX in Spain” Posted by: Simon | Mar 24 2024 20:01 utc | 28 When Thatcher invited her paedophile Jewish friend Jimmy Savile to Chequers, she was signing Israel’s green light to rape Palestinians. Posted by: Giyane | Mar 24 2024 20:01 utc | 29 john @ 26 Posted by: circumspect | Mar 24 2024 20:21 utc | 30 Israeli population is declining PDQ. Posted by: Exile | Mar 24 2024 20:30 utc | 31 RE: “Our anger (and I get angry too) is misplaced as this is all happening beyond our ability to affect.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 24 2024 20:31 utc | 32 RE: “Our anger (and I get angry too) is misplaced as this is all happening beyond our ability to affect.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 24 2024 20:31 utc | 33 Stephen Semler Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 20:36 utc | 34 asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 20:37 utc | 35 JB Nicholas Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 20:38 utc | 36 @HossamShabat Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 20:39 utc | 37 ☀️👀 Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 20:40 utc | 38 Prem Thakker Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 20:43 utc | 39 circumspect | Mar 24 2024 20:21 utc | 30 Posted by: john | Mar 24 2024 20:47 utc | 40 Stephen Semler Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 20:50 utc | 41 Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 24 2024 20:31 utc | 33 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 20:59 utc | 42 There is a reason why people pray for others in trouble, people who have gone missing, and people who are in mortal danger. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 21:10 utc | 43 🔻Russian President Putin: “We intend to take new steps to support PALESTINE.” Posted by: financial matters | Mar 24 2024 21:23 utc | 44 AJ+ Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 21:25 utc | 45 🔻Russian President Putin: “We intend to take new steps to support PALESTINE.” Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 21:30 utc | 46 Do you have a link? Posted by: financial matters | Mar 24 2024 21:43 utc | 47 “Israeli population is declining PDQ. “Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 19:35 utc | 27” Posted by: Dalit | Mar 24 2024 22:20 utc | 49 “Desperate for cash and under severe economic and social pressure domestically, the Egyptian government is once again walking into an EU-sponsored debt trap that is somehow labeled “strategic partnership. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 24 2024 22:20 utc | 50 When WW2 allied soldiers liberated Nazi concentration camp Bergen Belsen, they recalled a striking event within cages containing groups of prisoners. The SS guards kept informers within each cell, who had power of life and death over their fellows by informing on them. They exerted control within cells on behalf of the guards. Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 24 2024 22:22 utc | 51 Posted by: laguerre | Mar 24 2024 16:51 utc | 6 Posted by: pq | Mar 24 2024 22:42 utc | 52 From Richard Seymour, one of the ablest political commentators now writing: Posted by: JAB | Mar 24 2024 22:43 utc | 53 Echo Chamber 50 Posted by: Giyane | Mar 24 2024 22:44 utc | 54 BRICS supporters and MAGA supporters are very clearly in complete denial at this point in history. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 24 2024 22:48 utc | 55 JAB 53 Posted by: Giyane | Mar 24 2024 22:53 utc | 56 Posted by: Giyane | Mar 24 2024 22:44 utc | 54 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 24 2024 23:03 utc | 57 Echo Chamber | Mar 24 2024 22:48 utc | 55 Posted by: bevin | Mar 24 2024 23:13 utc | 58 I’d say that BRICS has already saved the world- for the moment. The creation of BRICS is one of the elements that keeps US sanctions from being effective against Russia. It provides a sanction-proof platform for creating an independent medium of international debt settlement. So far, so good. Posted by: Honzo | Mar 24 2024 23:20 utc | 59 JAB 53 – Many thanks for posting this fine article. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Mar 25 2024 0:01 utc | 61 And brave of you to ridicule someone who’s right while you advocate that everyone should sit on their asses and let non-existant fairy-tale beings do it, which they by definition will not. I’m not in charge of any country. If I went to Israel alone, and tried to stop them alone, they’d just kill me and it wouldn’t save anyone’s life, thus I have no duty to do so. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 0:14 utc | 62 A very large demonstration in Amman. The Jordanian government, which has been collaborating with Israel since 1948 (the Arab Legion never entered “Israeli” territory in that year’s ‘war’) is finding it increasingly difficult to keep the lid on its angry population. Posted by: bevin | Mar 25 2024 0:24 utc | 63 Incorrectly posted on Ukraine thread …
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 25 2024 0:30 utc | 64 🙂 Soon kite flying weather will come and we shall have white kites of angelic love flying all over, encouraging a better world! 🙂 Posted by: titmouse | Mar 25 2024 0:30 utc | 65 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 0:14 utc | 62 Posted by: dumbo | Mar 25 2024 0:36 utc | 66 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 0:14 utc | 62 Posted by: malenkov | Mar 25 2024 0:53 utc | 67 “What is the point of supporting the Palestinians if you hold their fundamental cultural beliefs in such contempt? Posted by: Dalit | Mar 25 2024 1:17 utc | 68 What is the point of supporting the Palestinians if you hold their fundamental cultural beliefs in such contempt? Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 25 2024 1:32 utc | 69 Palestinians brought this on themselves with 10-7. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 25 2024 1:51 utc | 70 Posted by: malenkov | Mar 25 2024 0:53 utc | 67 Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 25 2024 1:59 utc | 71 Posted by: Dalit | Mar 25 2024 1:17 utc | 69 Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 25 2024 2:02 utc | 72 lex talionis, thanks, I had assumed you left me off your list due to my complete lack of charisma and diplomacy (which I gave up on years ago). Posted by: Dalit | Mar 25 2024 2:13 utc | 73 Posted by: Dalit | Mar 25 2024 2:13 utc | 74 Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 25 2024 2:19 utc | 74 I ripped a hellacious stinker just now…goddamn it smells heavenly… Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 25 2024 2:24 utc | 75 52 Pq March 25,118 March 23. Norm Finkelstein is out of work because of his position on Palestine and is indeed “a failed intellectual” if his ‘career’ constitutes him to be so. As far as not being “a smart intellectual,” I disagree. He continues to win debates not against people like MOA who generally condemn Israel, but rather people in the media who support Israel and are popular in the media. He is actually putting a dent in public opinion by dessimating established lib. pundits. A thankless job I’d say, but somebody has to do it. He references his family history of having experienced the Holocaust and also his own personal experience as a Palestine supporter, a position which has been a major determinant of the direction of his life. He is real. He cuts thru all the talk. He shows the absurdity and depth of the falsities of the liberal deception that Israel is good underneath it all. He wipes away all the ‘democracy’crap. Whenever I listen to him I am encouraged that the truth can win. I believe others are also. “https://theintercept.com/2024/03/23/intercepted-doctor-gaza-interview/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter Posted by: Dalit | Mar 25 2024 2:57 utc | 77 There’s a massive problem with religiosity plain to see in Likud Nazi revisionist Zionism and Islamuc State, which is the manipulation of good and evil , by brainwashing, populism, nationalism etc . Posted by: Giyane | Mar 25 2024 3:17 utc | 78 PQ 118 March 23. You have reason to be angered by academics and you express the price to know the truth in the dominant climate of (non)thought in the US and minions but Palestine supporters and armchair watchers will look at differences between the PLO and Hamas. This won’t always “hurt the resistance”. NLR Sidecar article on the book by South African academic Haidar Eid discussed by Bevin (115 March 23) does lead to a question of why this book came out when it did to criticize while Hamas fights for the existence of Palestine. But the writer of the article (not of the book itself) clarified something that imo is important, which is that four of the groups supporting Hamas, including PFLP, are opposed to the unilateral appointment by the PLO of Muhammad Mustafa as Prime Minister to lead a ‘unifying’ Palestinian authority. I have read that the fighting militias know what each other is doing and coordinate; furthermore Hamas government was voted in by the majority of Gazans. Why are Russia and the US and others fixated on “the need to bring together” the Palestinians apparently under the leadership they approve? Middle of night – fool moon pulling me awake – read link from open thread by Peter Oborne, when will he get infront of Piers Morons ‘do you condemn Hamas show’. Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 25 2024 3:34 utc | 80 80 Posted by: Giyane | Mar 25 2024 3:55 utc | 81 @ Lavieja | Mar 25 2024 2:28 utc | 77 Posted by: fanto | Mar 25 2024 4:10 utc | 82 Ryan Heuser / @heuser.bsky Posted by: Menz | Mar 25 2024 5:40 utc | 83 In a new op-ed under the title ‘The dramatic demise of the Zionist project Israel’, I argue that a claim to a ‘right to exist’ is not provided for in international law. Today, the Zionist project Israel is facing the abyss. A binational state, free of Zionism, is a best-case scenario, a state in which all citizens have equal fundamental rights and ‘Jews and Palestinians join forces and, with combined efforts, develop the country into a beacon of prosperity and democracy in the Middle East.’ To this end, the country should draw up a constitution in which these rights are enshrined. Posted by: Paul-Robert | Mar 25 2024 6:48 utc | 84 87 full utopia. I’m within earlier poster that Gaza will be cleansed no matter usa and EU will take them and offers some huge financial package to make it palatable, job done. What’s a few more million illegals in either Europe or usa. As sad and defeatist as that is I don’t see some magical international court redirecting things. Usa hasn’t collapsed enough yet for an alt reality to occur. Posted by: Hankster | Mar 25 2024 7:09 utc | 85 @ Hankster: It pays to read an op-ed throroughly, and check all embedded links and footnotes, in particular https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-SQuxleYtI before posting a comment Posted by: Paul-Robert | Mar 25 2024 7:47 utc | 86 Posted by: circumspect | Mar 24 2024 20:21 utc | 30 Posted by: ryanggg | Mar 25 2024 8:10 utc | 87 Why are Russia and the US and others fixated on “the need to bring together” the Palestinians apparently under the leadership they approve? Posted by: pq | Mar 25 2024 8:16 utc | 88 Posted by: pq | Mar 25 2024 8:16 utc | 91 Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 25 2024 8:43 utc | 89 by: Paul-Robert | Mar 25 2024 7:47 utc | 89 Posted by: Hankster | Mar 25 2024 9:31 utc | 90 Lebanese TV reports: Posted by: Exile | Mar 25 2024 9:51 utc | 91 “Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 19:35 utc | 27” Anyway if someone does hear Mearsheimer, Finlestein or Sachs advocating for right of return please link and I will listen and if they do a proper job I will change my opinion of them from negative to positive. Posted by: laguerre | Mar 25 2024 10:38 utc | 93 “Climate finance ought to be climate reparations in the form of debt cancellation, cash transfers, and transfer of life-saving technology for transformative investments in food sovereignty and agroecology, renewable energy, clean cooking, and clean transportation infrastructure manufactured and deployed in Africa.” …… (video) Testimonies from survivors of the Israeli siege of Al-Shifa Hospital and the surrounding area describe field executions, house burnings, civilians being run over by tank treads, and army dogs attacking both the living and the dead…… Posted by: Exile | Mar 25 2024 10:46 utc | 95 Canuk! Are you in your cups again? It’s mid morning here. Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 25 2024 11:03 utc | 96 “I didn’t read your article , I’m only commenting on the whole 2 state one state zero state. The idea has been thrashed to death for 75 years” Posted by: Simon | Mar 25 2024 11:14 utc | 97 @ Posted by: canuck | Mar 24 2024 21:49 utc | 48 Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 25 2024 11:16 utc | 98 @ Posted by: pq | Mar 24 2024 22:42 utc | 52 Posted by: V123ren@gmail.com | Mar 25 2024 11:37 utc | 99 “God botherers, Marxists and Neoliberal/Con merchants are all joined at the hip – they are the pulpit bashers that keep the masses down with their invented religions , anti-heroic satanism, imaginary hell and heaven in an afterlife (including the latest , newest, godliest religions of Climate/GND/Carbon/Trans, AI … joining their now rancid religion of economics the fake God/Satan reinvention as capitalism/anti-capitalism. |
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