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March 24, 2024

Palestine Open Thread 2024-089

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The Israeli government has designated nearly 2,000 acres in the West Bank as state-owned land in a move described by rights groups as the biggest land grab on occupied Palestinian territories in decades. Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich argued that the declaration of state-owned land in the Jordan Valley on Friday was “an important and strategic issue.” “While there are those in Israel and the world who seek to undermine our right to Judea and Samaria and the country in general, we promote the settlement movement with hard work and in a strategic manner across the country,” Smotrich said in a statement, as quoted by the Times of Israel.

Posted by: AI | Mar 24 2024 14:47 utc | 1

If I don’t steal your home, someone else will steal it,” was the answer given by an Israeli settler to Muna al-Kurd, a young Palestinian woman who accused him of stealing her home in the Sheikh Jarrah neighbourhood in the occupied East Jerusalem.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/4/if-i-dont-steal-your-home-someone-else-will-jewish-settler-says

Posted by: Exile | Mar 24 2024 15:37 utc | 2

This is probably the most barbaric genocide in all humanity:

After a week long siege on Al Shifa that included:
-executing medical staff
-abducting hundreds of patients and medics
- raping and then killing womeñ
- allowing injured to bleed to death and leaving patients with festering wounds without access to food, water, medicine or doctors (who had been rounded up and taken somewhere else)
-blowing up the surgery department that had been made partly functional after it was destroyed the first few times
-leaving all inside without food or water for a week

Israel is now laying seige to Khan Younis hospital and

The Palestinian Red Crescent has issued the following press statement regarding the surprise Israeli military raid and siege of its Al-Amal Hospital in Khan Yunis:

Israeli occupation forces have closed the gates of the Al-Amal Hospital with earthen barriers.

The Israeli forces fired smoke bombs towards the hospital buildings to force medical teams, wounded, and displaced persons to leave.

An Israeli drone requested all those present in the hospital to leave it naked.

So many more people would be alive today or would have died less painfully without this war on Gaza hospitals.

https://youtu.be/3mN1SRUx0R8?feature=shared
Account from Al Shifa. Quds News Network has more on horrifying rapes.

Posted by: Pq | Mar 24 2024 16:17 utc | 3

https://youtu.be/OCVVSB0QqhI?feature=shared

Young boy recounts how Israelis randomly executed people including his father in Al Shifa.

Don't know if previous comment got through. To recap after terrifying week long Al Shifs with every manner of atrocity, two more hospitals are now under siege.

Posted by: Pq | Mar 24 2024 16:26 utc | 4

On Friday, the UNSC vote on a temporary Gaza ceae-fire resolution presented by the United States was vetoed, due to its language which was deemed too one-sided in favour of Israel. The Algerian representative described the resolution as tacitly allowing “for continuing civilian casualties and lacks clear safeguards to prevent further escalation.”

Following the vote, the U.S. representative described an impasse whereby any “alternative resolutions” which fail to “support the diplomacy happening on the ground” - I.e. the acceptance of the U.S.-Israel negotiating position - will continue to face veto by U.S. This impasse is effectively the status quo, and it will likely take a sudden catastrophe, anything from mass famine casualties or a collapse of Israel’s government, for the necessary humanitarian mission to proceed.

Posted by: jayc | Mar 24 2024 16:34 utc | 5

I'm sure you all are aware already, but I was very interested in something Mearsheimer said in his interview with Maté and Halper last week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0_CReHGOKM

At one point he talks about the publication of his book on the Israel Lobby with Steve Walt in 2007. He remarked, of course he was criticised on all sides about the book, by everybody, Jew (the Lobby) and non-Jew. He was also widely praised for the book, but only by Jews. No non-Jew dared raise his head above the parapet for fear of being accused of being anti-semitic. It's worth reflecting that. I've just been through the same experience. A pro-Palestinian motion we voted in the CNRS, in an Arab studies group, was refused permission to be posted by the top authorities for fear of being accused of being anti-semitic. Me, I don't care any more; if you act, even utter a word, on behalf of Palestine, you are going to be accused of anti-semitism immediately in any circumstances. People are just going to have to know that, and I suspect they will, after the present slaughter is over, as things are going to get bad.

Posted by: laguerre | Mar 24 2024 16:51 utc | 6

From Xymphora March 23:

"WHAT!? Yemen just Closed Red Sea to Israeli and US Ships in Deal with Russia, China“ (Haiphong). “Yemen's Houthis penetrate Israel's missile defences in Eilat for first time“ (The New Arab)."

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 24 2024 17:07 utc | 7

Posted by: laguerre | Mar 24 2024 16:51 utc | 6

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The thing that Palestinians have going for them is courage. They aren't worried about not being "woke" or canceled. They are worried about survival and obeying their God.

That, IMO, is why religion has been under such assault for so long. People who recognize the highest power as the only one worth obeying are a threat to all man-made attempts to rule and direct people.

Early Kings ruled by Divine Decree, a concept meant to imbue them with power and authority that a regular human could not lay claim to.

A man worried about being called an insult is so weak as to be useless except as fodder. That weak man who cannot exercise his mind to follow his thoughts and implement his observations and reasoning into his life. He will never lead and he will never protect his family. Those such men can be found all over the West today.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 17:09 utc | 8

The survival of the Palestinian people now rests wholly in their own hands.

The entirety of mankind has been proven to be morally bankrupt, or if not that then impotent and if not that then feeble.

All that must be said has been said.

Nothing that should be done has been done.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 24 2024 17:09 utc | 9

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 24 2024 17:09 utc | 9

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The survival of the Palestinians, and all life, has always rested in the hands of God. The youngest child in Gaza knows and is willing to die for this belief.

Our anger (and I get angry too) is misplaced as this is all happening beyond our ability to affect.

We're just humans.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 17:18 utc | 10

I posted this last week and I will post it again. The US is building a temporary pier in Gaza to exfiltrate Palestians from Gaza. The humaitarian aid and medical assistance will come in, people will go there for help, offers will be made to leave. Money will be paid out to resettle.

In 5 years the US Christian Zionists will be sunning themselves on the beaches of Gaza in hotels built by the Trump organization. All the back and forth between Israel and the US is a charade. It is for the election. The US will step in and save the day by paving a path for a couple of million Palestians to leave Gaza.

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 24 2024 17:20 utc | 11

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 24 2024 17:20 utc | 11

US is a regime who wants no friends just enemies everywhere.

Posted by: AI | Mar 24 2024 17:30 utc | 12

There's an amusing line in the movie Mr & Mrs Smith which reminds me of "Israel." The plot involves a married couple who operate as assassins for 2 competing US.gov secret agencies - unbeknown to each other.

Things get complicated in the Smith household when Mrs Smith is ordered to eliminate Mr Smith. During one of their many potentially violent confrontations, Mrs Smith asserts that "If a story has a happy ending, it's not finished yet."

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 24 2024 17:37 utc | 13

A man worried about being called an insult is so weak as to be useless except as fodder. That weak man who cannot exercise his mind to follow his thoughts and implement his observations and reasoning into his life. He will never lead and he will never protect his family. Those such men can be found all over the West today.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 17:09 utc | 8

That "mere insult" is frequently accompanied by a material economic attack on the individual and by extension his family. Oh, and in many states one can be prosecuted for critique of Israel or "hate crimes", "antisemitism" is presumed to be a hate crime in the west.

One should speak up regardless, but it's not a mere insult in the west. It's the scarlet letter.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 24 2024 17:42 utc | 14

Palestinians brought this on themselves with 10-7.

Pull the lions tail and get eaten…

Posted by: Javier | Mar 24 2024 18:09 utc | 15

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 24 2024 17:42 utc | 14

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It is difficult for the Western mind to grasp the sacrifices of Gandhi and Nelson Mandela.

It boggles people's minds that 10-year-old boys and girls face down armed IDF with assault weapons in occupied Palestine.

Meanwhile, people in the West passive-aggressively stop buying overpriced Starbucks coffee. That is their sacrifice for justice.

It's weak. When you see NATO getting its lunch handed to them, that is a byproduct of the lack of courage, conviction, and spiritual power that has been stripped away (where it wasn't discarded) by Westerners. It's not that Russians have better science, it's that Russians want it more.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 18:15 utc | 16

Posted by: Javier | Mar 24 2024 18:09 utc | 15

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What did the Palestinians do that brought the previous 60 years of apartheid and oppression on them?

Race supremacists like yourself (whether you know it or not) are barely human, IMO.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 18:17 utc | 17

Why is the genocide in Gsza invisible for rhe educated in the EU?
Is that an adoratipn of Israel or hate against the Arabs?

Posted by: vargas | Mar 24 2024 18:18 utc | 18

Javier | Mar 24 2024 18:09 utc | 15

thanks. I'd never thought of it that way before:

Because Palestinian forces attacked Israeli sttelements-on Palestinian land- on October 7th Every dwelling place in Gaza, 20,000 plus women and children and all other inhabitants can justifiably be killed.
Does the same logic apply to Israel? Or to your family and your neighbourhood?

Posted by: bevin | Mar 24 2024 18:20 utc | 19

Palestinians brought this on themselves with 10-7.

Pull the lions tail and get eaten…

Posted by: Javier | Mar 24 2024 18:09 utc | 15

this kind of attitude is not helpful to anyone. a lack of empathy is probably something that comes back around; it looks like this is what happened in the west generally over the last several decades.

Posted by: abono | Mar 24 2024 18:21 utc | 20

“Nothing that should be done has been done.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 24 2024 17:09 utc | 9”

Agreed. The entire rest of the world should enter occupied Palestine in force, destroy the Israeli military, and rescue the Palestinians- before they starve, instead of waiting, and if the damned bastards currently running the U.S. don’t like it, there’s a simple gesture the rest of the world should use. If the U.S. tries to stop them by force, there’s a perfectly justified response for that, too.

“We’re just humans.” And just humans are the only force for good in the universe. No one and no thing is going to do it for us if we sit around pointlessly talking to the sky or banging our heads on the floor. If “we” were “just humans” in the sense of being for justice, action would have been made months ago.

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 24 2024 18:38 utc | 21

Javier | Mar 24 2024 18:09 utc | 15
"Pull the lions tail and get eaten…"

Wrong animal, Hamas hit the hyenas hard, because of the increasing number of deaths during the "arrest raids" (2 to 10 per day), land and house theft and destruction, settler theft, Al-Aqsa and a prospective sacrifice (continues with the recent importation of three red heifers from the US to be sacrificed to "bring forth the new Messiah (?)) All by slowly increasing the overall brutality since 1948.

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 24 2024 18:38 utc | 22

"Why is the genocide in Gaza invisible for the educated in the EU?"

Sum of causes:

(1) the Media Bubble made of Tons and Tons and Tons of silence, sulence anda more silence: the main function of the Media Bubble is to act as a firewall.

(2) ignorance, i have chatted with now ex-friends, university professors, and i can assure you that any Afghan goat knows more than this bunch of brutes.

(3) Western Mental Software is a Fusion of Roman imperial ideology and bloody Aramaic fantasies: the new fusion (Zionism) has easily replaced the old fusion (so-called Christianity).

(4) Natural identification with the Dominant who takes them out of their insignificant lives.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 24 2024 19:07 utc | 23

and

(5) And there are many people who are enthusiastic about a mixture of fanaticism, chimpanzee mind and tribe that worships itself as the primordial horde: that fusion is in archaic language called: the satanic.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 24 2024 19:20 utc | 24

@La guerre 6

As the saying goes, both sides are played. If you are from the left and defend Palestinians you are anti-semitic, if you are from the right even more so.

The left have tied themselves into a knot, so many times I have previously been attacked from left for simply questioning if modern themes that raised the "plight of jews" were not possibly fabricated (for example a recent Kristallnacht controversy in Germany).

The modern european right not only try to distance themselves from previous nationalisms, but are tied up into US nationalism which is also tied into Zionism via religious channels at voter level. The US is an accepted "success" story of colonisation, self identity. "Israel" is a "biblical homeland". The extremes used to enforce the view are accepted at right because the alternative is to be powerless and without identity given the nihilist approach of the opposition.

So VOX in Spain is funded by M.E.K. for example... Le Pen backs "Israel".

Identity, localist, traditionalist movements are hammered because they pose too many obvious questions to both sides. In EU regionalism and destruction of nation state is priority, but in a centraly controlled manner.

CNRS - In France, at least until recently, national survey by ethnic classification was not allowed because it was considered descriminatory. You know how authority there can be to anyone who is thought to challenge, some choose exile. I chose not to return after forced entry to home and arrest in front of family without warrant, jail, only released after signing a form waiving responsibility. I am not even politically involved, am more academic and certainly not confrontational. Critical study requires us to contemplate from various angles, some don't like that, some expect an answer and not to be shown apparent contradictions.

Even the definition of "semite" is so broad as to make "anti-semite" useless ... it is a "you know what it means wink wink" term. Do Palestinians consider themselves children of Shem ? The word is completely biased. The search for a definition of what "a jew" actually stands for has already been had (race, religion, nationality etc.).

Well, when you have people in authority directly and openly threaten your family, when what you write gets banned in search for no apparent reason...even here, I write when I have something to say and walk, one comment per post and I don't return, because I know what to expect. So not interactive, just thoughts and observations as participation.

I have had the same kind of attention with regard to monetary theory. If you point out falsity or corruption in the system you don't find friends.

Anyway, I should be one to dislike Palestinians because I was set up to carry explosives onto a flight by a couple, when I was slightly more naive...but I didn't, and I don't.

If I witnessed anyone behaving towards any other creature the way "Israel" is towards Palestinians I would be disgusted and outraged.

Jonathan Cook attempts to understand the modern nature of "anti-semitism" here:

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2024-03-07/antisemitism-shield-israel-genocide/

Posted by: Ornot | Mar 24 2024 19:23 utc | 25

circumspect | Mar 24 2024 17:20 utc | 11

In 5 years the US Christian Zionists will be sunning themselves on the beaches of Gaza in hotels built by the Trump organization

I don't think so. The Palestinians know that if they leave their land they will probably lose it for good. So they won't be leaving. They also know that the counter movement in course cannot be subdued, and that Palestinian solidarity will only continue to coalesce(high five to young people the world over). Of course they already have a demographic advantage, whereas jewish omnipresence, as history well informs us, is already untenable. Anyway, jews are essentially a nomadic people, and will go elsewhere, or live peacefully as a minority in a Palestinian state.

As a caveat, I also think that in the next 5 years(10 max) peak evil will encounter peak resistance. If we survive that, I'll be pretty sure that things can never get worse.

Posted by: john | Mar 24 2024 19:24 utc | 26

Agreed. The entire rest of the world should enter occupied Palestine in force ...

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 24 2024 18:38 utc | 21

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It is brave of you to go to the front line next week to implement your heroic ideas.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 19:35 utc | 27

"VOX in Spain"

This is a good example: they are neither conservatives nor patriots, they are "servile" (ca. 1814-1833) who have substituted King Ferdinand VII, "the Master", for Washington. And the hill the Vatican has been replaced by the hill (tell) in spring (aviv)

Their real and effective heroes are the Marine Corps general of the time, a certain Pontius Pilate, and the Sadducean high priest Annas the Elder. But they call themselves "Christians". Bloody Comedy.

Their grandfathers were enthusiasts of German Fascism, and they are now enthusiasts of Judaic Fascism.

They are enthusiasts of a regime founded (1917-) by Ukrainian, Polish, Lithuanian and Byelorussian emigrants.

For more joke they resent the rustic copy of Zionism that Spain suffered: the Eta; but they justify the authentic and original version in the land of Canaan.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 24 2024 20:01 utc | 28

When Thatcher invited her paedophile Jewish friend Jimmy Savile to Chequers, she was signing Israel's green light to rape Palestinians.

What Sunak is doing now by doing it, or technically speaking giving orders for it to be done, is signing for
the total destruction of Israel and the permanent expulsion of Jews and Zionists.

It may take 40 years , like Savile and Thatcher's plan. Or as Allah says many times in the Qur'an:
' We did not do them injustice. They did injustice to themselves, '
expulsion and eternity in Hell.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 24 2024 20:01 utc | 29

john @ 26
I am not so sure. No food, no fuel, no electricity, no medicine, no shelter, plenty of bombs and bullets raining down. It may come to a point that they have no choice but to die or leave. The Zionist can replentish their ranks by the same means they have always, people accepting their religion. There are millions of Christian Zionists who would love to convert and move there if the path was open. It appears the path is being cleared. They will deal with the West Bank later.

There are many Palestians who have given up and left here in the US. The countries in the region will bluff and bluster but in the end they will stand aside. They are standing aside.

Could I be wrong in part? Maybe. The Western powers will do nothing. Russian and China are not in a postion to do anything. Africa? Not a chance. The global courts are a joke. The Palestians have few friends. If they had any this would never have never happened and they cities would not be walled in.

The PLO had a global diplomatic reprentation and they were making inroads to get their nation recogized and seperated from Israel. Israel funded Hamas to block that threat and demolsih the PLO's standing. Now they feel the blowback and they will deal with the consequences.

The regional powers could not erase Israel so they no quietly acquiesce to their existance. Where the Palestians have been forced to flee in the region over these many decades they are looked upon with little favor. Some have become successful in their new countries but most have not.

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 24 2024 20:21 utc | 30

Israeli population is declining PDQ.

More than 10% have left since 2.Oct. Very few want to return - a poll Shows 80% of Israeli citizens currently living abroad have no intention of ever returning.

Geez - even Bibi‘s son lives in Miami.

Posted by: Exile | Mar 24 2024 20:30 utc | 31

RE: “Our anger (and I get angry too) is misplaced as this is all happening beyond our ability to affect.”

“We're just humans.”

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 17:18 utc | 10

If we were talking about an earthquake or hail storm, I’d agree.
This is neither of those, and hiding behind “God” to make everything alright someday, is hardly absolution. We are humans indeed. Humans willing to serve a mammon loving satanic death cult, and this is the consequence.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 24 2024 20:31 utc | 32

RE: “Our anger (and I get angry too) is misplaced as this is all happening beyond our ability to affect.”

“We're just humans.”

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 17:18 utc | 10

If we were talking about an earthquake or hail storm, I’d agree.
This is neither of those, and hiding behind “God” to make everything alright someday, is hardly absolution. We are humans indeed. Humans willing to serve a mammon loving satanic death cult, and this is the consequence.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 24 2024 20:31 utc | 33

Stephen Semler
@stephensemler
Minutes after signing a bill giving Israel $3.8 billion in weapons, Biden demands the House pass his foreign aid bill, which would give Israel $14.1 billion in weapons.

Name another priority Biden's more passionate about than arming Israel.

https://twitter.com/stephensemler/status/1771607634270961888

Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 20:36 utc | 34

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل
@asadabukhalil
According to a poll, Hamas has the support of 70% of Palestinians in the West Bank/Gaza, and Ismail Haniyyah wins against Mahmoud Abbas 70-22%. Yet, US and Gulf despots insist that Fatah and Abbas represent the Palestinians. West loves democracy only if results are in their favor

https://twitter.com/asadabukhalil/status/1771972286578618725

Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 20:37 utc | 35

JB Nicholas
@JasonBNicholas
ISRAEL'S PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU CAUGHT ON TAPE MOCKING AMERICA, PLOTTING GENOCIDE, ADMITTING SABOTAGING OSLO ACCORD PEACE TREATY WITH PALESTINIANS

VIDEO 1 of 2 BELOW (WITH SOUND)

-Boasts about conning Congress: "America is something that you can easily maneuver, and move in the right direction."

-Boasts about undermining the Oslo Accords, a Peace Treaty that was supposed to result in the withdrawal of Israel from Palestinian land seized by Israel during the Six Day War in 1967:

"What happened to the Oslo Accords? The accords which were ratified in Parliament."

"I gave my own interpretation to the agreements. In such a way that will allow me to stop the race back to the 1967 borders."

Netanyahu explains: the Oslo Accords did not define "what 'military facilities are. So I defined them as 'security zones.' The entire Jordan Valley, for me, is a 'military facility.'"

-Netanyahu reveals that, instead of negotiation, his way for dealing with the Palestinians is keeping bombing them into submission: "The main thing first of all is to strike them. Not once but several times, so painfully that the price they pay is unbearable."

Netanyahu also openly fantasized about "a large-scale attack on the Palestinian Authority." One that caused them "to fear everything is about to collapse."

-Boasts how he deceived America, Pres.
@BillClinton
, betrayed the Palestinians and undermined the Oslo Accords:

"It's "better to give 2% than 100% and this was the choice we faced. You give 2%, but you stopped the withdrawal, rather than 100%."

Read all about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's secret video, where he's caught on tape mocking American and plotting genocide against the Palestinians

https://twitter.com/JasonBNicholas/status/1771670635506225207

Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 20:38 utc | 36

@HossamShabat
Sexual assault according to testimonies from Al-Shifa hospital :

“A husband and wife, along with their young children who were displaced, sought shelter at Al-Shifa Hospital. The pregnant wife was forcibly undressed by Israeli forces despite informing them of her pregnancy; they continued to kick her. Then , they assaulted and raped her in front of her family and other men, threatening to shoot her husband and the other men if they closed their eyes.”

https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1771777966743175420

Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 20:39 utc | 37

☀️👀
@zei_squirrel
BREAKING: Josh Paul, senior State Department official for many years, says he raised the horrific case of a 13 year old Palestinian boy raped by Israeli forces. The regime responded by shutting the charity that reported it. Israel is mass raping Palestinian children

https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1731796063265177646

Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 20:40 utc | 38

Prem Thakker
@prem_thakker
The US continues to suspend funding UNRWA — a UN agency that aids Palestinian refugees — and now moves to ban funding for a year as 1.1 million people in Gaza face famine.
As Israeli accusations remain unproven, other nations have reinstated funding.

Read: https://theintercept.com/2024/03/22/gaza-unrwa-funding-congress/

https://twitter.com/prem_thakker/status/1771291187946688612

Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 20:43 utc | 39

circumspect | Mar 24 2024 20:21 utc | 30

The Palestians have few friends

The Israelis have even fewer. As horrific as things are now in Palestine, remember that these people have been resisting this treatment for many decades. Even a slight shift in perception at the global level can alter profoundly the reality in meat space.

Posted by: john | Mar 24 2024 20:47 utc | 40

Stephen Semler
@stephensemler
All but two Democratic senators just voted to:
-give Israel $3.8B in weapons, violating US law
-defund a UN inquiry into Israel's violations of international law
-defund UNRWA, worsening famine in Gaza
-sanction the UN Human Rights Council if it highlights Israeli abuses

https://twitter.com/stephensemler/status/1771572433016791403


Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 20:50 utc | 41

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 24 2024 20:31 utc | 33

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Are the Palestinians who die as Martyrs "hiding behind God"?

I find it fascinating that so many people claim to support the Palestinians while thinking that the Palestinians are stupid and delusional because they believe in God.

Friend, you're just a human. Accepting that humans (with all of their weaknesses and failings) aren't "running the show" is much more honest than the folks who think that politicians are going to create a better world. The latter, in my opinion, is childish and naive.

So, let's be real. A lot of "super powerful" human beings in the bar who oppose the genocide. Why haven't any of you stopped it yet? Waiting for a bat signal or some other theatrical device?

Or are you not so powerful and capable as you imagine human beings are, and wish you could do more, but accept that you cannot?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 20:59 utc | 42

There is a reason why people pray for others in trouble, people who have gone missing, and people who are in mortal danger.

That is because when the SHTF, people know that they can't do much about a serious crisis.

As they say, "No atheists in foxholes". When you can't do anything, you'll appeal to even what you think doesn't exist for help.

Or, that person doesn't care as much as they like to put on in public among others. They like to emote for virtue signaling but know that if help came, then the attention would be off of them, and then they would have to go back to being a nobody. Some people need problems to have self-esteem.

I find it amazing that some humans think that other humans are so wonderful when no one knows us better than ourselves.

We all lie, we all put our interests first, and we all fail. Why do we expect another person to do that much better, and what does it say about ourselves that recognize our inferiority and still won't accept it?

It is entirely possible that to be human is to be crazier than a bag of cats.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 21:10 utc | 43

🔻Russian President Putin: "We intend to take new steps to support PALESTINE."
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:)

Posted by: financial matters | Mar 24 2024 21:23 utc | 44

AJ+
@ajplus
Israel is accused of stealing organs from dead Palestinians.

Medics and relatives in Gaza have reported bodies being returned with missing hearts, kidneys and livers.

But this isn’t the first time Israel has been accused of organ theft.

Watch the video for proof:

https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1771634271050211595

Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 21:25 utc | 45

🔻Russian President Putin: "We intend to take new steps to support PALESTINE."

Posted by: financial matters | Mar 24 2024 21:23 utc

Do you have a link?

Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 21:30 utc | 46

Do you have a link?

Posted by: Menz | Mar 24 2024 21:30 utc | 46
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Warfare Analysis News on telegram

I would add that like most things Putin does there has likely been a lot of analysis, preparation, and coordination.

Posted by: financial matters | Mar 24 2024 21:43 utc | 47

"Israeli population is declining PDQ.

More than 10% have left since 2.Oct. Very few want to return - a poll Shows 80% of Israeli citizens currently living abroad have no intention of ever returning.

Geez - even Bibi‘s son lives in Miami."

Posted by: Exile | Mar 24 2024 20:30 utc | 31

Israel has fouled its own nest so completely and deplorably they won't be a viable state within 5 or 10 years

Posted by: canuck | Mar 24 2024 21:49 utc | 48

“Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 19:35 utc | 27”

And brave of you to ridicule someone who’s right while you advocate that everyone should sit on their asses and let non-existant fairy-tale beings do it, which they by definition will not. I’m not in charge of any country. If I went to Israel alone, and tried to stop them alone, they'd just kill me and it wouldn’t save anyone’s life, thus I have no duty to do so. Guess I shouldn’t say anything to criticize hypocrites who tell everyone there’s nothing they can do, everyone should sit and do nothing and let the Palestinians die while their made-up crap deities do nothing either. If your statements are enough to stop people from pushing for real action that would save lives, then you are an accomplice in mass murder. At least I’m doing what I can do to help.

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 24 2024 22:20 utc | 49

"Desperate for cash and under severe economic and social pressure domestically, the Egyptian government is once again walking into an EU-sponsored debt trap that is somehow labeled "strategic partnership.

It is certainly strategic for the EU to Arab-wash its complicity in the Gaza genocide by pushing through the export of stolen gas from occupied Palestine via Egyptian LNG plants, all for the sake of the EU's energy security. Allow me to quote my dear colleague Sultan Barakat’s recent op-ed on this subject.

This is a painful reminder of the failed EU energy security policies, which continue to be anti-climate, extractive, and colonial deals drenched in Palestinian, African, and Latin American blood.

Almost the entire $8 billion "aid" package is in the form of loans, European private sector investments; de-risked, of course, to ensure profitability to foreign investors, and greenwashed extractive investments. The grants portion of the deal is designed for Egypt to police EU-bound migration at the source.

This is a classic EU bilateral strategy of economic entrapment designed to keep African countries locked at the bottom of the global value chain, drained of their natural resources at the lowest possible cost, and policed by their own governments in a system of neocolonial abuse under the guise of "strategic partnership".


So How would BRICS do it differently ?

"The state of climate finance today is disturbingly absurd. Global North countries owe a climate debt to the Global South, but instead of offering transformative climate finance in the form of debt relief, grants and transfer of life-saving technology for climate adaptation, they offer market-based greenwashed colonial entrapment in the form of loans, pollution permits (a.k.a. carbon credits), and de-risked extractive investments.

From a Global South perspective, climate finance ought to be a climate debt issue. The Global North has exceeded its carbon budget by appropriating and colonizing the atmospheric commons, which means the Global North owes a climate debt to the Global South. According to a recent study by Fanning and Hickel (2023), climate debt is estimated to be $193 trillion! Compare that to the $700 millions pledged to the Loss and Damage Fund!

So when someone owes a $100 debt, they are supposed to pay $100. However, in today’s climate finance framework, that person will give you $3 (disbursed in 12 installments) and will dictate what you can do with your $3 (requiring KPIs, transparency, accountability and quarterly reporting; otherwise disbursement is halted).

Next, they will offer you a $7 loan at a concessional interest rate (noblesse oblige) but also with conditionalities dictating your spending and investment choices. Then, they will give you $5 but only if you give them your forest (carbon credits). Next, they will invest $10 in water-intensive green hydrogen projects for their own use.

And finally they will also invest another $12 in obsolete assembly line manufacturing by low-cost labour to be exported to their consumer markets, but only if you de-risk it and blend-finance it to guarantee their profits.

All of this camouflaged extraction is happening when you are supposed to simply receive the $100 of climate debt owed to you without having to give anything in exchange. This is what climate finance looks like today. It’s greenwashed neocolonial extraction and abuse dressed up in market-based climate finance solutions.

Climate finance ought to be climate reparations in the form of debt cancellation, cash transfers, and transfer of life-saving technology for transformative investments in food sovereignty and agroecology, renewable energy, clean cooking, and clean transportation infrastructure manufactured and deployed in Africa.

Why the EU and Germany’s and BRICS investments in Aftica's green industrialization is in fact economic entrapment, green colonialism, decarbonization by dispossession for Namibia, in addition to it being an economic trade weapon for Germany against its global competitors, and an inflation management tool for the EU thanks to the CBAM tax. "

Full story with video

HERE:

https://globalsouthperspectives.substack.com/p/climate-reparations-not-finance

BRICS talking left while walking right.

Debt cancellation alone is not enough

https://globalsouthperspectives.substack.com/p/debt-cancellation-alone-is-not-enough

It is a smoke and mirrors play. BRICS Talking left while walking right.

BRICS Carbon credit markets are just a continuation of neoliberalism wrapped in colonialism.

Too many people are in denial and are active in projecting that denial onto others.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 24 2024 22:20 utc | 50

When WW2 allied soldiers liberated Nazi concentration camp Bergen Belsen, they recalled a striking event within cages containing groups of prisoners. The SS guards kept informers within each cell, who had power of life and death over their fellows by informing on them. They exerted control within cells on behalf of the guards.

Once the liberating allied soldiers appeared and it became clear that the SS guards were gone, a violent commotion broke out within each cell accompanied by terrified shrieking. In every cell, all the inmates were literally tearing apart with their hands and teeth the informer within each cell. The power support of those informers was gone and their position fatally vulnerable.

This incident is an analogy of what will happen to Israel when the support it receives from the ISA and Europe, stops. As it will. Justice will come quickly.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 24 2024 22:22 utc | 51

Posted by: laguerre | Mar 24 2024 16:51 utc | 6

Who has read Mearsheimer's book? The whole point of it was to say AIPAC is NEEDED. The book is mostly about "religious terrorism". You can guess which religion is the target of his book. His book is all about support for the war of terror and finding excuses for Israel's influence over US foreign policy.

TLDR of his book: Israel's neighbours are a threat to it, and therefore to the USA. So we need AIPAC although it would be nice if they were a little less loud and in your face. They should tone it down a bit.

Hasbara always try to get ahead of looming problems. People were questioning AIPAC so he wrote about it in a way which superficially seems to be criticizing it but actually supports it. I would not be surprised if the original article and / or book were AIPAC's idea in the first place.

A non-Jewish professor who had written a book properly criticizing AIPAC without every second word being "religious terror" would lose his cushy chair and job at the University of Chicago and have the ADL come after him so hard he would not only lose his job, he would lose his house and be left bankrupt with the subsequent lawsuits. With no option for a future academic career.

None of those things happened to Mearsheimer. The only reason any "anti-Semitic" criticism was leveled at him was to try and make his book appear more authentic.

The keyword is in your phrase, "Me, I don't care any more"... this is the first time in my lifetime I've seen people be able to criticize Israel without immediately getting fired. Imho this is only because we have over 40,000 dead Palestinians with 75,000 injured and no hospitals left to care for them.

When I listen to Palestinian or Lebanese academics based in the West I see they are extremely careful in how they choose their words. Unfortunately because they don't want to lose their jobs they take the easy way out and bash Arabs instead of challenging support for Israel within the US, UK and Canada.

Same for Finklestein's Holocaust Industry book. People were beginning to question how much money the industry was sucking out of Germany. Without his "my parents are both Holocaust survivors" card, and the book on perpetual victimhood, Finklestein would be a failed academic. He is not a smart intellectual like Mearsheimer imho. I remember him on Mehdi Hassan slamming BDS but doing it in a very cheap way. The grin on his face, getting laughs from the audience is what he really thinks about Palestine.

Every serious critic of Israel if they get prominent enough has been pursued and destroyed by ADL or B'nai B'rith in Canada. Look at the case of David Miller. He was fired. He did win a victory at the Employment Tribunal but he lost his professor job. I think the only reason he won the victory is because of the current genocide.

Right now Mearsheimer and Finklestein are all over the place. I am glad they criticize Israel but there are some things you will never hear them say, the first being "Israel must implement UN 194 and allow the right of return to all Palestinian refugees." Both of them want the apartheid regime to continue.

As for Vargas' question:
Why is the genocide in Gsza invisible for rhe educated in the EU?
Is that an adoratipn of Israel or hate against the Arabs?

Both. The brainwashing of Europe on the Holocaust has been intense. The Arab and anyone outside the European/North American Garden is a lower level of being. Their suffering is irrelevant. Like a fly.
Violence against the inhabitants of the Jungle has been the modus operandi of the colonial and settler colonial powers for 500 years. The Gaza genocide is the culmination of everything that happened before. It's the last chance to save the last apartheid settler colonial project on the planet.

When the EU's Chief Gardener says the world outside Europe is a Jungle, he's not some out of touch old idiot. This is the view of the average European. The educated elite are not racist in the traditional sense, but they have an incredible ethnocentricity. They are too "polite" to say they are superior openly but they believe it and it spills out in every casual remark. Same for North Americans. It's the ideology: we are better. Israel is the "civilized European outpost" in the jungle.

The world has moved on. Younger people especially realize they're not going to have golden lives just because they're born in North America and Europe. (Unless they have rich parents). But the 45+ crowd is stuck in that colonial mentality. You can see it in offhand remarks on MoA all the time. They mourn a way of life which is never coming back.

Posted by: pq | Mar 24 2024 22:42 utc | 52

From Richard Seymour, one of the ablest political commentators now writing:

"Calculated to bring about the physical destruction of Palestinian children"
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As to the genocide in Gaza, one question has been troubling me: to what extent is it executed from the top, and to what extent does it follow from the initiative of rank-and-file Israeli soldiers radicalised by the politicians and given ample latitude by the brass?

The famine is a clear case of execution from the top. Former foreign secretary David Miliband, currently the CEO of the International Rescue Committee which is trying to deliver aid to Gaza, tells CNN’s Christiane Amanpour how “the fastest acceleration of a hunger crisis that has ever been seen” has been brought about by decisions and blockages imposed by Israel. For instance, one of the arguments used by Israeli officials is that certain items are “dual use”, meaning they could be turned to military purposes. What sorts of items? A pair of scissors for use in a hospital. “When a pair of scissors is found on a truck, the whole truck gets turned back.”

Unicef official James Elder describes the predictable consequence: “As soon as you drive through the north, you get that universal gesture of hunger of people putting their hands to their mouths.” You see “children, women with very gaunt faces”. You see “skeletal” children “on the brink of death, just skin and bones”. Yasser Khan, a surgeon from Toronto just returned from Gaza, describes “a mother walking in holding her 8, 9-year-old, skinny — because they’re all starving — boy who’s dead, he’s cold and dead and [the mother is] screaming, asking for someone to check his pulse and everybody’s busy in the mass chaos.” The UN Committee on the Rights of the Child, in words that will almost certainly appear in the ICJ’s deliberations, says that this deliberate blocking of aid appears “to be calculated to bring about the physical destruction of Palestinian children”. And not just physical destruction: slow, torturous physical destruction. Calculated sadism.

The biological consequences will be felt for generations. If you haven’t looked into it before, take a look at the epigenetic effects of the Dutch Hunger Winter at the end of the Second World War. Imagine a woman starving in the Netherlands, pregnant with her daughter. Her daughter, when she is born, will already be equipped with a lifetime supply of eggs. The egg that produces her grandchild will have spent time in the womb of the starving, pregnant woman. Her grandchild will therefore suffer some of the effects of starvation, with a higher risk of diabetes, obesity and schizophrenia. The epigenetic effects of war trauma similarly reverberate through the generations. I don’t quite know how to calculate the full implications of that for Gaza, where a fabric of trauma and privation connects the grandparents of today’s grandparents with the grandchildren of today’s grandchildren.

Western politicians, perhaps alarmed by the legal consequences of their complicity as the cruelty of the manufactured famine becomes impossible to ignore, are beginning to acknowledge the severity of what Israel is doing – without, of course, using inflammatory words like ‘genocide’ or ‘war crime’. Foreign secretary Lord Cameron has recently accused Israel of blocking aid to Gaza, and threatened to stop sending arms shipmentsif it continued. Shadow foreign secretary David Lammy refers, in his letter demanding Cameron publish legal advice on arms shipments to Israel, to a “man-made famine”.

This is hardly news. Israel announced its full siege by describing Gazans as “human animals”. As far back as October, Oxfam was warning of Israel’s use of “starvation as a weapon of war”. In December, IPC data warned that a quarter of Gazans were already in famine. Better late than never, is still too late. Most of this suffering was avoidable if Israel’s express intentions had been acknowledged in October and due action taken. Nonetheless, the open acknowledgment of this practice now has grave legal ramifications for Israel. Of the ICJ’s six preliminary orders to Israel, order 4 required it to “take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance”.

What, though, of the day-to-day, low-level operational decisions taken by Israeli commanders, snipers and drone pilots? To what extent are the military and political leadership knowingly enabling atrocities? Take, for example, what eyewitnesses allege is taking place at Al-Shifa hospital, which Israel previously claimed was a Hamas ‘command and control centre’, during the latest Israeli siege. According to the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor, testimony from released detainees and eyewitnesses suggests that Israeli soldiers have been engaging in extrajudicial executions. Reportedly, they lead detainees in groups of eight to ten at a time to the hospital morgue and shoot them. They are also reported to have destroyed the main surgical building, and used civilians as human shields during their operations. Most distressingly, an escaped eyewitness, Jamila al-Hissi, told Al Jazeera Arabic that Israeli soldiers had “raped women, kidnapped women, executed women”.

None of this would be out of character for the occupying army. Extrajudicial executions and the use of human shields is a long-established IDF practice. As for allegations of sexual assault, both the US State Departmentand experts from the UN Human Rights Council have said that there is detailed evidence of hundreds of Palestinian women detained after 7th October being sexually abused, raped, threatened with rape, or subjected to degrading strip searches. Nor would this be an unprecedented breach of norms. The IDF’s chief rabbi is someone who has claimed that the Torah permits rape during war: a soldier was allowed to “satisfy the evil urge … for the purpose of the success of the whole.” That is as much as I can say about the allegations for now: they are prima facie plausible, and consistent with the pattern of previous atrocities.

Given this, one wonders to what extent the IDF leadership is driving these actions, or is relaxed about them, or has lost a degree of control. On Tuesday, Ha’aretz published an enlightening story about the decomposition of the chain of command in the Israeli armed forces. Specifically, it reported that junior commanders and lower ranking soldiers had been openly disobeying the orders of their superiors. For example, in November, Brigadier General David Bar Kalifa, commander of the 36th Armored Division, issued a handwritten battle directive to his troops, calling on them to take revenge on the Palestinians. Brigadier General Barak Hiram, the commander who had ordered troops to open fire on Israeli civilians at the Be’er kibbutz on 7th October, had also ordered soldiers to blow up a university in Gaza without permission. Ha’aretz notes that the senior chain of command uttered not a word of criticism of any of this, still less of the pattern of soldiers inconveniently posting videos of their war crimes, or expressing genocidal intent, or condemning excessive “restraint”, or demanding the full Israeli resettlement of Gaza.

When pressed about soldiers’ conduct by international media, Israeli sources say that the behaviour “does not align” with “the expected morals and values of IDF soldiers”, or “does not comply” with the IDF’s orders. But if anyone has been sanctioned over such behaviour, it hasn’t been published. To the best of my knowledge, the first express instruction to Israeli soldiers to stop committing war crimes so brazenly occurred in late February. Over four months into the war, and expressly to avoid “strategic damage” in the international arena following the ICJ ruling, the Israeli military’s advocate-general warned troops that they might be prosecuted for “improper conduct” such as “unjustified use of force”, “looting” and “destruction of civilian property”. Now, these actions have been openly publicised by soldiers in videos and photographs posted to social industry platforms since October. The anthropologist Sophia Goodfriend points out that they are continuous with an established pattern since 1948 of Israeli soldiers taking photographs as trophies and as evidence of triumph. Given the recent spate of “flour massacres” in which Israeli tanks, snipers and jets have killed Gazans queueing for humanitarian aid, and the continued flow of vile social media posts it is difficult to say what effect, if any, the warning had – or was intended to have.

According to the Ha’aretz analysis, military discipline on the ground is weakened by the large number of volunteer reservists called into action, the high proportion of rightists among them who believe they are saving Israel from past failures under ‘leftist’ governments and a weak military leadership, and the open intervention of right-wing politicians in support of “soldiers and officers’ unusual behaviour”. There are some problems with this assessment. The behaviour described is “unusual” only in extent rather than type. And it is obviously continuous with, and conditioned by, the genocidal rhetoric and goals of the government. You can’t starve a population to death and then say it’s going too far to steal or destroy their property. However, with those provisos the analysis is convincing, and is consistent with what we know of changes going on in the Israeli army. The higher-ranking officers and reservists have been among the Netanyahu government’s most powerful critics, but the rank-and-file are representative of a population that has been moving consistently to the right since 2009. What’s more, at the base of the Israeli army, which until 7th October was mainly occupied with defending settlements in the West Bank, there has been a growing fusion with settler society, and particularly with settler militias. The IDF intends to take this further by recruiting settlers on a fast-track to defend ultra-orthodox settlements in the West Bank. Meanwhile, at the top of the chain of command, the far-right has a significant outpost in that Belazel Smotrich has a post in the ministry of defence, which he has been using to attack the existing IDF leadership.

Suppose Ha’aretz is right, then, in saying that there is a rebellion in the base, encouraged and defended by politicians like Smotrich, enabled by a top brass that is unwilling to chasten them as long as it needs them to be its perpetrators. This would be a classic instance of the ‘dialectic of mutual radicalisation’ that I have been talking about in relation to disaster nationalism. This is a relationship that arises specifically in moments of crisis, where the usual chain of command is weakened, and where there is an opportunity for war on the nation’s enemies, be it paramilitary violence, pogroms or a full-scale military offensive. At such moments, normal legality loses some of its force, and the authorities can be relied upon to be either weak or complicit. And there forms a symbiosis of incitement and escalation between a leadership usually constrained by the trappings of officialdom, and a base usually constrained by the risk of punishment. Such a dynamic playing out in Gaza would not only serve to catalyse and aggravate the genocidal character of the war – it would also prepare the perpetrators for more resolute and aggressive action against the ‘failed’, ‘traitorous’, ‘leftist’ establishment in the future.

Posted by: JAB | Mar 24 2024 22:43 utc | 53

Echo Chamber 50

So many thanks for raising these points.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 24 2024 22:44 utc | 54

BRICS supporters and MAGA supporters are very clearly in complete denial at this point in history.

One thinks Trump is their saviour the other thinks BRICS will save the world. The FACTS on the ground support neither delusion. They seem to forget which class of people, leaders represent.

I've always said what we are watching every day on every form of media is a right wing fuckfest. A battle for the soul of the conservatives. Whoever wins will decide Conservatism in the future. It is so, so ,so obvious.

The Upper ruling class View the so called left wing parties as a Containment Vessel for Popular Discontent.

When so called left wing parties fail to attract popular discontent and they in agitating outside governing roles or acting in governing roles generate more popular discontent, other political actors, including center-right and far right political actors and movements, can capture popular discontent for their own purposes. Call themselves populists.

Voters are stupid ideologues. When the IMF and Argentinian central bank created a crises to achieve regime change in Argentina. The far right for their man in in power the Conservatives the world over cheered. Without even noticing it was straight out of the George Soros playbook.

BRICS is the same it will be used as a Containment Vessel for Popular Discontent. The FACTS on the ground so far, prove it beyond any reasonable doubt.


Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 24 2024 22:48 utc | 55

JAB 53

The only " failure " I can see is Israel's failure to conceal its criminal Apartheid which the leftists had kept conealed for so long

Now that USUKIS is naked, all roads lead to their destruction, much much quicker than we once thought .

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 24 2024 22:53 utc | 56

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 24 2024 22:44 utc | 54

You are very welcome Giyane.

Over the last 3 days I have given at least a dozen facts why BRICS should be treated with extreme caution at this point in history.

This bullshit fetish regarding de-dollarisation and BRICS is going to save the world is getting out of control. So many are in denial about it.

ALL the facts show BRICS is talking left but walking right. The Truth is ALL that matters to me.

If you are right wing you are going to adore BRICS. Even the way they are going to design their money. It will be based on a money scarcity model.

So not everyone is going to be disappointed.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 24 2024 23:03 utc | 57

Echo Chamber | Mar 24 2024 22:48 utc | 55

So you believe that people are stupid and that popular action useless. In other words either we should let the ruling class do as it wants or wait for Echo Chamber to assume command and instruct us on what to do.
Your attack on BRICS, which is nothing other than a putative alternative bloc to the US Empire, fits in very well with the imperialist view without. Those who benefit from this exploitative society welcome views like yours counselling despair.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 24 2024 23:13 utc | 58

I'd say that BRICS has already saved the world- for the moment. The creation of BRICS is one of the elements that keeps US sanctions from being effective against Russia. It provides a sanction-proof platform for creating an independent medium of international debt settlement. So far, so good.

It is not a panacea, however.

I'm curious as to how you would design a currency model to sidestep the US-dominated one we now have? By having all the member states freely print the new currency to pay for what they want? As I understand it, the currency is to be pegged to the international trade price of a group of commodities. Since these are not 'unlimited' in practical terms, this is bound to create a currency that is limited by the value of the commodities. What is the problem with this kind of 'scarcity' of money?

Posted by: Honzo | Mar 24 2024 23:20 utc | 59

What has BRICS done besides be a discussion club?

Posted by: Afro | Mar 24 2024 23:40 utc | 60

JAB 53 - Many thanks for posting this fine article.

This conduct or misconduct i.e.: war crimes by the IDF is really nothing new, anyone who has read about the exploits of the 7th and 8th Armored Regiments in the 1948 war knows full well that this war rage is ingrained in the IDF psyche to a very large extent. These regiments apparently murdered hundreds of unarmed Palestinian villagers in Judea and Samaria and the Galilee Valley during that war.

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Mar 25 2024 0:01 utc | 61

And brave of you to ridicule someone who’s right while you advocate that everyone should sit on their asses and let non-existant fairy-tale beings do it, which they by definition will not. I’m not in charge of any country. If I went to Israel alone, and tried to stop them alone, they'd just kill me and it wouldn’t save anyone’s life, thus I have no duty to do so.

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 24 2024 22:20 utc | 49

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To a believer, engaging in prayer is not to "sit on their ass". The Palestinians (which you supposedly care so much about) are big on prayer and "non-existant fairy-tale beings".

What is the point of supporting the Palestinians if you hold their fundamental cultural beliefs in such contempt?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 0:14 utc | 62

A very large demonstration in Amman. The Jordanian government, which has been collaborating with Israel since 1948 (the Arab Legion never entered "Israeli" territory in that year's 'war') is finding it increasingly difficult to keep the lid on its angry population.
The situation in Egypt is almost as dire.
The prospects of a regional war are growing. In such a war the continued existence of the Empire- which has so cavalierly allowed Israel free rein- would be at stake.
It is not insignificant that, in the UN this week, the Russians took a very strong line against both Israel and the US- a sign that the Kremlin judges the Zinists to be holding a losing hand.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-jordanian-police-clash-protesters-near-israel-embassy

“MAN-MADE HELL ON EARTH”: A CANADIAN DOCTOR ON HIS MEDICAL MISSION TO GAZA
“I saw scenes that were horrific and I never want to see again,” said Yasser Khan, a surgeon from Toronto.
https://theintercept.com/2024/03/23/intercepted-doctor-gaza-interview/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter

Posted by: bevin | Mar 25 2024 0:24 utc | 63

Incorrectly posted on Ukraine thread ...

Jared Kushner served as a senior advisor to Trump from 2017 to 2021

Here h eairs his thoughts on Gaza and its future.

Vanessa Beeley - TG Channel

https://t.me/VanessaBeeley/26122

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 25 2024 0:27 utc | 160

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 25 2024 0:30 utc | 64

:) Soon kite flying weather will come and we shall have white kites of angelic love flying all over, encouraging a better world! :)

Posted by: titmouse | Mar 25 2024 0:30 utc | 65

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 0:14 utc | 62

What is the point of supporting the Palestinians if you hold their fundamental cultural beliefs in such contempt?

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Is disagreement automatically contempt?

And does one actually have to go to Gaza to do something (however minimal) to counter Israel besides praying? Not disparaging prayer.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/25/union-leader-among-arrests-at-pro-palestine-port-botany-protest-in-sydney

Posted by: dumbo | Mar 25 2024 0:36 utc | 66

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 0:14 utc | 62

What is the point of supporting the Palestinians if you hold their fundamental cultural beliefs in such contempt?

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Because it’s their land?

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 25 2024 0:53 utc | 67

“What is the point of supporting the Palestinians if you hold their fundamental cultural beliefs in such contempt?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 0:14 utc | 62”

As should be obvious without any need to say it, but is apparently an incomprehensible concept to some people, I care about them (without any made-up fairy tales telling me to) because they’re human beings who deserve a chance to live the one and only life anyone ever gets, without being murdered by assholes who think their made-up crap justifies committing murder. Their country was invaded and conquered by thieves and murderers, and they have the right to self-defense, decent people throughout the world who have the ability to make a difference have a duty to do so, and that’s an absolute fact regardless of any disagreements I might have with their (ludicrous) beliefs. Thought someone had to believe in lies and frauds to be moral? Surprise!

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 25 2024 1:17 utc | 68

What is the point of supporting the Palestinians if you hold their fundamental cultural beliefs in such contempt?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2024 0:14 utc | 62

All that’s required is a sense of fair play and a conscience.

The Pals had their land stolen by gangsters using murder, pillage, war, rape etc. I support the Pals getting their own land back, Israel being dissolved and the guilty being punished.

That doesn’t mean I care one whit in general about them, their culture or their religion. I certainly don’t want them here and think the world would be better off without any of the desert religions.

It’s possible to support what’s fair without having an affection for the wronged or their habits.

Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 25 2024 1:32 utc | 69

Palestinians brought this on themselves with 10-7.

Pull the lions tail and get eaten…

Posted by: Javier | Mar 24 2024 18:09 utc | 15

Remember that when the next Jewish Holocaust rolls around, as it will.

Consider the "Lion's tail" pulled.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 25 2024 1:51 utc | 70

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 25 2024 0:53 utc | 67

Posted by: Archetypex | Mar 25 2024 1:32 utc | 70

Thankfully there aren't upvote features on b's wonderful website, but I would "big up" both of your additions to this discussion.

What a sad situation.

Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 25 2024 1:59 utc | 71

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 25 2024 1:17 utc | 69

I didn't see your post, and I completely agree.

Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 25 2024 2:02 utc | 72

lex talionis, thanks, I had assumed you left me off your list due to my complete lack of charisma and diplomacy (which I gave up on years ago).

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 25 2024 2:13 utc | 73

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 25 2024 2:13 utc | 74
No, my brother,
I, too, feel like an untouchable. Thank God (and b) for MoA.
We have a "safe space" to figure out this mess.
Much love to the MoA community.

Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 25 2024 2:19 utc | 74

I ripped a hellacious stinker just now…goddamn it smells heavenly…

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 25 2024 2:24 utc | 75

52 Pq March 25,118 March 23. Norm Finkelstein is out of work because of his position on Palestine and is indeed "a failed intellectual" if his 'career' constitutes him to be so. As far as not being "a smart intellectual," I disagree. He continues to win debates not against people like MOA who generally condemn Israel, but rather people in the media who support Israel and are popular in the media. He is actually putting a dent in public opinion by dessimating established lib. pundits. A thankless job I'd say, but somebody has to do it. He references his family history of having experienced the Holocaust and also his own personal experience as a Palestine supporter, a position which has been a major determinant of the direction of his life. He is real. He cuts thru all the talk. He shows the absurdity and depth of the falsities of the liberal deception that Israel is good underneath it all. He wipes away all the 'democracy'crap. Whenever I listen to him I am encouraged that the truth can win. I believe others are also.

Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 25 2024 2:28 utc | 76

https://theintercept.com/2024/03/23/intercepted-doctor-gaza-interview/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter

Posted by: bevin | Mar 25 2024 0:24 utc | 63”

This article repeats something from an earlier article that b linked in one of his main posts, it seems to me to be about a week to 10 days ago. As I’ve made clear previously in this thread, I’m solidly on the Palestinian side. But I’m very skeptical of this part:

“On one occasion, a handful of children, all about ages 5 to 8, were carried to the emergency room by their parents. All had single sniper shots to the head. These families were returning to their homes in Khan Yunis, about 2.5 miles away from the hospital, after Israeli tanks had withdrawn. But the snipers apparently stayed behind. None of these children survived.”

This particular anecdote strikes me as being extremely unlikely for numerous reasons (not a single one being Israeli murderers being unlikely to have deliberately murdered Palestinian children - that part was quite believable). I can’t find it back, the search feature of this blog being unreliable, but I asked numerous questions about this, and got no answers from anyone. Some that I remember asking were: how many adults had single sniper shots to the head? How many children died and weren’t brought to the hospital? How many children died after sniper shots to the head while they were being carried 2.5 miles (over an hour??). Of the ones that somehow got to the hospital alive to be seen by the doctor, despite that type of injury: What were their names, where and when were they buried (since none survived)? Witnesses? Caliber of bullets removed? From the same rifle, or multiple snipers? It just seems to me this part of that article would be trivial to make up in order to fan the flames of outrage, and I’m not going to believe it without some damned good evidence backing up the claim. There’s plenty of outrage based on well-supported events, so if this was made up, it was entirely unnecessary.

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 25 2024 2:57 utc | 77

There's a massive problem with religiosity plain to see in Likud Nazi revisionist Zionism and Islamuc State, which is the manipulation of good and evil , by brainwashing, populism, nationalism etc .

Thanks also Echo Chamber 57 for clarifying that the same defects of manipulation of what is good and evil by Chinese non religiosity in BRICS.
Yours is a compelling argument about how political conservatism plays the Left. Never more obviously than in Israeli politics which we are told on MoA has moved from sponsorship by Soviet Russia to Full Nazism in 80 years.

The other obsolete weapon of manipulation, which we Westerners know only too well is Hollywood, the manipulation of good and evil by fictional narratives where Clint Eastwood gets the sexy music and the straight shoot, while real soldiers only get bullet scissors that cut everything in their path.

The Qur'an explains that angels assist the pure believers in God when they trust in God. So Clint Eastwood is a smoke and mirrors portrayal of a phenomenon of good and evil that does actually exist. But us suckers believe in Hollywood's Clint Eastwood, and Sigourney Weaver against aliens and clones, not in the Help of God.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 25 2024 3:17 utc | 78

PQ 118 March 23. You have reason to be angered by academics and you express the price to know the truth in the dominant climate of (non)thought in the US and minions but Palestine supporters and armchair watchers will look at differences between the PLO and Hamas. This won't always "hurt the resistance". NLR Sidecar article on the book by South African academic Haidar Eid discussed by Bevin (115 March 23) does lead to a question of why this book came out when it did to criticize while Hamas fights for the existence of Palestine. But the writer of the article (not of the book itself) clarified something that imo is important, which is that four of the groups supporting Hamas, including PFLP, are opposed to the unilateral appointment by the PLO of Muhammad Mustafa as Prime Minister to lead a 'unifying' Palestinian authority. I have read that the fighting militias know what each other is doing and coordinate; furthermore Hamas government was voted in by the majority of Gazans. Why are Russia and the US and others fixated on "the need to bring together" the Palestinians apparently under the leadership they approve?

Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 25 2024 3:20 utc | 79

Middle of night - fool moon pulling me awake - read link from open thread by Peter Oborne, when will he get infront of Piers Morons ‘do you condemn Hamas show’.

‘“Meanwhile, the British mainstream media has laid itself open to the charge that it has been complicit in the dehumanisation of Palestinians, which in turn has opened the way to what looks more every day like a genocide in Gaza. “

War on Gaza: Al Jazeera tells the 7 October story that British media will not

Peter Oborne
Published date: 22 March 2024 09:59 GMT ‘

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/war-gaza-al-jazeera-tells-7-october-story-british-media-will-not

Not that I hold out a candle of hope from any of our Western trained sheepdogs but Borne has been giving good takes on issues over the past years.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 25 2024 3:34 utc | 80

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Thanks also to LoveDonbass 10 for:

" The survival of the Palestinians, and all life, has always rested in the hands of God. The youngest child in Gaza knows and is willing to die for this belief."

Really it is unbelievable that the Jews who are supposed to be the masters of narrative manipulation in Hollywood, presumably because of their long , historical persecutions, could now be replicating those persecutions at warp speed and intensity on an entirely innocent population that has never done any wrong to them except for owning a plot of land .

So really this is direct war against God for removing them from that land in 600 BC , allowing them back to participate in Trade between East and West and get rich enough to rebuild the Temple, but not spiritually healthy enough not to Idol-worhip 'Eesa / Jesus AS instead of worshipping God alone.

How did the Chosen ones become narrative experts who worshipped a Clint Eastwood narrative version of Jesus AS, instead of God?????

I presume because their trade with non-believers had erased their faith in God. God didn't choose Jews to hold power in London and Washington.
He chose them to teach what these Muslim children in Palestine all know from Islam, That God is in charge of every single thing.

So let's us get off the fake Hollywood narratives and get onto what these little Muslims believe.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 25 2024 3:55 utc | 81

@ Lavieja | Mar 25 2024 2:28 utc | 77
I agree with you that Finkelstein is one of the few Jews, who care about their Jewish tradition. The point of pq that Finkelstein never talks about the right of return is not germane to the discussion - it follows from the logic of the facts that he agrees that Israel and its supporters are criminals and do not deserve a country.

I have a question peripherally related - how to educate Germans in German language, because they are so paralyzed in their thinking about Palestine, so ridiculously parroting the Zionists talking points that one could vomit. They are sometime telling me that "I am not that proficient in English to understand your informations" - This point was raised - about the German intellectuals and educated classes fully on the side of Israel - by Ilan Pappe in one of his recent interviews.

What internet 'samizdat' in German language is good to recommend? that is my question to the barflies...

Posted by: fanto | Mar 25 2024 4:10 utc | 82

Israel is a white supremacy racist state fillet with the Nazi village scum of Europe and their little runt traitor rape den pervert filth infest america and Europe.

Apartheid Israel vile disgusting satanic evil pack of bigoted mental Nazi Moses deluded racist filth of the imperialist white scum that are used to colonise and thieve, as they have done across the globe for centuries.

Palestine is where the European Nazi pervert filth will burn and their mental dirty filthy imported scum are butchered - the genocide filth of the Zionist American pigs will rot in war and death in Palestine and their crooked deviant Zionist shit will be hunted across NATO.

Humiliate the NATO loser slags and help Russia flush the stink of Zionist Biden and his child raping Zionist filth from Europe. No tolerance of American war criminal genocide filth or their corporate scum - bother the shit of humanity out the region.

ByeByeUSA get the dirty Nazi funding human shit that is America and it’s Zionist vassal deviant dwarf runt piss buried with the Nazis. Bankrupt the American scum and rip their grubby racist bigoted Nazi village shit to pieces.

Posted by: Timbo | Mar 25 2024 5:27 utc | 83

Ryan Heuser / @heuser.bsky
@quadrismegistus
The US State Department is accusing Israel of systematically raping Palestinian women in Al-Shifa Hospital. There are no words for this horror of horrors

REPORT

Posted by: Menz | Mar 25 2024 5:40 utc | 84

In a new op-ed under the title 'The dramatic demise of the Zionist project Israel', I argue that a claim to a 'right to exist' is not provided for in international law. Today, the Zionist project Israel is facing the abyss. A binational state, free of Zionism, is a best-case scenario, a state in which all citizens have equal fundamental rights and 'Jews and Palestinians join forces and, with combined efforts, develop the country into a beacon of prosperity and democracy in the Middle East.' To this end, the country should draw up a constitution in which these rights are enshrined.

For a translation of the text in Dutch, just hit the 'Google translate' tool in the top-right corner.

The link is:

https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2024/03/25/de-dramatische-ondergang-van-het-zionistische-project-israel/

Posted by: Paul-Robert | Mar 25 2024 6:48 utc | 85

87 full utopia. I'm within earlier poster that Gaza will be cleansed no matter usa and EU will take them and offers some huge financial package to make it palatable, job done. What's a few more million illegals in either Europe or usa. As sad and defeatist as that is I don't see some magical international court redirecting things. Usa hasn't collapsed enough yet for an alt reality to occur.

Posted by: Hankster | Mar 25 2024 7:09 utc | 86

@ Hankster: It pays to read an op-ed throroughly, and check all embedded links and footnotes, in particular https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-SQuxleYtI before posting a comment

Posted by: Paul-Robert | Mar 25 2024 7:47 utc | 87

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 24 2024 20:21 utc | 30

What are you talking about, acting as if people are just free to convert into Judaism.

This is now common knowledge, everyone knows, jews act as if they are any other religion and you can join just like Christian and Muslim, but its not true.

Quit writing and commenting so much, please.l

Posted by: ryanggg | Mar 25 2024 8:10 utc | 88

Why are Russia and the US and others fixated on "the need to bring together" the Palestinians apparently under the leadership they approve?

Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 25 2024 3:20 utc | 81

Thank you for this comment. I agree with all you write. I too was concerned about the US / Russian fixation with "unity" at a time when Marwan Barghouti is being tortured in prison, there are 700 checkpoints and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank and of course a genocide in Gaza. Who can possibly think about unity. Maybe I am too harsh on the intellectuals but because they claim to be intellectuals I expect more than from a random youtube or MoA commenter but they rarely offer anything constructive. I understand that they operate under very strict "anti-semitic" circumstances.

On Finklestein I can agree to disagree but I strongly disagree with the commenter who said right of return is "unimportant".

Right of return is the key to solving this in a just want once and for all. The way to know the controlled opposition from the geniune pro-law and anti-apartheid people is to ask their position on right of return. As far as I remember, Ilan Pappe believes in the right of return. Very few of the Jewish "intellectuals" making the rounds on "independent media" talk about the right of return. Why? It spells the end of the apartheid Zionist regime.

Anyway if someone does hear Mearsheimer, Finlestein or Sachs advocating for right of return please link and I will listen and if they do a proper job I will change my opinion of them from negative to positive.

Posted by: pq | Mar 25 2024 8:16 utc | 89

Posted by: pq | Mar 25 2024 8:16 utc | 91

pq, don’t know about the others but I’m pretty sure Finklestein has acknowledged unequivocally that the Palestinians have the right of return. He gets to it in the clip linked below, albeit in a roundabout way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4OXP6Jy49I

Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 25 2024 8:43 utc | 90

by: Paul-Robert | Mar 25 2024 7:47 utc | 89
I didn't read your article , I'm only commenting on the whole 2 state one state zero state. The idea has been thrashed to death for 75 years so I doubt there's much else to say. Without defeating Israel militarily, there's no Palestine state or Gaza existence. That's my take. The next would be how's the global community to eradicate Zionists like epsteins from every government or lobby group of any importance. The rest is just fairytales as much as I want to believe the realist in me knows defeat usa defeat Israel on a battlefield first them dream of a world less unjust

Posted by: Hankster | Mar 25 2024 9:31 utc | 91

Lebanese TV reports:

11:37 Israeli occupation army says troops “deployed and prepared” following reports on infiltration from Gaza into bordering Israeli settlements

Comment : The Likud believed the 800 meter killing zone created inside Gaza was enough to prevent Al-Qassem raids. Apparently not.

As the U.S. Army painfully learned in Vietnam, the only way to eliminate enemy army units using a underground fortress is to go into the tunnels Mano-a-mano. The IDF has hardly effected the underground fortress despite 6 months of effort.

Posted by: Exile | Mar 25 2024 9:51 utc | 92

"Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2024 19:35 utc | 27”

And brave of you to ridicule someone who’s right while you advocate that everyone should sit on their asses and let non-existant fairy-tale beings do it, which they by definition will not. I’m not in charge of any country. If I went to Israel alone, and tried to stop them alone, they'd just kill me and it wouldn’t save anyone’s life, thus I have no duty to do so. Guess I shouldn’t say anything to criticize hypocrites who tell everyone there’s nothing they can do, everyone should sit and do nothing and let the Palestinians die while their made-up crap deities do nothing either. If your statements are enough to stop people from pushing for real action that would save lives, then you are an accomplice in mass murder. At least I’m doing what I can do to help."

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 24 2024 22:20 utc | 49

Dalit: LoveDonbass is correct you are hypocritical unless you, yourself go to the front lines to fight.

To accuse LoveDonbass of being "an accomplice in mass murder" is silly and defaming - all it does is clearly illustrate your intellectual impotence.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 25 2024 9:54 utc | 93

Anyway if someone does hear Mearsheimer, Finlestein or Sachs advocating for right of return please link and I will listen and if they do a proper job I will change my opinion of them from negative to positive.

Posted by: pq | Mar 25 2024 8:16 utc | 91

You have the typical absolutism of the ideologue. If Mearsheimer said something in a way you disapprove of nearly twenty years ago in 2007, he has to be condemned for ever. Changing your mind is not allowed. But much of the point I was making in comment 6 was that it is obvious that Mearsheimer has changed his thinking over time. When I first heard Mearsheimer, his US nationalism wasn't very agreeable, but he has softened, probably with the developing horror of the situation in Gaza. And the same is true of Sachs. Anybody capable of independent thought would do likewise.

Posted by: laguerre | Mar 25 2024 10:38 utc | 94

"Climate finance ought to be climate reparations in the form of debt cancellation, cash transfers, and transfer of life-saving technology for transformative investments in food sovereignty and agroecology, renewable energy, clean cooking, and clean transportation infrastructure manufactured and deployed in Africa."

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 24 2024 22:20 utc | 50

There is no such thing as "man made climate change'.

The Earth is in a continual climate cycle. Every 100,000 years or so the world goes into an ice age. So when it goes into an ice age it gets gradually colder; then the Earth comes out of an ice age the Earth gets steadily warmer currently the earth is in a warming stage with more C02 which provides make more plants to grow and more food.

In the last ice age there were only 20 pairs of breeding humans left (as it got warmer, voila 8 billion more people); as an existential crisis we should be much more worried about an ice age then when it gets warmer.

Unfortunately even well read people like yourself get fooled by the Powers That Be that know the earth is warming up and they use that to scare you into lessening your lifestyle, curtailing population growth and letting the PTB strip whatever assets the Serfs still have left in new Green tech that they control.

Please wake up.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 25 2024 10:39 utc | 95

…… (video) Testimonies from survivors of the Israeli siege of Al-Shifa Hospital and the surrounding area describe field executions, house burnings, civilians being run over by tank treads, and army dogs attacking both the living and the dead……

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1772181437837406553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1772181437837406553%7Ctwgr%5E125f5f1eec80955f64f707ab4aca820d763a40f0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fenglish.almanar.com.lb%2F2071324

Posted by: Exile | Mar 25 2024 10:46 utc | 96

Canuk! Are you in your cups again? It’s mid morning here.
I’ve been catching up on the threads , I’m ready to clip some ears and pat some shoulders.
So perhaps take a breather and take cover while I smite.

Sheepdogs are out and their owners have no reverse gear, so they have turned the ratchet again having had a sock puppets fest over the weekend of murder, the PR gurus have sent out the scripts.

I will be plain and look directly into their eyes if they are ‘brave enough’ - LD is a godbothering arse, another wormtongue of a few regulars here, and I will support Dalit.
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@ Posted by: Dalit | Mar 24 2024 22:20 utc | 49

Well spoke Dalit ! Your voice is growing and clearer daily here, hope you stay.

God botherers, Marxists and Neoliberal/Con merchants are all joined at the hip - they are the pulpit bashers that keep the masses down with their invented religions , anti-heroic satanism, imaginary hell and heaven in an afterlife (including the latest , newest, godliest religions of Climate/GND/Carbon/Trans, AI … joining their now rancid religion of economics the fake God/Satan reinvention as capitalism/anti-capitalism.

‘Don’t worry about this life’ - say those scambags.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 25 2024 11:03 utc | 97

"I didn't read your article , I'm only commenting on the whole 2 state one state zero state. The idea has been thrashed to death for 75 years"

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E x a c t l y

The Zionist regime founded (1917-) by Ukrainian, Polish, Lithuanian and Belarusian emigrants does not want in the land of Canaan 2 States, and every time the old 2-State solution has been voted at the UN they have voted No together with the Zionists in Washington.

And, on the other hand, the Zionist regime does not want to be 1 State because that would mean to pass from Barbarism to Civilization: to recognize as Citizenship the population of the dominated territory and not to have people in gethos without civil rights and under military domination and with autonomous administration as in the Warsaw getho.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 25 2024 11:14 utc | 98

@ Posted by: canuck | Mar 24 2024 21:49 utc | 48
I meant to reply to you too Canuk in my previous but got distracted …

That little apartheid illegal settler frogs are boiled there is no way back from their genocidal psychopathic actions. Yup they’ve managed to cover themselves in shit almost as if they planned it…

The smartest ones will already be divesting to their ‘fellow’ citizens and moving all their goods and chattels to their new ‘homes’ to America and Argentina….leaving the minion suckers holding worthless paper titles as they have to pack up and go carrying whatever they can onto the planes.

or cruise ships to wander the seas looking for a land that will accept them.
These nice new peers their Yankee doodles will be their last steps on the illegal apartheid entity they were encouraged to imperially invade and ‘settle’ as if there was no one there before!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 25 2024 11:16 utc | 99

@ Posted by: pq | Mar 24 2024 22:42 utc | 52

One of the most incisive comments I have ever read. Thanks.
It’s the epitome of the reason why the two dimensional Left/Right was invented - to control with sheepdogs which work both ends to steer us into our cages or worse to turn us into fascists, mass murderers - whilst letting us feel that is ‘normal’ because everyone else is doing it too! Moronic sheep.

Posted by: [email protected] | Mar 25 2024 11:37 utc | 100

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