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March 20, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-086

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine.

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In the U.S. South, we see good old boys flying the Israeli and Confederate flags side by side on their trucks, making a clear connection between white supremacy and Zionism. …”
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/03/there-is-nothing-we-can-do-about-israel-other-than-everything/
Posted by: bevin | Mar 21 2024 17:20 utc | 86
I have to disagree with Stephanie Guilloud’s statement. I’ve spent the last two months driving through the southern states of the USA and haven’t seen even one instance of public support for Israel. Not a single Israeli flag or supportive sign. I’ve been in Arizona, New Mexico, all through Texas, Louisiana, and now Alabama and it’s been a complete wipeout for Israel.
On the other hand, I have seen public support for Palestine. In El Paso there were several examples of Palestine flag graffiti. Same in San Antonio and Houston. In New Orleans there were several large, prominent pro Palestine murals. We are off to Florida today so we will see how it is there.

Posted by: Chas | Mar 22 2024 13:43 utc | 101

As I expected:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-gaza-ceasefire-resolution-vetoed-by-china-russia-at-un-security-council/ar-BB1klT6C
“U.S. Gaza ceasefire resolution vetoed by China, Russia at UN Security Council”
“What’s next: The Security Council is expected to vote on an alternative resolution put forward by eight member states, calling for an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan to lead to a permanent ceasefire.
That text also demands the release of all hostages without linking it to the ceasefire.
The U.S. is expected to veto.”
The article lies claiming US was calling for immediate ceasefire. There was no such call. Only an “imperative”.
Cover not granted to US.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 22 2024 14:04 utc | 102

Russia made life for Joe “Genocide” Biden more difficult. Biden’s re-election became much more difficult. Russia used its veto to block a resolution to demand an inmediate cease-fire in Gaza.

Posted by: WMG | Mar 22 2024 14:07 utc | 103

Russia made life for Joe “Genocide” Biden more difficult. Biden’s re-election became much more difficult. Russia used its veto to block a resolution to demand an inmediate cease-fire in Gaza.
Posted by: WMG | Mar 22 2024 14:07 utc | 109

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/22/un-security-council-does-not-pass-us-resolution-calling-for-gaza-ceasefire

Posted by: WMG | Mar 22 2024 14:14 utc | 104

” Israel announces largest West Bank land seizure in decades as Blinken arrives in Tel Aviv for Gaza war talks ”
https://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/58/1262/519794/War-on-Gaza/War-on-Gaza/%F0%9F%94%B4-LIVE-UPDATES-Israel-announces-largest-West-Bank.aspx
and this:
The vote on the US resolution garnered 11 votes for, three votes against, and one abstention.
The Russian representative at the UN described the US resolution which does not call for an immediate and permanent ceasefire in the Israeli war on Gaza as a ploy to give Israel a free hand in its war on the Palestinian people.
The Chinese representative at the UN said the US draft resolution evades the most essential concern and need for an immediate and permanent cessation of hostilities and allows Israel to continue killing Palestinians.
He thanked Egypt and Qatar for ongoing efforts to reach a truce and prisoner swap deal between Israel and Hamas.
Algeria, a non-permanent member of the UNSC, voted with Russia and China against the resolution.
The representative of Algeria at the United Nations said the US resolution did not address the core concerns of Arab countries in “the urgency of an immediate ceasefire to prevent the loss of more lives and the immediate cessation of hostilities.”
“Regrettably, the draft resolution falls short of our expectations and does not convey a clear message of peace,” he said.
my comment: With regard to the UNSC vote, the Global South will accept nothing else than the applications of UN resolutions, i.e. immediate break of diplomatic relations and trade with Israel, declaration of a Palestinian state, peace corps on the ground, international conference and Nuremberg-like trials.

Posted by: Minaa | Mar 22 2024 14:15 utc | 105

The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Same would appear for bankers and banks.
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 22 2024 9:29 utc | 101
Yes. Banking system is key to control right (not for much longer) with the Western monopoly money loan shark op run by WB, IMF and SWIFT stranging the Global South economy. Not to mention CFA france etc. The ECB is the biggest scam in the business. You can’t even know from their site what corporate friends have received the taxpayer money they gift to friends and family. Not to mention tax havens.
At least a third of the world population already lives under sanctions if I remember correctly.
TIL: the US instead of doing something constructive is working hard to figure out how to stop a pipeline between Iran and Pakistan. The West is a parody of itself now. Cheering on genocide while preaching about human rights and democracy.
Galloway pointed out (to an empty Parliament) that the UK has an unelected head of state, PM and foreign secretary. The US has a demented pedo. Scholz, Trudeau, Meloni et al are like a clown parade. We have the EU represented by an unelected plagiarist von der Liar and a Chief Gardener who can rarely get his foot out of his mouth.
Posted by: Minaa | Mar 22 2024 14:15 utc | 111 I hope your personal take is correct.
Guyana also voted abstained surprisingly.
The siege at Al Shifa is on the 5th day now. Nurses and doctors have been taken somewhere (the ones who were not taken to the morgue and executed. Patients were festering wounds are left without care or supplies. This is at least the second siege. The world just closed its eyes the first time so now Israel does it again after they put some parts of the hospital back in operation.
I am sick to my stomach. It’s like living in a horror movie and that’s from a long way away. I can’t even begine to imagine the trauma of people in Gaza. We’re at over 40,000 dead if you count under the rubble and what is the prognosis for 75,000 injured without hospitals?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/03/21/ozkx-m21.html
Israel allegedly carried out mass summary executions at Gaza’s Al-Shifa Hospital
Robert Inlakesh suggests escalation is the only way to ceasefire.
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/escalation-of-resistance-is-the-only-road-to-a-ceasefire-in
Spoiler alert:
“Without a dramatic change to the status-quo, the situation inside the besieged Gaza Strip will only continue to get worse during Ramadan and after it, which is why there must be an escalation that comes in one way or another, in order to alter the current dynamics. In the absence of new developments on the ground, this will be a very tragic and painful Ramadan, topped off with an Eid that will be stripped of its usual happiness. This is a genocide and those who are committing the crime of all crimes aren’t going to stop on their own.”

Posted by: pq | Mar 22 2024 14:56 utc | 106

The full text of the vetoed resolution will be available in a few days on the UN site. In the meantime here’s an insight into the negotiations behind the vetoed one and a para on the upcoming one.
https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/whatsinblue/2024/03/the-middle-east-including-the-palestinian-question-vote-on-a-draft-resolution-4.php
Elected Members’ Draft
This afternoon, the Security Council might also vote on a draft resolution put forward by some of the ten elected members of the Council (E10). It seems that, although the draft was initially negotiated as an E10 initiative, it is currently being put forward by only some of the E10 due to diverging positions among these members on some elements of the text. The draft resolution was put in blue last night (21 March), but a vote has yet to be scheduled at the time of writing.
In its current version, the draft text demands an immediate ceasefire for the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which started on 10 March, leading to a permanent sustainable ceasefire. The draft resolution demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages. It also deplores “all attacks against civilians and civilian objects, as well as all violence and hostilities against civilians, and all acts of terror”. This draft text follows Security Council resolution 2724, which was adopted on 8 March with 14 votes in favour and one abstention (Russia). It called for an immediate cessation of hostilities in Sudan during Ramadan and for all warring parties to seek a sustainable resolution to the conflict through dialogue.

Posted by: pq | Mar 22 2024 15:17 utc | 107

Chas | Mar 22 2024 13:43 utc | 107
Thanks. I’m sure that you are right. No doubt it as true of Northern Ireland as the South. But I’m sure that her point is sound- the sympathies of racists everywhere, from India to Ulster, are with the Israelis. The good thing is that it is now very unfashionable to be sporting Stars of David- they mark the wearers out as supporters of child killing.
Anyone interested in the significance of the recent vote in Ottawa on Palestine should read the Canada Files Newsletter:
“Meltdowns and words aplenty came around a March 18 Palestine vote in Canada’s parliament. But this non-binding vote and the final product which was voted on, is much more hype than a real victory.
“The vote occurring is a credit to the Canadian movement in support of Palestinian liberation. The credit comes in scaring Canada’s coalition government into feeling it needed to create the appearance of standing with Palestine in a substantive manner. But appearances don’t always match the reality.
https://www.thecanadafiles.com/articles/the-palestine-vote-in-canadas-parliament-its-no-victory?…”utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Posted by: bevin | Mar 22 2024 16:05 utc | 108

Quick quiz: name the first genocide of the 21st century.

Posted by: Exile | Mar 22 2024 18:32 utc | 109

Alberto Toscano reviews Haidar Eid’s ‘Decolonising the Palestinian Mind’, at the NLR’s sidecar site.
Haidar Eid and his family escaped the onslaught on Gaza- following the destruction of the University he worked at and most of the colleagues he worked with- because he has South African citizenship.
“….Looking back on the (Oslo) Accords, Eid asks whether we have been forced to endure horrible massacres, a genocidal siege, the unstoppable annexation of our land, the building of an apartheid wall, detention of entire families and children, demolition of hundreds of homes, and many other abuses only because a comprador class saw ‘independence’ at the end of a closed tunnel!?
“A return to the anti-colonial tradition of Said, Césaire, Fanon and Biko is necessary to counter a Palestinian ‘neo-nationalism’ which ‘beautifies occupation, endorses normalisation, and defends the racist two-state solution’, regardless of the fact that it ‘denies the rights of two-thirds of the Palestinian people, namely refugees and Palestinian citizens of Israel’. By tacitly accepting the existence of Israel as a Jewish state and coordinating with its repressive apparatuses, writes Eid, this neo-nationalist ideology has become a partner of the Zionist project. Its only ‘solution’ is to give a circumscribed political class the trappings of statehood (flag, anthem, police force) and delegated power over a fragmented population. This means denying the existence of the Palestinian people as a people, and reducing Palestine to the status of a governable or ungovernable enclave. Statehood, thus conceived, is tantamount to surrender. At most, such a state would grant the Palestinians notional ‘autonomy’ on 22% of their land, with no control over their borders or water reserves, no right of return, and no defence against Israel’s military juggernaut….”
Meanwhile as all will know, China and Russia- after a strongly worded statement by the Russian representative at the UN- vetoed a US resolution not actually calling for a ceasefire while claiming to do so in the Security Council. Those who recall De Gaulle might remember that he prophesied the demise of Israel on the grounds that its colonial cause was as doomed as Algeria’s- Algeria voted with Russia and China, Guyana (true to the memory of Cheddi Jagan) abstained and the lap dogs wagged their tails and leaped on to Uncle Sam’s insalubrious lap.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 22 2024 18:43 utc | 110

re sidecar and my post 115 this is the missing link to the article:
https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/undoing-oslo?pc=1586

Posted by: bevin | Mar 22 2024 18:45 utc | 111

Interesting!

Posted by: Mella | Mar 22 2024 18:56 utc | 112

Posted by: bevin | Mar 22 2024 18:45 utc | 116
By now I have read/ listened to dozens of intellectuals preaching in what Palestine should be doing, how both Hamas and Fatah suck.
I think everyone who is genuinely pro human believes that there must be one state, Palestinians must get the right of return, the occupation and apartheid must end and Israel must pay reparations.
But where are these intellectuals when Israel is firing on the Great March of Return people or beating settlers, uprooting olive trees, shooting children in the head?
They are in their offices writing about how Hamas and Fatah suck.
Most of the “intelligentsia” either live outside Palestine or like Haidar Eid, have dual citizenship. This a huge degree of protection. When this Gaza genocide started, the South African embassy was calling Haidar Eid frequently to ask if he wanted to evacuate.
Which he eventually did for the sake of his children.
None of these intellectuals ever have practical ideas. They criticize what exists, they find fancy names to describe what should be and that’s it.
Even Edward Said, he didn’t participate in liberation. He just pointed out that Western history books were racist. Wup de doop.
Where were the intellectuals in 1948, 1967 etc? Running away from Palestine, mostly.
I don’t judge them for running away but I do think it’s ridiculous that they criticize what is happening. They undermine the Palestinian resistance more than anything. If the want toake good careers outside Palestine fine, but at least just be a heart surgeon or whatever and STFU with criticizing the people in Palestine who put up with the persecution daily and resist however imperfectly and incompetently.
All of the intellectuals have opportunities to run away when push comes to shove. And they do.

Posted by: Pq | Mar 23 2024 6:53 utc | 113

Highly recommended essay
Shoah After Gaza byPankaj Mishra:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n06/pankaj-mishra/the-shoah-after-gaza
The London Barbican refused to host a London Review of Books winter series because of Mishra’s topic (read the essay).
You can also acquaint yourself with the Barbican’s softly worded pure bullshit explanation of
why it did not allow Mishra’s topic.
https://www.barbican.org.uk/our-story/press-room/a-statement-from-the-barbican-in-relation-to-the-london-review-of-books-winter
Is there better evidence of the total moral entropy of Western culture and the human mind it has produced.

Posted by: JB | Mar 23 2024 11:19 utc | 114

Northern Front Daily SITREP
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/hezbollah-drones-deal-precise-hits-to-two-iron-dome-launcher
Comment – Hezbollah continues striking IDF targets. IDF defenses appear to have been fully attrited since 2.Oct . Israeli media hysteria

Posted by: Exile | Mar 23 2024 19:24 utc | 115

It looks like Russia has taken a leaf from the Israeli tiktok army and UNRWA playbook: torture, post to social media.
For some bizarre reason, the Russian authorities allowed the interrogation of alleged “suspects” to be plastered not only to social media but even to RT and Ria Novosti. I thought it was Telegram junk but no.
1. One suspect “confesses” while having his ear chopped off and being made to eat it
2. Another has his face on a Russian boot while he “confesses”
3. The third is a chubby scared teenager who “confessed” after being stabbed in the eye. I mention his body type because he looks incapable of handling a big gun which requires strength and training.
Some random unemployed foreigners were offered a paltry sum to go Krasnogorsk and kill people? OOOKay
Nobody asks how four guys with small backpacks and guns managed in only ten minutes to kill 40 people between 20:03 and 20:13 (that was the death toll when they left) AND set a fire that was so huge that the roof collapsed and the building now looks a lot like a Gaza rubble scene.
I can only imagine that these three unconvincing frightened tortured men are being offered up to satisyfy public bloodlust for strategic reasons. Maybe all the real perpetrators have not been caught yet. Or maybe they are “Slavic Banderite brothers” from Ukraine. Or some other equally embarrassing species.
The same voices that were reaching for their smelling salts when it comes to Zionist torture now unquestioningly accept confessions extracted through Russian torture.
The veneer of being civilized is thin and explains exactly why Israel is getting away with genocide.
At the bar there is a human hierarchy: who can be tortured and who is allowed to torture with impunity.
I might have believed this story if only it had been offered as a neutral official statement rather than fed to the public in bits and pieces through gruesome torture videos and photos.
The herd stampedes to another corner of the bar and the burning question is not “how believable is a confession from torture” but rather: what is the ethnicity of the perpetrators?
Just as Europe/Israel can’t move beyond seeing the world as divided between Garden and Jungle, neither can most of the bar although it seems the consensus is that “Garden” includes Russians and Slavs (not Chechens, Central Asians etc.). Two days ago I listened to Dmitry Orlov whom I had respected but at some point he said: Russia has a skilled labour shortage. Russia can import a lot of manual labour from Central Asia but nobody from Central Asia is really capable of much more than that. Possibly they can do some factory work with training. With supreme arrogance he just dismisses a whole bunch of countries as incapable.
This is the essence of colonial and settler colonial thinking.
The NYT investigates within hours: Quickly the global narrative shifts to “ISIS” which is quite useful for Israel. Distracting as it does from the
-blowing up of the surgery department and most functional parts of Al Shifa
-mass executions of medics and patients
-some people run over by tanks
-another flour massacre
-some women raped and killed near Al Shifa
-800 Palestinians abducted from Al Shifa
-families who died trapped in burning houses
The evil is not only in the halls of power, it’s right here in the bar amongst those who accept torture as a means of extracting confessions.

Posted by: pq | Mar 23 2024 21:37 utc | 116

Below is a cringe worthy Reuters posting title
U.S. proposes hostage-to-prisoner ratio in Gaza truce talks, Israeli official says
Where does it say there should be a ratio?
And aren’t they both prisoners of some definition?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 24 2024 0:31 utc | 117

ZH has a posting up with the title
‘Will Send Netanyahu To Allah’: Erdogan’s Words Spark Outrage In Israel
the quote

Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has from the start of the Israel-Hamas war been among the most aggressive and fiercest critics of Israel and especially its prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
While Erdogan has long denounced Israel’s operation in Gaza, on Thursday he unleashed his harshest rhetoric yet, which came close to perhaps being a direct threat against Netanyahu’s life. In an election rally the Turkish president vowed to “send [Netanyahu] to Allah to take care of him, make him miserable and curse him.”
The threatening and inflammatory words were widely picked up in Israeli press reports, causing outrage. He additionally described that “Netanyahu and his administration, with their crimes against humanity in Gaza, are writing their names next to Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin, like today’s Nazis.”
Another media outlet which covers regional events translated Erdogan’s words as follows:

In a fresh attack on the Israeli prime minister over the ongoing Israel-Hamas war, Erdogan told the crowd gathered at an election rally in central Anatolia on Thursday, “I’m leaving the person called Netanyahu in the Lord’s hands.” He then added, “May the Lord damn him.”

Thus depending on how the remarks are translated, the statement leaves itself open to interpretation possibly as a direct threat against the Israeli leader.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 24 2024 0:47 utc | 118

122 psychohistorian. An appropriate ratio, approximated to the number of captives held on both sides, would be 200 Palestinians freed for every one Israeli.

Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 24 2024 4:55 utc | 119

Israeli army has raped Palestinian women in Gaza before killing them. This is all in the past few days as Al Shifa has been under a siege.
As Israeli forces stormed Al Shifa and destroyed the hospital, they used Palestinians as human shields sending them ahead. Of course no fighters were in the hospital.
Now they have started a siege of Al Amal Hospital. Just unbelievable.

Posted by: pq | Mar 24 2024 9:39 utc | 120

PQ,
It’s a reasonable to surmise that the Likudniks have committed such atrocities for a hundred years, but this is the first time it’s been documented in living color in realtime. The Likud commits such atrocities so routinely one can only believe they haven‘t the slightest notion they‘ll ever be held accountable.

Posted by: Exile | Mar 24 2024 13:06 utc | 121

Hezbollah SitRep
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2071060
Comment – A 60 rocket barrage against a IDF base hosting the re-training of the Golani Brigade after getting mauled in Gaza. Must be major PTSDs among those weekend warriors these days.

Posted by: Exile | Mar 24 2024 13:14 utc | 122