Palestine Open Thread 2024-082
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Posted by b on March 17, 2024 at 14:30 UTC | Permalink
next page »team10tim@1.... they'll be relieved, especially in the Ukraine..... it'll free up bombs to kill more Russians....and round and round we go!
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 17 2024 14:57 utc | 2
team10tim @1
Hard to guess, not knowing how much (how little) they had up to now. The old adage is: one can go without air for 3 minutes, water for 3 days, food for 3 weeks. Air they have access to. Water is the most critical, then food. The IRA hunger strikers (Bobby Sands, Francis Hughes, et al) had access to water, and they went 23-28 days before succumbing. This is the timeline I am expecting. As for Western media coverage, probably the Ethiopian famine style showing of images of human skeletons will be censored to protect the "reputation" of the genocider apartheid regime.
Posted by: AJ | Mar 17 2024 15:16 utc | 3
Posted by: team10tim | Mar 17 2024 14:48 utc | 1
Follow up, any guesses on the how the west will respond to thousands of starvation deaths every week?
Since you're asking, my guess is that the West will respond by denouncing it harshly and then putting a stop to it by forcing the Israelis to cease their attacks in order to provide humanitarian help.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 17 2024 15:26 utc | 4
Does anyone have any estimates about when Palestinians are going to die from starvation?
Posted by: team10tim | Mar 17 2024 14:48 utc | 1
They have already started to die. Usually elderly or very young or the frail. It's not just about death, it's about lower life expectancy even if they do survive the present.
"to protect the "reputation" of the genocider apartheid regime."
Posted by: AJ | Mar 17 2024 15:16 utc | 3
The genocider apartheid regime could not do it without the backing of US, UK, Germany, France, EU, Canada, etc. But especially the US and UK which have supported Zionism for 150 years and they don't want to give ip now. Old colonial habits die hard.
Posted by: pq | Mar 17 2024 15:30 utc | 5
team10tim @1
Correction. The IRA hunger strikers went 46-73 days before succumbing. Apologies for faulty memory from 1981.
Posted by: AJ | Mar 17 2024 15:32 utc | 6
"The old adage is: one can go without air for 3 minutes, water for 3 days, food for 3 weeks..."
Posted by: AJ | Mar 17 2024 15:16 utc | 3
You are quite light on the air (1) and food (2). I myself have fasted for 5 days without any effect; it depends on how much fat you carry-the fatter you are the longer one can live be without food): the water estimation is about right , I believe.
1. "Professional breath hold diver Budimir Šobat's world record of 24 minutes and 37 seconds holding his breath underwater. During a breath hold, the level of blood CO2 rises, and the O2 declines. The initial increase in the urge to breathe — let's say 30 seconds into the breath hold — primarily comes from the rising CO2.Feb 5, 2023"
2. Agostino "Angus" Giuseppe A Barbieri (1939 – 7 September 1990) was a Scottish man who fasted for 382 days, from June 14, 1965 to June 30, 1966. He lived mainly on tea, coffee, sparkling water, and vitamins while living at home in Tayport, Scotland, and frequently visiting Maryfield Hospital for medical evaluation.
Al-Qassem Daily SitRep
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2066847
Comment - another IDF drone shot down, plus couple of ambushes. 1 video of what appears to be a compilation of RPG attacks on oblivious Merkavas. The attacks seem to be from hastily dug “vents” whereby the RPG shooter pops ups shoots and scoots back down into the tunnel fortress,
Note - distinct lack of activity on southern front over the last few days. Might be the 3 remaining IDF brigades are laying low, might be the Arabs are recuperating, might be some Ramadan pause - TBD
Posted by: Exile | Mar 17 2024 16:12 utc | 8
A lot of Irish are coming out against Genocide Joe Biden this Saint Patrick's day*. Looks like he is doomed politically, and along with that support of Israel. This whole war/genocide thing is likely to collapse here soon.
*https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/3/17/does-biden-face-the-loss-of-the-irish-vote
Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Mar 17 2024 16:21 utc | 9
Prominent writers boycott PEN World Voices Festival over Gaza
……Dozens of writers have withdrawn from an international literary festival as it failed to call for an end to the ongoing Israeli genocide against Gaza.
Namoi Klein, Michelle Alexander, Hisham Matar, Isabella Hammad, Maaza Mengiste, Zaina Arafat, Susan Muaddi Darraj, and other writers quit the PEN World Voices Festival of International Literature as reported by the US The Daily Beast on March 15, which cited a letter released two days prior. …..
Posted by: Exile | Mar 17 2024 16:21 utc | 10
Re: death from starvation
There are many accounts in siege warfare of who and how citizens die from lack of food and water. Essentially - the infirm and young children die first, then strapping young men, the last to die are women.
The accounts are horrifying beyond imagination
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Posted by: Exile | Mar 17 2024 17:32 utc | 11
“No international pressure will stop us from realising all of the goals of the war” said Netanyahu.
Posted by: phenon | Mar 17 2024 17:42 utc | 12
“To our friends in the international community, I say: is your memory so short? So quickly you forgot about October 7, the worst massacre committed against Jews since the Holocaust? So quickly you are ready to deny Israel the right to defend itself against the monsters of Hamas?"
I think Netanyahu forgets the unproportionallity of their response
Under international humanitarian law governing the legal use of force in an armed conflict, proportionality and distinction are important factors in assessing military necessity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_(law)
Posted by: phenon | Mar 17 2024 17:54 utc | 13
As they roll, IOF persistently forges new frontiers of depravity, amid Gaza's ruins:
Israeli troops circulating on social media showing them posing for pictures with intimate apparel pilfered from the bedrooms of Gazan women. Amid the daily onslaught of murder, deprivation, and forced starvation, not to mention images of mutilated Palestinian children, here are Israeli soldiers beside themselves with self-congratulatory glee, gallivanting around snatching bras and ogling panties.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 17 2024 17:58 utc | 14
Caitlin Johnstone really has it right as she writes in her article:
They're Really Going To Try To Lay All The Blame For Gaza On Netanyahu
She doesn't mention US Senator Chuck Schumer, a US Jewish leader, but Schumer made it clear in
his March 14th speech. He has always been a staunch supporter and friend of Netanyahu so
it was an earthquake in Israel when Schumer proposed new elections in Israel.
Schumer wants to turn the clock back to Oct 6th by getting rid of Netanyahu and
thereby washing his hands of the massive slaughter of Palestinians.
Before October 7, things were moving in the right direction. The United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia both were on the path to normalization with Israel, and with conditions that would greatly benefit the lives of the Palestinian people. Many believe that Iran motivated Hamas to disrupt this process, and indeed there have been setbacks since October 7, but recent talks between Arab and American leaders suggest the desire is stronger than ever now to find a path forward. Arab leaders cannot lose their stomachs for peace now at this critical inflection point. They must continue to pursue the path to normalization of relations with Israel, and the US should use all of its power and influence to bring them to the table and make them cooperate constructively.
If Netanyahu goes then the slaughter of Palestinians can go down the memory hole.
Problem is, the world has seen that it wasn't Netanyahu. He never pulled the trigger at close range
on any Palestinian women or children. Israeli culture and society did that. They created their soldiers
from their psychopathic collective. The world has seen what Israel is through the actions of it's soldiers.
Netanyahu is only a symbolic monster. The real monster is Israel itself.
Schumer, etal, hope to throw their fall guy, Netanyahu, under the bus and then
return to the state of Israeli oppression, murder and theft that existed long, long, long before October 6th.
I cannot leave without noting Schumer's choice of words.
"the brutal slaying of Israelis by Hamas" vs "the harrowing civilian toll in Gaza"
Blame vs Blameless
The world has witnessed the monstrous brutality of the IDF, a product of the psychopathic collective
that is Israel.
In Scripture, we read about how God created the world from an infinite void — that out of the greatest darkness
can come the greatest light. I hope and pray that from the brutal slaying of Israelis by Hamas,
and the harrowing civilian toll in Gaza, that a two-state solution where Jews and Palestinians
can live in peace will prevail.
Posted by: librul | Mar 17 2024 18:35 utc | 15
Re: “The worst massacre of Jews since 1945 “?
Massacre Committed by the IDF - who killed 400+ Israelis that day. Netanyahu might want to stop reminding the world. 😂
Posted by: Exile | Mar 17 2024 18:52 utc | 16
Brief military analysis - based on fighting in the North of Gaza.
Posted by: Exile | Mar 17 2024 18:54 utc | 17
A large avalanche of cash is flowing into Egypt recently -
The IMF - 6B
Massive 35B+ UAE deal with a 10 bullion bung up front
Now the EU into the game with 7.5 BB
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/17/egypt-eu-deal-refugees-mediterranean
Not sure what the US contribution is ....
Hmmmm
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 17 2024 19:00 utc | 18
'Then Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the iniquities of the people of Israel, and all their transgressions, all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and sending it away into the wilderness by means of someone designated for the task. The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to a barren region; and the goat shall be set free in the wilderness.'
— Leviticus 16:21–22
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat
Posted by: phenon | Mar 17 2024 19:04 utc | 19
Follow up, any guesses on the how the west will respond ...
Posted by: team10tim | Mar 17 2024 14:48 utc | 1
EU is increasing its strategic partnership with Egypt/Sisi to curb migration with a gift of 8bn. It looks like a pay-off, and it speaks of containment of the "Palestine issue" to Palestine.
The timing is critical, just enough have to starve for the US to save the day and for international outrage not to boil over.
Once Gaza is segregated into relief centers supplied by the new port and by Egypt, the south will be blitzed.
From there it will be global management, UN will follow along without choice, EU will be actively playing sidekick to US and "Israel" .
They will get away with it, and it will turn into a political theme of how to best manage Gaza into the future.
It also allows EU to control the migrant flow into Europe. A recent example was failure to care for Syrians displaced by the west onto Turkish soil. If it were chosen an argument with Egypt might be created and Palestinians refugees on the Gaza border would then be allowed to migrate to Europe, so "justifying" further EU "spending" in N. Africa with the pretext of controlling that.
That is not to even mention the ongoing project of unifying the european border.
Posted by: Ornot | Mar 17 2024 19:09 utc | 20
This is well worth reading ...
‘We Lost the War with Hamas’ – Israeli Major General Yitzhak Barik
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/we-lost-the-war-with-hamas-israeli-major-general-yitzhak-barik/
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 17 2024 19:13 utc | 21
Posted by: phenon | Mar 17 2024 17:54 utc | 11
You cite "international law", but who are the lawyers and judges ? Are they jews themselves or married to one or being blackmailed by a jew ?
The past and the present say "yes".
And let's say some court in some previous apartheid state, a true "underdog victory" kind of a country according to the moral values installed into the heads of NPC TalmudVision enjoyers worldwide - let's say that court somehow avoids the subversion of the jew and rules in favor of the obvious.
Then what ? Nothing ?
We are rapidly moving towards might makes right. How anyone feels about that is irrelevant.
Posted by: ryanggg | Mar 17 2024 19:48 utc | 22
It started. Yemen can now hit ships in the Indian Ocean and as far as the Horn of Africa. This virtually shuts down shipping to Israel, and will heavily impact the US and UK.
Richard Medhurst is doing a victory dance.
I'm curious what that means in terms of them deciding to hit Israeli cities, bases, and ports.
https://youtu.be/aO0-jbUfbxA?si=PgjRxC3a-5wu5tWa
Posted by: David G Horsman | Mar 17 2024 20:20 utc | 23
Don Firineach 19
The Major General is only looking at one part of USUKIS ' defeat. The entire world has witnessed an unprecedented event, the Western genocide of one of the fraillest Muslim communities , living in the midst of some of the wealthiest Muslim countries in the world.
And no protest , no jihad, no diplomatic voice except, Muhammad bin Salman is pained, possibly because it threatens his country's Normalisation with Israel.
The Sunni world is silent.
Tha last Palestine Open thread turned into a kind of G stringed male Muscle display with RTLW bragging about his murdering of Muslims for USUKIS, and the fragging of a US commander for denying that Bin Laden was still around to be killed by US seals.
Osama bin Laden was fully intertwined with US Foreign Policy and died of Kidney failure long ago , we're told.
Is the starvation by USUKIS of 3 million Palestinians a useful pretext for airing all the other USUKIS - Political Islam , war crimes?
If so, then USUKIS has reached the absolute depths of disgrace and contempt, when instead of protesting the USUKIS massacre, this blog is used for glorifying USUKIS previous 50 years of war crimes.
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 17 2024 20:20 utc | 24
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Reading the last Palestine thread convinced me that American contributors on this blog still believe in their hearts that although killing Muslims is despicable and wrong , the US is sent to rectify the errors of the Muslims and the errors of the Communists.
This is hurting us more than it is hurting you.
Unbelievable. Retired Major General Yitshak Barik is included in that deluded group of people who in their hearts believe that the necessary genocide of Muslims ought to be done in a less public way.
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 17 2024 20:32 utc | 25
Reading the last Palestine thread convinced me that American contributors on this blog still believe in their hearts that although killing Muslims is despicable and wrong , the US is sent to rectify the errors of the Muslims and the errors of the Communists.
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Posted by: Giyane | Mar 17 2024 20:32 utc | 23
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"errors of the Communists"?????
What nationality are you, Giyane?
Are you from the Limpopo region?
Posted by: Jane | Mar 17 2024 20:57 utc | 26
Depends on the fat storage of the people. Once you get into ketogenic fat burning mode you actually can last quite long (months, world records for several morbidly obese fasters was over a year). It's something the human body has adapted to, going a whole season or two off of one's fat reserves, in its migrations around an Ice Age planet.
The big thing is stopping the consumption of carbohydrates so as to get into fat burning mode. So yeah, that pita flat bread is oddly doing more harm than good, as it is preventing the fat burning mode for the healthy to obese adults. Elderly, frail, and children typically do not have similar reserves, so they are in danger.
Also oddly enough is prolonged fasting has been known to increase longevity. We have the data from the Great Depression and its positive effect in longevity extension to typical average lifespans. The fasting also tends to tap into one's store of stem cells (in one's bone marrow) for rejuvenation. So those Gazans who will survive this will be longer lived to recall the horror for world evidence testimony to aid lawsuits against the Zionists for very long after.
/cheep cheep
/flies away! :D
Posted by: titmouse | Mar 17 2024 21:20 utc | 27
1....I suspect some buried alive by the bombing have already died of starvation
Posted by: Jo | Mar 17 2024 21:30 utc | 28
Muhammad bin Salman is pained, possibly because it threatens his country's Normalisation with Israel.
Tha last Palestine Open thread turned into a kind of G stringed male Muscle display with RTLW bragging about his murdering of Muslims for USUKIS Is the starvation by USUKIS of 3 million Palestinians a useful pretext for airing all the other USUKIS - Political Islam , war crimes?
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 17 2024 20:20 utc | 22
This forum is a tiny microcosm of the Collective Waste since most on it seem to be from the Collective Waste. It reflects pretty accurately the world outside: the best (in very small amounts), the worst (in large amounts) and the mediocre (in copious amounts).
RTLW's racist bullshit about the IQ of American blacks in the last thread even as he admits his own war crimes is a reflection of how low Western "civilization" has fallen. Completely shameless but still rooted in a failing supremacist ideology. One might think that someone who admits to war crimes and participating in illegal invasions might at least refrain from pretending to be superior to another race. One would be mistaken.
I don't find obsession with fake religious labels on mercenary proxy armies run by the West helpful either.
The mythology of "Political Islam" was created as a narrative by Zionists and their Western neocon think tanks to convince a brainless Western public of the need for land grabs and taxpayer money laundering through the MIC.
On the ground in Africa and West Asia there are only three kinds of armed groups:
1. NATO government terrorist militaries (and contractors) which have invaded faraway countries
2. genuine liberation groups who just want the invaders gone and
3. NATO organized and controlled mercenary proxies
It is possible that individuals in war torn countrie may have shifted between groups 2 and 3 in some rare circumstances in order to survive.
Political Islam is not "Islam" any more than Hindutva is "Hinduism". Hindutva is a fanatical political movement that has fuck all to do with any sort of spirituality, which is after all an esssential component of any organized religion.
But unlike Hindutva "political Islam" only exists in the headlines of the New York Times and Financial Times to be faithfully parroted by obsessed people such as yourself.
Hamas, Hezbollah and Palestine Islamic Jihad for example are liberation movements. They take their inspiration and code of ethics from Islam but their politics is about liberation and resistance along with the secular PFLP and DFLP.
We see that the various Palestinian resistance factions never target the evacuation of wounded Israeli soliders. Nor did they target deliberately civilians, women or children on Oct 7 although some may have died in crossfire.
It's ironic that political Islam exists in the mindspace of Islamophobes across the Collective Waste but the one place it rarely exists is in the political sphere of Muslim majority countries. As MbS once said: what on earth is Wahabism??
As for the Saudi normalization thing, I'd like anyone who believes that Saudi is "desperate" to normalize to give me a logical explanation of what Saudi would get out of it.
Without speaking Arabic, it's hard to research the Saudi perspective but from what little I've found I've come to the conclusion that no Arab country really wants to normalize with genocidal psychopaths. What they really want is for the threat of war created by Israel to go away. If the threat of war could be removed by getting rid of the Israeli apartheid regime, that would be the preferred option.
The UAE normalization has been mostly at the level of the Fortune 500 corporations, which is probably why UAE was pressured into it in the first place. Almost no UAE nationals or UAE small businesses have devloped ties with Israel. Israelis like to flee their banana republic military outpost to Dubai but almost no UAE nationals have been to Israel on holiday. The traffic between the two countries is mostly Western expats in the UAE.
The US, UK etc. have had "normal relations" with Israel since it was created. Anyone want to explain to me how this has helepd the US and UK?? What financial benefits have flown to the UK from being "normal" with Israel????? Who has ever made money from dealing with Israel?
Israel wants to "normalize" with Saudi only to use Saudi to start shit disturbing with Iran. It's all over their Hebrew media. Hasbara is constantly inventing fake stories to claim the Arabs love them. And many (not all) on MoA suck it up because it conforms to their racist beliefs.
C'est la vie.
Posted by: pq | Mar 17 2024 21:54 utc | 29
I have noticed the 30,000 dead has been the current number for a long time. This one number brings back memories of the Bush II Iraq War. He picked a number out of the air that would be acceptable. I think a lot more Iraqis died than that. Likewise, Gaza fatalities of 30,000 makes no sense to me.
I think Ralph Nader has it right: over 200,000 have died in Gaza.
https://nader.org/2024/03/05/stop-the-worsening-undercount-of-palestinian-casualties-in-gaza/
Posted by: DG | Mar 17 2024 22:09 utc | 31
Jane 24
I speak as a Muslim. Yesterday I posted the Chapter and verse in the Gospels which proves that the Jews were expecting the Messiah and the Prophet at thex same of Jesus pbuh.
An awful long time has passed for the Jews who rejected the Mesdiah pbuh in spite of the miracles he was given by God.
A very long time has passed since the Jews moved to Medina, awaiting the arrival of the expected Prophet, only to find he was Arab, and for this reason also reject him, may Allah's pleace and blessings be upon him and his family.
Both of these prophets only call humans to the worship of God.
And yet the criminals who crusade
against Muslims and teach Azov Paganism against Communism find for some reason the idea of an all-knowing God deeply perturbing.
Just the idea of godliness and with Russia just the idea of respecting sovereign states.
Any idea why ? Does obliterating Muslims or fighting Russians have the slightest effect either on God or International Law? No, it just proves that USUKIS are inveterate colonial pirates, who have no spiritual understanding and no intelligence about human life.
In Islam we have a relationship with God and a relationship with other human beings. USUKIS has neither.
Confirmation is in this and the Ukrainian genocides launched by USUKIS.
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 17 2024 22:25 utc | 32
In addition to the Scheerpost article shared above by Aleph_Null, I present this one.
Which take apart the fabulist, phony and lacking any real evidence UN report on allegations of "mass rape" or even any rape at all on October 7, inclusive of the Nova Music Festival and all affected kibbutzim.
Additionally, as a resource (taken from above article), the following summary of the situation as detailed at the New York Crimes.
https://sites.google.com/view/nycrimes/home/no-4?authuser=0
Both are worth bookmarking for future "debates" on the matter.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 17 2024 22:26 utc | 33
Who has ever made money from dealing with Israel?
Posted by: pq | Mar 17 2024 21:54 utc | 27
Thanks for the otherwise thought provoking post, but I think you must've been writing facetiously with that question. Clearly lots of Americans who work for weapons and technology firms make a lot of money from dealing with Israel. As they like to say, much of the "aid" - especially military, but also financial - sent to Israel makes its way back to the Beltway and Silicon Valley, along with some other areas where these industries are located.
Re: Wahhabism, while I won't venture too far down that rabbit hole, I don't find it controversial to point out that in whatever capacity it was formed (supposedly in the 1800s), or later funded and helped along by dirty "intelligence" agencies of the Collective Waste (good term for it), it is a real thing.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 17 2024 22:43 utc | 34
Israel is not a banana republic but an independent and proud democracy that elected Prime Minister Netanyahu," the ruling Likud Party said in a statement.
Something only a banana Republic living on graft and free stuff says
Posted by: Hankster | Mar 17 2024 23:09 utc | 35
Posted by: pq | Mar 17 2024 21:54 utc | 27
Unfortunately, extremist Saudi led Wahabi ideology predates War on Terror. My father who was born in the 20s was talking about it in the 70s, long before anyone in the west even thought about Muslims. Prior to the GWOT, it was an internal problem not relevant to the West.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Mar 17 2024 23:17 utc | 36
fyi,
meanwhile back at the genocide ranch.
this thread by Elijah M. - and a first hand account:
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1723017250347585561
For those who don't remember, #Israel's genocide and invasion is business as usual:
In 1982, the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) invaded #Beirut #Lebanon and besieged it for 88 days, killing an estimated 18,000 people. Not a drop of water or a piece of bread was allowed in.
The Israeli criminal mind: (1982) One weekend, I left besieged #Beirut to take a day off from the bombing before the siege. When I returned, the Israelis surrounded the city and prevented anyone from going in or out. When I insisted on going back into the city of #Beirut to do my job as a journalist, the Israeli officer let me in through a small side street next to the former Lebanese parliament on Museum Street, where I saw many people killed on the way and bodies lying everywhere. I walked between the bodies and the rubble and couldn't understand why there were so many bodies until I got to the other side, and the resistance forces told me that I had just walked into a minefield.
The Israeli officer forced me to empty the only bottle of water I was carrying and to throw away my sandwich. Israel cut the water & electricity in #Beirut before bombing it. I returned the morning when the Israeli tanks were trying to break into the city to observe the advance
It's a long story, I'll tell you one day, how I was caught with Italian & French journalists in crossfire & managed to cross 400 m in 4 hrs under the bombardment of Israeli tanks, in the crossfire of the Mil Tribunal, until we reached the Barbir hospital on the demarcation line
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1723022591676305613
You see, for #Israel to cut water & electricity, besiege a city, bomb & massacre civilians is normal behaviour that leaves its officials w/o any remorse. It is normal because we are dealing with the 2d and 3d generations of the Zionist Irgun Terrorist organisation, born in 1931
Those who created #Israel and ruled it came from the Irgun terrorists. Therefore, it is normal behaviour in a terrorist mentality to torture people and make them suffer before killing them.
ZIONISM AND TERROR: THE CREATION OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL.
https://jstor.org/stable/44155829
Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 17 2024 23:34 utc | 37
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 17 2024 22:26 utc | 31
Thanks for that. Surely these lies, bubbling all the way up from Zionist dregs to the Gray Lady and even the UN, will forever be remembered as classic flood-the-airwaves atrocity propaganda to justify genocide (along with the beheaded babies, of which Genocide Joe keeps relating his profoundly sick vision).
Like the allegations against UNWRA, there's nary a shred of credible evidence, which doesn't stop the agitprop machine from hanging its own credibility out to dry. Over and over again. Israel deceives US American Powers-that-be like Lucy tricks Charlie Brown into trying to kick that football. There's a ritualistic aroma of eterity to it.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 18 2024 0:06 utc | 38
Ornot | Mar 17 2024 19:09 utc | 18
*** That is not to even mention the ongoing project of unifying the european border.***
Or the ongoing project to steal the Palestinian gas and oil.
Posted by: Cynic | Mar 18 2024 0:43 utc | 40
Philip Weiss has great news for anti-Zionists, reading the tea-leaves after Schumer's complaint:
Now everyone hates Israel!
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/03/weekly-briefing-now-everyone-hates-israel/
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 18 2024 0:49 utc | 41
"..Without speaking Arabic, it's hard to research the Saudi perspective but from what little I've found I've come to the conclusion that no Arab country really wants to normalize with genocidal psychopaths. What they really want is for the threat of war created by Israel to go away..... C'est la vie.
Posted by: pq | Mar 17 2024 21:54 utc | 27
Exactly. Besides which, Saudi and others have had unofficial deals with Israel, formal normalisation with a piece of paper seems to mostly benefit USUKIS interests. At best it might theoretically reduce the risk of regional war by Israel in the future, but Israel has never paid much attention to pieces of paper.
The criticism of the complicity or otherwise of countries like Saudi, UAE etc for not doing more than words, or even continuing to trade, profit etc I believe is a bit unfair. (Turkiye is one exception, always double and triple-dealing and not above war-profiteering). Some of these countries are in effect "hostage" states, rather than 'clients' or 'vassals'. The bulk of their wealth is held 'hostage' in the USUKIS banking and financial institutions from the petrodollar agreement, which followed the 1973 war. Some States like Jordan are so deeply infiltrated and owned by USUKIS, they have no ability to act, whether they wanted to or not, the best they can do is empty words for their own populations. And with US in particular being in such a belligerent mood, means they are highly unpredictable. Angering the US is a very risky move.
I thought one of Ansarallah's (Yemeni) recent interviews/speeches was interesting in relation to the 'complicit' Arab states. The sp0kesman said something along the lines of ' we understand that some countries can't join the resistance, whether because they are just unable to, or are too scared to, or because they genuinely prefer the pre-Gaza conflict 'status quo' as being in their own national/elite interests, and are just sitting it out to see which comes out on top at the end'. but as long as they don't interfere with the Axis of Resistance and remain neutral towards us, we have no issue with them.'
I suspect even Russia has a strong Zionist lobby within its own oligarchy. Many, many years ago, I heard Putin speak about the oligarchs left after the fall of the Soviet Union and Yeltsin's weak regime - he said something like, fine. OK go off and be billionaires in the market economy, but pay your taxes, don't interfere with Kremlin politics, or act against the State's interests. A few tried and were assassinated, or otherwise 'neutralised' - but methinx that only applies to domestic policies - in terms of foreign policy, the Russian Zionist oligarchy may yet wield a lot of power.
As for the official number of deaths having stayed mostly steady at 30something thousand, they are only officially counted at official sites like the remains of hospitals with somebody official to do the recording. Of course, this means there is severe under-reporting, not just from bodies still being buried under rubble, but from all sorts of things, like non-identification. eg children survivors who are too young, or too traumatised to tell anyone what happened to the rest of their family. Just found wandering. Others getting lost in ruins going out to search for food or water. Then there are those who don't get taken to official centres and just buried, (or even left, especially lone elderly or children) wherever they are.
Most of the starvation deaths are in the north, which has been cut off for weeks. These are the people who for whatever reason, did not move south to Rafah. Then ones who die in the north, are even less likely to be counted unless they show up at an official centre. Then there is disease deaths, malnutrition lowers immunity. In such crowded unsanitary conditions with limited clean water, I am surprised that epidemics of something like cholera or typhus, aren't being reported, as it was in the WW2 camps towards the end of the war. And without antibiotics, could be horrendous, although I did see one of the IDF soldiers' ubiquitous personal TikTok videos speaking about letting antibiotics in, because they don't want Israeli soldiers "catching anything".
Then there are the "missing", some under the rubble, but thousands have also been taken by Israeli forces for interrogation, imprisonment or torture dens including systematic rapes. Who knows how many may have died under that? Is Israel counting them? In some places where soldiers have withdrawn, leaving behind mass body dumps. Some are returned alive to further traumatise the survivors.
The last official count I heard was 115,000 confirmed dead, OR maimed (serious life debilitating/threatening injuries eg amputations, eye damage, burns etc) OR confirmed as Missing.
So the estimate of 200,000 is probably close to reality.
Then the public media mania, such a massive psyop - the forced starvation, thirst etc with horrendous prison conditions, becomes a bargaining chip to pressure Palestinian resistance into full surrender to sole US/Israel control. Nobody else besides US/Israel. Like the forthcoming "pier" - under cover of 'improving aid access', partly to appease dissent in the home country, partly to bypass UNWRA (and by extension the entire UN) both now and in the future, and reinforce "security" controls for the future - and have troops nearby in case Hezbollah or other Axis-of-Resistance actors get too uppity.
Meanwhile deaths and imprisonment are rising in the West Bank with its apartheid "Walls".
But Israel isn't getting all its own way, they are also seriously under-reporting their deaths, injuries and loss of equipment, bases and other military infrastructure (and more recently civilian infrastructure, like power grid damage around Haifa), more Israelis are leaving the country on one-way tickets, their economy is tanking, they have 150-200,000 IDPs, with rubble-ridden kibbutzim in both the north and south, and the Yemeni and Hezbollah are incrementally increasing the intensity of their pressure daily to 'exhaust' the Israelis. The Iraqi resistance is back too, after a short hiatus. Methinx the Axis-of-Resistance is trying to pressure Israel into exhaustion, weakening through attrition, trying to pressure Israel into "breaking" first.
Posted by: Rain | Mar 18 2024 0:54 utc | 42
Israel is victorious!!!
Posted by: Conqueror of PLSTN | Mar 18 2024 0:34 utc | 37
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If you are correct, then evil has triumphed again: International Law is dead, and the US rules-based order remains. If you are correct the so called "chosen" people are in fact a plague from God against humanity.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 18 2024 0:54 utc | 43
I speak as a Muslim. . . .
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 17 2024 22:25 utc | 30
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None of this explains your comment about Americans and Communists.
Just like Americans, of whom you speak authoritatively (you think), you come from somewhere.
Where you come from is just as relevant as where they come from.
Posted by: Jane | Mar 18 2024 0:59 utc | 44
Jane 42
Rather than discuss Jewish prophethood in 30 AD, you're still looking for a handle to throw a toy out of the pram.
Jews refusing to follow their own prophets will end in tears. But the tears are Jewish tears. Continuing to stick fingers in ears after 2000 years will not stop those tears.
It's time , long overdue , for the reluctance of Jews to listen to the teachings of the Messiah AS and the Last Prophet SAW to be challenged.
There has been over 100 years of Zionist brutality in Israel and now the Israelis themselves have been driven mad by Netanyahu's lies about Oct 7.
The world is patient, waiting to see if sanity will prevail, but its becoming obvious that the dog has rabies and intends to give its rabies to the entire world.
The logical outcome of such madness is for the dog to be put down.
The postman and passing sailors will be safer.
The calculation is simply how much damage Israel can do to the dog handlers if they try to shoot the dog, and how much blame should fall on Israel's sponsors, US and UK , without whom Israel could not have done this genocide.
It's no longer a calculation about how long to wait for Jews to listen.
They've had 2000 years. US and UK will be partly forgiven for their goading of the dog, if they assist the dog handler and police to put the creature down.
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 18 2024 1:33 utc | 46
fyi
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/human-rights-watch-calls-for-sanctions--arms-embargo-on--isr
Human Rights Watch calls for sanctions, arms embargo on 'Israel'
Human Rights Watch called for international sanctions on "Israel" due to its non-compliance with ICJ orders to prevent genocide
....."States must impose sanctions and an arms embargo on Israel, to compel it to comply with the order issued by the International Court of Justice," the organization wrote, noting that "Tel Aviv" has failed to comply with the court's orders and has not worked to deliver aid and basic services to Gaza's residents.
....In a statement published on February 26, the director of the organization's Palestine branch, Omar Shakir, said that the Israeli regime "is starving Gaza’s 2.3 million Palestinians, putting them in even more peril than before the World Court’s binding order," noting that the regime "has simply ignored the court’s ruling, and in some ways even intensified its repression, including further blocking lifesaving aid."
Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 18 2024 1:36 utc | 47
An awful long time has passed for the Jews who rejected the Mesdiah pbuh in spite of the miracles he was given by God.
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 17 2024 22:25 utc | 30
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Giyana, you (and others) are just pissing in the wind when you use 'God' as a basis for your arguments. When you can prove a 'God" exist, you can in fact beat people over the head with your proof in hand, but first you must travel to Stockholm to pick up your prize for proving what no human has done so far.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 18 2024 1:40 utc | 48
Giyane 44
"Jane 42
Rather than discuss Jewish prophethood in 30 AD, you're still looking for a handle to throw a toy out of the pram."
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Yawn.
Posted by: Jane | Mar 18 2024 1:43 utc | 49
…..this thread by Elijah M. - and a first hand account:
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1723017250347585561
For those who don't remember, #Israel's genocide and invasion is business as usual:…..
Shocking., terrifying, most illuminating
thank you for posting
Posted by: Exile | Mar 18 2024 2:02 utc | 51
Rain | Mar 18 2024 0:54 utc | 40
A Hard Rain’s Gonna Fall. Save us all, mercy for all.
Posted by: Thunder | Mar 18 2024 2:04 utc | 52
Tom_Q_Collins 32
"To be sure, the religion of Islam poses just as much or little a threat to the world as the religions of Judaism or Christianity. Nevertheless, certain radical pockets exist who use and abuse religion to justify their disgust for dissent and whose totalitarian practices can only be classified as fascist. Their attempts to destroy reason, progress and humanist ideals make them ideal tools for the most aggressive imperialist factions within the U.S. establishment to push for regime change and implement their exploitative impoverishing agendas "
If the truth were told , Hamas has been used by Netanyahu in exactly the same way as US and UK have used Salafist Fascism for hundreds of years. But Biden is too old and Sunak too wet behind the ears to realise that Netanyahu was doing something different to the USUKIS Imperialist coalition to which Israel belongs.
Netanyahu has caught Biden and Sunak like a rabbit in the headlights by selling his genocide to his colleagues as Greater-Israel-serving USUKIS Imperialism.
Only now, after stupidly collaborating with this genocide do the two stupid world leaders Biden and Sunak realise that they
are dealing with an asshole.
If you keep selecting stupid people as leaders, instead of allowing the people to elect who they choose, you will end up with a massive echo-chamber at the centres of power, where uttering the right AltRight slogans will make you Potus or PM, waaaay above your pay grade.
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 18 2024 2:19 utc | 53
what the h--- does rtlw mean? for christ sake, some of us are just common citizens.
Posted by: DAVID AMBROSE GLISIN | Mar 18 2024 2:20 utc | 54
Ed 45
Says you. I've been deleted many times on Craig Murray's blog for daring to talk about religion on a political platform.
Now that we have pRoElLiItGiIcOsN in the news some people are having to look at religion for the first time in their conscious lives.
Unfortunately there's no way of understanding this particular political scenario other than getting messy clothes talking about religion.
I am trying to keep it simple like abc for toddlers. The first bathing to know is that the Jews had a chance to be Christians in 30 AD and the Christians had a chance to be Muslims in 600 AD.
The true cause of this genocide is a combination of these two bad choices by powerful elites, who preferred to ignore the advice of prophets of God that were sent to help them.
There's still time to leave these powerful elites, whose nemesis is now at hand. Warning : it's not easy.
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 18 2024 2:39 utc | 55
David G [email protected] Yemenis have been hitting Occupied Palestine with ballistic missiles for a while, like Richard says, the Yemenis have a score to settle with UKUS, this just gives them the excuse to do it openly.
Drones, air and water, should they be introduced to the Mediterranean Sea.....that's really going to cause issues for all those floating anchors roaming the hood.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 18 2024 2:44 utc | 56
The Saudis and other Muslim countries who have worked with and been guided by USUK for a long time, unfortunately share USUK elites fascist ideologies and are therefore unable to do anything but admire Israel's genocide.
Erdogan did a little unfinished business in Armenia under BoJo's guidance recently . Erdogan bombs his neighbour Kurdistan on a regular basis in order to assert his Ottoman claim to Iraq.
When we hear of Peace talks taking place in Qatar, some are foolish enough to believe that Qatar leases Hamas a small, shabby office as a disinterested party. That is super-naive.
The Gulf States are up to their eyeballs in USUKIS Fascist
Imperialism. Their only thought about Palestine is how wise they themselves were in submitting themselves entirely Western imperialism and how unwise the Palestians have been to stand firm against the same.
Even though it's abundantly clear in the Qur'an that the Palestinians have
secured their place in Heaven for resisting USUKIS imperialism and the Gulf States have secured their place by colluding with USUKIS imperialism, exchanging the rewards of the afterlife for a miserable gain in this temporary world.
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 18 2024 3:36 utc | 57
Israel had Hamas' Oct 7th plan in detail for over a year.
They all concluded that it could not work.
It certainly required Israeli assistance.
Posted by: librul | Mar 18 2024 3:54 utc | 58
Posted by: Conqueror of PLSTN | Mar 18 2024 0:34 utc | 37
"Conqueror of Palestine" is a title reserved for my esteemed ancestors, the Romans who erased the Hebrews from the face of earth and cleansed the sewer of Masada.
Unfortunately, they appear to have failed in erasing the toxic virus of Phariseeism.
Oh well, let the wheel turn once more ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 18 2024 4:44 utc | 60
Reading comprehension problem?
Repeatedly you will read that Israeli higher ups thought Hamas was not interested in a full scale attack.
A sample:
The second is that there was an assessment that they just weren't interested in it - that they're governing in Gaza, that they do not want to invite a war with Israel, and that any kind of mass, sophisticated attack from Gaza would invite a military response from Israel like we're seeing right now. There was an assessment that Hamas was not interested in that. So there was just a fundamental failure of analysis about just the threat that Hamas posed.
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/02/1210076717/everybody-got-it-wrong-how-did-israel-fail-to-detect-hamas-planned-invasion
(this article was naively written before the NYT revealed Israel had had the Hamas plan a year before)
It is bullshit. They knew. Israel had Hamas' detailed plan for Oct 7th for a full year. The plan itself told just how Hamas would attempt to lull Israel into complacency.
Reading comprehension problem or something else?
Something else.
Posted by: librul | Mar 18 2024 4:45 utc | 61
Posted by: Rain | Mar 18 2024 0:54 utc | 40:
Thanks for the thoughtful post.
I agree with your assessment of deaths and injuries.
TERRIFYING news right now: Israel is bombing and shelling Al Shifa again.
All those 74,000 injured: they are already in pain, they won't make it without hospitals. The worst part is all these videos of people screaming in pain and knowing that tens of thousands have died the slowest and most painful deaths.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 17 2024 22:43 utc | 32:
Yes of course American taxpayer money has been funnelled to Israeltbrough American companies which profit. But I fail to see how a
Arab companies would profit in any way without the money laundering racket.
@Sovietico: thank you
Breaking | Israeli occupation forces calling on loudspeakers for displaced Palestinians seeking refuge inside al-Shifa Hospital compounds to evacuate.
Breaking | Al Jazeera report of Israeli tanks advancing towards Al-Shifa Hospital covered by heavy airstrikes.
Breaking | Tens of Palestinian families are evacuating from the vicinity of Al-Shifa Hospital amid an incursion of Israeli tanks and artillery shelling of the area.
Breaking | Al Araby reporter in northern Gaza confirms casualties and injuries following Israeli tanks targeting Al-Shifa Hospital.
Al Shifts hospital ablaze
https://t.me/QudsNen/98945
I can't believe it. I thought I was looking at Telegram posts from months ago but it is today.
Posted by: Pq | Mar 18 2024 6:11 utc | 62
Counted dead: 31,645
Missing under rubble: at least 8,000
Injured who came to hospital: 73,676
In total,at least 113,321 or 5.2% of the population.
Not including: people with diseases, thousands kidnapped by Israel as bargaining chips, malnourished, injured who can't get to hospital, etc. And those who died with nobody to register their death.
I can't believe that every massacre whether of aid seekers or at hospitals etc. is justified with "KHAMAS be there".
Yesterday Al Jazeera reported that a dozen aid trucks entered without anyone being massacred. I couldn't believe it.
Israel took a day off to plan the ghoulish action of today.
ICJ still in a coma over South Africa's March 6 request for Israel to STOP. STOP MILITARY OPS.
Not "please prevent deaths under art 2 of Genocide Convention".
Posted by: Pq | Mar 18 2024 6:30 utc | 63
Hamas already defeated the IDF months ago.
They are now fighting the American Empire.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 18 2024 6:44 utc | 64
PQ - the 16.Feb ICJ statement regarding provisional measures being ignored ( ie: stop killing people ) should be more than enough for the international community to implement the full panoply of sanctions.
The ICJ has done its job.
Time for sanctions to be applied. Either collectively via a UNGA resolution or individual governments.
Posted by: Exile | Mar 18 2024 6:49 utc | 65
I could be wrong but today's attack on Al Shifa (the fourth) could be yet another pathetic Israeli revenge action for Al Qassam having tracked and followed and then killed Yitzhar Hoffmsn, the commander who led the November Al Sfiga Attack.
This is the video of the attack given to Al Jazeera Arabic.
https://t.me/FotrosResistance/5944
— Translation (1/2)
A unit of the occupation forces is holed up in Gaza City. The images obtained exclusively by Al Jazeera allow the location of the concentration to be determined. The field command center was established in a sports club, about one kilometer away from Al-Shifa Hospital, and located within the Jawazat area, which witnessed fierce clashes between the Israeli army and the Resistance factions for weeks.
This is Yitzhar Hoffman, a platoon leader in the Shaldag Special Unit. He was responsible for drawing up a plan to besiege Al-Shifa Hospital and then storm it last November.
According to photos obtained by Al Jazeera, which are being shown for the first time, the Al-Qassam Brigades monitored Hoffman's movements after storming the hospital.
At the end of last January, the Al-Qassam Brigades waited for the Israeli army to announce the killing of Hoffman so that they publish pictures of the operation and identify the targeted person.
The Al-Aqsa flood was not the first confrontation in which the Qassam Brigades used sniper weapons.
The developed Al-Ghoul rifle that mimics the specifications of the Austrian-made Steyr rifle, caliber 12.7 mm, has the capabilities and features of an assault rifle with an adjustable system, to transform from an assault rifle into a sniper rifle.
The Al-Qassam Brigades were able to manufacture it locally and it bore the name of one of the most prominent symbols of military manufacturing in Al-Qassam: the martyr Adnan Al-Ghoul.
With the rifle, Al-Qassam produced the appropriate ammunition to enhance the rifle’s effectiveness and feasibility.
— Translation (2/2)
The ammunition was manufactured with three specifications:
1- Training that enable the preparation of fighters within the special units.
2-Ammunition designed to target flammable materials.
3-Used to deal with the armor and fortifications used by the Israeli army.
The impact of the locally manufactured weapons is show on battlefields, in a way that the bullet penetrates the helmet worn by the soldiers and explodes after penetration.
The bullet can also penetrate the protective vest, which is supported by a metal plate that shatters when hit to cause damage to the upper area of the body.
It can also penetrate and disrupt devices and systems used by the occupying army.
To put the weapon into use, the Al-Qassam Brigades trained special units of fighters within its combat formations, as the photos obtained by Al Jazeera show.
Training takes place after selecting fighters who have qualities that enable them to withstand long periods of waiting to capture a potential target, the ability to work under extreme pressure in difficult field conditions, the flexibility of concealment, determining the importance of the target and making the decision of execution.
The Qassam had previously used sniper weapons in field combat in battles before 2007, when it seized medium-caliber rifles like the Russian Dragunov and Brezhnev models and the Belgian FN FAL rifle. But it suffered from limited availability, scarcity of ammunition and its high cost.
Then, heavy snipers including the Austrian Steyr and the Chinese M99, were brought into the Gaza Strip through supply lines. And documented operations were carried out using them.
The Ghoul rifle is the latest weapon in the resistance’s arsenal, which according to Al Jazeera’s information, recorded a verified hitting distance of 1800 meters in Al-Aqsa Flood Operation.
ps: sorry for three messages in a row but I can't believe they're back to destroying hospitals.
As far as I know Dr. Abu Salmiya (Director of Al Shifa) is still held in Israeli torture cell having had both his arms broken through torture. Right now there are many people holed up in Al Shifts expecting to die.
Posted by: Pq | Mar 18 2024 6:51 utc | 66
Posted by: Ed | Mar 18 2024 1:40 utc | 45
Why should you bear no onus for proving the non-existence of God?
You have no coherent view of the source or the function of consciousness.
Similarly you have no certain and complete understanding of the genesis and evolved function of life on earth, nor the state and application of consciousness existential within it. You rely upon faith that science will one day comprehensively understand and describe this currently enigmatic entirety in typically reductionist terms and relationships.
Your assertion of no God is an article of faith, not reason.
Posted by: greg | Mar 18 2024 7:19 utc | 67
Arya - آریا 🇮🇷
@AryJeay
The IOF, overnight, launched an attack at Al-Shifa Hospital because it claims that senior Hamas officials were in the area, just like the lie they were propagating when they said Hamas had military headquarters in Shifa hospital.
https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1769597050822312128
Posted by: Menz | Mar 18 2024 7:28 utc | 68
Arya - آریا 🇮🇷
@AryJeay
BREAKING: The IOF admits a “suspicious aerial target” (missile/drone) impacted an area north of Eilat, coming from the Red Sea (likely from Yemen).
The IOF claims no damage was caused.
https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1769518841430790553
Arya - آریا 🇮🇷
@AryJeay
🚨| 🇮🇶 JUST IN: Islamic Resistance in Iraq announces:
At dawn today, the targeting of an air base for IOF army drones in the occupied Golan Heights, with a kamikaze drone.
Iraqi resistance states it will continue and double its operations during the holy month of Ramadan.
https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1769494874615636148
Posted by: Menz | Mar 18 2024 7:30 utc | 69
AJ+
@ajplus
Satellite images show that Israel has built a 6.5-kilometer road in Gaza, named after a dismantled Israeli settlement, dividing the strip's north and south.
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1769519838589034536
Posted by: Menz | Mar 18 2024 7:32 utc | 70
UK refuses to say if Israeli bomber planes are using its Cyprus base
After anonymous British officials reveal Israeli F-35s bombing Gaza have had access to Britain’s sprawling air base on nearby Cyprus, the UK military refuses to deny the visits, raising further suspicions about complicity in war crimes.
https://www.declassifieduk.org/uk-refuses-to-say-if-israeli-bomber-planes-are-using-its-cyprus-base/
Posted by: Menz | Mar 18 2024 7:37 utc | 71
S.L. Kanthan
@Kanthan2030
Mar 16 • 7 tweets • 4 min read •
Read on X
History of Terrorism
Here’s young Netanyahu with Yitzhak Shamir, who was not only the PM of Israel but also the head of a Zionist terrorist group known as Lehi or “Stern Gang.”
In 1948, Shamir assassinated the UN diplomat Count Bernadotte, who was sent to Palestine to mediate between Jews and Arabs.Image
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Oh, the Stern Gang also tried to assassinate US President Truman using a letter‐bomb in 1947! 🔥
Israel, the greatest ally!
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Yitzhak Shamir later worked for the Mossad for 17 years, and worked AGAINST independence of numerous countries in Africa!
Israel’s view in South Africa was that whites should treat blacks the same way as Zionists treat Palestinians.
Not surprisingly, the SA apartheid regime was Israel’s #1 customer of military weapons!Image
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Israel also tested biological weapons on Palestinians at home and Africans in South Africa.
Mossad would send doctors to South Africa, pretending to do humanitarian/charity work.
swprs.org/mossad-whistle…
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Mossad Whistleblower Victor Ostrovsky on Israeli Black Operations
Published: October 2023 In his 1994 book, The Other Side of Deception, former Mossad case officer and whistleblower Victor Ostrovsky revealed Israeli intelligence deceptions and black operations. ∗…
https://swprs.org/mossad-whistleblower-victor-ostrovsky-1994/#bioweapons
The Zionist terrorists — Irgun and Stern Gang — even tried to
🔹Assassinate British foreign minister, and
🔹Bomb the House of Commons in London! https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20060724.shtml
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1768967980166390097.html
Posted by: Menz | Mar 18 2024 7:43 utc | 72
Khalissee
@Kahlissee
WATCH: Israeli hostage released from Gaza, talks about how the Israeli military shot at the tractor taking the hostages to Gaza, killing her mother and injuring her and her daughter and brother.
https://twitter.com/Kahlissee/status/1769491517121442250
Posted by: Menz | Mar 18 2024 7:54 utc | 73
Arya - آریا 🇮🇷
@AryJeay
⚡️MUST WATCH: Video published by Al-Qassam Brigades (Hamas) showing the tracking of the officer in the elite Shaldag unit, Yitzhar Hoffman, before he was killed by a sniper.
It is noteworthy that the officer is responsible for the siege and storming of Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza.
https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1769460647597682874
Posted by: Menz | Mar 18 2024 8:00 utc | 74
Translation:
A unit of the occupation forces is holed up in Gaza City. The images obtained exclusively by Al Jazeera allow the location of the concentration to be determined. The field command center was established in a sports club, about one kilometer away from Al-Shifa Hospital, and located within the Jawazat area, which witnessed fierce clashes between the Israeli army and the Resistance factions for weeks.
This is Yitzhar Hoffman, a platoon leader in the Shaldag Special Unit. He was responsible for drawing up a plan to besiege Al-Shifa Hospital and then storm it last November.
According to photos obtained by Al Jazeera, which are being shown for the first time, the Al-Qassam Brigades monitored Hoffman's movements after storming the hospital.
At the end of last January, the Al-Qassam Brigades waited for the Israeli army to announce the killing of Hoffman so that they publish pictures of the operation and identify the targeted person.
The Al-Aqsa flood was not the first confrontation in which the Qassam Brigades used sniper weapons.
The developed Al-Ghoul rifle that mimics the specifications of the Austrian-made Steyr rifle, caliber 12.7 mm, has the capabilities and features of an assault rifle with an adjustable system, to transform from an assault rifle into a sniper rifle.
The Al-Qassam Brigades were able to manufacture it locally and it bore the name of one of the most prominent symbols of military manufacturing in Al-Qassam: the martyr Adnan Al-Ghoul.
With the rifle, Al-Qassam produced the appropriate ammunition to enhance the rifle’s effectiveness and feasibility.
The ammunition was manufactured with three specifications:
1- Training that enable the preparation of fighters within the special units.
2-Ammunition designed to target flammable materials.
3-Used to deal with the armor and fortifications used by the Israeli army.
The impact of the locally manufactured weapons is show on battlefields, in a way that the bullet penetrates the helmet worn by the soldiers and explodes after penetration.
The bullet can also penetrate the protective vest, which is supported by a metal plate that shatters when hit to cause damage to the upper area of the body.
It can also penetrate and disrupt devices and systems used by the occupying army.
To put the weapon into use, the Al-Qassam Brigades trained special units of fighters within its combat formations, as the photos obtained by Al Jazeera show.
Training takes place after selecting fighters who have qualities that enable them to withstand long periods of waiting to capture a potential target, the ability to work under extreme pressure in difficult field conditions, the flexibility of concealment, determining the importance of the target and making the decision of execution.
The Qassam had previously used sniper weapons in field combat in battles before 2007, when it seized medium-caliber rifles like the Russian Dragunov and Brezhnev models and the Belgian FN FAL rifle. But it suffered from limited availability, scarcity of ammunition and its high cost.
Then, heavy snipers including the Austrian Steyr and the Chinese M99, were brought into the Gaza Strip through supply lines. And documented operations were carried out using them.
The Ghoul rifle is the latest weapon in the resistance’s arsenal, which according to Al Jazeera’s information, recorded a verified hitting distance of 1800 meters in Al-Aqsa Flood Operation.
Posted by: Menz | Mar 18 2024 8:02 utc | 75
Some excerpts from a Guardian article on the latest Israeli bombing of al Shifa hospital in Gaza City today (ongoing):
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Israeli forces have taken control of al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City, following a major overnight raid on the medical complex.
Daniel Hagari, an Israeli military spokesperson, said early on Monday that troops were “conducting a high-precision operation in limited areas of Shifa hospital based on … intelligence information indicating the use of the hospital by senior Hamas terrorists to command attacks”.
Hours later, the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) said it had taken over the sprawling complex, claiming that its forces had killed or wounded an undisclosed number of Hamas militants, while also detaining 80 people. A spokesperson also called on civilians around Shifa to leave the vicinity, telling them to head south immediately to the area of al-Muwasi, 30kms away.
Gaza’s health ministry said the raid had caused a fire at the entrance of the complex, causing cases of suffocation among displaced women and children in the hospital.
It said communication had been cut off, with people trapped inside the surgery and emergency units of one of the buildings.
“There are casualties, including deaths and injuries, and it’s impossible to rescue anyone due to the intensity of the fire and targeting of anyone approaching the windows,” the ministry said, accusing Israeli forces of “another crime against health institutions”.
Neither the IDF claims nor those of the Gaza health ministry officials could be independently verified. [...]
Hagari said there was no need for patients or medical staff to evacuate Shifa but “there will be a passageway for civilians to exit the hospital”.
Israeli troops had come under fire as they encircled the complex, he said.
“The troops responded with live fire and hits were identified. Our troops are continuing to operate in the area of the hospital,” Hagari said.
The ongoing fighting and the devastation in northern Gaza has forced hundreds of Palestinians to seek shelter at Shifa, living in makeshift tents in its grounds.
Reports on social media reports described scenes of panic at the hospital and unverified footage showed people attempting to flee along a street in the dark.
Witnesses in Gaza City told AFP the al-Rimal neighbourhood, where al-Shifa is located, had been hit by airstrikes. They also said tanks had surrounded the complex. [...]
Aid agencies have been working to restore services at Shifa for several weeks, but have found it difficult to reach northern Gaza to bring in equipment and supplies. [...]
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Posted by: teri | Mar 18 2024 8:20 utc | 76
Re: Sniping Video
The takeaway from this and dozens of other similar videos is how utterly oblivious the IDF infantry is. They are utterly unprepared. Their training and leadership must be piss poor. Blame the Likud for sending these IDF conscripts and weekend warriors into battle. No wonder the IDF is so demoralized and engages in Blind Rage atrocities.
Blind Rage atrocities are the hallmark of a defeated military.
Posted by: Exile | Mar 18 2024 8:20 utc | 77
Just in the past couple of minutes, since I posted the above @ 73, Al Jazeera is reporting that the Israelis have dropped leaflets telling the people in and around al Shifa to evacuate to al-Mawasi. That’s the western part of Khan Younis, and basically just a sand bar with no water or facilities of any kind, located 30 km away from al-Shifa hospital.
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In the last 45 minutes, leaflets dropped by the Israeli military told people inside al-Shifa Hospital, its vicinity and the entire residential blocks surrounding the medical complex to evacuate immediately to al-Mawasi evacuation zone. That’s the western part of Khan Younis.
Earlier, an Israeli military spokesman said no evacuation was needed but now this evacuation order shows a sharp contrast, the vagueness, as well as the misleading narrative.
People are caught up between whether to leave and trust the statement or stay where they are. We are talking about thousands of Palestinians who have been sheltering inside the complex since the start of the war.
In early December, the Israeli military made a list of allegations and stormed al-Shifa Hospital, destroyed the vast majority of its property and severely damaged major buildings and medical equipment inside the hospital. About 250 people were arrested from inside the hospital.
Today, the raid started early morning after a group of special forces entered the hospital disguised in civilian clothes. After that, military vehicles, tanks surveillance drones and military helicopters surrounded the complex and started shooting.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/3/18/israels-war-on-gaza-live-ceasefire-push-as-rafah-invasion-looms
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Posted by: teri | Mar 18 2024 8:32 utc | 78
As Palestinians were preparing to have their pre-fast meal before dawn, Israeli forces raided Gaza City’s al-Shifa hospital under the cover of heavy aerial bombardment. Tanks surrounded the medical compound before shelling some of its buildings, including the surgery department, killing and wounding several people, according to initial reports. The entrance of the hospital caught on fire due to the heavy Israeli shelling, the Palestinian health ministry said. The ministry added that patients and families sheltering in the hospital were now besieged. Medical teams were also reportedly unable to reach people shot and wounded in the complex due to the danger posed by the heavy Israeli fire. The Israeli military said the operation in al-Shifa was launched based on information that Hamas officials were in the area without providing evidence. Middle East Eye could not independently verify the claim.
Posted by: Menz | Mar 18 2024 9:56 utc | 79
@Ornot | 18
"failure to care for Syrians displaced by the west onto Turkish soil"
THe sheer ignorance and stupidity of this statement!
Turkey was a clear leader in the attempted overthrow of Assad and the invasion and plundering of Syria and STILL occupies vast area of fertile land stealing cereal, olive oil and cotton by the tonne!
Erdogan never had any intention of looking after anyone but Syrian Muslim Brotherhood members and affiliates irreepsective of how much money he was given - it was all an attempt to pocket bucket loads of cash but Merkel added serious financial audit clauses to the agreement and it meant that Turkey had to ACCOUNT for the money - hence it not even bothering to cliam half the funds even, for two years and hence its utter disinterest in using the Kizilay Card scheme to get cash to Syrian refugees!
Turkey and its Syrian Muslim Brotherhood and affiliated groups run UNHCR in Turkey - most ALL other international charities were banned - and ran it like a mafia trafficking and organ harvesting scam! If you don't know the basics of this history you should think twice before speaking on it!
Posted by: mareskin | Mar 18 2024 10:08 utc | 80
'Then Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the iniquities of the people of Israel, and all their transgressions, all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and sending it away into the wilderness by means of someone designated for the task. The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to a barren region; and the goat shall be set free in the wilderness.'
— Leviticus 16:21–22
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat
Posted by: phenon | Mar 17 2024 19:04 utc | 17
Thanks for that , never knew the literary Genesis (although it appears in Leviticus) of 'scapegoat'!
@Ornot | 18
Very comical summing up of Middle East politics!
Qatar and Turkey are Muslim Brotherhood, their funds their arms are in the hands of Hamas - but covertly because heaven forbid that Turkey lose any trade with Israel because that would lead to a serious problem of support for Erdogan in Turkey and he relies very heavily on the support of big business! Its so comical that Turkish companies are going to great lengths to 'hide' their shipments by contracting shippling to neutral countries etc!
Not even going to bother with your remaing Kurd and Armenia comment,
Posted by: mareskin | Mar 18 2024 10:30 utc | 82
IDF airbase in Golan attacked with Drones from Iraq
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2067155
Posted by: Exile | Mar 18 2024 12:18 utc | 83
Posted by: Exile | Mar 18 2024 6:49 utc | 62
I agree that the previous ICJ provisional measures should be enough but they are clearly not. In law there is a huge difference between between saying "Israel must stop military ops" which was South Africa's first request which was denied
And
"Please prevent deaths under article 2 of the Genocide Convention".
The ICJ has done the absolute minimum instead of the maximum it could have done. The proof is in Israel's 15 March submission to South Africa's 6 March request.
For instance, it could have ordered Israel to stay 1 km radius away from all hospitals and aid trucks unconditionally.
Israel finds all sorts of legal arguments to explain why the flour massacre is not their fault and so on. This submission on 15 March came when Israel for 2 whole weeks had been firing at aid seekers DAILY.
Pleased read this to understand how the weak ICJ order gave Israel loopholes.
https://www.icj-cij.org/case/192
Doc 15 March
On March 6 South Africa asked for ICJ to order:
"All participants in the conflict must ensure that all fighting and hostilities come to an immediate halt, and that all hostages and detainees are released immediately."
We know that the ICJ is capable of saying "HALT" because they told Russia to halt. In 20 days. Out of concern for Ukrainian deaths.
Clearly Palestinian lives don't matter to 8 or 9/15 judges.
What is your explanation of why the ICJ is unable to produce a clear Stop order?
You have so much hope for the ICJ for the upcoming cases. If they can't even produce one clear stop statement, why do you think they will come through on the upcoming cases?
Israel justifies every massacre by saying Hamas was there and they have the media clout to get away with it.
The Western countries are firmly behind Israeli rights to "self defense" but not Palestinian rights to the same. The ICJ could read the riot act to Israel if it wanted.
If it stays "stop", even one airstrike is a violation. If it says, "please prevent deaths"... Israel can say we're so sorry about the 80 people killed when we bombed a hospital but there were 50 Hama's in there and now everyone is under the rubble but take our word for it.
Posted by: Pq | Mar 18 2024 12:44 utc | 84
Marwan Barghouti, the popular Palestinian leader in prison has been assaulted twice on March 6 and 12 by Israel leaving him with bleeding eyes.
Israel has gone completely psycho and the West cheers it on.
At Al Shifa hospital they have destroyed all the broadcasting equipment of all TV crews who were using it as a base. They beat up Al Jazeera journalist Ismail Al Ghoul really badly. They have taken away the entire Al Jazeera crew.
Last night, Al Ghoul had posted to X: "We have surpassed the stage of war. We have lived through genocide, endured slow death, suffered from starvation, warfare, destruction of social fabric, intimidation and killing. And today we live Ramadan far from the embrace of family."
And now this man is in god knows what physical condition and probably denied food and medical treatment.
They have assassinated the head of Gaza's internal security Fayeq Al Mabhouh near Al Shifa but claim he was in Al Shifa. He was coordinating aid distribution with UNRWA and other tribal leaders.
From last night when they started the Al Shifa attack, they had a coordinated media campaign to claim that Hamas was firing at them from inside it and so on.
They just lie, lie and lie some more.
Posted by: pq | Mar 18 2024 13:48 utc | 85
"Liz Truss says: "What I found out when I got into Number Ten ... was that I was not holding the levers [of power]. The levers were [being] held by the Bank of England and the [City of London controlled] Office of Budget Responsibility, and not by the prime-minister or the chancellor [head of the Treasury] ... What I am saying ... is that if the Bank of England governor cannot be sacked and the prime-minister can be sacked, then the Bank of England governor is going to have more power than the prime-minister. And that is a problem in a [so-called] democracy"."
Posted by: todd | Mar 18 2024 13:06 utc | 86
Yes, people are starting to wake up to the distressing fact that the West has been run by the City since Nathan Rothschild 'broke the gilt market' just after the Battle of Waterloo in June 1815.
Israel is through this litany of inhuman crimes ensuring a terrible war in the future. It will not come when they think it will nor will it play out how they expect. While they will receive justified retribution for their callous barbarism, it is all of humanity that will suffer. A curse on the name of Israel and all others who would murder children to steal the land they inhabit.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 18 2024 14:10 utc | 87
Turkey and its Syrian Muslim Brotherhood and affiliated groups run UNHCR in Turkey - most ALL other international charities were banned - and ran it like a mafia trafficking and organ harvesting scam!
Posted by: mareskin | Mar 18 2024 10:08 utc | 80
Do you have any sources for your claims? What do you mean it was run “like” a mafia trafficking and organ harvesting scam? It seems like you are saying a bunch of Erdogan / MB goons run it and threw in the trafficking and organ harvesting for attention.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Mar 18 2024 14:48 utc | 88
Battlehymn
Our leaders pledged allegiance to the land across the sea
making sure that they have everything thanks to you and me
They don’t have to pay for university… it’s free
and the gifts keep rolling on
They own our politicians, the banks and media too
there’s nothing we can say or Hazbara’s on you
you cannot run for office lest you represent the jews
so this shit keep rolling on
gory gory halejudah
gory gory halejudah
gory gory halejudah
this shit keeps rolling on
They can sink our ships and shoot our sailors as they swim
We pretend it didn’t happen cuz we know that it was them
but there’s nuthin we can do cuz they own us through and through
so the shit keeps goin down
They danced upon their van when the buildings were destroyed
they just happened to be filming when the filthy bombs deployed
But we’re completely owned by these psycho-paranoids
so the shit keeps goin down
gory gory halejudah
gory gory halejudah
gory gory halejudah
this shit keeps going on
We know they kill their neighbours and lockem up inside
of an open-air gulag committing genocide
anyone who mentions it… professional suicide
so the whole world looks away
They can murder babies they’ve a right to self-defence
one just threw a stone better reenforce the fence
It’s time to mow the grass cuz Uncle Stupid needs the gas
and the Butcher wants the land
the path to Hell is paved by Judah
the path to Hell is paved by Judah
the path to Hell is paved by Judah
now we are Palestine
Posted by: ld | Mar 18 2024 14:58 utc | 89
https://aje.io/ckq1oq?update=2781151
Dahlan and US plan vs KSA/Egypt
Posted by: Minaa | Mar 18 2024 15:19 utc | 90
The IDF is bulldozing the courtyard of al Shifa hospital.
6 hours ago, they told the people in or near al Shifa to evacuate and head south. But 3 hours ago, it was reported from inside the hospital that the IDF is shooting anyone moving in the courtyards or near the windows of the hospital. There were 30,000 people in the hospital; doctors, patients, and people seeking refuge. An unknown number have been killed. And unknown number have been "arrested".
IDF also stormed the American School near the hospital and arrested all the displaced men there, telling the women to flee elsewhere.
Philippe Lazzarini, the head of the UN Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA), was scheduled to visit Gaza today, but has been denied entry into Gaza by Israeli authorities.
I would ask if Biden gives a shit about any of this, but everyone knows the answer to that question.
Posted by: teri | Mar 18 2024 15:45 utc | 91
'Then Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the iniquities of the people of Israel, and all their transgressions, all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and sending it away into the wilderness by means of someone designated for the task. The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to a barren region; and the goat shall be set free in the wilderness.'
— Leviticus 16:21–22
Posted by: phenon | Mar 17 2024 19:04 utc | 19
Scapegoat by chat GPT
In ancient rite, Aaron shall confess,
All sins and iniquities, no less.
Upon the live goat, hands he'll lay,
Transgressions and sins to cast away.
Into the wilderness, the goat shall stray,
Bearing burdens of guilt, a price to pay.
Designated soul guides its lonely flight,
Free in the barren land, from sin's blight.
Particularly important Alastair Crooke this morning at Judging Freedom
Posted by: Pundita | Mar 18 2024 15:57 utc | 93
todd | Mar 18 2024 13:06 utc | 86
Just wanted to congratulate you for graduating from your semi-incomprehensible speaking in tongues to a fairly astute use of the language, replete with punctuation.
Or are you a different todd?
Posted by: john | Mar 18 2024 16:13 utc | 94
canuck | Mar 18 2024 10:14 utc | 81
***... never knew the literary Genesis (although it appears in Leviticus) of 'scapegoat'!***
Typical of that lot to *always* blame someone or something else for their own misdeeds.
Posted by: Cynic | Mar 18 2024 16:14 utc | 95
Israel filing to ICJ made public today:
Israel says, on humanitarian responsibility:
"(Israel has) real concern for the humanitarian situation and innocent lives, as demonstrated by the actions it has and is taking."
Israel says, on court order to fulfill its responsibilities:
"Much like South Aftica's application that instituted the present proceedings, they are wholly unfounded in fact and law, morally repugnant, and represent an abuse both of the Genocide
Convention and of the Court itself"
IDF is particularly unhinged today at al-Shifa. UN officials are also being refused entry into Gaza.
Pressure seems to suddenly be acute.
Posted by: jayc | Mar 18 2024 16:52 utc | 96
I strongly suspect the US and other powers that be already had in mind the Gaza atrocity when they blew up Nordstream. I very much doubt if they would have blown it up if they did not plan on a substitute for the lost energy: the gas and oil offshore from Gaza. And they would in addition profit from that substitute.
If I am right, I think that explains why Western leaders have meekly accepted Israeli atrocities.
Posted by: Lysias | Mar 18 2024 16:56 utc | 97
PQ - the 16.Feb ICJ statement regarding provisional measures being ignored ( ie: stop killing people ) should be more than enough for the international community to implement the full panoply of sanctions.
The ICJ has done its job.
Time for sanctions to be applied. Either collectively via a UNGA resolution or individual governments.
Posted by: Exile | Mar 18 2024 6:49 utc | 65
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Exactly what I keep thinking (and wrote, too, but was ridiculed by one of the official ridiculers).
The ICJ does not have an enforcement mechanism.
But states can surely use the ICJ ruling as a basis to take punitive action(s) that are legal under international law.
In fact, Yemen's actions would seem to be legal under international law. Trying to stop the genocide and the Is military incursions.
Posted by: Jane | Mar 18 2024 17:21 utc | 98
todd | Mar 18 2024 13:06 utc | 86
Just wanted to congratulate you for graduating from your semi-incomprehensible speaking in tongues to a fairly astute use of the language, replete with punctuation.
Or are you a different todd?
Posted by: john | Mar 18 2024 16:13 utc | 96
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"todd" can be coherent when he chooses.
I have pointed this out more than once.
Posted by: Jane | Mar 18 2024 17:25 utc | 99
Lysias | Mar 18 2024 16:56 utc | 99
*** If I am right, I think that explains why Western leaders have meekly accepted Israeli atrocities.***
It certainly would partly explain, an added incentive -- but suspect that even without the gas and oil most (or all) of them would still be fine with the Israelis doing massacres ... as was the case so often previously, though on a smaller scale.
Just morally vacuumed bought or brainwashed jobsworths and cultists.
Posted by: Cynic | Mar 18 2024 17:32 utc | 100
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Does anyone have any estimates about when Palestinians are going to die from starvation? I know some children have starved to death recently, but I haven't seen any forecasts for the population in general.
They can't have much time left. Some aid is getting in, but it is extremely limited, so what sort of time frame does that give them?
Follow up, any guesses on the how the west will respond to thousands of starvation deaths every week?
Posted by: team10tim | Mar 17 2024 14:48 utc | 1