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March 15, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-079
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I went to my local protest today in front of the county courthouse and can duly report that while the Ukraine contingent had half the block on one side there were only about half dozen there with blaring music.
The other half block on both side was filled with Occupied Palestine protestors and one lone dude standing in the back of his tuck waving an Israel flag with a hand Remember 10/7/23 sign.
The point made on this thread is that Ukraine is old news and not getting protestor support while the genocide occurring in Occupied Palestine has the attention of the youth and a few old codgers like myself. I am not delusional to think that protesting will change the tide of our civilization war but it is a measure of citizen attention to what is going on, it can help build community and I think that is a good thing.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 16 2024 20:24 utc | 101
RLTW,
What are odds that a significant percentage of enlisted refuse to follow illegal orders ?
Posted by: Exile | Mar 16 2024 20:27 utc | 102
Posted by: Zargo | Mar 16 2024 17:18 utc | 83
Thank you for sharing the newest AIPAC talking point. I would say it contradicts the “Gaza is definitely not starving” taking point, but consistency is certainly not necessary for Zionists. Probably only for human animals, come to think of it.
Posted by: Em | Mar 16 2024 20:31 utc | 103
Sln
Dahlan is worse than the PLO. What the Isr papers you quote reflect is Qatar-newsfeed (vs KSA/Egypt)
Posted by: Minaa | Mar 16 2024 21:06 utc | 104
psychohistorian@102….the kids today use phones for comms. One of the reasons, it’s said, for USA going after TikTok is the heavy use on that platform by users getting the Palestine message out. Big Brother has zero control what the masses can access on that platform. Hence the ban.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 16 2024 21:22 utc | 106
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 16 2024 20:24 utc | 102
Good for you PH. We can only do what we can do.
Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 16 2024 21:29 utc | 107
Some Americans know that their ruling class despise them and consider them Palestinians, others in other provinces of this deadly Empire (the latest version of the empire of the Romans) know that our masters consider us Palestinians.
The only ones who don’t know are the Russians even though it is Anthony himself who sends weapons to kill Palestinians and to kill Russians.
The blindness of the Russian ruling class is spectacular.
It seems to me that my contempt for the bosses in Washington, New York, London, Brussels, Paris, Berlin … Moscow and Kiev cannot grow any more.
Posted by: Simon | Mar 16 2024 21:30 utc | 108
Now i understand when Menahem – “no lord but the Lord”- beheaded (ca. 66) the high priest.
Now i realize that -“no lord but the Lord”- it sounds like Islam, and there is nothing strange about it because the Judaism of “the people of the land” was neither the Sadducean priestly Judaism nor the later medieval rabbinical Judaism, but something very similar to the first Islam.
Posted by: Simon | Mar 16 2024 21:44 utc | 109
How nice it would be if there was Democracy in America.
Democracy was already little as we can see in how they took the noble and gullible American common people to the first and second world war.
But since the assassination of JFK and since 1967 the process of destruction of democracy is accelerating.
If i had to choose a date for the death of democracy in America i would choose 1997 although certainly 1963 and 1967 are also key dates.
Posted by: Simon | Mar 16 2024 21:55 utc | 112
RLTW,
You‘ve been fully red pilled for sure. What about active duty military ? Are Enlisted and Non-Coms also starting to become resistant to illegal orders etc ?
Did Aaron Bushall resonant among military ?
Posted by: Exile | Mar 16 2024 5:40 utc | 57
Aaron resonated with me. Made me vomit over my own war crimes. Brave young man. Allahu Akbar.
As to your other question. Men in my line of work do not talk. Over many Team Room doors you will find a sign written in Ancient Greek that translates “Out This Door Nothing.” It is a mantra dating back to and begun by the Spartan warriors pertaining to their private meetings. Only between the warriors and only for the ears of the warriors.
My problem began when this mantra conflicted with my Oath of Office and International Law. And war crimes. What the fuck were we being used for? I don’t blame my Brothers for staying silent. Because if you speak out about it you will go to prison, probably along with your wife. God help your children. This has already happened to me. I’m fighting and I think I’m winning. But who knows?
My Brothers see what happened to me and my family and you think they are going to step up and speak out? Hell no! And again I don’t blame them.
What is the military going to do? Will they follow unlawful orders? No. Not the ones who matter. I’d say 95-98% of the US military is composed of make work bullshit jobs staffed by blacks and women. There’s only about 3 or 4% of us who have been actually fighting for the last three decades. There’s Master Chiefs and Sergeant Majors in DEVGRU and CAG who have over 40 combat tours. They are all white men. They are conditionally Trump supporters, and I choose my words carefully, they are “conditionally” Trump supporters. They are the only men in the United States Military that matters.
And no. I do not think they will follow illegal orders.
Posted by: RLTW | Mar 16 2024 21:58 utc | 113
Posted by: Simon | Mar 16 2024 21:55 utc | 113 – If i had to choose a date for the death of democracy in America i would choose 1997 although certainly 1963 and 1967 are also key dates.
Why 1997? Sorry if I missed it in an earlier post. 1963 makes sense to me. If the deep state can murder the president in broad daylight, it’s game over.
Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 16 2024 22:35 utc | 114
Simon 110
La ilaha ill(a)Allah, the witness statement of Islam, means ‘No god but God’. That’s what all the 240,000 prophets of Islam all preached, and all of them were told and believed in the last prophet Muhammad SAW, who is mentioned in the Gospels John 1.21.
International Version
They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 16 2024 22:41 utc | 115
Like being a barrister at Starbucks? Sign up! Haha!
Posted by: RLTW | Mar 16 2024 4:35 utc | 55
Starbucks lawyers are probably pretty well paid.
Re: Lavieja’s comment, she wasn’t attempting to justify anything. She was obliquely pointing out that in the late capitalism US, much of the population is desperate for ANY job, and the military (aka, Corporate/Private Finance’s mafioso enforcer arm) has ALWAYS preyed on such members of the population.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 16 2024 22:42 utc | 116
“68 Canuck. Yes. Thank you for that. My sister-in-law is a plaintiff in one of the legal cases.”
Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 16 2024 21:20 utc | 106
I was pretty sure you or your family was on top of it, but I posted the info in the crazy circumstance you were not.
Good luck in the case.
My deepest condolences on the loss of your brother.
https://fitzinfo.net/2024/03/08/soviets-founded-state-of-israel-and-zionism-balfour-declaration-a-decoy/#post-17648-endnote-5
Is there any truth to this?
Posted by: snake | Mar 16 2024 22:53 utc | 118
Why 1997 ?
“When I tried to explain the Russian point of view, they say – who cares. Then began the downhill slide (to this tragedy)” (William Perry, Secretary of Defense, -1997, last free man in Washington).
William Perry was replaced by William Cohen (1997-)
And it was around that time that the decision was made to destroy Iraq.
By the way Joe Biden was the cook along with Victoria Nuland’s husband and others.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ziocon
Posted by: Simon | Mar 16 2024 23:05 utc | 119
Jane 99. I lived in NYC most of my life — left in 2001. I confess I don’t know anything about Israel Katz in NY. Could you please provide a link or your earlier posts about him? Thanks.
What is the military going to do? Will they follow unlawful orders? No. Not the ones who matter. I’d say 95-98% of the US military is composed of make work bullshit jobs staffed by blacks and women. There’s only about 3 or 4% of us who have been actually fighting for the last three decades. There’s Master Chiefs and Sergeant Majors in DEVGRU and CAG who have over 40 combat tours. They are all white men. They are conditionally Trump supporters, and I choose my words carefully, they are “conditionally” Trump supporters. They are the only men in the United States Military that matters.
And no. I do not think they will follow illegal orders.
Posted by: RLTW | Mar 16 2024 21:58 utc | 114
This is confusing. Or confused. The three or four percent of you who have been actually fighting for the last three decades HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING ILLEGAL ORDERS. There have been no legal wars for US servicemen to fight in for the last three decades.
I’ll also note that if your brothers are too scared to speak up, they’re not likely to risk exactly the same treatment for refusal to obey orders.
As for who in the military counts, I suggest that National Guard troops count the most, where it counts the most- on American streets, putting down protestors. They’ve always been ready to obey those orders in the past, they’re occupying the NY subways and conducting unwarranted searches, they occupied the Capitol for five months in 2021- those lads do what they’re told.
Posted by: Honzo | Mar 17 2024 0:13 utc | 122
Posted by: Honzo | Mar 17 2024 0:13 utc | 123
I’ve never been in the military, but I grew up next to one of the, if not the largest Army bases in the US and have military forebears, but one thing I know about is indoctrination. Someone who’s actually been in the forces could probably correct me, but I think one of the major aspects of basic (or just officer?) training and then continuing training is doctrine. Indoctrination. And it works. When I try to tell some of them the truth about Iraq or Yugoslavia it breaks their brains and they get extremely mad, some of them. Worse when you talk about the actual history of WWII and Pearl Harbor, the dropping of nukes, etc.
This applies to those with whom I work on a daily basis too. They’re so fuckin’ immersed in the doctrine and supporting propaganda and so drunk on the “Kool Aid” that it transcends even the polarized fake two-party political agendas and they’re subject to setting sights on a “new” enemy on a dime. All of them are totally behind the NATO (I mean Ukraine) war against Russia, they all believe every detail about October 7 (and that Palestinian history started on that day), and are gung ho as fuck about “containing China.”
Thing is these are either retired former military or high ranking (as high as rear admiral) current members, so the chances are ZERO they’d ever be called back up to fight (not that most of them ever really did, save a few Desert Storm, Korea and Vietnam vets).
Anyway you’re correct in my experience with them. They all followed every order they were ever given, liked it, and truly believe that today’s forces would do exactly the same. I have no reason to doubt them. The indoctrination continues as it has every single day in the corporate (liberal and conservative) media and of course routine training on doctrine in the active duty. I don’t know how that would shake out in the event of an actual CONUS civil war. No clue.
Those who “wake up” or take the “red pill” generally do so after leaving the rank and file, although there are notable exceptions like Bushell and Tillman, the latter of whom was beginning to actively oppose the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, so he was fragged.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 17 2024 0:32 utc | 123
This is an interesting post regarding tik tok videos. #free palestine and throttling of views. AIPAC is the sponsor of the ban tik tok bill. Surprise surprise. I at first just thought it was usa corporate dominance but after greenblatt and even Nikki Haley saying they worry it creates antisemitism in users. You can see the data presented and make your own mind up.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/25489
Posted by: Hankster | Mar 17 2024 0:42 utc | 124
Tillman, the latter of whom was beginning to actively oppose the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, so he was fragged.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 17 2024 0:32 utc | 124
Tillman didn’t get fragged. The guy was a super human professional athlete. The second half of his platoon came under fire on the backside of a ridge that the forward half of his platoon had already bypassed.
Tillman heard “shots fired” and sprinted up the ridge line to support. His fellow Rangers couldn’t keep up with him. He popped up over the ridge line and his own brother Rangers on the backside saw a man with a rifle and shot him.
Now I don’t like General McChrystal. But what the General was trying to do with his write up was to make this friendly fire incident into a war hero situation. Yes the General lied. But he did it for the sake of Pat and his family. He did it with good intentions.
Posted by: RLTW | Mar 17 2024 2:04 utc | 125
Jane 99. I lived in NYC most of my life — left in 2001. I confess I don’t know anything about Israel Katz in NY. Could you please provide a link or your earlier posts about him? Thanks.
Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 16 2024 23:10 utc | 121
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I am not aware of any connection between Katz and NYC.
Posted by: Jane | Mar 17 2024 2:25 utc | 126
@ snake | Mar 16 2024 22:53 utc | 119
The Soviet Union adopted an anti-Zionist stance for internal purposes that prevailed until the its fall in 1991. This was because Soviet citizens, even though identified as belonging to different nationalities within the Soviet Union, were required to be loyal first of all to the Soviet state, which could not allow dual loyalties, an entirely reasonable measure from the statist position.
But for political reasons, Stalin, allied with the US and UK in the Second World War, from late 1944 started to favor Zionism externally, leading to the Soviet Union backing the partition of Palestine resolution in 1947, recognizing the State of Israel in 1948, and allowing its subordinate ally Czechoslovakia to supply Israel with weapons in 1948. This was all in a belief that Israel would be a socialist state because of the supposedly socialist orientation of the ruling Israeli Labor Party and because he believed Israel, as the Zionists had been fighting to oust the British, would help to reduce British colonialism in the Middle East. Also, the Arab countries at the time were led mostly by various pro-British monarchs, so he didn’t see the virtue in supporting such regimes, being himself very ideological.
However, when the magnitude of the displacement of the Palestinians and the opposition of Arab nationalism to Israel sank in, the Soviets began to change sides. This appears to have happened entirely after Stalin’s death, starting right away after that in 1953. It would be interesting to see exactly how this occurred. Certainly the Egyptian “Revolution” of 1952 that overthrew the British-sponsored monarchy there opened more of an opportunity for Soviet influence, as that new regime was clearly nationalist as well as inclined to socialism, and the Soviet Union was trying to break out of the Cold War siege by the capitalist West by cultivating relationships with newly-independent “Third World” countries. Meanwhile, Israel was clearly a colonial project.
The article you shared presents a ridiculously lopsided view of this whole affair. Certainly, the central role in passing the partition resolution and strong-arming weak client states to vote for it was by the US, not the USSR. This is amply documented in the case of US satellites such as Haiti and Liberia. It is true that Stalin’s support for that resolution was unfortunate, and his opposition would have blocked it in the UN, but it is beyond ridiculous to attribute the main thrust of the move to the Soviet bloc rather than to the West. The US was not coerced by Zionist Jews to support the partition; the US leadership did that on their own. That they were not yet so beholden to the Zionists is shown by the way Eisenhower treated the Israelis in 1956-1957, forcing them to withdraw from Sinai and the Gaza Strip. The US did not yet conceive of how intractable the problem would become. They thought that support for Israel would not cost them anything, and indeed that worked for several decades, but now it time to pay the piper.
Posted by: Cabe | Mar 17 2024 2:59 utc | 127
My take on the military is that the officer corps has things set up to their convenience, and while they seem to be dedicated, for the great majority their dedication causes them little in the way of inconvenience. Petty corruptions are common and they go along with orders because it is expedient. As they age they become just another kind of government bureaucrat, and carry the sins that are ordinary to that group.
Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 17 2024 3:07 utc | 128
Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 17 2024 3:59 utc | 131
I was referring to
Yes. I saw the headline while standing in the checkout line and thought, “Wow, Schumer is doing Jewish damage control. He must be scared.” I hope the guy is shitting his pants….
Posted by: Jane | Mar 16 2024 0:50 utc | 43
and “son of D’Amato” refers to Sen. Alfonse D’Amato (ret’d) of Lawn Guyland
Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 17 2024 4:36 utc | 131
Posted by: Cabe | Mar 17 2024 2:59 utc | 128
” Stalin, allied with the US and UK in the Second World War, from late 1944 started to favor Zionism externally, leading to or political reasons, the Soviet Union backing the partition of Palestine resolution in 1947, recognizing the State of Israel in 1948, and allowing its subordinate ally Czechoslovakia to supply Israel with weapons in 1948.” is true?
so your take the statement from the link at 119 which states “Stalin then organized the Eastern European Communist states to vote for the creation of Israel as the decisive bloc that provided the two-thirds majority needed for victory in the UN vote of November 29, 1947,” admitted Israel’s Ynet News in its 2015 article The Soviet Union’s forgotten role in the creation of Israel.[3] <=is true sort of?
can you elaborate as to the political reasons ?
Also your statement " Certainly, the central role in passing the partition resolution and strong-arming weak client states to vote for it was by the US, not the USSR. "<= just look at the client states that voted for Israel? Something is incomplete 33 to 13 vote for the formation of Israel from mostly Russian oriented states, it seems? Thanks for your explanation but i am not sure I understand yet.
https://fitzinfo.net/2024/03/08/soviets-founded-state-of-israel-and-zionism-balfour-declaration-a-decoy/#post-17648-endnote-5
Posted by: snake | Mar 17 2024 4:59 utc | 132
Re: U.S. Military Refusniks:
It’s the enlisted war fighters who matter, not the officers and especially not the REMFs.
Posted by: Exile | Mar 17 2024 5:26 utc | 133
fyi
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/13/721806/countries-supplying-weapons-israel-complicit-gaza-genocide-starvation-un-envoy
Countries arming Israel complicit in Gaza genocide, starvation: UN rapporteur
Israel is intentionally starving people in the Gaza Strip, which has resulted in full-scale famine in the besieged territory, says the UN special rapporteur on the right to food, adding that countries supplying weapons to Israel are complicit in genocide and starvation.
In an interview with the Press TV website on Tuesday, Professor Michael Fakhri said not only did the Israeli regime “announce a siege in the early days of the war, they are denying and restricting humanitarian relief.”
Fakhri, a Lebanese-Canadian law professor at the University of Oregon’s School of Law who has been mandated by the UN Human Rights Council to document and advise on global food security, expressed grave concern over the rapidly worsening humanitarian situation in the coastal Palestinian territory.
Nearly 31,200 Palestinians have been killed and over 72,000 others have been injured in the Israeli genocidal attacks on Gaza since October 7. The majority of the victims are children and women……..
…..According to reports by UN agencies and human rights bodies, the entire 2.3 million population of Gaza is grappling with extreme levels of hunger and the risk of full-scale famine also looms.
Last week, a team of UN experts, including Fakhri, announced in a report that Israel has been “intentionally starving” Gaza and that “widespread famine” in the territory was “imminent.”
“Israel must end its campaign of starvation and targeting of civilians,” the report stated, referring to various instances when starving Palestinians were targeted by the regime forces…..
Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 17 2024 5:27 utc | 134
The bar flys here live in such an information bubble they are unaware of the ongoing civil war among Palestinian clans and Hamas.
Posted by: Zargo | Mar 16 2024 17:18 utc | 83
Old news, zargo. The bar is years ahead of you.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 17 2024 7:45 utc | 135
Made me vomit over my own war crimes…
My Brothers see what happened to me and my family and you think they are going to step up and speak out? Hell no! And again I don’t blame them.
I’d say 95-98% of the US military is composed of make work bullshit jobs staffed by blacks and women. There’s only about 3 or 4% of us who have been actually fighting for the last three decades.
And no. I do not think they will follow illegal orders.
Posted by: RLTW | Mar 16 2024 21:58 utc | 114
1. If 98% of the military is composed of make work bullshit jobs by people unqualified to fight, is this not very good news for the rest of the world? It seems like the remaining 2% have done enough war crimes all by themselves.
2. Thank you for speaking out but I find it strange you don’t blame the others for not doing so. If everyone spoke out, they could hardly fire the 2% of the military that does fight and commit war crimes. No national government has attacked the territory of the USA for a very long time so there’s no need for the USA military to be operating anywhere outside the USA. Almost all UK soldiers who died fighting did so abroad. The same for the US. That tells you all you need to know.
I understand you feel tortured by your war crimes. There’s a reason that so many veterans resort to drugs or commit suicide. I think speaking out is the best and most courageous solution to unburden oneself.
3. As Honzo pointed out, pretty much every invasion by the US has been illegal. People who join the military do so because they are order followers. Order deniers rarely join hierarchical organizations.
4. I see the US military as the obedient armed thugs and bouncers for a very corrupt criminal gang which has all kinds of illicit business operations. This is a talk by Col. Lawrence Wilkerson and he talks at length about how Colin Powell was deliberately lied to by neocons to justify the second invasion of Iraq.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw0T4clo2Ys
They basically used testimony obtained through torture to tell Powell that Saddam was buddies with AQ which apparently encouraged the dumb and Islamophobic American public to support the illegal invasion. Soon afterwards, the order came to “burn” the testimony as it was unreliable.
5. I genuinely sympathize with people who join the military as an alternative to being homeless and hungry. There is something very wrong in the entire system from top to bottom. It comes from the “superiority ideology”.
That same poor person who joins the military may have done their best to avoid joining a criminal neighburhood gang. It’s the cultural ideology that says it’s ok to be a legal armed criminal abroad. Americans (and Europeans, Canadians, Australians etc.) spend all their/our time preaching to others instead of cleaning our own houses first.
Posted by: pq | Mar 17 2024 8:53 utc | 136
Moon of Alabama is going to lose Canuck.
Canada is moving to pass Bill C-63, also known as the Online Harms Act.You can get life in prison cleaning fish if you post anything deemed not PC or status quo.
Posted by: librul | Mar 15 2024 16:56 utc | 7
He’s fine, everything he posts is gold standard, fixed exchange rate nonsense. Total status quo. He’ll be wrapped in cotton wool like that nutter in Argentina. The one party nation state love people like Canuck and his money scarcity trickle down tripe.
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 17 2024 9:05 utc | 137
The mythical meme that “Israel” has the “most powerful military in the Middle East” is a convenient half-truth. While there’s little doubt that the “Israeli” Air Force is the most powerful in the Middle East there no doubt whatsoever that the “Israeli” Army is the most cowardly and incompetent in the World.
Bibi’s racist supremacist scheme to bully 1 million Palestinians out of once-safe Rafah into some “Humanitarian Islands” (whatever that means) several km North of Rafah, is pure unadulterated and self-indulgent and pointless harrassment.
And all with the daydreamish goal of getting the “Israeli Army” to “eliminate Hamas.” This op will be 98% Israeli Air Force and 2% Israeli Army. If it happens at all.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 17 2024 9:18 utc | 138
Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 16 2024 9:05 utc | 63
There’s also this talk by Paul Ahmed Keeler on this channel if you have not heard it. He talks about how his was the last generation to be brought up as the faithful officers of the British Empire. Then at some point he began to see through the lies. It’s about how Zionism indoctrinated the West.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2tKwj4GNYI
That’s a positive talk. Now for the bad news. When I saw this statement on the Fateh website, I was convinced that it had been hacked by Hasbara. It’s that bad. It’s not for me to start insulting people but without a doubt the new Palestinian PM is some World Bank stooge.
I seriously don’t understand what is going on with the PA, Fateh and PLO but they put out this statement accusing Hamas of creating a catastophe worse than the Nakba. It’s like they were drunk or high or something. They accuse Hamas of a “black coup against Palestinian national legitimacy in 2007”.
“Fatah asked: Does Hamas want us to appoint a prime minister from Iran or for Tehran to appoint him for us?”
Fatah called on the leadership of the Hamas movement to stop its policy of being dependent on foreign agendas, and to return to the national side in order to stop the war and save our people and our cause from liquidation, and in order to provide relief to our people and rebuild Gaza, leading to complete withdrawal from the land of the State of Palestine, with Jerusalem as its capital.
This is coming from guy under whom settlements have MUSHROOMED over the last decades. The statement also says something about some Hamas leader families living abroad (understandable because Israel would assassinate the family of a known leader) which is odd considering that Abbas’ own son is Canadian.
The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, the armed wing of Fateh, slammed the statment as being from a small group of paid people.
Ordinary Palestinians are furious on twitter and elsewhere although the cultivated Palestinian intellectual class based in the Collective Waste is as usual pretty silent, preferring instead to keep whingeing about arab regimes.
https://fatehmedia.ps/page-112239.html
ps: apart from the starving people of Gaza getting shot daily at aid trucks, the 9,000 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails are also being starved. https://qudsnen.co/?p=44526
That’s when they’re not tortured and denied medical treatment.
Although apparently there was outrage in Israel because Marwan Barghouti was being given the same food as Jewish prisoners. Marwan Barghouti is also Fateh and apparently very popular but I’m guessing he’s not on board with the Fateh statement. The horror of giving Israelis and Palestinians the same food. Apartheid means different food for different folks!!!!
“Israeli media report of an Israeli prison court severely reprimanded and sentenced an Israeli jailer to three days in jail for providing Palestinian prisoner, Marwan Barghouti with the same food as Jewish prisoners.”
https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1769000385803378705
Posted by: pq | Mar 17 2024 9:24 utc | 139
Jail ? Canuck will be considered a national hero like this chump on Sky TV.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Eq0_elDHXA&pp=ygUQU2t5IFRWIGFyZ2VudGluYQ%3D%3D
A puppet and a useful idiot. The reporting by sky is quite remarkable. Never has so much bull shit been squeezed into an edit.
Government is like a household ✓
A budget surplus is a good thing ✓
Privatise everything that isn’t nailed down from which to extract rent ✓
There’s no keystrokes ( money ) left ✓
Austerity is excellent ✓
The propaganda is neoliberalism on steroids. The money scarcity guys talking points since Thatcher and Regan. Oh and he is clearly a globalist and fully supports the US rules based order.
Canuck and the money scarcity crowd are much closer to the global elite than anybody else on moon of Alabama. Who want Wall street to decide how skills and real resources are allocated and not elected government.
So he’ll be fine, in fact they will probably give him a medal
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 17 2024 9:28 utc | 140
I almost forgot
Borrowing in $’s in Argentina is a fantastic thing ✓
Interest rate targeting the one rate to rule them all to fight inflation ✓
Completes the Thatcher and Regan neoliberal globalist full house.
How fooking dumb are right wing voters. Fuck me they are thick. Just wait until these absolute nutters get their hands on the state power that they crave. Tell you what their version of liberty is. Like that fanatic in Argentina is doing right now.
As if it hasn’t all been tried before in the UK, US, Eurozone, Canada and created the mess we are living in now in our own communities. It was never a silver bullet but garlic around everybody’s necks.
Using crayons below to show Argentina’s future
Here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0&pp=ygUmZGF2aWQgaGFydmV5IG5lb2xpYmVyYWxpc20gYW5uaW1hdGlvbiA%3D
We all know what happens when the money scarcity crowd ends up in charge. They serve the interests of the upper class and ruling elites.
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 17 2024 9:48 utc | 141
“Bezalel Smotrich, Israel’s far-right finance minister, told Israeli Army Radio that “the cost of Gaza rehabilitation is not my problem”.
He made the remark when asked if there were any promises from Arab nations to finance the rebuilding of the war-torn Palestinian enclave, the report said.”
If there’s one thing that could cause real pain to Israel, it is hitting it in the pocketbook. Pretty much the only place they feel pain.
Israel has to pay for EVERYTHING it broke, going back 75 years at least. They can use that 86 billion they got from Germany and redirect future payments directly to Palestine.
In the meantime while Gaza is being rebuilt, UN 194 must be implemented so Palestinians can go back to their old homes in historic Palestine. No need to go to Egypt or anywhere else.
This should be what everyone demands.
Posted by: Pq | Mar 17 2024 10:23 utc | 142
When we read a newspaper, switch on our TV’s, surf the net and listen to our radios. What we are all witnessing is a crises on the right.
There is a HUGE battle going within the right. The different factions within the right are knocking lumps out of each other as they fight over the soul of conservatism and who wins will decide what Conservatism looks like in the future.
We all have a front row seat watching this right wing crises unfold. Never before has it been so public.
They know the bullshit they packaged up and marketed 5O years ago has failed. Their ideology has reached its ceiling and they have quite simply ran out of ideas.
They are now trying to put a set of disco lights on old ideas like trickle down and mercalist money scarcity. All that matters now is are the voters dumb enough to fall for it yet again under the guise of right wing populism. This new marketing package ?
Of course they are. The one party nation state always wins. A set of disco lights is all it takes and A name change of the brand. The dumb will stand in line for hours to vote for it.
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 17 2024 10:27 utc | 143
“Tillman, the latter of whom was beginning to actively oppose the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, so he was fragged.”
“Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 17 2024 0:32 utc | 124
Tillman didn’t get fragged. The guy was a super human professional athlete. The second half of his platoon came under fire on the backside of a ridge that the forward half of his platoon had already bypassed.
Tillman heard “shots fired” and sprinted up the ridge line to support. His fellow Rangers couldn’t keep up with him. He popped up over the ridge line and his own brother Rangers on the backside saw a man with a rifle and shot him.
Now I don’t like General McChrystal. But what the General was trying to do with his write up was to make this friendly fire incident into a war hero situation. Yes the General lied. But he did it for the sake of Pat and his family. He did it with good intentions.
Posted by: RLTW | Mar 17 2024 2:04 utc | 126”
Yes, RTLW you are correct, Tom has been misled.
“Canuck and the money scarcity crowd are much closer to the global elite than anybody else on moon of Alabama. Who want Wall street to decide how skills and real resources are allocated and not elected government.”
Posted by: Echo Chamberpot | Mar 17 2024 9:28 utc | 141
Well, gold made all time highs last week in dollars-how do you explain that? You would have lost my proposed bet but you cowardly skulked your way out of that one; you are frightened to put your money where your voluminous mouth is.
Yes, lets let all governments make all the decisions for us Peasants-they did a magnificent job guarding us during Covid and today they are so moral they are stopping the innocent Palestinians deaths in Gaza by genocidal Israel so let’s give them more power!
Are you daft?
RLTW @ 126, Canuck @ 145:
I have heard rumour that the friendly fire incident in which Pat Tillman was killed may have been set up. Tillman was apparently shot three times in the forehead at close to point-blank range.
Carlton Meyer, “Football Star Murdered in Afghanistan” (Tales of the American Empire)
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 17 2024 11:04 utc | 146
RLTW @ 126, Canuck @ 145:
I have heard rumour that the friendly fire incident in which Pat Tillman was killed may have been set up. Tillman was apparently shot three times in the forehead at close to point-blank range.
Carlton Meyer, “Football Star Murdered in Afghanistan” (Tales of the American Empire)
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 17 2024 11:04 utc | 147
I have no idea what actually happened; I assume that RLTW, whom was in SF, would have had access to what actually happened to Tillman through his military connections.
UN experts demand oil firms to halt supplies to ‘Israel’ amid genocide
……The UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, Michael Fakhri, cited on X on March 16 research from Oil Change International (OCI), which revealed that three companies were supplying oil to the Israeli occupation forces through the United States, Brazil, Russia, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan.…..
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/un-experts-demand-oil-firms-to-halt-supplies-to–israel–ami
Posted by: Exile | Mar 17 2024 12:13 utc | 148
Pat Tillman got the same treatment as Lee Harvey Oswald and Bin Laden,
trial by death.
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“But what was Tillman guilty of?”, you ask.
Speaking his Truth.
Posted by: librul | Mar 17 2024 13:15 utc | 149
Germany panicked over ICJ hearing in a couple weeks:
Scholtz meets with Netanyahu today, Sunday. The to Jordan to meet with King for humanitarian aid corridor push.
Germany needs to be able to go to hearing armed with counter evidence of genocide participation, and most likely let Israel know that their material support with weapons, maintenance and other contracts they no doubt have with Israel, will have to be suspended/cease or at the very least go through a “cover” nation, as spotlight on them.
On another note, Larry Johnson suggested that the hostage exchange maybe a back door start for permanent ceasefire as a go around Netanyahu.
Al Manar reports that Gallant (not Gantz) held war cabinet emergency meeting w/o “approval”. Some other work around Gantz/Netanyahu seems to be in play.
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2066825
All in all, the pressure for a ceasefire from now Western nations, let alone the whole global south, is becoming increasingly evident, and the continued rantings by Netanyahu of turning Rafah into a pile of dead civilians, isn’t going well for Israel allies image.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 17 2024 13:49 utc | 150
I assume that RLTW, whom was in SF, would have had access to what actually happened to Tillman through his military connections.
@Posted by: canuck | Mar 17 2024 11:20 utc | 148
That is an interesting assumption, Canuck.
Would be cool, though.
Perhaps RLTW can tell us what the Special Forces skuttlebutt is regarding the
“raid that killed Bin Laden”.
For example, immediately after the killing was anounced, and for days afterward,
people were excited in anticipation of viewing the helmet camera videos taken during “the killing of Bin Laden”. Wow!
Then it was announced that the camera videos, “had never existed”.
They “never existed”.
I recall perusing a military chat site and one user called bullshit on that
news that the helmet camera videos “never existed”. Another user told the first
that he had better keep his mouth shut.
But there is more for RLTW to critique and reveal the Special Forces skuttlebutt.
After the Navy Seal raid at Abbottabad, Pakistan:
The body of so-called “Bin Laden” was immediately thrown overboard mafia-style to the bottom of the ocean.
Before we got to even see it.
Photos taken by the Navy Seals of the body were ordered destroyed or turned over to the CIA, out of reach of FOIA requests.
The helmet cameras worn by the Navy Seals were at first heralded! Hurrah !!, everyone said. But then we were told, “they never existed”.
The witnesses, the Seals, were ordered silent forever. No witnesses. Forever.
The DNA was handled by the CIA itself.
At the same time the CIA is claiming, “We got Bin Laden”, they are eliminating all evidence.
Who trusts the CIA?
The public didn’t notice the lack of evidence? – No! The destruction of evidence? No!
They had their eyes fixed on celebration and a media blitz.
The evidence said cover up. The evidence said something else was actually taking place.
It was a year and a half before the book “No Easy Day” was published by one of the Seals.
The Seal that got the best look at the body, took pictures of the body, collected bodily fluid samples and compared the body
to pictures he had brought on the raid, said in his book that he had refused to identify the body as Bin Laden.
That Seal said on 60 Minutes that when he got back to base one CIA agent –! one !– came in and told him and General McRaven,
“you got him, it was Bin Laden”.
The CIA – one agent, One. The CIA told the Seals and General McRaven it was bin Laden.
And that one agent was the pebble that began an avalanche of media blitz.
Three years after the book release, another Seal broke ranks and came out into the lime light.
His version and the first Seal’s version do not match up. But the second Seal explained it away as, “fog of war”.
The second Seal, who credited himself with shooting “Bin Laden”, said he did seven things in less than one second.
That is the total time he had to look at “bin Laden”.
Less than one second and doing multiple things. And while wearing night vision goggles.
For this he set in motion another wave of media blitz.
He said, while wearing night vision goggles, that he:
1) jumped into the doorway.
2) id’ed the figure as bin Laden
3) made sure he wasn’t going to shoot any women or children
4) raised his weapon because the figure was taller than he expected
5) noticed a weapon on a nearby shelf
6) saw that the figure appeared to be reaching for the weapon
7) put several shots into the skull of the figure
He said that all took place in less than one second and then he continued into the room and the next in his sweep.
Never stopped to look at “the mess” (his words) he had made.
There is no evidence, but there are two witnesses. One which refused to id the body as bin Laden
and the other that had less than a second to make his id while wearing night vision goggles
and dealing with the fog of war.
Witnesses ordered to be silent forever. Pictures destroyed. Helmet cameras “never existed”.
Body immediately thrown overboard to the bottom of the ocean mafia-style. The CIA handled the DNA.
The CIA told us all what to believe, as they were destroying all evidence.
Their claim was then echoed and multiplied a million times in the news media.
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post script
Did a quick review of Pat Tillman articles and found this paragraph:
WASHINGTON (CNN) — A new Army report on the death of former NFL player Pat Tillman in Afghanistan last year concluded that his uniform and body armor were burned a day after he was killed — and before investigators had determined he was shot by his fellow soldiers.
A different article had this:
Army attorneys sent congratulatory e-mails to each other for keeping criminal investigators at bay
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post post script
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The Israeli invasion of Lebanon (2006) was a rough carbon-copy
of September 11th. A faked security lapse that soon permitted an invasion.
Fortunately for all sides that invasion of Lebanon failed.
It proved the delusion of military superiority.
Fortunate, as the plan had been to then use the pretext of UN resolution 1680 (c/o John Bolton)
passed just weeks before the ‘security lapse’ and
immediately pivot from Lebanon to attack Syria and Iran (with US and British
assistance of course).
Posted by: librul | Mar 17 2024 13:51 utc | 151
@ RLTW
“the minimum measured IQ to even be considered as an SF Candidate was 115. Average IQ of American blacks is 80.”
Since nearly all Africans in the New World are people with white as well as black ancestry, which bit of them has the low IQ?
Posted by: Squeeth | Mar 17 2024 14:13 utc | 152
In Gaza today we have an attempt to gloss over an open genocide
Posted by: phenon | Mar 17 2024 14:15 utc | 153
Schumer’s anti-Netanyahu speech stuns Israel
https://www.axios.com/2024/03/14/schumer-israel-netanyahu-speech-reaction
Posted by: librul | Mar 17 2024 14:20 utc | 154
PQ
Not every veteran committed war crimes.
I was in the US Navy in the eastern Mediterranean during the Yom Kippur War and
committed no war crimes.
Every combat engagement doesn’t necessarily have a My Lai massacre.
So please don’t paint all of us vets with that war crimes brush.
Posted by: Morongobill | Mar 17 2024 14:48 utc | 155
“You women, blacks and trannies think war is a day job”
I would add older and disabled. And yes, prisoners.
Any resource is of value in the hands of the competent and used right. Here maybe dug in or freeing other resources. MPs, whatever.
It’s a war. It’s handled badly. Politicized of course. What matters is can it shoot, droids and humans.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Mar 17 2024 15:16 utc | 156
Pat Tillman’s father’s letter to Brigadier General Gary Jones…..
https://theindependentlifeboat.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/pattillmansrletters.pdf
Posted by: Carl | Mar 17 2024 15:29 utc | 157
The horrors of Gaza are erasing any sympathy for the outdated holocaust
Posted by: Virgile | Mar 17 2024 17:21 utc | 158
Tillman WAS fragged.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/truth-about-tillman-murde_b_58952
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 17 2024 20:13 utc | 159
Posted by: canuck | Mar 17 2024 11:20 utc | 148
If you have “no idea” what actually happened it’s only because – per usual – you have your blindfold on and your fingers in your ears.
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/government-corruption/16-anniversary-pat-tillman-death-government-lied-to-you
If you choose to believe US government lies, that’s on you, not me.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 17 2024 20:15 utc | 160
Posted by: Squeeth | Mar 17 2024 14:13 utc | 153
In addition, I find it impossible to believe that US Special Forces requires a MINIMUM IQ. I would bet that RLTW misremembers and that 115 is the MAXIMUM allowed IQ, similar to how US police forces are recruited. Want a job as a cop? Better be sure to miss a few easy questions on any IQ test they give you.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 17 2024 20:24 utc | 161