Palestine Open Thread 2024-079
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Posted by b on March 15, 2024 at 15:50 UTC | Permalink
next page »Irish people know genocide when they see one:
……Irish artists, such as Soda Blonde and Mick Flannery, have withdrawn their acts from South by Southwest (SXSW) to protest the US army being a sponsor of the festival in Austin, Texas, citing US support for "Israel’s" genocide in Gaza, the Press Association (PA) reported.
An Enterprise Ireland-led delegation is still partaking while Irish Culture Minister Catherine Martin stated she will still attend despite the boycott calls……
Posted by: Exile | Mar 15 2024 15:54 utc | 2
Per Intel Slava Z & press tv, Yemen successfully tested a hypersonic missile & plans to manufacture them in Yemen.
They will be used to extend the range of attacks on Israel-supporting ships traveling around the cape of S Africa & to target sites within Israel.
Posted by: Mary | Mar 15 2024 16:08 utc | 3
no news on the radio for ages does that mean the slaughter is over?
is it still 30 odd thousand strange it seems to stop around the mid 30s
i would imagine with all the kosher big bomba the real figures would be more than 160 thousand at this point in the talmudick blood ritual baal molech spectacular spectacular
oded yinon new khazaria are big ideas the kaballa slaughter must go on or the crops may fail and israel may never be mighty
Posted by: todd | Mar 15 2024 16:31 utc | 4
The muslim aggressors will be crushed and thrown out of Jewish Lands…after they begin committing terrorist attacks against their new host nations the naive idiots of the West will finally understand the need to eradicate islamic terrorists wherever they may be.
Onward to Total Victory!!!
Posted by: Hebrew Warrior | Mar 15 2024 16:37 utc | 5
Two big points:
First, the Tik-Tok ban passed by Congress is fundamentally because of Gaza, not China. Thus, it is a further attempt by the captive US Congress to shut down free speech. See https://news.antiwar.com/2024/03/15/washingtons-renewed-urgency-for-tiktok-ban-is-due-to-war-on-gaza/ .
Second, Schumer's abandonment of Netanyahu indicates tremendous disarray in the Zionist camp and a panicky fear that Israel's murderous push is too much for the world and even for the normally sessile American public. See https://news.antiwar.com/2024/03/14/sen-schumer-says-netanyahu-is-obstacle-to-peace-calls-for-israeli-elections/ . This is a very big straw in the wind, that Schumer should feel moved to interfere in Israeli politics. The impudence!
Posted by: Cabe | Mar 15 2024 16:43 utc | 6
Oh, Canada!
Moon of Alabama is going to lose Canuck.
Canada is moving to pass Bill C-63, also known as the Online Harms Act.
You can get life in prison cleaning fish if you post anything deemed not PC or status quo.
Posted by: librul | Mar 15 2024 16:56 utc | 7
4 you have not included thousands buried under bombed buildings...nor the many that will die from starvation...increasing disease
effects of no sanitation freshwater... ...nor the many seriously maimed..the many who could die from lack of treatments medications that they should normally have ie cancer ...kidney dialysis..lack of dentistry...mental illnesses and lack of support services. future lack of economy..no pensions .living conditions heat cold....
Posted by: Jo | Mar 15 2024 16:56 utc | 8
Cabe 6
How is it possible to be a lifelong supporter of Israel ?
I have been a lifelong supporter of Jesus, son of Mary, whom Israel rejects having been to Sunday School at the age of six.
But how do you acquire lifelong love for genocidal apartheid, and then think , I'll dedicate my life to facilitating my bank account supporting this travesty of human existence ?
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 15 2024 17:04 utc | 9
8 Jo Thank you.
Let us shout it to the rooftops - Hamas is only putting numbers onto identified bodies. This is an example of being scrupulous - meticulous honesty. Hamas has scruples.
The concept of synergistic effect is a constant background process occurring in my brain. 2 apples plus 2 oranges can equal, 5 or 6 or 8. The lack of water damages the kidneys which exacerbates the lack of calories which is further compounded by the immune system degradation which is affected by the human waste present. The kidney damage is permanent.
8 Jo Mange tusen takk Many thousand thank you's.
Not much really new out of Al-Manar or Mayadeen ( have not checke this morning) The israeli attack on Baalbek in Bekka Valley up north and east appeared to me to be a real upping of the ante by israel. I just hope we are not seeing the calm before the storm.
Posted by: paxmark1 | Mar 15 2024 17:33 utc | 10
More Victimhood agitprop from Zollywood.
We cannot forget who the "real" victims are in this world.
Just released into your neighborhood:
ONE LIFE tells the incredible true story of Nicholas “Nicky” Winton, a young London broker who helps rescue hundreds of predominantly Jewish children from Czechoslovakia in a race against time before Nazi occupation closes the borders on the verge of World War II. Fifty years later, Nicky (Sir Anthony Hopkins) is haunted by the fate of those he wasn’t able to bring to safety.
Also, remind me, wasn't Putin condemned by the ICJ for doing the same thing?
Posted by: librul | Mar 15 2024 17:49 utc | 11
I was wonder why Hamas seemed so lenient, “working with US”… latest was a straight “hostage” for prisoner exchange. Nothing else really except for “future talks” for permanent ceasefire and gradual release of rest of “hostages”.
But then, even this Netanyahu balked at.
He doesn’t want hostages back… any…
Only war.
https://www.rt.com/news/594321-natanyahu-approves-rafah-operation/
“Israeli PM approves Rafah operation plan
Benjamin Netanyahu said the IDF is prepared to conduct the attack and evacuate the civilian population”
“Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has rejected the latest truce and prisoner-exchange proposal by Hamas and has approved an IDF plan to launch an operation in the southern Gaza city of Rafah, Israeli media reported on Friday.
”The IDF is prepared for the operation and to evacuate the [civilian] population,” the PM’s office said in a statement, as cited by the Times of Israel.
Earlier in the day, Hamas announced on social media that it had presented its “vision” of a prisoner swap with Israel to Qatari and Egyptian mediators and was looking towards a ceasefire agreement which would to involve the withdrawal of Israel Defense Forces from Gaza.”
I realized it doesn’t matter how “accommodating” Hamas is or appears to be, they got Israel’s number and kniws they won’t accept a thing, but at least looks to world, ICJ etc that they are negotiating in good faith.
This all looks like the last 75 years. US/Israel promise “later”…
Time to talk is over… IMO
Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 15 2024 18:01 utc | 12
Going on 6 days since the first flour massacre. Israel saw this as such a success and easy way to sportingly hunt large groups of hungry people they have continued this daily. Every delivery now has had the same fate as it delivers aid. Even the UNRWA depot got its dose after giving its locations to israel. Even easier targeting thanks they said. Parachuted aid is left to fall to the ground from Egyptian jordanian and usa planes to quickly have bombs fall a few minutes later in the drop zone. elicopters used in latest attacks. Makes the mockery of the first excuse of our soldiers felt threatened. Unbridled barbarism, Zero media push back . Where's Mark regev defending Apache helicopters firing on people as he claimed they mobbed soldiers and had to be shot you know , for safety reasons
Posted by: Hankster | Mar 15 2024 18:04 utc | 13
, Canada!
Moon of Alabama is going to lose Canuck.
Canada is moving to pass Bill C-63, also known as the Online Harms Act.
You can get life in prison cleaning fish if you post anything deemed not PC or status quo.
Posted by: librul | Mar 15 2024 16:56 utc | 7
"I'll give you my keybordd when you pry it from my cold, dead hands."
Oh, Canada!
Moon of Alabama is going to lose Canuck.
Canada is moving to pass Bill C-63, also known as the Online Harms Act.
You can get life in prison cleaning fish if you post anything deemed not PC or status quo.
Posted by: librul | Mar 15 2024 16:56 utc | 7
It will get passed but it is possible that the unelected Senate may strike it down. They were going to strike down Trudeau's Emergency Acts two years ago against the Trucker's protest-while the Senate was debating (they were going to vote it down) the issue Socks called off the emergency.
I do believe that if the law is confirmed challenged in court it will be overturned.
Warrior
My family comes from the Czech Republic, where is your family from? From Ukraine or from Poland ? Or you are from New York ?
Zionism is a monstrous ideology because it establishes a brutal distinction between a dominant people and a subjugated population; but what is striking is its mixture of childishness and ignorance.
I know you are not old enough to understand it, but the Lands of La Mancha in Spain is not the land of the readers of Don Quixote de la Mancha.
On the other hand, the Great Temple was built by an Arab king: Heroes the Great. And "Yahweh" is an Arab divinity that came from the South (several archaeological sources and Song of Deborah). And Moses' father-in-law was an Arab priest (Exodus 3,1) that is: the mother of the Hebrews is an Arab woman.
You Zionists are despicable anti-Semites and would like "the land of Canaan" to be an island somewhere between Denmark and Norway.
Posted by: Simon | Mar 15 2024 18:26 utc | 16
RE: “hope we are not seeing the calm before the storm.”
Posted by: paxmark1 | Mar 15 2024 17:33 utc | 10
It is/was the First Friday of Ramadan start of Ramadan Prayer.
I’ve no news of West Bank.
Guessing this is why Al Manar quieter today than yesterday.
Also, I’m certain much is weighing on the shoulders of Hamas & Hezbollah atm.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 15 2024 18:35 utc | 17
Just a reminder that the death toll in Gaza is possibly (likely?) a lot more than 30,000. This 30,000 figure is just going to be repeated and the true death toll suppressed. Check out Nader's piece on Naked Capitalism.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/03/ralph-nader-real-gaza-death-toll-at-least-200000.html
Of course this will be suppressed, and anyone repeating this could easily be accused of anti-semitism.
It looks increasingly likely that Israel will in fact be able to exterminate millions of Palestinians, and at least in the West, make it disappear. Never happened. That's just some alt-right Nazi skinhead talk. You could lose your job or go to jail for saying things like that.
Posted by: TG | Mar 15 2024 18:45 utc | 18
@ Giyane | Mar 15 2024 17:04 utc | 9
I presume you are referring to Schumer, who only now is deviating a little from the main Zionist line of thinking. Or maybe it is just that the main line of Zionist thinking has deviated away from what he thought it should be.
The answer to your question about how anyone can support Zionism and Israel, or could have done so during the last 76 years, or even before, is complex, like most of life. But, without defending Zionism in the least, I think that some explanation of how people can be Zionists still can help us understand the problem.
When Zionism started in the late 19th century, it was considered just fine morally, in general, with the European world, to go out and appropriate the lands of others. It was the same morality that imported African chattel slaves to the Americas: Only Europeans had rights, or at least their rights trumped everybody else's. When the Jews of Eastern Europe were hit by the arrival of nationalism in the late 19th century, they felt they needed some solution to the new nationalist aggressiveness of their neighbors. So they came up with four solutions: First, to rely on God to protect them by continuing their ghetto practices of the past, the solution favored naturally by most rabbis. Second, to trump nationalism with internationalism, usually by becoming socialist or communist, adopting an ideology that would cancel or domesticate nationalism. Third, to flee to a more tolerant environment, such as the US, but also Western Europe, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Argentina, etc. Fourth, to fight fire with fire by creating their own nation-state that would get rid of the "Jewish Problem" by becoming a mere nationality among nationalities, with no more peculiar Jewish characteristics at all. This last solution, by the way, expressed the maximum degree of Jewish self-hate, as it required the abandonment of Judaism in exchange for nationalism as one's main concern, and also adopted the exact anti-Semitic analysis of who the Jews are. This is why it is fair also to consider Zionism to be anti-Semitic.
Anyway, those early Zionists never dreamed that the real problem was going to be the resistance of the native inhabitants of Palestine. They thought they could easily be shoved aside. Pollyannish early Zionists even imagined they could simply be bought out; after all, buying up other people's land to get rid of them was a time-honored part of the settler colonialist repertoire. But Zionism did not succeed easily for two reasons. First, it started too late, because by the time of the First Zionist Congress in 1897, nationalist resistance to colonialism was about to break out everywhere in the European colonial empires. Second, it did not try to colonize the lands of small-scale, non-literate, and sharply divided aboriginal tribes, as was done in the US, Canada, Australia, Argentina, and Uruguay, but instead went for the exceedingly poor but relatively densely-populated, arid land of Palestine with a largely homogenous population that would be able to resist and also had a large population base to increase rapidly.
Of course, that this would be an atrocity and a mess could already be seen by perceptive individuals. But the committed Zionists, because they were nationalists who, like other real nationalists, believed only their own nationality and people counted and even deserved to exist, they pressed on. A large part of their project always was to conceal the truth about it displacing the Palestinians, and the battle over that continues.
The trouble is, Israel has ruined everything for the imperialists as well as the Jews. It was a project that paralleled imperialism, being colonialist, but it was never in the interests either of the UK, which backed it initially, nor of the US, who succeeded to the British empire project. It was sold to the regimes of those states as an asset and an ally, but it never helped or contributed one thing to them; rather, it was an obstacle to their power and so it remains. Indeed, today, it bids to destroy free speech and democracy in the US totally through the medium of the US Congress, which seems almost entirely to consist of traitors to any US interests or nationalism.
So, to support Israel, people have to be persuaded to turn a blind eye to its massive crimes, and this has been done historically mostly through fostering favorable but extremely lying propaganda, and also by appealing to people's ethnic hatred of the other. If you can persuade people to hate enough, they will follow what you want.
Formerly, Israel got support because people did not know the truth about it, and it didn't cost to much, because the interests of the natives could be ignored. Now that is coming to an end, so things just get uglier until something gives.
Posted by: Cabe | Mar 15 2024 18:46 utc | 19
Maybe so. It looks like Netenyahoo's atatement about Raffah is calling out Hezbola
Posted by: c | Mar 15 2024 18:46 utc | 20
Houthis target INDIAN OCEAN:
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/15/721927/Yemen-target-Israel-United-States-ships-Indian-Ocean-Gaza-war
The forces, he said, “carried out three operations against three Israeli and American ships in the Indian Ocean with a number of appropriate naval missiles and drones, and the three operations successfully achieved their goals.”
Bye bye “freedom of navigation”…
Every angry group in has was ever been wronged by West\Israel is target practice for any soul with a drone or man-pad these days.
This is the level of “warfare” that Israel has demonstrated is fair game…
The straight up stabbing of a IDF Mossad after having breakfast at a restaurant.
Asymmetrical indeed. For years & years more while “promises” and “talk” go on.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 15 2024 18:52 utc | 21
RE: Posted by: Hebrew Warrior | Mar 15 2024 16:37 utc | 5
There are no “Jewish Lands”.
This will be confirmed again if necessary.
There is no “Islamist” “terrorist”.
Just terror and “terrorist”, which the works has plenty of, Israel is not so “special” after all.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 15 2024 19:00 utc | 23
Posted by: Cabe | Mar 15 2024 18:46 utc | 19
Giving countries ethnic borders got a start under Napoleon. It got a major boost with the unification of Italy and Germany in the 1860s. During World War I the US and UK used the principle to blow up the Habsburg and Ottoman empires. It was in that climate that Zionism arose and was considered respectable. Of course the rights of the people in the colonies were no point of consideration.
After World War II the principle of ethnic states became radioactive - both the Holocaust and decolonization played a role there. Most Western states have now constitutions that they are the property of their citizens - instead of of some ethnic group.
Israel didn't get the message. It keeps trying to expand at the expense of the Arabs like the US did in the 1800sat the expense of the Indians. The state Israel was established on ethnic cleansing and they never drew the conclusion that times had changed. Yet they had opportunity enough: even Hamas seems ready to recognize Israel, but they will want the recognition of a Palestinian state in return.
Posted by: Wim | Mar 15 2024 19:15 utc | 24
ICJ will hear Nicaraguan case vs. Germany:
“The hearings will be devoted to the request for the indication of provisional measures contained in Nicaragua’s Application,” the ICJ said in a statement.”
Interesting, I did not know Nicaragua filed for “provisional measures “ as well.
This case is huge. It will impact “all support” of nation actors.
Outcome will be interesting.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 15 2024 19:16 utc | 25
Here is how Russia is working against the Palestinian resistance (in particular Hamas)in objective allignement with US/Israel designs:
Just in:
MOSCOW, March 15. /TASS/ Moscow welcomes the formation of a technocratic government in Palestine led by Mohammad Mustafa, the Russian Foreign Ministry said after a phone call between Russian Presidential Envoy for the Middle East and African Countries and Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov and Secretary General of the Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Hussein al-Sheikh.
"The Russian side hailed the decision to form a professional Palestinian government led by the renowned Palestinian economist [Mohammad Mustafa].
It also expressed hope that the new cabinet would efficiently perform its duties in the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip and enjoy the support of the entire Palestinian population," the ministry said.
Also today:
US NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL: Reforming the Palestinian Authority is necessary to create the necessary conditions for stability in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. (PC)
The reaction of the Palestinian resistance groups:
Middle East Eye:
Four Palestinian political parties have written a joint statement condemning the Palestinian Authority's unilateral appointment of a new government.
On Thursday, President Mahmoud Abbas appointed a new prime minister, Mohammed Mustafa, after pressure from Washington to reform the administration.
The joint statement, published on Friday, was signed by Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) and the Palestinian National Initiative.
They said that forming a new government without national consensus was a "reinforcement of the policy of exclusivity and a deepening of division, at a pivotal historical moment, when our people and their national cause are in dire need of consensus and unity".
"These steps indicate the depth of the crisis within the [PA's] leadership, its separation from reality, and the large gap between it and our people... which is confirmed by the opinions of the vast majority of our people who have expressed their loss of confidence."
The statement added that Palestinians needed a "unified national leadership", in preparation of free and fair elections with the participation of "all components of the Palestinian people".
"We also call on all national forces and factions, especially the brothers in the Fatah movement, to take serious and effective action, in order to agree on managing this historical and pivotal stage," it said.
"In a way that serves our national cause, and fulfills the aspirations of our people to seize their legitimate rights, liberate their land and sanctities, and establish their independent, fully sovereign state with Jerusalem as its capital."
Al Jazeera:
Hamas has criticised the appointment of Mohammed Mustafa as the new Palestinian prime minister, calling it a “unilateral” designation by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.
The group, which governs the Gaza Strip, said the decision was taken without consulting it despite recently taking part in a meeting in Moscow also attended by Abbas’s Fatah movement to end long-time divisions between the two Palestinian factions.
“We express our rejection of continuing this approach that has inflicted and continues to inflict harm on our people and our national cause,” Hamas said in a statement.
“Making individual decisions and engaging in superficial and empty steps such as forming a new government without national consensus only reinforces a policy of unilateralism and deepens division.”
It added that at a time of war with Israel, Palestinians needed a unified leadership preparing for free democratic elections involving all components of their society.
Posted by: JB | Mar 15 2024 20:06 utc | 26
Media reporting that Israeli forces are gearing up to begin "evacuating" Palestinians from Rafah, what exactly does this entail I wonder, are over one million Palestinians currently in Rafah to be forced out of it, and if so to where, and we have an inkling what will happen to them if they don't go, surely Israel doesn't think it can get away with such a huge exercise in forced displacement.
I think that those international countries supporting Israel, but resuming aid to Gaza are continuing to turn a blind eye to slaughter of Palestinian civilians, aid might be going in, but without a ceasefire the murdering of women and children continues unabated. Now it looks as though Israel will violently force over one million Palestinians from Gaza, will the international community just standby and watch this unfold, or will they act and stop it.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 15 2024 20:23 utc | 27
RE: Posted by: JB | Mar 15 2024 20:06 utc | 26
West will never support the tech government promoted by Russia. This tech government was envisioned w/o “
“Abbas”. It’s foundational only, upon collapse of both Fattah & Israel (removal & governance by current Netanyahu).
Russia was suggesting they coalesce a technocracy to see their goals met. Israel desperately wants the status quo of divide and conquer & to keep himself (Netanyahu) in power.
The U.S. is fine with the 2 states, provided they wholly control both states. So, a lot going on here.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 15 2024 20:37 utc | 28
RE: Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 15 2024 20:23 utc | 27
All I know is 2 days ago, Kirby (WH) stated they have not seen any plan, or evacuation plan for the “operation” against Gaza to “go forward “.
So, Israel is either lying about their “evacuation plan”, and:
1) they’ll “pretend” they’re evacuated people… film like a 100 they relocate, then just start their bombing campaign or
2) It’s public PR jazz and threats for Hamas consumption, for Hamas to “surrender” and give them all the hostages.
Either way, the war goes on.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 15 2024 20:48 utc | 29
Posted by: Cabe | Mar 15 2024 18:46 utc | 19 and
Posted by: Wim | Mar 15 2024 19:15 utc | 24
nailed it, but not mentioned is that Zionism itself was supported by the oil and gas interest what was happening is Germany was buddy buddy with the Ottoman building RRs in exchange for oil and gas rights..and the west was really upset the likes of Std oil N.J. and what is now BP etc. about it..hence IMO, the real reason for the Balfour Agreement.
Shark oil and slavery were going out, Lincoln had been shot to satisfy the bankers, and the petroleum oil and products were coming in.. This is the reason I think that the big companies in the USA, Britain and France financed the German war industry (both sides in WWI..).
Posted by: snake | Mar 15 2024 20:50 utc | 30
Here is how Russia is working against the Palestinian resistance (in particular Hamas)in objective allignement with US/Israel designs:
Posted by: JB | Mar 15 2024 20:06 utc | 26
I have been saying for a while that Russia has been trying to undermine the Palestinian cause while pretending to be supportive of it. Putin and Lavrov are 100% in the pockets of the Russian Jewish lobby as evidenced by their statements since late December.
Then there was the disgusting presentation by Russia at the ICJ which was 100% aligned with European countries in advocating for "negotiations" rather than applying international law.
There is Putin's 20 year history of Islamophobia not to mention Russia was part of the quartet for 20 years.
I am worried that the Russian judge is against Palestine at the ICJ which makes it 9 for Zionism and 6 against.
I had hoped I was terribly wrong. Your comment suggests my instincts were correct based on the various data points.
Last night 80 were massacred waiting for aid. More bodies were found today. Many bled to death slowly because Israel started firing at rescue workers last night. 150+ injured but hospital is out of supplies to treat.
I've lost all hope in the ICJ. Why are they having the Nicaragua hearing next month? Why not next year? It's not as if there's any urgency.
Still no answer on South Africa's request of March 6 to read the riot act to the psychopaths.
Posted by: Pq | Mar 15 2024 21:02 utc | 31
When the ICJ ruled in 2004 on the wall, NATO's war of terror on West Asia was just starting and NATO / Israel were hopeful of grabbing the resources of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya without problems.
For this reason, the ICJ was much less politicized and turned out a decent ruling. Which in any case was ignored because Russia, US, EU and "UN" (whatever that is) had everything under control, aka had Palestinians under control through the Quartet.
Those adventures failed. Ukraine is failing. For this reason, the pressure on the ICJ to protect Israel and give it legal loopholes is enormous. The UCJ is no longer the institution it was 20 years ago. It is now subsumed under "rules based order".
US, EU, Australia, Japan are only 12% of world population but they have 7/15 ICJ judges. Throw in the bought off Ugandan judge and you see you have 8/15.
This is a brilliant talk by Paul Keeler and he follows up on the point Iade some days ago: that the visceral racist brutality of the Gaza genocide is the outcome of colonial processes.
He speaks of three stages in the colonial narrative:
1. We need to help the savages by civilizing them
2. Take ownership of their stuff and label them terrorists if they resist
3. Most violent: round them up in concentration camps and try and killthem if possible.
E.g. after Custer lost to the Sioux, with major brutality they were put into reservations.
However I think Empire is in for a nasty surprise this time.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tFwgtqkno0E
The essay is available here.
https://jalalayn.substack.com
Posted by: Pq | Mar 15 2024 21:26 utc | 32
A subtitled version of the Yemeni Armed Forces statement today, March 15th, 2024, at the million-man march in Sana'a, announcing the targeting of five American and zionist ships in the Red Sea and Indian Ocean with naval missiles and drones.
https://t.me/BabalMandab/3276
Posted by: MiniMO | Mar 15 2024 21:32 utc | 33
How many thousands of Palestinian civilians are trapped under collapsed homes and apartment buildings in Gaza?
Roughly 75% of all Palestinian civilian home and apartment buildings have been destroyed by illegal IDF airstrikes. Many folks were unable to evacuate these homes, and were trapped in the wreckage.
We witnessed two Catholic church complexes housing refugees also illegally bombed trapping relief workers and civilians in the destroyed structures.
More than likely the death toll of 30K is way too low. Even more evidence of IDF war crimes.
Lets see who wins the Biden v Bibi battle over Rafah..........Biden holds all the cards! Will he throw them down or wimp out?
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Mar 15 2024 21:38 utc | 34
Re true death and death toll vastly underestimated. A few weeks ago suggested that if Gaza's population was 2.5 before the war and the IDV evacuated the Palestinians to the south where there are 1.5 million refugees now in Rafah, that math means a million Palestinians are either dead, wounded or missing. Somebody please explain how this can't be true.
Posted by: Willow | Mar 15 2024 21:49 utc | 35
Posted by: Pq | Mar 15 2024 21:02 utc | 31
I m critical of Russia's position since day one - 7 October- as unprincipled and quasi legalistic, but I see things differently than you.
Russia is acting purely from its own interests stemming in most part from its rivalry with the US. The just and fair resolution of the Palestine issue is not Russia's focus. A resolution which ensures Israel's security is more important. Why that is I do not know.
Russia has advised the Palestinian resistance groups to unite under the Palestinian Authority/PLO, to face Israel united. So its all about Israel being the stronger and uncontested side, despite the fact that it is a colonial creation with undefined borders and an aggressive, terrorist structure that is now committing genocide against the Palestinians.
The Palestinian resistance groups understand that unity is important in existential struggle, but they have a different approach to establishing that unity, which they explained after the meeting in Moscow, that was not as productive as Moscow had hoped.
It is clear to everyone who has been following also the Palestinian political side of these apocalyptic events that the goals of US/Israel and their partners in the joint criminal enterprise is to eliminate Hamas physically, but also politically, not only as the current elected governing authority in Gaza, but as a political actor altogether.
The reason given is that no one will cooperate with the future Palestinian state if Hamas is an actor. That, of course, is untrue.
Russia has advised the Palestinians to form a technocratic government for W Bank and Gaza with no political goals, just practical tasks related to reconstruction and organization of life.
The Palestinian resistance groups, who are fighting the Zionists, said they wanted to form a unity government under a reorganized PA that would do everything necessary including prepare elections. A totally different concept.
Abbas went on to name a new PM, and Russia has hailed the move and the formation of a technocratic government.
It has not advised that Israel form a technocratic government, since the current one is committing genocide, is starving the people in Gaza and has destroyed Gaza, and hence can not be a credible partner in the creation of a future Palestinian state.
While Russia's endorsement of a techoncratic government formed by the discredited PA may not be a surprise, I am shocked that it has done so at this critical moment, dealing a blow to the Palestinian fighters, to the proposals of the Palestinian factions, to the needed Palestinian unity and thus to the Palestinian cause.
Posted by: JB | Mar 15 2024 21:51 utc | 36
"3. Most violent: round them up in concentration camps and try and kill them if possible.
E.g. after Custer lost to the Sioux, with major brutality they were put into reservations."
However I think Empire is in for a nasty surprise this time."
pq
I don't know if you are aware, but probably you are being well read, anyways Custer wasn't a General, he was breveted to General during the civil war on the Union side but after the war he was back to Lieutenant Colonel .
Custer wasn't a bad officer but he was an ambitious one and the ambition blinded his sense.
He was scheming to put his hat in the ring as Zachary Taylor and General Grant had used military victories to become Presidents. So Custer moved to fast got too ahead of Major Reno , didn't do proper reconnaissance cause he wanted the victory in the papers jut ahead of the Democratic convention-as you know the Battle of Bighorn didn't go so well for the US.
So the democratic convention was in June (?) 1876:
"Regarding the matter of George Armstrong Custer's political
interests/intentions, especially the matter of the presidency,
in response to Linda T's insistence [about a year or so back]
that there is "absolutely no proof" that Custer was thinking
about such matters at all during the 1876 Dakotas campaign.
I think it reasonable to suppose he was thinking about such
things, if some basis can be found for his political interests,
especially in view of the following verbatim quote from the
end of the resume of Mari Sandoz' book *The Battle of the
Little Bighorn*:
...So long as men of the time of Custer with the 7th Cavalry
were alive, it was common out on the plains to hear such
conjecturing: Suppose Custer had managed a victory over
a few Sioux June 1876, and got word of it to the Democratic
Convention at St Louis. How would Custer have run against
Hayes for the presidency? Generally the verdict was that
he would have made a better showing than Tilden. Custer was
well aware that the nation gave the presidency to such men
as Washington, Taylor and Grant because they won her wars.
Surely the man who ended the twenty years of Plains wars
with the Indian would be no less rewarded. Besides, in 1876,
aspiring to the presidency was still considered the privilege
of every native male, not only the man with millions or high
political position as well. There was probably never a better
year to stampede a political convention than at St Louis in
1876, and who ever voted against a national hero?"
Cabe 19
Thank you for your full explanation which I have saved, because understanding why things have happened is very much part of any resolution.
Russia's response to the USUKIS post 9/11 moves to soften up West Asia for Greater Israel is to remind USUKIS that they had already agreed on the Sovereignty of Nation States long before WW1 and WW2, and to stop using jihadist proxies to circumvent what they had already agreed about state sovereignty.
Russia isn't undermining the Palestinian cause by including the Palestinians in the concept of a Nation State with its own sovereignty. Russia's case is that Palestine should assert its state sovereignty against USUKIS cancelling its sovereignty by Zionist terrorism , or by Islamist terrorism.
Russia is merely reminding reminding USUKIS what happened in Syria when Rice or Powers got her proxies bulldozing through sovereign frontiers, on the pretext that they were British frontiers and therefore irrelevant.
The fatuity of the Atlantacist mindset has to be re-focussed from time to time on the consequences of breaking international agreements.
Russia will only ever take action on the World stage within existing international , so Russia is first reminding USUKIS how completely Israel has flouted Palestine sovereignty.
This is how Russia has won in Ukraine, first by pointing out USUKIS aggression in arming Ukraine and breaking Minsk Agreements and secondly by reminding USUKIS that Russia has an absolute right as one of the winners against Nazi Germany in WW2 to prevent a ( fake ) resurgence of Nazism EITHER in Ukraine OR now in Israel
All those Brainwashed Atlantic-Fantacists who deny international law just make themselves look as though their heads are up their arses, by denying that it is one of the main purposes of Post War International to prevent Nazi Genocide like in Ukraine and Palestine.
Whether the Atlantic-Fantacists are able to retrieve their heads or not is not Russia's problem. BRICS will find them easier to deal with in their contortionist postures.
Let the dead Bury their dead.
The Atlantacists suffocated 40 years ago from their adoption in 1980 of an Empire2 / US Hegemony / Greater Israel NWO under Thatcher.
How should one proceed? Tentatively to remove the backsides from the brains and nostrils, risking the removal of their heads, or try to remove their heads from their backsides which might
leave their backsides round their necks like collars.
Sorry, there are no metaphors disgusting enough to express the distgustingness of Colonial Politics
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 15 2024 23:20 utc | 39
31 PQ . I had understood the Nicaraguan case to be a flank action against European genocidal states -- Nicaragua in support of the SA case.
32. PQ. "Gaza and the power of Narratives" by Ahmed Paul Keeler on Thinking Muslim podcast explains the last act of the indigenous people refers to an example in US history of Native Americans -- Custer's last stand as one outstanding historical precedent event to the present day of Israel's strategy in Gaza -- this last act of the process of implementing settler colonialism.
Colonizer Israel also following the more recent US history of implementing the 'rules-based order' throughout the world which laid the stage for Israel's last act.
"Everyting I do the monkey wan do", a 1960's song of Blind Blake in 1960's Nassau elicited by everything the foul offspring Israel of the foul progenitor US does.
This is a very big straw in the wind, that Schumer should feel moved to interfere in Israeli politics. The impudence!
Posted by: Cabe | Mar 15 2024 16:43 utc | 6
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Yes. I saw the headline while standing in the checkout line and thought, "Wow, Schumer is doing Jewish damage control. He must be scared." I hope the guy is shitting his pants.
Of course US Jews like Schumer---none of the US Zionists or Neocons---can do anything about Netanyahu or Israeli politics.
It is funny; they want to control Israeli politics the way they plan to control Palestine's political development.
Would love to see Schumer and Schiff take a trip to Tel Aviv and get their balls handed to them by Net. Just to highlight for all to see, who is the tail and who is the dog. Send Schumer and Schiff home with their tails between their legs.
They have a tiger by the tail and they cannot control it and they cannot let go. Tee hee hee.
Posted by: Jane | Mar 16 2024 0:50 utc | 42
38 Canuck. The reference to Custer is really just to what happened after, how the narrative at the time used the defeat of the last-standers to intensify the narrative against the savage Indians who "had massacered" the noble cavalry men. This narrative paved the way for the final step of the settler colonialist takeover of the territory and the removal of the Sioux to a reservation according to Keeler's thesis which is about how narratives are constructed from events to enable historical movements.
Axios reporter Barak Ravid has said that Israel’s negotiating team, led by Mossad director David Barnea, is expected to leave for Doha as early as Sunday, where they will discuss the current iteration of a potential truce agreement with Hamas. Ravid further reported that Netanyahu is expected to hold consultations on whether to expand the negotiating team before it leaves for Qatar.
Volunteers work tirelessly to mobilise actions to raise consciousness for Palestine in NYC
Posted by: Lydia Gorbik | Mar 16 2024 1:52 utc | 44
JB | Mar 15 2024 21:51 utc | 36
*** While Russia's endorsement of a techoncratic government formed by the discredited PA may not be a surprise, I am shocked that it has done so at this critical moment, dealing a blow to the Palestinian fighters, to the proposals of the Palestinian factions, to the needed Palestinian unity and thus to the Palestinian cause.***
His political/personal enemies within Israel are keen to finally nail Netanyahu.
He may get (deservedly) sentenced to ten years jail....
But unlike Jewish criminals elsewhere in the world, he obviously cannot take advantage of Israel's non-deportation policy.
So, if quick, he will have to try to escape to ....
Ah, but where?
The US regime will be supporting his successor; and they do seem to have genuinely run low on patience with his arrogant and rude attitude towards them anyway.
So no to there.
But maybe to Argentina, now misruled by a zio-fanatical lunatic....
Or perhaps to his chum Putin's Russia?
Posted by: Cynic | Mar 16 2024 2:04 utc | 45
@ Jane | Mar 16 2024 0:50 utc | 42
A propos Schumer's "tirade" against Net last Wednesday in the Congress, (with empty seats behind him ! for the 'security' of the representatives..:) - his comments and his real nature were highlighted today at the Judge Nap talking to Max Blumenthal, who quotes Schumer talking to Menachem Begin in 1982 (!) that 'he needs to kill them all, women and children' (Blumenthal quotes a book for this quote).
This discussion today was very informative, recommend.
Posted by: fanto | Mar 16 2024 2:06 utc | 46
fanto | Mar 16 2024 2:06 utc | 46 ....
Was it Schumer who said that to Begin?
Seen the quote being attributed to Joe Biden.
Posted by: Cynic | Mar 16 2024 2:11 utc | 47
What I find so hilarious is that the Jews require the Scott’s-Irish sect to do their fighting and achieve their goals and yet simultaneously the Jew Karl Marx proclaims that the Highland-Scott’s must be exterminated. WTF?
Yeah. I think the Muslim and the Scott’s Irish are brethren. We’ve always been oppressed by the same Jewish fucks. Fuck The Jews. Let’s unite.
The Jews pitted Eastern Orthodox Christians against the Chechen Muslims. It worked for a while but now the Chechens and Orthodox Christians are Brothers. The seven Jewish oligarch families of Russia are either imprisoned or exiled back to Israel. Putin don’t fuck about.
Putin is a master diplomat. As a Special Forces officer I watched with clarity the war between Russia and the Chechens back in the 1990s. Brutal. Ruthless.
And yet today. I see the Orthodox Christian Russians are the closest Brothers with the Chechen Muslims. Ramzan Kadyrov proclaims his Chechen army to be the foot soldiers for Russia. He loves Putin.
And I’ve banged up against Chechen warriors a couple of times in Afghanistan. They are badass scary motherfuckers. Better pay attention. Them dudes married up with big badass White alpha male Russian Christian soldiers. Man we ain’t gotta chance against those beasts with our current army of women, blacks and trannies.
My question is why the hell can’t we make peace with the Muslims. Like Putin did? Why aren’t the Persians our closest ally in the Middle East? They are the most westernized advanced people in the Middle East. Why not Muhammad Bin Salman. On the Sunni side. Also very advanced and wanting peace. Why can’t we all be sitting at the table in peace making lots of money for our people?
The answer:
Jews. They are a race of sociopaths and they will drag us all into a world war. If they can’t own everything then they will destroy everything according to their “Samson Doctrine.”
If only we don’t fall for it. Putin has been oh so tolerant. Destruction of his Nordstream pipelines. His Kershon Bridge, assassination of his citizens etc.
And the likes of Steve Bannon and Sebastian Gorka have the nerve to call Putin a criminal. Whilst they unconditionally support the Israeli genocide of the Muslims in Gaza.
I love Trump. But if he allows pieces of shit like Bannon and Gorka into his administration and if he condones the Israeli genocide of Muslims then fuck you Trump.
Posted by: RLTW | Mar 16 2024 3:14 utc | 48
Opinions sought
My post @1 was intentionally bare bones, short and sweet.
People get it or they won't.
Should I add a little more to one section, though?
Instead of:
Israel determined that Hamas's plan would not work...without Israel's help.Israel removed the majority of it's troops around Gaza just before Oct 7th.
After Hamas' jail break IDF troops were delayed in arriving in force for several hours.
Israel slaughtered their own people, implementing the Hannibal Directive.
Perhaps:
Israel determined that Hamas's plan would not work...without Israel's help.Israel removed the majority of it's troops around Gaza just before Oct 7th.
After Hamas' jail break IDF troops were delayed in arriving in force for several hours.
Israel has no explanation for this delay. They wave people off, saying that they will investigate
the delay after Hamas is defeated.
Higher-ups turned their backs on their own intelligence officers saying that Oct 7th was imminent.
The higher-ups blocked access to intelligence gathered from Hamas' handheld radio network
from their own intelligence officers.Israel slaughtered their own people, implementing the Hannibal Directive.
Too long?
Opinions sought.
Posted by: librul | Mar 16 2024 3:19 utc | 49
Trubind 27. Palestine Chronicle says US welcomes appt. of Mustafa as new PM of PA. US and Russia in agreement on this??
Hamas says it was not consulted in spite of having attended 'unity' (my word) meeting led by Budanov.
48 RLTW. US army of women, blacks, LGBTetc.,whites, Latinos, Native Americans, Asians, etc., all Americans in need of work.
I heard that the deadline for rafah is up. Now what?
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Mar 16 2024 4:20 utc | 53
48 RLTW. US army of women, blacks, LGBTetc.,whites, Latinos, Native Americans, Asians, etc., all Americans in need of work.
Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 16 2024 3:38 utc | 51
Aah yes! Go to work baby! You women, blacks and trannies think war is a day job? Like being a barrister at Starbucks? Sign up! Haha!
I got my popcorn! Yeah! Get in the fight!
Posted by: RLTW | Mar 16 2024 4:35 utc | 54
ICJ will hear Nicaraguan case vs. Germany:“The hearings will be devoted to the request for the indication of provisional measures contained in Nicaragua’s Application,” the ICJ said in a statement.”
Interesting, I did not know Nicaragua filed for “provisional measures “ as well.
This case is huge. It will impact “all support” of nation actors.
Outcome will be interesting.Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 15 2024 19:16 utc | 25
Yes; this is enormous. The ICH had already ruled, on 16.Feb, that the Israeli gov‘t has not complied with the provisional measures to stop ( a likely genocide ).
Genocide supporting civilian and military leaders in Washington and other places will soon become familiar with the Yamashita Standard of command responsibility.
https://www.esquiremag.ph/long-reads/features/tomoyuki-yamashita-standard-a00304-20200218-lfrm
Blinken and Baerbock should be getting familiar with the case of Koki Hirota soon enough:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kōki_Hirota
Note - Nicaragua ICJ filed genocide lawsuits against England, Holland, and Germany. For some reason, Germany is first on the docket. The Nicaraguan lawsuits are distinct from the South African genocide lawsuit. It’s also distinct from the UNGA request from the ICJ to advise on the legality of the Occupation. Finally, there are a number of lawsuits against individuals for various war crimes filed at the ICC.
Posted by: Exile | Mar 16 2024 5:36 utc | 55
RLTW,
You‘ve been fully red pilled for sure. What about active duty military ? Are Enlisted and Non-Coms also starting to become resistant to illegal orders etc ?
Did Aaron Bushall resonant among military ?
Posted by: Exile | Mar 16 2024 5:40 utc | 56
54 RLTW. Correction All Americans, many in need of work, many to serve.
I'm retired and I don't think they're looking for seniors -- it's not Ukraine yet. True I was never so inclined, but a brother died from Camp Legeune contamination.
What specific missions of the US armed services are you referring to when you criticize some of those currently serving?
….. What specific missions of the US armed services are you referring to when you criticize some of those currently serving?……
Nearly all of the current military missions overseas are illegal under U.S. law. After 60 days of a emergency military action, Congress needs a declaration of war. Otherwise it’s illegal.
Posted by: Exile | Mar 16 2024 6:39 utc | 58
I was asking RLTW for evidence those groups currently serving thAt he disparages can't cut it
.
My last action for Palestine placard read "Biden admin. Arms transfers to Israel violate US law." Referring to the Veterans for Peace" recent publication listing these 6 US laws:
The Foreign Assistance Act
The US conventional Arms Transfer (recently ratified by Biden admin )
The Arms Export Control Act
The US War Crimes Act
The Leahy Law
The Genocide Convention Implementation Act
31 PQ . I had understood the Nicaraguan case to be a flank action against European genocidal states -- Nicaragua in support of the SA case.
Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 15 2024 23:54 utc | 40
Yes. It is of course a good action. Just that I personally am losing faith in the ICJ. Every day that passes without quick decisive provisional orders that are not delicately couched so as to give Israel loopholes means: 150 likked per day and of the hundreds injured per day,many will die slowly and painfully due to destroyed hospitals.
The most disgusting thing the ICJ can do is produce a brilliant ruling a decade from now.
@Canuck, La Vieja #41
Yes, your reply to Canuck on Custer is correct. I didn't go into explaining what Keeler meant, for reasons of length.
@JB 36
Yes I know your reasoning is different from mine, although there is some little overlap between our conclusions as to how helpful Russia is to the liberation of Palestine.
I think we both agree that it is not being particularly helpful at this point. I hadn't seen the notice of the Russian congratulation you posted before you posted it.
On the point of self interest, all countries should be self interested. But I genuinely believe Russia has miscalculated its self interest by miscalculating the probability of Russian Jews helping Russia to re-enter Western "civilization" once Russia has defeated Ukraine and NATO.
The article by Jamal Wakim in Al Mayadeen reflects my view, that Russia needs to defeat the West in West Asia. I don't mean through military action (of course it is already fully occupied in Ukraine)but through statements and posture.
Putin invited Tucker for a reason: he is playing to Tucker's "white Christian" base to put pressure on politicians to stop funding Ukraine and to accept Russia as "one of us".
These wars are not only about resources and territory. There is a huge amount of institutional racism that comes from 500 years of colonialism. That's why since Vietnam, rules of war can be broken by the West as "collateral damage", aka atrocities against civilians, are permitted.
Taken to an absolute extreme by Israel in Palestine.
NB: "Racism" today is NOT a function of actual "race". It's about your obedience to the colonial ideology: western power and institutions must be protected at all costs. That other countries resources must belong to us because we are smarter and better.
Russia will never be accepted by the West as an equal partner as long as this outdated colonial ideology prevails in Western institutions.
Posted by: Pq | Mar 16 2024 7:34 utc | 60
Posted by: JB | Mar 15 2024 21:51 utc | 36
Yes, I agree with every point of your analysis. Russia spends more time blaming the US than it does Israel
I find the Russian position a bit incoherent in that it uses Palestine as a battering ram against the USA but its ICJ submission and various statements by politicians express unbridled support for Israel.
@Trubind1 28 "West will never support the tech government promoted by Russia"
However the West is enthusiastic about this.
I think the most we can hope for is for rifts to widen within Israel, growing rift between Israel and the US and of course global people pressure from below.
As JB says, Russia has really betrayed the Palestinians at this moment. I had slammed the Moscow meetings saying I was suspicious of Moscow's motives.
I'm not going to call Palestinian PA people "traitors" because my choices are not between torture / death vs betrayal. I don't want to judge from this distance. But it must be a blow for the resistance.
Posted by: Pq | Mar 16 2024 7:52 utc | 61
PQ. "Russia has miscalculated it's self-interest by miscalculating the probability of Russian Jews helping Russia to re-enter Western "civilization" is the case imo. I have wondered how the Russian intelligensia could really accept being ostracized from a "civilization" that traditionally in much of its literature and culture since Peter the Great (not sure) it has strived to be part of.
I appreciate the link to the Keeler interview on Thinking Muslim. How mind-boggling horrific has been the history of colonialism. I haven't understood the naming of the academic field of post-colonial studies, not at all post as we witness the cruelty being inflicted on the Palestinian people and their Resistance. The heart is heavy for for Russia's spiritually blind blow to the Resistance.
"What I find so hilarious is that the Jews require the Scott’s-Irish sect to do their fighting and achieve their goals and yet simultaneously the Jew Karl Marx proclaims that the Highland-Scott’s must be exterminated. WTF?"
RLTW (48).
The above could well be propaganda.
https://communism-explained.blogspot.com/2010/05/did-marx-call-for-extermination-of.html
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 16 2024 10:26 utc | 63
Khalissee
@Kahlissee
·
6h
WATCH: Americans are waking up to Zionism!
Here the media reveals "AIPAC strategy for pushing Pro-Israel message".
https://twitter.com/Kahlissee/status/1768848989837738374
Posted by: Menz | Mar 16 2024 10:35 utc | 64
RE: Trubind 27. Palestine Chronicle says US welcomes appt. of Mustafa as new PM of PA. US and Russia in agreement on this??
Hamas says it was not consulted in spite of having attended 'unity' (my word) meeting led by Budanov.
Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 16 2024 3:27 utc | 50
Agreed. US will “welcome” Mustafa as long as Abbas or any PA techno or not, remains under US control.
As I stated: Russia was looking to form techno gov placeholder in the event of collapse of PA & Israel gov., that takes “reality” on the ground, which is Hamas/PIJ. Russia was hopeful for a unity independent governance that could navigate through these times.
The Palestinians will need civil order and administrative processes to collect taxes and deal with financial crisis.
Right now Israel collects and distributes (as it pleases) all West Bank PLO $$ and Qatar handles Gaza.
The need is to unify Palestinians & umbrella an independent financial system. It’s “futuristic” but plans and positions must be in place for a Free Palestine.
As for Hamas “shock” of Mustafa. Maybe this is a West PR deception, maybe Hamas is shocked, the whole idea was very fragile anyways.
It’s not even likely an independent PA unified position and governance will prevail, but it is the only way forward for a sovereign PA statehood.
The struggle is still a few years from fruition, but ending the “occupation” is first order of business.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 16 2024 12:04 utc | 65
"38 Canuck. The reference to Custer is really just to what happened after, how the narrative at the time used the defeat of the last-standers to intensify the narrative against the savage Indians who "had massacred" the noble cavalry men. This narrative paved the way for the final step of the settler colonialist takeover of the territory and the removal of the Sioux to a reservation according to Keeler's thesis which is about how narratives are constructed from events to enable historical movements."
Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 16 2024 1:08 utc | 43
I agree totally; I was trying to add some colour to the picture but perhaps, my post was irrelevant to your idea.
I do think people would understand the difference between how the US handled the Indigenous people.
Yes, Canada did some regrettable actions but the US was tantamount to genocide.
"True I was never so inclined, but a brother died from Camp Lejeune contamination."
Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 16 2024 6:01 utc | 57
A head's up-You are probably aware but, anyways I was watching a TV commercial (I never watch it at home) at my accountant's place and it was about a class action lawsuit for all the soldiers that suffered at Camp Lejuene.
Israel is winning…Israel will keep winning…the total conquest of palestine is almost completed…
Posted by: Smash Hamas! | Mar 16 2024 13:33 utc | 68
Posted by: Hebrew Warrior | Mar 15 2024 16:37 utc | 5
Fortunately for you nervous reflex can produce that quality of comment. A brain is not required.
Posted by: Greg | Mar 16 2024 13:52 utc | 69
fanto "Schumer talking to Menachem Begin in 1982 (!) that 'he needs to kill them all, women and children' (Blumenthal quotes a book for this quote)."
They are all trying not to end up on trial for supporting a genocide?
Posted by: Minaa | Mar 16 2024 14:32 utc | 70
According to Al Jazeera a coupel of days ago, "Hamas" was stating that the pier was a step in the good direction. No idea how many rival currents they have at the moment. Another big statement was that they had accepted to be under Fatah's rule for a future gov, so very strange that they claim something different now, unless they are all just buying time for more horrors to unfold.
Posted by: Minaa | Mar 16 2024 14:34 utc | 71
@Wim #24
"Israel didn't get the message. It keeps trying to expand at the expense of the Arabs like the US did in the 1800s at the expense of the Indians"
I assume that's why they call the Israelis forcibly occupying Palestinian land "settlers", to try to echo and benefit from the mythology of the American West.
Posted by: billb | Mar 16 2024 14:38 utc | 72
History repeats.
In 1944 the treacherous Zionists, who were leaders in their community,
betrayed their own people and tricked them onto the trains to Auschwitz.
Hundreds of thousands went, confident in their Zionist leaders.
After the war the State of Israel protected these betrayors some of which
had become leaders in the reigning administration.
Will it be different this time?
Will the betrayal and treachery of the leaders of Israel that led to
the intentional security failure on Oct 7th be investigated?
Will it be honestly investigated or will it be buried under excuses?
Posted by: librul | Mar 16 2024 14:41 utc | 73
Posted by: Smash Hamas! | Mar 16 2024 13:33 utc | 68
Why hold back?
Just say the genocide of the Palestinians people is almost complete. The final solution is here and there is nothing you stupid goyim can do about it because we own you! Don’t hold back, embrace your inner criminal. And keep repeating to yourself what your Rabbi said, we only hate you because you are Jewish and your the victem here.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Mar 16 2024 15:14 utc | 74
"the total conquest of palestine is almost completed"
And (?)
This story has just begun. The prehistory of Zionist brutality has ended, now its history begins.
The first time this movie was shown on TV, "the people of the land" ("am ha'eretz") were people from Idumea, Galilee and Perea; But in 30-50 years "the people of the land" will be the people of the earth.
Your current satanic laughter as ruling class and heirs of the sadducean priestly aristocracy of the Temple-city is short on a grand scale.
Posted by: Simon | Mar 16 2024 15:28 utc | 75
Tens of Thousands of innocent worshippers pray for peace at Al-Aqsa Holy Site today
Posted by: Exile | Mar 16 2024 16:06 utc | 76
JB | Mar 15 2024 21:51 utc | 37
*** While Russia's endorsement of a techoncratic government formed by the discredited PA may not be a surprise, I am shocked that it has done so at this critical moment, dealing a blow to the Palestinian fighters, to the proposals of the Palestinian factions, to the needed Palestinian unity and thus to the Palestinian cause.***
Also -- and consistent with years of Russia allowing Israeli air attacks on Hezbollah and Syrian army forces in Syria, even when such attacks blatantly assist IS -- is Hezbollah being stabbed in the back?
Not only that, but note a similarity between the "Russian" wording and expressions used by Harari of the WEF. Doubt that is mere coincidence.
The regime in Moscow does in general seem suspiciously keen to comply with a lot of Agenda 21/30, WHO and WEF stuff very much devised towards the imposition of a globalist dictatorship.
Perhaps it is time that people who tend to make excuses for Putin and his administration recognised the possibility that, below the surface and loads of speeches, "Putin" and "NATO" might not be such truly opposing sides after all.
But the population of countries everywhere are supposed to think they are opponents and therefore there is a genuine choice. Pick a supposed 'side' yet ultimately end up conned into the same cattle-pen destination?
Recall that in the 1970s the chief executive of a US-multinational said "We do not fear foreign competition, because we are the foreign competition."
Posted by: Cynic | Mar 16 2024 16:16 utc | 77
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 15 2024 20:23 utc | 28
Media reporting that Israeli forces are gearing up to begin "evacuating" Palestinians from Rafah, what exactly does this entail I wonder,....
Most likely Western Europe and more specifically Spain, taking on a large cohort.
Posted by: AI | Mar 16 2024 16:35 utc | 78
Correction: IDV should be IDF
Posted by: Willow | Mar 15 2024 21:58 utc | 38
No IDF but IOF.
Posted by: AI | Mar 16 2024 16:47 utc | 79
AI (79).
And Israel will get away with it as well, for the international community can't even force the Zionists to call a ceasefire, let alone stop this genocide.
Of course the English government has set several precedents in forced deportations of indigenous folk from their lands, the last one I can think of was the Chagossian people, the English government forced them from their islands, via brutality and intimidation and then handed them over to the Americans to set up a military airbase (Diego Garcia).
The English government was found to have broken International Law (Just a few years back) by doing this, and they were told to hand the islands back to the Chagossian people, but the English government ignored the findings and to this day the USA still has control of the islands.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 16 2024 17:01 utc | 80
Smash Hamas! (69).
You might not know it yet but in reality Israel has already lost.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 16 2024 17:04 utc | 81
The bar flys here live in such an information bubble they are unaware of the ongoing civil war among Palestinian clans and Hamas. The string of massacres over aid shipments are the direct result of this inner-Palestinian struggle.
Most recently Hamas has carried out a number of assassinations against leaders of the Doghmush clan. Five months of senseless slaughter caused by Hamas has brought other armed factions out in the open.
As the US and others bring in relief supplies that Hamas can not control the sooner Hamas fragments.
Posted by: Zargo | Mar 16 2024 17:18 utc | 82
Zargo,
Incredibly weak attempt at divide and conquer.
All lies of course
Posted by: Exile | Mar 16 2024 17:29 utc | 83
Zargo | Mar 16 2024 17:18 utc | 83
*** The string of massacres over aid shipments are the direct result of this inner-Palestinian struggle.**
Oh, right -- so Israeli snipers, tanks, helicopter gunships and bombs had absolutely nothing at all to do with killing hundreds of Palestinian civilians just trying to collect food.
Well, thanks for that "information".
Posted by: Cynic | Mar 16 2024 17:33 utc | 84
Israel Uber Alles?, by Philip Giraldi - The Unz Review
https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israel-uber-alles-2/
We have a major TikTok problem” complained the grotesque Anti-Defamation League chief executive Jonathan Greenblatt, apparently freaking out because global youth aren’t buying Israel’s propaganda anymore since the site has something like a “memory” that directs readers and viewers to new information or videos that they had previously expressed an interest in. Many users were, per Greenblatt, interested in what is going on in Gaza and were receiving information hostile to Israel. The passage of the bill overwhelmingly, which was rushed through Congress, demonstrates yet again the Israel Lobby power.
Posted by: snake | Mar 16 2024 17:41 utc | 85
Yes! Political resistence forces intensify against the zionist machinations. A counter to the AIPAC is officially formed.
Quote from the article
“Howerver, despite the ominous forecast, “AIPAC remains one of the most powerful interest groups in Washington”, according to the report.
It raised “a record amount of money in 2023”, and its super PAC, called United Democracy Project, obtained over $40 million to spend in campaigns since the beginning of the year, the New York Times said.”
The United Democracy Project, huh…
Posted by: Stonedar | Mar 16 2024 17:54 utc | 86
https://www.uniteddemocracyproject.org”
About Us
United Democracy Project is an organization comprised of American citizens—Democrats, Republicans and Independents—united in the belief that America’s partnership with our democratic ally Israel benefits both countries. United Democracy Project works to help elect candidates that share our vision and will be strong supporters of the U.S.-Israel relationship in Congress.
Paid for by United Democracy Project and not authorized by any candidate or candidate committee.
Contributions to United Democracy Project are not deductible as charitable contributions for federal income tax purposes.
Posted by: Stonedar | Mar 16 2024 18:00 utc | 87
$40 million is chicken feed in the era of billion dollar presidential campaigns
Posted by: Exile | Mar 16 2024 18:02 utc | 88
Posted by: Stonedar | Mar 16 2024 18:00 utc | 88
I am sorry for your dislexia, daStoner.
Is our democratic ally israel the zionest entity?
You're kinda barkin' up the wrong tree here. Well, with many of the people here.
Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 16 2024 18:13 utc | 89
"The rhetoric that Zionist Israel is a colonialist Anglo-American creation is a cover story for the Soviet procurement, financing, and staffing of the Marxist state of Israel."
Posted by: Jack A | Mar 16 2024 18:22 utc | 90
strong supporters of the U.S.-Israel relationship
Posted by: Stonedar | Mar 16 2024 18:00 utc | 88
Helmer posted a note for "sunk cost fallacy" fallacy fans. The fix is in for both Little Israel's and Big Israel's "security guarantees"!
The US Treasury guarantees bond holders that if Israel defaults on repayment of its obligations, the US will pay instead. Notwithstanding this, the Israelis were obliged to offer an extra 1.35%, 1.45%, and 1.75% more in interest over the going rate for US Treasury bonds for the same length of term.The Reuters news agency headline on March 6 celebrated “Israel sells record $8 billion in bonds despite Oct 7 attacks, downgrade”. The propaganda agency based in New York quoted Israel’s Accountant-General as claiming the bond placement “results showed an “unprecedented expression of confidence in Israel’s economy by the world’s largest international investors”.*
In fact, according to well-informed bond trade sources in Europe, with the higher interest rates the market has just demanded from the Israelis, the spread between the Israel bonds and US Treasuries has never been wider, and the worse this spread will become for Israel.
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Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 16 2024 18:36 utc | 91
…… , the Israelis were obliged to offer an extra 1.35%, 1.45%, and 1.75% more in interest over the going rate for US Treasury bonds for the same length of term.….
Those are enormous spreads - suggests no one really wanted to buy those bonds
Posted by: Exile | Mar 16 2024 18:45 utc | 92
Posted by: Menz | Mar 16 2024 10:35 utc | 65 - Americans are waking up to Zionism!
This is an extremely important development. Most of the RoW has not been sympathetic towards Israel for a very long time but now they are the most hated nation in the world, edging out the US. The sea change in American attitudes, especially among the young, is what scares the shit out of Zionists. The trolls in this bar (“Israel is winning, Israel is winning”) are a testament to that fear. There will be political costs now to being a blind cheerleader for Israeli aggression, even in America. It will probably cost Biden reelection. There are also economic costs coming, as the stigma of being tight with the pariah state will likely result in other countries keeping their distance. If there is a victory for Israel, it will be pyrrhic. I expect that emigration from Israel will continue to accelerate, as any Israelis not fully committed to the extermination of the Palestinians will look for new homes around the world. A world that is mostly not hostile to Jews, despite the hysteria of antisemitism.
Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 16 2024 19:08 utc | 93
…… ," the Israelis were obliged to offer an extra 1.35%, 1.45%, and 1.75% more in interest over the going rate for US Treasury bonds for the same length of term.….
Those are enormous spreads - suggests no one really wanted to buy those bonds"
Posted by: Exile | Mar 16 2024 18:45 utc | 93
Yes they are huge spreads especially when the US rates are the highest in the Western world at this time. And it doesn't look like the 'Gazan war' will be settled soon extrapolating the Israeli cost both economically and morally which will degrade the Israeli bonds even more-that's why they are issuing them so quickly at this time they are aware of their credit deterioration in the near future.
That's why the BRICS ,the ROW has time on its side while the West does not.
Very good interview and amazing woman (as also her whole family)
https://youtu.be/R5M44LTHTBM?si=t7DSMWssHh8hHvqx
Many reasons to cancel the EU special association agreement with Israel
Posted by: Minaa | Mar 16 2024 19:28 utc | 95
Jack A 91
Socialism is totally opposed to Nationalism, and in Israel Socialism was still politically dominant, including the communal Kibbutz.
There's nothing wrong with an Israel that believes that what is good for the goose is good for the gander, in other words benefitting Arab and Jew as neighbours.
There is nothing wrong with a single state of Palestine with equal rights for Muslim and Jew, in a Holy Land based on religious principles.
What is wrong in Israel is Ultra right US politics combined with revisionist Nazis coalescing round Netanyahu's father's Nazi subscription to the ideas of Nazi Jacobinsky.
Capitalism's logic is the exploitation of the poor and the Other, and when Capitalism can't get what wants because of Ownership of Palestine by Palestinians, it resorts to bulldozers and genocide.
It is Capitalism that has been defeated by the US escalation to savagery, not Zionism, Capitalism that sends its warships, planes , bombs and intelligence, to murder innocents.
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 16 2024 19:35 utc | 96
recap
dailysabah | Israeli minister calls for eliminating Islam's holy Ramadan month, March 1
defense.gov | DOD to Construct Pier to Deliver Humanitarian Aid to Gaza ,
March 8
...The 60-day timeline for JLOTS [Joint Logistics Over-the-Shore] to become operational off Gaza includes the time it will take to transport some of the JLOTS components from Virginia to the Middle East, Ryder said....ChatGPT | A ship with Gaza aid is preparing to inaugurate a sea route from Cyprus to the war-ravaged strip, March 8
the European Commission president said Friday as international donors launched a ["Amalthea Initiative"] sea corridor [presented last Dec] to supply the besieged territory that is facing widespread hunger after five months of war. The opening of the [maritime] corridor, along with the recent inauguration of airdrops of [MREs], showed increasing frustration with the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and a new international willingness to work around Israeli restrictions.The vessel belonging to Spain's Open Arms aid group will make a pilot voyage to test the corridor in the coming days, Ursula von der Leyen told reporters in Cyprus, where she's inspecting preparations for it.
One week, 8K more dead, two flour massacres, and one pallet killer later, a NEW! "marine corridor" for IDF-hosted Ramadan shelters
ChaatGPT | First Gaza aid ship unloads supplies at besieged enclave refugee camps, March 16
A first vessel delivering aid to the battered Gaza Strip has fully unloaded, depositing 200 tons of food, water and supplies at the starving enclave, and inaugurating a humanitarian sea corridor from Cyprus. Videos posted online [Instagram album] show a crane transferring crates from the barge onto trucks on a custom-built jetty. A second vessel was already being loaded in the Cypriot port of Larnaca, the World Central Kitchen (WCK)*, a U.S. charity, said on Saturday morning.[...]* Cuisine, ready-to-eat [CRE] curated by D.C. darling chef José Andrés who famously fed Puerto Rico and sued the Trump family over catering bills and border security, 2017-2018.
DW | First ship unloads Gaza aid
What you need to know* "Palestinian Authority+" regime change has been waiting in the wings since October, here and here. Haaretz periodically pimped this Hobson drama here and here, for example, until Shtayyeh quit.
A humanitarian ship unloaded rice, flour, lentils, beans, tuna, and canned meat in Gaza as the besieged territory facesa severe food shortagefamine and IDF snipers.German Chancellor Olaf Scholz will begin a Middle East trip. He will visit Jordan and Israel and meet with the leaders of both countries. Militant Islamist [sic] group Hamas has criticized Palestinian Authority* President Mahmoud Abbas for appointing a new prime minister of the Palestinian Authority.
Germany begins airdropping aid to Gaza
The German military has started airdropping aid supplies to the besieged Gaza Strip, the Bundeswehr has said.The German air force deployed two C-130 Hercules transport aircraft to the region to carry out the airdrops. Each aircraft can transport up to 18 tons of cargo.
"Our #C130 aircraft dropped 4 tons [?] of urgently needed food over northern Gaza," the Luftwaffe said in a post on the social media platform X, formerly Twitter. "From a height of about 1000 meters, we delivered the 4 pallets with pinpoint accuracy."
Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 16 2024 19:57 utc | 97
This discussion today was very informative, recommend.
Posted by: fanto | Mar 16 2024 2:06 utc | 47
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Hey, congratulations to me!
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I have mentioned the Israel Katz connection and provided links to stories going back to 2015 describing Katz's Alcatraz Island wet dream multiple times ever since this absurd plan was "floated" by the US (more like a floating turd that keeps bobbing in the communication lanes).
Posted by: Jane | Mar 16 2024 19:58 utc | 98
Posted by: Jane | Mar 16 2024 19:58 utc | 99
I lived in NYC for 20 years. I laughed aloud when you nailed that Five Towns son of D'Amato to a T.
Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 16 2024 20:09 utc | 99
54 RLTW. Correction All Americans, many in need of work, many to serve.
I'm retired and I don't think they're looking for seniors -- it's not Ukraine yet. True I was never so inclined, but a brother died from Camp Legeune contamination.
What specific missions of the US armed services are you referring to when you criticize some of those currently serving?
Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 16 2024 6:01 utc | 58
Three and a half years as cadre at the Special Warfare Training Center aka USAJFKSWCS. Selecting and training Green Berets. Selection classes were typically over 400 candidates. Mostly from 18th Airborne Corp ie 82d, 101st, Tenth Mountain and 75th Rangers. So we’re already starting out with the most elite infantry and paratroopers in the entire US military ecosystem.
Over 70 percent of these elite infantry would be weeded out of SFAS aka “Selection” 77 percent in my personal class. Of those who were “Selected” two thirds of those men would fail out of the year long SFQC aka the “Q Course.”
So out of every hundred of the most elite infantry soldiers in the world only five or six ended up getting Tabbed. Then they marry up with an actual SFODA. Even at that camouflage, a significant percentage of graduates end up getting fired once they land on a Team and get screened through real world missions. They show up to work one morning and find all of their kit sitting outside the Team Room with a post it note saying “Report to the Sergeant Major’s office for out processing.”
So yes I do know of what I speak. Granted, this was 1997-2001 timeframe. Today the standards have been abolished. Not hyperbole. To begin the Q-Course a candidate doesn’t have to pass the physical fitness test. Doesn’t have to find any points on the legendary Star Land Navigation course. Doesn’t have to pass any patrols in phase one. Officers don’t have to pass TroyTrek etc. There are literally no standards. Why did they do this? Because the number one priority of the current Command is for women to be able to graduate the Q-Course and wear a Green Beret.
They did the same thing to the Rangers. So all of the Special Forces Groups and the 75th Rangers are now a complete fucking joke. Sleep well America.
However. My understanding is that the Navy SEALS have refused to lower their standards to comply with this woke agenda. God bless the Frogmen!
But this crap was even encroaching in the 90s under Clinton. Back then it was all about blacks. Why aren’t there any blacks in SF? Well it mostly had to do with the fact that the minimum measured IQ to even be considered as an SF Candidate was 115. Average IQ of American blacks is 80. But Command forced the issue.
They wanted to make an SF diversity recruitment poster but there weren’t enough available blacks within the ranks. So they ordered us to go COSCOM (support and logistics for SF) and find some athletic looking strapping young black boys.
So we did. The recruitment poster was an “SFODA” in arctic camouflage on the ridge line of a snow capped mountain led by a black “Team Commander” with several other black “Operators” in the background.
True to their guerrilla warfare training, the SF NCOs who were tasked with dressing up these impostors. Ha! These SF NCOs mounted the AimPoint sights backwards on the rails of the M-4s. And the Army brass actually published the poster! It was a quietly hilarious open secret in the SF world for weeks until the retard Army brass finally figured it out and yanked the poster. Some of you all out there might be old enough to remember that poster.
Posted by: RLTW | Mar 16 2024 20:13 utc | 100
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The Israeli newspapers are telling a significant half-truth (lying by omission).
Haaretz
Times of Israel
Israel Hayom
and the NYT
All these tell you that Israel had Hamas' detailed Oct 7th plan a full year ago
and determined that the plan could not work...
The above is the half-truth.
The whole truth they are not telling you is that
Israel determined that Hamas's plan would not work...without Israel's help.
Israel removed the majority of it's troops around Gaza just before Oct 7th.
After Hamas' jail break IDF troops were delayed in arriving in force for several hours.
Israel slaughtered their own people, implementing the Hannibal Directive.
Israel wanted it to happen, they implemented the Hannibal Directive so as to
escalate the casualty numbers and the outrage. They wanted support for Genocide.
They and their newspapers are lying by omission.
Israel wanted the jail break to happen and made it possible.
Israel betrayed and slaughtered their own
and are now committing Genocide.
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“They deem him their worst enemy, who tells them the truth”
Plato, The Republic, c. 380 BC
Posted by: librul | Mar 15 2024 15:53 utc | 1