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March 20, 2024
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-084

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I don’t know if anyone is following what is happening in Africa.
Niger recently told the Americans to leave and abandon their West African spy complex. The Yanks are mad that the Blacks are asserting their national interest and sovereignty.
This comes from several Sahel states undergoing coups and military leadership rejecting colonialist interests. So-called Democracy is failing in Africa as predictably, Globohomo democracy provides nothing for the actual citizens in that democratic nation.
Russia (and China) have a hand in this, particularly Russia which gladly trains any African nation that wants to take care of its security concerns.
Normally, in the Ukraine thread, every day a handful of Doomers (you know which usual suspects) emote about attacks upon Russia. Unsurprisingly, they are missing the asymmetric warfare via diplomacy that the Russian (and Chinese) state are conducting.
It is a small mind that can only see conflict as kinetic. Those tiny people cannot perceive the psychological, emotional, and economic.
Military warfare is so wasteful and temporary. Forging bonds of brotherhood by elevating an entire people to independence is cheaper and far more enduring.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 21 2024 0:33 utc | 101

Small clarification: when I talk of the murder of millions was never referring to the famine. Some insist that was deliberate mass murder, I have no opinion about it having never studied the issue, because I don’t trust any figures from Stalinist Russia and never will.
I conjecture, based on Gareth’s reportage from within Russia, that the famine happened largely because of draconian command and control modus operandi of the Politburo following materialist dogma. Whether well intentioned or not they imposed an ideology-driven view about how things should be organized, how people should think feel and act, and ruthlessly implemented their concept, epitomizing top-down tyranny in the process. This rigidity mainly caused the famine after bumper crop years shortly before which featured, for example, forced collectivization overseen by political officers with zero understanding of farming or rural life. They also insisted on long-term replacement of human labour by machines. Many such issues.
Materialism derives from a deeply flawed mindset which believes that only objective, physical reality – an abstraction – is real and nothing else. From there it is a short step to view life as a soulless, mechanical process. Political systems fashioned from that mindset, including Marxist, engender machine-inspired inhuman dystopias.
Communist Russia had many positive aspects but its apologists are loath to acknowledge the many extremely negative ones. Arguing about whether or not the Holodomor was deliberate only serves to prevent insight into deeper aspects involving past and possibly future totalitarianism.
Mayhap partisan myopia is humanity’s greatest danger.

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 21 2024 0:39 utc | 102

So what does it actually mean ?
The ECB has offset the loss for 2023 against “future profits”
I’ve told you all a 100 times. The ECB can never run out of Euro’s and can create as many Euro’s it wants on demand using an index finger and a computer keyboard.
It is complete bullshit from start to finish, smoke and mirrors. Framing and narrative techniques to fool those taken into education camps at the age of 5 to be brainwashed to believe government finances are like that of a household or business.
You shouldn’t be falling for this bullshit anymore. No money left, money can only be found via taxes or borrowing etc, etc, etc, etc. Fill a black hole to balance the books etc, etc, etc. We need austerity etc, etc, etc
With elections coming up there is going to be wall to wall bull shit 24/7 of this type of nonsense. Labour has inherited a mess of the public finances etc,etc,etc their hands are tied etc, etc, etc it is all horse shit by the one party nation state.
Karlof1 you of all people should know better. I can’t actually believe you fell for big cigar man’s crap on the Duran after reading all of Michael Hudson’s work.
Andy Verity who works At the BBC says they’ve had a whole independent review which made it very clear they shouldn’t use profoundly misleading household finance analogies for the public finances. But now the Labour front bench keeps doing it. And it’s not the first time or will be the last.
Here:
https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1765352025280115030&related=andyverity
He understands MMT so do those within the BBC but refuse to stop the politicians getting away with murder. How do I know?
I was interviewed by the BBC, they know the truth and EXACTLY how things work. Using propaganda hide the truth from the public.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 0:40 utc | 103

canuck@68…..makes perfect sense. When I read the post about left and right, two sides of a one faced coin, same old divide and rule bullshit…. what more can be said, most astute posters here picked it out right away. Maybe there is hope……ok that’s a stretch.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 21 2024 0:52 utc | 104

Alexander Mecouris will do a 20 min video turning himself inside out trying to prove that the ECB is like a business and has to return a profit.
If he actually has the balls to try and rectify his HUGE mistake after brainwashing his subscribers into believing garbage.
Instead of seeing the TRUTH right before his very eyes, that the ECB issues the Euro. A child can see it – the truth.
It is not even difficult.
That the ECB can run on negative equity for eternity if need be.
So the question has to be asked. Why does the Duran ALWAYS play away at neoliberal Utd when it comes to basic macro economics ?
They never have understood modern money – period.
What’s that gold standard, fixed exchange rate chump.With the big cigar got to say for himself ?
Absolutely NOTHING, he will carry on as if he never even wrote the article that he was brought in the Duran to explain.
This garbage Here :
Just look at how wrong he actually was his article called Why War Bonds Are Returning in Europe
http://goldgoatsnguns.com/
How many times does MMT have to be right before these chumps listen ?
Ideology blinds them from the truth. They are NEVER prepared to learn the different monetary systems if it collides with their ideology or confirmation bias.
All I try to do is give you the Truth on here. Always have done always will do. When it comes down to money and the monetary system people use.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 1:01 utc | 105

The ECB has offset the loss for 2023 against “future profits”.
So anyone who claimed that the German (French/etc.) “taxpayer” would pay for the losses of the ECB and the bond purchase programs was and is wrong and should question his or her theories.
Here:
https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1760633331173958128&related=dehnts

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 1:10 utc | 106

sean the leprechaun | Mar 21 2024 0:52 utc | 105
Watching the poverty alleviation schemes in China and Vietnam, especial in the rural areas, may be educational.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 1:11 utc | 107

“canuck@68…..makes perfect sense. When I read the post about left and right, two sides of a one faced coin, same old divide and rule bullshit…. what more can be said, most astute posters here picked it out right away. Maybe there is hope……ok that’s a stretch.
Cheers M”
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 21 2024 0:52 utc | 105
I don’t know about ‘perfect sense’ but it does show a perspective which illustrates that both antipodes of political thought (ie Communism versus Fascism) are both essentially gaols of individual freedom.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 1:16 utc | 108

“Small clarification: when I talk of the murder of millions was never referring to the famine. Some insist that was deliberate mass murder, I have no opinion about it having never studied the issue, because I don’t trust any figures from Stalinist Russia and never will.
I conjecture, based on Gareth’s reportage from within Russia, that the famine happened largely because of draconian command and control modus operandi of the Politburo following materialist dogma. Whether well intentioned or not they imposed an ideology-driven view about how things should be organized, how people should think feel and act, and ruthlessly implemented their concept, epitomizing top-down tyranny in the process. This rigidity mainly caused the famine after bumper crop years shortly before which featured, for example, forced collectivization overseen by political officers with zero understanding of farming or rural life. They also insisted on long-term replacement of human labour by machines. Many such issues.
Materialism derives from a deeply flawed mindset which believes that only objective, physical reality – an abstraction – is real and nothing else. From there it is a short step to view life as a soulless, mechanical process. Political systems fashioned from that mindset, including Marxist, engender machine-inspired inhuman dystopias.
Communist Russia had many positive aspects but its apologists are loath to acknowledge the many extremely negative ones. Arguing about whether or not the Holodomor was deliberate only serves to prevent insight into deeper aspects involving past and possibly future totalitarianism.
Mayhap partisan myopia is humanity’s greatest danger.”
Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 21 2024 0:39 utc | 10
One of your best Scorpion-thank you!

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 1:19 utc | 109

Also, the Russian Revolution was not intended, nor did it result in the break up of the Soviet Union. ..”
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 20 2024 19:36 utc | 38
Well that bit of ignorance, deflates your credibility.
Posted by: Ново З | Mar 20 2024 22:08 utc | 65
Ladies and gentlemen, the aptly named “hobo” puts in his two cents! Pray tell, my dear hobo, why does that statement hurt my credibility?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 21 2024 1:27 utc | 110

canuck@68…..makes perfect sense. When I read the post about left and right, two sides of a one faced coin, same old divide and rule bullshit…. what more can be said, most astute posters here picked it out right away. Maybe there is hope……ok that’s a stretch.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 21 2024 0:52 utc | 105
Ah, but they do exist, despite all the RC psyops. I will say that both will become much clearer as the crisis of capitalism gets more acute. Stay tuned.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 21 2024 1:30 utc | 111

Military warfare is so wasteful and temporary. Forging bonds of brotherhood by elevating an entire people to independence is cheaper and far more enduring.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 21 2024 0:33 utc | 102
Good point, Love.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 21 2024 1:31 utc | 112

Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 20 2024 23:30 utc | 79
*** Nobody is arguing that such a famine didn’t occur, but the entire basis of the “Holodomor” fairy tale is that it was intentional, directed only at Ukraine (which itself is plainly ridiculous assuming you know the demographics), and didn’t affect any other regions of the USSR.***
And the ancestors of the crowd forever on about it tend to be from Galicia which wasn’t even in the USSR at the time. Pests in a corner of Poland who themselves carried out massacres once they got the chance. And whose offspring subsequently tried to exterminate the descendants of the population of eastern post-WW2 Ukraine, who would (unlike them) have suffered in the aforementioned famine.

Posted by: Cynic | Mar 21 2024 1:33 utc | 113

juliania | Mar 20 2024 23:55 utc | 93–
Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately, until citizens of the West accept the truth of what psychohistorian said @88 that the political nature is top/down, not left/right little in the way of reform through the ballot box will be accomplished. I am very happy for Russia and Russians and see them as a spark to motivate the Global Majority.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2024 1:38 utc | 114

@b @all
Happy Spring solstice.
Happy Noruz.
Hope springs eternal. May there be more sanity in this world ours.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 21 2024 1:39 utc | 115

Posted by: Simon | Mar 20 2024 17:05 utc | 22
In the time of Benjamin of Tudela, the bulk of Judaism was Persian and Sephardic and, however, centuries later 90% would be the Yiddish people.
The Yiddish people prospered demographically by finding a niche in Poland-Ukraine-Lithuania-Belarus:
A) Catholic Aristocracy
B) Yiddish people
C) Christian Peasantry earthly
paradise for A and B; hell for C until “the Deluge” came
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(history)
and that’s where the animosity towards Russia comes from
Posted by: Simon | Mar 20 2024 16:55 utc | 21
<=thanks for that explanation. Posted by: Simon | Mar 20 2024 17:05 utc | 22 part of the Yiddish people entered (1917-) to be part of the Bolshevik ruling class, another part went to America and triumphed there, and another part, a group of terrorists and fascist fanatics founded (1917-) "our colonial project" (Vladimir Jabotinsky) they were 4 major invasions of Russia sine the Mongols: 1709 Charles XII 1812 Napoleon 1917 Wall Street and the City 1941 Nazi Germany Posted by: bevin | Mar 20 2024 16:37 utc | 18 who called Canuck's statement utter bullship.. "the US UK France Germany etc financed the bolshevik revolution" "...the "Bolshevik Revolution" was financed by Wall Street magnate Jacob Schiff who put up $20 MM dollars towards the event; The City also sent money for the Revolution." canuck@ 13 History sides with canuck @ 13 wall street and private investorsfinanced the bolshevik revolution. and I add that history shoews Jacob Schiff also financed most of the Japan v . Russia war in 1905.. ..https://www.jstor.org/stable/23880523 and
quoting from the reference..
It is clear thAt the American share represented a significant percentage of the total Japanese government bonds Underwritten in the US, 1904-1905
_____________________________________________________________________________
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Description Date Amount(pounds) Underwritten U.S. Share
__________________________________________________________________________
1st 6% War 5-1904 £10,000,000 London, N.Y. £ 5,000,000
2nd 6% War 11-1904 £12,000,000 London, N.Y. £ 6,000,000
1st 4 1/2% War 3-1905 £30,000,000 London, N.Y. £15,000,000
2nd 4 1/2% War 7-1905 £30,000,000 London, N.Y.Berlin £10,000,000
Total War Loans £82,000,000 London, Ny.
Berlin, Paris $36,000,000
and here is something much more concerning
Jeffery Sachs has an article about Covid 19 and who funded the development of covid-19 ..https://www.unz.com/article/what-might-the-us-owe-the-world-for-covid-19/

Posted by: snake | Mar 21 2024 1:39 utc | 116

I see the chamberpot is misrepresenting me in its post @106. I don’t even watch The Duran and have zero idea as to who “big cigar man” is.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2024 1:43 utc | 117

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 20 2024 16:35 utc | 17
He said the magic words, karlof1 – “the four freedoms”. Anyone reading your substack knows what that means. Thank you for allowing us to follow this process. Even if we don’t understand the technical side, we need to know what is happening.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 21 2024 1:48 utc | 118

karlof1 | Mar 21 2024 1:43 utc | 118
Chamberpot echonomics… Clown does short spurts of trying to swamp the open threads with echonomics.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 1:53 utc | 119

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 1:19 utc | 110
Thanks for kind words. Encouraged, I clarify further:
1. (Reductionist) Materialism is based on abstraction:
Only the physical is real sounds the opposite of abstract, but: separating the physical from the mental, the objective from the subjective, is a cognitive construct using word categories.
Experientially we cannot separate mind and body. Exercise:
put your hand out and crook the index finger towards you and deliberately waggle it, like it’s talking. Now examine: where does the mind stop and the body begin?
Experientially they happen together. Similarly, so-called objective external physical reality can only be observed by a living, subjective mind-awareness.
Positing a separate external solid self-existing reality, though intuitively satisfying, nevertheless is a concept, or ‘abstraction’.
2. Similarly, in the abstracted reality world of a materialist, the notion of ‘The State’ takes on the air of being solid, real, actual, objective when in fact it’s just an Idea, or concept. But Marxist thought treats it as something objectively, physically real. It’s not.
3. Once you start believing in concepts/abstractions as reality, there is no limit as to how far you can go with ideologies purportedly based on such – i. e. dialectical materialism, scientism, celebrityism, queerism, fanaticisms etc.
Hariri is the guru-product of such abstraction: a genius, dystopic, anti-human, queer, Jewish intellectual. Promulgating his unreal New Reality for us all.
4. From such delusions come totalitarian dystopias favouring lifeless mechanistic abstraction over living, feeling, breathing, fucking, confusing, glorying human Be-ing.
Philosophy 101 on shot glass 10 of 34% locally brewed cane aguardiente at $6.00 a bottle. Smooth kick!
(Old friend died….driving cross Mexico tomorrow…)

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 21 2024 1:55 utc | 120

Chamberpot: a man who won’t change his mind, and won’t change the subject.
A man who thinks that because a country can create infinite currency, it can also create infinite resources. And no inflation.
A man who doesn’t appear to understand that as the monetary system is currently organised, all the currency in circulation is debt; ie, it has to be paid back (with interest) and when it’s paid back, it “vanishes”.
ie, if all bank (commercial and central) loans were paid back… there’d be literally no currency in circulation.
That is our current monetary system. It’s a disaster, a form of feudalism – we’re all obliged to rent our means of exchange from a government-created cartel of money lenders.
Chamberpot believes in MMT (Magic Money Tree), but at least he takes an interest in the subject.

Posted by: Observer | Mar 21 2024 2:57 utc | 121

From the week in review thread
Health in modern developed societies.
Heart disease. Photos from the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. Virtual all working class men had the faces of athletes. Much energy expenditure in everyday work.
Obesity is strongly linked to heart problems. An abundance of food plus close to zero energy expenditure.
Arctic and far northern peoples have always consumed large quantities of animal fats. Much energy expenditure in both everyday life and in keeping warm.
Energy intake vs energy expenditure. US in particular has a culture of very high energy diet, yet there is little energy expenditure in their daily lives.
Smoking. The photos of the old bushmen, woodcutters sitting on the porch smoking a pipe, many well into their 70’s and beyond.
Tailor mades filled with chemicals…. A big difference.
Cancer? If we read enough bullshit we find that every food under the sun causes cancer.
Throughout this illness I have done a lot of medical research (learning about metabolic cycles and so forth) plus many experiments in diets and mineral supplements.
One time I thought a couple of chemical compounds in pineapple juice may help so I began drinking that. Diluted a bit with whiskey. Also took vitamin C supplements to see if that would help. After a time my fatigue greatly increased and I developed diarrhea. Did a bit of research and found vitamin C depletes copper and realized I had created a copper deficiency. Stopped the pineapple juice and C and began taking copper supplements. Looked up the recommended max daily intake of copper and took that. Symptoms of copper deficiency quickly cleared but kept taking the copper supplements. Shortly after I began getting fast growing skin growths that became itchy. Had one cut off and analysed and was told I should get them all cut off as they could turn malignant. A bit more research and found copper is required for new blood vessels.
Right – back onto the C to get copper levels down. The growths quickly dried up and fell off. When I thought the last one was gone, I stopped taking C. As it turns out the last one had not quite disappeared and I now use it as a gauge for copper levels. If it starts to grow, I take some C till it starts to shrink.
Some time after that, I bought the house I am in now to renovate at the times I was well enough to do so. Got to the stage we could move in but my health continued to deteriorate and I was unable to finish it.
But when we moved in, that growth quickly began to grow. Th place had copper water pipe running from the mains on the street to the house. I replaced that with poly so there was only about a meter of copper running up through the wall to the cupboard under the kitchen sink. Problem solved.
I searched the medical literature for the link between high copper levels and abnormal growths/cancer and there was none. Although copper circulates in the blood, accurate copper levels can only be measured by liver biopsy which is where copper is stored. Perhaps there needs to be a much finer graduation the the gauge used to measure blood copper levels but it could the amount of copper in the liver that is the trigger rather than the amount in the blood. This is where pure scientific reach comes in and is needed.
There is a very definite link between high copper levels and abnormal growths.
Development brings with it copper plumbing. In developed societies there is much greater incidence of cancer.
In those years of medical research I had run across stuff on extra large doses of vitamin C curing cancer. I looked into it a bit but then largely dismissed it as quackery. much of the theory bind it was quackery, the need for massive doses of intravenous C was quackery, but from my own experiments, high copper induces abnormal growths, C depletes copper and then abnormal growths dry up.
This requires science, not big pharma for profit medicine, not political medicine but pure scientific medical research.
canuck, not quite the same as my first that did not post but perhaps you will see why I like science yet at times dismiss it. The vast majority the go into the western education production factory get a quality control sticker slapped on them as they come of the conveyor belt and nothing exists outside what they have been taught.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 3:11 utc | 122

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 3:11 utc | 123
You might want to check out hydrogen peroxide and baking soda, in both cases I think intravenous but memory hazy. They each have some extraordinary properties.

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 21 2024 3:43 utc | 123

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2024 1:38 utc | 115
I would agree with you, and with psychohistorian. I am finding Plato’s Laws more interesting than I expected. He,or rather the Athenian who directs the dialogue, has entered into a discussion with his two walking companions on the positive or negative aspects of inebriation, the consumption of wine –( very appropriate to our bar here.) His argument is in part that in one’s cups one reveals attributes of one’s nature that either need to be worked on or demonstrate one’s inner purity. All in a safer environment than actual combat.
I will have to think about that. I guess that’s why they call it ‘spirits’. And whilst his friends seem to have a kind of ‘left vs right’ opposition on the subject, the Athenian diplomatically comes down right in the middle, finding fault (in a kindly way) with both of them as they each find fault with one another’s characterization of the god-inspired laws in Sparta or in Crete. He does this by suggesting the god for each nation to have had a more noble intent than that attributed to him by the naysayer.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 21 2024 4:04 utc | 124

juliania | Mar 21 2024 4:04 utc | 125
That’s why I like reading your comments. I guess I get a bit ‘spirited’ at times.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 4:14 utc | 125

Scorpion | Mar 21 2024 3:43 utc | 124
A bit past me now. Both some personal experience and then extensive medical research required to get and understanding of many of these things.
Some alternative type medicine is pure quackery. But in other places there is anecdotal evidence that requires following up with pure scientific research.
Three problems, the main two being production line in the box type scientists and big pharma for profit scientists, the third being the much alternative quackery that is used to relieve suckers of cash.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 4:32 utc | 126

In Beijing there is the third International Forum on Democracy: The Shared Human Values going on and the following Xinhuanet posting has an American perspective:

“The rich who buy our elections don’t want democracy,” U.S. journalist Lee Camp has said, describing the U.S. representative democracy as “false, rigged, fake, laughable.”
Average Americans have no say in government policies and actions, he said in a video speech Wednesday at the third International Forum on Democracy: The Shared Human Values, citing a 2014 Princeton study, which found that public opinion had “near-zero” impact on U.S. law.
The key lies in money politics. With the top 1 percent of Americans grabbing almost 40 trillion U.S. dollars, a whopping great fortune more than the combined wealth of America’s entire middle class, “nothing gets approved by our government unless it first aligns with corporate interests,” he said.
“Our government is 100 percent owned by the corporate state. And average Americans don’t matter at all,” he added.
“We direct the path of the United States as much as insects change the path of an 18-wheel tractor-trailer when they splatter across the windshield. We are just bug splatter to the ruling elite,” said Camp.
Furthermore, U.S. politicians “have toppled countries around the world with endless CIA coups, wars, economic sanctions and propaganda in order to consolidate their power and strengthen their tentacles around the globe,” he said.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 21 2024 4:53 utc | 127

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 3:11 utc | 123
Hey Pete: many years ago I heard a paper given about skeletal remains held in the Australian Museum (long since repatriated and interred). They were of an indigenous man in his 50s (determined by certain bone growth) who appeared to have died violently (evidence of a head wound). He was estimated to be around 188cm tall; there was no evidence of osteoarthritis and the quality of his teeth was that of a man half his age. The medical judgment was that leaving aside accident or homicide (and all things being equal) he would comfortably have made it to 80+. Of course, the Australian indigenous diet is now well-known to have been synced to the population over 25,000+ years, but, as you say, the extraordinary high energy lifestyle is the key. They were some of the toughest, wiry, wanderers in human history, and they wondered why the first Europeans in Sydney Cove starved when the whole world was full of things to eat… so we wiped them out.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 21 2024 5:45 utc | 128

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 21 2024 4:53 utc | 128
And, as Michael Hudson reminds us, if the 99% get wind of the way things are really done in China, there may not be enough lamp-posts. Keep your pitchfork handy.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 21 2024 5:50 utc | 129

Patroklos | Mar 21 2024 5:45 utc | 129
I read a book written by the surveyor who put in many of the tracked through the desert areas of western Australia and through into south Australia and the territory back in the fifties.
There were still some ‘wild blacks’ out there then. Aboriginal people that had had little or no contact with white men. I don’t think it while he was surveying the route ahead of the grader but driving along one of these tracks, and aboriginal man appeared beside him keeping pace with the vehicle looking on in curiosity. He kept that pace up for many miles, a cloud of flies around his face, never having to open his mouth to breath before he peeled off. Incredibly fit.
The last of the desert aborigines were cleared out for the atomic testing I believe.
Re teeth. From what I can make out, or what I pick up watching archaeology is that hunter gather teeth are general well worn by middle age. I have assumed it something to do with grit, perhaps from root vegetables, but also from grindstones.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 7:26 utc | 130

“Our government is 100 percent owned by the corporate state”

The Power
The Power in Washington (1963/67-) is in the hands of a coalition of three political parties:
1) the imperial party seeking global Domination.
2) the Corporatocratic party
3) the Zionist party
Of course in some cases the three parties coincide even in the same person and in other cases there are frictions or discussions.
Another way of expressing the same it is that the ruling class discusses among themselves how best to serve the gods of the Empire: the Capitoline triad: (1) Jupiter (2) Minerva (3) Juno.
We could also analyze it as three actors: the Holy Trinity:
1) Father: Washington Permanent
2) Son: Anglo-imperial oligarchy
3) Spirit: Media Bubble

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 8:05 utc | 131

“The West” is the abbreviated name for “Club of heirs of the British Empire” (USA, Canada, UK, EU, Aus, NZ) latest version of the Roman Empire.
Their Mental Software was and is an over and over again renewed Fusion of Roman imperial ideology and bloody Aramaic Fantasies.
The first Fusion (ca. 400/1492-) was called “Christianity”, a cruel historical joke for the “Christians” (40-300)
To the last version (1967-) i do not know what name we could give it, i propose as a provisional name Biblical Fascism, or Roman-Biblical Fascism, others have proposed the accurate expression Anglo-Zionist empire for this last version of the empire of the Romans.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 8:24 utc | 132

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2024 1:43 utc | 118
Nope, just telling the truth as per usual.
Tom Luongo and you even posted on b’s blog about it. Want me to find it for you ? Or am I still mis representing you ?
By the way, if Elvira Nabiullina keeps hiking rates I will be right about her also. So get your excuses in early. Again, reading Michael Hudson’s work. How on earth you think she is wonderful is beyond me.
There’s being pro Russian and pro Russian economy karlof1 but
Tom Luongo and Elvira Nabiullina. Nah, you’ve jumped the shark with those two.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 8:28 utc | 133

Simon | Mar 21 2024 8:24 utc | 133
The holy Roman empire. The participants of the treaties of Westphalia. That is the ‘west’ and the culture.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 8:28 utc | 134

Another possibility that occurs to me is that perhaps the correct name of the last Fusion (1967-) is simply Zionism on a Global Scale.
The Original Software was designed by accountants and storytellers to justify an Aramaic ruling class.
Its scope of application was “Those people you are going to dispossess” (Deuteronomie) in “the land of Canaan”.
But after the Fusion with Rome the Mental Software last version 1967/1991 … we could rightly call it Zionism on a large scale, on an Imperial scale or on a Global scale
We are all Palestinians to a greater or lesser extent, we are subjugated population, “people of the land” (“am ha’eretz”)

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 8:43 utc | 135

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2024 1:43 utc | 118
Even went to great lengths to explain Target2 and the capital key to help you. As you were jumping the shark with Tom Luongo.
What thanks did I get ?
” Chamberpot” an emotional response when one’s worldview is completely shattered.
Of course, Being a big hairy Glaswegian you know fine well that doesn’t bother me. Water off a ducks back. “Chamberpot” was for the groups benefit not mine wasn’t it.
What are you 12? Nah, just showing GROUPTHINK behaviour.
As per usual, if somebody has the sheer audacity to challenge your world view. You try to get the group on your side to circle the wagon’s.
You are an adult Karlof, have the convictions to stand up for yourself. Jumping the shark with Tom Luongo and Elvira Nabiullina I know 100% you don’t understand Michael Hudson’s work.
Want to debate it ?
Or roll around in a school yard ?
The ECB has already confirmed MMT was 100% right again anyway. That’s another debate you’ve already lost. Or am I still misrepresenting you ?

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 8:55 utc | 136

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2024 1:43 utc | 118
I don’t ask for much. A simple thank you would have done Karlof.
Instead of sticking yer head up your own ass in denial.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 9:05 utc | 137

Note the exact parallel between Tiberius Gracchus (and his brother) and JFK (and his brother).
This old Mediterranean movie of Romans has been shown a lot of times on TV.
It is spectacular how we go around the Ferris wheel like donkeys.
Note, for example, the case of Cayetano Ripoll.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayetano_Ripoll
King Ferdinand VII = Pontius Pilate doing theater, and then (70-) with the help of the narrator they wash his hands. Exactly the same: King Ferdinand VII does not appear as responsible for hanging Cayetano Ripoll.
The power in the shadow, the Supreme Pontiff in Rome = the power in the shadow, the sadducean Supreme Pontiff Anas/Ananas the Elder
Bishop of Valencia = Caiaphas, son-in-law of Anas/Ananas the Elder

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 9:17 utc | 138

Therefore
This old Romans movie ultimately boils down to one issue: the colossal power of the Dollar.
This is the Question

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 9:20 utc | 139

Simon | Mar 21 2024 9:20 utc | 140
It is the culture behind the dollar that is the problem.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 9:26 utc | 140

I mean
The dynamic is inertial, we one billion ordinary people have no power, and the reins of the imperial Beast is in the hands of our Bosses: a bunch of blind fanatics, narcissists, cynics, psychopaths and sociopaths.
So why talk about details and the music of the Titanic’s orchestra.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 9:37 utc | 141

Hello fellow barflies. I am up taking 15 year old narcotics for a pain management spike….sigh I have arthroscopic surgery on April 8th for my left shoulder and then there is the right one to repair again as well next year….grin….don’t ever get hit by a truck riding your bicycle….and live.
While I am up I decided to check out the international gold prices and along with lots of volatility there is the Shanghai gold exchange that has prices that are again around $70 higher than the London gold exchange where the difference was only $30 or so over the last weekend.
At some point I see the price of gold indicating capitulation by the God Of Mammon cult. When that happens, drinks at the bar are on me.
Back to bed, perchance to sleep…….

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 21 2024 9:37 utc | 142

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 21 2024 9:37 utc | 143
The Shanghai exchange keeps dragging the price of gold and silver higher. The COMEX paper/future price reluctantly follows.
I recently read a claim that western financial banks went more shorting gold and silver, but despite that the price continues to go up due to permanent demand from China.
At this point the gold and silver is partially an inflation hedge and partially a hedge against out-of-control government expenditure, but if you think about it, those two things are actually connected.
Now the new 4% interest rate is the new normal, i.e. old 2% interest rate.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2024 9:39 utc | 143

“For sheer entertainment value alone, canuk should be kept as a pet. He always cheers up my day.”
Posted by: Echo Chamberpot | Mar 20 2024 17:13 utc | 23
This should cheer you up- gold, your ‘barbarous relic’ is over $2,200 per ounce this morning:
SPOT MARKET IS OPEN
Will CLOSE in 11 hrs. 5 mins.
Mar 21, 2024 5:56 AM NY Time
Bid/Ask
2,203.40
2,204.40
Low/High
2,195.20
2,209.60

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 9:58 utc | 144

Gold. The US came out of WWII with 75% of the worlds wealth and the dollar was backed by gold. By the late fifties – early seventies, that wealth had gone and they needed more currency than they had gold to cover. A deal with the saudis and a few other machinations and the petrodollar emerged which relied on world oil trade being conducted in American dollars. The US military was used to enforce this.
So a dollar backed by military power rather than gold. The military power is now gone, the Saudi’s are now selling oil for yuan and I would assume another currency or two.
And central banks in Borrel’s jungle are buying gold.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 9:59 utc | 145

“It is amazing they actually get away with calling it the national debt. Orwell would be spinning in his grave.
When it is really in the main national savings.”
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 20 2024 17:53 utc | 31
“If the bonds are owned by people within the country, you could (kinda) call it national savings, yes.
But that’s like Keynes’ facile argument “we only owe it to ourselves” – the debt is fiat currency and has to be paid back, and not usually by the people who benefitted from the spending.
Government debt loads up debt on the shoulders of future generations for the consumption spending of people today.
It’s highly immoral.
Posted by: Observer | Mar 20 2024 18:13 utc | 32
Very astute post; Echo Chamberpot get easily and chronically confused between black ink and red ink.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 10:02 utc | 146

“I am flabbergasted.
Posted by: canuck | Mar 20 2024 17:42 utc | 28
When they can’t debate you on facts, they resort to slurs.
I’m always amused how the far-Left are so ready to sling around the term “fascism” as an insult. It’s like Ted Bundy dismissing someone as a “murderer”.
As appalling as fascism is, its death counts pale in comparison to communists’.
Note: not that I’m calling you a fascist, I hasten to add.
Posted by: Observer | Mar 20 2024 18:19 utc | 33
Another astute post, thanks.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 10:04 utc | 147

I believe DunGroanin was referring to the mammoth anti-war protests again the Iraq that took place in Europe and elsewhere in 2002 before the 2003 war.
It did no good than, and probably won’t now.
Posted by: canuck | Mar 20 2024 15:47 utc | 7
——————–
Good thing the British armed forces are a husk compared to twenty years ago & no-one would show up if mobilized then.
Atomised s**t-lib selfishness & moribund political institutions, do have that unintentional upside.
The regimes are too incompetent to wage WW3.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 21 2024 10:12 utc | 148

“You say “they” financed the Bolsheviks and the Nazis, which indicates you’re a racialist seeing a certain ethnic group as behind both authoritarian capitalism and Marxist Socialism. Hitler actually used to make very similar arguments pointing to the Rothschilds and the Bolsheviks as essentially the same group playing both sides and hedging their bets.
Also, the Russian Revolution was not intended, nor did it result in the break up of the Soviet Union. In fact it made it a massive world power and provided all that military equipment, know how, industrial base, etc, etc, which allows it to fend off US imperialism today, something no country has done since.. the Soviet Union.
I’m guessing you’re in your 60s or 70s and drank deeply from the red scare propaganda. Work on that.”
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 20 2024 19:36 utc | 38
Hitler was right the Powers that Be were hedging their bets; always have, always will.
Yes, Russia turned into a super power eventually, thanks to Stalin’s deft handling of the Empire but in 1917 getting the Bolsheviks in power by the City and Wall Street was to make it weaker by putting in Bolshevism a Russian civil war would ensue as it did and the West intended to militarily defeat Russia (1). So they sent in troops and if the White Russians had prevailed Russia would be in submission to the West in 1919 as surely as Yeltsin was submissive to the West in 1995.
So the ruse failed: TRIGGER WARNING: its a much more complex historic event than the simplistic, idealistic model you proffer.
1. The perception of betrayal removed whatever reservations the Allied Powers had about overthrowing the Bolsheviks. According to William Henry Chamberlin, even before Brest-Litovsk, “Downing Street contemplated a protectorate over the Caucasus and the Quai d’Orsay over Crimea, Bessarabia and Ukraine” and began negotiating deals for funding White generals to bring them into being. R. H. Bruce Lockhart and another British agent and a French official in Moscow tried to organize a coup that would overthrow the Bolshevik regime. They were dealing with double agents and were exposed and arrested.[28] French and British support for the Whites was also motivated by a desire to protect the assets they had acquired through extensive investment in Tsarist Russia.[29]”

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 10:17 utc | 149

@ Echo Chamber
Take it Easy ! EC 😏.
This is the open thread and I’m happy to talk about Money as well as Religion and Politics.
I’m especially impressed how EVERYONE has ignored my take down of self declared ‘Socialists’ in my o/p ! The ones who claim to be hardcore, and are supposedly gearing up for a general election with an anti-war side order, but are not so secretly hoping and wishing for a demise of Russia and China ! Their job is to usher in the other controlled cheek of the two party system which needs to show every now and then that it is doing what it says on the tin . Just a show.
Anyway – as you are here, do you have any response to my suggestion as to why the higher rates are necessary in the RF? Beyond the western lie of controlling inflation?
There is full employment. I guess they could easily accommodate much economic migration!
They have Increasing wages to attract workers (which in itself is ‘inflationary’.)
Therefore there is more disposable income.
Which would be inflationary if there were limited supplies for purchase of anything.
There appears to be no limitations on necessities does there?
Housing, education, health – ditto being generally state provided.
( unless luxury / desirable housing is in greater demand – in which case higher mortgage rates would dampen that ?)
How about luxuries?
Foreign vehicles, External travel ? Washing machines with western microchips? 😜
I don’t see that the useless sanctions do anything – everything is doable indirectly through third parties/countries. Merchants are as ancient as any human profession. Including selling oil/gas/fertiliser etc and buying Mercedes and Rolls Royces and even the useless electric vehicles that Elon sells (have you seen how much the cost of replacing batteries is?)
So it comes down to how to save and invest the spare disposable income with security and growth, I suggest.
Up until the sanctions it was straight forward to transfer it abroad as bricks and mortar purchases in various cities and countries, luxury purchases or even just as foreign currency bank deposits.
So to avoid actual masses of cash being smuggled out to buy £,$,¥,€ or investing in over inflated foreign and local stock markets – it is best to encourage SAVINGS at home and not just as a tool to stop panic cash withdrawals!
“Deposit Interest Rate in Russia increased to 14.49 percent in January from 12.89 percent in December of 2023. Deposit Interest Rate in Russia averaged 8.02 percent from 1995 until 2024, reaching an all time high of 101.96 percent in December of 1995 and a record low of 3.21 percent in February of 2021. source: Central Bank of Russia”
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/deposit-interest-rate
Is it working ?
Seems to be spectacularly! Exponentially even.
Gross domestic savings are calculated as GDP less final consumption expenditure (total consumption). Data are in current local currency.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDS.TOTL.CN?locations=RU
You or others might make more sense out of the various statistics – as long as they are upto date.
Nabullina early on offered to resign when the rouble spiked against world currency with the first sanctions package – but it seems her bosses and their international partners had expected the worst and planned accordingly, avoiding the Bankers Death Star weapon.
She seemed to have been kept out of their loop for her good (I guess ? ) and her resignation was not accepted – she was needed to do her bit not for the SMO but to bring about the POLYCENTRIC financial world order!
Do you follow? I have had doubts about the economic narrative that interest rates control inflation in our fake Monetarist West. That with credit and variable mortgages it actually drives inflation here. And why it’s different for the Russians.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 21 2024 10:18 utc | 150

canuck | Mar 21 2024 10:17 utc | 150
Communism was and exception threat to the western/European elite. Like a disease that could spread through the peasants.
Perfidious albion were very adept anglers. paying out line when needed to keep the fish on the hook and prevent the line breaking then as the fish tired it was reeled back in.
In the west, peak cold war was more or less peak democracy and wealth equality. As the thread of communism receded, democracy and wealth equality was reeled back in. Privatization, wealth began moving from the working and middle class peasant to the chosen, rights began to be removed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 10:27 utc | 151

From 2003 to 2025
“the mammoth anti-war protests again the Iraq that took place in Europe and elsewhere in 2002 before the 2003 war.”
This
Around 1998, it was confirmed that Iraq no longer had any weapons of mass destruction projects, and with this information it was decided to destroy Iraq because it was a low risk, and the right occasion was awaited.
The Chief Cook, Joe Biden, since those dates is in charge of selling the idea of destroying Iraq, and later the Likud in the congress in front of the television cameras will ask for the destruction of Iraq.
And there the kids from Kansas and Arkansas went to kill and die.
The waiters (Bush 2…) were booed… and the cooks were promoted.
Let’s go (1998-, 2003-) to unleash Chaos and Terror in Iraq and send a million Iraqis to hell… Let’s go (2008-, 2014-, 2021-) to sacrifice half a million Ukrainian pawns in the Ukraine Gambit …
What has changed is that now (ca. 2025) the Mental Media Bubble is Colossal and the plebs, we, are now medieval peasants.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 10:27 utc | 152

“So, not only can “barbarians” suppress rioting US citizens, they can be shipped out to “defend vital interests” in wars the Senate barely knows about.”
Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 20 2024 22:33 utc | 69
What is happening in the United States happened in Rome, 2,000 years ago. Tenny Frank, one of my favourite historians has this to say:
“Rome and the Latin West were inundated by Greek and oriental slaves who, as they became emancipated and achieved citizenship, changed the character of the Latin West. He has estimated that, ultimately, ninety percent of Rome’s inhabitants were of foreign origin and that this ‘orientalizing of Rome’s populace has a more important bearing than is usually accorded it upon the larger question of why the spirit and acts of imperial Rome are totally different from those of the republic,’ a situation that inevitably created the triumph of oriental despotism or absolutism, the popularity of oriental mystery religions, the decline in the quality of Latin literature, and the disappearance of those Romans with a flair for government who had built the empire. Rome’s disintegration is thus explained by ‘the fact that the people who had built Rome had given way to a different race.’’ (1)
1. Tenney Frank, “A History of Rome, pg 442, 1923.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 10:29 utc | 153

“Leftists have a vested interest in minimizing the harm done. Many of your 27,000,000 ‘killed by Nazis’ died at Stalin’s hands. And those offering up Russia as an example of the danger of violent revolutions, or ideological movements of any stripe, or in my case extreme materialism, are unfairly accused of acting in bad faith or supporting imperialism.
Respectfully, the bad faith is coming from those like yourself unwilling to accept how terror-fully things went down. Even if the revolutionaries believed they were building a better world, they indubitably perpetrated mass murder to achieve that end. You can argue the numbers but if you are halfway honest you still end up with millions. Murdered.
Because this reflects poorly on your leftist beliefs you prefer to go unchallenged in friendly echo chambers arrogantly insulting those who don’t buy your whitewashed versions of history. Such willful ignorance and denial may well be facilitating the next bloodbath.”
Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 20 2024 22:57 utc | 72
Excellent post-one can always tell when the Leftists are losing an argument they get personal, emotional and reject any sembalnce logic.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 10:32 utc | 154

@ Posted by: canuck
Haven’t you gone to bed ? Or are you up early? Drunk?
Did you miss my reply to the can’t help himself stinger, the unseeing Observer and now to EC? I have seen that silenced most for most of the day. Guess their waiting for an updated script to ply today.
So Canuk. What is it with this posturing?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 21 2024 10:32 utc | 155

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 10:29 utc | 154
Nice find 🙂

Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 21 2024 10:34 utc | 156

@ dungroanin
i repied to your post @ 36. see my response @ 44.. perhaps you’d care to comment?

Posted by: james | Mar 21 2024 10:36 utc | 157

DunGroanin | Mar 21 2024 10:18 utc | 151
Thanks for that post. I had wondered about the reasons for seemingly high interest on loans, but did not know about the also high interest payed on deposits.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 10:37 utc | 158

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 20 2024 23:30 utc | 79
“So I take it you refuse to read the accounts by a journalist on the scene in both Russia and Ukraine because Ukraine has nothing to do with Russia? Like Stalin’s jurisdiction ended there?
What are you afraid of, Tom Q Collins? It’s just words on pages written from 1930 – 1933 by someone who was actually there.
Which you were not!”
Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 20 2024 23:48 utc | 89
Tom is, unconsciously, intensely terrified to discover that his precious ideological God is only just another ‘ism’ that the Powers that Be cleverly employ to manipulate, control and pillage the Serfs.
Tom , unconsciously, engages in a Freudian projection , projecting his fears emotionally on the ‘others'(you and me for example) who do not worship on the altar of his Ideology.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 10:41 utc | 159

America
America has managed to impose its Bubble of fantasies and stories and its political Show industry.
Now, “USA, Canada, UK, EU, Aus” are with total accuracy (seen from the outside) the best Show: The Truman Show.
It was precisely in 2003 when i woke up and realized that i was living inside a Fantasy, a dark Cave, Plato would say.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 10:42 utc | 160

@ tom collins
thanks for your commentary and posts on the holomodor.. it is mildly entertaining for anyone following this thread closely and casts a pale light on some too.

Posted by: james | Mar 21 2024 10:46 utc | 161

Posted by: canuck | Mar 20 2024 23:55 utc | 92
You still haven’t said who the “leftist” is in your ‘equation’ re: The Maidan. Which person or parties involved were leftists?
Wait, you’re calling Schiff a LEFTIST? LMFAO, I hope I’m misinterpreting you.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 20 2024 23:57 utc | 96
This is my last explanation to you-read what I wrote more carefully: I did not say Schiff was a Leftist I said he supported the Leftists as a tool to topple Russia, engender a civil war such that the West would break up Russia which they indeed tried to do.
Nuland used Fascism to do the same thing.
Neither Nuland or Schiff were ideologues they just used ideology to gain power.
END OF SUBJECT

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 10:48 utc | 162

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 10:29 utc | 154
I looked in the book for the word “flair” and did not find it.
https://ia904702.us.archive.org/15/items/historyofrome0000tenn/historyofrome0000tenn.pdf
Did the same for “mystery” to locate “oriental mystery”. No luck locating it.
So I’m not sure from where you found the section you quoted in # 154

Posted by: Tom_12 | Mar 21 2024 10:53 utc | 163

Excellent post-one can always tell when the Leftists are losing an argument they get personal, emotional and reject any sembalnce logic.
Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 10:32 utc | 155
——————
Trouble is contemporary “anti-Soviet” historical narratives, are used almost solely as black-propaganda to demonize modern Russia.
That’s before you even get into, the metric-tons of bulls**t in statistical terms. That would shame Soviet central planners.
According to de-facto fascist apologists the Soviets had a higher-ratio than the Khmer Rouge and STILL won WW2, which shows how s**t the nazis were on their own avowed terms.
So there’s every reason to reject current “Stalin bad GULAG-porn” on grounds of bad faith & taste alone.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 21 2024 10:55 utc | 164

“Rome’s disintegration is thus explained by ‘the fact that the people who had built Rome had given way to a different race.”

Sorry, but this is colossal nonsense but very significant for the times we live in: Palestine was destroyed by a wave of very violent emigrants led by Ukrainian and Polish fascists, on the other hand certainly Jewish fascism in the West presents itself under a progressive mask (and also under a troglodyte mask.) But in this specific question it is impossible to carry the comparison back to the year 400.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 10:57 utc | 165

America
America has managed to impose its Bubble of fantasies and stories and its political Show industry.
Now, “USA, Canada, UK, EU, Aus” are with total accuracy (seen from the outside) the best Show: The Truman Show.
It was precisely in 2003 when i woke up and realized that i was living inside a Fantasy, a dark Cave, Plato would say.
Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 10:42 utc | 161
I liked the ‘Truman Show’ but I prefer Schopenhauer’s take on it better:
“”The world is my idea”:-this is a truth which holds for everything that lives and knows, though man alone can bring it in to reflective and consciousness. If he really does this , he has attained to philosophical wisdom. It then becomes clear and certain to him that what he knows is not a sun and an earth , but only an eye that sees the sun, a hand that feels the earth; the world surrounds him as an idea ie in relation to something else, the consciousness , which is himself…””

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 11:03 utc | 166

If we compare the Roman army with the Chinese army of those times we see how ridiculous the Western grandiloquence built from the 19th century, projecting backwards, is.
The Roman army was a meat grinding machine for not very large tribes. When a real army like the one formed by the Goths arrived, the Romans were defeated. Period.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 11:07 utc | 167

“@ Posted by: canuck
Haven’t you gone to bed ? Or are you up early? Drunk?
Did you miss my reply to the can’t help himself stinger, the unseeing Observer and now to EC? I have seen that silenced most for most of the day. Guess their waiting for an updated script to ply today.
So Canuk. What is it with this posturing?”
Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 21 2024 10:32 utc | 156
As a kid working on the farm we got up at military dawn-one hour before the sun rises. So very fucking morning, like it or not, no matter what time I go to bed 55 years later I get up at 5 am, sometimes earlier during the summer, every day-old habits never die.
I saw your posts but I am not a fan of MMT, you are, and I am a bit hesitant to take you on as your rhetorical skills are much superior to mine as well as more biting…
I did drink 4 Duvels last night at 8% alcohol -I had a bit of a buzz, but feel fine this morning. I would like to get some coffee going but the wife (“the One Who Must Be Obeyed”) gets up in normal times and she likes her coffee fresh-I hear her rumbling I’ll get to preparing the beans…

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 11:13 utc | 168

Evidently
Evidently some people of the plebs of the subjected nations complain, and say:
-we cannot be even moderately patriotic, let alone nationalist; but our Bosses can have as their bedside books the book of Joshua and the book of Deuteronomy: a bloody horde that worships itself as the primordial horde of “the blonde beast.”
So the situation in this colossal, glorious and deadly empire, last version of the empire of the Romans, is certainly disconcerting.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 11:23 utc | 169

@ Posted by: james | Mar 21 2024 10:36 utc | 158
Re Posted by: james | Mar 20 2024 20:06 utc | 44
james, I don’t know what Murphy thinks of Hudson. The site is open for questions. He might answer you.
I don’t know what Hudson thinks of Murphy either.
I don’t know what your question has to do with me pointing out the fallacy of Outsider talking nonsense about National Debt of a fiat currency state.
Do you agree with him or the professor?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 21 2024 11:34 utc | 170

“If we compare the Roman army with the Chinese army of those times we see how ridiculous the Western grandiloquence built from the 19th century, projecting backwards, is.
The Roman army was a meat grinding machine for not very large tribes. When a real army like the one formed by the Goths arrived, the Romans were defeated. Period.”
Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 11:07 utc | 168
You don’t now much about Roman history.
The Romans had much more severe enemies than the 5th century Goths. The Goths whom in 309 BC invaded Rome; in 167 BC when Ameillius Paullus overtook the Macedonian phalanx with the Roman legion; The Carthaginians in the three Punic wars in the 3rd century BC; the Persians who killed Crassus and his army in 53 BC; the Germans in 9 AD who killed three Roman legions in the Teutoburg forest.
For about 1,000 years Rome’s armies were the best. Period.
The Goths army that you mentioned were trained by Romans.
Sorry you are way over your head in this subject.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 11:56 utc | 171

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 11:13 utc | 169
‘SHE’ who must be obeyed. Read up more Mortimer , he had humane sensibilities, like Dickens. Real people with real experiences and real messages. Great stories too that will always be relevant.
8% beers! You need a bit of body mass to deal with that. Me never having had much except round the beer belly now, would feel quite heady after a half pint of that stuff.
I usually get back to sleep after tea and toast – no one pays me to get up early nowadays and I try to avoid posting ducal driven drivel whilst half asleep. 🤪

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 21 2024 12:01 utc | 172

If we compare the Roman army with the Chinese army of those times we see how ridiculous the Western grandiloquence built from the 19th century, projecting backwards, is.
The Roman army was a meat grinding machine for not very large tribes. When a real army like the one formed by the Goths arrived, the Romans were defeated. Period.
Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 11:07 utc | 168
———————-
Chronic political dysfunction, economic crisis and demographic collapse in key provinces did all that.
If the Romans didn’t have an effective military, they wouldn’t have expanded or survived the way they did.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 21 2024 12:06 utc | 173

“Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 11:13 utc | 169
‘SHE’ who must be obeyed. Read up more Mortimer , he had humane sensibilities, like Dickens. Real people with real experiences and real messages. Great stories too that will always be relevant.
8% beers! You need a bit of body mass to deal with that. Me never having had much except round the beer belly now, would feel quite heady after a half pint of that stuff.
I usually get back to sleep after tea and toast – no one pays me to get up early nowadays and I try to avoid posting ducal driven drivel whilst half asleep. 🤪”
Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 21 2024 12:01 utc | 173
Yeah, I missed the ‘she’.
I was 270 pounds , now 200-last year I followed my guru, Dr. Jamnadas- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuOvn4UqznU-where I eat once a day, sometimes fast for 2 or 3 days.
No sugar, no rice, potatoes, no bread never any processed food- I eat mostly meat, cheeses, eggs, nuts, the wife’s chicken broth…
In a Harvard Study if one fasts for 7 days your chance of getting cancer is reduced by 70% (1)
I still drink (though not when fasting), I always could -my Irish blood seems to metabolize the stuff quite efficiently.
She Who Must Obeyed told me I was too fat. When I lost the weight She told me I was emaciated I had lost all my muscle. When I told her that I started doing pushups (5 sets every 2 days)in 5 sets I could only do 73 when I was 270 , now I’m up to 145.
She calmly replied: ” You’ve lost 70 pounds you aren’t pushing that much weight anymore…”
Sigh…..34 years of marriage…..
1. Jason Fung :” ‘When the body senses the temporary absence of nutrients, it must prioritize which cellular parts to keep. The oldest and most worn-out cells get discarded, and amino acids from the broken-down cell parts are delivered to the liver, which uses them to create glucose during gluconeogenesis – a natural process in the body that helps to maintain stable blood sugar levels. Cancer may be a result of what’s called ‘disordered autophagy’. We’re learning that this process plays a role in cancer biology, and products that inhibit this process have been approved by the Food & Drug Administration in the US for the treatment of cancers. Fasting’s role in stimulating autophagy provides an opportunity to prevent cancer. And that’s why Dr Seyfried proposes a yearly seven-day water-only fast.” (2)
2. https://uk.rsng.com/categories/money/articles/could-7-days-of-fasting-protect-against-cancer

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 12:27 utc | 174

@ 171 dungroanin
thanks..yes, i could ask him directly and might do so when i am back home in the next week or so..
i don’t have an answer to your question, mostly as i think there is a lot of fog over these topics and they are not easy to make hard and fast conclusions on them.. someone can be very good at explaining something and yet not see the whole picture.. thus i remain on the fence here.. but i do agree strongly with michael hudsons views on finance more generally.. cheers.

Posted by: james | Mar 21 2024 12:37 utc | 175

Of course the Romans had a good army. What i wanted to point out is that there is no mystery in the collapse of Rome power in the West.
The Goths army took away land and fiscal resources, the slaves abandoned the plantations, and with three or four iterations of this process one day the legions disappeared.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 12:43 utc | 176

Even without much exaggeration perhaps maybe one could say:
(A) the Roman army was defeated by (B) an army defeated by (C) those who had been defeated by (D) the Chinese army

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 12:46 utc | 177

“Chronic political dysfunction, economic crisis and demographic collapse in key provinces did all that.
If the Romans didn’t have an effective military, they wouldn’t have expanded or survived the way they did.”
Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 21 2024 12:06 utc | 174
No, the Roman Empire fell because of:
“Rome and the Latin West were inundated by Greek and oriental slaves who, as they became emancipated and achieved citizenship, changed the character of the Latin West. Tenny Frank has estimated that, ultimately, ninety percent of Rome’s inhabitants were of foreign origin and that this ‘orientalizing of Rome’s populace has a more important bearing than is usually accorded it upon the larger question of why the spirit and acts of imperial Rome are totally different from those of the republic,’ a situation that inevitably created the triumph of oriental despotism or absolutism, the popularity of oriental mystery religions, the decline in the quality of Latin literature, and the disappearance of those Romans with a flair for government who had built the empire. Rome’s disintegration is thus explained by ‘the fact that the people who had built Rome had given way to a different race.’’ (1)
1. Tenney Frank, “A History of Rome, pg 442, 1923.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 12:51 utc | 178

And without much exaggeration it can be said that in some places in the West the collapse of imperial power meant a revival and a golden age for societies of free men (ca. 600-1033)
A paradise for someone from Texas or Montana to express something complex in a simple way.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 13:07 utc | 179

Just conjecture, but while it appears RF will be having gains all along the line, where-if a major offensive would occur if the war alters from attritional to positional – I would guess Nikolayev and then to Odessa. Just watched (again) Hable con ella (Talk to her) and while RF is not going to go that way like a bull with a red cloth in front of it because of putative French, Romanian, etc soldiers, mercs, but a Gaza style slaughter via ukr in Transnistria possibility might tip the balance.

Posted by: paxmark1 | Mar 21 2024 14:25 utc | 180

The Egyptian priests
The Egyptian priests were the first to learn to manage crowds, large amounts of people, and they did it with what they called “word of God”:
“word” is symbolized by a stick for beating slaves.
“God” is a flag waving in the wind.
Stick + Flag = 1914
In the golden age of free men (ca. 600-1033) there were wars with 1 death: face to face two tiny armies of two tiny kingdoms: the two leaders with spears … spur their horses and… crash.
-Well, your boss is better than mine.
simple, efficient, economical

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 14:29 utc | 181

In the golden age of free men the Gods were of cosmic size, and were “above the heads of all men.”
By this i mean that the so-called religions (universal religions) were actually a small parenthesis (600-1033) in the history of the flag-gods, which is the bulk of the history of the gods.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 14:35 utc | 182

All these somersaults and reflections are to get to what interests me: the two points of view to justify power.
It is tremendous that in this Empire full of technology we have to discuss the most basic things.
Barbarism vs. Civilization
pure Barbarism is the book of Joshua and the book of Deuteronomy: the power of a bloody horde that worships itself.
Civilization is recognizing as Citizenship the population of the dominated territory.
And enough of the joke of saying that it is justified to have people without civil rights and under military domination in ghettos (like the Warsaw ghetto or the Palestinian ghettos) because they have an autonomous administration.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 21 2024 14:45 utc | 183

“Below are links to 2 postings at Wall Street On parade showing that economic decline is happening but hidden now
During Spring Bank Panic of 2023, Liquidity Advances from FHLBs Topped Those of Q4 2008, when Wall Street Was in Collapse
More Failed Banks and Office Building Demolitions Likely Before Real Estate Problems End, Warn Two Federal Agencies”
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 21 2024 16:26 utc | 185
You are right on!
Funny thing is I know some guys at big commercial real estate firms in NY-they are doing fine, lots of cash as they hung all the banks out to dry, over trillion dollars worth and they aren’t buying any property their money is going elsewhere..
They are now going in mining that cycle is just starting..
We are on threshold of a crash-look at the price of gold, new highs last I saw it was $2204

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 17:06 utc | 185

https://www.rt.com/news/594637-russian-frozen-assets-scholz/
I wonder if the taking of Russian Assets is an act of war against Russia? If so does that act of war provide sufficient justification for Russia to attack the NATO nations that use their money? I am trying to see if this kind of behavior establishes a legal president, not trying to help Russia justify an attack …
So is taking or holding against their will, a nations money, an act of war under international law?

Posted by: snake | Mar 21 2024 17:45 utc | 186

Hey b,
If you’re still checking in on this thread, do a story on this
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/21/australia-moves-to-prop-up-aukus-with-46bn-pledge-to-help-clear-rolls-royce-nuclear-reactor-bottlenecks-in-uk
I am raging right now in utter disbelief at how fucking stupid my country is.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 21 2024 18:07 utc | 187

FUKUS
[Fuck UK, US]
no MORE ‘What a beautiful sight to behold for you’. !
Might as well close down your 3000 diplomats spooks
embassy safe house.
Just fuck off.
Goodbye and good riddance !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Q5WlIvDto

Posted by: denk | Mar 21 2024 18:13 utc | 188

“I wonder if the taking of Russian Assets is an act of war against Russia? If so does that act of war provide sufficient justification for Russia to attack the NATO nations that use their money? I am trying to see if this kind of behavior establishes a legal president, not trying to help Russia justify an attack …
So is taking or holding against their will, a nations money, an act of war under international law?”
Posted by: snake | Mar 21 2024 17:45 utc | 187
From what I understand , and please if someone knows more [ literally everybody, editor] kindly correct my idea: Western companies has=ve more than $600 billion in assets in Russia such that if the West confiscated their foreign reserves Russia grabs the Western country’s assets.
Putin judo.
On the other hand the insurance company that insured Nord Steam II (the stupidist insurance man in history of insurance must have done that ‘guarantee’)is refusing to pay.
Russia has sued -the ensuing investigation the insurance company whitewashes it Putin just adds it onto the Western bill and extracts that cost with Western companies’ Russian domiciled assets.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 18:28 utc | 189

Turkish central bank stuns market by hiking interest rates to 50%
Ha,ha,ha,ha,
Erdogan saving his private bankers.
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=48895
Watch what happens – Argentina.
Lot of money to be made here if you completely fade the zombies in the markets.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 19:53 utc | 190

> Stoolberg, Fascist ZionaziShits each and everyone for generations of their families, now running around the world spinning the plates of War.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 20 2024 15:01 utc | 4
Why do you call him Stoolberg?
The savior of Nato/ the West- and the Norwegian Public Wealth fund

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Mar 21 2024 19:53 utc | 191

The very last thing any sane Russian wants to hear.
Elvira Nabiullina stuns market by hiking interest rates to 20%.
Turkish central bank = clueless.
Will Elvira follow suit ?
Find out by tuning in to the next episode of the interest price spiral.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 20:11 utc | 192

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 4:14 utc | 126
Winding my way backward through all of the comments here seemed a bit like crossing the outback, but worth it in the end. Yes, Plato does think keeping up one’s spirits is a good thing in good company – the Spartans didn’t, apparently.
As far as comparing the US to Rome, (sorry, I forget who was doing that, must have been about when I was crossing the Darling) I much prefer Putin’s take that we are repeating Russia’s mistakes only with US characteristics. That way we don’t need to get into the weeds of history. Visions of Humphrey Bogart wading into the tall grass dragging the African Queen, Katherine Hepburn aboard, leeches aplenty – Ugh! I did get a leech between my toes once in a Queensland rainforest. No thank you.
But I digress. Thank you, Peter AU1. Right back atcha.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 21 2024 20:44 utc | 193

A lot of madness prevailing in the west now. I thought the likes of Stoltenberg and Scholz were bad but the bimbos are saying nuclear war is nothing to be afraid of.
With Nato defeat in Ukraine and western financials getting harder and harder to prop up, there appears to be a race to get large war with Russia and china going before the whole western house of cards collapses. Desperation everywhere over the last week or so.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 20:44 utc | 194

The chamberpot’s lying again. There’s no increase in Russia’s prime rate. Turkey did raise its rate to 50% as Ria Novosti reported. But setting things straight isn’t what I intended. “China’s homegrown hydrogen-powered train completes test run at 160 km/h” is what I wanted to share. China’s development and use of fuel cell powered vehicles now includes trains along with buses, trams, and cars. For fuel cell powered autos, a widespread fueling station infrastructure will be required to advance their sales.
There won’t be any need for the Outlaw US Empire to ban the importation of fuel cell powered cars as it has no way to fuel them, and most likely never will.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2024 21:06 utc | 195

Posted by: snake | Mar 21 2024 1:39 utc | 117
Masterful post; I salute.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 21:14 utc | 196

“There won’t be any need for the Outlaw US Empire to ban the importation of fuel cell powered cars as it has no way to fuel them, and most likely never will.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2024 21:06 utc | 196
Amen.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 21:15 utc | 197

@Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 21 2024 16:26 utc | 185
That’s why Fed Chairman Powell did his “see no inflation, hear no inflation, speak of no inflation” little incredible dance at his recent post-interest rate setting speech. Its obvious that the financial system is creaking and groaning in its post 2010s QE party (and the 2020-2022 blow off) hangover period, that’s why the US government turned on the fiscal spigot and Powell blinked Q4/2022 and Q1/2023. Even that couldn’t stop the Q2/2023 bank panic so Powell opened the monetary spigots wide and reined in any further interest rate rises.
Monetary conditions are now incredibly loose when taking into account the roaring stock market and fiscal stimulus is full on, with even more being dreamed up. All to keep the economy buzzing along until the election while things creak and groan underneath. The Federal deficit is 6% of GDP when GDP is growing and the overall funding requirements are huge, so conditions have to be kept loose just so that the government can fun itself. If the government overall debt funding rate went up to anywhere near 5% as it was rolled over, and new debt issued, interest payments would sky rocket.
Powell made it clear that if there were any hiccups along the way then interest rates would be cut, no matter what was happening with inflation. Look at NYCB, we really think thats the only such bank? Also, the QT reduction in some of the huge monetary expansion of the past one and a half decades is going to be dialled back!
Inflation will gain a strong footing (vastly underreported of course so the plebs don’t understand how much they are being financially brutalized) and 2025 will be the crisis year.

Posted by: Roger | Mar 21 2024 21:22 utc | 198

“A lot of madness prevailing in the west now. I thought the likes of Stoltenberg and Scholz were bad but the bimbos are saying nuclear war is nothing to be afraid of.
With Nato defeat in Ukraine and western financials getting harder and harder to prop up, there appears to be a race to get large war with Russia and china going before the whole western house of cards collapses. Desperation everywhere over the last week or so.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 21 2024 20:44 utc | 195
Peter I believe you have grasped the quintessential element: the Elites of the Western world realize the debt window is up-kinda like USSR 1990-and the only way out for the Nobility/ Elite to keep their standing socio-economically is MOAR war.
That is the definition of desperation.
Voting means nothing-Twain said , I might be a bit off, “If they thought voting would change things they wouldn’t let us”

Posted by: canuck | Mar 21 2024 21:27 utc | 199

Nima interviews Orlov and touches on all the hot topics over 40 minutes and is highly recommended. Orlov’s forecast for Europe’s very bleak, but I can’t disagree. I also agree with his outlook on energy for the Outlaw US Empire. I also agree with him on what will happen if Trump wins–nothing as what was done to him during his first term will be repeated.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2024 22:59 utc | 200