Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
March 21, 2024
New York Times Readers Are The Least Informed Ones

One presumes that readers of a media institution which calls itself the 'paper of record' would be informed about an important issue which  in other media has for month led the headlines of the day.

Here are a few examples of such headlines:

Israeli ministers, OXFAM, HRW, the UN, the EU and various other international organizations and politicians say that Israel is blocking aid to Gaza.

Everyone knows this.

Everyone but readers of the New York Times who have yet to receive that information.


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Only for them can such a headline make sense:

The piece tries to obfuscate the naked fact that screams from every other media by claiming that "its complicate".

Why would anyone pay to read such dreck?

Comments

The late great Robert Fisk.
On the NYT.
“Newspapers themselves are to blame for the deterioration in their readership. I read the New York Times when its free, period, it doesn’t deserve to be paid for. It’s not worth it.
It doesn’t matter whether it’s online or not. If a paper’s not worth buying you’ll read for free online regardless.”

Posted by: jpc | Mar 21 2024 20:18 utc | 101

Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 21 2024 18:59 utc | 93
Maybe.
These people who decide to live in the middle of no where have always intrigued me. I like to think they have to moved to the most remotest places in the highlands to get away from the human flock.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 20:22 utc | 102

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you’re chewing on life’s gristle
Don’t grumble, give a whistle
And this’ll help things turn out for the best
And Always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the light side of life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M
Bottoms up!
Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 21 2024 18:16 utc | 88
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I know your comment was meant in jest and to be taken as ‘tongue in cheek’ (at least I hope that was your point) but it is exceedingly difficult to see the bright side of the genocide in Gaza, therefore your comment is just a little off the track.
The near universal acceptance of genocide by starvation, murder and bombing, which has been allowed to continue for the last six month (six fucking months) without a military intervention by any government in the world is disgusting enough, but acceptance of this status quo by the majority of Western governments and the western media is beyond surreal.
Why don’t you sing a song about that KMRIA?

Posted by: Ed | Mar 21 2024 20:26 utc | 103

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you’re chewing on life’s gristle
Don’t grumble, give a whistle
And this’ll help things turn out for the best
And Always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the light side of life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M
Bottoms up!
Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 21 2024 18:16 utc | 88
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I know your comment was meant in jest and to be taken as ‘tongue in cheek’ (at least I hope that was your point) but it is exceedingly difficult to see the bright side of the genocide in Gaza, therefore your comment is just a little off the track.
The near universal acceptance of genocide by starvation, murder and bombing, which has been allowed to continue for the last six month (six fucking months) without a military intervention by any government in the world is disgusting enough, but acceptance of this status quo by the majority of Western governments and the western media is beyond surreal.
Why don’t you sing a song about that KMRIA?

Posted by: Ed | Mar 21 2024 20:26 utc | 104

I had the same reaction yesterday when I saw the headline. Felt a deep stomach ache and wanted to throw up. I assume B probably threw up and cleaned up a few times before composing himself to put his thoughts in writing.
Appreciate your daily acts of courage staring at and drowning in the feculence and writing about it so we can all have just a little more balanced view of the world.

Posted by: Allen | Mar 21 2024 20:28 utc | 105

Posted by: Ed | Mar 21 2024 20:26 utc | 102
Ed, I was responding to another poster who seemed to be unhappy that b was calling out the bullshit of the NYT. The gist of his gripe was we should only be posting hard news rather than analysis/thoughts/feelings. I was disagreeing, in a lighthearted way, trying to make the point that a lot of us come here to find kindred spirits (or a least people who are awake). At least for me, that is a major part of MoA’s draw. Right? Sometimes you have to laugh so you don’t keep crying. It’s good to have this outlet.
Best!

Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 21 2024 20:46 utc | 106

Test

Posted by: jpc | Mar 21 2024 20:46 utc | 107

I would love to hear reactions here to Mike Whitney’s piece up at the Unz Review,
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/whats-bugging-chuck-schumer/
Surprisingly he quotes approvingly (from the POV of getting the Schumer-Netanyahu story right) Tom Friedman in the NYT.

Posted by: Jane | Mar 21 2024 21:03 utc | 108

Egypt does what Israel and the USA want.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 21 2024 13:14 utc | 30
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Is there any kind of civil society in Egypt? Independent NGOs?
Also aren’t there a lot of Pal refugees in Egypt?
Where is the Egyptian “street”?
Posted by: Jane | Mar 21 2024 20:15 utc | 100
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Jane, if you will remember Egypt was caught up in the Arab ‘Spring Uprising’ that began in Tunisia in December 2010 and quickly spread to numerous other Arab nations. In Egypt, protests and strikes began on January 25, 2011, and lasted for 18 days, bringing together various opposition groups in protest against the US and Israeli backed President (dictator) Hosni Mubarak, demanding that he step down immediately, and he did, clearing the way for free elections and in 2012, which Mohammed Morsi, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood (with close relations with Hamas) won handily.
But this pissed Israel off, and the Obama Administration (the weak necked cowered that he was) supported a coup by the head of the military; Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, who later ran for president and won. The dictator al-Sisi, was the opposite of Morsi concerning the Palestinians and al-Sisi was hated by a majority of the people of Egypt, yet recently he won a third term with 89.6% of the votes counted (and if you believe that MP George Galloway in the UK has a bridge in London to sell you cheaply). Of course, Sisi put thousands of the Morsi supporters in prison on trumped up charges and made the Muslim Brotherhood illegal.
Oh well, that is the way democracy works in the US international rules-based order. Isn’t it funny that the Biden Administration and some heads of the EU countries are accusing President Putin of a rigging an election because Putin won with 86% of the votes in last week’s Russian election?

Posted by: Ed | Mar 21 2024 21:23 utc | 109

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 21 2024 11:01 utc | 5
Sorry, what did you say?
I missed that with the the continued bombing of the hospitals, civilians, women and children.

Posted by: Menz | Mar 21 2024 21:23 utc | 110

Muhammad Shehada
@muhammadshehad2
Israel is surgically & methodically assassinating anyone that tries to ensure the safe distribution of aid in Gaza & prevent looting & chaos
In 72 hours, Israel killed 3 top police officials, 24 social workers, & a prominent tribal leader who all worked on securing aid convoys🧵
https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1770499708034613257

Posted by: Menz | Mar 21 2024 21:26 utc | 111

Ed, I was responding to another poster who seemed to be unhappy that b was calling out the bullshit of the NYT. The gist of his gripe was we should only be posting hard news rather than analysis/thoughts/feelings. I was disagreeing, in a lighthearted way, trying to make the point that a lot of us come here to find kindred spirits (or a least people who are awake). At least for me, that is a major part of MoA’s draw. Right? Sometimes you have to laugh so you don’t keep crying. It’s good to have this outlet.
Best!
Posted by: KMRIA | Mar 21 2024 20:46 utc | 104
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Okay, KMRIA, my bad. As I said, I assumed you meant it as ‘tongue in cheek’.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 21 2024 21:27 utc | 112

Muhammad Shehada
@muhammadshehad2
·
Mar 16
Israel severely reprimanded & imprisoned for 3 days an Israeli jailer for giving detained Palestinian leader Marwan Barghouti the same food as Jewish prisoners (a meat stew).
That’s b/c Palestinians detained by Israel are ought to be starved & given less than the bare minimum
https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1768720122695319738

Posted by: Menz | Mar 21 2024 21:33 utc | 113

Here is the archived link to the NYT article that is central to b’s post.
https://archive.is/GDZbg

Why Isn’t More Aid Getting to Gazans?
By Gaya Gupta, Elena Shao, Amy Schoenfeld Walker and Lazaro Gamio
March 20, 2024
Even as international governments and aid agencies try to find air and sea routes for delivering food and supplies to Gaza, experts say land deliveries are still, in theory, the most efficient and cost-effective route.
But the aid getting into Gaza is not meeting the needs of an increasingly desperate and hungry population. As many as 1.1 million people could face deadly levels of hunger by mid-July, according to a new report from a global authority on food crises.
Humanitarian organizations have said that the problem is not a lack of available aid: The United Nations said it has enough food at or near Gaza’s border to feed the enclave’s 2.2 million people. Instead, humanitarian workers say they face challenges at every point in the process of delivering aid, through Israel’s security checkpoints and into an active war zone.
Here are some of the reasons why aid to Gaza has not helped people meet their basic needs so far.
The land delivery route is complex
Just two entry points into the territory are regularly operating, both in the south. Typically, aid must travel dozens of miles and make multiple stops, a process that can take three weeks.

Posted by: librul | Mar 21 2024 21:44 utc | 114

An interview with Robert Fisk the NYT gets a rather dismissive fashion.
2015
https://www.thejournal.ie/robert-fisk-interview-2003562-Mar2015/

Posted by: jpc | Mar 21 2024 21:46 utc | 115

Jane @ 100:
Egypt has been under some form of martial or emergency law, and thus a de facto police state, for the past 40 years at least.
The authorities do this to suppress public protests, among other things. Egyptians have a lot to complain about (rising food prices and deteriorating economic conditions being the main reasons to complain) and you may be sure if they could complain about Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians and the Egyptian government’s responses to the genocide in Gaza, they would.
Egypt: Alarming New Law Expands Military Power amid Fears of Popular Unrest as Economy Deteriorates

On Sunday 28 January 2024, the Egyptian parliament passed a bill on Securing and Protecting the State’s Public and Vital Facilities. The timing of the legislation, and the extensive domestic security powers it grants the military, indicate that Egyptian authorities seek to further transform the military into a police force and use it to suppress potential public discontent or mass protests through expanding their mandate to arrest civilians and refer them to military courts.
The law, which effectively turns the military into an internal security and judicial institution whenever the president deems fit, comes as popular discontent grows amid an economic free fall with soaring inflation, a severe foreign currency shortage, and record high external debt. President Abdelfattah al-Sisi has repeatedly spoken publicly about how he would deploy the military against popular protests, including once where he stated that “there is a plan for the army to deploy across Egypt in six hours.” President Sisi has also often dismissed any potential protest or public show of discontent as ill-intentioned attempts to undermine the state and its stability, most recently in a speech where he said that millions of people could be paid to mobilize on the streets and instigate chaos.
The latest expansion of the military’s powers solidifies the preexisting de facto martial law in Egypt. According to Article 200 of the constitution (amended in 2019), the military is granted broad powers to “preserve the constitution and democracy, protect the basic principles of the state and its civil nature, and protect the people’s rights and freedoms.” The article in effect gave the military powers that transcend those of any other institution, including the Supreme Constitutional Court.
The military has already enjoyed expansive powers allowing it to arrest civilians and refer them to military courts, including through Presidential Decree 136 of 2014 (amended in 2021). Law 136 of 2014 stipulated that the armed forces may assist police agencies in securing public and vital facilities, including public roads, electricity stations, gas pipelines, and railroads. Crimes committed on the premises of these facilities fall under the jurisdiction of military courts. The new law, which replaces and annuls Law 136 of 2014, not only includes the same provision that allows the military to arrest civilians and try them before military courts, but it also has added another article that gives military personnel powers to “face acts and transgressions that undermine the work of the state’s public facilities, or the services it provides, especially crimes that harm the society’s basic needs of goods and commodities.”
The new law uses vague wording that ultimately gives discretion to the President, or whomever he delegates, to identify what constitutes basic societal needs, and therefore gives him unrestrained powers to [determine] the military’s jurisdiction to arrest civilians and refer them to military courts. Since 2014, thousands of civilians have been tried by military courts and denied due process, with at least 363 documented cases of violations to the right to fair trial.
[Cairo Institute for Human Rights Studies] believes that further consolidating military with policing and judicial powers, thereby putting the military on a collision course with popular discontent against economic and human rights policies, will only exacerbate the risk of instability. The only way out of the current crisis is to admit previous mistakes, end President Sisi’s monopoly over decision making, restore independence to state institutions, including accountability and oversight institutions, and open up of public space to allow citizen engagement in governance issues that impact their everyday lives.

Not much has changed since the time of Hosni Mubarak who became President of Egypt in 1981 (after Anwar Sadat’s assassination), declared a state of emergency and kept renewing that declaration every two or three years until his resignation in 2011. Subsequent governments in Cairo have revived the state of emergency again and again since then.
Emergency law in Egypt
The continuous state of emergency in Egypt also hinders and suppresses the development of grassroots community organisations that would not only assist Palestinian refugees but also provide aid to people in Gaza. Such organisations also have the potential to form rival political movements challenging the current political and military establishment in Cairo.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 21 2024 22:04 utc | 116

Librul @ 112:
Thank you for reprinting the opening paragraphs of the dreck article.
One can see it is garbage because it needed the efforts and talents of four reporters to overemphasise the details of the supposed complex nature of delivering aid, and to avoid stating the obvious: that Israel and the IDF could make delivering the aid much simpler and more direct.
It’s an elaborate form of lying by omission.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 21 2024 22:26 utc | 117

The 4 boys mercilessly chased down and killed via drone , reminiscent off the 4 boys playing soccer on the beach. Zionists I saw with a finkelstein interview attempted to paint the boys as enemy combatants as they had come out of a building Israel claimed as hamas . No one will defend this latest attack its isn’t possible. I dont need to post the video as it’s everywhere as the latest outrage. Just another sad war crime to add to overflowing list.

Posted by: Hankster | Mar 21 2024 23:25 utc | 118

107 and 114
Thanks for info about Egypt.
IT does seem as though Zionistan/Eretz Israel is a threat to Egypt.
Wouldn’t the Zionists eventually love to just take over control of the Suez Canal?
And in the meantime, push all of their problems on to the Egyptian govt and people?

Posted by: Jane | Mar 21 2024 23:37 utc | 119

There’s was a family were we lived simply refused to have a TV in the house
Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 17:58 utc | 82

There’s (sic) was (sic) a family were (sic) we lived simply refused to have a TV in the house.
Aaannndd this prat lectures us on financial matters !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Mar 21 2024 23:41 utc | 120

There’s was a family were we lived simply refused to have a TV in the house
Echo Chamber | Mar 21 2024 17:58 utc | 82
There’s (sic) was (sic) a family were (sic) we lived simply refused to have a TV in the house.
Aaannndd this prat lectures us on financial matters !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Mar 21 2024 23:41 utc | 118
Thank you, that was amusing. He needs a “who” in there too.
“There was a family where we lived who …”.
We have a TV, my wife likes the yoga shows, and I like my wife. I just can’t stand to watch it, and never do. Sixty years ago it was pointed out that TV is a vast wasteland, and like the internet it has not gotten any better with time.
Vive la France.
here

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 22 2024 0:24 utc | 121

I don’t read the Times because I believe it. I read it because it is important to understand how American’s world view is being shaped. I also attempt to bring some reality to the comments section. Many of my comments are censored. On numerous occasions I have pointed out that in the run up to the Russian SMO, OSCE monitors reported that Ukraine was dropping two thousand shells a day on Donetsk. I also point out that Petrov Poroshenko, Angela Merkle and Emmanuel Macron have each publicly acknowledged that when Ukraine signed the Minsk accords, it had no intention of carrying its’ terms. All three have acknowledged that Minsk was only intended to buy time until Ukraine’s military was strong enough to act. Minsk was a fraud perpetrated against Russia and the world community. Had Ukraine acted in good faith after signing the Minsk agreements, the conflict would not have taken place. These are facts that the American public is not permitted to know.

Posted by: David | Mar 22 2024 2:17 utc | 122

I don’t read the Times because I believe it. I read it because it is important to understand how American’s world view is being shaped. I also attempt to bring some reality to the comments section. Many of my comments are censored. On numerous occasions I have pointed out that in the run up to the Russian SMO, OSCE monitors reported that Ukraine was dropping two thousand shells a day on Donetsk. I also point out that Petrov Poroshenko, Angela Merkle and Emmanuel Macron have each publicly acknowledged that when Ukraine signed the Minsk accords, it had no intention of carrying its’ terms. All three have acknowledged that Minsk was only intended to buy time until Ukraine’s military was strong enough to act. Minsk was a fraud perpetrated against Russia and the world community. Had Ukraine acted in good faith after signing the Minsk agreements, the conflict would not have taken place. These are facts that the American public is not permitted to know.

Posted by: David | Mar 22 2024 2:17 utc | 123

Giving the New York Times to a human is like giving chocolate to a dog.

Posted by: Matthew | Mar 22 2024 3:13 utc | 124

The article ends with Dr. Schiffling saying
“The only solution to increase the amount of aid that enters and is distributed in Gaza is a cease-fire”
It just happens that the US is proposing a ceasefire resolution. What to make of that ?
Possibly, if Hamas does not release prisoners and if that is demanded in the resolution, then it will be held responsible (in western presentation) for the lack of ceasefire.
Yet Hamas so far seems to refuse to realease all without a fuller exchange from “Israel”, and I doubt the US resolution would demand that.
If Hamas more unilaterally releases all prisoners for a ceasefire it would be presented as a capitulation. In other words it would be portrayed as Hamas having brought on the destruction of Gaza for little, and “Israel” being able to justify its acts so far (so as to save its citizens).
I say “presented” and “portrayed” because that is very obviously not the whole story.
A counter position to this is that it makes obvious that US/”Israel” could call a ceasefire at any time, and Hamas would clearly accept that.
All sides know that a proper truce is hardly possible, and so the US ceasefire proposal might be read as accepting starving a population for the release of prisoners.
For US and “Israel” to play good cop bad cop is for western presentation, but they are sure to know that outside of that they are often viewed as working together.
Important will be to read how the proposed resolution is actually worded, and how various countries react to it, as achieving delivery of humanitarian aid is now widely presented as being above any other priority or responsibility. Where previously US changes to ceasefire resolution texts were not accepted and US exercised veto, with the new resolution it is the rest of the world that is having to ask for changes but who will be in a difficult position to vote against it if it seems anywhere near reasonable at all in terms of staving off a famine.

Posted by: Ornot | Mar 22 2024 4:05 utc | 125

Thanks, Giyane. I’m teaching that period at the moment. I go for Andrew Marvell’s “The Last Instructions to a Painter”:
Horse-leeches circling at the haem’rroid vein;
They suck the King, he them, they him again . . .
Pretty good portrait of US politics, except instead of the King you’d have to say the oligarchy.

Posted by: MFB | Mar 22 2024 5:43 utc | 126

Posted by: David | Mar 22 2024 2:17 utc | 120
These are facts that the American public is not permitted to know.
Facts denied to the American public as well as untrue, misleading or fraudulent assertions imposed on the American public by government, public or private means begs the question why did those who forced the 1st 10 amendments into the constitution not include therein, words that would have protected our governed society from the crime of information manipulation [IM]. Apparently it was not anticipated that a democratic society subjected to “information manipulation” could be engineered into a dictatorship?
What should that amendment have been? How should it have read? Maybe if it is properly drafted and made a campaign issue; someone in the “none of the above group” could get elected merely by pledging to get that amendment into the constitution? Could it be possible to get that same “information manipulation is a crime against humanity” amendment into the UN charter.. ?
Making information manipulation a crime against humanity and appointing and empowering a nation state independent court system to enforce “information completeness and purity” on our global society might find support from most of the people of the world?
Truthfulness, timeliness and completeness of Information available to those who are the governed has become a matter of life and death.

Posted by: snake | Mar 22 2024 5:56 utc | 127

Basil Fawlty (close enough) spends several years training with hezbollah to get caught at Texas border and tell the first usa officer he see he came to build a bomb and blow up Americans.
Comedy mossad that John Cleese is busy writing the episode
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/man-claiming-hezbollah-bomb-maker-stopped-texas-border-new-york-rcna143879&ved=2ahUKEwjZ6t-FnoeFAxVvkVYBHUONAT0QFnoECBcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw21eKc27JgzN1CxKa9-VpvE

Posted by: Hankster | Mar 22 2024 6:25 utc | 128

NYT readers are the least informed!
By other definitions , that means they are told all that they need to know.
Can’t have uncomfortable truths being disclosed.

Posted by: jpc | Mar 22 2024 7:17 utc | 129

The Grey Lady is assumed to give an air of respectability among the petit bourgeoisie (currently known as the “professional managerial class”). It is talismanic, an apotropaic object that abjures facts, people, and narratives that threatens a fall from grace of their current class status. They will gladly pay regularly and devote much time to it and other markers of loyalty to the status quo, such as staring at CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, BBC, etc. and believe such conditioning informative.
Like those who hold the Bible as they castigate others, but have never really read it (let alone understood it, its contexts, metaphor, allegories, symbolism, or its multiple authorial voices), yet will gladly hold it protectively as they regurgitate received learning in debate against evil-wrong-think… so too is the NYT a talisman to the willfully ignorant aspiring middle class as they regurgitate their rote conditioning to stay among the blessed materialist elect.
The threat of poverty is a scourge to whip the slaves into loving their master. In time the conditioning teaches the craven to love the whip and its whipping post, and welcome the order it brings to their world. You must repeat the lesson regularly, almost ritualistically, so as to be assured you are on the right side of history for selling away your dignity.
/cheep cheep!
/flies away

Posted by: titmouse | Mar 22 2024 8:11 utc | 130

Aaannndd this prat lectures us on financial matters !
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Mar 21 2024 23:41 utc | 118
Nope, I just tell the truth about financial matters. The truth is what is very important to me. It is ALL that matters to me.
Of course, You are free to debate with me any time you like.
Or putting it another way. When have I ever lied about financial matters on moon of Alabama or the Sakers site ?
Over to you. Back it up.
The truth is why we are all here after all.
Unless you are just another slug of course and the truth doesn’t matter to you and you are more than happy to just leave ideological slime everywhere you go. I guess I will soon find out the day you are prepared to stand and fight. Instead of your preferred choice of school yard name calling.
Using US instead of ME in your statement and name calling shows terrible GROUPTHINK behaviour. So I don’t have that much faith in you from the get go.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 22 2024 8:51 utc | 131

Posted by: snake | Mar 22 2024 5:56 utc | 125
Amen to that brother.
Why I spend most of my time trying to expose those facts. Alas, GROUPTHINK is very strong within the BORG.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Mar 22 2024 8:55 utc | 132

the NYT loves playing dumb
fyi,
https://twitter.com/AssalRad/status/1770662876233265297
Assal Rad @AssalRad
Oxfam: Israel is blocking aid to Gaza
International Rescue Committee: Israel is blocking aid
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights: Israel is restricting aid
UN Special Rapporteur on right to food: Israel is starving Gaza
NYT: Why isn’t aid getting to Gaza?

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 22 2024 9:40 utc | 133

Not much has changed since the time of Hosni Mubarak who became President of Egypt in 1981 (after Anwar Sadat’s assassination), declared a state of emergency and kept renewing that declaration every two or three years until his resignation in 2011. Subsequent governments in Cairo have revived the state of emergency again and again since then.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 21 2024 22:04 utc | 114
Egypt is a critical cog in the Israel-enabling machinery, even more so now since it has the only overland link to Gaza. There have been reports of the Sisi run martial-state (which has hotels with unpretentious names such as “The Armed Forces Hotel” near major resorts, even Kim Jung Un would blush) receiving an IMF bail out in lieu for opening Sinai to Palestinians when Israel finally does go through with its plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza.
The murmurs of ceasefire notwithstanding, that is what the situation seems to be evolving towards — the displacement of Gazans into Sinai, or perhaps their continued, sustained persecution in some manner or the other.
This presents with a rather interesting scenario as the Sinai is already rife with rebels who are definitely no friends of Zionists or Sisi. The Palestinians’ displacement would add new blood to their movement, and with Saudi Arabia’s NEOM and Jordan close by, each with natives who have their own particular set of unresolved grievances, the situation could develop into a wider conflagration that even Israel and its “rules based order” espousing enablers might find difficult, if not impossible to put down.

Posted by: Tranquilo | Mar 22 2024 9:59 utc | 134

when the US really want something they dont go through UNSC

Posted by: Minaa | Mar 22 2024 10:02 utc | 135

The answer to your question is simple: people will pay to have their preconceptions reinforced.
Or, put another way, they will pay to ensure that their rose-colored glasses can remain firmly in place.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 22 2024 11:05 utc | 137

“Re my post @8
Interview with congressman James Traficant in 2009. It’s short go watch it.
‘We’re controlling the expansionist policy of I****l, and everybody’s afraid to say it ..’
https://t.me/European_dissident/50104
ZioFascists own and control the media.
Rep/Dem , Indy/Green don’t matter what you think you support – you are complicit and guilty of genocide.
Not just in Gaza but everywhere that you have supported military actions by every dumb fuck since Nixon – who was probably the last honest man after ‘John’ got shot.
It’s probably why Tricky Dicky started recording his conversations without anyone knowing. And that’s probably why they had to threaten him with impeachment instead of shooting him too! Because he had them all on tape – especially when he told Kissinger to keep the ziobastards away from his Administration.
That’s when they got DeepThroat (FBI), CIA mockingbirds and the Grey Lady to put the knife into him through the setup watergate breakin and arrest – the Mossad crew Libby and co.
That’s the NYT and it’s dumbdumbs and any idiot who still believe their eyes as the sickozionazi ‘soldiers’ own selfies showing not just ‘war crimes’ – they are not in a war – but crimes against humanity. Just like every single potus has been committing since the 80’s. The worst being Clintons/Bush’s/Obamas and this current turd.”
Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 21 2024 12:57 utc | 23
Great post-I agree that Nixon was the last honest Prez despite his reputation as fashioned by WAPO and the Grey Lady..

Posted by: canuck | Mar 22 2024 11:22 utc | 138

Zeteo interview with Naledi Pandor – South African Foreign Minster:
https://zeteo.com/p/exclusive-south-african-fm-tells

Posted by: Menz | Mar 22 2024 11:28 utc | 139

There’s was a family were we lived simply refused to have a TV in the house
“Echo Chamberpot | Mar 21 2024 17:58 utc | 82
There’s (sic) was (sic) a family were (sic) we lived simply refused to have a TV in the house.
Aaannndd this prat lectures us on financial matters !”
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Mar 21 2024 23:41 utc | 118
‘Lecture’- is not the word I would use to describe Chamberpot’s posts, as it assumes the speaker is a teacher, a professor or some kind of expert- Chamberpot is none of those.
“Harangue” comes to mind as the word to describe Chamberpot’s ranting posts.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 22 2024 11:43 utc | 140

I imagine that all or most of you have already listened to this interview; but it is worth listening to it twice.
https://www.youtube.com/live/2EZg8mPatv4

Posted by: Simon | Mar 22 2024 11:43 utc | 141

Shielding the Nation Starving Gaza
March 20, 2024
The editors of The New York Times know exactly what they’re doing when they cover Israel’s deliberate starvation of Palestinian civilians as though it’s a weather report, writes Caitlin Johnstone.
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/03/20/shielding-the-nation-starving-gaza/
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Forgive if already posted. And this key concluding section from Patrick Lawrence earlier piece also in Consortium News:

As to Israel, I am with Primo Levi as Mishra quotes him. “The Jewish state” had already proven a mistake when he made his much-disputed remark in 1985.
The truth of it has since been demonstrated a hundred times over. Israel has proven a failed experiment, incapable of conducting itself as a legitimate nation-state.
But whose mistake is Israel? It was the West, Britain in the lead, that created Israel by caving to the Zionists at the expense of indigenous Palestinians. This is the reality of power that should weigh most heavily on our shoulders. Israel ‘R’ us.
Britain’s abandonment of the 1920 Mandate brings us to one of the deeper characteristics of our time, our postwar edifice. This is the ever more complete disregard of those in power for the principles, standards and broadly accepted ethics that give form and coherence to a stable civilization and keep its public space clean and well lit.
In our crumbling edifice, everything is done according to its value as an expedient to a desired outcome. This, too, is a kind of depravity. And it is this depravity that produces the depravity we watch as we watch Israel’s effort to destroy an entire people.

https://consortiumnews.com/2024/03/20/patrick-lawrence-authorized-atrocities/
“everything is done according to its value as an expedient to a desired outcome…”
This is key. Once we sacrifice values on the altar of desired outcomes we have lost the way as Western Civilization has assuredly done.
Somebody last century said of the West that ‘we are all Jews now’. This is profoundly accurate. It does not mean we share the ethno-religious identity or narrative-based grievance and victimhood derived from the HolyCause. Rather the transactional, atheistic, materialist modern mindset which values progress in terms of external measurable results not ethical fundamentals. This mentality, of which one could argue the Jews themselves are victims as much as anyone else, has not coincidentally been driving our modern world along with the rise of Western influence. (A materialist Faustian bargain indeed.) It accommodates depravity, genocide’, superstition, darkness, systematic mendacity and ultimately the compulsion to take elements fundamentally good and twist them into a perverse opposite in nature and spirit.
The value of hard work after years of learning skills in craftsmanship is sacrificed to debased mechanical imitations pushed by commercial bodies; bread, a nourishing staple for millennia is chemically altered from microbes in soil, to genetic information, to varietals (dwarfing to facilitate combine harvesters), glyphosated to prevent mold and natural fermentation which triggers sprouting making the grain both nourishing and digestible, mechanically mixed to reduce fermentation from twelve hours, which naturally elasticizes the gluten whilst making the dough nutritionally dense from the microbe populations, to ten minutes (time is money after all!) then risen without such’sourdough’ multi-microbial fermentation using single strain yeast which does not treat the flour only produces gas to make it rise, not to mention using ultra-refined white flour with additives sometimes months old.
In short(!) that which was healthy has become literally cancerous as the transactional, materialist, value free commercial notions of results-based profit have replaced old monarchies, feudal hierarchies and Church as ruling parts of a societal whole (why working class are often the most patriotic). There were issues, yes, but the replacement by this Jewish-materialist rule by mistaken mindset has proven far worse IMHO.
We are indeed all Jews now, victims not of an hyperbolized atrocity narrative used in show trials run by the victors to cover up their own atrocious war crimes, but of an ‘ends justifies the means’ materialist lowering of values across the board in all classes, or strata, of Western society.
Of course there are pockets of resistance in small and large ways, but the overall thrust is satanic, by which I mean the primacy of matter over spirit, the root downfall making Jews of us all, and again Jews themselves are as much victims of this fell wrong path as each of us, including many orientals and others world wide.
Ultimately, this is a global spiritual battle fought within each individual human heart, a place materialists insist has no existence or measurable relevance. How deeply, deeply wrong they/we are.
Meanwhile, as much as we might wish it otherwise, by furthering this modernist mindset, we are all complicit in what is happening each and every day in Gaza.
[Apologies for length; cannot easily edit whilst using cell phone]

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 22 2024 12:48 utc | 142

Engage in face-to-face conversation with a jewish person on the Israel topic, and see how long it takes for the “it’s complicated” to start coming out of their mouth. It doesn’t take long — every single time.
Posted by: Liam Wilson | Mar 22 2024 12:55 utc | 141
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I guess it is complicated to justify the war crime and human rights crime that is the Israeli state.
I too have encountered this.
I say:
No, it is not at all complicated.
It’s actually very simple.
Zionists coveted Palestinian land, and when they realized, in the early 1930s, that they couldn’t buy it all up (at that point they owned about 3% of Pal), they made detailed plans to steal it all, quickly and efficiently, and “cleanse” the Palestinians from the land and the cities. Which they did, violently and without compunction or compassion.
Ilan Pappe documents the planning that took place in The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, chap. 4.
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This “professional” planning process and conspiracy to commit a vast crime can, IMO, be compared to the planning that occurred prior to and following the Wannsee Conference in March 1942.

Posted by: Jane | Mar 22 2024 13:19 utc | 143

Who would pay to read the NYT? Well, I do. Not because I expect to find much in the way of facts, but because the choice of subjects, placement on the page, headline, and text all tell me something about how the US power structure wants the world to be viewed.
I used to read the Times for its news coverage, but that was a long time ago. Now I see it as the semi-official propaganda outlet of the corporate-industrial-political-military-information complex. You have to read between the lines, of course, to get any useful information out of it.
In the case of Gaza, the message I take away from the NYT is: “The US is trying very, very hard to alleviate the famine! But it’s all so complicated! And the trucks can’t get into Gaza! But we really, really care about the Palestinians!”
That’s all a pack of smooth lies, of course. But it helps distract the good-hearted readers from the utter brutality of what we are being forced to watch: the intentional starvation of some 2 million men, women, and children in a walled ghetto the size of Philadelphia. And the sadistic depravity of the Israelis who are carrying out this mass murder, and the criminal complicity of our own government.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Mar 22 2024 13:21 utc | 144

@100 Jane, what would you have the Egyptian’s do?
They accept – and have accepted since 1967 – that Israel is the occupying power in the Gaza Strip.
That has consequences: for one thing, it requires Egypt to acknowledge that “authority” over the Gaza Strip resides with the IDF.
So if the IDF insists that aid should not be allowed in via the Rafah crossing then Egypt has to acknowledge that the IDF possesses the authority to issue that order.
To DEFY that order is to challenge the IDF’s authority, and that means war between Israel and Egypt.
The Egyptians aren’t willing to go to war with Israel over the fate of Gaza, not when they (correctly, as a point of law) acknowledge that the fate of Gaza is Israel’s legal responsibility. Not Egypt’s.
Mind you, I don’t understand this unwillingness, since I think it is a no-brainer that the Egyptian army would wipe the floor with the gang of ill-disciplined thugs that is today’s IDF but, well, there you are. That’s Sisi’s decision to make, not mine.
But this needs always to be born in mind: Egypt is NOT a free-agent w.r.t. Gaza. It can’t decide willy-nilly what it will/won’t do for the people of Gaza.
Egypt has to do what Israel tells it to do. If it decides otherwise then that is a challenge to the IDF’s “authortity” over the Gaza Strip, and that means war between Israel and Egypt.
That’s not something to handwave away with a few smug comments about the Egyptian “street”.
It’s shootin’, and hollerin’ and killin’, and the blood that would be spilt would be Egyptian.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 22 2024 13:40 utc | 145

Jane 142
Re “Which they did, violently and without compunction or compassion.”
Further:
“The starting gun was the announcement by the British that they would be departing Palestine, in I think May 1947. It was all over in about a year. While still in-country British troops basically stood around and watched.”

Posted by: Jane | Mar 22 2024 13:44 utc | 146

That’s not something to handwave away with a few smug comments about the Egyptian “street”.
It’s shootin’, and hollerin’ and killin’, and the blood that would be spilt would be Egyptian.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 22 2024 13:40 utc | 147
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Sir:
I did not make smug comments nor did I “hand-wave.”
I thanked those who provided information and asked a few questions.

Posted by: Jane | Mar 22 2024 14:37 utc | 147

“New York Times Readers Are The Least Informed Ones”
With apologies to B, I think the headliner ought to read ‘New York Times Readers Are The Most Misinformed’ The NYT is not a news org. It is a government sponsored mouthpiece. Nothing more, nothing less. Certainly not news, however.

Posted by: rgl | Mar 22 2024 15:03 utc | 148

NYT runs the wall displays in Plato’s Cave of dying empire

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 22 2024 15:26 utc | 149

DunGroanin | Mar 21 2024 12:57 utc | 23
But “Are you anti-Semitic?”
First words outta her mouth. What an old and tired playbook. It’s all they got.

Posted by: Share | Mar 22 2024 15:32 utc | 150

“”New York Times Readers Are The Least Informed Ones”
With apologies to B, I think the headliner ought to read ‘New York Times Readers Are The Most Misinformed’ The NYT is not a news org. It is a government sponsored mouthpiece. Nothing more, nothing less. Certainly not news, however.”
Posted by: rgl | Mar 22 2024 15:03 utc | 150
From what I understand NYT gets its marching orders from the US State Dept. and WAPO gets theirs from the CIA.

Posted by: canuck | Mar 22 2024 15:39 utc | 151

Makes me think of the totalitarians that demanded payment from the wife for the bullet
used to execute her husband.
Posted by: librul | Mar 21 2024 12:22 utc | 18
Like the Palestinians being forced to pay thousands for expenses relating to their homes being bulldozed?

Posted by: cc | Mar 22 2024 15:54 utc | 152

Not sure which thread to put these on. One is about al Shifa Hospital, which is still being held and snipered by IDF in northern Gaza. I think this is from Middleeasteye. The other about large military drones flying over Rafah, southern Gaza. From Al Jazeera.
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Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, head of the World Health Organization, described the “utterly inhumane” conditions inside the Israeli-besieged al-Shifa Hospital in central Gaza.
The information was relayed by a physician trapped in the facility.
50 health workers and 143 patients have been kept in one building since the second day of the raid with extremely limited food, water and only one non-functional toilet.
Patients are in critical condition, many lying on the floor. Three patients are in need of intensive care. Two patients on life support died because of a lack of electricity.
No basic medical supplies, no dressings for wounds, and no medicine available.
Health workers, who are concerned about their own safety, have requested urgent patient referrals to other hospitals.
Fighting is ongoing in the vicinity of the hospital.
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2.
The drones have not stopped hovering near the vicinity of the Kuwaiti Hospital in the past few hours, along with other central areas of Rafah.
They have been circling to gather more intelligence information about possible targets expected to be hit within the coming hours.
We have also noticed the large size of these military drones as they fly at very low altitudes.
Residents are completely terrified and intimidated because they believe there is going to be an imminent attack, not knowing when and where it will take place.
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Posted by: teri | Mar 22 2024 22:42 utc | 153

Yeah, right
Dont forget that some Hamas guys might turn against the Egyptian army by solidarity with their jailed MB.
These guys are so bright i expect anything from them.
Egypt, like most of the globe, is and has been on the verge of starvation since before Oct. 7th because Russian boats are not allowed to carry as much food as before for a cheap price.

Posted by: Minaa | Mar 24 2024 11:29 utc | 154

The forced sale is only of the legal
Entity of TikTok that operates in the USA ( and preseumably also operates in U.S. vassal territories )

Posted by: Exile | Mar 24 2024 13:12 utc | 155

Now even David Cameron, foreign minister of the UK, admits that Israel is limiting aid arbitrarily and lying about access for aid.
Essentially that they are creating famine which means genocide:
https://youtu.be/6KW2xqDO7_g?si=n-BWTZWjSCw_V1_I

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 24 2024 16:39 utc | 156

Τhe United States of america is on the brink of a new civil war

Posted by: Πατριωτική Αριστερά | Mar 25 2024 15:46 utc | 157